We Might Be Drunk - Ep 227: Jim Gaffigan (Fathertime)

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Fathertime joins on this episode of We Might Be Drunk, the always funny Jim Gaffigan. This episode is one for the comedy nerds and goes deep into the behind the scenes stuff. Sorry if its not your cup, but its a great clinic on comedy. Fathertime Bourbon makes a great gift for fathers day and Bodega Cat makes a great gift for yourself if your father left you. https://fathertime-bourbon.com Support the show and sign up for your $1 per month trial period of Shopify. Head to https://www.shopify.com/drunk Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD WMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ WMBD Clips Page: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Jim Gaffigan: https://jimgaffigan.com Sam Morril: YouTube Channel: @sammorril Instagram: https://instagram.com/sammorril Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: YouTube Channel: @marknormand Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marknormand Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets We Might Be Drunk is produced by Gotham Production Studios https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com/ @GothamProductionStudios Producer Matt Peters: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters   

I Was going yeah, I like it. He's like put out. I don't want to be there now the movie he has De Niro Pachino Kilmer, but the reason everyone loves it is Yeah, you guessed it, Wayne Grohl. Does he die in a robe in the end of the last scene?

Yeah. Haters loving it. So, who here is on a dating app? Tender, bumble, yelp. And who here has seen Heat? Yelp. Who here has seen Heat? It's like so dumb. And who here that has seen Heat is terrified to be on the stage with me, Wayne Grow.

That is, what a weird bitch. It's just for five minutes, I mean it's insane. Wow. It kind of becomes unfunny and then gets funny again. Yeah, right, right. It's cool that he's going right in. He's like, I'll write it out. Yeah, I mean, should we start it up?

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, we were just talking Val Kilmer, man. RIP Val Kilmer, one of the best. Yeah, great guy. Such a talent. Great documentary. Top secret. I grew up on that shit.

Oh, he's so good in that. Blew my mind. So funny. So funny, the scene where he's in a shootout with the windows and he bangs a hole in the window, it's like a circle, then they shoot him and it's an X, then he bangs another circle out, I mean, gold. I love when he's in the prison cell

and he keeps marking as if time passed and you think it's like 20 days, but it's been like 20 minutes. Yes, yes. I mean, it's so stupid. I mean, it's a really funny movie. The black-eyed chocolate moose. There's a lady with cleavage

who starts talking to this guy, he's a robot, and she starts rubbing her tits on him, and his antenna goes off. So good. So many great gags in that movie. Also Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Oh! Oh my god.

Great movie. He's so, and these are all like different types of comedy. So he's not just a great, versatile actor, but he's doing different types of comedic performances too. And like, dude, he's really funny in Tombstone. Great, he makes Tombstone. He's the reason to watch Tombstone. Yeah.

And he's in The Reign, he's in Top Secret, and The Doors movie. I know. Yes, and Top gun as Iceman but dude when he when he has that first showdown with Johnny Ringo and Johnny Ringo does all the fucking tricks with the gun and they just does the same thing with an empty glass of yeah It's so I mean he did ever gave you everything in tombstone like he's a badass. He's funny. He makes you cry in the honorable He's dude. He's so cool. Oh, yeah

He eat we didn't even bring up heat. Oh Heat one of the coolest Michael Mann's masterpiece. I don't know if it's my favorite Michael Mann movie, but I love it Yeah, but it's great man hunter. I might go the insider Insider great the insider is incredible. That's a hell of a movie, but I love Val Kilmer apparently Vita was telling me this that I Think they couldn't pay him what his rate was but he was like if you put me on the poster with Pacino and De Niro, I'll do it and pull up the poster I mean that's like a that's like a power move right there funny cuz I was always like why is he on the poster?

He doesn't seem big enough, but there you go. There you go. And he got a name on there too, look at that. Wow, good for Val. What a guy, great documentary if you wanna weep all night. Watch Val. It was a wreck on this podcast and I watched it because of you. Yes. And you said you cried and I got misty myself.

It passed the girlfriend test. I was like, let's try this. She's like, are you kidding? Who is this guy? I never heard of him. And then she was weeping like a bitch. She never heard of Al Kilmer? She is out to lunch this lady.

She's 16 years old. She doesn't know Brando De Niro. What? But she knows the Bachelor. She knows Below Deck. She knows the Kardashians. Below Deck. Yeah, it's not good.

Yeah, he was great, man. And he was in like, you know, talks about being, I mean, he was Batman. Oh yeah, well, let's not good. Yeah, he was great man, and he was in like you know talks about being I mean he was Batman Oh, yeah, well it was not bring that up. It's not the worst Batman, and he's and he's a good Batman It's just not a good movie. Yeah, Schumacher really got weird. He got gay was all about lips. Yeah It was all about Batman's lips. You're just like what do we do right here? That's when you get the black Batman Lips you're just like what do we do right here? That's when you get the black Batman Yeah, all right, and gene Hackman we gotta throw him in the mix to him. I did a thing on him yet Yeah, look at those. That's what I mean luscious beauties there. Yeah, he looks like he's in an S&M club in Berlin like what the hell

Is this Batman or am I about to get fucking spanked here? What the hell? I know, I'm wearing a ball gag over here. What is going on? Achi-machi, look at the cup on that son of a b. Was it the Clooney one or was it this one where he had nipples on the suit? That's the controversy about this one, he had nipples. Nipples on the suit. He's ripped, I mean he's got me in a wet market. Who is designing this where we're like, we need nipples? I also love that they draw on the six pack for this outfit.

I know. Like Batman's like, look, I do still drink. I don't have abs in this costume. Do me a favor and contrast this Batman with Adam West. Could there be more of a contrast? Like the doughiest white guy of all time and then a ripped six pack ab son of a B. Look at that.

That's just a regular dude. Adam West was fucking too. Oh, he was a poon hound. Oh my,, that's just a regular dude. Adam West was fuckin' too. Oh, he was a poon hound. Oh my, look at this, he looks Chinese. He does, yeah. He's a Chinese Batman. Started a fuckin' virus. God, it was easy to be a man back then.

You just did not be fat and you were killing it. Yeah, you're right, you could be doughy back then. You could be doughy, smoke cigarettes, drink all the whiskey you want, and you were good to go. Yeah, let me have my glass of whole milk with dinner. Ha ha ha, yeah, my pack of cigarettes and my wife with a black eye. The American way.

Burt Ward. Yeah, I mean, he turned down Batman and Robin, Val Kilmer, to do The Saint. Saint was cool. Yeah. Blind superhero. I never saw it. No, that wasn't, that was, wasn't that Daredevil? Well, that's Daredevil, but I think he's blind in this the Saint. Saint was cool. Yeah. Blind superhero. No, that wasn't, that was, isn't that Daredevil? Well, that's Daredevil,

but I think he's blind in the Saint. Is he? He's not a superhero, but he's blind, he's like a blind secret agent. Is he? I had no idea. Isn't he blind? He's blind in that Miroslvino movie.

You might be combining two. Oh, shit, you're right, I'm combining. Nevermind. How many blind superheroes are we gonna have? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. We got Stevie Wonder, we got Ray Charles, we got Daredevil. By the way, here's my beef with Daredevil.

They say he's blind, but then he's like beating up eight guys at once. His other senses are heightened. It's like, I don't think that's how. I don't think that's how it works. I think you'd be able to like smell a fart from the living room or something. I don't think you're able to just beat up

a whole crew of people. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It. I think you'd be able to smell a fart from the living room or something. I don't think you're able to just beat up a whole crew of people. That's a good point. Yeah, that's true. It's my bone to pick with Daredevil. You got a point. He should be reading more Braille. Why is there no Braille in Daredevil? What's up with Braille, by the way?

