The Uneducated PT Podcast - Ep 129 - She's In The Way ( Different Fallacies )

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

I bring Rob & Ger on to chat about different fallacies. 

You are ready. Okay. All right. Well, does I don't have any news before we start? Because I'm sure the listeners want to know that everyone's in a good place, Rob. In a good place, yeah. How's your dating life? Yeah.

No, no. It's all right. You aren't ready for that question, are you? No, no, no. I've been off to drink for almost two weeks. Congrats. I'll probably go back on it next again How do you feel?

Well man it doesn't really fucking hit me I just I find my face always looks different Like I don't blow it as much As the big thing I don't look as tired Do you not find

Do you find yourself more productive throughout the week Or it doesn't make a difference It doesn't make a difference Like I don't get hangovers So it's just you just get on with it It's mass Yeah

What about you Rob? What drink in? I haven't been drinking, if that helps. Do you feel fresh? I feel, uh, if, yeah. I'm not sleeping as much as I should be. Like, I'm going to bed quite late, but that's just soon. Why is that?

Just seeing family and friends and stuff, most. Socialising. Yeah, pretty much. Chair, I'm growing a mustache similar to yours. Oh, yeah? Yeah, everyone's e-part timers. Yeah, well, I've, so. I got my beard done today and I told them

just trim the beard but I want you to keep the tash so it's if you notice there's just a little bit more growth on the tash now than the beard but it's still just keep doing that and just trimming a little bit

and then we'll all have a we'll all have a twisty mustache for Bali yeah I'm gonna have a big I want to have a big like you know 70s tash going to bathe what is it um

oh there's some Domer what's your man's name the serial killer what's his name no it's not a Dau more mustache that's got to be like really creepy and big square like yeah that's what i want that's that's what i want yeah you know this this isn't a this isn't a creep mustache come back to my apartment

now i feel like i need to join in right i'll shave the rest of it off yeah i think you should as well i think you should as well anyway we'll get into some fallacies so this is what i wanted to talk to you about today i know you should you don't want to talk about your updates car there's anything happened in your life no i i stay in this see this room here yeah i'm in here 24 7 i never leave lives. I never live. Who's joined you in there recently? Just the milkman.

That's all. All right. We'll move on quickly. Very quickly. All right. Going on to fallacies. So I have 10 fallacies for you. And I want just to give some examples

from your daily lives. I think fallacies are really good because they make you understand. Well, for me anyway, when I started to learn about them, it made me understand, it made me see through people's arguments very quickly, or let's say they say like, you know, bold statements. Like if we were using like nutrition, for example,

it's very easy to spot a charlatan quicker when you understand fallacies. So this is why I'm going to, this is why I wanted to kind of go through these. So obviously the most obvious fallacy, both of you is Noah. Go ahead. Go on.

You know it. It's like literally the first thing you learn when you're when you're teaching nutrition. Oh, right. Nutrition, right? Okay. Behavior change around nutrition and exercise. What's the one thing people fall for when they start a new habit? The thing that's coming to my mind is no carbs, but that's just mainly in terms of...

Yeah, well, what would no carbs reflect? Like, you know, I can't have carbs. I can't go out. I can't have chimes. I need to train every day. What mindset does that represent? And all? An all?

All and all or nothing? Yes. So the all or nothing fallacy. So if I can't do it perfectly, it's not worth doing. Examples of this, if I can't go to the gym for an hour, there's no point in going at all. A diet example would be, you know, if I had one slice, I had a slice of pizza on the weekend,

I've ruined my diet. So now I might as well just eat. Now I might as well just continue to eat whatever I want without any consequences because, you know, I've already ruined everything. A productivity example would be like, oh, I didn't wake up at 5am today. Like I said, I was going to do.

So, you know, the day is wasted. I'll start again tomorrow. Or like a dating one would be, you know, the first day wasn't perfect. Oh, we must not be compatible. So do you have any... What do you think? Go ahead. Go on. Give me your thoughts. I don't fucking know if I agree with the first date one.

Okay, go ahead. Why not? Well, like, if you don't feel you're compatible on the first date, then you're probably might not. You're not lucky. What if you turn up, you're hung over, you desperately need a, am I like a sweat? Yeah, you desperately need a shit. Of course you have a little. You bet you would swear.

You've been on the last few podcasts. What do I represent to you? Jeez. Right. I just, yeah, if you turn up to that date, show up, yeah. If you turn up to that date, basically feeling physically underprepared for life, and you turn up feeling anxious or whatever,

you are going to project a pre-I suppose maybe then you're not dating. Well, is that not an all or not mindset? It's like, oh, you went on one day and you didn't feel like, that you weren't overly compatible. So then you kind of be like, oh, no, this person isn't for me when, you know, you could go to the second day or the third day, and they could be, like, you could find that you're actually

are really compatible to that person, but, like, you're based everything on first impressions. Like, it's like going to the gym for the first time. It's like, oh, went to the gym, didn't like it, not going again. It's like, well, you haven't really given it enough time, I think, I think that's,

I think that's a very black and white argument for it. Because, like, even it's why all or nothing is. Yeah, well, like, that's the fucking problem. Like, you know, like, I think, I think for like a first day, it's a little bit different to going to the gym. why why because going to the gym you're going to be fucking years doing it you can't decide for years if you're going to be compatible with a person you are you're going to be years going on dates and talking

to the same person and having conversation so can you but you'll know you will know earlier than that i don't know i think i think if you let all right put it this way so let's say at the same let's say you're in a relate let's say you're dating someone and the first sign of an argument then you're like oh this person isn't compatible to me i i'm going to leave is that Also not an all or nothing mindset around dating. That's a little bit different to going to a first day, not feeling any connection. Hmm. But how...

