True Crime Campfire - Episode 34: Try, Try Again: The Murder of Frank Rodriguez, Part 2

Episode Date: January 31, 2020

In part one we learned about Angelina Rodriguez, a greedy opportunist with a heart of darkness. Angie’s first marriage crumbled after the tragic “accidental” death of their baby daughter Alicia,... and after cashing in on the $50,000 life insurance policy she’d taken out on the baby the DAY before she died—not to mention the nearly $800,000 settlement from suing the company that made the pacifier that caused Alicia’s death—Angie lived high on the hog for a while. But that money ran out, much faster than anyone would have expected, and Angie soon moved on to a new target—I mean, husband—Frank Rodriguez, whom she snagged by carefully molding herself into the image of the pious Christian family woman Frank had always dreamed of. But when healthy, 41 year old Frank died of unknown causes not long after he and Angie married, investigators began to suspect that this “grieving widow” might not be grieving after all. And when we left you at the end of part 1, detectives were about to get an earful from Angie’s best friend Palmira. Join us now for part 2. Sources:A Taste for Murder by Burl Barer and Frank C. GirardotInvestigation Discovery, "Epic Mysteries," episode "A Taste for Murder"https://writeaprisoner.com/inmates/angelina-rodriguez-x-02712/penpalFollow us, campers!Patreon (join to get all episodes a day early, an extra episode a month, and a free sticker!): https://patreon.com/TrueCrimeCampfireFacebook: True Crime CampfireInstagram: https://gramha.net/profile/truecrimecampfire/19093397079Twitter: @TCCampfire https://twitter.com/TCCampfireEmail: truecrimecampfirepod@gmail.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-campfire--4251960/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, campers. Grab your marshmallows and gather around the true crime campfire. We're your camp counselors. I'm Katie. And I'm Whitney. And we're here to tell you a true story that is way stranger than fiction. We're roasting murderers and marshmallows around the true crime campfire. So, campers, in part one we learned about Angelina Rodriguez, a greedy opportunist with a heart of darkness. Angie's first marriage crumbled after the tragic accidental death of their baby daughter Alicia, and after cashing in on the $50,000 life insurance policy she'd taken out on the baby the day before she died, not to mention the nearly $800,000 settlement from suing the company that made the pacifier that caused Alicia's death, Angie lived high on the hog for a while. But that money ran out, much faster than anyone would have expected, and Angie soon moved on to a new target, I mean husband, Frank Rodriguez, who,
Starting point is 00:00:57 she snagged by carefully molding herself into the image of the pious Christian family woman Frank had always dreamed of. But when healthy 41-year-old Frank died of unknown causes not long after their wedding, investigators began to suspect that this grieving widow might not be grieving after all. And when we left you at the end of part one, detectives were about to get an earful from Angie's best friend Palmyra. Join us now for Part 2 of Try Try Again, the murder of Frank Rodriguez. Angie had quickly soured on Frank. He was too strict with her daughter, Autumn. He was possessive with her, and he made her feel like, quote, he was everything, she was nothing.
Starting point is 00:01:54 At one point, Palmyra said, well, just divorce him like you do everybody else. Yes, Angie, listen to the voice of reason, Palmyra. Palmyra is wise. Palmyra is wise. But Angie said, no way, can't do it. This one has a life insurance policy. That I took out on him.
