True Crime Campfire - Episode 35: Stagecraft: A Wild Story of Double Murder, Part 1

Episode Date: February 7, 2020

All the world’s a stage, or so Shakespeare once told us, and all the people in it merely players. That’s a nice idea if we’re just talking allegory, but in real life it’s a dangerous way to view the world. Because when you run across the type of person who thinks this way, they tend to think of themselves as the star of the show, and everybody else as disposable extras. That’s not an outlook that lends itself to “playing well with others.” In this episode, we bring you the true story of a killer who saw himself as the star of the show. And in his mind, the show had to go on, no matter who got hurt in the process. Sources: CBS "48 Hours Mystery," episode "Killer Performance"NBC "Dateline," episode "Plot Twist"ABC "20/20," "The Final Act"https://abcnews.go.com/US/actress-convicted-lying-police-fiances-double-murder-pleads/story?id=63234575https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/sam-herr-death-murder-daniel-wozniak/Follow us, campers! Patreon (join to get all episodes a day early, an extra episode a month, and a free sticker!): https://patreon.com/TrueCrimeCampfireFacebook: True Crime CampfireInstagram: https://gramha.net/profile/truecrimecampfire/19093397079Twitter: @TCCampfire https://twitter.com/TCCampfireEmail: [e-mail] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-campfire--4251960/support.

Hello, campers. Grab your marshmallows and gather around the true crime campfire. We're your camp counselors. I'm Katie. And I'm Whitney. And we're here to tell you a true story that is way stranger than fiction. We're roasting murderers and marshmallows around the true crime campfire. All the world's a stage. Or so Shakespeare once told us and all the people in it merely players. That's a nice idea if we're just talking. allegory, but in real life, it's a dangerous way to view the world. Because when you run across the type of person who thinks this way, they tend to think of themselves as the star of the show and everybody else as disposable extras. That's not an outlook that lends itself to playing well with others. In this episode, we bring you the true story of a killer who saw himself as the star of the show. And in his mind, the show had to go on, no matter who got hurt in the process. So campers were in Costa Mesa, Orange County, California, May 22, 2010.

A 911 call came into the Costa Mesa dispatch from a frantic sounding man who said, I found a dead body in my son's apartment The dispatcher asked the gender of the dead person And he said it was a woman He said there was blood everywhere And it looks like there was some sexual activity The body was lying in his son's bed So take just a second and imagine

How horrifying that would be Like you go over to your son's apartment Because you haven't heard from him And you find a dead body in his bed And blood Awful Yikes So the caller's son

was a 26-year-old army veteran named Sam Hare. Sam had been home from Afghanistan for a year or so now, and he was going to college on the GI Bill, but right now, Sam was nowhere to be found. When police arrived, they found an apartment where nothing seemed to miss at first until they got to the bedroom and found the body of a young woman

lying in her own blood on the unmade bed. And oddly, she was wearing a sparkly tiara in her hair. Kind of weird, right? Her pants had been slashed and were down around her knees and someone had written, Fuck you, all yours, on the back of her sweater. That's awful.

Yeah, like in a Sharpie. Yeah, and like the implications of that are just horrifying. Yeah, I mean, it was a creepy message, but interesting, too, because it made them think, like, okay, is this a love triangle that we have on our hands here? Had this girl been killed by a man who wanted to be with her but couldn't because she was into somebody else? And was that what fuck you, all yours was all about? So, of course, they couldn't be sure at this stage, but they were sure as all going to find out. So the young woman's purse was there at the scene, and detectives took out her wallet to check for an ID, and they found it.

The dead woman's name was Julie Kibuishi. She was only 23 years old, which is always heartbreaking. So while police were at the scene, they heard a Taylor Swift ringtone going off, which I imagine was really jarring in that context. It's like something you'd see on an episode of CSI, isn't it? Like there's this horrifying bloody scene with this creepy message scrawled on the murder victim sweater and suddenly just boom, Taylor Swift. It's the worst. Yeah. Like it's kind of eerie.

