The Uneducated PT Podcast - Ep.182 Nutrition IQ 101

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

This week I’m joined by Ger, Rob and Anna to put our nutrition IQ to the test.Are seed oils really responsible for obesity?Does calories in vs calories out still matter? Is raw milk actually healthier?Are processed foods automatically bad for you? And should we really be eating like our ancestors?We get into protein, carbs, hydration, micronutrients, food additives, diet culture and why focusing on one “bad” ingredient can distract us from the bigger picture.We also challenge some of the biggest nutrition claims doing the rounds online and discuss what actually matters when it comes to nutrition, health, body composition and performance.

Okay, so first statement I'm going to say is seed oils are the root cause of obesity in America. Low IQ or high IQ. Could you say thick fuck, but like, yeah, low IQ, nutrition. Well, no, I'm going to say the, I'm going to say, God, for me. Give the nuance answer, Anna, that's what we're here for. This is a low IQ thing as in it's not true, but it's probably been said by someone who's seem to have a high IQ like the health secretary in America. Yes.

Okay. So, nuance, love it. So we're going to say low IQ statement. Yeah. You don't have to worry about offending people. They're listening and they're like, oh, I used to think that. And now I'm going to think different. So why is, why is seed oils being the root cause of obesity,

a low IQ statement, do you think? Why do people think it? Because of being demonised. It's the big hype now to demonise seed oils. It's also not true, having lived in America. Yeah, also, when I was in, when I was in Texas, they had these little like stands everywhere saying, like, you know, no seed oils here and all.

I was like, what? People see it cause inflammation, don't they? more so than anything else. And then people think inflammation means obesity. Yes, it's often obesity that causes inflammation. So what is the root cause of obesity then? That? I'll talk about this for days.

Go on, Anna. Well, just give it, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, just give some, you know, general, pow, wisdom. The root cause is a calorie surplus over time. However, the other causes are tenfold. Give a spit roll some. Environment, education, health literacy, accessibility, food accessibility, financial struggles. Oh, go into that one for me. Well, financial struggles.

Yeah, why? How do financial struggles cause obesity? Well, I think this is where the seed oil thing comes into it, because, People in a privileged position who can afford to buy certain things will then demonise other things to sell a product normally. So like olive oil is one, I mean, not as much now, it's quite expensive, but olive oil's one of the most health promoting foods you can include in your diet within modern region. But people will demonise it. But yet it's one of the cheapest. So it's, if someone has limited accessibility for whatever reason, often financial, then they are left in a way. worst position when people demonize certain products.

Mm-hmm. Makes sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Agreed. Agreed. Also, organic food. Not needed. More expensive.

Yeah. All right. Next one that I'm going to go into is, hmm. So, Rob, low IQ or high IQ. Your overall diet matters more than one individual ingredient. Hi, Ike. Nice.

Why did you think that? End of. Because, I mean, it's just like life in general, isn't it? Like, there could be one great thing happening every now and then or one terrible thing happening now and then. But as long as the overall balance is good, and this is good, then should be sweet, right? Because you could have, your Friday night could be a couple of pints here and there.

That one thing isn't, like, loads of people doing, I mean, it is a poison technically, but let's skip past that. But that Friday night isn't going to ruin, unless you overdo it completely, it's not going to ruin your overall health, is it? It's how you treat yourself throughout that week, that month, that year. Yeah. Why do people hyper-obsess over individual ingredients, do you think? I think it kind of, if you identify one thing,

as a root cause and you take control of that. It's kind of like a control thing. Like you've identified one thing. You don't have to look at your overall picture as much as less stressful to do that. I guess it places accountability away from you as well. You go right, well, the reason that I'm unhealthy or sad is that one thing. And then if you try and control that thing, you feel a sense of control again. I'm using that word again.

I think that's right. I'm not sure. I 100% agree with that I'm sorry I just couldn't get out of my head that we've heard it here first from Rob if you do six days of eating well and exercising and do crack one day you'll be fine overall your growth

um Anna how much does one ingredient really matter that's going to make a clip isn't it I agree with Bob I think people it's easy it's easy to blame one thing isn't it and we all want the easy option. So it's not a character floor that people want to blame one ingredient. And I think the food industry,

nutrition industry, whatever you want to call it, it all supports people to blame one thing. It's all over social media. It was a spartamine for a long time. That was the big one. I don't know.

Then, there was another one that was something in bread. I can't remember what it was. But I completely, it's as, like, I completely, agree with Rob. It is easy. Just pick one thing, blame that. You know, and we'll find, we're like, you're saying that aspartamine in diet drinks is the reason why you're gaining weight or it's killing you. And then you give up just all fizzy drinks in general and then your weight changes.

Then you go, well, it must be the aspartum. Yeah. Yeah. And then a lot of people then create huge followings off the back of using that tactic of, of, of, of, fair mongering and then and then giving a solution to people in terms of that one evil ingredient. Yeah, when I look at toxic health, he makes a living out of telling people that they shouldn't eat certain foods for certain ingredients, but then in another video, he forgets that that same ingredient is in one of the food ingredients and also in a lot of his supplements that he sells. So like, you know, it's very easy to slip up when you do things like that as well because it's not real. is he he's the guy

that was going into supermarkets giving out about bread and different stuff and now he has like children's supplements yeah yeah they always

they always have supplements to sell at the end of the because they need that's the solution once they create the the problem what were you going to say Rob I was kind of

not backtracking completely but kind of just on the topic of what you mentioned before sometimes so it could be that alcohol is the problem for some people, of course, especially if you've got some sort of dependency on it. But if, say for example, you have two or three pints every single day or maybe more, and you do put on weight because of those extra calories, or you do feel like crap,

and that kind of influences your day after, your diet and everything kind of changes as a result. You sleep worse, maybe. As soon as you then cut out alcohol or you reduce it to one night or a it does kind of look like that ingredient was the problem overall. Kind of like what Jir said, as soon as you then stop having those fizzy drinks all the time or the alcohol all the time, your life can change. But it's more of an awareness and an education of how those ingredients can impact your life

and making sure you have them in moderation rather than it just being that one ingredient that is why you're fucking up. Yeah, I understand that. It's like you said, though, it's easier to just say, all right, well, if I just cut out alcohol, then I'm going to achieve the result I want. And that creates a little bit more certainty. And I think if it works for you and you cut out alcohol and sweet, your life's changed, perfect. Like, it doesn't need to be something that you then tell everyone else or demonize everyone else's decisions of, oh, you've gone out for a drink.