Starting point is 00:02:19 If I were to kill him, at least I'd get a little money. Gross. Now, Palmyra and her mom. were there and just assumed she was kidding. Yet again. No one kids about this stuff. Okay, I'm sorry. So Palmyra, her mom, and Angie
Starting point is 00:02:38 started chatting about a case that the mother had read about where a woman put oleander in her husband's tea. It's a book, actually. It's called white oleander. Yeah, sure is. Now, campers, in case you don't know, oleander is a plant that is common in California, and the leaves are super poisonous. In fact, there's a really sad case where a couple of toddlers died from eating the leaves. And poor little babies. Anyway, Angie said several
Starting point is 00:03:07 times she should just kill Frank and get it over with. And one day, Palmyra called Angie and heard a noise in the background, a blender. So Palmyra asked, what are you doing? And, And Andrew replied, oh, I'm making Frank a special milkshake. He likes them when he's sick. And Palmyra goes, oh, is he sick? And Angie said, not yet. Wow. Yikes.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah. Yikes indeed. So that first ER trip, when Frank started showing symptoms, those symptoms were very consistent with oleander poisoning. The coroner ran a blood test on Frank's blood, and he did have oleander in his system at the time of his death, though probably not in quantities high enough to kill him, just enough to make him sick as a dog. There had to be a second toxin, but you have to know what to look for in a talk screen. There's no test that just shows any and everything that's in your system. And by the way, all through this investigation, Angie had been bugging the shit out of the cops. where's my cause of death?
Starting point is 00:04:26 Why don't they have the cause of death yet? I love your Angie impression. I just assume she has an annoying voice. We need me, God, yeah. That's our Angie voice. That's our official true crime, campfire, Angelina Rodriguez impression. Yeah, we have Diasin.
Starting point is 00:04:41 We have Angelina. Both are very accurate, okay? I'm sure. But the point was she was getting desperate for that payout. And desperate people. tend to do stupid shit. Excellent. They told Angie, look, the hold-up is we don't know what poisons to look for.
Starting point is 00:05:05 We can't get a cost of death until we narrow it down. Angie played it so cool, at least at first. She went, huh, I can't think of anything. Yeah, and then she said, well, maybe it could be those flowers on the side of the road everywhere. What are they called? I can't think of it. And she got increasingly frustrated when the cops pretended to not be able to think of it either.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Like trying not to overplay her hand. I mean, she's being very clever at this point. And the next thing she did was she called the detectives all excited, and she said she'd gotten an anonymous phone call. And she said she didn't know who the person was, but they'd said they wanted to tell her what was going on. because they'd had a lot of respect for Frank. And they said they'd had a conversation with a co-worker.
Starting point is 00:05:59 And coincidentally, this was the same coworker that Angie had accused of molesting students at Angel's Gate and threatening Frank. This coworker had said, they won't be able to pin me down for this. And then the caller said that the police needed to check for antifreeze. Angie said she'd tried desperately to convince the caller to give up their name, but no dice. They just said, check for antifreeze and hung up. oh wow how generous I know right this was getting more and more like a movie every day
Starting point is 00:06:27 Angie must have felt like she was working harder at this point than the cops were and on the one hand she was very clever coming up with this stuff but on the other hand she was a bonehead because it apparently did not occur to her that you know the cops can check your phone records and see whether you actually did get a phone call in a certain date and time duh Angie you dingus and unsurprisingly, she didn't get any phone call at the time she said she did.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Oh, my God. I'm thankful that these people are such idiots. But how hard is it to just call yourself from burner phone? Right. Thank you. Exactly. But if she had done that, she would have, I promise you, gone to someplace with a really good security camera and she would have paid for it with a credit card. Absolutely. Because, again, bonehead. So the toxicologist did find a buck.
Starting point is 00:07:19 load of antifreeze in Frank's blood. I mean, a metric bung load. Like, this poor guy died with 12 ounces of antifreeze in his body. That's like a can of soda. And it only takes like an ounce to kill an adult human being. Yes. And I'm on yet another watch list now because I had to look that up. So once again, hi FBI. I promise we're not murderers. We love your work in the behavioral sciences department. So the theory is, now was that Angie had started poisoning Frank with oleander, and when that didn't work fast enough and just made him sick as hell, she switched to antifreeze. The ER doc had told Frank to drink lots and lots of Gatorade to replace his electrolytes because he was vomiting and he had diarrhea,
Starting point is 00:08:05 and interestingly enough, the flavor of Gatorade that Frank liked was the same exact color as Antifreeze, that Chartreuse Green. Angie had bought lots and lots of Gatorade on the day that she brought him home from the ER. Oh, and this is delightful. By the the way, she got her nine-year-old daughter to help her bring Frank lots and lots of Gatorade over the next few days. Her nine-year-old, who loved Frank, like a father. I hate this hosebag. I just hate her so much. So things were chugging along nicely with the investigation, but they still needed more. So they reached out to the former co-worker that Angie had accused of killing Frank. They asked him if he'd be willing to call Angie and confront her about telling the
Starting point is 00:08:48 cops he was responsible for killing Frank with Antifreeze and let them listen in on the call, of course. So he agreed, you know, sure, anything I can do to help. So he called Angie up and said, Angie, why did you tell the detectives I poisoned Frank with Antifreeze? What did I ever do to you or to Frank? Frank was my friend, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And Angie was like really nasty to him and said, how did you get my number? And I shouldn't be talking to you. And she's hung up on him. And 45 seconds later, she called the lead detective. And interestingly enough, her account of the call was very different than what they had just witnessed on the wire. She said the former co-worker had threatened her.
