The Uneducated PT Podcast - Episode 116 - Free Speech, Polarisation, and the Kirk Shooting

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

🎙️ The Uneducated PT Podcast – Episode 116: Parasocial Ties, Political Violence & Public Controversy Hosts: Karl O’Rourke & Ryan Eveleigh In this wide-ranging episode, Karl and Ryan dive headfirst into some of the biggest social and political conversations shaping our world right now:Parasocial Bonds & Grief – Why do we feel such strong connections to influencers, celebrities, or even fictional characters? The lads unpack how validation, resonance, and even loss (like parasocial grief) can shape our emotional lives.Charlie Kirk & the Culture Wars – From his mainstream conservative stances to the shocking events that ended his life, Karl and Ryan break down the rise of Kirk, his influence on U.S. youth politics, and the tragic assassination that shook American discourse.Iryna Zarutska’s Story – The heartbreaking case of a Ukrainian refugee who fled war only to lose her life in a random act of violence in Charlotte. What does this say about safety, justice, and the fragility of life?The Sadia Khan Controversy – The self-styled “high-value woman” coach facing backlash over leaked messages and questions about her credibility. Is she another online grifter, or a misunderstood voice in the messy dating-coach industry?Free Speech & Famous Quotes – Did Voltaire really say “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”? Spoiler: no. The guys explore the myth behind the quote and why free expression matters more than ever.Getting on the Ballot in Ireland – Politics closer to home: Karl and Ryan explain what it actually takes to stand for election in Ireland, from local councils to the presidency.

Back in action. We got, we got cut off, but Ryan was just telling me about how he is back in the, in the mother, would you call it the motherland? The motherland. Hell yes, bro. This is kind of human kind. Yeah. Yeah, what I was asking was like, obviously being in the UK for 10 years and then moving to Thailand after that and then like coming home, obviously nostalgic and everything else. like does it feel does it does does does living in south africa for people feel like

like it does for people in europe like everything is going to shit no does it not know yeah that's interesting isn't it it is because you know what the deal you know is better than the deal than you don't right so the problems that africa are so so evident and apparent yeah um that people just are like okay well we know there's corruption here right and we know like how to deal with that right and we know that x is leading to y etc so it's easy to connect the dots and wherever you are if you can connect the dots you'll be okay right you know what i mean you can oh this makes sense whereas in europe it's very cloak and dagger it's very slow and clever and it's like a slow jrneby peters and says best

it's a slow encroachment on your freedom so like one step too close and you'll be like hey stop And they'll be like, oh, okay, I'll stop. And then they'll wait, they'll wait, they'll wait, and then you'll settle down and they'll step close and you'll be like, stop. But by that time, they've already interested, instant, until they're right in your face. And like England's pretty much like, it's turning up to act a lot. And it's mimicking very much North Korea.

I shit you not. No, I completely agree. And we'll get into that as well because with even a few examples. I suppose Europe reminds me of, you know, the, the, the person in school who isn't straight up in your face confrontational, but like wants to give sly digs every now and again and then acts innocent when you confront that person and kind of like gaslights you and like, you know. It's the bitch.

It's the class. Yeah. It's the, it's the, I don't, what's the word I'm looking for? It's like, I would rather someone be like, you know, straight up in my face saying, I don't like you. Or, uh, you know, at least. knowing where you stand with them kind of thing. Yeah, like, I'd rather, I'd rather song just like, like,

come on and be like, hey, I think you're a cun. And I'm like, thank you. Yeah. You know, like, now on the way we stand where it's like, hey, I think you're a really nice person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this person is a fucking asshole. Exactly right.

Yeah, it's like they're really nice to your face and then behind, and they're scheming your demise from behind your back. That's my kryptonite. I cannot stand that. And that's, that's like, I used to say this to English. people I used to say it all the time I guess you guys are too polite right you're too polite oh how are you doing and I would literally just say in English people do you actually care and they would be shocked oh and I was like what I'm asking like do you actually care you know but I mean I don't mind I don't mind people

like just being polite like hi how are you la la la but what I hate is what we've seen all over the world now is like people pretending to be morally good people while also like just being absolute, you know, yeah, white nighting. Terrible humans. And I think that I, I suppose we'll probably just go straight into the first topic because

there's nothing that we're not going to cover on this new series of, the Springbok and the Shamrock chat. And I suppose I, you can't not kind of start with like the Charlie Kirk assassination. And like speaking on that, it's like, you know, what I find really interesting.

And obviously, like, I was in the gym when it happened and I walked out and I seen it on my phone. And I was like, pray for Charlie Kirk. And I was like, what? I was like, dude, I know. What? And I was like, they shot him. I was like, that is insane. I seen, I seen.

And this is also, it was such a disturbing thing as well. Like, I took me two seconds to go on to X and I seen every single. Like, like, I was scrolling down for a good three or four minutes and every single video was just hit him, him getting shot in every different angle. and like it was graphic it was like and i was like wow that is like my human brain shouldn't be able to just like watch that straight after work and then go home and you know have a cup of tea and just act normal and i was like yeah i was i was a bit shocked but then what i wasn't surprised about unfortunately was like the reaction after of like people like celebrating and like like did you see all like the ticot videos of like the the TikTok rock brain like um just lefty teenagers who were like kind of celebrating it and saying yes