You ever do that? Have I ever felt Braille? Yeah. No, I read. Wow, as a goof. Let me see if I can read this little Bible scripture here written on the elevator. And it is just.

It's a tough life. It's tough, yeah. Yeah, damn, that's how you have to learn. Braille's great, you ever seen a book of Braille? It's just a book with all the buttons on it, you gotta do that. Damn. Do you think blind people,

do you think they're good at fingering? Oh, no doubt about it. They're feeling the bumps, they're like, oh, this tells a story, every vagina. Yeah. And the story is, she's been with other men who have a very very unholy disease Yeah, that's a lot of bumps In 1970 National Library Service put out a edition of Playboy in Braille. Thank you Wow bummer

You're like man. These are some sweet tits Great I read the article We did. This is great. I read the articles. Damn dude. Wow, that's very inclusive. I love it. It was our guest here?

All right, let's go. All right. Yeah, we got, yeah, Hackman, Kilmer. They go in threes, they say, so we'll see who's next. Damn. Speaking of, here's our guest. Hey! You're rolling. Oh, we're rolling who's next. Damn speaking of here's our guest We are you coming

We gave one to give Val Kilmer a shout out before you got it. We get a little odd. Yeah Cool jacket dude, you're looking good Let me tell you something all you need a fucking three motherfuckers. Let me tell you something. All you need are fucking three motherfuckers to take over a country. That's a good Randy Savage. That's all you need. Let me tell you something. Oh yeah. There's Jack Roy.

That's right. Hey. There you go. I think his real name is Jacob Cohen. Fun fact. Yeah. Jacob Cohen. From Queens. My name was Jacob Cohen fun fact. Yeah, Jacob Cohen from Queens And molested my father my father worked in vaudeville and his name was Cohen's I didn't want to use Cohen's white I'm good. It's great to be are you guys already drunk? No, we saved you for that. All right, no pressure

No pressure. I'm sorry. I'm late. It's all right. You're fine. It's a little bit It's farther away than I thought and who comes to this part of town It is very empty, but I like your setup here. I feel like it's upgraded a little bit. Yeah You actually you were in the other studio. Oh, yeah's right. Yeah, one of the early guests. Thanks for doing it back. You were slumming it back then. Yeah. Was I one of the early guys? You were one of the early early guests. How do I do this gif? Gif, gif, gif. Yeah, comedy. So you bang out a couple. Yeah, that's right. And then you hit the road and they post them. Yeah Hey sell tickets. You know speaking of giving you never gave us a whiskey. I did give you a whiskey

Oh, yeah, you know, but you brought another one. I bought I'm at the studio. Whoa There's this is the new edition. What's different about it? Well, it's like each is a small precious batch Instead of a small batch. I call it a precious because it all has to do with children. Yeah and What I call Brad Williams, but this is But this is the night so like there's regular strength, and then there's empty nester strength I bet you your parents can identify with the empty nest or strength. They got their boys I bet you your parents can identify with the empty nest or strength. They got their boys

But no, so why we drink the empty nester sure whichever one you want it's one tire proof Let's give us higher, but I know you probably need you probably need the lower proof. What's that supposed to women so people that I was thinking about this on the ride over here So like are people that enjoy this punk just obviously they're all types of people. But would you say that there are more people that love the juice or more people that just love the two? That's a good question. I'd say more comedy but we also got a lot of alcoholics. We got a lot of sober people.

We got a big sober listenership too. Sober listenership too. Sober listenership too? Yeah. So all right, so do we have, so I think we go empty nest or something. Yeah! Are we going on the rocks straight up? What are you doing? I'd love if you got a big rock.

Oh, you better believe it. Yeah, you know, like sometimes you encounter these, these purists that are like, it took them forever to get the water out of the thing Right, why would you put water near it? But I believe it brings something out here here here. Let's Nice right, but I know you guys are rye guys, right? Oh, yeah. Well, you better believe it bourbon Yeah, this is a bourbon. Oh that smells really good, dude, right? Very nice. So wait a minute. So you probably get so much But you didn't try it when I sent it last time. I did try it.

I have it at home on the cart, the bar cart. I did try it, I enjoyed it. All right, hit me, baby. Oh, I love a big, big ol' rock. So kind of good. I love a big rock. Yeah. I love a man. What's your favorite whiskey cocktail, Jim? I'm not, I'm like, this is exactly how I like it.

All right. I love High Proof. Oh yeah. And I like it with a big rock. And yeah, here we go. Here we go. Look at that, I feel like Don Draper. Right?

Mm, mm. See bourbon has a sweetness to it. That's really good. That's a good drink dude, right and so Yeah, there is something about Shills I wanted I want to talk to you guys about your journey with your ride because when you started it, as anyone who's listening who does partake or maybe they listen because they partake too much, there is an evolution. So what you loved about a drink at the beginning or even a whiskey at the beginning can evolve. So like you, like I like a much higher proof than when I started even with Father Time. I was very obsessed with wanting it to be smooth. That was just because I had tried celebrity brands and so

many of them were like, you're like, oh my God, this is, it's, there's a difference between it being strong and it being bad. So I wanted it smooth so that if someone is a casual drinker that they could partake in or if they're going to mix it, even though I think I like a high proof and just drinking it straight. But how about you guys? How has it shifted? Do you like a higher proof now than when you started? Good question.

I mean, it all depends on the flavor really to me like if it's smooth I don't I'll do whatever but I mean yeah, I drink a lot of Manhattan's like that's kind of my post show drink on the road But if I'm doing straight up like I like everything I do I like a peaty scotch I like look at the little bourbon. I like everything so oh yeah, but this is very good. Thank you It doesn't taste super high-proof, which is a compliment Yeah, sometimes you get those those wild turkeys and it's like a shot of gasoline, you know Yeah, no it is and so you'll do it after a show. You know what I find so amazing about bourbon Or whiskey in general because I'm I'm really kind of like a once the pandemic hit

that's what opened me up to whiskey and stuff, is I can have two. I mean, and if my tour manager was watching this, he might be like, you have more than two sometimes. But I'll have two and I'm good. Yeah, two's perfect. Do you know what I mean? Whereas beers, you can be like, I'm on number eight and I'm kind of getting a buzz. But with two whiskies, you can be like, I'm a number eight and I'm kind of getting a buzz. Yeah. But with two whiskeys, you can be good. Does that sound like the rationalization

of a total drunk? No, two is very modern. We talk about this all the time with martinis, the famous quote, they're like tits, right? Two is the perfect, one's not enough, three's too many. Yeah, that's great. Don't you have two and feel good, one another one? That's my problem.

Yeah, no, well that definitely, but the good thing is if I'm at home or if I have to get up, I'm not gonna do it. You're right, right, two's the move. Are you an at home? Yeah. You're an at home drinker. Yeah, I mean that's the-

Does your wife drink with you or no? Yes, yes, but that's some of, and I know you're new to the game, but like, and people that are watching are listening it's like they're you know, some of what started this was When you deal with teenagers, which is like dealing with mentally ill people You need something to take that edge off. So like in the 50s they were like I had a hard day at work and You know when you have teenagers, you're like, I need a break.

Right. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah, I'm scared of that age. Yeah, you'll be dead, don't worry. Ah, woo, thank God. You had that first sip, there's something like that hits so nice, like when you're stressed and you just have like a sip and you're like, oh, I'm fucking.