You're going to become unhealthy. It's like, if it's worked for you, great. but don't try and push it on someone else that actually has an all right balance that includes that thing that you can at the moment handle to include in your diet. That makes sense.

I think it's like you say about alcohol can be a dependency whereas if you're talking about an ingredient in food yeah, like I don't recommend anybody cuts out anything from their diet unless they're allergic they don't like it or there's a health implication of it. Agreed. And it's the same with alcohol. Alcohol can support your health and it can be detriment to you.

Next statement. You need to follow a specific diet with a name in order to lose weight. Low! Go on. Go on. You have to give a conclusion to your answer. Give me a second. I got too excited doing that.

I said you need to follow a specific diet with a name like keto or carnivore in order to lose weight. Well, no. Like, we can't, like, if we're going to play devil's advocate as well, like, sometimes a keto diet will work for some people. Yeah. And generally, it's just a reduction in things that they're overeating. Yeah. Like, when everyone does, when everyone does their no-carb diet, they generally cut out excessive amounts of toast in the morning or too many spuds on their plate or the evening or eating cakes and things. Like, that's, that's all you're doing.

you're just reducing the thing that's pushing you into a surplus. So as Anna said, if you don't over-restrict and you just allow yourself to have some as part of your diet, you'll be able to manage it. But you don't have to do a keto diet. You don't have to do... What was the one I did before? I did Atkins, man.

What is Ackham's again? Just anything that's from the ground as a... Yeah, it's... Caveman. It's a caveman diet. Yeah. It's a caveman diet. but like just

ate meat, nuts and berries grand. I actually quite enjoyed it to be perfectly honest. It does. I can imagine you're just sitting under a tree just picking your little berries

and just there there with a shopping, a wood shopping board. Fred Flintstown walking around. It's all the cow on it probably. It's interesting. Like Atkins was,

I can't remember how long ago was maybe 10, 15 years ago. Longer. surely it was the 70s or 90s. 90s. It was still hanging around in like nearly 2000s. My story was 15 years ago, sorry. So there's a girl that I know from growing up,

a family friend and she's got cystic fibrosis. And I don't know what the ins and outs of it are, but she was advised to follow the Atkins diet because something to do with it helping reduce inflammation or building up of whatever it is that builds up. don't know whether it helped or not. I don't know whether it was more of a weight loss thing rather than an actually effecting the cystic fibrosis.

But do you know anything about that, Anna, at all? Or is that just... I don't. I don't specifically. But, like, cystic fibrosis is really complex in how it impacts your, like, mucous build up and stuff like that throughout your body as well. Sounds like an elimination diet to me. Yeah, and it might be, like you say,

because of weight, management. Like keto has been shown to help some people with epilepsy. Definitely certain diets with names that can be helpful for certain people. I don't know specifically about things like that. But it's even, I don't think people get like the complexity of stuff sometimes when it comes to health and nutrition

that like, you know, I had a client either day who was on about taking a medication who, a specialist advised her about it and she had to have certain dietary requirements alongside that. And I'd get that as a nurse. But, One of our friends was like, well, no, I've seen on social media, you need to do it this way. And our friend was adamant. And it was only until she'd seen something else on social media from somebody else who she trusted, whether they were, you know, qualified or not. And they were like, oh, yeah, maybe you should do it this way.

So we put so much trust and ownership on these social media characters. And actually, there's a lot of complexity and nuance to it. So that might be something that's helped that person. Also, somebody else with cystic fibrosis in the same position might have tried it and might not help them. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. And then not that that's well that's the whole debate on social media all the time no matter what the diet is. It's like this worked for me and then it comes to the conclusion.

So therefore this will work for whatever your whatever the situation is where it's like you're you're not really thinking about the like it's an individual response. And you know like like I said it's so complex that you can't just go straight from you know X helped me. so therefore why is the solution for that? We go for another one? Yeah. Okay. The dose matters

when deciding if something is harmful. High IQ or low IQ. Depends what we're talking about, man. Depends what kind of supplementation you're talking about. Go on, well, you can play devil's advocate again. Say it again.

The dose matters when deciding if something is harmful. I'd go high, man. Yeah, I would as well. But why would you say that's a high IQ nutrition statement? Well, because

like dosage, your requirements, everything is important. So like, you know, like even we'll say vitamin C and stuff, you can over supplement that. You know, some people are doing that. So like there are, there are things that people are getting from, we'll stick with nutrition.

We'll say people are getting from their they don't need to supplement with. If it was living where we live, then vitamin D there's a very good chance you're not going to overdo it. Let's play this out with examples. Is water healthy for you? Yes.

So I can drink 15 litres of water a day? No. Well, good luck with that. Why can't I? It's like what Rob was saying before. I was just about to say it's all in the door. So like you can become, you can kill yourself from drinking too much water. Exactly.

So the dose, the dose matters when deciding if something's harmful on both ends of the spectrum, whether you think something's nutritious or healthy or you think something's older processed and not healthy. Yeah, but also like I could have 10 pounds and Joe could have 10 pounds and the dose matters, but it also matters than the individual. Now, take away from pints and let's talk about. You love you. It was like, a bunch of piss heads on this talk.

It just makes sense to everyone, Carol. Makes sense to you, true, you made. But I think as well, like, you can say, I don't know,

you can say vitamin C or a spartamine, for example. You know, we know that there are unhealthy levels of a spartamine that you could have. Yeah,

but it's really high as well. You couldn't, like, you couldn't consume the amount that you need to be harmful. So that's where people use that little grain of truth

and they take it completely out of context. And there are lots of things that if you've got a certain health condition and you have X, then it's going to be harmful. If you've got a heart condition and you have too many bananas and you have too much potassium, like my threshold for potassium is going to be higher than somebody else's threshold for potassium if we've got a heart condition. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The dose is going to matter, but it's going to be different. Yeah.

So is that something that just gets lost in the conversation then when if we, if we're, we go back to like people demonising ingredients and stuff like that. It's like that never gets, never gets spoken about is that the dose matters. I think it gets spoken about sometimes, but I think a lot of people then it gets too complicated and people don't know how to communicate that. So like what I've just said,

the individual person matters, the dose matters, there's all these other things that matter. And it's really hard to get that across, either with communication skills or in a 90 second Instagram. meal. I think was this? Was it Steve Kraft?

Was it Steve Kraft coaching? He's a ginger eye with a beard. I know him, yeah. He did in a spardamine video

and he literally just put up on the counter how many cans of I think it was Pepsi or Pepsi Max or something you'd have to drink to hit a toxic level of spartamine.

What was it? Do you remember? I can't remember the number but like it would fill most of my kitchen island. Like 300 or something ridiculous, isn't it? It's something mad.