charlie's dead ha ha ha ha and i was like you know like and they are the people that pretend to be on the good side yeah it's that classic like you know and i'm not gonna really well fuck it i don't care rip charlie kirk i'm gonna carry the banner here liberal and conservative kind of thing right the whole premise of Charlie Kirk's thing was, yeah, he got a lot of gotches, but he would go to university campuses. And he would say, look, let's have a debate. Let's have a discussion. You think this, I disagree, and that's okay. That's the freedom of speech. And it would just drive, you know, the people with the woke mind virus absolutely insane, you know, and he still did it. People would abuse him on the mic and stuff like that or whatever, and he would still do it. And

what bugs me is like how weak do you have to be that when someone presents an argument whether you agree with it or not that you're like actually you know what fuck it I'm going to shoot this person you know it's it just baffles me and the reason why I say I'm referring to a liberal and conservative here is the liberals have now just basically fucked themselves hard and what's going to happen is you're like a conservative backlash, huge, because they try to shoot Trump, right? And now they shot Charlie Kurt. And go look at Biden, go look at Obama, all these people, never, no assassination attempts, not nothing, right?

Which is how it should be, in my opinion, right? I don't like, of course. Like, you know, we shouldn't be trying to assassinate people. Yeah. To even say that sounds asinine to me to actually say that out loud. It's like we shouldn't be doing that. but it's it's it's it's people's skin yeah has become so thin that it's like Carl thinks this Ryan thinks this oh that means you know what what we have to kill each other now yeah yeah I will

say now what I like that is that is a lot more that is a large part of of the left I did end up finding like there was a few kind of political commentators like they're kind of like kids who like debated Charlie and other people in the you know like the Charlie versus 25 libs and stuff like that and then where debates and there was a there's a kid on there who has like 2.5 million followers and like he goes around the campuses uh debating conservatives and Republicans and he debated Charlie a few times and like there was a great video of him like he he he was reading it in in real time because he was live streaming or something like that and he ended up he was crying and he was like

this is not it this is not what you know like politics is supposed to be about being on the other side so I think there is there is decent democrats who have you know moral clarity about you can disagree with people's opinions

and not wish them dead but I just think most of the left is a cesspool for for these type of people which is which is unfortunate. I actually, I'm going to share with you the substack article

that I actually wrote on this because I think it kind of sums it up pretty well if I can find it. So basically, let me just go on to Subscriptions. So it was,

I wrote an article basically saying disagreement is not hate, all right, which, you know, pretty obvious. So there was, There was this Democratic,

senior democratic state assembly woman, her name was Melissa Hartman. And her and her husband were basically gunned down in Minnesota about three months ago. And this was obviously politically motivated as well. So I think it was some sort of a conservative basically killed this person, killed these two people and they shot two others as well.

All right. And, you know, when someone on the right goes and shoots someone on the left. I think your first initial thought is going to be, that's terrible, that's awful. And I said like, you know, most, most people respond as any decent person would to, this is terrible, this is awful, we must condemn this to someone being murdered, essentially. And then President Trump came out and goes, such a horrific violence, such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America. God bless. the great people of Minnesota, which is, you know, like nobody taught, okay, oh, well, what's their,

what's their political views? Like, like, like, trying to justify why why them to Democrats got shot. But if we flip it the other way, right? And I had this argument with people on social media. It was like, you know, they keep trying to justify Charlie Kirk getting assassinated because of his political views. So there was like this neuro neuroscience woman who I follow and she was like oh well he believed in gun he believed in like

the right of the hands yeah and basically trying to justify oh he got shot because he believed this for like when it's like on the other way it's like it does not matter what your political views are you have a right to express them without getting fucking shot

exactly and let's make a clear this thing here that people who are probably listening may miss and it's not the presumption that anyone is stupid it's just clarity right it's not liberals or democrats whatever you want to call them conservatives right left right whatever it's the extremities of either side yeah who have the loudest voices and they're actually the minority right but and and i dude i woke up this morning right I shit you not. I woke up this morning

and I was going to unleash a thread about Charlie Kirk being like because my feed all these like people I follow right who never post anything about you know

Charlie Kirk or any all of a sudden it's like you're trying to get all jumping on the Charlie Kirk train right and I was like what the fuck the only reason

the majority and these are people who may be into something totally, totally irrelevant to Charlie Kirk and have never spoken about, never spoken about politics, nothing. And they jump on his death like a flight to shit because of likes, views and engagement. And it drove me, I was watching. I was like, I know this person. I actually know this person and this person is talking about it.

They never talk about their views. But here they are doing this because it's hot news. and I'm like, look, I get it, it's hot news. But by the same token, to riff off someone's death, to get engagement, it's just fucked and it's extremities. That's really what X is as well. It's like the amount of people that were just like so happy to just continue to share like someone being murdered on their feet.

I was like, you know, like his wife and kids are probably in the hospital now and people are just sharing that video. And there was also MSNBC, which is like a left-leaning news outlet for her. And I think they had like some terrible take. Like, oh, we don't know if it was actually someone who shot him. It could have been a conservative just shooting off their gun in the air because that's obviously what like, you know,

right-leaning conservatives do, you know what I mean? Like they're a bunch of hillbillies who just shoot guns in the air, willy-nilliant. Do you know what I mean? And it's like straight away they're trying to, they were trying to change, turn the narrative on, oh,

this was, this wasn't, this was their fault, not, uh, you know, just a cowardly murder or assassination. It just blows me.

It blows my mind. And the reason why it blows my mind is not, your political leaning is literally irrelevant. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Exactly. And that's what, that was the whole point of my substack.

It was like, it doesn't matter if you're on the right or left. Like you condone, you know, them two, uh, uh, politicians in Minnesota being killed and you condone Charlie Kirk being killed.