Just even to think about it. Like we are never getting back together in the background. That's awful. Yeah. Seriously. So obviously this was Julie's phone. And when they looked at it, they found tons of missed calls from her mom and her brother Taka. Like, where are you?

Please call home. Just really sad. Her family had clearly been looking for her all the previous evening and worrying sick about. and as they continued to go through her phone, they found a series of texts from the night before from Sam Hare, the guy in whose apartment Julie Nellie did. Now this was intriguing. This could tell them something useful. The first text seemed cheerful.

It said, helping Dan, then off to folks for weekend. But two hours later, a flurry of texts from Sam had a very different tone. Can you come over tonight at midnight alone? No sex. very upset need to talk and Julie had responded ew Sam L-O-L were like brother and sister

no sex and Sam had responded that he was very upset and dealing with family issues he said he just needed her support as a brother and then again he said no sex he said Jesus I really just want to talk I need someone I can trust weird right

no sex and she's like you what and then he repeats it again So if I were getting those texts, and this was from a guy that was like a brother to me, and, you know, I have friends like that, like male friends that are just like a brother. And if one of them texted me that, I would first probably have the same reaction of, ew, what the hell are you talking about? And then if he said it again, I would be probably pretty disturbed. Like, is this a bad joke or what is going on?

Like, it would seem very, like, gross. And the fact that he asked her to show up alone is so weird. Yeah, I didn't think about that. but that is kind of creepy, yeah. Like, he, like, he might be thinking of, like, making a move. Right, exactly. Like, this guy that I thought we were platonic, he's, like, got ideas, right? But Julie, bless her heart.

She responded, of course, I'm here for you, like family. So that was why Julie had come over to her friend Sam's apartment. What had happened once she got there? Was it an argument? Julie didn't have any defensive wounds. In fact, the way she was lying made it seem like she'd been taken by surprise and possibly never even knew what hit her. which I would think, and thank God I've never been in this situation to lose a loved one to murder,

but I would think that that might be a slight comfort to a grieving family to find out that at least their loved one didn't know what hit them. Because they didn't have to have that moment of confusion and fear before they died, which, of course, would be a cold comfort. But I would think even a cold comfort is worth something when you're in a situation like this. So at least it seemed like she hadn't seen it coming. there were no signs of forced entry no signs of struggle in the apartment sam's dad steve had a key so he hadn't had to break in or anything and by sam's bed police found a folding knife a combat guide and a book about how to have better sex weird combination of stuff right and on the kitchen counter was an invitation to two of sam's friends upcoming wedding so just normal stuff really i mean

and maybe an odd juxtaposition of stuff on the bedside table, but just, you know, nothing really seemed super amiss or anything. A closer inspection of the apartment, though, told police that Sam Hare's passport was missing. So was his car. So it was pretty clear what had happened that Sam had killed Julie Kibuishi and now he was on the run. The investigators knew they needed to find this guy and fast. He was most likely armed. He was a military veteran who knew lots of different ways to kill and got him.

knew what he might do if he wasn't apprehended. So the detectives were tense right off the bat. The situation was one of those that could get a lot worse before it got better. But let's put a pin in that for a few minutes and get some background on our key players. So Julie Kibuishi was the third child and first daughter born into her close-knit Japanese-American family, and she was really the bright light of that family. Her mom describes her as a rough and tumble kid, but with a pretty girly exterior nonetheless. Julie was kind. She was the mom friend and her group of buddies always there for anybody who needed any kind of help. Anybody else the mom friend, by the way, campers? I'm a mom friend for sure. Are you a mom friend? You seem like you would be a mom friend. Because you're like really solicitous anytime I'm having a bad day, I know. So. Yeah. So I am the mom friend and campers, like if you don't have a relationship with your mom for any reason, I'm your mom now. Oh, bless. That's so nice.

