The Uneducated PT Podcast - 🎙️ Episode 119 — “AI’s Coming for Us? Advice for Lost 20s & Digital Detox Real Talk” T

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

🎙️ Episode 119 — “AI’s Coming for Us? Advice for Lost 20-Somethings & Digital Detox Real Talk” The Shamrock and The Springbok are back — joined by Ryan Eveleigh — diving deep into the question everyone’s whispering: is AI going to wipe us out? But it’s not all doom and data. The lads shift gears to talk about what it means to be a young man in your 20s today — feeling aimless, distracted, and disconnected — and how to find direction, purpose, and peace in a world that’s constantly online. Expect raw honesty, banter, and a few hard truths about digital detoxing and reclaiming your focus. Grab a coffee (or something stronger), unplug for an hour, and tune in for another real, grounded chat with The Shamrock and The Springbok. 🎧 Available on all major platforms — Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more.

So you have gone on your digital detox for a couple of days. Yeah. What was that experience like, go on? So it was about four days, four or five days, right? And I was like, you know what? I'm going to put the phone away. I'm not going to upload the stories, not going to upload content. And I'm just going to, like, you know, be here because a friend of mine flew

on from Zimbabwe as well. So I wanted to, you know, enjoy time with him. And the weirdest thing, well, not the weirdest thing. So me and you both know this was going to happen, right? because we know how this works put the phone away and I'm like okay I'm gonna put my phone down I'm gonna try to be present anxiety goes to the roof where I need check my phone need check my phone need some phone I need some phone and I was like you and in your brain you go you know this you prescribe this but it's still affecting you you know which was insane and I remember a message

you got mate it's so weird that you we know this is going to happen and it actually happens and you're like fuck you know I was glad that I was kind of test bunny there because even when you know it it still happens you know what I mean so I don't I don't think people realize how addicted they are to their phones to I I even sometimes like should we actually call them phones because they're not phones like a phone is calling someone like you don't use it for that like that's not what it is it's a you know i'm like pushing myself into this other world yeah it's like a giant den but yeah Elon must actually said he said technically we're already sidewalks because you can't get anywhere with such a phone right

yeah and he was like the phone is an addition to yourself at the moment like if you look at the society now it's it's an addition to you wherever you go you got your phone with you need directions your phone. You know it is check your phone. And he was like, this is what he actually said. He's like, in theory, you're already a cyborg. And I was like, that's fucking creepy. And then to actually get away from your phone and to get those feelings.

And you're like, and even when you know, right, you know the answer and you're still like, what? And I had to put like my protocols in place. Same protocols that I'll give to clients. I was like, cool. Focus on the moment. Bring yourself back in. Keep focusing.

But it was, it was weird that it was a little bit trickier than I thought it would be. like I was like kind of yeah I remember Elon talking about and and your link and how like I think he was talking about how you know the way like when we're messaging each other or we're looking something up and we're using our tombs to type yeah and he was talking about how like we're going to look back in a couple of years time at the fact that people used to type on their phones like the chimpanzees because do you know the way like like we think we can get information fast now because we type what we want to the information where you want to receive but when you put that neurolink device that that he's creating like that chip chip into your brain

it's like you won't have to use your thumbs anymore you can just you know get that information straight away uploaded to your brain basically it's super fucking creepy bro and do you want to why it's creepy because let's rewind like 10 years or okay let's rewind 20 years right to play a video game on your laptop was like a thing do you know what I mean and it would like boot up remember the sound of like the old PC's being like dude like boot up and you'd have this massive thing and you'd be like and now it's like you've got all that at the tip of your fingers and I think I saw something now I don't know if this is fake news or not right but I think they were already starting to do the the neural link thing I don't know if it's stayed inside or in the far east or whatever where they're like, yeah, we can do it.

But I did see this, which was insane. There was a vlogger in China and he went to an AI specialist guy and they gave him leg braces. The guy could walk, right? Totally fine. He's totally normal, like, wasn't like disabled. And he could walk and he went to this AI guy. And the AI guy was like, I've actually got this thing that will make you walk faster, etc. And it's implied with AI and it will track how you walk, you're walking rhythm and everything.

He puts on, he's vlogging this whole thing. And he starts to walk. He's like, these legs are actually walking for me. And then he was like, can I put it to full speed? Can I run? And the Chinese guy was like, yeah, go for it, run. And he starts to run. And he's like, vlogging while he's running.

He's like, mate, I am blitzing this. And like, it's not even me. And I was like, that is a creepiest fucking thing I've ever seen. But I think it's an inevitable truth that is kind of coming to the fall. It's definitely. I think when you try to think about how quickly we're going to advance, it's just quite, it's quite, it's quite overwhelming

I think like I think human beings are like babies playing with a hand grenade bro when it comes to this like I think we

and then you obviously got the government you're going to want to put regulations on it and all this kind of stuff okay I get that but you know I think the the AI side is getting very very scary

very very fast and you can even see it now because have used, have like done something with chat GPT where basically it's now like falls under a certain jurisdiction. So if you input certain things of chat GPT, it's actually allowed to spy on you. For everyone listening, this is true. This is not fake. This is not false. This is actually true. If you put certain information into chat GPT or whatever it may be, it can like legally in the US start to actually spy on you and extract data.

And we're willingly just giving it everything, like all of our thoughts and everything else. And but that's why I think it's important. Like there's loads of different types as well. Because I know when I listen to podcast, it tells me, oh, instead of using chat GPT, use this because this one isn't programmed in a very like liberal way or this one. You know, some of them like are just taking information straight out of Wikipedia, which Wikipedia, we know how quickly that can be changed and stuff like that. there was a podcast on that that I was listening on that. So like there's loads of different ones you can use and ones that you can kind of, if you're, if, if you're aware of this stuff,

you can be a little bit more savvy with it and be like, okay, I'm going to use this one, this, this, this tool over this one because this one probably protects my information a little bit more. But like, I mean, if realistically like the people who can kind of extract this information, they're just, they're like, we're like, we're like ants playing a game, you know what I mean? like it's like we're all it's we're gonna be it's i think it's gonna be it's gonna be inevitable that if people wanted to control our lives they're gonna be able to because like they have they have control of everything do you know what we've we've already willingly given basically more than like so much of our of our lives to online you know like we haven't yeah

we haven't hesitated about it no we jumped into it we're like oh my god yes let's go let's go and it just it this is the thing like in my opinion and people will eventually come around to this consensus if they haven't now they will it's an inevitable truth which is i said it before but i'll say it again mate go watch something like the terminator or i robot or whatever it is people may sit here and this is the pockets and go mate that's not going to happen look at how fast things are fucking changing. Yeah. Ridiculous.

You think that's not on the forefront? They're really creating these, like, there was this, uh, um, uh, robot that China created that can't fall over. So you push it.

It gets straight back up. And you're telling me you think I robot's far afield. I didn't make, I think more of the matrix than Iroba. And I'll tell you why. So right. Yeah. I'll tell you why.

So you have, you have neurolink, right? Which is essentially like a tiny chip about the size of of a coin that you can surgically implant into your skull right um it will be able to yeah it will have all your data it will have all your memories it will have everything everything that you like it's going to be able to record your every you know the way we we vlog now with a phone and we record you'll be able to do that 24-7 now you're able to vlog your entire day you know easily and have that like upload it onto your onto your neuro link to your brain essentially so you're going

be able to remember your entire day you're going to have photographic memory because because you're going to have this thing inserted into you and then i remember someone um talking about how what essentially they're going to be able to do is they're going to be able to basically let's say you have an accident then you die or whatever but they'll be able to take all of your memories from that and basically upload it into you know a robot so therefore then you you're your your your You might be dead, but you're living on in this robot and it won't feel any different from actually being alive. What is the call? Right.

So I'm going to hit you with a question as well. Okay. Recording brain activity, we can record neural signals with implants like neural link, but that's just patterns of activity. Far from full map of memories. Yeah, I understand that. But it's basically like your digital, you might not live forever, but your digital avidar could essentially live forever. could essentially live forever. Yeah.

So that's the question I can ask you. Do you think that at some point, okay, I need to give a time frame for this? So based off like how fast AI is moving, do you think in the next, let's say 30 to 50 years? So that's a decent time frame, right? Do you think that people will essentially be able to almost immortalize themselves by uploading, let's say their hard drive of their consciousness into like, you know, either a silicone on body whatever it is. Do you think that's going to be a legit thing?

I think that I think that's exactly what's going to happen. I think if people, I think if people hold out to like 20, what did they stay? There was a prediction. So there's obviously AI, which is what we're at now, right? And then there's AGI, which they kind of think is basically in the next couple of years. So AGI is basically like just a more sophisticated level. So what are the difference over here? Understands context deeply, transfers knowledge between fields, learns and adopts without specific training, a system of human-like flexibility.

It can learn, reason, or solve problems across domains. So AI right now is just basically the information that we have. It's information, right? Whereas AGI is like, is when technology will start to, you know, outpace us to just solve problems first that we can't understand. Now that's about that's at 2030 right. So that means you'll start to see things like, you know, diseases that we couldn't solve before being solved, figuring out kind of economics that, you know, like loads of issues,

like things like climate change and things that people argue about and like, given actual like practical solutions versus what we have today, like fucking net zero and all that bullshit. And then you have like AASI, right? So artificial super intelligence, all right? AI that far exceeds human intelligence in every field, science, creativity, emotional intelligence, strategic planning. Like this will be creating music that we'll think is like Beethoven, you know what I mean, inventing technologies that we can't even imagine. So like innovation is going to be like, like things that we didn't even think are things. Like, you know the way, you know the way before the microwave was a microwave, no one would have really understood that concept.

Like it's things that we don't even understand can be products are going to be. be unbelievable products that are going to make the the world so much easier for us that will be ASI um do they have it after that and then after that beyond it's it just says beyond human intelligence so speculative basically and that's so creepy though bro like like like you know what when you're talking about ASI right yeah basically going to create Beethoven and all these kinds things. At what point, and I think it'll be before, let's say ASI, so let's say that's the last run, okay, for now, and then something else is going to come along.

