The Uneducated PT Podcast - Ep. 156 Robs running away again

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Robs moving again Connection in a new city Ai bots 

I'm just going to ask Carla question now. Finish what you're going to say. I didn't want to commit to living here. I said I'd never settle in Adair. And now there's free options for going to the gym, me, two other gyms, and I'm willing. Just to give some context to the listeners, Rob is afraid of a commitment.

And that's why he is, struggling to find connection in his little village. And he thinks that go into a bigger city will provide that. But my counter argument would be there is plenty of lonely people in big cities. Why do you think that is, Robert? Because people like me will go to them with the mindset that being in a different location is going to fix their problem. Yes.

Do you ever, did you ever hear the saying your problems will follow you wherever you go because you will also be there? Yeah. I don't think self-awareness is the problem. I think you're very aware of what's going on. I'm just, I'm finding that people find out my problems in certain locations and then I try and relocate so that people don't know them. Because you said when you came back from New Zealand that you wanted to settle down and,

you know, build a bit of a community, go work somewhere, you know, have a bit of connection, see people on a regular basis. But I think that for you to do that, you have to commit. to somewhere and commit to a routine and commit to building. You're only going to build relationships through frequency of interactions.

That is what's going to happen when I relocate. Awesome. The next place it will happen but it can't happen in this place. So once you move to Bristol in three months after moving to Bristol we can't hear you're leaving again. Do you know that Noah Khan has a song about this, not to bring Noah Khan into it?

But he does have a song about this. He got, and the lyrics go something like, your new friends seem a lot like your old friends, something about you're just an asshole in the new city. Thank you. Not that you're an asshole, Rob, but I just mean. I think so. He's just having a pop of people who move cities and move.

and move locations because they feel like it's going to solve the I now there is a agree of truth on that because I do believe that if you've lived in your hometown your whole life and you haven't experienced anything else or it like it builds resilience and experience of a new place and you know you have all these opportunities of meeting new people especially if you come from like a small town where everyone kind of um you know has has the same way of looking at life. So I think there is obviously merit to moving away and stuff like that. But at the same time,

if you're always going to looking for the new place in order to find yourself, that can become an issue too, can't it? This isn't really going to support me too much, but I don't actually live. This village that I'm in now isn't where I grew up. Like, we've only been here for like a year or two. And part of that has been me being in New Zealand. So there isn't, you guys grew up where you're working now, right?

Or not? Or you've been there for a long period of time. Yes, yes, to a degree. So part of what I wanted to do was go up to Newcastle because that is where my roots are. That's where a lot of my really good friends are. I've already got connections to work up there. The main reason, so I was going to relocate to that, to there. But the main reason for choosing Bristol for now.

is because it's so much close to a family, it's quite central to everyone that I would want to get to see around it. But also there's more work opportunities as long as I find them and make the commitment to get them. What's her name? No, come on now. Okay, well, that does sound like a reasonable idea, but why haven't you done that already

if you know that's the right decision to make? I don't know that it's the right decision to make. and I think I've been putting it off because I didn't know for certain but now I've realised I don't need to know for certain and I've also part of my hesitation for committing to the places was I was going to go to New Zealand and I was going to... Ah yes, yeah, another move away from your problems. And Monaco.

No, I'm thinking Stockholm, I think we're going to a few different places. Oslo, it was Oslo. Oslo, sorry. See, I definitely have problems, but I'm very aware that my... Most of those are in my head and that they're going to follow me around. I don't have any, I think a lot of people, and I'm not going to target, put everyone in a box here, but a lot of people that move to places like New Zealand, Australia, Bali, whatever,

tend to be not content with the situation they've got around them at home, and they will then try and relocate to separate from that. You can just say running away. there is an element of that for a lot of people Yeah, some people are running away I'm lucky that I'm not in that camp because I don't have anything

that I'm running away from I'm very happy with most of the people that I have in this country Well, you're running away from settling somewhere No, I'm not, I'm running towards that now Are you now? We'll see. When are you moving?

It doesn't sound like you're saying to yourself that, well, I'm not. going to go to Bristol and I'm going to, you know, stay there now for the next 10, 10 years, 15 years. That's because I haven't said that yet. Yes. No, I, so, do you know to answer your question? Within the next couple of months is the intention of the move. After this podcast is sending a message, email to gyms up there to suggest what I want to, what job,

or just ask them if they've got like the gym floor work and PT opportunities as well as the youth kind of development classes that I'd quite... Can I ask a question? I mean, you're going to, aren't you? Yeah. Why are you asking? So my question is this, right? So this is an interesting one because it's

kind of built around connection and community. And this is not what our conversation is supposed to be about today, but we're already down this rub a hole. So we're going to continue. We're going to continue to digress. So if you're like, let's say there's lots of people in the world right now who feel like they don't have community, they don't have connection, they feel quite lonely, they feel quite isolated.