You've built up experiences you've gotten to know each other. Right. So by the, like, you might have a first argument by then. I agree. But do you think that you can build up a connection with a person that you don't know in a single hour? Like, do you feel that right, we have more of a connection because we've spent hours of having conversations and going to events together and kind of, you know, doing different. things versus maybe the first hour we ever spoke. The first hour we ever spoke was a fucking podcast.

Was it, yeah? Yeah, that was the first. I literally talked to you, I'd say text messages, and then I was straight on to a podcast, would you? Yeah, okay. To be fair, actually, I'm not sure who I'm arguing against or with here, but the first time I met you, Jha, I know we spoke on Instagram, but first time I met you,

I was hung over, I ran coffee, and I was anxious about getting to Carl's event. but we got on well regardless of those negative things that were going on for me kind of to get my argument earlier I feel like we got on relatively quickly that might just be me having been me. Well Davra that does that this credit's my argument? Yeah exactly it sounds like yours right.

Okay so here's that credit. Okay like if we let's just base it off like a fucking date nap, right? You've talked to this person in text messages but you don't really know them. It's curated. You have that first date a couple of hours. you know if there's a connection or not. That's the same as me picking up Rob on the side of the road after he was out until five in the morning

and me doing a podcast with you after just texting you. Okay, here's a question for you then. Here's a question for you then. Have you ever met someone for the first time and there was no like romantic connection with them? But the more you got to know them, the more you didn't think that you fancied this person but the more you got to know them

just in like a chilled, casual environment like maybe you hung out with the same group and stuff like that and then their personality started to shine true and then you're like oh I actually I actually fancy this person and I didn't think I did before because of their personality. Has that ever happened to you? No.

Jesus Christ. He just wanted them straight away. So you just know straight away whether someone's going to be the right person for you or not. No, I'm not saying I know someone's going to be the love of my life straight away but I know if I like feel connected to someone. Straight away, the first hour.

I think you can determine whether or not you definitely don't like them. So if they come up, if they turn up to the date and they're like, oh yeah, Hitler did a really good thing. Like you're probably going to go, I'm not sure if you're my kind of person. Yeah. Well, that's, come on. Like there are some things that it's like. I think it's more the nothing side of things.

You can go on a date and go, do you know what? No, we are not compatible. Yeah. I don't think you can definitely tell we are going to be compatible. But mine was the first day wasn't perfect must mean we're not compatible. So it wasn't that this woman said that, listen, I think Kitler was right in what he did. And then I can take all of your probably viewpoints or extreme viewpoints from probably that one statement. Like that's a little bit different than like, oh, you know, we were chatting.

And then it was grand, but like, I'm just not sure about this person. Yeah, I think if there's like a slight bit of uncertainty, if it kind of feels neutral, like there's no clear cut chemistry, whatever, sometimes that can be warped by what's going on around you and stuff. So I think it's usually worth, if you want to, it's worth meeting up a second time. That's the, that's the grey area that you should be in, isn't it? Like, it's like, you should be like, all right, well, I'm not really sure about this person, but I mean, how much can I tell off a first day? They're not supposed to be perfect the minute I meet them, or no one's going to be perfect anyway. So it's like,

oh maybe I should give this person a second date because you know um compatibility and connection all comes with time and effort and I'm not sure if any really like say for certain how to date because of look at where we all are but but at the same time I think what you're saying Carl there is probably like if it's kind of oh I don't know it's the great I usually feel like that is better than being like, oh, I'm super excited. I'm actually quite anxious, I'm nervous, I'm like, got all these buzzes going on around me.

I feel like that normally is a bit more of a negative sign than if it just feels quite relaxed and you're kind of going, oh, I'm not sure. You're kind of killing the fucking romantic in me there. Like, the butterflies man, the anxiety comes with it.

John, if you've met someone and you've had a good day, with them and then you're looking at the second date and you're like, I'm actually anxious about Wiesburg. That's also nice. I think, yeah, that is nice. So like, not just necessarily nonchalant. Not necessarily, but like if when you start thinking about that person, you get like anxiety sensations and things. If that's kind of like long term, like over the few months of dating them, I feel like that's a negative thing. Yeah, like I also get anxiety having to respond to people's messages that are just friends.

So like... That's just your ADHD coming in. Yeah, the way the brain approaches. This is why we're all very different in how we approach things. I like butterflies and romance. You guys are just like, no, we're going on seven days. I just don't reply or leave the house.

I go to complete opposite. You know, it's like, oh, sorry, you have to cancel. Something came up. And it's just me, he's just watching YouTube on the laptop. You should get that tattooed on you went over in fucking Bali. Sorry, I have to cancel. That's my avoiding behaviour

coming out in me, you know? Oh. All right, so we're not agreed, but at least we had good debate on that. Okay, fallacy number two. So the false cause fallacy. Because B happened after A, A must have caused B.

Can you give me an example or can you think of an example in your head? Do you want me to give you some examples first? Yeah, go on. Okay, so a fitness example would be, okay, I took this supplement and my lifts went up. Therefore, the supplements made me stronger, all right? Or a diet one would be, I stopped eating bread and I lost weight, so bread must make you fat. One that I drink green tea and then you lose weight, therefore green tea makes you live.

Yeah, yeah. There's a great one about, so it's cause a, correlation, not causation. And I think it was like ice cream sales go up in the summer as well as shark attacks. So therefore ice cream sales cause shark attacks. So if people are selling more ice cream, don't get in the sea. When in reality, it's just, it's the summer. So more people are in the sea and more people are also eating ice cream. It's not because you're more tasty. It's because yeah, exactly. It's not tasty yourself for the shark. I'll give you a summer. I'll give you a summer.

a work one as well so I started well this could be true actually so I didn't really know if I agreed with this one or not but I started journaling and I got to raise journaling made me more valuable it's a weird one that yeah because I feel like the journaling makes you

realize your values and therefore your value goes up yourself so there you project it and people see it there's a lot of there's a lot of factors that like if you start if you started journaling two weeks ago and you got a promotion to your job, it's probably not the fucking journaling.