And to be fair to Joe Biden, who like, obviously I don't like, because there is no place in our country for this kind of violence. It must end now. Jill and I are praying for Charlie Kirk's family and loved ones. Do you reckon he actually wrote that? Or you got... Well, obviously. Obviously, it was probably written for him.

But, like, I mean, there needs to be a standard from the top anyway, even if it's, even if it's like, you know, what it is... They've got to bring it to them. bring people together may they have to because the whole premise of this is division division division and that's why that's why it's like that it's that msnbc it's so toxic like it's it's it's propaganda masqueraded as news and it's like you like someone has after being killed and you are trying to spin the story already to demonize the other side but like where's the humanity because you know what the charlie kirk's like they take his messes like

out the equation because she's probably dying inside, but let's just put it to the side for a second. His son or his daughter, does he have a son or daughter? He has a one-year-old son and a three-year-old daughter. Okay, so his kids are going to grow up and one day bullying at school happens to everyone. Yeah. Well, that fucking happened to me. I assume it happens everyone, right? One day a kid at school is going to pull up that video of his father being shot in fucking neck.

do you know what I mean? And what really frustrates me is people want to make this divide and go, okay, left and right. It's like, no, it's the extremities. And Charlie Kirk wasn't extreme, right? He was just like, hey, I have these views, right? Debate me on them. Go for it.

You know, but it's the loudest voices from the smallest minority of extreme individuals on both sides, conservative and liberal, you know, that then scream, scream, scream, and everyone's like, shut up. We really, really aren't bothered by you screaming and, you know, virtue signaling. And then they get harbored resentment and then it turns into fueled hatred and then it turns into action. And the truth is, do you know what that all stems from, bro? And people are going to hate you just saying this weakness, like mental weakness. Yeah, yeah.

Like you've got to have a mental stronghold. You know, if someone says to me, well, Ryan, you're like, and this happened all the time, right? You're right. You're white. So you must be racist. It's like I could get really angry and then I could go and, you know, seek vengeance or whatever. Or I could be like, that's what you think? It's no emotional control.

Like, why didn't you learn to control your emotions? And if that's a thing. That's just being taught. That's what actually being taught schools. It's like people are being taught. And this is why you've got to, like I say this with my clients, be very careful of operating or feeling. Right? Because your feelings can deceive you.

Yeah. Right. So like acknowledge how you feel. but don't necessarily act on it, right? Because of that. Because if you, like, and everyone goes, you know, safe space. Feelings matter. It's like, yeah, they do, but you don't need a safe space to go and scream your fucking lungs out.

Control yourself. Why? Because if you can't control something as minute as that, it's just an incremental step up, up, up, up, up until you get someone who's chilling on a roof, aiming and shooting. you know and what and this is me being a bit of a like conspiracy theorist but you know what I'm finding that a lot of conspiracy theories are now becoming true well they're always they're always conspiracies until they come true until they come true right exactly is it didn't happen with liberal presidents you know and the reason why I'm mentioning presidents is just because Trump obviously got

nailed, right? Got a lost a bit of his ear, got a bit of Evander Holyfield, you know what I mean? But I just, it all stems from a place of lack of control and then being told that that's okay. Like, it's okay to be like that. And then because they have that lack, that lack of control, they, they turn, and that's why I said disagreement is not hate because because they don't have that lack of control, they turn everything into, oh, that is hate speech.

Oh, that is you attacking me. Yeah, they'll spin it. Yeah, the distinguish I made was the right often sees the left's views as misguided, but still views. And the left too often brands the right's views as hate and therefore are worthy of violence. Violence like we've seen two days ago. Yeah. And like for anyone listening, right, this is why liberals are so important and so conservatives. The liberals tend to be, um, tend, right?

it's very much changing now on the geopolitical spectrum, just so everyone's aware, but they tend to be the thought leaders, the innovators, like, hey, we want to try something new. We want to bring in something new. And the conservatives are usually the people who are like, hey, we don't, not we don't mind, but we're going to go back and forth for this new thing. But we don't want to lose our morals and like our essence. And that's what balanced it out, right? That kind of debate you would have, right, between liberal and conservative that allows society to move forward. but now it's become this war zone, this like political war zone where if you think, if you're a conservative, okay, well then you're a Nazi or then you know, yeah, you know what? Oh, you believe in

gun control? Okay, cool, go shoot people. Wait, what? Hold, hold, hold on. If that's in, in the constitution and like, you know, that's what you believe, etc., you're allowed to have a gun, but it doesn't mean you're allowed to pull the fucking trigger whenever you want, right? That's the premise of the American Constitution, right? It's literally based on that, which is like, you know, you have the freedom to bear arms

because you have the control not to just go and start, you know, dropping shots into crowds. Shooting innocent people. Yeah. There was a great, there was a great tweet that kind of summed this up because they wanted to turn this into a conversation on gun control rather than, you know,

an absolute lunatic with a gun. And someone, I can't remember, remember who was but they tweeted like what was it was like oh yeah please please give up your guns so we could or I'm surprised I'm so shocked that the conservatives

don't want to give up their guns to the people who keep shooting them and it's true it's true like it's like why would I want and there was a this is this is this is going off on a completely different tangent but I was I was on I think it was on Instagram

and I ended up following this Irish lad who lives in New York. And his page is all about like warning you about different kind of AI threats and stuff like that. And he was talking about how everyone needs to be really safe because what they're, there's plans, there's these plans for people in the city to, you know, come together as a group, use AI and ring all the police stations in the city and just do like fake call-ins of, you know, people. people need and murders and break-ins and stuff like that. And while they're doing all them fake calls, they're gonna actually go in and break into houses and obviously, you know, take things off people and stuff like that. And I was like,

well, like if something like that was to happen, right, where you had like a sophisticated system where you could call in all, you could call into all the police lines and they didn't know what to do, they completely shut down. Like you could have anarchy on the streets. Well, that's what happened in.