My parents always were very accepting whenever I'd bring home strays for holidays. I did that a lot where I'd just be like, my friend doesn't have a place to go. And they're like, all right, we'll set up another place at the table. So, yes, I am the mom's right. So you come from a long line of mom friends, it sounds like. That's really nice. And kindness like that was a value in the Kibuishi family. This was something that they taught the kids and they took pains to do.

But her mom said that she sometimes worried a little bit about Julie that she was a little too nice, too inclined to sacrifice her own needs for someone else's. To, as they say, set herself on fire to keep somebody else warm, you know, which can be a really dangerous trait to have. I tend to do that myself. And sometimes I can really be draining. So Julie valued her Japanese heritage. She also embraced her American culture.

She would bow when she met people, which I love. I've always thought that was the nicest little gesture. and I wish we did it here, you know, that little bow. Yeah, you just go to, the trick is you go to Japan for two weeks like I did and now I can't stop bowing. Oh. I always bow at people and I'm like, oh, God, this is weird. You just got in the habit when you were over there.

Yeah, because everyone you talk to, you bow and they bow. And then I saw this really cute interaction between a shopkeeper like at a makeup store and some like harried man who was looking for a gift for his wife or girlfriend. and they were like ending the conversation and she'd bow and he'd bow and then she'd bow and they'd got in like a competition of bowing each other. They're in a feedback loop of bowing. Exactly. You know, that's so funny.

So she was a sweetheart and she was amazingly talented at all kinds of stuff. She was a star athlete in middle and high school, softball mostly. She was an amazing and passionate dancer and she had a natural talent for fashion design as well. So very artsy, athletic to, like you, Katie. She was such a talented dancer that she'd gotten a coveted spot at the Orange County School for the Arts, which is, that's nothing to sneeze at. And she was also studying fashion design at a local college. So long on her plate. Yeah, this was a person who was a bright light.

Someone who's much loved, somebody whose absence was going to be felt hard. Yeah, absolutely. And now Julie laid dead in her good friend Sam's bed. shot twice through the head and possibly sexually violated. Sam's dad, Steve Hare, says that all he could think of in those first few hours was, oh my God, Sam, what did you do? Oh, my God. Can you fucking imagine?

You start out worried because he was supposed to head over to his parents the previous night and he didn't show up. And then you have to come to terms with him doing this horrible thing that he apparently did. Yeah, that'd be awful. Blame. Ugh. And, like, having to come to terms with the, that your loved one is capable of the worst possible thing is just, oh. Yeah, really. I don't know what I would do.

But he seemed so upfront about it. Like, right from the beginning, he, the first thing he did was called the police. Like, he didn't frantically try and get hold of his kid and say, how can I help you cover this up or anything like that? Like, you know, I think they seem like his parents seem like stand up people. Yeah. definitely. Well, Julie had met Sam Hare, her apparent killer, at community college. They were in an anthropology class together, and Sam was struggling, so Julie agreed to tutor him. And even after she helped him score an A in the class, they stayed friends.

Close friends. At one point, Sam's dad, Steve, had asked him, Hey, are you and Julie together or what? It made sense that they would be, given that they both had movie star looks and they were spending a lot of time together. But Sam said, no way. She's like my kid's sister. And apparently, Julie told some of her friends the same thing. So it was, to all appearances, very much a platonic relationship. But they were really close.

Yeah. And I'm sometimes skeptical when people are spending a lot of time together and then they keep denying that there's anything romantic going on. I mean, obviously sometimes it's true. But sometimes people are protesting a little bit. bit too much and then later you find out that you were right all along and they've been boning for months and now they're planning a wedding and they want you to be in it and so you never know sure yeah and sam was one of those people who was friendly with anybody and everybody he was a big