What do you think if someone's in that position right now, let's say it's a 22 year old boy man, whatever you're going to call them, who feels like that they aren't getting enough out of where they're living or their life? What are five things that they could do in order to feel more connected to a place, a people or just connection? in general do you think? I think one thing that is a very good way to start it without actually making a huge amount of progress but it kind of triggers it a little bit,

walk around a bit. Make eye contact with strangers, say hello, go to a cafe, have a conversation, share what you are looking for with different people. Like have conversations with people in the local area. Join a club.

Yeah. join a club join a team join some sort of club why if you're not aware of an interest that you've got what what team would you go for what job

I know that makes a little bit harder if you don't have a specific hobby that you can find somewhere else but like walking around and making eye contact to people isn't easy for people either you creep yes

why are you staring at me in the park so you know like going to the gym people say get dressed for the gym That is the first part of it. Getting to the gym and actually signing up for the membership is another big part of it. Getting on the treadmill walking for a bit is a big part of it.

Go home. You've succeeded. If you're feeling lonely and you're kind of isolating yourself to your room or your home, getting out and walking around is removing that first barrier. It's not going to necessarily get you your community, but it's making it more likely. I agree. I agree. I think walking can solve a lot, a host of issues.

It's better to be walking around the streets if it's safe to do so. Or the feels than it is to be kind of sitting at home, isolating yourself in your bedroom. So I do agree with that. On the topic of if you don't know what you're, this is my hot take, okay, because I love answering this question. Because I've got it a lot as well. It's like, oh, join a team, join a club, do a hobby. and then someone will say that, oh well, I don't like sports or I don't have any hobbies. My answer to that was you haven't tried enough things.

Because how boring are you if you, the world is so vast and there's so many things to do. So how boring are you that you haven't, that you can't think of one single thing to do that you would enjoy? That's not true. There's too much things in the world to not have something that's going to interest you. But you haven't, you haven't tried enough things, and that is why you think that you have no hobbies. That's my hot. I think, was it, Oshin said something at the event in Birmingham a couple of weeks ago. It was related towards exercise that, you know, I don't have an exercise I like.

And he was like, well, have you gone outside and tried getting on a pogo stick? It's the idea, like, you haven't tried everything. Because, like, when we say join a club or something like that, everyone automatically goes, well, I don't like sports. You can go look on there's normally local community boards even for cities where there's free classes for something you can try

don't most of them are subsidised so you can go in do a feckin art class do something you might just meet some really What? A pottery class Yeah Yeah you can have what's that This girl

Sorry? Is that what you're doing after this? Is it? You seem really I would love to do a pottery class I've never tried pottery before but I think I'd be really good at it because I'm really good. No, I'm not going to say. I'm really good with my hands.

I am good with my little small hands. Spend a lot of time on my own using my hands. Just don't go walking around, make that. I got that with people saying. I was going to say, I'm a lot of experience with touching myself. I should really, I shouldn't say that on the podcast. Yeah, but you did. Well, yeah, I'll just say,

out load anyway. Yeah. But do you know what you know what you could a pottery class you could try like drama you could you know join a choir you could you know I don't know like there's there's thousand things that you haven't done before that you could try. I'd love to go salsa dancing I want salsa dancing. Salsa dancing is great as well it's really quite an inclusive community like possibly too much in some ways but it's it is generally quite a well yeah I think salsa would be great but there's not that many I don't think there's that many good well actually I'm I'm probably incorrect about that I'm gonna say there's probably not that many

good salsa dancing blobs in Ireland but I know there is actually one or two there's loads of salsa potato all that stuff yeah yeah so anyway as well if you're not yeah go ahead Rob sorry I think there's a bit of a delay with my thing um if you're just to bring it to running jazz favorite thing. If, like, even just a park run, even if you don't sign up for park run,

go along to a park that you know a park run is being run in and just walk around while other people are doing that run, see different faces, you maybe step aside to let someone pass, they say thank you, you feel part of that community, and you're socialising

a bit more, and then maybe sign up for park run afterwards, just walk around. A lot of your ideas are watching people from a distance in text. Sometimes that's the way it started. People watching is great, but I 100% are great. And also, when you do something random and like, I love when people are like really passionate about something like random, something that's like, oh, I'd never think of doing that. And like, it makes you more interesting.