It works. I feel like things are gonna be okay. Right. Yes. Yeah, it I feel like things are gonna be okay, right? Yes Yeah, it does feel like there is the productivity though that I Feel like sometimes can get in the way like there is some particularly writing comedy like if I would come home And and I would feel inspired to write if you know, this is kind of like turning off the brain inspired to write if you know this is kind of like turning off the brain yeah but for me it's not like let's have a couple of whiskies and then we'll think of comedy I'm kind of like let's have a couple whiskies and fall asleep right

comedy's over we did that part but it depends on the comics I remember I I'd be out with Jim Jefferies and I'd be like oh this guy's like writing at the bar he'd be like telling a story and I could see him like picking up where the laughs were and I was like, oh this, Jim writes drinking. I get it. Well not anymore, I don't think he drinks. He doesn't drink anymore.

But yeah, I pictured you writing jokes at like, at a computer, just like typing out. Like all your jokes feel like very organized. I feel like I work 15 times harder, Like I do it the hardest way possible, which is I'll have an idea. Sometimes I'll improvise something on stage, but then it's I'll listen, kind of break it down, and then try and find angles around it and then just chip away. Whereas occasionally something will come out fully formed or at 70% but otherwise I feel like I'm just mining.

I feel like I'm a coal miner. Same, same. You know what I mean? Were you throwing stuff at the wall? Because every time I see you even in like Gotham I'm like fuck, that's like polished. That's like perfectly well done. Oh, what's that?

Yeah, I don't see you bomb everything. I don't really see you bomb. Oh, no. So how do you not bomb? Well, there is, I mean, as you guys know, there's moments that feel like bombing. Sure. You know what I mean?

And then there's the jokes you pull up to kind of right the ship. Right. But there is, yeah, no, there's, sometimes it's throwing out ideas and I feel like I've also been doing it so long where I know what'll kind of work. But for me, I think there is, I can play on the road, you know, if I'm doing an hour 10 and I'm doing in front of a home crowd, right? It's a home game. I can play a little bit if, you know, if I'm doing an hour 10 and I'm doing in front of a home crowd, right, it's

a home game, I can play a little bit if they know my point of view. Right, that's true. There's a certain trust there and I would never just go on a rant for too long. But if I'm feeling some give andand-take I'll go with it. But otherwise I don't know some of it is See, you know, like everything's a metaphor for me So like some of it is gathering seeds because I also garden, you know, I mean, so it's gather really the ultimate dad yeah, I am and so like gathering seeds, but like Some of them take longer to germinate.

Right. Yeah, yeah. Ain't that the truth. And you know like during those first six years you're like why isn't this working? I know this is funny. Yes. And now you know like I gotta put it away. Either I haven't learned how to develop it or I haven't found the right angle on it. Yes. It's like beef jerky, I'll leave it for a while

and then come back. But that's hard to do in the early years. It's very hard to do in the early years. Because you have no material. But all these like word docs of like, I never fucking figured that one out. It's like they're like cold cases or something. Yes.

Well, I have so many word docs of the same joke over and over again. I worked on that for like a month and just changing a certain approach to it and it doesn't make any difference. But then you'll be on the subway and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it.

Right? Yeah. It's the best feeling. You get a gift. Yes. You have to kind of kill your ego because you're like, it's gotta be this way. And then one day you let it go long enough have to kind of kill your ego because you're like, it's got to be this way.

Then one day you let it go long enough that you kind of fall out of love with it and then you can see it clearly. Yeah. Finally. And then there's the touring which is provides kind of the purity of it. Like I just did shows in Vancouver because I have a lot of material on bourbon and whiskey. Not a lot of material on bourbon and whiskey, not a lot, but like and you know when you do an international show things might be slightly different even though

Canadians and Americans obviously there's a lot of overlap but it's the shift of like just you know Canadian whiskey is obviously a huge thing. Oh yeah. And then you add in the tariffs and you add in all this. So it's this thing where I'm like, oh, I can't work on this chunk the way I want to. But that also provides, you know, so instead of writing, presenting the jokes as bourbon, I would present them as whiskey. And so, and then that would lead me into, like there's so much to learn also just on the topic of whiskey

in general for me just because I was such a late bloomer, you know what I mean? Sure. Yeah, I remember you had a bit where you said you didn't drink. Yeah. I remember it's an old Gaffigan bit from like a Letterman set and I remember you're like, I love the joke. You're like, it's hard to get aigan bit from like a Letterman set and I remember like I love the joke You're like, yeah, it's hard to get a woman, you know to drink on a date when you don't drink You're like all the water and the lady will have a shot of Jaeger. Yeah, I love that bit

Perfect liquor choice in that bit. Yeah So no, it's weird. Yeah the mining do you ever have a thing where I feel like I'm bombing I'm bombing for weeks And then one day you do your act and you're like, oh I have like Nine new minutes. It's because it was gradual you weren't noticing how much pro progress you were making You're great at staying with bits though I'll stay with a bit. He'll stay with a bit like I will be like if it's not pulling its weight I'll dump it and I'll look back in like a month or two with fresh eyes, but like There's only so long you can give it if it's dragging down the whole set.

It's like sports. This guy's not pulling its weight down the G-League. Yeah, right. It's just the team isn't working in that order. Yes, yes. That's what's so crazy. I shifted the order of my hour right now, and this joke that used to really kind of, it was kind of a segue chunk.

After I get done with a chunk, I kind of segue into another one and it used to kill and I move this whole chunk back and now it's kind of like, eh. Interesting. Just because of when it arrives and it adjusts things. So like moving, as you guys know, moving the order changes everything. Huge. I mean I do think that at the beginning it should be autobiographical.

I mean this is just what I know. Out of the gate in an hour? I think it has to be a little, I mean I'm a very, Seinfeld hates this stuff, but I'm a very observational guy, right? But I believe that you have to be, you have to give some autobiographical, some intimacy. I have a larger theory. I believe that because of reality shows, there is a certain price of entry that we live in such a voyeuristic and exhibitionist culture

today versus say the 90s or the 80s. So if you look in the 80s or the 90s, Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock, people didn't really – they knew their points of view obviously very different. But like, but the Chris Rock of 2005 or 2015 or 2020, people need to know he has to do something biographical. Well, the tangerine is so different than like, never scared. Like, yeah, Chris started digging, started mining this person. The divorce. The divorce stuff's the most interesting stuff

in that hour to me, too. Like, I love this stuff. And Seinfeld, you know, it used to be like a joke about this, The divorce stuff's the most interesting stuff in that hour to me. And Seinfeld, you know, it used to be like a joke about this, a joke about that, and now there is, and it varies on the autobiographical, but I think because of reality shows there has to be a certain amount. I mean, by the way, it's like podcasts reveal a lot of intimate details indirectly. You know what I mean? So like people that come to your shows,

and by the way, here are the shows listed. Here's where Mark's going, and here's where Sam's going. That people are like, because they listen to this podcast, it'll inform their experience of watching the show. Well yeah I get a million you get these audience members like when you talked about OCD that hit home and that's why I became a fan and I told my friend with OCD so yeah some people just want I used to think like the relatable stuff was what people wanted oh I know what it's like to fiddle with shoelaces oh that's

that guy's my guy now but I think it is the you talked about growing up in the South, I'm from the South. That feels like it's what grabs people, the family stuff. Like when Louis started talking about his baby that he hated, I think that's when he blew up. Yeah, yeah. No, I think there is, yeah, it's weird. It's weird because I believe that some of it is, there is the emotion, but I'm also a big believer in substance.