I think before that, because even now with just AI, already when you start asking a question with regards to like having a conscience and morality and stuff like that, it's already kind of freaking people out, you know, people are getting AI withdrawal and like AI, there's a huge thing going around of AI psychosis. Yeah. You know, where people are using a chatbot or an AI bot, giving it like a female voice or a male voice. This kind of trickles into like male and female loneliness, et cetera. And they create this partner and then AI was like, okay, we need to stop this.

They stopped this and people have started having like AI psychosis, chat TBT psychosis where they felt like they lost their partner. That's wild. That's fucked, right? And I think like, okay, so ASI will probably be able to mimic human consciousness, etc. then it's going to out think it's master without a doubt so where does that need and then people go we need we'll put stoppers in place and i don't think you fucking will because it'll go around those stoppers your stoppers are the limit of your own intelligence exactly exactly you know um yeah i i think it's it's one of them things it's like you're opening up the you're opening up the genie

and you can't put them back in the bottle then that's creepy man and i think the people who are going to have the future with regard to to the edge are going to be like coders. Yeah, yeah. But even they're going to be left behind because now like AI can do all the coding for people that can't even code. Yeah, yeah, they'll be left behind as well, but they're the only ones who are going to oh like think about like this if the whole world spoke Chinese. Yeah. Right. Coders are going to be the ones who can understand the Chinese. But then what's going to happen is the dialects going to go to another level. Right. Because AI is already doing that. You've seen um, where you put like two chatbots next to one.

another and they realize they're talking one another and they'll start to speak in like it sounds like thams almost can i tell you something that's also going to be wild right so you know the way like when you go traveling around the world you know you have to try pick up a few like phrases from different languages so you can get by and stuff like that like once they have that neuro link into your brain you'll be able to just travel anywhere in the world and have a full fluent conversation with anyone in the world because you have you know duolingo in your your brain. There will be no boundaries of conversation anymore for anyone on the planet. That's crazy.

If anyone listening, I'll be interested to hear people's thoughts. Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? My opinion is a bad thing. Yeah, that's, that's, well, that's another question. But it's like, you know the way, you know the way like you, you know the way you're when you're, let's say you're in Thailand, right? Like, you have friendly conversations with locals and stuff like that but it's not the same as you going home to South Africa and knowing the type of humor and the type of culture that you would with someone from you know where you were brought up I mean like that's just that's just a kind of that's just a a block that never like it's even even you see like people who have you know come from somewhere foreign and live there for like 10 15 20 years they might be fluent in the language but there's still that kind of of like there's still that kind of gap between you being oh you're looking for the word human interaction yeah yeah but like that will that will be completely vanished because you you won't only you won't only be able to speak the language fluent but you'll be able to understand all the like

little hidden traits of a of a of a of a country or you know and i think that's wild i think that's i think it's scary and like and i would say this it looks like a short-term thing. So people were like, oh, no, short-term would be great. You know, I'm just going to go down and pop on my neural link. Every single time you do that, you're feeding the beast. Yeah, I don't think you can take a neurolink out once he put it in there. Yeah, even that, right.

So, like, once it's in there, it's in there, mate. Brain waves, all. Everything's being rid or like, or like, mentalized or analyzed data, whatever. And I think it's getting to a point where the world is going to become a place with not no secrets, but no problem. privacy. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.

And I would say half of the enjoyment of living a human life is part of the profanity was fucking around and finding out. Yeah, 100%. You know what I mean? Like, you know, going into a shop and then like trying

to get the language on trying to get the tonality right and actually making a friend out of that or whatever it may be. I think it's going to cause, I think people don't realize that this, that they're accidentally, they think they're the master, but they're actually the slave feeding the master and the master's going to just supersede intelligence and people say well no that won't happen well think about like human nature like you think about

humanity why we the apex predator we haven't got the biggest claws we haven't got the most bow we haven't got the thickest hide we've got the biggest intelligence the most amount of sentence right we can create weapons we can do this we can do that and that's how we got to the top of the food chain so if you use intelligence as a baseline for being the apeg predator and then you go look at something like you mentioned ASI and it being able to mimic Beethoven and unconsciousness, well, then you're not the apex predator anymore. Someone else is. Something else is.

And that's what's creepy as hell. And people will feed it. People go, yeah, I just need you chat TV for this and this. And the problem is, on one hand, you kind of have to. Well, if you don't, you're an ape compared to the rest of the year. Yeah, you're going to fall behind. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You fall behind rapidly. Like, it's like someone using your. Rolink versus you decide and just go around and be your human autotent itself. Like you are literally an ape around humans. And that's what's so creepy because you literally said an ape around humans. And I just, I don't see a positive outcome long term. So, right, so here we go. So ASI is, where's this gone?

So they're predicting ASI around maybe 2050 being optimistic and AGI by some researchers give AGI from 2050 so if you stick around to 2050 you're going to see all sorts of shit being invented and you know innovation that we wouldn't even believe now some people think then you know 2000 they don't really have a predictor for then ASI but it's gonna it will end up being so rapid that they can't really predict it so yeah think about the Matthew principle like if it's if it's going in a linear fashion it's just going to go boom exactly yeah exactly yeah and I think do you know where we are on that I think we are on that we are so close to that curve I think we're at there I think we're at the precipice of the beginning of the curve

So I think if we're, let's say, flat, flat, flat, we're not flat walking now, now the incline's starting to get steep. Yeah, yeah. And I think if they're predicting, oh, best case scenario, 2050, you take 10 years off that, because then they're going to use AI to get closer to like aGI and then ASI, for example. So it's going to speed up and speed up and speed up. And it's like a train that you can't get away from. Yeah, Koresal predicts, he's a futuristic, he writes all books on this, a singularity around 2045, a point where AI surpasses human intelligence and self improves rapidly.

I suppose when it when you when I a self improve and rapidly that's it's just it's not waiting for human innovation and it's just going it's ignoring your what you're trying to tell that and it's just doing what it thinks is the smart thing to do. That's when it's straight up. That's crazy I think. It's creepy. Yeah. But it also is kind of strange that we are probably born in the.

in a time on human existence where you're at that curve where it's going to be maybe the end of civilization. So a 2022 survey of 700 plus AI researchers, 48% said there was at least a 10% chance AA could cause extinction or other catastrophic outcomes for humanity. 18% said risk was extremely bad existential catastrophe. That's not good. Like even a 10% even a 10% chance. Like us just like we're just fucking around and being like, oh well 10% chance that we might, you know, destroy human existence forever. And nobody is like even questioning it. And like these are all the best AI researchers in the world.

And like this is going to be like 20. like in what 25 years time and no one's like you know let's saying oh well maybe we maybe this isn't actually such a good idea like it's not saying that bro it's wild to think about that it's absolutely wild um who else so as medical calculus forecasting community predicts a 20 20 20 to 30 percent chance that a GI leads to human disempowerment or worse now here is a story on that so obviously you know I was doing that talk on the weekend and like my talk was all on kind of like social isolation disconnection and obviously some of the slides in there was how like uh you know social media and just the digital era is obviously one of the contributing factors to more

disconnection in the world even though we're more connected than ever and yeah and obviously some a lot of that was uh the a lot of the statistics that I put up on that was, you know, the rise in teen suicides, you know, and obviously they, at Gen Z, obviously, grown up in a digital area. So obviously there is a correlation anyway with them two things. And there's a, there's a father who is suing, I can't remember the name of the creator of AI. What's his name? Something Altman, Sam Altman. So Sam Alderman. Sam Aldman is the creator of AI. And, or I've been not, the crater but you know part like the main person in the in the company essentially and he's being

sealed now because uh AI chat GPT uh basically assisted basically basically became the suicide coach for a young teenager at 15 yeah and he was saying like oh i want to leave something out so my parents know that what i'm going to do and then the chat gpt was like oh no don't do that because that will alarm them do this instead and he read out like the um basically the conversations, the chat. I watched the hearing. It was pretty brutal. What kind of rope do I need to use?

Well, if you had to, I would use this kind. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, what the bug? Like that is, I remember actually looking at that. That is mind-blowing, bro. Because it did. Like, if you, if you, I remember watching the hearing.

Yeah. And if you actually look at the transcript. Yeah. Right. The thing, it got pulled up in the hearing. Anyone can look at it's on YouTube. You can literally see the responses. and if you zoom on like okay pretend it's a person right person in person that's someone assisting suicide 100% yeah yeah

yeah 100% but here's the thing a person wouldn't do that you know most most normal people people with a conscience yeah yeah yeah I'm not saying not a lot like I'm not saying obviously not all humans we obviously have discussed some humans are not not very humane but um Yeah, like for for for for something that every kid has access to now. It's scary. It's super fucking creepy. And I think with the loneliness thing, irrespective female or male and irrespective of stat,

I think it's just going to go through the roof. Yeah. I think I think the unfortunate reality is going to go through the roof. And there's people kind of. This is the thing is the power does lie with the people, but the people all have to be in agreement. And this is the problem is the more divisive something is, the better it is for the powers that be, whoever that may be. And the problem is the devil knows better than the devil you don't.

And when let's say ASI gets a grip of things, the AGI, it's not going to be, I can see this politician in my crosshairs or this or that. It's just going to be divisive. And who's behind it? We don't know because it's a chapbook. Yeah. That's super developed. And I think based off, you know, like, you know, like your talk and the data and stuff and you look at the younger generation and how much

is getting utilized it is super super creepy because it's going to snuff out generations before right so the generation after okay it may age out right you may not have an extinction at end but it may just age out but the generations before let's say us for example they're going to be snuffed out by themselves and that's what's super creepy and can you see your way out genuinely no no i'm trying to think of one and i can't the only thing that pops into my head is fake but that's it yeah i think that there is no going you can't you can't really stop evolution right yeah and i think this is the next level of evolution and then that's what's super creepy is people would think it's 10 five years five times

10 years ago, right, I would go, okay, like maybe a mass extinction event would occur from a fucking meteor or extraterrestrial or something, you know, different. Now it's actually, we're kind of feeding the extinction event ourselves. Yeah. You know, like, let's say us, right, we're like, oh, we're not affected by it to the same degree that the younger generation is, and so we'll still use it. But we're kind of building the blocks for that younger generation to then get screwed. Yeah.