And then on the back of being more interesting, you know, you'll probably end up finding people who want to, like, you know, hang around with you. like there's nothing worse than being around someone who has no interests i'm sorry i'm sorry for being mean but you're probably boring and you should probably figure out how to have a life and then off the back of that you'll probably make loads of connections i feel targeted sorry rob you have interest i do but i also don't think i allow myself to be aware of what they are so i do feel like that person sometimes where i'm just like if someone asked me what my husband are, I really struggle to answer that because I don't class, I wouldn't normally class reading or baking or whatever in my head as a hobby, but actually... It's such a hobby.

It is, yeah. So I've just not valued things in my life enough at times. I think also, think back to what you enjoyed as a kid. Like if you had different hobbies as a kid, if you were into something like Pokemon or reading Harry Potter or... Thinking in Bush's. Call of Duty or what? drinking in bushes drinking in bushes you enjoy socialising in that regard

so maybe try and go to a festival find a local event that's like a weekend social event like that and just tag along I'd like I'd like to see Rob in some sort of like a pub slash library

wondered where that was going there with a glass of brandy and speaking to other people about psychology and philosophy that's what I'd like to see I'd enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah.

Sharing ideas and maybe wearing a tweed jacket. With the leather patchy. Yeah, elbow patches. Yeah, that would be brilliant. Maybe smoking a cigar or a pipe. A pipe. Yeah, pipe. Yeah, pipe.

Got to be a pipe. That would be pretty good. I'd probably do that, yeah. You can get a bubble one, it'll be fine. That's only two things for building connection. So one was get out of your house. and get into your body so get around walking

because obviously that's going to help second one was to find a hobby and we've established that if you don't have any hobbies it's because you're being boring and you need to go and venture out and try a little bit harder. Okay, what else?

Dog sitting. Man, like you can go find you can, you're laughing man but you will meet people if you have a dog going around. That's an easy way to meet people. The dog does most of the work. And you have you,

I think, I don't know if we have it over here, Carl, but I know, like, in the States, and I think someone said in the UK, you can, there's some kind of site where you can do jobs for people, and they have like, you know, house sitting, dog sitting, don't come over, reckon mind their plants or do something. Yeah, I feel you're close, but you're being to,

well, like, you're close, but you're being, like, laser specific with the dog sitting. Do you know, do you know where I'm coming from from that? Yeah, but, like, we've already talked about, like, clubs, what's the word, do things? What's the word? volunteer yes that's what i did down in cornwall and it benefited me massively yeah so it doesn't have to be dog walking although that would that would be good but you could also you could volunteer to like

spend time with elderly people yeah volunteer for different charities it's a great way to meet new people to connect with other people and you never know where like that kind of network will will lead. Yeah and I was always a bit worried about volunteering for little things that were going on because I thought what if only one other person turns up and it's just me and them but actually

sometimes that's better because you actually then develop a deeper connection with that person and even if you don't get on that well and you don't want to see each other again sometimes they might know of a different event that's going on or another person that you might be interested in or it just acts as that getting out and walking around. It's the initial step to doing a busier voluntary thing.

Yeah. And another thing as well is that let's say you didn't want to volunteer or there wasn't something that like really, you felt really passionately about that was already available. You could create your own thing. You could create your own club or your own charity or whatever it is and you could be instead of you looking for something, you could attract people towards you. You know? Another way of doing it. Or you could just do what me and Jair do and just be a personal training

and then you have to deal with people on a regular basis anyway. Yeah, you pretend they're your friends and you can meet them for like 20 to 40 hours a week. Yeah, I just force them. I literally just force my members to hang around with me. Yeah. I just pick different things every week that we have to do.

And then if we're going hiking Saturday now for weeks. This is a challenge for you because it's going to build resilience. But really I just want someone to spend a weekend with me. I don't want to be alone. And if you commit to a hike, you've got to be with me for at least four hours. Exactly, yeah. And on a bus.

With no Wi-Fi and I've sent the bus off. So you're just collecting phones at the start of the day. You'll get these back later. Yeah. So that's another way. Any other ways in which you can build, let's say you have a very minimal social network, any other ways in which you can. you can build up connection and community and friendship

and feel less isolated or alone. You should know. One thing. Go on. Who should not? Joe. Bodius, but go on. Why should we know?

Day. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, let's not use that one. Well. Let's do something that doesn't cause you as much stress. I mean, you're not. Sign up for the gym.

Yeah. So, yeah, you could do that as well. What should we know? Okay, well, I spoke about this in a talk that I gave for Jair's event. Instead of... I said a lot of things, yeah, yeah. You said a lot of things. Okay, instead of trying to connect with new people, what else could you do?