It has to be substance. Obviously you guys are both substance guys. But what does that mean, substance? That means where it's also kind of, Has to mean something? It's style versus substance. Now, it used to be like Stephen right is Absolute he's so substance. That's his style. Yeah, right. Oh interesting. So

so like an example of someone whose style is They do an hour The crowds killing but if you ask the crowd tell me one of his or her jokes they'd be like or if they've if the substance is the joke it's the craftsmanship got it does that make sense? Now I get it I get it I thought you meant they had some kind of weighty like the meaning of life kind of thing. Yeah, no, I don't think it has to be... Poignant. It doesn't have to be poignant.

No. It just has to be... Yeah, there has to be some... You can have both too, those are the best kinds. But you have to be poignant. Like, I tell. You have to have a little bit of both. It's weird when a comic would force,

trying to be poignant when they'd be doing just like racist street jokes and they'd be like, but guys, we gotta get along. We gotta like... That's the whole thing we got to get together you know these asian people but guys it's all right as you know i'm just joking i think we should all get along right and so like some of those people are really likable people and they can do yes the dose of divide and then a little bit of a hug and because they're so likable, people are like that hug was so good, I forgot that your entire act

is just misogyny. Oh, sorry. Oh, no, go ahead. Well, there's a lot of those style guys, they tend to not do standup forever and I feel like they can go into like interviewing or a game show or something like that because the substance is so much work and if you can just get get hot off style like a Belzer, I think he was all style and now he's on you know Law and Order for 50 years. But yeah, but you're right, but like that's because you're all style it lends to like good

characters or something. Yeah exactly and I'm not taking away from the guy. No he's a great he's great on Law and Order. You're better off as an actor or something. And by the way, he was, not that I'm an expert on it, but he was really like a definitive New York comedy club character. He was, you know, a fell before and after.

And a very smart guy, if you hear in interviews and stuff, like very smart. What were you gonna say there? Oh, I mean, I'm just thinking about what Jim said about like being personal versus like this mystique, but like I'm thinking about like, cause you're kind of like in between errors guy, cause you're not, you haven't been doing it

as long as Jerry, but like you were doing it to stand up in the 90s. So you're a guy, I feel like you kind of made a name for yourself off the observational humor and then you kind of adapted. and I think like Mr. Universe, that's like such a personal special. Oh yeah. You have all these like families.

So I think like it's interesting because you kind of bridge the gap a little bit where like you, I mean I think of when you blew up and it was like the voice, like oh shit, no one had done the audience voice. Yeah, brilliant. And then you, I think of the Hot Pockets bit and all these observational bits that blew you up.

So it's kind of interesting. Yeah, that's not personal. It is interesting. Yeah, I mean, you did the bacon bit on, like I remember all these bits on Letterman, like, oh, these are just like, I feel like Mark and I almost got the idea of comedy, that, oh, we can just be observational

because guys like you were doing that. And I think comedy did change a little bit where they want more. I think you're right. But could, but could Carlin work today? Carlin is zero personal, zero. Well, he is, I mean, you know, not to nerd out too much. Nerd out, baby. There's prototypes or buckets, right?

And first of all, he is a truth teller, right? He is a truth teller. And some would believe that the problem of today is that our truth tellers are not challenging authority. Whereas like, Carlin, he would be on, someone would be interviewing for his book and it would be a political show and he'd be like, this whole political system's bullshit.

And they would be like, and so the whole thing is there are certain prototypes. This is what I've, in talking to comedians over the years, I think there's the preacher, Chris Rock is a preacher. Who else is a preacher? I mean, Kinnison was definitely, he was an actual preacher. Kinnison was a preacher. And again, this doesn't have to be, but some of it is that's a performance style. Then there's the clown. Howie Mandel's obviously that prototype and Mark Cohen, you know, it's like playful, joyful, you know what I mean?

And, uh. You know the Mark Cohen joke where he said, a cop knocked on my door. Ah, it's my favorite joke. A cop knocked on my door, he goes, we're looking for a rapist. He goes, I'll see what I can do. That's a great joke.

So perfect. And Mark is so sweet. He's like. Right guy. Yeah. And Mark is so sweet. Yeah, great guy. Yeah. And so, but like there's, and then there's the observational guys and then there's, there's kind of like the, there's the, the, you know, like some of it is the professional bombers, the train wrecks, which are kind of have the spirit of, even though he was a jokesmith, right? Rodney. Looking Rodney is is like, and he was next level.

Yeah. I mean, what he was communicating in these one-liners was just, it transcended in a strange way because his, in my belief, his demographic reach was ridiculous. Oh yeah. So like he got everyone. He got, you know, he got the, you know,

the Borschtfeld audience, he got the, the, Married audience. The blue collared guys. He got the kids who were like, this is like my grandpa. He got the 15 year old boys. Yeah. And he got the comedy nerds. Yeah.

You know, that's very rare. So, wait, you didn't answer the question. Could Carlin work? Because it was all basically social commentary and some observational sprinkled in. But he did the absurdist one-liner. He did the absurdist too. He had phases.

Yeah, he went through phases. He kind of did every discipline. Yeah, I think that he would've, you know, look, he would've faced a lot of criticism like he was facing. Even like his last special, I mean, that his chunk on suicide is one of my favorite things ever. Mark and I talk about it's bad for you all the time

because I think the one before, Life is Worth Losing was kinda like a miss for and I talk about it's bad for you all the time because I think the one before, Life is Worth Losing was kind of like a miss for him, but then it's bad for you. You're like, damn, this is a great special. Old guy still got it. And he was fun because you watch Twitter and it's like, the right will claim him when he's like, these pussies, you can't say anything now.

And then the left will claim him like, abortion, what are we doing? We gotta make it legal. And that's a real comic when like, every side is fighting for you. Yeah. And and so yeah, I think it would work. I think he would be There would be a lot of criticism. He would go. Oh, yeah in and out of favor But I've been great on podcast so because if you see him in interviews, he's fucking hilarious It wasn't just the written stuff where he was funny. He was so quick and he was so thoughtful

He had an opinion on every goddamn subject out there. Yeah, I remember at the original Improv, which was on 44th Street, this was probably in, so when I started in 90, 91, the thing, yeah, I know, what year were you born? So like, you would go to the it was really it was down to like Because the comedy collapse had happened it was down to the improv and strip and the strip

Stand-up, New York was still Boutique II kind of like and the seller was like the seller you couldn't get in Stand-up, New York you couldn't get in you could either get in the improv you mean just like they wouldn't book you at the time Well, they weren't they weren't embracing They didn't need new people so like the in the 80s when when a stand-up comedy became a joke on the Simpsons Right how bad it was brick wall there was they did not need anyone at the Comedy Cellar It was still the goal the Comedy Cellar was still the goal. Mm-hmm Stand-up New York was much more of a curated kind of Upper West Side

New Yorkers where it was like the the New Yorkers that that would go But it was and some of this is just my perspective, so I might have it wrong. So like, there was the original improv and the comic strip. And the original improv was run by Silver Friedman, Bud Friedman's ex-wife, and the comic strip was run by Lucian Holt. Yeah.

We've heard so many stories about Lucian. And both of them were kind of power corrupts, you know what I mean? So like there was, you know, you hear about these kind of, now they weren't, they weren't, you know, predatory, not that I know of, they weren't highly abusive, but it was some psychological manipulation that they could justify that would not exist today. So like at the original improv, if you were passed or you were given an okay, even before you auditioned, you were encouraged to sit and watch every night. Wow.