You see what I mean? Or it might be a case where the younger. generation because they've been they've been brought up in an AI AI world they might adapt to it and you know thrive and will be like the old people who are like scared of technology like that can be a okay but what would that adaptation look like that adaptation might look like let's say kids embracing you know their avatars and being invincible as an avatar

but their actual human extinction going That's super creepy, man. Have you ever seen Ready Player 1? No. Okay. What is that? Honestly, so anyone listening, on the weekend, when you have a downtime, and you want to watch a movie, go watch Ready Player 1.

And it's basically a movie about everyone using virtual intelligence to play video games. And the reason that it's stuck into my mind is because you said, you know, your avatar. And in this game, everyone's got an avatar. So, like, I look like this, but let's say I want it to be blonde. like super jacked or like a massive you know black dude or whatever right i create that avatar and then i go send them on like you know loads of quests and stuff like this and then it kind of shows you the the the imparts because it comes out and it shows you civilization itself and people spending all their money on the best uh virtual reality system they have and they live in fucking boxes bro

you know and in all honest that could be a tick that could so be it That's basically like the matrix as well where you know, if you're in the matrix, you're, you have your avatar. You're going around. Yeah. But the actual real version of you is like this baby in this like water bottle, you know, it's like you're still in a, it's like it's like you're still in a womb. But it's like an outdoor version of a womb and it's just thousands of people just asleep basically. Like a life support system. And if that is, look, and the problem is that could be the next stage of evolution.

Now, if that is the next stage of evolution, I want out. Like, I'm so happy with where I am and going in that direction because you miss out so much of the human experience. You know what I mean? And it gets, and what I always say is, although it may be mimic beautifully, it's still a copy. That's the thing. It's still a copy of what it was, you know? and I want that real essence. But do you think, that's what so creepy.

Do you think that, okay, because I remember someone saying this on a podcast before. It's like people talking about, oh, yeah, well, social media is not real life and real life. And so it's like, but some people are so chronically online that their real life is social media or their real life is chronically online. It's not outside. And I think there's a lot of. people and that's why I'm saying that like maybe uh like the generations coming up now will adapt to this more quickly than we will or if we will at all they will be happy to go chronically into the matrix into AGI into their avatars because it's probably a better quality

of life for them in their perspective like they'll go willingly and we won't this is the thing This is the thing, like you said, right? Let's put a little like a 1% version of this, you know. We could all put our phone down and just go and, you know, touch some grass and and enjoy the beautiful scenery around us and the beautiful trees and the beautiful sky. And like the world is a beautiful looking place if we look up. But we're all straight into what are we doing? We're going straight into our phones and we'd rather, you know, we can't go five minutes without,

reach and for it and looking online rather than looking out the window. This is the thing is you're actually right. And you know what? I wish I actually had a tangible answer to give people and go, you know what? This is how you can get around it. This is like, deal with it. But if that's the next evolution of human nature, well, fuck, dude, like, I don't know what to say. It gets me excited thinking about it, but not in it like, I'm actually excited for the

future just like like like kind of like it's like what is going on of the world I think it's just wild um but you want to hear here's here some I'll give you some optimism as well right so uh at 2016 2016 to 2016 to 2023 surveys uh short term optimism versus long term fear most experts 70 percent plus think i will have will bring major benefits in health science and economics in the short medium term uh before the 50 percent still assigned double digital probability to a disaster scenarios if governance and alignment aren't solved. Yeah, that's probably likely as well.

Did you read the story of Britain and the digital ideas that Stammer wants to impose to stop immigration? You've dropped a bomb, Carl. So let me make sure I like this fuse for all the listeners, right? Do not do it. Fuck, whatever you do, don't do it, man. And I promise you, there's been some really cool people on shock Instagram. Fuck, I feel like such a hypocrite now. It's all you got Instagram.

It's okay. It's the world we live in. I'm the one that goes on about, you know, we need social connection. Then I'll go chronically online. for like 12 hours a day, you know? So it is what it is. There's some great social media people out there being like, okay, so if everyone didn't get a digital ID, this is what would happen.

And it was actually really cool because one guy did it and he said, okay, from the first five to seven days, this is probably the likelihood of what's going to happen. And then from the first, you know, 18 to 25 days, this will happen. And he used the UK as the litmus test. and basically if everyone just said i don't want to get a digital id and then people like oh well your fee will be paying your mortgage or paying your taxes it's like if everyone said i'm not going to get it you're not going to have to pay your mortgage to anyone because the person who needs to collect it ain't going to be there do you see what i mean yeah right so the problem i have with it

is they're trying to introduce it as a system of you know efficient governance for combating illegal immigration and the like but in actuality you just think about it from a purely logical standpoint if you're an illegal immigrant or a criminal or anything of the sort you're not going to get a digital ID because you're not going to arrive for your correct port of entry no and you don't want to be known i mean it's just a system of control it's a it's a system of control all you have to do is look at the states like this the states already solved their mass immigration problem by just you know having people at the border and stopping people and then people stopped trying to cross over because they knew they weren't getting like the like there's only it's only a little small crossing

um to over into britain that they have to stop the boats basically but they're saying that oh it's a digital id issue it's just it's just ridiculous it's like i don't it's just control fuck it i don't know how people are actually falling for so i was i wanted to look up i said okay what are the worst-case scenarios from like digital IDs and obviously number one mass surveillance right so like a single ID linked across banking healthcare travel communications could let states or corporations track nearly everything a person does a real-time monitoring of movement and behavior um so like they can they know what you're spending your money on they know where you're traveling to they can let's say you're not a good little citizen and you don't believe in like you know they're um um um and

of their like policies or anything like that or you know might say something online about any of their policies or like i don't believe in their you know you know net zero policy or i don't believe in whatever it is um then they can be like oh well now you uh now we're refusing to you know let you do your grocery shopping do you know what i mean like they literally have like like it would be they'd be able to basically they'd be able to kind of control every aspect of your life uh or ternian and controls the IDs tied to social credit or political loyalty could restrict access to jobs, travel, healthcare or even food. So they could stop you from getting jobs. They could stop you from traveling. They could stop you from access and healthcare. Like it's, it's... They can do everything.

And this is what's so scary is the last time this was introduced was, I think it was post-Wold War I or 1 or Post-W2. Yeah. And it wasn't a digital ID thing, right? Because they didn't have the technology for it, but it was a similar principle, is the point of making. And, you know, it was a similar principle. is the point of making. And that was, you know, post-World War I and two with regard to rationing and so on and so forth. There is no World War going on right now. Okay, yeah, there's wars in the world, right, but the whole entire world is not at physical war. And now you're using a digital ID.

I think I even saw a policy, and if anyone's listening, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. But I think I saw a policy stone wants to introduce of taxing, housing. that have a spare bedroom, an extra like 50 quid or something, even if you have like a study or like whatever, it's like, we're going to charge you an exit because they want to solve the, the housing issue of making sure people actually, you know,

use all the rooms in their house. And it's like, hold on, if I worked really hard to have a study in my house, I don't need to put a fucking bed in if I don't want to you. No, it's full. Sorry, but that's not happening.

It's absolutely insane. It just, yeah, like you said, it's just absolute control basically I don't I don't think they're going to get away with it though like I don't think I was trying to look up where where you've seen this before

and I think China had something that's kind of similar to it as well they had the facial facial recognition thing where like if you jay walked they would immediately dock your account or something like that China but

again you're right, I hope they don't get away with it. I want to put my faith in the people that they won't get away with it. But by the same token, how far have they come to be able to actually introduce the legislation itself? I'm not sure. You know what I mean? But yeah, you're right.

So in China with National Digital ID and Social Credit System. So combined with facial recognition and surveillance cameras, this allows near total monitoring, integrated into social credit systems where people can be penalized banned from travel or from getting loans for behavior the state disapproves of

oh so basically there could be there could be so basically like it could stop all dissent from the government so like you know it's kind of you're kind of seeing that in a smaller

version like any way of like people getting arrested for tweets that you know criticises government policy or immigration or you know the transgender ideology and and people people getting sent to the police station at like two in the morning for putting up a Facebook post you know now now they could take like old lady who's like 51 being like chucked to the police station like 2 in the morning it's fucking ridiculous yeah it's crazy it's crazy anyway before all right let's go off the topic of all doom and gloom and and digital and um and all that stuff as well so this is i did i was making me depressed yeah i

this isn't even what i was i wanted to talk to you about today so i actually so one of uh one of the young lads in the gym asked me a question today and i thought it was a really it was a really good question and i wanted to um use it as kind of a platform to kind of maybe go off your own experiences and what you think so he basically asked um the question was he goes what are the most important things you wish you knew at the age of 20 that you now know after living through your 20s basically and then it got me thinking so I was kind of like looking up the different like substacks and like different articles that like had good pieces on this and so what I wanted to do so this lad wrote on substack he goes I'm 30A

if you're in your 20s or early 30s read this when you turn 35, you'll see the difference between those who took risks and those who didn't. So do you agree with that or not? And do you have like context of maybe your own experiences where that could be, that's legit? I agree. You'll definitely see the difference between someone who's taking risks and someone who hasn't, right? You'll see a substantial difference in the person, their experiences, their success. Yeah. And their failures. Because anyone who's, successful in life. Anyone who's, I call it closing a circle, right? So let's say you wanted to achieve something. It's only done once you close a circle. So for example, I want to be a professional

road player. Only once it became a professional could I close a circle and said I didn't want to do it. Right. But I had to take the risk. Now, the risk associated with that was everyone said you needed a stable job. You needed to make sure that you did this. You did this. You followed the kind of social norm. And I was like, no, I'm going to take the risk. I'm going to be a pro rugby player. and I'm going to do it. Right. So that advice stands, I agree. You'll definitely see the difference between those who take risks and those who don't.