Starting point is 00:09:25 You'd better stop spreading this stuff around or else. They'll never be able to catch me anyway. You'd better watch your back. Mustache twirl, mustache twirl. Right. And she told the detective she was scared to death. So this was hot stuff, right? And the case was really starting to come together,
Starting point is 00:09:42 but they needed one more ingredient to make a strong circumstantial case against Angie. So they told her, look junior detective angie the only thing standing between us and arresting this co-worker for frank's murder is that we need proof that this guy knew frank was going to be at angels gate that day of the field trip because if he didn't know in advance that frank was going to be there he couldn't have known to prepare the poison gatorade that he gave him because remember angie told him that frank came home from that field trip saying oh they gave me gatorade and cookies right and detective stein one said there appears to be nothing that says that Frank was coming up there that day.
Starting point is 00:10:19 So ever the dutiful junior detective, Angie got right on it. And soon after that conversation, the detectives received an anonymous fax, which was a list of teachers' names, a roster of teachers on Angels Gate letterhead, listing the people who had been invited to chaperone that field trip.
Starting point is 00:10:36 And one of the typed names had been crossed out and the name Frank Rodriguez had been written next to it in Penn. Y'all. She just crossed. crossed out this other teacher's name and wrote in Frank's name in a pen. Great googly-moogly. What did you say a second ago about desperate people getting stupid?
Starting point is 00:10:58 That's big stupid, Angie. Wow. Bless your heart, honey. Big stupid. So I think I mentioned earlier that Angie isn't always too great with details. Well, this was all well and good if a little bit sloppy. I mean, you think she would at least use whiteout and like type Frank's name over the other one instead of writing it in a pen.
Starting point is 00:11:16 But the problem was, when you send a fax, there's always a line at the top of the page that lists the location that you faxed it from. And this list of names was faxed from a staples right down the street from Angie's apartment. Not from Angel's Gate, from a Staples right down the street from Angie's place. So good try.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Bless your heart, Angie, honey. And this was the last little piece of the puzzle they needed to get an arrest warrant. So on February 5th, 2001, they showed up at Angie's door. And she thought that they were there to pick her up and let her watch them arrest this co-worker that she tried to frame, this Peter guy. Wait, wait, wait. Did they do that?
Starting point is 00:12:00 Can I request my local PD to let me come watch random arrests? Law enforcement campers, please let me know. Okay, thanks. Can we just come with you when you arrest like stupid asshole murderers? That would be fun. So we can watch their little faces just fall like, wait, You mean I'm not Professor Moriarty? I'm not Hannibal Lecter.