You're not sitting there drinking it. Yeah. Your stomach's got to start to act up before you have to worry about this. It's part of it. Let's sit there drinking all day. She's drinking on the toilet. Okay, right. So if you can't pronounce an ingredient, you should need a lower high.

Low. Somewhere in the middle. No, low. I'm going to go low. Low man. We've got new... Why are you swaying? Go and explain.

We've got nutritionists that can't even pronounce quinoa. Like, don't mind... Anna, can you not pronounce quinoa? I can, but I just like to say quinoa. It just sounds better. Sorry? It sounds better in my accent to say quinoa than the keyboard. Kuo.

Well, it's spelled... You're not how it's spelled yet. That it's spelled quinoa. So I say phonetically because it sounds better. Lots of things are spelled certain ways. It's not the way we say them, though. And I still say them the same way. Yeah, I don't think.

I don't think it sounds better. Does that mean I can't be a nutritionist? Because I can't, I say, Not at all. Nobody said that. We're just judging the way you pronounce it. I used to say Quinawa and then push people judge me. So I say quinoa now because.

Well, it'll be a jare very posh, you know, so. Yeah. And your country forced your language on us. You should be able to say it. Yeah. Anyway. This is a thing. I think, like, are people going to argue that because I can't pronounce food,

then, you know, that, you know, that makes me less of a qualified nutritionist. No, now you're getting... No, I don't mean you guys, but I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if that was an argument that comes out on social media. Like, when people...

It's probably one of those things like with PTs, if you don't look the part, they might judge your ability to perform. So, yeah, it might reduce that initial or increase the barrier for entry to work with you or something, potentially. But I think that's also quite an ignorant viewpoint to have going.

Well, I saw a video, I saw a video based on that if you can't, if you can't pronounce it, you should need it. And someone then just took the chemical makeup of strawberries and like, right, say all those. And they know you can't eat fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because we change the name for things all the time, don't we? Well, not, maybe not all the time.

But like, like, we can rename things or like you say, go for the chemical formula. And some people have dyslexia. Some people struggle to read anywhere. way some people like does that mean they don't eat rice because they can't pronounce rice like it's a bit of a stupid statement really isn't it so you're saying so you're saying it's low and we can have foods that are named with chemicals is that what you're saying Rob I think there's probably an aspect of truth of you might want to potentially be more conscious of that ingredient.

So maybe do a bit of research into it if you don't recognize it. But it's more to do with recognition rather than your ability to say the word, surely. So if it looks like a weird word that you've never seen before. I'm going to pay a devil's advocate right now. So like if I'm a mum of tree and I have so much on my plate and I get this kids to school, I have a part-time job. I'm trying to train and now I'm trying to eat healthy as well. Like is it realistic for me to go and look because someone online told me that this chemical

is really bad for you in bread, so I shouldn't eat bread. Is it realistic for me to be going and doing my research on all the chemicals, all the named chemicals of that field group? I think in that circumstance, your research is your exposure to the product. Like if you've been eating that product for months, years, and you seem to be okay, no, you don't need to. But if you... What if I feel quite sluggish at the moment?

Because I'm having three bottles of wine and I'm blaming the bread now because someone online, Sophie Maris or someone telling me that. BNR, so then after your third bottle of wine, go on to Google when the kids are in bed and start research. But do you know what I'm getting at? Do you see what I'm getting at? I'm also going to play devil's advocate and say that a lot of the time when we are doing things that don't support our health,

it doesn't always show up in symptoms. And I don't want to say this to scare people, but people will be like, well, I feel fine, so it's not doing any harm. And it's like actually then six years down the line, we've developed type two diabetes. It's not a day that you have to cut out sugar or something like that, but a lot of things materialize later down the line when we can't get as much control over it. So yes, absolutely work with how you're feeling, but also work with the confidence that you're

doing the things that you need to be doing. That's not, for me, overanalyzing ingredients and worrying too much about what's in your food because we know that a lot of regulation goes into food that is sold. Okay. So on the back of that one, next statement, processed doesn't automatically mean unhealthy. High IQ or low IQ? I'm going to go in and say that, did you say unhealthy or healthy? I said that processed doesn't automatically mean unhealthy.

Hi, I, Chris. Yeah. But again, I think a lot of the, I think people are over, putting too much emphasis on old processed foods. And there are huge benefits to include an ultra process foods in your diet, especially for the mum of three who's, you know, trying to feed a family. However, I think there's a lot of interest and stuff around the processing of food rather than the finished product of the food. And I think that's where we might see most. have come out about. Interesting.

So can have processed food then actually be nutritious in your diet? Or is it just convenient? Well, both I would say, sorry, lads, I'm totally real old with this one, but this is my like, yeah.

I've did a thing about childhood obesity and older processed foods, and I think if you took out olden processed foods for most kids diet, they would be massively nutritionally deficit. They wouldn't get what they need in their diet. Loads of foods are fortified

so that people get enough of what they need in the diet. And if you're meeting the recommended daily amounts, whether that's to processed food or I'm going to say natural food in air quotes, you know, things that aren't processed,

then you're still meeting the daily requirements. That would be, if you're a mum now, listen to that, that would probably be a sound of relief now. Hopefully. And I just ask a question on that,

not to push you back or anything but just pushback this is what we're here for it's more just in case anyone is listening and this isn't a thing to worry about or think about if we consume certain vitamins generally speak and when i believe from what i've my brief studies and nutrition you need certain fats to be able to absorb said vitamins right at what point do you need to worry about it's very broad question what point do you need to start worrying about how Have you, yes, you've eaten the vitamins in that fortified piece of food, but you're not actually getting, you're not absorbing those vitamins

because you're not actually getting the fats and things that you need around it. So yeah, there's vitamins that are fat soluble, so you need fat to absorb them. But those vitamins, if you weren't getting enough of them, you probably would have symptoms of some sort. so and there's very few people who in the UK and Ireland who actually are deficient in those vitamins like vitamin A, vitamin K, things like that. It's more so the vitamin D's, the vitamin C, things that we aren't getting enough of from our diet.