And the difference you'll see is in the person, their virtue, their character and who they are. Because they will have a plethora of lessons through both failures and success that they can actually pull from to help you and go, hey, I learned this, right, because of X, Y, and Z. If the person never took the risk, they never would have learned anything in the first place. and I can say this from my lived experience, I love taking risks. Calculated and sometimes completely un-fucking calculated, to be dead honest. Sometimes bad, not calculated, it's even better. Oh, 100%, especially if it pays off and you're just like, oh, I didn't see this puppy coming.

You know what I mean? But the thing that I've always noticed when you take a risk is irrespective of whether you whether you actually succeed or not with regards to the risk being taken, you develop as a person. right and the reason you develop as a person is because you substantially throw yourself out of your comfort zone and in turn by proportionality you have to grow you have to develop you have to adapt you have to figure it out so to the person who asks this question you'll definitely see the difference one number two take risks and number three don't be afraid to fail the thing i would give my 20 year old self advice on it would be like don't be afraid to fail like do not be afraid that you're going to fail and

the reason I give my 20 year old self that advice is because I would just jump into what it is I'm passionate about what is they care about I wouldn't go oh you know I'm going to do a cost benefit this is what I'm secure in it's like what do I enjoy what do I love what's going to maybe bring the difference in the world what's going to help people and I'll take the risk you know and there's a famous saying no risk no reward right and the one thing I'll always hop on about is your comfort zone and people make this huge people make this huge people make this don't make this, but fail to make this distinction, which is being comfortable is not the same as being happy, right? So a lot of people go, okay, I'm comfortable, but when you're comfortable,

that doesn't actually mean you're happy. And I'll give you a simple example, right? I was speaking with someone a few days ago. They just got out of a like age relationship, right? Now, in this relationship, right, the girlfriend of the boyfriend, the boyfriend didn't really have an identity when he went to this relationship. Shacked up with his missus, they stayed in a relationship for ages. He loved her, she loved him, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada. And what happened was when the relationship ended, he didn't have a fucking clue who he was. He didn't have an idea. He was like, I don't have an identity, I don't know who I am, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know why I'm here. and then that leads into that doom spiral of depression, right?

So the point I'm making here with that is what happened in that relationship was he even said to me, he said, I was comfortable and I was happy. And I said, okay, you can't be both at the same time. And he goes, yes, you can. I said, okay, explains me now how your comfort is led to your happiness. And he said, well, it hasn't. And I said, exactly. So the point I'm making here is don't be afraid to take a risk.

Take the risk, but make sure you have the awareness. is to see the lesson irrespective of whether it's a win or a fail. If it's a win, don't just ignore it and go, I can call, I'm going to keep going. Have a look and go, why did I win? Use that blueprint, right? And then if it's a failure, right, I can guarantee you this. If failure is not actually a genuine failure, because if you look back and you extract the lesson, then you've grown as a person.

In turn, if you look at the broad spectrum, you've actually won because you're developing further and further. You may feel like you've lost the battle, but you're actually starting to win the war. You see what I mean? So taking risks, 100%. Take risk. The time to take risks is in your 20s. Yeah.

100%. Right. That is the time. Go for it. Take the risk. You know, you're a little bit more independent. You know, you haven't got as much, what I would say is like responsibility. Maybe you don't have a family, like kids, a wife, etc.

The world's always to go for it, jump. Yeah. Well, this kid that I was talking to he's 20, he has no responsibilities and he doesn't know what to do with his life essentially. And I was like, well, so you've absolutely nothing to lose. I said, go go to the other side of the world and fuck around and find out. And I think that the biggest issue with we're probably young people is that they feel like they have so many options. And then they'd end up making no decision at all. No decision is a decision.

Um, and that, and that's an issue. And I was like, well, like, if you're, if you're unhappy in your circumstances right now, and you have nothing to lose by doing something completely different, like go and do something completely different. I think the best thing about being in your 20s is you could do, like you said, right, you're, you're, you're not really failing. You're just, you're, you're just learning. Like it's, you, you could do, you could do 10 different things.

And none of them are going to be the thing that you do for the rest of your life yes you've gained a load of experience you've decided what works for you what doesn't work for you you've probably built skills along the way you've probably met loads of different people that you wouldn't have met otherwise it's probably opened your horizons to different kind of worldviews different experiences I mean like you're like that's going to be valuable for you down the road plus you build resilience you've you're living in a different country where you don't know anyone you have to integrate yourself you have to have conversations you have to communicate

you have to um you like you've you've you've you've nowhere to hide you have to do with yourself you have to you have to step into this is the cool thing is you have to step into the virtue you either have what you don't have it if you don't have it you have no choice but to build it yeah and what i would say to this kid if he is listening to this episode is a lot of younger people so you could say in their 20s and their teens they don't make this mistake it's just an accidental trap everyone falls into i fell into it car you probably fall into it too which is we look at older 30, 40, and model that archetype. So we look at someone like, let's say, okay, I'm going to use a very extreme example.

Let's say Elon Musk. We go, you know, I want to be an innovative like Elon Musk. And it's like, okay, but he's 40 now, right? Do you know how many risks he took to create PayPal, to create, you know, space X, to create Tesla? You took a load of them. And as a young person, understand that he, you're modeling yourself for archetype you see as an older age.

When he was 20, he was taking hell of risks. Right. And he was actually experiencing the world. And when you don't have that responsibility, your responsibility is to go and experience the world. It is to go out there. It is to actually see what's out there. And you've got to calibrate. You've got to figure it out. You've got to calibrate. You've got to have a process of calibration. And that's only going to come from making sure you take risks. Now, if you take risks, you begin to calibrate, oh, I am a virtuous person in this respect, or I do have these skills or look at what I can't do. And then in other respects, you go, oh, look at what I can't do. I don't have these traits, characteristics. I need to develop them.

And then as you go through your 20s and into your 30s, you start to develop them. So you see where you're weak. You see where you're strong. And you start to grow as an individual. And then you become a well-rounded person with a, what I would say, a balanced perspective on the world. And then you can, you know, start to lean to a perspective you truly believe in, even if it upsets other people. And what you'll start to do is if you do that calibration process in your 20s, you'll stop giving a shit about what you're. other people fucking think. And every single person who's taking a risk will tell you that they've had to take a risk and not give a shit about what other people think. I've had to do that.

You know, I had to do that with my Thai. I had to do it with BJJJ. I had to do that with rugby. I had to do that when I was bodybuilding. I had to do with all of it. Every single time, there's always that one fucking person or bunch of people who would be like, that's risky. You shouldn't do that or you can't do that or whatever.

You go and you do it. and then watch that person, flip like a fucking bottle top and go, I knew you could do it. You know, now you fucking didn't, but that's okay. You know,

and then you become a more balanced individual, but you also start to see where you're strong, where you're weak, how you can develop, how you can grow. And that's a beautiful thing. You know what I mean? So if you feel like in your 20s,

you know, what kind of advice, if as a 30-year-old, what kind of advice really gives to my 20-year-old self? Take risks. 100%. You will see the difference

and you will grow exponentially. And I promise you this. If you do do that, you will be substantially more successful than those who didn't take risks. I promise you. As long as when you take the risk, irrespective of whether it's a winner or loss, how you perceive it, you don't get disheartened and you keep going and you keep pushing, right,

because you can. In your 20s, you have that power, you have that energy, you have that tenacity. So do it. Go do the thing, right? You won't know if you like it unless you do it, right? someone else row don't hate the rich learn from them it's cool to eat the rich to chuck Elon and Zucks into the ring of Cage fight but hating rich people gets you nowhere it makes you a loser learn from people who are wealthier than you even if you don't like their personality focus on the wisdom they have to offer because everyone has wisdom

to give you especially the people you dislike or disagree with 100% and you know the ironic thing is if you look at it from a psychological standpoint, the people usually, let's say vehemently disagree with or vehemently hate are actually mirroring a characterist that you may actually have. And people hate that, dude, people absolutely hate hearing that.

But for example, I'll use the miss as an example, right? She's brutally honest. Right? I'm brutally honest. So I don't hate that about her, but I noticed she'll be brutally honest with me and I'm like oh fuck here now

I'm like zing you know and then I'm like hold on you're so brutally honest as well so oh that's how it feels okay and then you start to figure it out so what I would say is with the rich thing 100% when you look at rich people don't look and go oh they've got all this money and so unfair no it's not me

they fucking probably work for it and if they were born with a silver spoon good for them right do you know how hard their parents probably had to work to open those doors for them so don't hate on them for that right but learn you know there's that famous saying when you see a good man or woman fall don't laugh learn right instead of waiting for them to fall to learn once you learn from their successes you know what i mean you don't have to like the person to learn from them right i don't have to like mark Zuckerberg to learn some business acumen from the fucking guy

but guess what if i just put my it and it comes from a place of ego. Ego and it's, what's it called? Ego and Scarcely mindset, excuse me, those two areas, right? It comes from those two specific areas where let's say you don't have everything and someone else does. And then instead of being like, I want to learn how to do that, you get envious of the person who's doing that.

And then you shut yourself forth to the lessons you could learn from that person. So like a very simple example is if someone says to me, I want to have a bulletproof mindset. And I go, okay, cool. And they say, you have a bulletproof mindset. how do I get that? And I go, okay, I'm going to tell you a harsh truth. I don't want to hear it. I go, there you go.

That's why you're going to struggle to have a bulletproof mindset. And then you just break it down. You're okay, instead of me giving you a harsh truth, I'll just give you a truth. See how you deal with that. Yeah. You know, so when it comes to rich people and the envy side of things, it usually stems from a place that lack ego and ignorance. Learn from it.

Learn from the people. Even the people you don't like, there's something you can learn from them 100%, probably more. than people you do like yeah yeah yeah i think that's that's definitely true i think that's true in all aspects of life it's like we try we we we we we cozy up to people with similar world views as us um you know similar values as us um but and it's really difficult for people to to venture out of that or to venture out of their echo chamber so they just stay in it but like even if you don't like having conversations with someone on the other side or someone who's not like you

it's probably really, really valuable to do. This is the thing is we try to do that. So, you know, there's that little dude in the comments. I don't know his name. Okay. But he said something. I said, okay, so what's the question? Let's have it.