Starting point is 00:12:19 I'm not a criminal mastermind like I thought I was. Cosses. Right. Yeah. And when they offered to pick her up, she said, oh, good. I can't wait. Just he's the look on his face. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:12:31 She's the worst. Yeah. The look on the face of this completely innocent man, she tried to frame for a murder she committed. This bitch is the worst. And she said at one point, I hope they'll be able to fry his ass. So she was, like, rooting for this innocent person to, like, get the death penalty. Just a completely innocent, like a guy who has done nothing to her. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:56 She knows perfectly well that he's innocent. He was weird. That was his crime. Yeah, that was his worst crime is that he was an odd duck. Cricy. And, boy, was she upset when they told her that they were here to arrest her dumb ass. She started wailing. No, I didn't kill my husband, I swear.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Well, if you swear, we'll just let you go. You can watch this, by the way. We'll try and find it, like if it's on YouTube or something, but there's a little documentary about this case, and they have like body cam footage of the arrest, and she just gets all weepy. Don't you just love it when they turn on the waterworks? Like, where were these tears when you were taking your daughter's stepdad away
Starting point is 00:13:42 from her, you skankwad from hell. Where were the tears then, Angie? Shove up your ass. They weren't advantageous for her then. Right, exactly. So, Angie was remanded without bail. But one thing we know about this woman is that she is unwilling to give up. While in jail waiting for her trial to start, Angie first tried her darnest to manipulate
Starting point is 00:14:08 Palmyra into telling the detectives she'd lied in her statement about the, the oleander and the poison milkshake and all that. She said, look, people retract their statements all the time. Just tell them you caught me sleeping with your boyfriend and you wanted to get back at me. They'll buy that. Like, what does that say about you? Like, that's the kind of shit she would do. So she thinks that's reasonable. Right. And she told Palmyra that if she didn't take back her statement, she might be in trouble too. Basically, Angie pulled out all the manipulative stop to try to get her former best friend to back off. It didn't seem to be working based on the phone calls recorded by the jail. Especially when in the final call, Angie pretty much
Starting point is 00:14:54 straight up told Palmyra that her attorney had told her she'd get a reduced sentence if she could show that other people, i.e. Palmyra, Daniel, and Palmyra's poor mom, who was there for her oleander conversation, were involved. She was willing to throw her best friend and search get mom under the bus to reduce her own prison sentence. She even said, I can't say that I would have even thought these things without you. For God's sake, because she brought up the case of the woman who killed her husband with oleander as a joke. So, of course, it's Paul Meyer's fault that you're a psychopath. Yeah, because when I listen to these cases, I just can't wait to get married to try out these
Starting point is 00:15:36 various murder techniques. I know, right? Most of us wouldn't hear that and think, yeah, I'm going to try that, you freaking asshole. And by the way, also, can we talk about what a bonehead she is in not realizing that those calls were recorded? Angie, honey, Lord have mercy. Moriarty, she is not. Oh, definitely not. So, this is going to come to as a shock, but Palmyro's pissed. She was like, how dare you? You know my family, and I had nothing to do with this. And Angie ended the call with a thinly veiled threat. I don't want to see anything happened to you or your family. You tell them you were lying.
Starting point is 00:16:20 All this is gone. And then for the cherry on top of this shit Sunday, she promised that if Palmyra retracted her statement and got her out of jail, she'd walk away from Daniel. So basically, hey, sis, I promise I won't bang your nephew anymore if you get me out of here. So if that's what you're worried about, don't. Astonishing. Palmyra, as you can imagine, was just floored and indignant and angry.
Starting point is 00:16:53 This was someone she had thought of as a sister for years. Imagine what it would be like to see someone's mask fly off like this and realize that you mean nothing to them. That they'd eat you into oncoming traffic if it would make their life a little bit easier. Palmyra made it clear she wasn't retracting jack shit. Yeah. And Angie hung up angry. I'm sure if anything, this conversation made Palmyra even more committed to working with the press. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:25 I'd be raring to go. Mm-hmm. Throw down, bitch. And Angie scored herself a witness tampering charge on top of the murder charge. She's killing it, man. She's just building a case against. herself so well. She worked so hard for the, for the state. She really did. She did a great job of convicting herself in this case. Yeah. So Angie is very personable. Yeah. So she befriended
Starting point is 00:17:55 another inmate because, you know, she's a charismatic figure, right? And before long, she started talking about wanting to hire somebody to like, just kill her former friend, Palmyra. But this. Cheese and crackers. Here's what she was thinking, y'all. You see, if the prosecutors didn't have Palmyra to testify about those oleander and anti-freeze conversations and presumably about her cheating on Frank with Daniel, they'd have nothing to convict her on.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Which was horseshit, by the way. They had plenty more stuff than Palmyra. It's not like they would have dropped the case. But Angie seems to have convinced herself of that anyway. She's really not that bright, y'all. No. She's really not. No, it does feel like maybe she gets fixated on one thing that could fix it all, right?