goofball with a good heart he was super close with his parents so much so that he had a huge tattoo on his chest of a heart and a rose with the words mom and dad in the middle oh that's nice although i suspect both my parents would have a litter of kittens each if i got a tattoo move anything, even their names with a big heart around them, which is funny because my brother is like really inked up and like they didn't like it initially, but they didn't kick up nearly the fuss. I guarantee you that they would if their precious little darling girl did the same thing. Yeah, usually people get the mom and dad tribute tattoos as a way to like be passive aggressive. Well, or ease their, ease their parents into the idea of like, look, I got this in honor

of you. I got a tattoo, but. It says, I love mommy, so you can't be mad. And they can be, it turns out. Yeah, mine would be anyway. And Sam was a big muscle-bound guy, an army vet who had fought in Afghanistan at one of the hardest hit bases. He'd seen a lot of shit. And when he got home, he started having night terrors and symptoms of PTSD. Julie admired Sam for his military service, and he'd confided in her about,

his mental health struggles. And in case you're not familiar with PTSD campers, it stands for post-traumatic stress disorder, and it's sadly really common among military veterans. The texts on Julie's phone suggested Sam had been having a bad night, and Julie had gone over to try to help him. The murder could have been an accident, a reaction to a flashback or a panic attack. When Sam realized what he'd done, he could have panicked and fled. Yeah, and of course the other options were even darker. Sam could have lured her there with his sob story about needing a shoulder to cry on and then assaulted and killed her. Or he could have been genuinely having a bad night, and when Julie got there, he tried to get her into bed,

and Julie could have rejected him, and he could have killed her in anger. I mean, it happens far, far too often. Whatever it was, they needed to find this guy and fast. So we already heard about those texts that Julie got from Sam the night she was killed. Well, that night, she'd gone out to dinner with her brother Taka and his fiancé. They were planning a wedding, and she was helping. And Taka's fiancé had asked Julie to be a bridesmaid and had given her that tiara, which she was still wearing as she lay dead on Sam Hare's bed. And that, I think, is one of the saddest details I've ever heard in a murder case ever.

It's the worst. Pretty little sparkly tiara that this poor girl was still wearing. Just, oh, my God. And everybody said she'd been in a great mood all night. And Taka, her brother, told Inventi her brother, told Inventiard. Investigators that Julie'd been planning to go right home after dinner, but right as their check came, she started getting those cryptic texts from Sam. So police put an APB all points bulletin out about Sam. He was described as armed and dangerous. And of course, Sam's parents were desperate to find him and ask him what the hell had happened.

They were worried that the police would get to him first, that there might be a shootout or something. I mean, it had to have been the most tense situation imaginable for the parents. They're thinking, you know, had he had a flashback? did he do this without realizing what he was doing? Had he had a night terror and just attacked her in her sleep could have just been a complete accident? Stuff like that has been known to happen.

To the police, it was cut and dried. This was a big dude who'd served in the military, been trained to kill, been traumatized by war, and was known to have these panic attacks and night terrors. Plus, when they ran a background check on Sam, they got a big hit. Years earlier, before Sam went into the military, he'd been tried for murder.

along with a big bunch of other defendants. Whoa. Yeah. So let that sit for a second. It was a gang thing. Sam was accused of luring another young man to an ambush in a parking lot. And the guy was shot and killed. So ugly stuff.

And Sam went to trial. He actually ended up being acquitted. Five or six others were convicted and a few more were acquitted like Sam. but obviously you look into a guy's background and you find this, acquitted or not, that's going to get your attention. I mean, certainly not every defendant who gets acquitted is actually innocent, just like not everybody who gets convicted is guilty. So it seemed like Sam here might have a predisposition for this.

And Sam's parents, Stephen Raquel, unsurprisingly, insisted he was innocent that the acquittal was correct. You know, they said, look, he was a kid. He fell in with the wrong crowd. He got caught up in something without realizing it whether that was true or whether that was parents being in denial or somewhere in the middle. Who knows? But they were living out a nightmare now

and their minds were racing in 50 different directions at once trying to figure this out. And the more they thought about it, the less it made sense that Sam could ever hurt anybody, much less his kid's sister, as he put, at Julie. So the parents started to wonder if Sam could have been abducted by the person who killed Julie. Now, think about that for a second. Does it sound absurd? I think it kind of a little bit absurd, yeah?