Durban. Really? Yeah. So in Durban, this is a while ago. I can't remember what it was or what happened. But basically, Durban is in South Africa if they're no wondering.

The police were just like, nope, we can't do anything. We can't, you know, enforce the law to the point where literally people were sitting on their walls with shotguns. Wow.

Like the birds, being like, okay, if you're coming in my house, I'm going to shoot you. Yeah. You know what I mean? So then it's like,

okay, in my opinion, if there's a mob marching down the street and the police ain't going to do anything or the response time is too slow, whatever it is, and you have the right to bear arms and look after your property. Absolutely. I'm like, I'll be sitting on that wall. I'll be sitting on that wall. Yeah. And that's why it's like I, like I don't know if I'm like pro or Andy gun laws. I don't really know. Like I've heard really good, really good, like, convincing aspects to both sides. I probably more towards do bear arms. But like when you hear situations like that, I'm like, definitely bear arms. Give me a shotgun off. Did you know what I mean? So. Think about this, bro. What happens if there's a mob of people rolling down your street and you don't

have arms to bear? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What are you supposed to do, bend over and spread it? Yeah. Yeah. So, that's. So when you when you when you when you when you position the argument like that, um, I'm like yeah, 100%. And I suppose like the left the left lane side is like, oh, we'll protect you or the government will protect you. But it's like, oh, no, no, thank you. I don't trust the government to be protecting me. They don't give a shit about you.

This is that people make the mistake, right? And I was actually speaking my parents about this. And this is why I don't vote. because you are going to pick either way a serpent, you're going to pick a snake. And people will always come with the same argument, which is, well, you know, I prefer this snake to that snake. Yeah. And it's like, well, how much do you really know about each snake? Not nowhere near enough to make an informed decision.

Right. And voting and voting polls and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, there's all sorts of things about rigged elections, this and there's all sorts of things. what rigged elections, this and the other things. There's loads on that. I think to, well, this is just a talk, and I haven't thought about it too deeply. So if I'm incorrect, like, allow me to be incorrect.

But like, I have, I feel like. No, I'm going to shoot you, bro. I feel like to vote, you have to have some degree of intelligence to what's going on in the world or what's going on in your country. Or like, even to be able to pass, some simple test because you know what you've so many people who are voting who don't actually have a clue what they are voting for and and I think that can be quite dangerous as well but then at the other side now when I think about it I mean there's a lot of academics

and intellectuals who I think are so extreme in their views and it's gone so far down one side that maybe maybe I don't know I don't know it's a true dude like it's a trick one with the voting situation and I'll tell you why it's not because of the people it's because of the politics and this is why I say to people politics is so Machia yeah right and and to summarize McAvelianism it's the attainment of power by any means necessary yeah right like McAvelli said the infamous quote which is like if I had to choose between being loved feared I would choose the one that's most effective feared you know um if I'm loved, it's just a bonus.

And I'm a bit like, hmm, okay. And you can look at it in the UK, for example, right? You know, when Kirsta Stama was on the campaign trail, I promise this, I'll promise you that this is going to happen. I promise you that this is going to happen. Now, that's to get, you know, gain popularity, gain traction, etc., etc. But then when it push comes to shove and they're actually in the pulpit, so to speak, do they follow through?

no never they don't you know and and it's it's so frustrating because the power actually lies with the people imagine if everyone just said you know we're not voting yeah but like i mean like at the same time like if i look at the the the previous election in the states like the like of the of two kind of bad options i would always have preferred preferred that you know the people voted for Trump and kept and had Trump back in rather than Kamala Harris like I think if it went down the other way yeah we would even though we're in a bad position I think we would be in a far worse position so like at the same time I know even when there's there's only bad options I mean you still it's still best to pick the the least worst option and I'm thinking of that in

terms of Irish politics now is like there's so many like it's very hard there's the presidential election coming up and it's really hard to actually get into the ballot and they make it really really difficult so they can just keep the like the main parties with their candidates and they're where people are trying to get like independent candidates in people who will actually talk about things like immigration and housing and the things that people actually give a shit about in this country and it's really hard to get one of them candidates into the into the election um it's kind of like similar to like I think that in America would way like you can be you know a democratic or a Republican but you know an independent party is never going to you know get to make make the

election and and win and I think what's the criteria like like why is it so hard to enter the ballot in Ireland like what's what's to like rule like you need to get like 20 um to get on the so basically kind of like they have it I think you to get like four different um basically four different how we we we call them counties we're basically kind of like uh areas and it's really hard to uh yeah four local authorities so four local uh county or city councils um which is really really difficult because most of them um will be part of the main parties which is like uh shin feign uh you know finigale finna fall so it just they they make it Yeah.

They make it. There's also you need 30 signatures from voters in your constitution or yeah. Like they they just make it excessively difficult. Now I understand that you have to make it you have to make things kind of difficult because you don't want just anyone going in and running like like Connor McGregor's tried the road and it's like to be he's absolutely hated in the country. He's been in court like 15 times like for multiple different things. It's so funny.