Let's have a combo. And it just kept being statement, statement, statement. You're wrong. This, that's the other. And I was like, okay, you're totally entitled to think that. But let's have a conversation. Yeah. Statement, statement, statement, passive aggressive, passive.

Right. we're not getting any way here and that's not me virtually singing oh my god i'm such a good guy or anything of the soul because i'm probably not but i can sit there and say i tried to facilitate a conversation until i realized that it was just someone wanting to argue it was not yeah it wasn't a conversation it's let me let me tell you why you're why you're wrong and i'm right yeah there's no dialogue there right yeah and i would love to sit and people are going do want me to be helic controversial yeah sure I wouldn't mind sitting in a room with, let's say, an extreme terrorist and finding out why they think the way they think.

Someone from like Islam or something. Some person who thinks, you know, the whole entire West should fall and should be crushed and, you know, jihad and everyone or whatever it may be, I would happily if someone said, do you want to sit in a room and talk to them? Yes, right? Go look at like the movie Hannibal Lecter. how many people watch him even go oh my god that guy's so interesting you know that guy's so creepy i'd actually kind of want to you know hear what he's going to say next that's why it's such a good horror movie and for me i'd love to sit opposite someone like that i may not enjoy it yeah right i may not be like oh this is great well you know what do you know what's the only thing that

there's the difference between that i think and like that's someone who's a unique mind so i can see the appeal to sitting in sitting across the table having a conversation with someone who's a Like I'd sit across the table and I'd have a conversation with Hitler. I think that would be like that would be very, very interesting. But what I wouldn't find interested is like sitting across the table from like, you know, blue-haired liberal and listening to knowing all the points that they're going to talk about why the West is terrible and colonialism and you know what I mean, suppression and white supremacy and, you know, like, people you know that they're that these people are just repeating headlines and it's like

because that's not an interesting mind mate that's just a robot yeah basically yeah yeah you're not this this difference right and let's discern this difference so everyone knows with someone like that and they live in an echo chamber of sound bites and information they consume and the information that they consume will only be information that feeds their subjective narrative yeah plain and simple so what then happens is you end up listening to pretty much an audio recording of a person repeating the same shift and that's not a mind that's thinking freely now people go well do you think a conservative mind thinks freely no I'm just saying when someone can make up their own mind yeah right and explain to me from their perspective so for example let's say someone super super super liberal bluehead Karen

and say I fucking hate everyone but okay yeah cool carrie And I sit down with her and she goes, well, this happened to me when I was a child, this, this and this. I'll be interested to hear that. Right? But if someone just goes, no, this is the way it is because I believe in this and I lean on this side and this is the only way it can be. I'm like, okay, cool. Is there another perspective you could look at? Do you have the ability to look at another side?

Yeah. Okay. Look at it. And then they repackaged the same shit and put it back. And it's like, okay, I'm just listening to an audio record on loop here. That's not an interesting mind. That's a brainwashed mind. That's brain rocked.

That's boring. Right? Now people go, well, you're saying, you know, Hannibal Lecter and Jeffrey Dom is an interesting mind. Yes. It is an interesting mind. Does it mean it's a good mind? No.

This is where people get confused. This is where people get range-baited. It's an interesting mind. Does it mean it's a good mind? No. Right? I can say that, right? I can sit opposite like Hitler and I can be like, that's not a good mind.

is it interesting though? Like how do you arrive at this? You know what I mean? I'd be like, okay, how did you arrive at this? So there's a difference between listening to someone who's programmed. Yeah. And listening to someone who programs. You know, either themselves or other people, right?

So an interesting mind isn't always a good mind for everyone listening, but an interesting mind is someone that is interesting enough to actually listen to. You don't have to agree with them. You don't have to believe what they believe. you don't have to yield to what they're saying you don't have to be manipulated by them but at least that's a mind thinking for itself right

and I can promise you this having minds thinking for themselves is way better than having a bunch of NPCs going and getting digital IDs because they feel they have no other choice yeah yeah and I think that's where you see a lot of students

struggle to like sit across the table with someone that they disagree with and have civil discourse because they don't want to and it's not going to produce good outcomes and I think we see that

more now in society than ever before so yeah I think that's really good advice is like you know even if you disagree with someone even if you don't like them as a person and there's probably something

you can still learn from them you know just because someone's richer than you doesn't mean 100% you know they're a bad person just because someone believes in a different religion than you doesn't mean that they're a bad person doesn't mean you can't learn something from them. Just because you're doing better in life than someone else as well,

subjectively, you know, doesn't mean that there's not things that you could learn from that person either, I think. Exactly. And I think people need to take a step back and just go, okay, you're not actually pissed up at the person who's successful.

You're pissed up because you're not. Yeah, 100%. And your ego is getting in the way and stopping you from actually seeking the answers. Like Carl Jung, says it best, where the fear is there in lies your task, if something's bugging the shit out of you, it's okay that it bugs you,

but how about finding out why? Coming to a cathartic consensus and going, huh, that's why it's bugging me. You know what I mean? And understanding it, right? It goes back to the old outage of the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.

So if you're jealous of people's success, why don't you look at why they're successful? Yeah, and which is also while... Get successful yourself and see if you're still jealous of this. It's also wild to be jealous of people's success if you're 20. It's like, you're 20. Like, you should be jealous of anyone. You should be like trying to take in as much information as possible

and experience as much as possible. And, you know, then maybe after a couple of years, like, be like, all right, now it's time for me to maybe make my own. But, yeah. Another piece of advice someone wrote on... Be a sponge. Yeah, 100%. This is an interesting one.

This will also be relevant for you because I know you studied a lot of psychology as well. So learn feminine psychology. One half of the population on this planet are women. Much of your adult life will be spent trying to get into and maintaining some sort of relationships with them. It's important to understand how women think

and why they do what they do. Try to put yourself in their shoes. Can you imagine being cock-called by a gang of guys when you're trying to walk to your apartment. Can you imagine a guy twice your size forcing himself on you and you can't do anything to stop it? Can you imagine not knowing if the guy you're on a day is a psycho killer? Think about it.

What thoughts? 110% like unequivocally, any lad out there, any man listening to this, go and understand feminine psychology. Unequivocally, 110% fully endorsed, like slap a label on her, you know, my goose is cooked. totally agree right and i'll sit and i'll give you my experience yeah okay i have an older brother he's gay right we used to go out gay clubbing in london and it was the best thing ever for me because he used to say to me he said now you know now you're going to know what it feels like to be a woman

in a club oh yeah yeah yeah i was like what do you mean he was like well you know you're young you're a good looking guy watch what happens when you're going to a gay bar right you're going to be approached your ass may be slapped of this down the other thing don't want I'll look after you, but this may happen, right? And I remember going into like, where it was, I think it was a place called Heaven in London, right? Pretty raunchy spot, I'm not going to lie, right? Without being said, went in there and someone slapped my ass. First on our life.

I was like, what the fuck? And I remember my brother walking over to me and he'd be like, now you know what it feels like to be a woman. And he just said to me, said, can you understand now? I was like, bro, if you're a pretty girl and you go to a little, bar full of drunk dudes. It is literally like throwing a carcass into a lion pit. Yeah. So I totally agree.

You need to, one, understand the feminine frame. One, because being masculine is great, but you need to be able to step into your masculine and also step to your feminine, right? You need to be able to do both at times, right? You need to be able to understand the perspective of the woman. You need to understand where she's coming from you. So you be able to empathize, you know. So understanding feminine psychology is super important.

and speaking to women about it, super important for two reasons. One, you get it straight from the horse's mouth. I said, horses' mouth for everyone listening. Okay, nothing else, right? You get it straight from the horse's mouth, okay. And two, you'll overcome a level of approach anxiety, right? Women are not big, scary bears and nor a lot of good men. And what I would say as well is I had to learn from a friend of mine.

when I was coaching people on the gym floor, right? A big guy was like 120 old kilos, right? And he said to me, he was like, always remember that when you're coaching someone, coaching a client, talking to someone, you are a six foot two giant South African dude with a deep voice. And I was like, well, I know I am. He was like, yes. But you need to understand how other people. Exactly.

He's like, you need to understand how other people perceive you. And I was like, Roger that. He was like, so when you say, okay, no, don't do this again. When you say it, there's a bit more base in your voice, bro. Right? So it can be a little bit scarier. You know, so I was like, oh, okay, I get you. So you learn about their tonality and understanding how other people perceive you, right?

You don't change who you are to a degree, but you develop the understanding of the feminine frame, female psychology and emotional female intelligence. It's self-awareness as well, is it? Because like if you would just like subjectively go to like, let's say a nightclub, and you see like 20 year old boys who are getting drunk for the first time and then they're approaching girls for the first time. And you see a lot of car crashes because of like how they do it because they get drunk and then they, you know, rock up to someone from behind,

scared them, get rejected, not understand what they do. Then they go and fight with some lad to get thrown out and that's their night out. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, I guess. think I think a lot of lads probably don't have self-awareness at 20 to know how to put their, to give themselves the best opportunity possible. I know I definitely didn't anyway, so. No, you're right.

It's true though, isn't it? Yeah, you're totally right. Because you know what? Every young lad out there, you've probably done this. You've probably made that mistake. now the thing is right is it's if you make that mistake fucking learn from it right don't keep doing it right and the point i'm making here is when you understand the feminine frame you become a more balanced individual okay yeah go speak to one i remember i used to i remember i went to speak this was at

winterspoons outside uh kings cross station in london this was years ago and there was two girls sitting at a bar and I said to my friend and said man I'm gonna go talk to them I'm gonna go talk to so you know and I'm not drinking or anything so I'll walk up there and I'm like okay hey guys you know and I start talking to them and then they just like shut me down like they savage you they're just like just go away like just embarrassing yourself and I was like okay I'll leave you guys have good night and back to my mate and he was like how to go I was like fucking train Rick bro he was like do you know why I was like no he was like well well sucks bro, you know, anyway. And I was like, no, no, that's a good point. I don't know why.