Exactly. Yeah, you could have been getting up early, going to work early, you could be really productive in work, you could be a valuable member, you could be organized, you could have leadership qualities, but oh yes, I started journaling there

and now I got a promotion, so I'm going to get a... I think the link to feel like your values increase, that's the issue. It's correlated, it's like link in, the pay rise or the promotion with your actual value,

you need to... I'm valuable now because I journal rather than I am valuable. Isn't it like the whole idea of manifestation? John, like the difference between people saying manifestation works is I am manifesting winning the lotto. If I don't buy the fucking lot of ticket, I have no chance of winning it. It's the same idea as like,

I'm manifesting getting a promotion and work or reaching my fitness goals or anything like that. You can manifest that you fucking want it, but unless you do all the little steps along, it's never going to happen anyway. It's not going to just fall into it. And usually manifestation is like,

okay, I'm paying attention to this thing now, I'm conscious to this thing now. And what happens as a byproduct of that is now you're paying attention to or you're more aware of it. Your actions are probably more in line with the thing that you want now. It goes back to like,

um, cutting carbs for fat loss and how people say, when I cook carbs, I lose fat. I'm like, well, no, you stop overindulging in, the things that are highly caloric that you eat easily. You're not eating loads of donuts or making like six slices of toast sitting there eating it. You change your complete lifestyle when you give up the carbs.

You start walking more, exercising. It makes, it's all the factors stuck together. And she's giving up carbs, that's awful. And carbs before bed as well, like that. like not having them after 8 o'clock or whatever. I think there can be a correlation between it in terms of a very loose causation. If you have too many carbs, too much sugar before bed, disrupts your sleep potentially. You wake up knackard, you then for need more food and more fuel the day after.

Don't move around as much because you don't have as much energy. But it's not because you had carbs. It's because of what happened as a result of that. Yeah, I'm off my med, so I'm probably going to interrupt you quite a lot today. Fuck, the not eating after 7 o'clock thing, right? I actually love talking about that with clients because it stems from generations before having dinner at like 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock in the evening. And then after 7 o'clock, you don't go make chicken toasty or have a fucking salad. you go into the press, you have a cup of tea, grab a bun,

and you overindulgent those things because you probably eat in your dinner too early, probably haven't eaten too much throughout the day, and you're still starving afterwards. So that's where that whole, if I eat after 7 o'clock, I'll gain weight. Now, I know for some people, if they eat late at night, it does impact their sleep,

and that has the knock-on effect of that. I find the later I eat, the easier I find it to sleep. Well, also, you're not going to eat hyper-pollat, foods for breakfast. You're only eating them in the evening. So if you cut out that time frame of I'm not going to eat after 8 o'clock, you're probably cutting out all the hyper-palatable foods that are calorie-dense. Yeah.

And if that goes hand-in-hand with intermittent fasting, you're obviously going to lose weight. Yeah, I'm intimate. I'm not eating after seven. I'm losing weight. You're just eating. But it's not the fast and it's not, you know, the carbs per se, yes, they are correlation, but the actual causation is,

okay I've done this behavior now I'm consuming less calories therefore now I'm losing weight yeah and I was going to try and link it back to the all-en-off thing there again but um carry on cut that well you could if you want um what was another one so uh the false cause fallacy so oh here's a dating one for you so jerry you can see if you if you want to argue this one as well so we we texted every day for a week then she ghosted me I must have texted too much. Go on, Jay. I suppose

we don't know everything, so it depends. Was she texting you back? Were you over texting? Did you say something that she didn't like and rather trying to fucking work her way around at her top of where she just said,

nah, God. You don't know what the reason could be there. Like, could have been over texting. For her, it could be. Overall, doesn't necessarily mean you over texted. Overall, it could be, well, in that interaction,

she didn't text enough, you texted too much. Overall doesn't mean you are an over-texter or she's an under-texter. Isn't that, doesn't that go to like the right person won't see it as over-texting? Isn't that why it's not a false cause? Because if it's, if it's, oh, she's stopped texting them back

because I was texting too much could be a false cause because in a different person, it's like there's no such thing. Yeah, or you say that. something actually so is the real cause that already she just wasn't you just weren't meant to be together because she doesn't actually like that much

yeah yeah so like it's the cause isn't you text and do much the cause is user and you aren't compatible yeah but don't ghost yeah don't ghost don't ghost that shit and maybe don't text her 15 times a day

when she's not replying no but like don't just tell person. 4 a.m. Are you up? You've seen my text, but you haven't responded. I'm outside your garden. Yeah, well, then, Joe, there's the reason you got ghosted then.

Content of text. Like, if you're telling them you love them or you're telling them you want to, you know where they live or whatever it is, the content is obviously going to put them off. I'll be honest. I love an album. I'll tell anyone that I love them. And I don't care if you're a stranger. If you tell me that you love me, I'll be like,

thanks I appreciate that. That's different. Is he fishing for for an album right now? Well, if you want to give one, you can. It sounds like we all need a hug.

All right, well, we'll move on swiftly from that, but if anyone wants to text me and tell me that they love me, that's how I won't be, I won't take offense to that. The appeal to a charity, so it must be true because an expert or influencer said it.

Fitness examines. the shredded guy on TikTok says you shouldn't squats so squats must be bad uh diet example a celebrity said intermittent fast and cures everything so i'll i'll just fast um a work one my boss says burnout is just lazy he must be right um dating one that podcast said never text first so i won't uh we wish uh do i start with those wrong influences are always right just listen now I'm joking the appeal to charity one is kind of like I think it's something that everyone falls for in some

degree at some point I think when you get advice from parents generally speaking it comes from a position of positivity like they want to care for generally speaking they want to look after and statistically what they have to say does make sense, especially in your specific situation, if you're staying in the same location, etc.