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah. She's not seeing the big picture. No. Angie. Angie, Angie, Angie. So, Angie and this fellow inmate had a long conversation about how Palmyra might be gotten out of the way. And the reason we know this, of course, is that these conversations were recorded. because people in jail tend to want deals.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And this woman was a nonviolent offender. She didn't want any part of killing anybody. So this buddy of Angie's had gone right to the investigators when Angie started trying to get her to find a hitman. Good for her. Yeah. In fact, it seems to me that the only people who typically do go to the authorities in these cases are the flippin'n' fellow inmates. And I realize that sometimes that's because they want consideration. But like, I'll take it.
Starting point is 00:19:41 You know, at least somebody's trying to help. And side note, people who try to hire hitmen from behind bars scare the shit out of me. Because we like to think once somebody is in prison, they're not dangerous anymore. These people are still dangerous. They're still at it. Right. That's terrifying. Yeah, no, it's like, this is like some Arkham Asylum shit where they just need to be like locked.
Starting point is 00:20:05 with a muzzle like Hannibal like cage yeah just it's so scary that's terrifying is you can find a hitman in prison I mean it's they're not all going to be informants right
Starting point is 00:20:17 so anyway as the wire recorded every word Angie spun out various scenarios for getting her oldest friend palmyra out of the picture she sucks so hard well could the hitman
Starting point is 00:20:33 make it look like a suicide Or maybe like a robbery gone bad Or a boyfriend gone mad And true to brand She also suggested the possibility of poison Oh, we could use cyanide Detectives knew this woman was a serious danger to Palmyra
Starting point is 00:20:55 So they set up yet another sting They went to Palmyra with a makeup artist They made it look like she'd been shot in the head posed her in bed as though she'd been murdered. They took pictures. And then they sent an undercover cop to visit Angie in prison with the pictures. Now, this is one of my favorite law enforcement tricks. It's very theatrical and campers, I think you know by now that I live for drama.
Starting point is 00:21:23 And this also does the job of showing the jury what the person acted like when it was done. Now, I do feel kind of bad for the would-be victim. but I'm sure it's better than the alternative. I mean, I'm sure it's a huge blow to realize, you know, someone wanted you dead, but it's better than it's succeeding and you actually being dead. You know, and Hitman stings are just one of my absolute jams, and they're fascinating to me. And I think I mentioned this in a previous episode that I just love watching the, like, video and listening to recordings of people trying to hire Hitman because you just get to see these people with their masks completely off. No pretense. And it's fascinating and chilling.
Starting point is 00:22:07 I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. Plus, when you're dealing with a hitman sting, nobody's actually lost their life. So it's a little bit less like awful and sad, you know? Right. But, you know, what I have learned from these hitman sting shows is that at this point with these hitmen, it's just 99% undercover cops at this point. Like, I'm pretty sure there's only like one actual hitman left in the United States and he's busy. Like, you got to get on a waiting list.
Starting point is 00:22:33 And I hear he's not even that good. He's just the only one that there is. And I also just want to share one fun little detail from a sting video that I watched one time. And I don't remember any details of this case other than this woman wanted, I believe, her husband murdered. And they had this undercover cop, you know, because whoever she had asked to try to find her, a hitman, had thank God gone to the cops. So they had this undercover detective posing as the hitman. and they always try to get money out of you because if you pay money it shows that you genuinely are serious
Starting point is 00:23:07 and you have an intent to follow through so the detective as Hitman says so do you have any money you can give me as a down payment and she was like well I don't have much and she pulls out a $5 bill I shit you not she was like I've got five bucks and because it's an undercover officer he's like okay well it's something I'll take it
Starting point is 00:23:30 I'm sure if it was a real hit man, he would have said, no, and then probably would have shot her in the head. Sure. $5. $5. He's like, I've got an Abraham Lincoln that says you'll get this job done right. Like, what are you doing? Anyway, I thought that was astonishing.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I have a George Washington with her name on it. So you might be wondering what Angie's reaction was to these photos. of her best friend. Yeah, which are gnarly looking, by the way. They did a really good job. I mean, this is near L.A., so I guess they had, like, great makeup artists. She goes, oh, my God. I didn't think she'd really do it.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Then, for sure, I'm going to go home. And she was, like, grinning ear to ear and flirting with the hitman. Oh, gross. Oh, is that the only reason you came? Oh, my God, she is so gross. So prosecutors now added a solicitation of murder charge to the growing list of charges. So Angie had succeeded in doing nothing more than digging herself into a much deeper hole than she started out in. It's a good job.