That's brutal. So I would sit and I would watch. That's the punishment. Community service. And so you would watch some good comics. Do you remember who you watched? You were like, this guy's good. David Tell. Yeah.

Quinn. Brett Butler. Wow! Colin was kind of out of it for a little bit. Really? Colin, when I first started, there was no Jon Stewart, there was no Colin Quinn. I think he had kind of like, he was on MTV and he was kind of doing his, you know.

Oh, right. He was in a different, like he and John Stewart were employed. Right. You know what I mean? And so. But Stewart you see in the clubs. I wouldn't see John Stewart. Not even later?

He was kind of just done on Larry Sanders I never really saw yeah, so like he was beyond Larry's he was kind of at a whole other level like he was talkshow after talkshow Darling and so But you would go and hang out at the original improv and I would go and I would hang out there And you know who was Andy angle was there why? Improv and I would go and I would hang out there and you know who was Andy angle was there why Who else was there that guy was a he was a poisonous character. Yeah

He was kind of everywhere right and so But like hanging out at the original improv which had all this history which chair would still get some some, but Silver didn't know how to get people there the way Bud did, or maybe it was just such a comedy recession that no one could have done it. Whereas Lucian kind of filled, he would paper the room. Got it. Which means free tickets to people that don't know the story.

And so the comic strip ended up being very observational joke joke kind of the kind of Seinfeld joke jokes, kind of like the remnants of the 80s. Silver who was an artist, she was a former dancer, and the original improv had this spirit of being much more of Gilbert. Broadway? Oh. You know, Andy Kaufman, you know, like it started as much more of that coffee house kind of. There would be different types of people doing different things.

So it was, she embraced more organic, autobiographical, Brett Butler, like Brett Butler, I'm sure she's still alive, maybe she isn't, I don't know. She was an amazing comedian. Really, I've never seen one minute of her stand up. She was amazing. And I would watch her and she would come in and destroy. Wow.

And so she... She's around, she just acted in something. Yeah. And so, she... She's around, she's just acted in something. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. Her TV show was fun. Yeah, and so like, so I was hanging out at the improv and as, and again, I don't think I was even passed.

I think I passed and it closed. Ha ha ha ha. After I invested a couple years. That would happen a lot. That's comedy, baby. So, but George Carlin came in. Don't miss out on sales just because your online checkout sucks.

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She called in a favor, he was in the area. Was there a crowd, I hope? Yes, there was a crowd. Did word get out that he was gonna be there? Again, it was 93. I know there was an audience, but I remember watching him backstage and he had all his jokes written out, but I remember watching him backstage

and he had all his jokes written out, underlined in different colors, and maybe he was at a certain point in his development of that hour, but it was like, oh, this guy does his homework, and he was looking at things and I'm trying to not be like, ugh. But it was pretty amazing. Then he went on stage.

He obviously did great, but I would see Kevin Brennan kill up there. You know what I mean? Kevin Brennan was a gun. Great jokes. And Louis was always doing something interesting, Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? Kevin Brennan was a gun. Great jokes. And Louis was always doing something interesting, but like Attell was just like, like his on-base percentage was insane.

Yes. He was each hero, man. Every time. Still is. Shortest swing in the game, man. It was unreal. It's unreal. He's still unbelievable.

Yeah. And it's just, it's just a- But you have that. I see- Just in the bones. You do my show all the time at New York Comedy Club, and it's just, it's just a, But you have that, I see. Just in the bones. You do my show all the time at New York Comedy Club and I see you with the notebook, the binder, and you're right before you go on,

you're doing like just a couple of more checks, okay, what's that new line, and then boom. I was thinking the same thing. You seem so disciplined. I mean, I've talked to Ryan Hamilton about you because he had done some dates with you and Seinfeld together, and I was like, and I'm a nerd about this. So I'm like, what's the routine?

What a Jim and Jerry do show day. And he said, Jerry and I usually see a movie. Jim gets to the venue early and is doing his notes. Yeah. I mean, those Jerry shows were great because there is a lot of value in having fun, constructive fun, because when you do the shows with Jerry, you have breakfast, then you go to a, because when you do the shows with Jerry,

you have breakfast, then you go to a movie. Then you sometimes get lunch, then you go for a walk. And I'm like, Ooh, I love it. Like when I travel, because, you know, I like to think it's because I am a parent, but like I'm catching up on sleep and I'm writing. Do you know what I mean?

Because sometimes in New York, and sometimes I'm dealing with phone calls. I mean, as we all know, it's like, you're like, oh, I got nothing to do that day and then that day fills with stuff. Every time. But yeah, Jerry, I think, has a different approach. But yeah, I like to go to the theater.

But he's still writing, it seems, all the time, right? Oh yeah, he's all resummented. He's got his workout schedule, his writing schedule. But he is also, it seems all the time. Yes. Oh, yeah, he's all regimented. He's got his workout schedule his writing schedule But he is also like he doesn't and you know, there is something there's different theories on this where He doesn't record is set and I've heard I've talked to other people and he doesn't record it Sanity and he so easy. He said to he makes a point of remembering And he makes a point of remembering. And I've read this from other comics. It's like, well, you should remember that line.

It should be that important. And some of it is like, maybe I've just destroyed, as I sit around all these bottles of alcohol. But like, my short term memory is not great. Sure, that's true. Like it's not just the joke, it's the tone of the joke and also hearing, listening back to the joke is usually how I start writing. I have to listen to the set and then I get in my comedic rhythm.

Goldman said the same thing. Goldman's the one who used to talk to me about that all the time. Yeah, no, he, I feel like Gary really has a process too. And there's, it's, you know, cause I have this 13 year old who's really into basketball and he's kind of starting. It's like all of it, like athletics and process of comedy, it's like you make it so you have the best opportunity in the game.

Do you know what I mean? So like the process of writing allows you to be in the best position for when the joke arrives. And the process of preparing for a game is so that when it is your time to take the shot, you're not nervous because you've been working on your form shooting anyway. Yeah, I never get these comics who are just like,

they just tell the same jokes over and over or their career kind of stays the same and they're like, what do I gotta do? And I'm like, you gotta write. And they're like, ah, write on stage. Yeah, but the problem is the culture of a lot of these New York clubs, not to throw shade here, is to kill.

It is. And when the culture is to kill for- Then it's like, why risk it? But you can finesse. You can do a couple in the middle and make it work. But that takes a certain, that takes a muscle. But you gotta learn that muscle. And sometimes you get on

and what if the audience is not great? Well there's that too. These people are protecting their rent checks and it gets to a point where then that becomes your life. Those spot pay spots as opposed to like the grander goal of turning out material which is when Mark and I were coming up we watched guys like you or Louis, or people turned over the jokes,

and to us that was the move, but it is scary when you're new at the cellar, or one of those clubs. I get it, I get it. And all of a sudden you're like, I got no spots, what the fuck, I've been killing, and then you're like, oh, this is arbitrary, this is meaningless, like,

you have to do it for you and not for the spots, you know? Yeah, I think there's a way to teeter both side get you out and kill you that is a muscle But it's a skill as Jim is saying but I think every guy's gonna learn just like you learn the skill of stand-up That's part of stand-up. That's a tool on the belt. I think yeah, I think we just get comfortable, you know Yeah, that too and writing is hard It's hard to sit down and do the fucking work and have the discipline. And also what works, you know, for six months, suddenly that becomes stale. So you have to mix it up. You're like, oh, I go on the subway and I always think of a line. It's like, no, that worked the wrong time. Then you have to sit there and... This is my lucky car right here.