And is there much, are there other kind of micronutients that we don't absorb very well because of particular deficits around the rest of our diet? No, the main, the main. reasons why you wouldn't absorb is if you've got a health condition, like a gut condition or something that means that affects your absorption of it. What are you grinning at? I'm laughing at Carol Downsing in his chair. Sorry, I was enjoying the conversation. Yeah, that's that's, that's, that's the main thing, really. If you were, if you were eating so little fat that you couldn't absorb those vitamins, you're going to be very unwell. From a lack of fat and a lack of

vitamins as well. I can't, I can't necessarily name specifics, but I've seen. things dotted all over that's like if you consume this magnesium you might not actually be absorbing this magnesium because you're not getting this in your diet or yeah just someone's trying to call me

just trying to know oh you disappeared so unprofessional I'm sorry just cut me from it just introduce Anna into that yeah is that a thing like are there particular things that you're not going to absorb if you're

have like magnesium, for example, if you have a crap diet elsewhere? Yeah, not necessarily magnesium. There's definitely certain vitamins and minerals that you absorb, or that there's certain foods that help the absorption of certain vitamins and minerals, but you are still going to absorb some unless you've got a reason why you're not. And there's also things that will block absorption completely, like medications and stuff. and then things that will take up too much of these things if we're not careful.

So again, it's all in the doors. Oh, speaking on micros and stuff like that, if you're hitting your protein, this is another statement, by the way, high IQ or low IQ, if you're hitting your protein carbs and fats, you've basically got your nutrition covered. Lead this to you, lads.

Well, low. Low IQ. Do you think, do you, you can explain why, but do you think fitness culture focuses too heavily on on macros and, you know,

hitting your protein and that's all. That's all it really focuses on. Do you know, a calorie target, protein carbs and fats? Like, you'll see it, you'll see it on a lot of, you'll see it on a lot of influencers with

the way they eat. and like I'm bad for my consumption of fruit and veg but like you watch other meals. You should have an apple with your Guinness. I've done apples with cocktails before but like no I don't know if I'll mix it with a pint of Guinness but like you'll see you'll see their diet and it's like yeah it's grand being

a 22 year old that your breakfast is just eggs and bacon medallions and a can of monster. Oh lovely. And, you know, you might eat that twice, twice a day. And then maybe I'll have a handful of fucking raspberries. And that's seven days a week, 365 days a year. What's that mean?

But it's like, I wish they invented a cigarette that was high in protein and Oh, yeah. Ozepic and fibre or something like that. If there was a high protein, a high protein wine and cigarette, I'd finally reach my fitness goals. Like 90s always emmik and it was a cigarette and cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah. Love that. So are we forgetting about micronutrients and fibre in the,

well, not in the nutrition space, but in the nutrition online, getting it out to the mass population space? I think we focus too much, I think the fitness industry focus too much on macros or specifically on protein and now this fibre maxim thing. And I think we don't focus enough on microbes, but we focus too much on supplements of certain things

that we probably don't need to worry about like collagen, magnesium. Magnesium can be a great one, but again, there's so much hype out there about magnesium. Creatine even, we talked about this at an event recently of like, yes, it can be beneficial, but has it been overhyped? So

yeah, I think we're definitely missing the boat with a lot of things. Okay, right, another statement that I want to make, there are good carbs and bad carbs. all carbs are right man so you think it's a low IQ statement I think they're a thick fuck what about in terms of

getting more fibre and dear diet yeah if we're talking nutrient wise there's obviously a difference in carbohydrate carbohydrate intake you know you know the drill

we don't like can calling them good or bad you know nutrient dens or they're not. That's the difference. What would be considered a bad carb and why is it not a bad carb then? Say white bread for example. Yeah. Tell us situations where you would have white bread and it would have a positive impact.

When I'm feeling sad, when I'm feeling happy. Lonely. I would have white bread before maybe a training session, maybe an hour before, maybe a little bit of jam on there because it's fast release and energy for me and I don't feel sluggish and bloated. Yeah. So then how's that a bad cop?

Because I feel like a badass when I train. Well, you do you, Cobb. No, I'll say it if people are like, I'll question them on it and then they'll find a positive and I'm like, so then how's that a bad food? Yeah. Yeah, true. And then...

That's something to shift that matter, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But, okay, well, can I play devil's advocate on you? Always. Okay, so I'd say there are good carbs and bad carbs. So a bad carb would be me having... That sentence, though, you started it with me having...

It's almost like... It's Rob! Back off! It's your... Rob, he was open. up will you leave him alone? It's you that you're making it, you're utilising it.

I was talking about my avoidant issues. Okay, so bad kind of for me, Anna, would be if I had bananas or quinoa or something like that, maybe an hour before I tried. It's a bad choice. Yeah, very good. Why? But it's not a bad food because the food isn't the problem.

Your choice is the problem. I'm the problem. Finally we've gotten there. Only taking months. Not at all, not at all. No, but exactly that. It's the choice. Yes.

Because it doesn't match your intention. Your intention is to get energy to be fuelled for your session, but your choice isn't matching up to that. Yes, I gotcha. So I can have my bad carbs, my fast-releasing carbs before training, and maybe I should have some complex carbohydrates,

like some bitados maybe after my training, for recovery. Yeah. And then maybe a bit of fiber in there, maybe a ratio, a good ratio as well, like 10 to 1 from carbs to fiber. Is that right? No?

I don't know. So yeah, I'm sure it's right. Well, because if like fiber is a carbohydrate, so it depends what you are often. Like say I wanted to get some more fiber in my diet from carbohydrates. Yeah. So I say to people,

try every like depending on what your meals look like every servant needs to have some fibre in it and obviously it's going to depend on your overall calorie intake but yeah we would like I saw a stat the other day I was in it a year and like 96% of UK teenagers don't hit the recommended fibre

it's scary considering how much we need fibre for health yeah and we don't really talk about that we talk about having a high protein diet we don't talk about getting enough for fibre. What is the recommended day the amount for fibre, sorry? 25 minimum. Well, for adults it's 25.

25, yeah. Is it 25 for women and 40 for men or is it 25 across? It's 25 to 30 for everyone. I think they're probably going to up to 30, but then it's like for teenagers, I think it's 15 to 20. For under 11s, it's different. For kids, it's different again. Okay.

All right, do I have any more good ones? All right. Oh, for Gere, we. We'd all be healthier if we ate like our ancestors. Lower high. It's kind of in the middle for that one. Oh, tell me why. Because like the...

We didn't have as much access back with saying my, when my parents were our age, didn't have the access to fast foods as easily as we do now. The level of like sweets and different stuff like that, it was our like standard, you know, our standard bog dinner, meat, veg, spuds. So like the quality of food was probably better. Do you reckon?