Connect with old people? Not old people, but friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think, like, put it this way, right? The two years felt lonely right now, right? And you were to be proper honest with yourselves. When is the last time, like, you messaged an old? friend who you used to be really close to it and then just things diminished because of life.

I actually did that the other day because of that particular reason. I was like, I feel the disconnect with England. I just disconnect with this area, all that jazz. And I was like, I haven't spoken to this person that I know from my youth and just dropped him a message and they said stuff and they opened up about their kids and all that sort of stuff. And it was just, it was nice having that, yeah, reconnect. Yeah. And now what I would like even more than just mess. in that person is if you can if it's possible to if what if like geography is in your

favour to go and meet up with that person like to commit because most of us say oh yeah we'll do this next week or we should meet up sometime and then six months later you still haven't met up like commit to the day yeah see I'm finding it weird now because I'm kind of getting into a stage where I'm

enjoying my own company yeah you're selfish oh thanks I'm like, says your fucking man. I'm so selfish. That's why I have, that's why I have to learn about these things because. Yeah, but it's only, I'd say in the last year, year or so where I'm starting, I talked about spending more time with myself doing things.

And you do me people. Like I've gone on hikes and stuff on my own and I've ended up chatting to strangers on the side of the hill by a lake for a half an hour and it's jump. That's nice as well. But I have started to enjoy going, doing. my own thing. I think you're like you also got to get comfortable with that as well. It makes it easier to be in to go out and meet people too.

Yeah. And you know what else is really important for building connection is frequency and routine. So like going to the same coffee shop every morning and instead of just saying hello, so adding on to the conversation and like you build up, it's the same when you're in the gym, right? You build up Rup Poor with people because they come in at the same time every day and it starts with a high, how are you, how's T's T.

things and then you slowly start to get into chats with people like people who I didn't know like a year ago now I know them as all that's the young lad who's doing powerlifting or that's that lad who runs that company now and you start to kind of build rapport with people and like the thing is you can't force connection it has to come from you know repetitive interaction first and foremost and like I know a lot of people hate like small talk but essentially a lot of a lot of the friendships that you build with people or a lot of relationships you build with people start with small talk. So you have to kind of embrace that as well, but then try and do you know what I mean, make the effort to go a little bit deeper even in your conversations

and your questions with people and just kind of understand who they are. I was going to say, I think that's why a lot of people probably get sick of small talk is because it's all they give time for. And they just go surface level rather than use the word committing to getting to know someone properly. Yeah. Hi, my name is Gerr. What's your deepest fear? Yeah, but there's a, there's a, there's a, um, there's a really good Instagram page. He's this kind of old man and his Instagram page is like, uh, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't hate small talk. You're just shit at it. And he basically then like changes all these phrases from like, uh, are you doing anything today? And it's like, oh yeah, I'm just going to work

versus like, oh yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm same old thing going to work or I'm doing anything interesting at the weekend it's like um you know and you he's trying to basically reframe how you say things so like it leads on to to actually interesting conversation um i don't have any examples at the moment because i'm i'm terrible at small talk but we don't you cannot like small talk it makes me anxious actually and it's not that i can't talk to people or ask them those little questions but i'm just like oh can we just talk about something else like actually like asking talking about the weather. I fucking hate talking about the weather and it's the same, I live in

Ireland, it's the same fucking thing. I don't know how many times today I'd say about maybe five, six. That's the whole point. That's the whole point. It's like that shit small talk. Yeah. I like the weather. Yeah, well, you know, that explains a lot. He has something in there and it's

like, oh, aren't we supposed to talk about the weather isn't that something that people talk about in small talk? And then leads it on to something else. So it's like, again, it's, you Yeah, small talk can be very tedious when, you know, it's done incorrectly. You know, because a lot of small talkers, I don't actually care what you have to say. So I'm just going to use the general phrases versus actually framing it a way that gives someone an opportunity to talk about themselves.

Here's a question. Even if you don't feel like you are interested in the person that's trying to create small talk with you. Yes. Should you try and invest time in communicating with them because something interesting might come out or do you accept the loss and just try and go and do something else? I think that most people are interesting if they're given an opportunity to speak about themselves.