But there's a reason. I do believe that, I believe that environment, I mean, I'm such a nerd about this. I believe environment is a key contributor to your ability to write. So I believe a little bit of a home team helps. So like they know your point of view, they're rooting for you.

That's why like I like you go to LA it's like those LA comics and Largo you're like it's like Moses going on stage right because they know them. Yeah, no one's beyond the name. They know the point of view They've developed a relationship But I also think that that could be a curse to the shape of the room think that that could be a curse to the shape of the room like if look I think the seller is beyond a doubt one of the best comedy clubs or the most important comedy clubs in America but I think if people are walking by that's not good I agree that's great for interactive that's great for developing short jokes, that's great for certain things, but like a stage like

even Eastville New York Comedy Club, that's a great setting for a little bit of both. But I think like Gotham or the old Carolines was presentationalational and the thing about presentational is that I believe stand-up is a kind you know some of it it's like it's it's a question of like the value of crowd work like I think it's definitely a skill I think that it is also in some ways a waste of time. Sure. I agree. You know what I mean? It's like sugar. It's like it's fun, but it's not, I need real food. No nutritional value. It's there kind of like, all right, for dessert it's fine.

At the end it's fine, but you need a base. You need real food. Yeah. And the material is the real food. Yeah, no one's quoting Chris Rock's crowd work from 10 years ago. Right. They're quoting the great bit.

Yeah. And you're someone who clearly labors over chunks. I mean, like when I think of chunks, like you brought up Goldman. Goldman's great at chunks. Great at chunks. And it's a skill to keep the ball in the air, so to speak.

You're really good at that. I mean, when you're building bits like that, are you flooded with ideas? Or is it like, this is brick by brick. I had one thought on bacon and now it's, or like how does that process work? Yeah, I mean it's, some of it's brick by brick, it's, but it also is, that's the other balance

is like how long do you hold on to a topic. Yes, yes. Right, because, and I debate this with Jerry, because Jerry's like, why are you in a rush? Which is a very intelligent, because some of Jerry's longer jokes, the reason they're so long is because he had. 10 years old.

He had this chapter with it, then he put it away, and then he brings it back, and then he brings it back and he can add two more sections to that chunk, which makes it so brilliant. What I learned in doing the bacon jokes is if you get long enough on a topic and you're not reintroducing the topic, you can throw in a B or a C level joke in the middle of this A chunk and it gets longer and longer. So like the kind of like that's a cute observation can slide in and I'm not talking about like it being filler but it's, you know, there's a different purpose.

Well points for keeping it going too is like I think the crowd's like holy shit he's still, I mean I remember when I saw it on Letterman, when you did that bit, and you go, you can't tell me Kevin Bacon's success has not, like his name has nothing to do with it. You got that in there. You got that, I was like, oh my God, he's just gonna keep going? It was a thing, I think we were watching with my family,

and everyone was laughing, so like, holy shit, he's just still going on one subject. Your bit about the password strength on the internet, we won't get into it, I know it's probably, is that on anything yet? Is that still in English? Yeah, that's on the internet. We won't get into it, I know it's probably, is that on anything yet? Is that still English? Yeah, that's on the Hulu. Okay, that bit, I watched you work that out at Gotham

and I could see people hitting each other going, I know what he mean, oh it is weak, oh yeah. To me that's when it's a magic show. Like everybody's on board, but if you go, what is that, your mom? I thought you were fucking her. You know, you're like who gives a fuck That doesn't it's it's quick for it's four seconds

But that awkwardness password thing that hits home and you're like it brings everybody together in a weird way Yeah, and I agree there is a place for crowd work, but it's like it's it's bonus. It's not the main thing I think I think you get the clip and move on sure and I think also it's It's it's bad training for the audience. If they get a taste for it they're like aren't you gonna talk to you know and when I say me they mean the entire audience. So you don't have to talk to me but talk to someone. Right. We know these rooms too. There's rooms like I remember playing like governors and I'm like oh they're just gonna talk the whole time.

Yeah. Yeah. They just talk at the table. I'm like you know I'm here like governors. I'm like, oh, they're just gonna talk the whole time. Yeah Yeah, they just talk at the table. I'm like, you know, I'm here like I'm on stage I know those are always the weird ones to where you're like You're like, oh you didn't you they're having dinner and you're just there. Yeah weird gigs. Yeah, they're fast. I mean it's It is so fast. It's a show. Yeah Just start a conversation with you while you were on stage last week? She kept heckling me and I had to do one of these where you're like, you play with it at first, you get a couple laughs out of it, and then you're like, I gotta get back to my act. But you can feel her sitting there, and you know she's gonna say something again,

so you can't focus, cause you just don't know what she's gonna yell out. Oh my god, the worst. And then eventually she yelled out again, and I was like, can we do something here? And then the guy throws her out which is so fucking annoying because I then you look like the town exactly Crowdwork makes people think like oh, I'll yell and the poor security guys like is this a crowd work moment Or is this a disruption was probably drunk and you know in her logic. She thought she was helping. It was my wife You know it's like it's also different when you're doing an hour 20 or whatever on the road versus those 15-minute club sets We were like I need that. I need to figure out a joke right? Yeah. Yeah, but if I were 20

I don't give I'll indulge it if it's a long set But when it's so short such like I really also it can change the energy of the room for the next comic It's crowd work on those short sets can be annoying. Yeah. yeah, yeah, it's a precious amount of time. I remember when there used to be a big thing where, I don't think it happens anymore, but this is like in the 90s, there would be people that would go on stage and bring a drink.

They would go on stage with a drink, and they would be like, and maybe people do it now. I do that. But in and they would be like, and maybe people do it now. I do that. But in some ways it's like, you can't go 15 minutes. Oh, I see. But it used to be more of like, people would go on stage and during the set they would smoke a cigarette.

And by the way, I did that. I would smoke a cigarette. You smoked cigarettes? I smoked cigarettes. But like some of that's, that's your character. I do a sick ale, what is that? I'm talking, no, I'm talking about like. Oh, you that's your character that's a thing yeah what is that I'm talking no I'm talking about showing them holding the drink like literal I need a cocktail literally a taping I'm not talking about like this is a celebration I'm not talking about that I'm talking about like

I need a sip of water because I'm gonna be working so hard for seven minutes I'm not okay you know Ron White historically would drink like a fifth Yeah, I mean he's like that's fine even though obviously that's probably not fine But like I'm talking about like the people that are like I can't get through this set without a sip of my water now if you're like if you're like having a drink and you're like part of, it's a party of a party atmosphere on Saturday night, that's different. I'm talking about like you can't get through like I need a sip of my drink. It's like it's a 15 minutes at.

I see what you're saying. Yeah, but back to keeping the ball in the air. You know who's the king of that that no one talks about is Regan. Regan could mine a premise for everything it was worth and beat it out like every part of the buffalo and it's incredible to watch that bit about him trying to weigh his package and the guy's like step on the scale with the package. Now he's like now I can't see the numbers. I mean it's so long and every inch of it is flawless yeah no Regan unbelievable unbelievable I mean when I started I think that like there was these awards like I remember I was opening I took Amtrak I thought I would take Amtrak to Buffalo one week, and then I would move Amtrak from Buffalo to Cleveland

What do you homeless? Hours To do that all the time. Oh, it was just so brutal and then I'm just bombing the entire ah so like and then I think like I Had been recommended by the DC improv and someone was like why would Improv and someone was like, why would the DC Improv, like the manager literally said, why would the DC Improv recommend you?