And like I know that like I know that like I know that. like in some cases like you'll have the left calling like people like sexual predators and stuff like that but like to smear their name so they so they don't they're not successful in politics but he literally is like it's been like quite extensively proven but he just doesn't care and then like all the kind of right wing european and americans don't really understand mcgregor more so than the irish people do because like like Ireland's a very small country everybody's heard a story everybody knows a person you know the man um so they all think he's He's kind of like, he's kind of like the Trump of Ireland,

when he's definitely not. But yeah, like, other... You know, I've heard things about Connor McGregor. I've heard all sorts. Like, when I say I've heard things about Connor McGregor, like, didn't he open a pub or something? And, like, people said his whiskey was really shit. The Irish said that.

I've never drank his whiskey. But he has, I've been on his pub once. It's actually quite a decent pub, to be fair to him. but yeah he oh really is nice yeah it's a decent pub like it's lively it's it's it's it's good but yeah he's he's just

like the Irish have kind of a joke about him they say like Conor McGregor's a Brit pass it on because like the word if you're Irish the worst thing the worst insult you can be called as a Brit so that's kind of like it's funny because when he was like you know when he was like the athlete that he was

and when he was winning everything everyone was like straight on the Conner Gregor train because it's like oh deadly one of us is is at the top of pinnacle sport and but then he's kind of like he's punched like 70 year old men in the head in a pub because they wouldn't drink his drink and like just yeah there's just there's just there's just there's just a accumulation of things that like you know and I'm not a I'm not a like as much of an anti Connor McGregor as like at the majority of Irish people especially on the on the left like liberal women hate them

they hate them um i don't hate them but like oh shit i could imagine actually yeah yeah yeah like but i don't hate them but i definitely uh would not like to seem as as the president did that of it like that would be if connor mcgregor is uh if commoner mcgregor becomes the president of ireland like i'm in a i'm in a simulation that's that's what i think you know bro i'll be honest i kind of think we are in a simulation i think we might be i I genuinely think we might be. I wanted to go on to, because obviously we were talking about Charlie Kirk and stuff like that. And I think if we talked about some of the things that he spoke about,

it would be interesting into going into the poor Ukrainian woman who got stabbed in the neck. On the boss. Yeah. So obviously, like one of the things Charlie Kirk is criticized for wrongly so, in my opinion, is like his pushback on critical race theory. So like he, you know, he talks about, you know, white privilege and D.E.I and he basically calls them like Andy White. And we've spoke about this and I presume we both agree with that sentiment. 100%. Yeah. And then if we look at that then and we look at like, okay, there was there was there was a lot of comparisons to, you know, that woman on the bus who got stabbed in the neck for no reason. And I can't remember the name of the of your man. But like, he has. had like 14 previous convictions. Like he was like his,

even his mum warned the authorities about like his behaviour and stuff like that. And like he was just let out and then he just does that heinous act. And did you see the video? Yeah. Yeah, it's horrendous. And then everyone's just sitting there

looking at her while she bleeds to that. No one even tries to put their hand on her or tried to pressure, put pressure on to kind of save her. It's just, it's crazy. I can speak from actual experience because I saw my friend get stabbed to death. You know? And it's it's fucking horrific.

But what just baffles me is how can anyone defend the whole immigration thing and what's got a fruit? Let's use the UK as a perfect example, right? I just don't, I just don't see a defensible argument there, right? like multiculturalism is great it's not a bad thing but it is if you go it's like me going to your house being like okay this is my house is my rules now bro yeah you'll be like what uh no dog it doesn't work that way sorry you know what i mean so it i just don't understand and you know what it'd be cool if people could drop it in the comments the air thoughts on this but how is that not seen from

from every, every angle as like, that is a sheer fuckery. It just should not happen, you know. And people go, oh, but they need asylum. It's like, okay, well, then go to send them to their neighbor. Go to send them somewhere else. You don't need to send them to a country which you're going to try on purpose change. You know what I mean? And not for the better to the point where people are just so ashamed to,

to be Irish, to be English, to be this, that, or the other thing. And you know what I mean? And it makes no sense. And how the hell that guy was on a bus and not in prison is beyond me? Well, that's the thing. Like, obviously, I definitely think, you know, stronger immigration policies, stronger borders. But also, and I don't know if, like, the Carlos Brown Jr., 34.

for and but like as well as that is like stronger um you know prison sentences and you know keep bad people in prison you know like stop letting them out because like when you think that oh you know we're trying to we're trying to help these people to change their lives and blah blah blah you're putting other people at risk by being so lenient with your with your prison sentences and be super stringent with the innocent yeah 100% and What really bothered me the most about this was just like if you, and this is why I brought up the Charlie Kirk thing about DEI and all that stuff. It's because like if you look at the difference between that Ukrainian girl who got stabbed versus George Floyd who there's isn't a wink of evidence that that was racially motivated. Cities burned down for him and, you know, the politicians took a knee.

like the amount of mainstream media tension that happened over that okay and there wasn't there wasn't there turned out to be not a smidge of evidence to say that it was racially motivated or that black people are proportionally um uh penalized by uh white cops the the the evidence is very clear on that the data was showed on that um yet you look at this ukrainian woman who has been stabbed in the in the neck there wasn't a single article made for her for mainstream media and the reason that was is because

you know she was white and it didn't suit the narrative that they wanted to tell and it was only true it's only true social media that she got the attention that she deserved but like to riff off that social media thing I think part of the problem is these it's annoying because it's part of the problem

but you've also kind of got to deal with it And what I mean about deal with it is you kind of got a role with it, but do it in a certain way, which is these little short clips that bathe people. Yeah. Like uninformed people who are, you know, and look, being uninformed, you're not a bad person to being uninformed, right? Okay, so let's make that abundantly clear. But if you're uninformed and then a little clip drops by on your TikTok of, you know,

Charlie Kirk, you know, nailing someone in a debate, and it's like 30 seconds on, you're like, oh, that guy's such a fucking idiot. And it's like, well, hold on. Hold on. Actually, do your due diligence on this first. And it's that whole like quick social media thing. Like I even said in one of my real, I did an experiment on this, which for a whole week, I spent one hour a day purposefully going on my explore feed

and just doom scrolling on purpose to see what would happen to my brain and everything. And I journaled it and everything. And I noticed that the quick fix of dopamine, when I didn't have it, it made me lose focus. It made me not want to read as much. And I was like, this is insane. This is absolutely baffling. And it's all about on social media.