Most of the time we just aren't interested in people because we're just not in the humour to talk to people. Yeah, I agree. And then we end up actually having a decent conversation with them. We walk away from them conversations and we think, oh, that person's actually really interesting. Yeah, and then you go, oh, the next person might be more interesting, whereas if you just confirm had small talk, was bored by that conversation,

every small talk conversation, if you don't open to it. We dismissed the conversation before it's even happened, essentially. And that's why nothing ever comes from it. We agree. All right. So we've solved Rob's problem then, have we? yeah you're moving to bristol tomorrow pack your bags rob's moving to bristol he's going to get a job he's going to commit to the same area

he's going to get some roommates he's going to join a club he's going to commit to work he's going to go for a walk he's going to talk to the same barista every morning he's going to he's going to hang out in the same gym he's going to have conversations with people it isn't going to be small talk it isn't going to be just about the weather and i'm going to hang around the park yeah and he's going to reconnect with old friends is going to tell, hey, come on down to Bristol. I'm going to have a party. Everyone's going to be there.

You know what? That's actually something that crossed my mind the other day is... Bring your car keys. I've got... That comes next. I've got so many great people that are either around the country or around the world that haven't met each other.

And I'm like, I really want to organise like a party or something where all of them come together and go... Okay, but it has to be a team. teamed party. Tweed jackets. Tweed jackets and I want it to be countryside. I'll wear wellies and I'll bring a gun.

So I'm not going to that party. Here's all rocks connections. I'm getting rid of them all. Yeah. I'm his only friend. Okay, can we actually get on to what I wanted to speak about before we run out of time? Yeah. Okay.

So I sent just the video to just go to just look at it. I had a quick, I had a quick watch of it. Okay, so basically just for context for the listeners, so it was this kind of fitness business guru, and he was doing a, he was doing a talk for his clients, obviously, and basically showing how they're using AI to kind of automate admin, and they basically replicate the coaches voice,

the clone it, and then basically the AI will, you know, do all them tasks, like call up people, answer questions, qualify customers and book consultations. So the person on the end of the phone is going to answer the phone and think that they're speaking to the coach that they want to work with. But what they're really speaking to is basically just this AI agent. Now, the question becomes, is this immoral to think that you're speaking to that person? I think you're speaking to that human, but you're actually speaking to

AI agent. And obviously, the benefits of this are very obviously, you know, transparent is that, you know, you're going to be able to reach out to more people. It's going to be more efficient for your business, you know. Streamlining and efficiency, it's, it's scale. It's a huge pro. It's scalable. It also means, there's also convenience for the, for the customer as well in terms of

that they get the response quicker, you know, which is, which is already, you know, which is all really important as well. And then obviously the downside to this is that you can remove the human aspect to it. It can make kind of people, you know, lower to, I think, communication and empathy towards the people that they're dealing with. I don't like it. Tell me why. Mostly because I'm not actually having the conversation with the person. Okay. If a lead for those you don't know who a lead is. A lead is someone who may be interested in your service or product. So in this context, it's, you know, someone looking for help with a gym program or whatever.

If a lead thinks that they're talking to a real coach, but they're talking to an AI agent, is that deceptive? Yeah, it is. Like, they think they're talking to a real person. on like if they know they're talking to an AI system then grant okay does disclosure matter does it if they know that they're talking to an AI agent upfront is that okay then yeah I'm not saying I like the process I'm not saying I'd use it but them knowing makes it okay you're not hiding anything like if they think they're talking to you then the first conversation they have with you in person is the first conversation

who's you though like if it's if you're calling a gym and there's 10 coaches there if it's using if it's using your voice and it's fixed in a way to answer or talk to them like it's you but it's not you on the phone then okay if it's trying to replicate your specific voice then yeah i yeah i agree with that but also are you it depends on how much flexibility you have in terms of how you're programming it. If it is literally, this is the response I would give to this question, this is the response I would give to this question, this is how I would follow this up. It's not you. I guess the main person it gives a disconnect to is the coach doesn't learn anything about the person on the other end of the phone. Like the person on the other end of

the phone, here's your response. So they kind of get a gist of you, but you know nothing about that client. It's automated. There's no flow to a conversation. You're not actually having the conversation. It's just, it's a script. It comes back to that dating thing, doesn't it, I guess? Like the person that we talked about episodes ago that had an AI version of her boyfriend, she's having this interaction with a boyfriend

that might be authentic to how a boyfriend would respond. But the boyfriend hasn't experienced that with her. So it's not really a two-way thing, is it? Is there a moral difference between AI, handling admin like the consultation you know what are your goals what are you struggling with versus human emotional connection even if the customer knows it's AI and not the human but AI can simulate empathy well enough that most people don't care is there still a moral conundrum there

you give you give people a lot of people give people questionnaires that's kind of similar as long as you will see the data

afterwards and kind of process it and go okay a questionnaire and a conversation or not to say this was this was my moral this was this was my