Starting point is 00:24:47 And a few more interesting little tidbits. So first, after she was arrested, Angie tried to sell the lead detective on the idea that Frank had killed himself with the anti-freeze because she was planning to leave him. Uh-huh. She didn't know at that point that her buddy Palmyro is working with the investigators. Yeah, so she didn't know that they knew all that stuff about the oleander and everything. So she thought she could sell it. And another thing, and I forgot to put this in the notes, but I'll try and remember as much as I can off the top of my head, they also found some paperwork that was from the lawsuit that Angie and her ex-husband had filed against the Gerber Corporation when Alicia had died.
Starting point is 00:25:27 you know, the pacifier thing and everything. And in this paperwork, it actually included a report from an expert that her attorney had hired. This expert had found that the likelihood was that this pacifier had actually been stomped on, like, intentionally flattened, and that this child had most likely died of, like, intentional asphyxiation. Oh, wow. Which must have just given her attorney. like chills and the thing is you're thinking well why didn't he turn her in but attorneys can't do that the attorney-client privilege is sacrosanct like you get disbarred you can't you know and you can talk
Starting point is 00:26:09 about the ethics of that but legally he really can't and in the way that the the legalities of the suit worked he was under no obligation to turn that information over to gerber or anything like that and it was just an opinion it wasn't proof it wasn't a fact but you Yikes, right? So yet again, I mean, it's looking very much like she killed her own child. So the other thing was that as the investigation continued after Angie's arrest, and investigations do continue after someone is arrested leading up to trial, not everybody's aware of that, but it's true. Detective spoke to the first officer on the scene the day of Frank's death.
Starting point is 00:26:51 His name was Officer Sharp. And Officer Sharp told them that as he spoke to Angie on the scene, she said she wouldn't be surprised if Frank had been poisoned. Now, this was astonishing, given that Angie hadn't mentioned that to any of the detectives until quite a bit later on in the investigation, nor had she said anything about that to Frank's doctor at the ER, right, shortly before he died. So disturbing. And this officer also said that he'd been struck on that day by how unemotional she seemed,
Starting point is 00:27:20 except for these occasional kind of weird bursts of like whimpers and crying noises, minus any actual tears. No tears, just weepy noises and whimpers. And he said everything she said felt rehearsed and insincere and he was just creeped out. Yeah, that's creepy as fuck. It is. She also seems to have workshoped some alternative theories of Frank's death with some of his family members and former colleagues at his funeral. She told Frank's sister that the kids he taught at Angel's Gate did.