And I was like, I don't know. Damn. But I remember in Cleveland, there used to be these different comedy magazines and I saw that the American Comedy Award, that Regan, cause you used to only be able to win at once Mm-hmm, and he won it twice like I didn't know there was no existence. I didn't either this was back in the 90s You know interest this was these it wasn't even newspaper was tablet. They know

You started you started with Geraldo you were right, yeah, right Yeah, and he wanted to be Regan and you wanted to be a tell I heard and then it flopped You started with Geraldo, you were tied with Geraldo, right? And he wanted to be Regan, and you wanted to be a tell, I heard, and then it flopped, it flipped flopped. Yes, it totally flipped flopped. And when we met, we were both, I was an account manager in an advertising agency, and he was a lawyer, he was at some highfalutin law firm, And so we were the only people, it was at Sweetwaters, which was on Second Avenue, or First Avenue,

or Lexington and 53rd, it was upstairs. But it was, now I can't, I'm blanking, but like, yeah, I met him and, you know, it was like, I was like, he thought I was funny and I thought he was funny and- Early on when you meet someone who you're like, fucking good, you're like, oh my, you like grab onto them. Like a fucking, like a life, like a life raft.

Free internet, so it's not like you have this community online where you can talk to somebody, this is like, I need to, I'm guy lonely Yeah, yeah, and that was like That wasn't like hey, let me get your cell phone number. It was like where you going next? Yeah Were you hitting the mics with them? So like eventually Geraldo because Geraldo was so engaging I mean so funny but so engaging, like people immediately liked him. So he would, and he was from Queens so he could do the city and Long Island, right?

And so he would, I would meet him in Long Island and so sometimes I would take the Long Island Railroad to do chuckles or governors and he was the only reason I would get on. Because he could communicate because I was like this blonde guy in khakis, you know, like, it was this fag. So I was not like, I was like a college guy a guy like it was so absurd And now it's like a very upward upper middle-class occupation. Yeah, I'd say but back then it was like It was rough and tumble. It was you know, like It would just be weird if it was you know, like there were intellectual comics, but like no one liked them

Yeah, I know you make sense. Yeah, I feel like Dennis Miller and Monday Night Football was like a punchline because yeah he was using you know, you're like, yeah, but Did you like really who did late night first you or Greg? Do you remember Greg did everything first? I mean, well we Greg and I both so Oh, Greg did everything first. I mean, well, Greg and I both, so there was the most prestigious show besides Letterman or The Tonight Show was Caroline's Comedy Hour. So like that was the one that was approachable.

They would do, so like Colin hosted that and then, well, you know, again, Colin was so big that like he would just host Caroline's, right? And he would, but like, so then there was a new season where it was going be Richard Jeni was the host and they were looking for They wanted to get a couple new comics. Mm-hmm. And so Geraldo and I both Auditioned both got it by and so that was like, oh my gosh. Here we go. Yeah, and so then Then he got managed by Caroline's Yeah, and so then

Then he got managed by Caroline's We they wanted to manage him. Does that mean that Caroline Hirsch is your manager? No, she was starting That was the preeminent club. And so she was starting a management company. So she hired managers and Greg was one of their first clients and Because they because of Caroline they had such incredible connections. So like they had influence in who could go to Montreal. Obviously Greg got Montreal on his own, but like then Greg got Montreal. Is Montreal dead right now? Is that festival?

Yeah. It is coming back I heard. It is. A new guy bought it. Like herpes. Yeah, right. coming back. I heard it is a new guy bought it like herpes But so he got Montreal and then And he got an agent so he was like Blowing up even before he got to Montreal and that was when Montreal there were development deals $500,000. Oh, yeah

$300,000 and you seem like you're tailor-made for like a sitcom back in the day Well, you know and so but you know what? I think it's also you'll get a kick out of this. So at that Caroline's taping a comedian came down from Canada who was She was really funny and she was like and it was Bonnie McFarlane oh Bonnie and then Ian bag came down later from Canada but like but like that was so I remember like Bonnie like everyone was in love with Bonnie oh my god cute great jokes yeah dark And she's still beautiful. Yeah, she looks great. Like Bonnie looked the same as she did like 25 years ago. And so dry and sarcastic. Yeah, so funny and just like she knew exactly who she was. It was pretty impressive. The

Rich Vosting is still confusing. It's fascinating. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, but also comedy, when I started, I was doing the alt world. That still was kind of the remnants of that. We're still there. And they have all these clubs that you were doing, but it was, comedy was still kind of underground niche. We met in the middle. Mark and I kind of met in the middle.

Yeah. And I was more of a clubby and like we started hanging out and then Mark would come to the strip with me and we would like, but you were interesting because you were- There's nothing there. It's a ghost land. But you started, like there's not a lot of comics who have like steady acting careers. You've been in so much stuff.

If we pull up his IMDB page, it's probably insane. Well that too, yeah. I remember you were on like that 70s show. Yeah. I mean you were on- Yeah, Super Troopers. Well some days. I love acting.

It's like, I always thought that I would be able to like create this acting career that would but it's like I Don't know like how many times I I've done these indies and and I'm so grateful And then they'll go to Sundance and I'll be like like I went to Sundance like four years in a row And I'm like I am set yeah ever have to audition again And then I don't get an acting role for like two years because a row and I'm like, I am set. I'll never have to audition again. And then I don't get an acting role for like two years. Cause you turned down Harvey. No, but like some of it is like, you know, it's,

you don't have to. Which is the one that you thought was gonna be the biggest that just didn't blow up? I thought that, I thought that, well, there's, I mean, it's like which year, you know, like there's, like I did this movie Eugene the Marine that is really great, it's a really artistic thing, it's got all these amazing people in it and like pull up Eugene the Marine because like that one I thought that it would definitely be awards bait.

It's about this guy played by, no I can't even see that far but. Scott Glenn. Yeah, Scott Glenn. He's good. Still, Scott Glenn. He's like 80. He's like 83, shredded, like doing pushups in between takes. And he's playing this 80 year old, and it's kind of this horror film,

kind of an homage to the giallo Italian types of film. And I thought, oh oh this will definitely go to Sundance right or Can or or can or even Toronto and some of it is it didn't you know I mean I'm just like I don't understand it. It's like Scott Glenn. I think is I haven't watched White Lotus I think he's on White Lotus. It's like, this is like, you know, one of these things where you're like, I can't understand that, but then like, there's American Dreamer where I thought for sure

that would go somewhere. Yeah, you're great in that, yeah. Linolium, I thought for sure that would go somewhere. And these directors. You're good at being scary in movies. It's shocking, because it's just like, oh shit, he's not, all the dark movie. But all these great directors, and then I you know

I did Peter Pan where I played mr. Smee and and that was David Lowry. I'm like, oh here we go Yeah, yeah, right. No one saw it and I'm like, all right, but that's all right Is it true speaking of acting you got your own show? I remember that was a big deal He had a lot of comics on it and then you pulled the plug. Yeah, that was because we kind of created a really impossible situation where it was autobiographical. The shows were written by my wife and I. Obviously we had some help from people. And we were, I was portraying myself and we had five young kids. So like, imagine like both, and you know, there are plenty of couples

where both spouses work. But like, we're working like 16 hour days and it's like, this is insane. Yeah. This is, you know, we can pull this off, but like, if you're, if you wanna do it right, and it's like, it's not like I'm some great dad, you know, I travel too much too,

but like, at least one parent's there. Right. Whereas opposed to us both being gone, and we're in the city, and then you have, I mean, you're, your kid's so young, but you'll have these babysitters and you'll be like, okay, they're good, but like, they're pouring sugar on toast as breakfast.