Families are good at denial. I mean, most people in general are really good at convincing themselves of things that they want to be true, no matter how far-fetched those things might be. But Sam's dad just couldn't bring himself to envision his son as a killer. And while the police went full speed ahead to get warrant secured for bank and phone records and all that kind of stuff, Steve Hare got hold of his son's bank records himself because he could do it. it faster than the cops could. He knew Sam had a nice nest egg. He had saved just about every cent from his deployment to Afghanistan. So this guy had $62,000 in the bank, which is pretty impressive for somebody in their 20s. Damn. I didn't have no $62,000 in the bank when I was in my 20s.

And Steve quickly discovered that Sam's ATM card had been used multiple times in Long Beach. So his dad's, Steve, went and staked out the bank where the withdrawals had. been made, hoping to see Sam or his car. He sat in the parking lot for hours, watching the ATM, but to no avail. But then, as he was sitting there, he got an alert on Sam's credit card. The card had been used a couple of times to order pizza, so he went to stake out the pizza place. And nothing happened, but right about this time, the police who had managed to secure a warrant to look into the bank records were discovering the same thing. And they had gotten hold of the ATM security footage, which showed a young-looking guy in a baseball cap.

And they'd just gotten something even better. Somebody had just ordered a pizza on Sam Hare's credit card. So they were thrilled, of course. Their killer was getting sloppy, using his own card to order food at wherever he was hiding out. Dumbass! So the cops sent the whole cavalry over to the house where the pizza had been delivered several cars, a helicopter, in case Sam bolted out a back window or something and they had to have an aerial view, the whole shebang. I mean, they were taking this shit seriously because this guy was dangerous. They came in guns blazing and found a bunch of scared teenage kids. Oh, no.

Yeah. One of the teenagers looked awfully familiar. He, in fact, was the face from the ATM surveillance camera. So they asked him his name and he said it was Wesley. And the house where the pizza was delivered to was his mom's house. He was just a kid. He was only 16 years old. And he was pretty much shitting himself with fear, as you can imagine, right? As I would have been at that age, too.

It probably would be now, to be perfectly honest. The cops found a locked door in the house, and they knocked and nothing. And so they ended up breaking down the store thinking that, okay, they're going to find Sam in there hiding in the closet. But nope. In fact, Sam wasn't in the house at all. He wasn't there. That was like Wes's mom's bedroom that she probably just locked because, you know, she had a house full of teenagers and she didn't want them like going through her underwear drawer or something right

Sam wasn't in the house but his ATM card was so they hauled ATM footage kid Wesley in for questioning and this kid was crying and shaking and freaking out and he said he'd tell him whatever they wanted to know uh yeah yeah when I was 16 I was terrified of every police officer I would think that you would tell yes yes whatever I mean it's like you feel like you're doing something wrong even when you're not. When a cop's looking at you, you're just like, what, what? What am I doing? I'm not doing anything, but you feel guilty.

So Wesley told them that he had been asked to make the ATM withdrawals by a friend of his, a community theater actor named Daniel Wozniak. Dan and Wesley's mom had met doing plays together at the theater, and Wesley's mom had come to trust Dan to sort of mentor Wes. So Dan Wozniak would sometimes pick the kid up from school if his mom had to work late, take him out for pizza, whatever, sort of like a big brother, little brother relationship. Now, that name, Daniel Wozniak, rang a bell with the detectives. And eventually they figured out that it was one of the names on the wedding invitation that they'd found on Sam Hare's kitchen counter on the day that Gugley's body was discovered.