That advice generally is quite helpful. Parents have done the research themselves. They've had tens of years more than you. It makes sense. But also at the same time, you are a completely different person. Like, go on, go for it. I don't know if I finish what I was saying, but you've got some of it.

I really hate the, I've been around longer than you. so what I say Joe has backing of years it could just be fucking years of being wrong true yeah I don't believe in the what I says goes because I am older like that's not right that's the

that's the appeal to charity isn't it right it's like I'm more experienced than you than therefore I'm right like if you percentage wise it might be true like I would say that my my dad's advice was probably more corrected than wrong

with things that he would say to me but I didn't listen anyway But that doesn't mean that he was right in everything that I pursued didn't go wrong. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And like, there are, there are some things, there are some things that like years on the planet, you know, are good advice, you know, like, there's, like, it depends what they're talking about. Like, you know, if you're getting advice from a parent on nutrition that knows nothing about nutrition, the whole being around for forever isn't exactly the winning of the, the, the winning of the air.

argument. I find them with the influencer one, it's normally like an insecurities and self-work thing. When you're looking at like celebrities that are promoting either a supplement or a specific diet, it's

well if I I look up to them or I like the way they look so don't, they must be right and I don't look like that so I obviously don't know what I'm doing. Yeah. And like it's also, the The parent example is actually really, really good. But then even when you get older, you might have certain, like, figures that you respect,

like the appeal to expertise, but then they try to go into a different domain. And it's like, well, just because they're correcting this area or this specific field, doesn't mean they're correcting everything. I'm thinking in my head an example would be I used to love, I used to love, like, Jordan Peterson stuff all on, like, young boys and men and psychology and stuff like that. and then he started going on about the carnivore diet and I was like, like, just because you're an expert in that particular field,

doesn't mean you're an expert in that particular field. But someone, but obviously because I have a nutrition background, I can call bullshit on something like that. But someone who might be a fan of a certain figure might take everything they say as gospel. Yeah. Yeah. That's happening quite a lot.

Yeah. Now, like, who's the other guy? Is he a neuroscientist? Oh, um, uh, uh, uh, Huberman. Yeah. He says some, like he says some wild things. Yeah,

but he took a while until he jumped over that side. It was, you know, becoming an authority. That's the problem when you want to be an expert in everything.

And you're diving into everything that you're going to get things wrong. And, yeah, I think he, in a lot of his research, he looks at kind of mechanisms rather than outcomes.

And I think a lot of people have, have called a lot of bullshit on stuff he says. That doesn't mean he's wrong on everything, but yeah, I think it's very easy then to just look at someone as a figurehead and take everything that they say is, but yeah, that must be right because I've heard him say things on other topics and that made sense, so this must make sense as well. Yeah, I think a lot of the time with social meets, like influences and things, I don't know much about Andrew Humberman and them lot, but a lot of the time people will promote what they know and they'll get a lot of positive response from it and they'll maybe

keep posting that stuff again or stuff to think to it and then they don't get as much from it and they're like oh what what can I now talk about oh this is popular I'm going to reach air this because it got a lot of a lot of likes like the guy that kept copying james smith with a load of his content oh yeah the ticotker and he like he literally copied word for word what he said and then i think james smith called him out on it and he kind of apologized but didn't apologize he was like, oh yeah, I did do that, but the reason I did it was because I didn't know what to say, so I'm still learning how to do

this social media thing. I was like, he didn't even apologise, he just basically, it was insane. Sorry, I got caught. Yeah, yeah. No, he goes like, he didn't even apologise for getting caught. He was like, oh, this is my reason for doing what I did.

I'm not sorry about it, but here's me owning up to me actually copying word for word. what you said. It was wild. Did you, do you know the video I'm talking about, Rob? I've definitely seen a video of him trying to. Yeah, a clip. I remember. I remember it. I can't, I can't, I don't think. How long ago was that? About a year, was it? A good while ago, it's continued to copy information or copy people's contents instead, I think. But I mean, like, it's worked for him. He has like

hundreds of thousands of followers across all social medias. And then I've also seen kind of people then seeing that he like everything's just everything's just people watering down other people's ideas anyway and then there's I think there's a video of him running with his top off and he's like I don't drink I don't smoke if that makes me a loser good

oh that's what that's him that's the same guy other people are actually copying his content of that and I'm like oh I don't care productivity bro like shut up like I think I've seen one I think I've seen one guy doing the opposite where he's running and he's drinking and smoking.

I can still do it all while having fun. Yeah. Yeah. He was very, he was funny. But like, that's a weird one, isn't it? The way, like, that became a really, a real trend for a while. Love, like, I'm all for people like improving their lifestyle, giving up alcohol if it's impacting their life, eating better, like training, celebrating that they're training,

like being proud of themselves for it. But a lot of it. comes into like it tips over into like narcissism where they're just like look at me look at how disciplined I am look at how in great shape I am you know and it's they're looking for validation online for their behaviors yeah so yeah no who gives a fuck what you're yeah yeah who gives the fuck like do you ever find no because like what you do that when you're out for dinner or you're at someone's house or you're out for a night out that someone will look at you and like, oh, well, I don't do this all the time.

Like, you know, I don't, I don't always drink like this or I don't in, I've had that now multiple times and I'm sitting there with like a full play or a pint or depending on how feck and ossified I used get. It was a cigarette. And I'm like, I'm not here judging you. I'm also sitting here drinking and eating and doing the exact same. I don't know why you feel uncomfortable about me being here when I'm doing the exact same thing. Yeah.