moral conundrum right because I beforehand had a I was working with a an admin company who would reach out to people for me, send messages on my behalf and then send a form for them to fill out and then I would ring them. I'd get on the phone and I would have that conversation. Now when I seen this I was like well as much as this disgusts me a little, I did the same thing on a lower tier because people thought they were messaging me but they were

messaging the PA company that was working on my behalf. So then I was like, right well I'm being hypocritical but then also I'm like I it also and now and even then that didn't really sit right with me and they weren't speaking the way I would speak to someone so I just got rid of them and I didn't think it was worth paying the money for and I would rather just have the conversation with the person but even then I was like well we we use AI to automate systems to make it more efficient for so we have more time and freedom to be able to you know do the things that we find important in the business, like communicating with our customers, with our clients, with people. So there was, like, that's a really good point, Rob. It's like we do it. Downstream,

we do it. But then how far do we want to take this where, you know, we can get AI generated, like holograms of us. People could, you know, be on a Zoom call and think that they're actually speaking to us when they're speaking to an AI generated version of us. Like, it's just a lot of us. Like, It's like me having a conversation with you now and it's not even me. It's an AI generated version of me because, you know, I didn't have time to make the podcast today. I was, I was out. You're taking, you're taking the personal out of personal trainer. Mm-hmm.

That's like, don't, like even what you were doing before is still a little bit different. I do get there's that hypocritical line of other people who were sending the messages out for you. You were reading the forms. You were then having the calls. but like if you're to have even like sending a questionnaire to someone sending a questionnaire to someone and then filling it out and then you hopping on the call

isn't the same as someone having a phone conversation with an automated voice that sounds like you talking to them you have not had a conversation with that person I agree and my point with the questionnaire was if they're replacing the questionnaire

with the conversation with the AI then you're having the follow up call that you would normally have that I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with. But if, yeah, like you just said, if you're having all of that, if you're having both steps covered by an AI version of you, that removes, it removes your engagement with the client.

And I think that's the main issue. Would you feel personally cheated if you discovered that your first interaction was with AI, but you didn't know at the start? Yes. That's the, like, yes, because it's not the truth. I'd feel undervalued. I think I'd have a conversation

and I felt, ah, this person was really interested in the points that I had to make here. It sounded like they were listening. And then you find out that the person has no idea what you were saying and it wasn't even then putting the effort in. You'd be like, I want someone that's going to put more effort in.

Was it last week or the week before we talked about connecting with clients? That it's not just about doing a gym program with them. So obviously it takes time to connect. with someone to a certain level. You have tarnished that straight off the bat if you're using a fucking robot to do it. Yeah.

Do you think the younger generations are going to value like efficiency more than authenticity and being able to like speak to a person rather than be like, oh, I'm just going to talk to AI, it's quicker. Because if you think about it, they already do that now, they have their AI friend chatbots who they talk to.

They talk to chat GPT on a regular basis. They ask a question. It responds to them. So it's getting the, it's getting the answers that it wants it's getting feedback that it wants and now it's just going to be doing it through a voice automation rather than via text

and soon it'll be hologram. They'll know. I know but that's what I mean. If you go to sign up for a coaching service and you know from the get-go that it is AI talking to you, it's AI dealing with you. Then I don't like the idea

of it but that's what you're paying. for yeah think about this right so people are already going to chat gbt to get gym programs yeah okay yeah now what's the difference then between takes that take that take that to the next step is that now they're going to have their own hologram personal trainer who is instead of just typing back to them what their gym program is is now you know meeting them on a weekly basis to coach them through what they've already done what they need to change etc well i'm not i'm not arguing I'm not arguing whether that's good or bad. It's about disclosure.

It's about knowing that's, it's not like a fake. That's the difference. That's the difference. If they know what's going on, fine, do whatever you want. We've talked about this that like, even if you use AI, you have to know how to talk to it. They took their jobs. They took their jobs. You know, like, Brian, like you can, I've had friends send me their chatchy BT program.

and I'm like, yeah, great, go do that. But you said it, I think you said it was it last week, week before, that unless you know how to talk to it and ask it certain questions, give it certain prompts, it's not going to give you what you need. But now think about it, right? I want you to like look into the future here, right? So you have this, you know, online personal trainer. He has a huge audience. People enjoy consuming their content. They sign up to their training.

program and now they all get their own um hologram version of that person that they can meet on a weekly basis for coaching for one-to-one coaching for their calls doing up their programs like realistically most like celebrity online coaches don't do their own program anyway they all have people doing a for them or they probably have AI doing it for them now as well so it's like what what i'm trying to say is will like will the generations below us even be able to distinguish between um you know having conversations with an actual human and just this replicated version um true AI they I don't think they'll even care yeah they they might they probably won't care um they probably won't like because they're using it anyway they

the human, like human interaction is less and less with younger generations anyway. So they may not, they may not give a ship, but why does this sound like a focus group for a project you were going to do in the future? No, it's definitely, hologram,

hologram. No, I definitely, I definitely will not. Do you think that AI companionship is going to replace human relationships via the coaching client relationship? Not completely.