So interesting, right? Yeah. Apparently, Dan had come to Wesley a few days earlier and told him he needed his help. Dan said he was going to do some work for a bail bondsman company. His job was to help collect money from people who owed. the bail bond agency. He said they had a guy named Sam Hare who owed a bunch of money. Dan had shown Wes a big folder full of paperwork on Sam Hare. You know, like, here's our file on this guy. Very official. Right? He said he needed Wes to make a few ATM withdrawals with this guy's

card. And if he wanted to, he could order a couple pizzas and have a small cut of the cash in return. He gave Wes the card and the pin number. He said to be sure to wear a hat and dark glasses. Dan also said he couldn't risk Sam seeing him or he might go deeper into hiding, which, sure. Yeah, so that's why he needed this kid to go and do it for him, supposedly, because that's how bail bondsmen operate, apparently. I mean, it's such absolute horseshit that I really cannot believe that this kid fell for it, but I mean, he was 16 and kids are pretty dumb. sometimes bless him or at least pretty gullible and dan was somebody west looked up to me he was a family friend so from wesley's perspective why would he lie to me i'm sure this is all above board

yeah i mean again maybe i was just gullible too when i was 16 but i would probably fall for this especially it was like a family friend yeah exactly but i would have been like mom something weird happened dad at least tell your parents like we're not trying to be too hard on wesley here but like Wesley, come on, man. I'm sure he learned his lesson. Mm-hmm. That's the School of Hard Knocks for you. That's the School of Hard Knocks, Wesley. You get swatted in your mom's house. Jesus. Can you imagine? Like, you're just sitting there playing PlayStation and you just

ordered a pizza and you're waiting for your pizza and suddenly just cop like kicks in the door and they all come running in. And then you hear the helicopter up above? Yeah, with the helicopter blades. And this poor kid was on 48 hours or whatever it was about the show. And he, like, you could tell, even just recounting it, he was still, like, just, oh, God, it was so scary. Poor Wesley. Poor Wesley.

So, Wesley, in his defense, did ask Dan, hey, is this illegal? Because he would tell him, if it were, of course, right? And Dan assured him, no, it's not illegal. He has special authority in cases like this because he's worth. working for the bondsman. Which apparently can do shit that, like, cops can't even do, right? Right. Yeah.

Yeah, Dan. Okay. Bail bondsmen are allowed to just take somebody's ATM card and withdraw money without permission. Yeah. That sounds reasonable. Sure. Yeah.

But, okay. What 16-year-old kid doesn't want to make some extra cash and score some free pizzas? So, Wesley said, all right, sure, I'll do it. So, Dan. had driven him to the bank, and Wesley had skateboarded up to the ATM. I love that little detail. I love that little detail. So he skateboarded up.

Yeah. The camera hadn't picked up Dan sitting in his car in the parking lot while his teenage buddy made the withdrawals. Which was the idea I suspect. Right. And they'd done this four times. The first time they did it, it was the first time Wes had ever used an ATM. And it took him a little while to figure it out. And when he got back to the car, Dan was all nervous and asked why the hell it had taken so long. And each withdrawal was around $400. Wow. So that's about $1,600, right? Yeah. So Daniel Wozniak. What was his connection to this case? Was he helping Sam run? Police suspected so. They quickly realized that Dan and his fiance, Rachel Buffett, were Sam Hare's neighbors.

at the apartment complex. Now, this was one of those like Melrose Place or Friends-style apartment complexes where everyone was young professional and they all hung out together and had pool parties and stuff. Dan and Rachel weren't just Sam's neighbors. They were also his friends. You know, I always wanted to live in an apartment complex like that when I was younger where like everybody's pretty and everybody knows everybody and they're all friends and we just pop in and out of each other's apartments without knocking, right?

Like, it seems very idyllic when you see it on friends. Now that I'm over 40, that just sounds like the fifth ring of hell. Like, no, thank you. Like, my brother's house is in a neighborhood like that. Like, the neighbors are really social and they get together for block parties and barbecues and all that kind of stuff. And my brother is a classic extrovert. So he's telling me all this, like, it's some kind of perk of the neighborhood.