And this is where the whole premise of, you know, the UK is doing this thing where they're trying to control the social media. Have you noticed? I don't know what it's called again. Yeah. They're adding in the hate speech laws that basically, it's just a cover up for basically suppress on people's speech. It's,

it's communist. You know that, right? Yeah. By definition, by definition, yeah. Like proxy definition, everyone can Google it. It's literal Marxism and communism.

Yeah. And guised under the sense of freedom, how dare you? Like, how dare you, bro? You know, it just blows my mind. And then that means, okay, well, under hate speech laws, which one or two or a group of people who are on

the same side will make, then means, okay, anything that gets drift fed to people is controlled. You see? So it turns into this giant, which is exactly what's actually happening. This is not a conspiracy. Say up of cool, we're going to drift feed you the stuff that's going to wind you up, that's going to get you rather, that's going to either, you know, divide, divide. Because the more divided you are, the less inclined, like I said earlier, we're all allowed to be like, you know what, none of us are voting.

Yeah. Because we don't like any of you fuckers. You're all, you're all just as bad as the other. And the pattern, this is what, this is why I always say this. And people get very frustrated when I say it, but I really don't give a shit, which is a person is smart, but people are stupid. Yes, agreed. Right. So if everyone, if me and you said, okay, me and you aren't going to vote, let's get everyone to jump on the same bandwagon with a genuine argument of, look, no one who's coming in.

the government is going to be good. So don't vote. See what happens. Create a power vacuum. Right? Don't vote. But people, there's always, at one point, it's just a bit like, oh, I'm going to vote. Thinking that, and for example, this is proven.

You know, when they show you the ballots, it's like, oh, this person's two points ahead or one point ahead or one vote ahead. You know what the situation are not true. They usually like 200 or 300 or 400. So when they go, hey, your vote matters. It fucking doesn't. right? Your thought isn't going to swing the election. You see what I mean. So what bugs me is the power lies with the people, but the powers that be have convinced you that you have no power,

that you're devoid of power because you can't group together. Liberal, conservative, left, right, come together and just be like, you know what, we're not doing with any of this shit. Look, we have difference in views, difference in opinion. Cool, but you know what? We're not doing. We're not doing with any of this shit. cool but you know what we know that at the top there's this corruption there's bad stuff going on so nothing well i think i think what makes it even more difficult is even if like like i would i would agree with like small governments like in you know in in an island we'll call them county councils like so you're you have a you have a counselor who looks over the the community and you know they were to by the people yeah voted by the people in the community you know you know that you know your local

counsellor you know him you've spoke to him you see you can see him you can see his face and you can talk to him like you can you can bring up your uh your concerns to him and the problem is that they don't have any power now because like even if something's happening like they'll bring it up in in the doll in the irish government and you know it just won't get addressed and now even more it's like the irish government don't have any power because they've brought that up to the e u and it's like people are being impacted by policies from people over in fucking Zurich in Switzerland or wherever, you know. And it's like, like that does not make sense. No, it doesn't make any sense.

And the best thing to do, right, is have a look at, for example, the big businesses, millionaires, billionaires. If they start to leave the country, you know it's going to shit. Yeah. And then people are going to go, no, that's elite. No, it's not. Right. It's because they, in the UK, they had it's like there's, there's been an astounding amount of, of our migration,

millionaires that have left the UK. And I don't blame them. Well, exactly. Why would you stay? You're going to get taxed out the ass. You're not being made a priority. The people aren't being made a priority. So you leave, right?

Because you have the power to leave, right? You have that sovereignty with the wealth that the person is accrued. So look at that. And they go, okay, well, these people are leaving for a reason. I look, I may not be there in that tax bracket or whatever, but they're leaving for a reason, right? Well, everyone's suffering.

Everyone suffers them because they pay the majority of the taxes. Exactly. Right? And you've got to remember, the more millionaires and billionaires and stuff that are in your country. More jobs. The more jobs, the better economy, everything, right? So it's not about, oh, you know, they're a billionaire. Fuck them.

It's like, no. This is a pivot point. And you learn this as school. It's called outward migration of the most able. So people who have the ability to go, they go. you know and you've got to look at that and think okay there's clearly a reason as to why this is happening you know and in the UK this is why I say like English people stop being so polite because you let people stop on you and then you get angry so don't let them stop on you in the

first place you know all your hotels are being filled and with with people who say they don't have jobs but they like deliveroo drivers and Uber drivers and this that and the other thing taking away the jobs from actual people themselves. Now, if those are people who are legally there, legally, that's totally fine. You know, like, for example, the richest people in America are a minority. They're Asians. Yeah. They're a minority in the Asians.

So if someone comes to me and says, okay, you know, we don't have, you know, equal opportunity. I'll go, bullshit. I'll just call it. This is absolutely balls. then how come the biggest minority in the US has the most capital. Yeah. It's a victim mentality. That's all of this.