No, no. And I think, I think COVID's, COVID kind of showed us that. I think it will. Yeah, well, you want that so you're not alone. I don't want that. I just I just can predict into the future.

Yeah. I see visions. Everyone wanted online coaching before we hit COVID during COVID. And then the uptake in face-to-face personal coaching has jumped. Now, generations are different. It depends on age group. But that might change. You know, you look at 16 to.

22 year olds that may not want that in person now, they'll get to their 30s and then they'll realise I actually have nobody around me. Now I want to go into a group setting. Yeah, but things were different during COVID than they are now. AI wasn't what it is now. I think online coaching could become close to completely eradicated by AI. But I think you actually want a human being in front of you. I don't think that will get replaced completely. Do you think loneliness is going to increase or decrease with AI assistance?

Did something freeze then? Or were you just thinking? I was just thinking of the question. I was just... No, I was just... I was just... I was just... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a glitch in my AI. I'm gonna be... I... I was... I was contemplating what you were saying. there and what I wanted to ask is do you think loneliness is going to increase or decrease with AI assistance increase it depends depends how your brain how easily deceived your brain is if your brain thinks this is another human being on the other end of this call and that is all you would

do anyway you'd have an online coach and you'd have a video call you might well here's my question here's my question for you here's my question for you so my Most people who are lonely or want answers to things that are going on in their lives, they go to chat GPT for the answers. They know it's chat GPT, but they also essentially get so used to it that they almost forget. And they don't think, oh, I should go talk to my friend or my family member about this problem. They go straight to their AI. I feel like the base, I don't know which way around I'm trying to say this,

but I feel like the baseline for loneliness has changed in that we would perceive it very differently now than we would have done 20, 30, 40 years ago. In what way? So 20 years ago, maybe guys were going around knocking on each other's doors saying, do you want to go out and throw some eggs at someone's door? And that was kind of like socialising

and probably do that most after school. All right, Bart Simpson. Yeah. I was always too scared to do that, actually. But that was kind of a base, like you'd see people socially quite a lot. And then as soon as you weren't allowed or you were grounded, you felt lonely because you weren't allowed to go out and do the things you were doing. Whereas now, and even in the 90s, the 90s, like people were online gaming,

that level of loneliness kind of reduced, I don't know which way around I'm trying to say it, but loneliness, this perception of it changed because you were gaming with your friends online, seeing them in person became less important in your mind, even though subconsciously actually, you probably feel more lonely, consciously you feel like you're seeing them still. Yes. Convenience, some would say.

Convenience to talk to them on the Xbox. And what do we say about convenience? It's shit. the cost of well it's not she but the cost of convenience is loneliness we talked about

was it the was it ease of access or something about communication with WhatsApp groups and different things like that and I only thought about it the other day that like I think maybe back in 2008 I lost my phone

first day of a festival within the first hour and I remember spending two weeks after that with no phone and it was fine you know people ring the landline, someone called to your house to come get you. Whereas now, if we drive down the road

and you don't have your phone, the idea of being without it for more than five minutes just seems like madness. 100%. And this is the, this is the thing about anytime we create something that has convenience, whether it's like, all right, now we conveniently can get fast food at the drop of a hat. It means we cook less. It means we're probably, you know, not eating as healthy as we used to. Instead of being bored, we can now scroll, which is also a convenience. Instead of seeing people face to face and knocking on their door, now we can just text them. That is also a convenience. But there is always a downstream effect to them conveniences.

One is health issues. Another is attention issues. Another is not getting as much human connection as possible. So there is always a downstream impact to convenience. and we've created another convenience that now we can use AI to call people up to have the conversations for us, to coach for us,

whatever it is. So there must be a downstream impact from that and what it will be will soon find out. But I don't think it's going to be good. Ex-bots. Sorry? What?

Do you say Xbox? No, I said Sex-Bots. Oh, sorry. I just said Xbox. Yeah, yeah. Well, like, that's all, that will also be an imp. I mean, that's,

we, we've already seen the, the, the effects of that play out in terms of, like porn. Well, you're gonna,

you're gonna have that be, your, your sex bot's gonna be your personal trainer, your chef, your companion, the whole she bang. That's, it's all gonna go towards that.