And I'm just getting, like, steadily paler like, oh, my, oh, dear God. And you have to bring a covered dish and what? God, and I'm just like, I'd have to move. Like, I barely know our neighbors. Those of them that I do know, I know because of their cute dogs or cats. Like, I know the dogs and cats' names. I forget the people's names. I love our neighborhood because no one expects us to bring, like, potato salad to the July 4th potluck or whatever.

I know it makes you sound awful. I love my friends. I love my internet friends. And I'm not hiring right now. I'm good for now. Just let me live my life. We have this neighbor is like a grumpy old lady, and she once, like, knocked on our door to tell us she wanted us to move our recycling bins around to the other side of the house. So I guess her feeling was screw our neighbor on the other side, right?

It's unsightly, Whitney. I was just, like, the audacity. Like, I was just bewildered by, like, the audacity. Who the hell are you? Well, like, how do you think you have the right to dictate where my damn recycling bins go? Like, heck off. Heck off, Charlene. And also stop squirting the feral cats with a water gun. Those are not your birds. They're birds. He's eaten maybe three or four tops.

It's what cats do, okay? Anyway, I have issues with the neighbor lady. That was a rant. I apologize. Please continue. Would you want to live in a place like that? No. Maybe you were an extrovert.

No, I'm not an extrovert. I'm very much an introvert. In fact, so I have greeted my next-door neighbor in my apartment complex. exactly once right she's very nice but if I see her car like pull in at the same time I mine does I sit in my car in your car until she gets out and goes into her I just I can't handle the interaction I don't like it and I have a grumpy old lady too because I was taking my dog out and she had a she had her schnauzer it's always a schnauzer and I don't get me wrong I love schnauzers no like the dog didn't do anything of grumpy old lady name

Yeah. The dog didn't do anything wrong in this situation, but she was approaching me and my dog, and my dog does not play well with others. He's 115 pounds, and he's just not, he doesn't want to play. And she was talking to her dog about my dog and approaching me. And I was like, yeah, I was like, hey, he's not friendly. And she goes, oh, I thought so, because I see him cooped up in your apartment. What? Yeah. How dare. Oh, my God. Coopped up my ass. You take you out all the times. He's my constant companion. I take this dog everywhere. Freaking rude, man. See, this is what I'm saying. It's so, it's, and it's just mind your own business. Stay out of my biz notch. That's all I ask of anybody is just stay the hell out in my biz.

One day. One day we will just live in like a cabin out in the woods. You and I and all of the campers. Right. a planned community of true crime nerds with a lot of distance between the houses yeah so we can just hang out when we feel like it and no pot looks please for the love of god unless you feel like it then you go right ahead just don't invite us just don't invite us unless there's going to be cheesecake and then please do do it for the cheesecake okay so that was my rant we have problems yeah we really We do.

We love all of you. Yeah. If you guys were our neighbors, we'd be fine. So Daniel Wozniak was one of those larger-than-life theater types, outgoing, entertaining, the kind of guy you'd love to have a beer with. He had a big booming voice, a big personality, and a big beard. He actually looks like an ex of mine, who is also a larger-than-life theater type. I have talked about him on the show before Cambers. He's the one that told me I wasn't allowed to wear heels.

Oh, fuck. I hate that guy. Yeah. You know who you are, sir. Shame on you, man, baby. He and his fiancé, I'm talking about Daniel now, not my ex. Daniel and his fiance, Rachel, were sort of the stars of the local theater scene. They favored musicals, and Dan had a big baritone voice. They had recently wrapped a musical, in fact, and Dan and Rachel had brought down. the house in the two starring roles. I feel like every local theater has those people. Because I don't know if anybody listening did like community theater. I did community theater in high school and college. And we

had those exact same people. And like the same thing with the beard and the big booming voice. And like she was like a little blonde girl like Rachel Buffett. It's weird. It's like they're clones or something. It's weird. Anyway. All people are the same. So we'll leave

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