If anything, if you're enjoying it, why don't you do this more often? 100%. 100%. There was a real shift between like binge drinking culture to like the opposite and end of everything has to be, you know, productivity. And if, you know, if having a drink means that, you know, you're a little bit tired the next day, then that's morally wrong. And I don't think people, I don't think people became happier by, you know, doing a full kind of 180 as well. It's like maybe just go somewhere in the middle where like you still feel great. physically and your health is, you have good health markers but

you know also if you want to write out and have a drink. I think so. At one point someone said my page was turning more into like a Guinness appreciation page than it was anything else and I was like, no, I'm just showing you I'm having a drink. Yeah. I would also

I would also argue the the very much relationship with food and lifestyle side of social media as well I think sometimes that can also get kind of blown out of proportion as well it's like everything has to be oh look I'm I'm look at me I'm able to eat ultra-processed food oh look at me I'm able to go out for a drink as well and it's like sometimes you know like find the balance it's like well also it is actually unhealthy to

constantly be an ultra-processed food and maybe go out binge drinking every weekend and you know, I understand the rest and all that. I find with that, I find with that the people who are generally, like, I don't, when I'm putting it up, I'm literally just going, this is where I am right now and this is what I'm doing. It's not a, I can do this and I can stay this way kind of argument. And I find when people do that online, like, nine times out of ten, the ones that are promoting it or promoting it for their coaching and it's, I'm shredded all year round. and I can still do the shit that's holding you back.

You know, that kind of way. Rather than, like, for me, it's, what are you doing with your hands, Rob? You've turned off your camera. I've just pressed it up. For me, for me, I find it's coming from my eating disorder, my relationship with food, my relationship with substances.

That's why I put it up there. It's more of a, like, I'm trying to strike that balance that I don't make myself feel like shit after doing something that brings me a bit of joy. Yeah, I think you do it well. Like, you'll post a picture of you having a point, but you'll also a video of you running

even though you hate it or even though you're doing a train up session. Like, I try to do that as well. Like, I'll put up a picture of me having my salad, and I'll also put up a picture of me having my bikeway pizza. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's just food at the end of the day. But I don't try to force it.

Or even when I do put it up, I don't put it up with the intention of, oh, let me put up this salad so people know that I eat healthy. Or let me put up this picture of pizza so people know that I have a good relationship with food. It's just like, I'm eating a pizza, I'm eating a salad. I'm training. I'm lying in bed. Yeah. You know, it doesn't have to be more overcomplicated than that.

But I think people have their agenda that they want to show social media a certain side of them. Anyway, what else did we have? the podcast said never text first so I won't no is that an appeal to entirety or just good advice it's definitely not good advice not like if no text first then who

what conversation starts or like it's just playing a game yeah do you know like I've I've gotten a number a number before towards the end of a night out and is outside the front of the place and I just said to one I was like I'll give you a

call and as she was walking up the road I called her Is there It's fucking stop It's playing a game like you're trying to have tactics around talking to someone that you want to interact with it's like I won't text her first so I don't look desperate

I'm like if you want to talk to them talk to them Yeah is there a case where the appeal to authority is valid though like listening to experts on their or people in a charity on their advice or what they want.

Like if you go to the doctors and they say you go into this disease ridden place, you should probably take this vaccination. They'd probably have a bit of an idea what they're talking about. Some people would take the vaccination and they might go at the place and they might be all right. Yeah.

When the statistics kind of stack up, that support that person and you're there, oh yeah, you should do this. This is what you should be doing. Yeah. Well, isn't that the problem is that we, we're only human and we only have so much time in the day and we can't be experts in everything. So we have to just take for grace that some people like, okay, this, this person seems like an expert.

I'm going to, you know, take us advice for face value. And then the difficulty is when you take that advice off a, off a, off a, an authority figure and and they end up being a charlatan and that's like a real man I've loads I've loads of clients that have been told by doctors not to squat or deadlift

yeah well that's a perfect example it's like and nutrition advice can be brutal from dogs sometimes and I and every client that's come with that now squats and deadlift so when I was talking at the start of this conversation I said how to how to spot

whether someone's a charlatan or to, you know, crack holes in their, in their arguments. It's like, so if someone said to me, oh, you should, you should do X, Y and Z, and I'm like, I'm not really sure and he said, trust me, I'm a doctor. Straight away, my brain goes into fallacy mode, appeal to authority. Just because you're a doctor doesn't mean that you have the,

that doesn't mean that you're correcting what you're saying. But at the same time, like Rob said there, you know, a lot of the time you do, if the statistics hold up to what that person's saying, yeah, well, maybe you should take their advice on. Think if someone, if you find out after they've given you the advice that they're a doctor,

generally speaking, you're probably, ah, maybe I should listen to them. Yeah, but not, if you would have, yeah. You should trust me, I'm a doctor. I'm like, making me less likely. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, no, I don't want to follow your advice. Yeah, now you're going into Snake Oilman

says kind of, um, I do, I do find a gen. The whole doctor thing depends on the topic. Depends on the advice. It is the whole idea, stay in your lane. Like, I don't go into a doctor and tell you how to prescribe medicine,

even though I kind of know what I have to take for certain things. Although even then, sometimes some doctors don't have a bloody clue. Yeah. In terms of deadlift, let's talk about it.

So my mate has got a really bad back. He's had an operation. He's probably never going to listen to this. because he's yeah anyway he hides away he's told me whenever I post a video about deadlifting he's like you shouldn't be doing that

shouldn't be doing that it's bad for your back don't fuck off what is like I don't know enough about it like surely if you deadlift more if you do it right it strengthens up the bits of your body that are going to support you know lifts in the future which obviously makes sense

why is deadlifting such like a taboo exercise do you think because people at people associated with back problems. Like I, for me, like, I find my mom does the same thing when it comes to like the Zerker squats or deadlifts. She hates lifting heavy.