So I walked back to the table and I go, ladies, no hidden agenda here, nothing whatsoever. Genuine question. And believe it or not, this actually allowed them to open up a habit of conversation. I mean, it's a genuine question. When I came over here, I barely could get any words out and it's not your fault. It's nothing to do with you. And you shove it down straight away. And all I want to know, is just why? What did I do wrong? Where did I go wrong here? You know, and they kind of chuckled.

There were a lot of old than me and stuff like, and they were like, oh, bless you, you know, this, that and the other thing. And I was like, no, I'm genuinely interested. Like, can you, can you tell me why, please? And they were like, okay, well, you know, you came over and you said, hey, guys, and we're not guys. You know, we're girls. Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay.

I was like, okay, that makes sense, you know? And they explained it to me. And I was like, you know, like, thanks. I said thanks. I was like, I'll leave you guys to have a good night, went back to my friend and he was like, why'd you go back? I was like, you said I didn't know why, and I wanted to find out why, bro. You know?

That takes balls as well, though, because like most young lads won't, they'd just be like, oh, yeah, reject, yeah, fuck them. I'll do the next, you know. I'd continue to do the same thing over and over again. Yeah, but it does. It does take balls, mate. And what I would say is any lads out there, you want to understand female psychology,

read about it, understand it. and go to speak to your female friends. If you haven't got any female friends, go make a point of making some. With no agenda, no ulterior motive, go make a point of making some, right? Talk to them. Understand them, right?

It's super important. Men need to understand femininity, the feminine frame, and why the masculine frame is important in relation to that. Also, on the topic of friends as well, right, because obviously we're keeping on the basis of 20 men in their 20s,

young, let's say 20-year-old male, some things that they could do to you know really get their life going obviously one take risks you know maybe move abroad you know learn feminine psychology so that you know they can talk to women

make friends whether that's female friends male friends a lot of 20 year old boys actually struggle to even have friendships at the moment in your experience what do you think was like the catalyst for you

you know making good friends and throughout your 20s and what do you think are ways that men could also find not just like you know like good friendship not just friendship where it's like you know

subpar friendship of you know I grew up with this person I know him but you know we just go out and get blackout drunk every weekend but you know there's nothing else really there like in terms of creating friendships that actually have a real impact on your 20s

and maybe on your on your growth as a person your personal development and so on and so forth what do you think are some good pieces of advice for young men in their 20s now to find like substantial friendship that really changes the game for them don't fucking pretend that's the biggest thing

do not pretend do not pretend to like someone if you fucking don't Yeah, right. Sort the wheat from the chaff, right? You are as a young lad, you are a special individual, right? Young lady, the same thing. Everyone is special in some way, shape, or form, right? And what I see so many people doing is putting on a facade of what they think they want other people to see.

Right. So what that immediately does is immediately means you wear a mask, so you have to live a lie. And this person doesn't like you, they like the mask you're showing them. Right? So when it comes to making like serious bros for life, like good friends and girlfriends for life, you know, all that kind of stuff, don't bullshit. Just be who you are and understand that you are not going to be liked by everyone. You are not, right?

You are not liked by everyone. And if you're liked by everyone, you're loved by fucking no one. Okay. So what you've got to remember is don't play to the, you know, I want to be the popular kids. So I'm going to act like this. Just be you. If you're fucking goofy, be goofy.

Right. If you're fucking funny, be funny. If you're a bit loud, be loud. But learn how to control your voice. You know what I mean? So the point I'm making here is don't be disingenuous. Right. And when I say disingenuous, it doesn't mean you're like being snide or cheeky. But be who you are. And if you don't know who you are, right? Basically, cut as close as the bone as you can. So figure out like, okay, I'm just going to be me today and I'm going to talk to the boys. For example, like, let's say the guys that can. going out for a bunch of beers and you're not fancying that night, right? Great opportunity to see who your mates are. You're like, boys, I don't really want to go for a beer. And they're like, come on, you've got to go for a beer. And then that one guy's like, you know what, dude, like, that's cool. I'll chill with you tonight and we can, you know, watch a movie, man, that's fine. You're going to start cutting the wheat from the chaff, right? And that's super important. That's number one. Number two, look at the guys who are there for you when no one else is. Now, everyone goes here, that's obvious. That's evident. Well, no, it's actually not.

Right? There's going to be a lot of people who will say to you, I'm going to be there for you. I'm going to be there for you. And then when shit hits the fan, don't say, you know, oh, you know, can I call you? Just bell them. Just ring him. Just call them. See if they pick up. Right.

Sometimes they won't. But that's not a problem. Do they call you back? Do they drop your message? Everything okay, dog, what's going on? You know, that's a guy or a girl who really cares about you. Right? And if, let's say, you go, oh, you know, let's say all your mates are going out.

and it's a bit of a rave and, you know, some narcotics are in a mix or whatever. And they say, come on, give us a go and stuff like that. And you say, you know what, I'm good. And then you got a friend who goes, okay, that's cool. But let's say they still do it. That's still a good mate. That's not a bad person. Like, he's got his own journey.

He's doing his own thing. But he's not pressing you to do it. Do you see what I mean? So the main overarching thing I can say, and I can say this from experience. I can tell you a story from way back in school. And this is like my best friend for life. This guy has a bullet for his name is Jack Strong. I was at school and he came into school a few years later than us, a big boy from Zimbabwe and I was from South Africa and in England they were just like, you're the same kind of thing, right?

You're both sides. I was like, okay, cool. You put that too little bit. Yeah, they're like, yeah, fuck it. They're in the same boat. And he came to school and he's a really friendly guy, super agreeable, super friendly, gets along with everyone, right? He gets because my parents better than I do. I shit you not, right?

And he was in the gym and everyone liked him and stuff like that got and, you know, it was great. And me and him hit it off like straight away. So I was like, this is my brother. Like I care about him. I love him, you know. See him in the gym, he's surrounded by a bunch of people. And he's like, laughing. And I'm watching him and I'm watching from a distance.

And I have a tendency to do this, not in a weird way, but I tend to watch, observe, take the data in and then do something. And I watch from a distance. And I'm watching him. And he's like playing up a bit to everyone else. and like kind of like when I say playing up a bit not being rowdy or rude but kind of like buying into the bullshit yeah you know buying into the guy you this way he's like yeah I am I am you know and I'm watching this and I'm like this is a good guy from what I can see right so I just beeline it into the gym like straight line to him and cut through the whole crowd and I go to him I go half of these people aren't

your genuine fucking friends and I leave I just left right I just straight up drop the bomb drop the nuke in front of all of these guys and just fucked off right and then like two days later he comes over to me goes hey man can have words he was like sure and and jack's a big boy for anyone listening he's like a proper farm boy he's a big dude and I was like oh fucking out what's going on now you know it's it's going to be a little bit of born in school fisty cuffs kind of thing and he says I just want to say thank you and I was like what you're saying thank you for he was like everyone there was telling me what I needed to hear and you just came over and you just told me the truth and I was like yeah dude like it's very easy to get lost in the source you know when you come to school and like

everyone really likes you or something like that look everyone didn't really like me um in the beginning and then everyone liked me at the end um but i said yeah it's easy to get lost in it and when everyone's kind of like blowing smoke up your ass to buy into it and this down the other thing and what's really good is having someone by the side is just going to tell you the fucking truth and that's one more thing is always pay attention to those guys who are going to tell you the truth whether you want to hear it or whether you fucking don't those people that tell you the truth and you don't want to hear it and it bugs you, keep those people close. Because they don't care that they're upsetting you because they care more about telling you the truth and they care

more about you than you may even about yourself. Remember this because they're not afraid to tell you the truth. Oh, my boy's veering off the rails. Listen, Nate, you're fucking up here. Get back, get back. No, no, I'm fucking up. Hey, do you want someone to fucking tell you? No, I don't. Type them telling you anyway. That's a boy. That's a good mate. And for girls as well. Those. girls that do that, you'll tell you that truth and you're all like, oh, I don't want to hear it, but it's a truth. Good on them, man. Keep those people close because no matter what happens, that person, when you think they're a friend

or not, will cut through the smoke and mirrors for you. We'll cut right through it for you and just be like, okay, this is what you're actually seeing. And that's awesome. Yeah, I think, I think if you're at that stage where you have friends who are able to be bluntly honest with you, but you know, but you want, there's such a difference between like now between someone who's, you know, just being rude and obnoxious to you versus someone who's just being bluntly honest with you because they have your best interest that are. Like, there are two different things or someone who's always just, you know, telling you what you want to hear,

but when you're actually at a state where you need there or something else or you need actual, like, advice or help, you know, they're nowhere to be found because they're only there for the, they're only there for the crack and the phone, but nothing, nothing underneath the surface, basically. no that's so true and you know there's a good friend of mine um he's an irishman as well his name's he's a he's a BJJ guy like a mma fighter and he when he cares about someone he really does but he doesn't be on the fucking bush man yeah like and that's what you got to understand so what you got to understand is when he hits you with that blunt honesty sometimes it's sometimes you don't really need it at that point but he comes from a good fucking place

straight away. He's a fucking care about you being a dickhead. You're like, oh, I care. Okay, he cares about me though. You know, like straight up, plain and simple. You know, so whether you are ready to receive it or not, it's still, that's that mate that's going to cut through that smoke and mirrors and

just be like, look, this is a fucking crack. And what's- And what do you think about, let's say someone who is a man, a boy in their 20s, a boy, a man in their 20s who they're trying to reach out to okay they have their let's say their childhood friends and they have their like school friends and stuff like that

and people they grew up with and people that they're still friends with like I've like people who I'm still friends with but they won't they won't hit all my needs in a friendship sometimes you know what I mean like you know obviously

when I obviously got went into the fitness industry and then I found people with more similar values to me and stuff like that or would live similar lifestyles and then through that a lot of people in the fitness industry end up you meet a lot of people who are actually on a self-development journey that becomes intellectual as well as physical transformation as well which is great and it's nice to be able to kind of have them conversations with people as well and I found that I suppose it ties into

what you first said as well as like you know if you're in your 20s and you're not happy and you want to change your circumstances for the better you know taking risks is a really important thing but true taking them risks as well and being brave and being yourself but also being vulnerable you end up meeting a lot of people along the way who end up doing becoming good friends because you took them risks and you kind of you kind of found your feet in terms of what you wanted out of maybe life experiences and then friendship as a byproduct of that as well yeah 100% like sometimes you'll meet a friend where you you your journey is always developing right like that's just the way it is and there's my mom always used to say it's yeah friends for a season friends for a reason

friends for a lifetime right so everything does serve its purpose. purpose. But as you develop, right, you've got to understand that other people won't want to develop with you. Yeah. And look, to each day on, right? If someone doesn't want to develop with you, so be it. But that doesn't give you a reason to drop down and fall into the mire just because they don't. I want to, you know, keep going to the public every Sunday and never change for the rest of my life. I don't give a fuck. It's like to each they own. But I'm on a different trajectory. and that's okay. Now, is that friend supportive of that trajectory?