You're just gonna buy something to live in your house and take care of you. Yeah. Yeah. I, that's why I think we're all just going to, just retreat from life,

I think. you're going to move further out into the woods with more butts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and my 10 sex butts. My wives. I have one hologram for every woman. I hate to me. Okay, well, go on, Rob.

Idiocracy. I think it's called idiocracy. Yeah. Have you seen that, have you? No, I haven't seen it, but go on. It's basically, I think it's Owen Wilson's brother. and he's basically just in this room by himself, gets food brought to him,

basically everyone goes stupid. And their brains don't develop because everything's done for them. And I think there's this person that's in this capsule that's basically from hundreds of years ago or something that comes into that era. And I think it's something of power-rage. It's him and a sex worker get frozen

to be brought back like years of, in the future. I think Terry Cruz is the president. They're using like the equivalent of gate raid to water plants. Can't understand why crops aren't growing. Everyone's an absolute moron. He's seen as a genius like to the point that he can just, I think he's

in prison and he just goes, I'm actually meant to be leaving and they release him. So like yeah, that's, I think the big joke is that's where we're moving towards the future. I think then was it is it Wally? Was it that movie where they're all wearing like the same spacesuits and

they're basically on not an e-scooter what are the a segue they're basically on segways driving around and you just get feds these craps like beige meals and everyone's just living in kind of pods watching TV on their own

yeah that sounds like hell to me I think that's the point in them isn't it is to to highlight how crap that would be to try and discourage us from going down that path because people already predicted it what 20 30 40 years ago um but it's so hard to fight against it's still happening yeah it's so hard

to fight you're not going to fight against progress though that's that's the thing it's is it progress though well in in in in the no not in in some ways no and in some ways yes so we are kind of fighting against our own personal progress by focusing more on financial progress well it's not yeah it's financial it's also time it's also energy. It's all them things. Like, like I said, it's, it's, it's, the cost of convenience becomes something like loneliness. There is always a downstream effect. Like, being able to have, you know, um, you know, fast food restaurants means that you're probably going to get less nutrients in and, you know, you're probably going to create an obisogenic environment versus

when people had to go out and move and, and go down to the shop to pick out food and stuff like that. So like there's the, yes, it is progress in a way that you've solved. something like, you know, mass starvation for, you know. So there's definitely progress, but then it creates another problem. I think the cool one seeing now is tradies, the lack of like, you know, sparkies, plumbers, different stuff of that. So everyone's gone into working in something with technology with the idea of making huge amounts of money.

So like, I think there was a coder. If you're a coder, you're gone. had this conversation with my friend other day, he's a qualified barrister, he's really highly educated. Like they are the first, anything in the office are the first jobs to be gone in the last five years.

So like, like, I think we had what, one main plumber in the village and he retired and there's no plumber around for like 20, 25 minutes. I know three lads that set up their own sparky company

and they're rolling in it. Yeah, of course, making a fortune. It will be the last thing, it will be the last thing to go essentially. Yeah, we still, we like even like if you're because you need you need electricians you need builders you need block layers

you need all of that whereas now yeah yeah it's a robots that can do it until we go back to like mad max yeah well i don't know what do you think are some human skills that are still going to be necessary for next like five 10 years as you know these systems get more and more sophisticated and people are using more and more automation for their businesses and systems and less and less of themselves, do you think? Well, electricians would be one big one, man. Electricians and builders, like, you can't have all these things just lying out on the side of the road. Yeah, but I mean in terms of coaching.

In coaching. All right. Oh, yeah. We should talk about that. I will just forget. You know what, if AI takes by. job. I'm just going to go back to playing

hip the can and curbs and I'm just going to get out in the fresh area. Agin Hagen houses. Yeah, I'm just going to do what Rob does. I'm just going to start egg and houses. Yeah, knocking on old people's doors and running away. Yeah. Or just stand there and then have a bit of small talk with them. Yeah,

absolutely. Just just talk about the weather. I'm just going to talk. I egged your house, but isn't it a lovely day? I just got it. I just got to once AI takes over. I'm just going to talk about the weather all day. All right.

Folks, that was brilliant. Thanks very much. We didn't get through half of what we were supposed to speak about. We're supposed to talk about. We're supposed to talk about runners' inflation, but we'll leave that for another day. At least we've solved Rob's problem. And now he's, you know. What was the solution? I don't know.

Yeah, that's the problem. It's supposed to do with moving away from your problems or something like that. Anyway, it was a pleasure. Goodbye. I'll see you, bye.