And I'm like, but you're not going to walk into the gym and do that weight. That's not what's going to happen. And I think we had a night with the lads and two of them had just recently tweaked their backs doing some of them were joke about being in our thirties. And I sniggered at one of the lads. And he was like, I don't know why you're laughing. you hurt your back there the other day and I was like, I slightly

tweaked my back lifting 200 kilos and it's almost better again. You sneezed on a toilet and put out your back. It's not the same fucking thing like. Well, what you said, Rob, I think in terms of why do people associate dead lifts with hurting your back is because most people

do hurt their back down deadlifts. But it doesn't mean that the deadlift is a dangerous exercise. It means that these people don't know how load management works. Yeah. I don't know how to deadlift. They did it wrong. There was an issue with their back and the deadlift is the thing that brought it out. Well, you've shit technique and now you've tried to lift too heavy and you've done your back in.

Yeah. Cool. That's exactly what I think is well. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like with someone it's the most important thing. And I'm by the way, I've done as a personal trainer, what I've given people too much load and not really understood the concept of over and, and they've hurt their back. I've tweets. I've tweaked my back. And that's my question. As a can we out and like no because I edit the

I can I edit this podcast so for insurance purposes we are cutting this clip oh no the little the sentence that you said before Carl

you're like as a personal trainer I've given people too much load before not not in a long long time you're not going to win that argument with that person yeah

it doesn't matter doesn't matter. Like I, I, my, my dad recovering from his hip surgery, my mom having to do exercises for her surgery, I've told them before,

well, you'll start with bodily weight. You might move to bands. You might move to weights. And to keep it progressing, you'll have to lift heavier. That doesn't mean we're going to try to ruin your life with the heaviest weight straight off the bat.

And he's got the, he's got the, I've done this and now have a bad back. Rob, you've just got, you've just led me into the next five. policy, confirmation bias. It's almost like a new.

Very good. So you only notice information that supports what you already believe, confirmation bias. So we've pretty much given the example there. It's like, I hurt my back doing deadlifts, so therefore deadlifts hurt your back. Hmm. I think, again, I'm going to like devil's advocate with this. Like, sometimes it is worth listening to those statistics. It's not always correct.

It's like if 90% of people hurt their back doing deadlifts and you don't need to do deadlifts in your day-to-day life, is it worth... I would argue you always need to do deadlifts in your day-to-day life because you're always picking things off the ground. Yeah. Yeah, no. Think about, think about the...

Do you know how people obviously, you should do a trap bar, the hex bar instead of doing normally... Outside of shopping bags or, you know, unless you're lifting two heavy buckets, you're normally picking up something in... front of you. Yeah, true, true. You need to put yourself into that compromising shit position with an equal level weight. So when you pick up something stupid and awkward, that's not the thing that'll put out your back.

Yeah, and I think people associate deadlift with a big heavy barbell lifting 200 kilos, like you said, Jerr. But like it could be, like you have a client coming in who's 60 years old. You're just getting her to pick a kettlebell up off the ground. That's really like that. My client day the other day, I put up a reel on it. she couldn't use the barbell at the start. I think the heaviest we'd gotten at the start was a 16 kilo kettlebell.

She's now 35 kilos on a barbell with more in the tank. And it's the idea that like, she would have been under the impression that she shouldn't be lifting this type of weight in this way. Most people watching. Now, the great thing I have about her,

doing it. She's a little bit older. It's the fact that other people see it and it's like, well, you can do it. You can't. Yeah. Like you can do it like it's like she's three months. She's gone from not being able to do 20 kilos on a kettlebell to almost double on a fucking barbell like. Do you want a date in confirmation bias? Yeah, why not? So, uh, I knew all men were cheaters and because when I went on that date with someone they, uh, or when I started seeing this lad he cheated on me. Well, well, it's a generalisation, isn't it?

Yeah, but it confirms what she already believed as well that all men are scums and yeah, I got with this. Ugh, men! I think, I think in that thing again, statistics,

what am I trying to get out without? No, go on, go on. So like, a woman, that or a man or a person, We're talking about women here. It's called she's in the way. We're demonising women here. If you date people within certain parameters,

you probably statistically, and those that you've dated previously have cheated on you, they've had certain behaviours that you've liked, and there's maybe later down the line, they've cheated on you. If you notice those behaviours in another person, and you're like, oh, I like this person because they've got similar personality traits

to this other person, they do this like this other person did this is what I'm attracted to chances are they have similar personality traits like I can't think of the words but like Are you basically trying to say that this woman picks bad men

Effectively yeah But like that's the thing She's attracted to potentially It doesn't mean those men should be doing it That's not saying again Just a disclaimer there And it doesn't mean that every

guy that has those personality traits will do what she said they will, but she's choosing potentially from the pool of men that are the most likely to. There's a few, I think it was Naval, I was listening to a podcast after you'd mentioned him, Carl. And I think he was talking about how, I can't remember what words he used, but how much the person wants to explore life in general, the higher that kind of inquisition or whatever the word is, curiously, curiosity factor is, the more likely that person is to cheat because they're going to be more likely to be interested in finding out more about something else. It has to be kind of alongside the personality traits as well, I think. But if you're constantly picking people that are

like hyperactive, going out, exploring, interested in finding new stuff out, there's a greater risk factor. There's greater exposure and greater risk of them getting bored, I guess. Yeah. I agree. I agree. This, that reminds me of, so let's, that, do you know, do you understand hypergamy? No, I know what a hyperbole is, but I don't know. Hypergamy.