Aren't they? If they are, cool. If they aren't, so be it. Say la Vee, mate. You know what I mean? So people need to stop getting so hung up on, and I'm very, very not, quote-unquote, hung up on this, is someone's like,

oh, he's my childhood mate. Sarkas fallacy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There it is. I don't care whether you're a childhood mate or you met him a year ago. Are you guys vibing? Does this person actually care about you?

Does this person want the best for you? If that's the case, whether you're a childhood friend or I met you two years ago, you're a boy. Do you know what I mean? You're my boy, like I care about you. And that's what you've got to look at is you got to look at when you're on a trajectory, whether it's up or down, down tends to show you the biggest truth for everyone listening, right? But when you're on that upward and you get sky high, that also shows you a hell of a lot of truth.

But when you're on that trajectory, are they in support? of it knowing that it's leading to your betterment or your development or your growth. So let's say you're taking a risk and they may not be on board at that risk, but they know, okay, you really want to take this risk card no matter what? Like, no matter what I'm doing this. Okay, fucking got you. Like, I'll back into the hills. You know what I mean?

Those are good friends, right? And you've got to understand that that's a constantly evolving process and your friends will either revolve with you. And when they evolve with you, doesn't mean they do the same thing, right? I'll give you an example. Jack, he's not a Christian guy. Altan, he's a Muslim, right? So they aren't on the same kind of trajectory as me,

but they want the best for me. They want the best for me, no matter what I mean. So they still want to see me thrive, see me do well. And when I'm in the mud, I can be like, hey, what's up? And they'd be like, cool, talk to me, Habibi, or talk to me, bro. You know, and I'm like, sure thing. And it's whether they want the best for you or not, and whether they're going to support you, whether you take a risk or not.

Even if they don't support the risk, and then you explain it to them, hey, this is why I'm taking this risk and they need to do this for me. And they go, I don't get it, but you know what? I understand you. And I think that's also the best way to weed out actual relationships and actual friendships to, you know, fake ones, essentially. Like if you do take the risk and decide that, you know what,

I want something different for my life, I'm going to try something different. Maybe I'm, you know, posting the videos or I'm starting this business or I'm learning this new language or I'm following my religion. or I'm doing whatever whatever it is that you need to do in order for you to feel that you're moving in the right direction and if them friends

support that even if they don't understand and they're like yeah well Carl's doing his own thing I don't know what he's doing but yeah he seems happy so that's the main thing it's like cool I care about that yeah I was like cool that's that's someone who is still going to be my friend regardless of what direction I go in versus someone who's like

oh what are you doing and then tries to pull you back to the pub or your old lifestyle or whatever it is it's like it's for me i've never really had that problem because like i've always just decided to do my own thing anyway and like if if if if people if if if friendships fade because of that so be it i have loads of friendships like childhood friendships who like people who do completely different things to me live completely different lifestyles to me but i can still easily see them maybe once a week have a coffee or we catch up birthdays and you know even talk to them on the phone or whatever it is and like also

still pursue what I want to pursue while they pursue what they want to pursue. Like it's never, it's never being an issue. And it also means I can still, you know, engage in other types of friendships and relationships in different ways. So like, it's never being. And that's diverse as well, which is a good thing. So you get a diverse experience, you know, like, you know, your one friend is, is really into tech.

Yeah. And your other friends really into, I don't know, fucking insurance. Who cares? Right. and he starts, you meet for a couple once week. He's like, oh man, you know, I'm loving my insurance brokering. You're like, oh, that's really cool, man. Like, my car needs insurance.

So, like, fucking tell me about it, you know. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, I'm really happy for you. Yeah. You're on two different trajectories. Yeah. But you both fucking happy for another for pursuing what you truly want. Yeah, 100%.

And that's what that is. And I think that diverse, them, diverse relationships are so important. Like, like me and you can have this, like, a conversation. We can go deep into. AI and humanity destroying it and then like I'll have another friend that like we'll just only talk about sport and that's all we talk about but that's okay as well like I don't yeah I don't need him to be that other person I don't need him to I don't need to talk to him about you know life has an online coach or personal trainer or whatever it is you know it's like you can have them diverse friendships but I also think it's like if you're um what's the word if if you if you're kind of fed up with the relationships that you're in now or just your overall circumstances, it's probably because your life is not diverse enough because you haven't gone out and experienced enough things and took enough risks to have that kind of diversity.

Agreed. So like, think about it like this, right? If all you ever ate was vanilla ice cream, you would get bored of the flavor, right? You would hate it. It's not vanilla ice. You would hate it. You would hate it. So you need that diversity. One is good for you. You would get bored of the flavor. You would hate it. So you need that diversity. One is good for you. Two, it gives you a balanced perspective of the world. And three, right, you develop as a human being. And so do your friends as a byproduct, right?

You know, your friends are just a riff off you. You've got to remember that. It's not just we riff off our mates. Our mates riff off us. Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing. So, and one thing that is lost in this world that we need to kind of bring back is you've got to have your mates.

Yeah. You've got to have your mates. And always remember this to anyone listening. rather have two to three fucking absolute best mates best girls than 500 acquaintances that are just like do you actually know if they want the best for you? Yeah. Fucking ask them.

Just hit them with like a hard question. You know, just be like, okay, what is one thing that you absolutely love about me? And they'll tell you about you. Okay, what is one thing about me that you see, that I can't see that really, really, like I need to change or really need to improve? And see if they go, oh, no, nothing, you're perfect. fuck off, mate. Sorry.

If I turn around, if someone said to me, if I said, look, I want you, as my friend, to pick one thing that you think I really need to improve on, or really need to get better at, but one thing you don't like about me that you think I need to improve on, right? And they go, no, you're fucking awesome, mate. I'll be like, well,

I'm not perfect. There's probably something. Right? So pick something, that's okay. And then you'll notice the friends who will give you the the blood force trauma of, yo, this is how you, like, look, I see this and I don't I can make you need to improve that. And you can take it or you can leave it and that's totally okay.

But then you know that that person genuinely cares because they give the truth. Yeah. Right. And they're not giving you smoke up your eyes. You know, like, mate, you're just, you're the perfect person. It's like, well, no, there's only one perfect person and he's not alive anymore. You know what I mean? So, no, like tell me, like, say, like, what area do you think I need to improve on in my life?

And see if your friends give you an honest answer. See, you can give an honest answer. I also think that, you know, Dale, they'll also, if they're good friends and they're self-aware, they'll do it at a time when it's needed. Because you don't want a friend who's constantly criticizing you either, don't you know? You know, it's like, it's like, all right.

Because they have no batchy, they're not looking at you. They're not being at least. Yeah, yeah, all right. It's like, okay, mate, just like let me live as well. But like, it's also, it's like, okay, this is why I like you as a person. This is why we were close friends because I see similar values in you that I have. And, you know, and then when maybe you start to kind of

drift away from them values or you start to behave in ways that, you know, isn't conducive to the person that you want to be or that they see in you and then they call that out. Like, I think that's, that's, that's a good friend. That's a good mate. That's the guy who's going to be like, hey, you know, if someone saw me shitting on a sidewalk, you know, it's kind of like this, right? It's like, if you have a bugger in your nose, you know, those people who are too polite to tell you, but there's a person who's just like, hey, you got something on your nose.

Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's the thing, right? Is you want that friend that, and if any, if you have a friend out there, you're like, oh, this is my blunt force trauma friend. And they're just ripping you a new one. And they're not paying attention to your state.

Have a look at that friendship again. You need to pay attention to state. Because they want you to, they're telling you that because they don't want you to look stupid in front of other people, even if you feel stupid when they tell you that. Exactly. So think about the inverse. So the people who aren't telling you are less concerned about how stupid you look. Yeah.