Starting point is 00:27:54 didn't like him, which was 100% not true, implying that one of them might have killed him. Yeah. She told some people she thought the coworker that she accused of molesting the students did it. And she delivered all these theories in a tone like someone discussing a TV show. She had a casual interest in. No emotion, no grief, no sadness. At one point, she laid out a theory for. Frank's sister in great detail. Someone could have put poison and gatorade and cookies and served
Starting point is 00:28:32 them to Frank. When his sister asked, well, how would you go about poisoning somebody? Angie said, oh, there are lots of ways. Olander works. You can make a tea out of it. It's easy. After that, the sister quietly told the other members of the family not to eat or drink anything Angie made at the reception. I should say so. Yikes. And unsurprisingly, Angie was quickly convicted of all charges of that trial. Solicitation of murder, first degree murder. She never admitted to any of it or showed any remorse, even when she was sentenced to death. As a matter of fact, as I recall, she made a little speech about how lying doesn't come easily to me. I'm a terrible liar. I'm a woman of integrity. Just shut your pie hole, you dumb
Starting point is 00:29:22 bitch. Anyway. And it's really kind of delightful to me if you can find anything delightful in such an awful story that this Biocch could have gotten away with this if she had just been patient enough to wait for the coroner to settle on a cause of death. Like she 100% initiated this investigation, planted the idea that it might be a murder, and played herself. Because they weren't even looking at her. They weren't even thinking murder. The coroner was like it was probably natural causes. So, I mean, she just completely created the situation because she wanted the money. And she wanted it fast. Again, they don't have an ability these folks to put off long-term gain and deprive themselves of short-term reward. So how'd that work out for you, Angie?
Starting point is 00:30:08 She's never been convicted of the murder of her baby daughter Alicia, but I mean, I'm saying it. I think she did it. I think it's very clear. Yes. I mean, that pacifier had been manipulated according to that report by like a human foot like flattened so it would fit down her throat come on that's very clear to me and Angie had no doubt a rough childhood and I'm sure it was a factor in what happened here but we have to be clear on something most people who have rough childhoods most people who've been abused in that way never go on to hurt anyone else Angie made a choice to do that yes and she's now one of only 20 other women on California's death row or in fact at the moment she's not because as you campers may know california just
Starting point is 00:30:53 recently issued a moratorium on the death penalty which granted a temporary stay of execution to over 700 inmates which is fine with me because provided you're guilty i'd rather see you rot in a stinky little ublea anyway because prison sucks contrary to popular belief it's not fun in there okay um so she has appealed in 2014 her sentence was upheld and here's a a little nugget of joy for you before we go. And I want to tell you that when I discovered this, I was so delighted that I clapped my hands like a little happy Victorian child in a movie. And I was so excited.
Starting point is 00:31:27 I was like, you know what? I'm going to let Katie read this because she's going to love it so much. I am blessed. hashtag blessed. Angie has a profile on a prison pen pal site because of course she does. And the main page says the following, Katie, take it away. Hello! I am wishing to find a pen friend who is, kind, supporting, compassionate, trustworthy, loyal, honest, and not afraid of humor, laughter, and smiles. I love animals. No spiders or bugs. Ow!
Starting point is 00:32:04 Ow! I like to read historical novels, both fiction and nonfiction. I listen to most music. A novel is fiction. Right. Blow that out your ass, Angie. It's not a novel if it's nonfiction. Read a book, Angie. Correct. Read a book. I listen to most music and crochet as a pastime. I also like learning about places, cultures, lifestyles, people,
Starting point is 00:32:33 etc. She likes learning about nouns. I am looking for a real pen friend. That's supposed to an imaginary who is looking for a true friend too if you want to know more about me not my case and or tell me about you please write me so we can see if we fit I saw it coming and I could know until then chow for now and she's spelled chow C-H-O-W Oh, Enzy. Chow for now.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Chow down for now. And then her little poison cookies. I love this little thing at the end. Her little post script. Please, no dramatics, no game players, no commentators, no judgments, no journalists, no Journalists. No judgments. Blow it out your ass, you hosebag. No judgments. I don't want to talk about my case. No journalist. Oh, you suck so bad. Probably no podcasters either, right? More's the pity. Oh, well, there are other fish in the sea, after all. Oh, just digest how ridiculous
Starting point is 00:34:02 that was for a second. Anyway, yeah. So it's a sad story. Oh, you're welcome. I knew you'd enjoy it, so. But it's a sad story And I just so much wish that Frank could have seen through her facade I wish he had listened to his co-workers In the first place I wish he'd gotten out of there The day he discovered that gas leak But as we said love can make us do some really
Starting point is 00:34:27 Really unwise things sometimes So there you go Rest in peace Frank You did not deserve this You know we'll have another Stranger Than Fiction story for you next week campers But for now lock your doors light your lights and stay safe
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