No. So it's basically like, it's like, it's like marrying up. Or, you know, if you're looking for a partner, you're looking for someone. So for, for women, they tend to want someone taller than them. And they tend to want someone who makes more money than them. because obviously that means security and safety and all them things, right? And obviously in today's society,

women are basically outdoing men in terms of education and in terms of finance. So they end up going to college more, they end up getting better degrees, they end up getting better jobs, they end up making more money than men. All the statistics show this basically. And so therefore,

women have a smaller pool of men to choose from because of this factor. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, for women have a smaller pool. Yeah, more successful women, which there's more successful women now in like the 1970s like then under and men are

declining in terms of money that they're making and stuff like that as well. And so there, there is a small pool of men who would be like, you know, let's say they're six two and they're also well educated they get paid more so these let's say five percent of men who are really like um you know really successful versus the rest of men who you know aren't maybe not be as successful like let's think of you know people who um they might have struggle learning they struggle to get a job and you know they might be in their parents basement

playing xbox all the time because they don't know what else to do with their guys and like that's a that's a large pool of actually men in today's society so these women then only have this small pool of men to choose from this like 5% whereas this 5% has like 80% of the pool to choose from all right now what do you think that does for men in that you know small that that small percentage of men who have a huge amount of options to choose from it's it's more they're more likely to let's say sleep around would you would would that be a fair assessment? Yeah, well, they'll always think they can trade up.

Yeah, yeah. So if you're, let's say, the 80% of women looking for that, like, 5% of men, all right? And you're going with these men and these men are then cheating on you. You will then say confirmation bias. All men are cheaters. All men are scumbags. But you're not really thinking about the 80% of men who are at home and their parents' basement playing Xbox because, you know, they can't get a date and they can't get a job.

You probably be cheating on if you were going out with them, potentially. What do you mean? So, like, the men above that have choices, you're dating up to them, and they're cheating on you. If you chose to flip that and start dating the people that earn less than you and things like that, you also see that you've got a greater pool to choose from as a woman. Yeah. If you're dating one of those, you might go, well, he's actually not that good because he's below me.

I'm a person that's slightly higher or double here there and everything. Well, I don't, I don't think it's in women's nature to cheat as much as men anyway. I think, I think, like, I'm sure there's research to back that up, but I wouldn't know any of it. But like, yeah, so like, I think that creates a confirmation bias that, like, oh, there's no good men because the few men that I have been with, aka the few men that I'm attracted to because they earn more, they're taller. they have turned out to be scumbags. When the, like, the, the reason why those stats are high then is because you're picking, you're picking a partner just based on height and financial status. Well, that's hypergamy.

I know, I know. Women can't change their biological drive to be with a man. Like, these are things that show off that this person can look after me. This person can make me safe. and gentlemen, that's really important to a woman, especially as she wants to have children. Now, I'm not saying that, like, that should be the only thing that, like, people should assess, obviously, as a shorter male. I would... Sharks.

Yeah, you know, I would prefer that not to be the case. And obviously, that, like, there's other ways to show your, uh, capabilities as a man, your, your personality traits and stuff like that as well. but like if we're talking if we're not talking about the individual but we're talking about you know large data pills that's what it shows we're tall in personality

yeah exactly I'm tall and at heart I'm six foot four and I think we were did we go through the stats when we were doing the like the Tinder and and

dating apps like men swipe right on 60 to 70 of women women then the swipe right on 5 to 15% of men. Yeah. So there's the disparity right there. I think someone sent me

I think it was Anna Harris sent me a reel today about, was it Jimmy Carr talking about men versus women on one night stands and how men will lower their standard to anything like, you know if she's got three teeth and you don't want to look at her in the morning, they'll still do it

if there's a chance they'll get something. And then women will raise their standards. for a one-night stand in general term stats and i was like i suppose stats-wise it's probably true it just depends it does depend on the person then as well which then goes i can't argue that yeah can argue against stats by the way sorry go ahead go ahead rob if you're a woman with three teeth then you've got a good reason for it that's not necessarily addiction or whatever and you're feeling insecure about it's perfectly fine you've got three teeth i'm sure you i'm just relaying the video

thanks for throwing me into that Dick. It was just, it was for the person listening that's got three teeth. That was all, not against you. I'll ask you the question. Why do you think men tend to, I would say, lower their standards or like are more open to more options, whereas women are more

I don't know if picky is the word, but I can't think of a better word, picky with their, who they choose to partner with. I might be wrong. I don't know whether it's that guys lower standards. I feel like we've got low standards because biologically we want to reproduce with whatever will allow us to. I think it's more that we up our standards in like when we're properly conscious of the decisions that we make. I think we up our standards partway through the year.

Like, yeah, whether you're looking for a genuine date or whatever, you might go, oh, I actually would love this and you take yourself out of your general mindset. You like that. want this, I want this, you up your standards. And then you go, I'm not managing to reach that. I'm just going to go back to my norm of anything goes. I think someone was talking about, like, the term getting lucky is for men. So the way we look at it, like, you're getting lucky. It's a, for lads, it's a big deal if you manage to pull a woman or get a date.

Yeah. No, like it's like most men are feck and terrified to grow up to a group of women. Yeah. Well, for the men that aren't afraid to sleep around versus women, do you want to know the evolutionary kind of reasoning behind this? No. Well, I'm going to tell you anyway, so you might as well. So historically before reliable contraception and modern norms,

the biological consequences of sex was drastically different for each. sex. So for women, sex could be in pregnancy, a social judgment and economic vulnerability. But for men, sex generally carried fewer consequences. So no pregnancy, less stigma, and fewer social penalties. Make sense. Yeah. Doesn't I? Yeah. So we don't have to be as conscious of our decisions that we make, basically. We should be, but we don't have to be because we're not kind of biologically attached to the outcome. Yeah. Yeah.

So we've basically lower risk of having sex with a female versus their risk is, well, was a lot higher until contraception. Yeah. Now they're all like body blue. Did you watch, Rob, you know I love Louise Perry, don't you? Yes. Have you been following our content at all? I haven't. Did she interview it? She did a debate against Bonnie Blue, which is very fascinating.