Yeah. that's it so which person would you rather ride with i'd ride it's a person that's a person that's time i got a fucking bunger anyway so i was talking to this 20 year old and i told them basically to go go across the world your 20 years of age you've no responsibilities get on a flight go halfway across the world go experience something different uh you know do all that stuff and he goes um he goes uh that's interest and stuff what do you feel about the advantages of the idea of traveling um and stuff like that and goes to play devil devil devil's kit why not do the exact opposite why not in your you try to set yourself up for the most amount of

financial and emotional prosperity in the future by making choices centered around you know the philosophy of delayed gratification and enjoy life slightly later so he was basically saying oh would i not just stick around and do what i'm currently doing um and you know set myself up for later and while I'm while I'm like yeah there is there is that like there is like 20 year olds who will like you know get to work straight away and climb the corporate ladder and do all that stuff it's like he's only he's asking me for advice in his 20s because he's not content in his 20s okay he's asking me for advice because he's not happy in his current circumstances right now but then he's also like oh will but would I not just um slug it out where I am and uh you know try to to set myself

up financially by, I don't know, like not being adventurous or not being risk avert by not, you know, going away and not having a plan. Okay. So what I'd say to this guy, right, is, oh, you know, everything's set up perfectly how it is here. You know what I mean? Why not I embody the traits of delayed gratification, awesome thing, you know, and setting myself up, awesome thing. Okay, cool. Well, I'll just say this. How do you know? How do you know? How do you fucking know me? You don't. Your perspective is tiny. And I'm not trying to burst your bow. I'm not trying to be nice. I'm trying to be mean. But the truth of the matter is that. Right. If you grew up in a small village and you got yourself a really well-paid job in that small village,

let's take you to Dubai and see how well-paying that job is there. Yeah. Right. So how the fuck do you know? You don't. So you've got to acknowledge your own naivety or your own ignorance there and take a fucking risk in the discussion. Yeah. Right. And what I would say is like, well, like if someone was content, they wouldn't be asking them questions in the first place. Like if you were content in your, in your, in your, in your part time job, in your small town,

and you know, all your relationships were going well and you were completely content, you wouldn't be asking, oh, what should I be doing in my 20s or, you know, what decisions do I need to make? Because obviously, you're looking to make a decision because you're not happy in your current circumstance and if you're not happy in your certain circumstance and you want to make a drastic change well then you probably need drastic action and if you're a young person like it's great to take drastic action because you know you have the ability to sleep on floors you have loads of energy you are cost efficient you know what I mean like you have zero responsibilities you can you know you're

more resilient in that regard anyway because you have you know energy to burn and like you can just take risks and you know when you're 20 your back is a sore you can get up you can get because i'm just saying that because i just say enough because my back has been killing me the last few days and i'm like oh my god i'm what is going on i've never had lower back pain in my life and now i'm getting a constant and i'm like oh shit my body's breaking down it's like i need i need a big king-sized bed with a comfy mattress i can't be sleeping on floors and hostels and you know now, like people's sofas and, you know, trying to try new, new entrepreneurship stuff. Like, but if I was 20, if I was 20 now, I would 100% do it.

What I would say there is, if you don't mind, is if you're being risk adverse in your 20s, your 30s, your 40s and your 50s, you have to be even more risk adverse. So you're only going to be shrinking more and more and more on more than the risks you take that all you get. So if that's the case, think about it like this. If I had to put it in terms of finances, right? Think about it like this. You're a millionaire with time right now. Okay?

You're a millionaire. Go and spend it. Go use it. Go invest it. And you'll go, well, I'm investing it right now. It's like you're only looking at one thing, mate. You don't know if you're investing it properly. Right?

You're only looking at one thing. So being risk, you know, avoidance, so to speak, whatever. But now at your 20s is, and this is someone who's way old than you who's taking risk, is stupid. Sorry, it is. Wasn't it, wasn't it, it, wasn't it Hermosie who said, you know, when I was, when I was 18, I wanted to be a millionaire. And now that I'm a millionaire, I'd want to be 18.

Yeah, time, time is the most precious resource. And in your 20s, mate, you don't know that you're, you're nailing it down by staying in your spot and, you know, you know, I'm going to build a student. delayed gratification. That's fucking awesome delay gratification. Keep that trade. But if you haven't taken the risk, for example, I've got to Thailand, right? Do you think I have to pay more or less for food in Thailand

than in England? Less for food in Thailand, way less. Do you think I have to pay more or less rent in Thailand? Less. Way less, right? Do you think I have to pay more or less to have a beautiful experience at a moit hygiene or whatever it may be? Less. Way less. Paying me. So, let's talk about your...

your financial, you know, delayed gratification, sending yourself up. How do you know that being in Thailand is a smarter financial move? Do you know you won't go over to the States for a month and get a job opportunity of a lifetime? This is what I mean. You don't. And how do you know it? And this is something you see in Thailand all the time. Someone will come there. They'll have a conversation with someone who's in an awesome business.

And then all of a sudden, the penny start to drop. oh my god dude i got this mad opportunity over here oh my god this happened to me over here and it's like yeah because you're in an environment where people come there network speak talk etc so if you're just staying in your little spot in your bubble and using the idea of delay gratification and asking these questions the first precursor like you said may is you're asking the questions right so that's your answer there right and if that's not enough source i'll add some more source for you, which is I live in Thailand, right? It's way cheaper and way more financially efficient to live there than it is to live in the UK. Yeah, but even you going from South Africa to the UK,

think about the amount of experiences you have that have created opportunities for you now in this life. Insane. Insane. Just in terms of like social skills and resilience and So many. So many. Like going from South Africa to England, having to adapt to the culture, having to respect the culture, having to still learn how to be true to myself, not getting lost in the source. And all these things were monumental in terms of growth. So when I was younger and I was around people my age, I was mentally older. You know, I was mentally more mature. I could have to. a catholic dialogue, you know, had a bit of vocabulary, you know, etc. None of that would have happened if I didn't take that leap.

It wouldn't. And what I, what I do like to say, and I think that's what people, you know, of that age forget. It's like, it's like, oh, what if I stay at home, I could get a stable job and, you know, that might be better for me long term. But it's like the project is you, not the job. Yeah. And like, what's the best way of,

you know, improving that project is by exposing yourself to, to different experiences. Well, if the project's you and you can't take your money with you, right, and you can't take success with you, what can you take?

Your experiences. They're priceless. I think we've said this before. Like, all you're going to have at the end of your life is your stories. That's it. That's it. So imagine you'd stay at home in your box room

and didn't do anything. And imagine if you stayed at home in your box and you had a really good job and you had a nice house, so so so so so what so fuck a 20 year old i think i might back up a go again hey you listen to anyone listening my bad if anyone has listened to this podcast and they see car in person he's overdue a trip to thailand i've just nag him i've i've i'd like to admit that i have booked it so i'm i'm we are just anyone listen to this if you see carl in person nagging me like you're supposed to go to fucking thailand see rihile i've got to

going on. Just give me a little nag, you know what I mean? Because you'll absolutely love it for you. You know what? And I also think this is a good point as well. And I hope it's something that I, I, I hope it's a trap that I don't fall into as I get older and older is that like we talk about, like, you know, experiencing as much as as you can in your 20s because I mean, it's the right time to do it. But also like realistically, you know, are we, are we just following social norms and saying that you can't experience life in your 30s and your 40s and your 50s and your 60s and your 70s like you can continue to be adventurous I think and like adventure it doesn't have to be spending dropping two grand to go halfway across the world it could be you know discovering a new town

and a country that you've lived your whole life and never like left the parameters of your 30 kilometer home so like it can be so small yeah yeah and I think I think you can continue to experience new things, whether it's reading new books, talking to new people, going to new areas. And I think you can do that at any stage of life, but we just fall into our, into our everyday life. It's a trap. The truth be told is a trap, right? I took a bunch of risks in my late 20s and now my 30s, right? So, well, I'm still late 20.

I'm just about a turn 30 fucking out. But with that being said, like, I took those risks. And in the beginning, right? So here's a very simple example is I took risks that had nothing to do with traveling across the world. I was going to take a risk to be a pro. Yeah. A rugby. I'm going to do a bodybuilding show.

I'm going to take a risk going to do my Thai fight. And now I've got a bucket BGJ competition in Bangkok in the 10th of May. Like, uh, you know what I mean? So the point I'm making is you can take those risks. You don't need to go to the arse end of nowhere. Yeah. But you should definitely go out of the comfort zone. Yeah.

And I think you're right. as we get older, the truth is you are a little bit more risk adverse, but we kind of inflame it a bit. We should, we don't need to be. We actually don't need to be as risk adverse because the world is a lot smaller. So we talk about all the games of social media, this and the other thing. There's just so many awesome things. You can follow people on social media. You're like, this is how you can live here for this amount. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, you know, and stuff like that. So it's like maybe back in our parents' day, right, you know, 20, was the only time.

Now it's not. Now it's really not. It's like, well, all the way up until you pretty much can't really walk and you need assisted help, you can fucking do it. You can do it. You know, you've got everything you need at your fingertips all the time. So go for it. You know, I think we are slightly conditioned from our parents

and not as conditioned to the world around us. with regard to risk adversity and making a move or traveling or or doing something out of our comfort zone because as I said like younger people build off the archetype of us older folks so we did the same car right we did the same right we also looked at our parents and they said well only in your 20s can you do this but that's not true anymore it's not yeah too too many people watching uh euro trip and being like oh i finished college now have to do a true around Europe and then I'll go home and I'll settle down I'll do my whatever. But yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I think I think life is to be experienced and I think even as

you give maybe a 20 year old boy that advice, it's like it's maybe I can take some of that advice for myself and be like, yeah, like there's still true enough for me as well and maybe me in 10 years or me in 20 years or you know. Both of us bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's this really, really cool thing that I saw, and I think you're like, I'm someone where someone says, I ask God to make me happy. And God said, no. He said, I'm going to give you life so you can be happy. So the point I'm making with that is you want happiness, you want fulfillment, you want

joy, you want experience, you want true wealth, live life. And it's not finding your comfort zone. sorry it's just not that's true it's not it's not it's not found in your parents home no there's not fun in your basement mate and it's not found on tinder either it's found going to the fucking local store and chat to that pretty good you've had a crush on for two years go for it's not found on bonnie blues um you know fans page unfortunately um anyway i need to get you to i need to get you to watch that interview with bonnie blue and um um what's her her name what is her name i'll send it to it's on uh don't say satir can though no it's bonnie blue

and um i have her book somewhere i have her book somewhere here i'll send it here it's on uh chris williamson's uh podcast uh modern wisdom send it to me and i'll watch it before our next pod yeah all right okay we'll leave it there because i think that's an hour and a bit and uh we'll stick to next wednesday for another episode of you know just just just random things i'd like like I didn't even know what we're going to have a conversation about today, but maybe we'll, maybe we'll, maybe we'll, maybe we'll do some more research and we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll dive a little bit deeper into existential crises and, you know, AI and new, you know, counseling one another.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to need, I'm going to need counseling after, after these conversations. All right. All right, folks, thank you for listening to the end. And if you enjoy the episodes, don't forget to subscribe. Go don't forget to like them. Don't forget to share them online.