I think so. It depends what, I suppose, what ancestors were talking about. Like, I mean, some people are probably eating just, you know, bark and berries. Yeah, like, so, so, so, so. They weren't having your, they weren't having your, they weren't having your Adair Sunday roast. Yeah, you know, I, fuck, I moved.

to an air, not from a dare, right? I come from dairy farmers, but like some of our ancestors were stuck eating soup, Carlos, so like, it kind depends which ones we're talking about. If we're talking, like, our parents' generation, then, like, I would

say, I would say the quality of food they had access to would be better, but now there's more accessibility to the knowledge around food. Do you think, like, do you know what I love? when people are like, oh, we should eat like a caveman

or we should eat like cavemen or something like that. But then I was thinking to myself, like, if cavemen live today, they'd definitely be getting drive-through at McDonald's. 100%. Could you imagine, can imagine being there on a Sunday evening and after like been out all day and night the day before? And you're like, I now need to go out and hunt my dinner. Yeah.

And it's pissing rain outside. You're just looking out the cave and you're like, no, I'm just going to starve tonight. Let's go fast. Sorry, Rob, you go ahead. I think now, from the limited knowledge I have in general, we have the ability to be the healthiest we could be, partly because of education and knowledge, but also access to anything, really,

whereas historically, let's just go back to a film about the medieval times, those that had access to the food, overindulged in the food generally, would become overweight, would process, possibly die young because of overeating red meats, beer, like all of those things and just overindulgent, whereas those, the gap between those and those belief them was greater. So it's either overindulge or malnourished. Obviously, that's not the only part of the spectrum, but I feel like that gap, because of

processed foods and cheaper foods and access to food, I feel like that gap has kind of diminished a little bit and it's more now on obviously financial pressures as well but it's more on education and choice of the foods that you eat now. I don't know because like it can be it can be cheaper now to have an unhealthier diet.

Like you can go into a shop and buy a multi-pack of chocolate bars and you can't buy a bag of oranges for the same price. Do you know we have like cheap, cheap food is quite available that it isn't good quality food. What do you think, Anna? I can see where the statement comes from. And when I interviewed healthcare professionals around weight

and weight stigma and stuff like that, a lot of comments came around from a generational perspective. So like our grandparents had a healthy relationship with food. Our grandparents ate better than I do and things like this. So I think it's a bit of a double-ed-ed-sword, probably like Rob saying, it's, we've got the potential to do something, but for whatever reason we're doing something else. But, and if you look at like food supply, there's been research done to show that we don't even have, if everybody wanted to follow the health, the healthy food guidelines, the eat well guidelines in the UK, I know this anyway. We don't actually have enough food to supply everyone to do that. So we need huge shifts from the top down to make any changes.

So we have responsibility. Everyone has personal responsibility to a certain extent to look after their own health. But at some point that also needs to come from a top-down approach. So I think where I don't agree with the statement is when people assume that natural it is better. Yeah. And I think that's why a lot of people say, well, if it grows in the ground, then, you know, you can eat it. And it's like, well, hang on a minute. You know, who's got an allotment these days?

And a lot of people do tend to be shifting that way. But again, I think lifestyle at the minute has a big part of playing everything. If you look at the step count, you know, like it's always being 10,000 steps aim for that, which again was just a marketing number. Now we're seeing people's activity decline. So the recommended number is now about 8,000. But again, it's always individual. But because generally our activity as a population is reducing. So it's always like looking at what we can do, what we aren't doing, why not?

Yeah, makes sense. The caveman diets included meat and animal organs, fish, shellfish, especially near coasts and rivers, wild fruits, berries, roots, nuts, seeds, wild vegetable, leafy plants, insects in some populations, eggs when available, honey when they could obtain it, other wild plants, including some grains and starches. And hundergatters weren't automatically malnourished because of their diets. Many had access to diverse nutrient rich foods, but they were vulnerable to periods of food scarcity, seasonal shortages, infection, parasites, injury and nutritional deficiencies. Evidence from ancient skeletons and teeth can sometimes reveal episodes of physiological stress or nutrient problems. so I think I would I'd rather have the drive-through McDonald's 100% yeah 100%

yeah you don't want to go out and punch your food no I I do you know what I don't I sometimes sometimes I find an inconvenience even to have to drive down to little to pick up my food to pick up my microwave meal that I'm going to you know what I mean we'd be dead Colin I'd be dead but there's no way I'm making the past

33 years of age back then like we live longer than than any other generation you know yeah because look at the advancements in medicine and everything

you know like again we're so lovely to have those things I just I think that there is a lot at our disposal

almost too much like Rob says you know we've got so much information and everything and it's like what are we actually doing with it

do you want to know back then what the average life expectancy was 27 very good go on Rob give us a guess

well because you said good i'm going to guess 27 very good i'll be different in two 25 yeah 20 to 35 that's a wide number 20 to 35 that's mad that's great we'd be all dead my life's just started like three

yeah we'd literally be all dead and you know we're complaining about our health if you look at if you look at it sorry if you look at Like Sri Lanka, you know, there's a reason why the Mediterranean diet is the most healthy diet and has been proven to be the most healthy diet for the last time of many diets. Like they have much healthier lifestyles, healthier access to food. They have more active lifestyles.

There's all of those things that go. And siesta's and more church holidays and a more relaxed view on work days. Stress is low. Eat later in the day. And usually eating is a social event as well. that the isolation aspect of health is reduced because you actually enjoy the process of eating cooking.

Yeah. So what are you saying then? You would rather live in Sri Lanka. Oh, I don't know about that now. South of France? South of France. Spain, yeah. But you know the stress coming, Jare. Yeah.

Was there not stress back in the day you're trying to hunt for your next meal. Oh well, Karen, like, while it'd be raining outside and you'd be in the cave while I go off, while I go off and hunt our dinner, I'd probably eat bits of food away from you and bring back other stuff. So, right, here's a question for the tree is that would you prefer, like, do you think, is it more of a net benefit or a net negative that we have availability for, food 24-7.

I'm going to say negative, but I'm going to be fine. Now, so you set out your stall. Trying us to go for it. Yeah. I think because of the lifestyles that we live, the stress, everything else, I think generally having access to food the way that we do isn't helping people or is hindering people more than it's helping people. Well, here's my rebuttal to that, though, is just to go back to the life.

No, actually, I can't do that because that has more to do with then just nutrition. Actually, I dispute what I was about to say. No, I was going to say, I was going to say, okay, so we could say that access to, you know, food 24-7 now, obviously that's a, and including lifestyle and that more sedentary lifestyle, it's contributing to obesity, which is contributing to a large amount of deaths. But then on the flip side of that, like if you look at the life expectancy of not, haven't access to food 24-7, you know, we have a life expectancy of 20 to 35, which even people who, you know, eat themselves to death, they still potentially live even a little bit later

than that. That's kind of what I'm going to link to what I was going to say before in that our ancestors may have overall been healthier as individuals, but there were less of them because there was less access to food, maybe. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Or is it just our health care now? Well, that's why I was... Rather than our access to food, it's...