You'd really enjoyed, I think. I love to listen. It's like the complete two opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of like a very, you know, conservative old-fashioned values and like someone who's done a lot of work in kind of rape crisis centres and stuff like that versus Bonnie Blue is obviously the other side of the spectrum who is all about you know it's feminine empowerment

that I can sleep with as many men as I want and also make money off it and also get status off it and you know there's no consequences I've only seen a few clips but I'm surprised at how articulate Bonnie Blue actually

yeah agreed agreed like because when you hear and it kind of goes back to what we were just saying before about the social societal sticker that you put on someone like, you hear that she's wanting to sleep with a thousand or more people in a day and you go, there's not a lot going on up there. But you, yeah, she has had to go through, like, she's had to think a lot of it through, hasn't she? She's capable. Like, she's, she's not, I don't think she's like extremely intelligent, but she's definitely

not an idiot. She's not a bimbo. No, she's not just going, ah, dick, give it to me. Well, she is. Technically she was. She definitely is. Yeah. She was... I think she got a bus and she was like traveling down through the universities trying to like sleep with as many like college boys as possible. And she get kicked out at Oz?

I don't know. I think so. Yeah. She was in that Trinity in Dublin recently, I think. Yeah. I think she got kicked in. I think yeah. That's that's why Carrie's inside the city.

I would like that to be honest. Like I did I. I like. I don't I wouldn't like the I don't like the past judgment on people right but I I think as a man if like that's what you're resorting to to have sex I think like oh come on now you know yeah you don't want one of a thousand you can make the joke you can make the joke about sloppy seconds but what about the thousands person like come on you know what I mean that's that's I think that's like that's also probably like I

as much as like there's a societal issue in terms of of her doing that also like of the lads being like like have a bit of self respect for yourself as well I think I suppose it depends it depends it depends on your mentality like it's kind of like um uh strip clubs and like lads going on holidays of the dam and stuff and paying paying for prostitutes and things like it all depends on the way you look at that look at that stuff yeah like your pain you're paying for fake, like being one of a thousand. Yeah. Do you know, that's whether like being number

one there isn't fucking great either. Yeah. Isn't it the case then, like, lads don't really think about their bodies in a like protective, like respecting themselves that much. There's a question, isn't there? Like, for one of a better word, the woman is being penetrated.

Someone's entering that person. So there's more to protect, isn't there? Yeah. Where you're, yeah. there's also a psychological damage for a lad like if he just wants if he just sleeps with

anyone and anyone and doesn't really think of the emotional consequences there you're also using your body as well you're being used it's quality over quantity over quantity yeah

no we're not saying that like like John like most not every lad can go out and sleep with a woman every night they wanted to happen. But like, just sleeping with anyone, it's not a giant, it's not a giant achievement. But I would imagine why Bonnie Blue is so successful as well

or why there's such a big hype about it is that there is a lot of 20-year-old lads who are, like they're called the sexless generation for a reason. Most of them aren't actually having sex. And it ties back to what we actually spoke about that. You know, a lot of boys are underperforming in life as well and they're probably not, you know. But COVID, COVID as well, man.

Like, you know, like, lads grown up at 17, 18, not being in social circles, getting thrown into the depths of college. And, like, so then if you had, if you didn't then, like, heard that, oh, this girl is coming into town and she's letting 20-year-olds have sex with her, it's like maybe as a 20-year-old boy

who, you know, doesn't know, any better and that hasn't really had any luck in the dating market or no one's paid any attention to that person like yeah probably he is going to be like oh well this is a chance to sleep with you even if I am

number 958 I think if any not any but if the majority of 20 year old guys were at uni where there's a lot of like exploring and things going on and you heard of this attractive woman come into the place to sleep with anyone.

Most people would at least think about what that might be like. Yeah. I think that's this generation though. Like, there's times where I've been around and it makes me feel old when you see younger people now and I'm like, you know how like older generations of us would have said we're very stupid. I do actually think it's getting worse. Like, do you think 15 years ago you would be in a line of 1,000 to sleep at one

woman. Well, I have to say when I was 20 and I was over in Spain, I did sleep with women who I did feel, I did need to have a cold shower after. So I can't say that I had massive standards or on. Yeah, I was a dumb 20 year old as well. Put it that. We're not, we're not where we're comparing you lowering your standards to you getting in a line of 1,000 people. Yeah. You basically. It's it's it's, it's, I that's why I'm saying. I don't want to judge 20 year olds because 20 year olds are 20 year olds and you, there's also social. pressure probably applied to that as well. It's like, oh my God, Bonnie Blue's coming to town. Come on, like, and then you're like, oh, well, okay, even though you don't really know if you want her or not. And then I'll, sorry, go ahead, Rob. No, it depends who you associate with, basically, like you're saying, like if you've got guys around you going, come on, let's do it.

You're going to feel more pressure to do it, especially if you've kind of just met them, they're like the alpha of the group for want of a better phrase. But if you're around people that are like nerding it up in the library and going, Oh, have you heard about that? Oh, yeah. Nah, not for me. Like, you might have thought about it and gone,

oh, she's attractive, maybe. But because the people around you are kind of like bringing you back down to earth, you're less likely to do that. Does that make sense? Are you saying that nerds don't like having sex, Rob? I was, I don't know about that. You're less like...

I think you're right. I think you're right. You're less likely to consider the morals of it and the outcomes, I think. Yeah. Anyway, how did we get on to that point together? I think we were talking about, I don't know, a straw van, bandwagon?

Oh, not, it follows onto the bandwagon fallacy. The bandwagon fallacy, everyone's doing it, so it must be right. Perfect example. All right, we'll leave it there then because we're over the hour, but we let on to the bandwagon fallacy. We got there anyway.

Yeah, we got there anyway. Everyone understands what we're speaking about. All right, lads, it's been a pleasure, as always. Enjoy the rest of your week, and I will see us next week. All right. Bye.