Yeah, it's victimhood. And like if you don't buy into the victimhood, then you're an oppressor. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that makes no sense. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, victimhood, anything that's not victimhood, now you're an oppressor. That makes no sense. Yeah, it's kind of, it's really to do with, like, it's not to do with race. it's not to do with political opinion like like deep down it's not to do with any of that's

it's essentially to do with the halves and halves nuts yeah literally and it's the bitterness yeah yeah that's what you know and the resentment and it's like i'm gonna get you somehow you know like that bitchy you're a bitchy person in school yeah it's like i'm gonna get you somehow and it's like you're kind of chopping of your nose to spite your face yeah you know what i mean it's why they all fall into of things that they can't change from halfway around the world. It's because it makes them feel like they have some sort of power or some sort of, you know, unity without actually taking any control of their own lives.

Yeah. And you know what bugs me, bro, like, just like being straight out, is the fact that something like what happened to Charlie Cook or what happens to that goal, what happens to those Democrats. Yeah. People do the same thing. They go to social media and they go, you know, I stand with or I don't stand.

Like, mate, instead of talking about making a difference, go make a difference. Like, for example, you writing a blog, being like, okay, I'm ready for what's going to come, you know, the good and the bad. That's making a difference. I'm having the discussion. Yeah. Bring it on. Yeah. Even me, like I'll put it in my car.

I'll debate me in the comments. Go for it. Yeah. You know, because I'm really. Like, I'm more than happy to have that debate. Because if I'm wrong, I'm open to correction. Yeah. Not so.

If you're, if you're wrong, it will. it will show up in your arguments and then you have to go back and and you know re-evaluate your talk process and that was the pride and ego bro that's the thing and that was that was that was that was the beautiful thing i thought about charlie kirk was the fact that like i don't care if you believe them or didn't believe them he was he would sit there and have open debate with anyone about anything and like like that and i and i think why people feel so passionately the about the assassination because such as an assassination and an assassination on him, it's an assassination on free speech. Yeah.

It's assassination on the open forum. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, you can't, if you're an intelligent person and you're like, you know what, I want to have the discussion with people, right? I want to see their point of view and they can see mine and they see if there's a compromise or if they think that this is correct or incorrect or they open to correction, etc. he was the literal embodiment of that because he would go to because you knew the education system

was broken so he'd go to college campuses he would debate uh gender professors like actual professors and and look like credit by crudgeon he would destroy them because everything was formulated on sand not concrete you know and the problem there is like the first i think it's the First Amendment is freedom of speech, I think. And it's like you didn't assassinate a conservative who you don't like. You just made everyone shit themselves as to being like, oh, I don't know if I can talk about this. That's what the scary. That's the scary. Exactly. It's like, oh, we'll people, like now when people go to do these kind of things where people go and they want to speak their mind and they want to say or true it's like you know the cost is the bar the bar has really been raised about what the cost

is to that yeah and like to have to have to have to wear a bulletproof vest to to say opinions to give your opinion to give your view on something like that's insane that's why i think these conversations that mean you have right the springbok and the shamrock right are so pivotal for anyone who listens man because it's like we'll have a conversation and I'm not I don't care if someone goes oh you know I think he's this that I'm like cool let's have the convoy man more than happen to you because I'm not one of those people who's like I'm not open to correction yeah so okay dude if like like I even ask you it's like so how does the actual system work in island because I don't know yeah you know what I mean but I'm not going to sit there and

assume that I'm the high and mighty individual that does and it's not me trying to virtue signal white night but that's the whole point. And that's why I'm so passionate about it because it's like, you've just assaulted the most important thing in the world. And that's people's ability to have a conversation, sentient humans. If we can't have that, we're no better than apes. Yeah. Let's just get sticks and beat each other over the head. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death that you're right to say it. That's a quote. Who said that? I can't remember, but it's like the famous free speech quo. Oh, damn, bro. I hate it when you do that.

because it's on the edge of my tongue, the author. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to death. Oh, was it Voltaire? Yeah, I think that was a spin-off. I think someone else actually... But I'll defend to the death your right to say it, yes. That's a beautiful quote.

It's one of my favorite quotes, actually. Eventually, Voltaire, I'll be so happy. Who quoted that? I'll tell you now. It was... Yeah, often attributed to Voltaire, the French Enlightenment, philosopher. So while people credit

Voluntary, it's more accurate to say Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote it. Paraphrasing Voltaire's philosophy. So Evelyn Beatrice Hall. But you're technically correct. You're 50-50, correct. 50-50, man. Like, at least I got a half-right.

Yeah, I sure you're bound there because you were right. Thank you, bro. And speaking of free speech, obviously I wanted to talk about this, but then something else, but everything else happened in between the week. Since last week that we spoke,

everything that I was going to want to talk to you about, it was like got thrown out because like so much, like, that's how fast pace the society. Bro, I got off the flight. I landed in Ethiopia and I was like, I just see this assassination video.