Yes, yes. That's why... The simple thing of, like, brushing your teeth and not having your teeth rotting from the inside your head. 100%. That's why I was going to revert what I was about to dispute. And I was like, actually, she may be right. It's a hard question to answer, isn't it?

Because obviously, I can say back, like, again, ordering a pizza and chocolate cookies from, like, Papa Johns or Domino's at half two in the morning and it says it won't deliver until half three. So you have to set an alarm so you don't fall asleep. Was probably a negative. It's not how pathetic we are as a human. But at the same time, being able to do that is pretty class.

It's great. It's great. But we're so like, we actually, if you do, like, if you put all that stuff in context, we do have things, you know? We're way too easily. So here's a question for you, is then. what part of like a caveman diet would make sense in modern society? What do you mean by would make sense?

So like would make sense. Like it's like what part of of that type of lifestyle dietary pattern? What? If you had if you could take that from there and add it into what we have now. If you had if you had the ease of access to food that we have now, that we have now and put it into like the caveman parameters

then the the kind of less access to like or less need of processed foods. Like the diet is a pretty good diet if you had access to it. Like you're eating lean meats,

fish, you know, fruit, veg. You can't argue that it's not a bad diet overall if you had easy access. to it. So you'd bring them the quality of the diet. It's the quality. It's the quality of the diet is very good.

I think if we also kind of had that kind of mindset around food, like from either war rations or caveman diet and all that, we'd potentially have more of an appreciation of the food that we, when we eat it. So we might have more positive relationships with food overall and kind of look forward to eating it. and kind of respecting the food we eat, rather than just going,

I've got food there, I'm just going to shove that all in my mouth. That's a little bit. Anna, what do you, sorry, my brain just went somewhere else. We all do. It's been a while as it can.

Anna, what do you think, here's a question for you, what do you think humans, let's say the way that we're looking back at like a caveman way of living and their nutrition and their eating patterns,

And we're looking back at what, you know, they didn't have and what they did have. And we can say, obviously, we have access to food 24-7. We have ultra-processed food and processed food. And there's net benefits to that as well, even in things not going off and just having enough calories for most people on the planet. What do you think we will look back on like 10,000 years from now and say that we were getting completely wrong about nutrition? Right now. Like if you think about all the things we've figured out compared to like people who lived back then, you know what I mean? I think it's how we educate people about it.

I think we're going to look back and go, we had all this information, we had all this knowledge. We've had generations, decades of generations before us who did things wrong or we're figuring things out. We have like Rob said the perfect opportunity to get everything right and we're not. And I think the missing pieces education around it. And even if you think about the shift, we've had quite a recent shift from that scarcity mindset. So like my grandma was rationed in the war. Her kids were then binge eating because they were rationed. But then I was also rationed because of my grandma.

So, you know, I developed those scarcity tendencies around food. But we've gone, I'd say, in the last 10 to 15 years from now having this abundance, but we still have an element of scarcity mindset. So I think we need better education around food about food, a relationship around all these things. that allow us and support us to then have a healthy diet. So do you think then that will like manifest itself out into like every person on the planet having a quite a healthy relationship with food so they don't feel like they need to you know, overconsume because of that scarcity mindset?

Potentially yeah, because I think if you look at like JLP1s as a perfect example. So like we have almost this is really redundant. but we've almost created a obesity problem, right? This wasn't a problem however many years ago for lots of different reasons. We've created a problem. We now have a solution to a problem. We're still not utilising that solution. We are using that solution and it's creating another problem because people are using it who don't need to use it or they are using it because they have a poor relationship with food and themselves and they are using this as yet another yo-yo diet and quick fix and that's absolutely not what it is. So we're now in this really dangerous ground where we're going to have more

health problems and we're seeing this as a result of deal. We're on misuse. So what do we, we've got all this stuff around, I suppose. I'm like, what are we doing wrong? Why don't we do? My favourite quote of all time from Thomas Sol, no solutions only trade-offs. So do you think even if we like create that solution, we solve obesity, we solve, you know, everyone's relationship with food, everyone has education.

Like, is it possible to live in a utopia of nutrition? probably not because I think like anything will just create another problem so what's the point you know that to turn this into philosophy let's just give up existentialism this is an existential podcast all right it's one of it's like there's no point in trying to seek a perfect answer for everybody that like that goal is unachievable because it like a perfect diet will only it won't even be perfect for the individual that's consuming it because day to day that's going to change

month by month is going to change the point is surviving and being able to do the things we want to do whilst progressing and keeping each other healthy and happy that's the point of having a good diet right to be able to live your life and do it well there's no there's not going to be a perfect solution and like you say solution there is no solution because there's always going to be a drawback to everything that we fix. What can I ask is what you think about, again, it's not a simple answer, but what would you say is the main reason

why people struggle to have a healthy diet or how healthy, you know, overall diet pattern or whatever? What? Personal experience, if you were to look at, for me, it's food relationship. Because if you were to look at quality of food when I was growing up, the quality of food was quite high. So the meals you were eating.

Maybe the portions were more getting ready to go to war than being rationed during war. But certain processed foods were restricted to a level that created unhealthy relationship with food. So that led to a binge eating cycle with those. So that's, if you were to look at our diet just on paper what was eaten, It would be a high quality level of eating. Your quality wasn't effective, but your relationship with food or not. Relation of food is affected. Did you repeat the question, please, Anna?

What I think is like one of the, what's a main barrier to stopping people accessing a healthy diet or carrying out a healthy diet? For me personally, not to be narcissistic, but for me, mine is, I'll kind of forget to eat sometimes. or I'll get so stressed that like about stuff that's going on in life around me, like based on work or the feeling the need to go to the gym or to socialize or to shop or to, yeah, all of those different things. They kind of create a bit of a barrier in my head for going,

I should probably go at the shop and I need to think of, I'm going to include this in my diet, this is my diet, this is my diet, and then I'll overthink that and then I'll just pick something up anyway just to be like, right, I made that decision after I've eaten this. Then I'm like, I don't need to think about food anymore. I'm going to now do the things that I was stressing about in the first place. So, short answer. But me and maybe people like me, sorry, to put people in that box, stress, like life stress.

Culture. Culture. Yeah. That's an interesting one because I think that's like very part of a hustle culture, hyper individualistic society where it's like, okay, we're constantly on the go. we actually don't have time to sit down and have a meal. And I don't know who, I don't know if it was Robert Jerry who said it earlier about,

you know, being able to sit down and have a siesta or to sit around the table and have food and use food as a, as a celebration and be able to sit there for hours and eat and chat. And obviously, like that's going to have huge health benefits, not just nutritionally, but,

you know, physiologically as well. I think there are places in the UK that do it really well. But for me, my kind of experience of food is, It's almost like a computer game. You're going around and doing all these things and occasionally across this.

It's a task that you need to do, not a celebration. Yes, it's a tick box. Yeah. That's interesting. Whereas I, like if I go abroad, like you have to Greece or France, and you sit down and there's this big celebration around food.

They do dance. They include music. And it's just like, this is actually what I want from my food, not for it to start singing to me, but like for there to be this experience. Like I just sat down in the cafe downstairs and took my book downstairs

and ate my breakfast, had a coffee and just sat and chilled, chatted to the guy that runs the place. Lovely. I just kept thinking, what do I need to do next for the next few weeks, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm like, wait,

you're doing the job you're doing, but the purpose of benefit and other people, of course, as well, but to fund a lifestyle that is what I'm doing right now. So why am I not kind of present and just enjoying this moment rather than thinking,

what do I need to do next? That's a good answer. Yeah, and I think that's the thing with food. It's often at the center of everything, but it shouldn't be the center of everything. So it shouldn't be your everything. Your whole life shouldn't revolve around food, but our life positively does center around,

you know, food centers in the middle of it all. And that's a positive, but you should be able to go to that experience and, you know, like whatever it is, say if it's a celebrate your meal and food is that, you know, everyone gets together around that meal. However, what we're celebrating is X, Y and Z,

and you've seen a friend that you haven't seen for ages and all of those other things come into it. But if you were just going out to celebrate on your own, it would be miserable. And if you were just going out to celebrate, or just to sit and have a meal on your own, it wouldn't be as nice, you know? So I think we've got to marry all of that up.

And then I think culture's a big, yeah, big thing. there. Yeah, because, but like even in terms of like the, like the tedious meals you would have throughout the day, right? So you're saying like, I'm trying to rush through this basically meal so I can get on to the next task and you're almost rushing them meals as well or skipping them, which we know a lot of people, a lot of, a lot of their problems with nutrition. It doesn't even come from like a nutrition standpoint. It comes from an organisation standpoint. It comes from they're skipping meals because they've so much things to do so they don't look at food as something that's a priority or their meal as a priority to them because they're trying to look after everyone else and then therefore

I don't know they get to the end of the day they're wiped out they go for something easy and high in calories and you know not very nutritionally dense and then that accumulation of them actions puts them in a position later on that they're not happy in or that has health consequences so I do think that that rushed society not being able to sit down and have your meal and be present and thinking about that next task or a next thing that we have to do like that's actually that that does contribute to a weight gain society yeah 100% yeah and if you think as well like it's unrealistic the other side of things to say about every single meal you have to sit and you have to enjoy it have a celebration exactly yeah yeah you can't do it all

but it's like if you're so stressed that food's an inconvenience and then you're worrying about it and then you're sitting down and you're just grabbing things and then you feel worse and then you're comfort eat and then you feel worse because you've comforted eat because you've got to feel guilty and make up for that food then it's that vicious cycle but if actually yes some meals are going to have to be convenient that's the way that our lives are at the minute but if you're not getting any enjoyment from your food like we don't just feel full because our stomachs are full so I think for me getting enjoyment from your food every single day, not every single meal, every single day is something that a lot of people are missing. I have a philosophical moral question for you. The only kind that I like. Okay, so I asked Anna earlier about looking back 10,000 years, the type of diets and nutrition that we have right now. If with Super AI, they create a pill, a little red pill that you can have once a day that hits all your calories and your macros, your design. designed calories, macros, micros,

and you don't have to have any food and your health is in perfect condition for your nutritional targets are all matched due to this. Is that a good thing or a bad thing and why? Oh, right. I'm going to take that four days out of the week, or five days out of the week,

and then three days I'm going to enjoy myself. you know I love food I love cooking food love the taste of food but to hit my targets having a couple of days a week where I can just be like right fucking job done and then the other day is then

just do whatever I want Grant this is a very like convenience versus connection debate I think yeah I think my concern with that is the connection to it and the it's like the removal of the chance to build resilience around structure in your day.

So it's one of those things where, yes, it's convenient and it will make a lot of people healthier, quicker, possibly longer term. But you then, you're, it's like with delivery apps, everything becomes convenient. With dating apps, everything becomes convenient. And then it's like your stress is then a focus. focused on other more menial things when actually the joy of life is those things that are essential for life, like building relationships, enjoying food, maybe being involved in structuring your own shelter and things like that. All of those survival things, having a connection to those,

I personally feel is essential for living life properly. And if you remove your input to those, I think mental health would plummet. Why can't we get our connection from something other than food and use that pill to hit our nutrition targets? I think we could, yeah. And there are probably things that we neglect because of the stresses around food, especially when people are struggling financially. So I don't think there's a yes or no answer to it personally. Does it sit wrong? Does it sit right with you?

Is there an opposite grammar to that? Does that sit wrong? Maybe sit wrongly? Is it incorrectly? No. Does it make you feel icky? No, that's even worse. Go with poor grammar.

Don't say that. It gives me the... It gives me the... I'm exiting this. We're done, right? Anna, I want Anna's thoughts on this. I almost feel like that's... Well, no, we don't get that with JLP1s.

I feel like for a lot of people, JLP1s are an opportunity to just switch off the desire to eat. But it's obviously you're not getting your nutritional value from them. I'm going to say no, purely because the enjoyment that I get from a coffee on a morning, I'm not getting that from anything else. Like, nothing hits like food for me. And go on. Question, just because we're taking this pill,

that doesn't mean we can't eat the rest of the day. It just means your targets are going to be hit. Well, I want. No, I think that's too easy. I think it has to be. Well, well, there was no problem. What I would say, what I would say, Chair, is that because you've created this, remember, once, there's no solutions only trade off. So maybe creating this, AI, creating this pill means that there's less need for farming and stuff like, and, you know, agriculture. So therefore, there will probably be a reduction then in Littles and Aldi's and all that stuff. And there will be more. pharmaceutical pills for you to take in your little water square living tiggy-be-jigger. What kind of fucking future are you looking at? I've watched The Matrix many times. Yeah, it doesn't sound like this. On a personal level, I wouldn't, I wouldn't for my own enjoyment.