I was like, yeah, yeah. It's insane. It's like one thing after the next is insane. But it was like, so there's this famous show in Ireland called Father Ted. Like it is,

it's basically about the Catholic, church and it kind of like was like uh it was like a almost like a revolution to then like not have like because the catholic church kind of had its grips on Ireland like people were terrified of of it um yeah and it kind of turned it into kind of this silly silly sitcom that was really really funny and hilarious and it kind of and he actually even talks about he doesn't know if that's a good thing now because obviously it went so far the other way that it went you know yeah demonic rather than just like yeah but anyway i'm i'm going on to a side tangent but his name's graeme linahan and he's a brilliant rider like one of the best writers to come out of ireland and obviously he um you

know has extensively criticised uh transgender ideology um and people mistake him for being uh like hateful towards transgender people which isn't the case um it's just the the idea of of people kind of you know pushing you to think a certain way and obviously to keep women's space as safe as possible. But anyway, so he obviously has been putting out

tweets and stuff like that. I think he just finished off a podcast with Joe Rogan. He was living in the States for a time being and when he came, he flew back to Heat Row Airport in the UK

and as he got off the as he got off the flight, there was five armed policemen waiting to arrest him over his over his ex posts and I think he's they basically didn't have anything

he actually went into he actually had to go to be rushed to the hospital because he was so stressed about the whole ordeal but yeah I think I think he's kind of like trying to I think they're going to like sue the sue the government

or whoever they have to sue over it basically but yeah I just thought it was insane that like in a in a country where like knife crime is at an all time high where like you know, people are just snatching bags, left, right and centre that, you know, he was basically being met at the airport by five armed policemen to take him away over sharing an opinion on transgender ideology.

Priorities, right? It's crazy. Fucking mad. And I see, one of his tweets was hilarious. It was like he took a picture of a bunch of protesters and he goes, He captioned underneath it. If a photo, it's a photo you can smell. Basically calling them all smelly.

And I was like, you know what? You might not find a funny. You might find a funny. Might be like bad tastes to some people. Some people won't mind. But like, are you going to arrest someone for like, you know, for slagging you? Like, it's crazy. Yeah.

You arrested a woman for like 20 months or something. or like, I mean, I've had an abortion clinic, you know what I mean? It's like, that's baffling, mate. I'll tell you what she got arrested for. She got arrested for praying beside it. Yeah. How insane is that? Yeah.

It's crazy. It's crazy. There's that Ricky Jervais's quote as well. It's like, how arrogant are you to think that you deserve to go through life with no one ever saying anything you don't agree with or like? He's totally correct. Yeah. that's literal pure arrogance yeah that's that's what it is and like but you know what i think it's i think especially in the uk and uh i think i think it i think it kind of it it triples down to

island a little bit they tried to actually get that kind of hate speech or that hate bill um yeah but you guys fought back quick yeah yeah yeah yeah it was it got scrapped straight away they knew they weren't they weren't they weren't getting it but i think they're going to try again um but it's like it's it's It's so easy to, you know, police tweets and to police what people say online. What's difficult is actually to just go out and, you know, follow up after real crime and people actually being victimized. And that's the problem. And a lot of them don't even have proper training, bro.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's just baffling. And then you have to have citizens step in. Yeah. And sometimes they just don't like that girl who got on after the train and just left it, like, let it leave out. You know, it's just absolutely insane.

But it goes back to that whole premise of like, right now in the geopolitical spectrum, this quote holds the most amount of weight, which is power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. The people at the top will decide what you can say. Nope, I'm sorry, that's not happening. I'll say what I want to say. And if you disagree, you have every right to. And that's totally okay.

What's the issue there? Nothing. And if I offend you, so be it. That doesn't give you the right to justify shooting me in the neck. No ways. You know, it's just, it's hard on the pun. It's killer. Yeah.

You know, it's just, it's like savagery. As I said, you might as love to be chimps. Just let's just go, Mike makes right then. Fuck it. Let's just go bang each other over the head. What? Yeah. Anyway, the last thing that I was going to talk to you about was,

um, uh, this girl's saddie a can. But I think we're going to have to leave that for next week. and maybe we'll go into like yeah let's go to the bit let's go into the bit yeah well i wanted to keep that for uh we're going to do an episode on all on dating dynamics i think so i think we'll we'll keep this episode for like the the political demise of the west and i'm sure by next week we're going to have a whole host of things to speak about because just make sure saddie is at the front party is going to saty is going to be at the front and we're going to go into that and we'll go into the you know um you know these high value women want to coach men while also um you know the side piece and that's yeah it's crazy it's crazy

so i'll put i'll pull up some statistics on uh on the on the on the dating market and stuff like that we'll and we'll get into it but uh so how long are you how long are you going to be home for i'm going to be home until the 19th of october which is awesome um because i haven't some appearance for so long man it's just it's a nice it's a full circle moment bro you hear me talk about all the time you know what i mean Well, it's nice because we're on the same, we're similar on the similar timeline now. Literally an hour difference. Yeah, that's funny.

That's it. I think people don't know that Ireland and South Africa or UK and South Africa and it's just an hour, right? It's an hour difference. Literally, it's an hour difference because you're on the Greenwich Meridian. So if you go north to south, no, don't worry about like jet lag or anything because you're probably going to be on the same time zone. East to west, west to east, that's where you get the lag.

You know what I mean? That's where you get jet. And even for me, like, I'll make sure all my clients were prepared on Monday for the whole week because I said to them. I said, look, I'm flying on Wednesday. I'm going to be jet lag. Right. So I don't want to give you half of what I can actually give you. You know, so I'm actually all prepped and ready to rumble. Let me get over this jet lag and then, you know, hit the ground running there. But yeah, if anyone just for like random facts here, north to south, south to north, you're good for time. east to west west to east you guys are going to be jell like angles are going to be jellacked

you know there we go we got we got we got coffee's on yeah oh yeah yeah bro because it's like 10 o'clock in Thailand is so ridiculous yeah there we go he's got a bit of geography in there as well so uh as well as as our our pessimistic views on life and on politics uh till next time that was uh episode two of the shamrock and spring Bach have chats about basically everything at Adi dig. All right, we'll be back next Wednesday. To talk all about Sadia Khan.