And I get what you're saying about connection. You can get connection in other ways. You can get, you know, that endorphin rush in other ways. but on a societal level I hadn't even thought of that like the world would go to shit if there was no food production I'd like it for a Monday man

like my Mondays are going to be 6am and finishing it 8 I think I'd like the pill This is why we have to die off I think because we won't be able to accept that's sort of a future I think if connected to that

if we had that pill that ticked off our micros and macros more people would be more likely to survive obviously there's illnesses still but with more survive those farmlands are going to be almost pointless we're going to have more there's going to be more houses

there's going to be less nature and we're all going to be miserable not to go black and white like already fucking miserable yeah exactly I'm miserable enough let me have some green grass still please well you could

that you don't go out and touch I don't know I thought it was a very good question anyway I think it's a very good question. I think it's great food for thought that if you were given an easy option, however you had to sacrifice something else, would you do it? Yes, and my link, like the easy option is that actually a good option, like dating, food delivery, like work being online from home.

What I would say, going back to you talking about your stresses of the day and having to hit your tedious tasks of having lunch, taking that pill will give you more time to get. out in nature to go for that walk to, you know, do the things that you want to do with your day. I do agree, but I think I would benefit more from just developing some resilience. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me play down this. We're going to have to leave it soon, but let me play down this, um, logical consistency or inconsistency. Okay. Do you find that being able to get an Uber halfway across the city is,

more convenient to your life than living in the Stone Age where you would have to walk for four hours to get halfway across the... I'm going to do a quick yes and no, and then I'll let someone else speak because I've realised my caffeine's kicked in now. But I think it's kind of like the food thing. If you have now access to these places that are further away, like when I went to New Zealand, just a plane rather than an Uber,

plane to New Zealand, went out, And because I was in a new place, I explored the area and I was like, bloody hell, this is nice. And then I was like, wait, there's nature in England, isn't there? I just don't go and see it because it's on my doorstep.

Whereas, like, having that access to go somewhere else reduces your appreciation for where you currently are, potentially. Depends on your mindset. So you're saying that being able to travel halfway across the world was a net positive? I would say, net positive because of how I interpreted it and how it's changed my appreciation.

Was it a net positive and convenient that you were able to do that in a couple of months rather than taking you, I don't know, let's say 50 years because there's no planes or cars? I think it's great, but also there could have been a net positive from being forced to stay where I am, develop deeper connections with the people that are around me, appreciate the nature and the area that's close by, and have that extra depth. rather than the breadth of seeing where. Have you not moved five times since we've known you? Probably, yeah.

But then that's great, great highlight, though. I've never really felt connected to an area, and that's made my life net. My life is great, but that's had a net negative impact on my appreciation. But throughout history, humans have had a desire to travel and to seek adventure. So, like, that's just innate in you. I think, yeah.

So it's never a year. yes or no thing. Like it's not you shouldn't like if you don't travel your life's going to get better or if you travel all the time your life's going to be better. I think it's an awareness of appreciating all of it.

Let me tie this back to the nutrition. Someone else speak. No, I need you, Rob, because you've started this now. So okay, but the convenience of the airplane and saving time has means that you have been able to

be open to these adventures, this experience, and also create the self-awareness that you needed when you came home. Agreed? You would... Go ahead. It helped. Yeah. It helped. Okay. You may not have been able to do that back, you know, three thousand years ago when you barely had a horse and carriage.

No, it would have been like one of those typical movies where you're told, don't go over that mountain because the end of the world is there. Is there a case to say that, okay, if you see, solve the time gap and convenience of your nutrition the way you've solved the time gap

and convenience of your travel that you could then potentially be open to more experiences, opportunity and self-awareness like you are with your travel as you would be with making your nutrition convenient through your super AI pill.

There's no solution to any trade-offs. No sold. Go ahead Anna. You know I see as well though we we have made things more convenient and look at us. Great. Also. We're fucked. I think we just need to stop questioning stuff all the time and just enjoy it.

Oh. I don't know about that. We don't ask questions and be curious. But I think everyone, not everyone, but the regularity of curiosity can also be detrimental. So like, be curious, learn a bit, but also just enjoy what you got. I know what Anna's saying though

in terms of if you solve the problem of time then you have more time with your thoughts which is why we have a mental health epidemic well I just think though if you look at like how much time you actually would spend on a day to day basis like thinking of well not not say thinking of food cooking a meal you know you can have a nutritionally complete diet enjoyable diet and not spend that much time on it

are you actually going to use that time for something that is going to better your life because I think What a lot of people lack is purpose. And I think that is where people will procrastinate a lot, whether that's that you get rid of food, you get rid of something else, you get into relationships. Like if you don't have purpose in your life

and you are getting rid of stuff and you're creating space for something else, you have to use that space. So I think we've made everything more convenient in life, like food, you know, healthcare, everything. But why are we not then utilising that, that, you know, I do think it's a positive. I think if we could make everyone healthy,

nutritionally, fantastic. but what what's next? Yeah, there's a lot. There's a meaning crisis then. You've no meaning to your life. Anyway, we'll leave it all that positive though. Jared, do you have final words to say? Yeah, I should call this pod points, pills and potatoes.

All right, I thought that was a very good conversation. It didn't go where I was expected to go, but that's good as well. All right. It feeds into the next podcast, which is English versus Irish. Yes. We'll have a quick. Okay, before we go, actually, a unified Ireland chair? If England pay for it for the next 100 years, yes. Otherwise, no, because it'll crash our economy.

Robert? Whatever brings a net positive for society. Oh, fuck off. No, you colonise and whank bag. No, no solutions only trade-offs. Well, if it is, I don't know enough about it. but if it is okay i'm going to ask you on the context of of you being an englishman would you care would you care if northern ireland and the republic of ireland unified and it wasn't part of great britain

anymore if it makes if it benefits other people then yeah i would care about that but i don't know how it would affect me positively or negative might affect you might affect you as a taxpayer i don't really know um i don't really know anna Yes, I would care. I... She wants to keep it on it. It's okay. It is okay.

She wants to keep the counties. No. No. It's too probably long winded to get into now. But I think, yeah, whatever is going to reduce the conflict between the north and the south. It's really to do with the unionists up north. They're going to be the main, the side. So, yeah, so, boy, yeah, all right, we'll leave it there.

Well, no, let's not let's, let's, let's just go into, let's, let's keep that now. Let's keep it. Jair's just trying to, you know, cause more division anyway in this podcast. Anyway, thank you very much, folks. These have been wonderful, wonderful hosts. Thanks, goodbye. Or any host, or whatever. Thanks, Anna.

Thanks.