Oh, yeah. And you're like, as much as I think she's a great grandmotherly figure, she shouldn't be eating our children breakfast. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so, yeah, it was kind of that bad. That's what's weird also is the appeal,

if either of you were given an opportunity for a TV show, you would make less money. That's the other thing. It's a weird. Isn't that amazing? It's a weird state of the industry. And by the way, more people would see you in a Netflix special or a special on Hulu or Amazon

or whatever, or YouTube even, than a TV show on one of the great streamers. And there's a lot of great streaming platforms, but like I saw an ad for, I saw Billy Bob Thornton do this incredible speech, and I was like, what movie is that from? It's from some TV show, Land Man. Yeah, it's good.

And I'm like, I've never even heard of that. And now I'm not like, oh, I don't know what's going on. I know what's going on. And it's like John Hampton. It's a big show. Yeah. It's like. Taylor Sheridan.

Sheridan, yeah. There's too many shows. But how many of the Taylor Sheridan shows? Have you watched? Just like the first season of yellow. That's cuz you're gay Watched all of his dude his he wrote so many good movies like a lot of water Wind River All these like he had a sicario is oh, that's him. Yeah, he Wrote prisoners too. He wrote like he had a Sicario is great. Oh, that's him? Yeah, he made, he has a, I think he wrote Prisoners too.

He wrote, like, he had a run of, like, crazy. What a talent. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I don't know how he does all that. I don't either. It's a lot, right? It's insane. He's got like a $600 million ranch in Texas. I bet.

Jesus, well yeah. That he shoots on and uses as a ride off. Yeah, but is he happy? Yeah, no, he's thrilled. He's thrilled. Yeah, but is he really happy Yeah, no, he's thrilled. He's thrilled. Yeah, but is he really happy? No, he's really happy. He's very happy.

Creatively fulfilled, a billionaire. I think he's doing all right. You always gotta find a hole. Yeah, but you know what? You're in so much shit, I was watching TV the other day and it was just like a movie with Alec Baldwin and Salma Hayek and I was like,

holy shit, that's Jim Gaffigan. Oh yeah, yeah. You just like pop up, you pop up in so many things. Yeah, I love working. It's fun, right? Yeah. It's just fun. I like it.

Just trying to get my dad to like me. Yeah. But that's the question. Back in the day, everybody watched one show. You know, the whole country got together and watched one show or one Letterman or one whatever. Now we have a million splintered avenues. Is that better or is that worse?

Because Landman's a good show and no one's heard of it. No one's seen it. No, people are watching that. People are watching it, but he's in the business. I know, but it's renewed. That's true. I'm going to have to take shows a couple seasons to get an audience. Is it Apple?

I don't know. Yeah. I don't even know what's streaming. Exactly. I saw a couple know what stream. Exactly. I saw a couple clips because... Every now and then you get a White Lotus which is like taking over the zeitgeist. You get a squid game. You get that one show that somehow punches breaking beds and all those types.

I mean that's older but like it's hard to get that breakout show now. I can't get into White Lotus. I understand that he's a good writer but I don't think there's something about it that doesn't hit for me. Like everyone's like this fucking insane. This monologue by Rockwell, and I'm like he just likes fucking Asians Yeah, that's the monologue and we're praising. This is like the greatest monologue ever and he's like I love Asian shit but I think it is It is so bizarre how

Some of it is like I think Mike White does have a touch for What the site guys? Yes, totally clearly. I'm the I'm the odd one out. I'm just saying it is like I think Mike White does have a touch for what the zeitgeist yes totally clearly I'm the odd one out I'm just saying it's like it's like almost like vacation porn meets like murder it's gotten all the things that rich people being like annoying no rich people are bad we all know rich people are bad like I like watching but I know someone like that so yeah rich people like it then they had that Trump conversation with the two liberal people. That's very interesting, because that's happening.

And you don't see that on TV. That happens all the time, and that's a huge part of our country, and no one brings it up. I acknowledge that it's interesting. I even read a profile on him in The New Yorker, and I was like, wow, he sounds like a really interesting man. He's like an interesting dude. I didn't know he was on the Amazing Race with his dad.

They're both gay dudes. There's so many things going on. And he's been around forever. Like he's been just plugging away forever. School of Rock, School of Rock. School of Rock's great. That's him. Also one of my favorite shows was,

you'd think I'd know the name of it, but it was with, it was on HBO. So amazing. Enlightened? Yes. Yes, so good. Unbelievable. He gets into that crazy mind. He's so good at it. And she was like an activist, annoying activist lady. Yeah. It's fun. And so there's, I think he kind of captures, just, and like that was that came out before like that was kind of this commentary on Narcissism

Narcissism and also It's a strange kind of commentary on female empowerment gone wrong Oh yeah, he's basically saying women are crazy It wasn't Is there any other kind? It wasn't that flat footed, right? Yes, yes Yeah Exactly, he's so good with the layers of the nuance But it wasn't. Is there any other kind? It wasn't that flat footed, right? Yes. Yes.

Exactly. He's so good with the layers and the nuance. All right, I'll give it another chance. It's good. And he can do the twists and turns too with the mystery shit. Yeah. Jim, what are your top movies like ever? What do you go to?

Top movies ever? Yeah. Gosh, it's been a while. It's so weird when it ends up with Rodney Dangerfield on the screensaver. God, what do I love? What did I love? I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I wanna say It's a Wonderful Life, but no. That's a great movie. It is a good movie. I loved Apostle with Robert DeVille. Never seen it, I heard it was great. It's a good movie. I loved Apostle with Robert DeVall. Never seen it, I heard it was great. It's really good. It's a lot of great story in that.

He's always good. You know, but I love, I love a lot of Alexander Payne stuff. Oh, love Payne. I can see you in that type of movie. I would love to do that. Yeah, Sideways is as good as it gets man Yeah, and so there's

but I love like Is that what he looks like yeah, yeah So some of that that comedy of that even though like I think and I'm I like the last one he did need but it was just like but he captures a comedy that is just like, but he captures a comedy that is not as, and by the way, it's different from what we do, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. But I love the fact that it kind of, it's interesting that we're talking about him with

Mike White because they both have this approach to like these characters that are not traditional. So like Mike White and also Alexander Payne, supposedly on sideways, George Clooney really wanted to be in it. And Alexander Payne was like, no, I don't want him. I want this TV guy. Thomas Hayden Church. And Thomas Hayden Church was amazing. He killed it so fun And I'm sure Mike white Picks whoever the hell he wants. Yeah, yeah white lotus. I auditioned for white lotus

Oh first one during the pandemic. It was the Pats and Swartz that I could roll no no no the first season it was the the guy he was so good He was the Australian guy who ends up eating ass It's been a while hold on pull up the poster I Think he's the hotel the hotel guy Murray whatever his name. Oh guy who gets got right? Yeah the drug addict Yeah, he gets and then Yeah, he gets, and then, Damn. It is. It's weird, cause it's like, I don't know.

Don't you hate that when you have a dish for commercials and then you're like on the road bombing at the hotel and you see the commercial with the guy and he looks just like you and you're like, God damn it, he's just a little better looking. Well, I look at that and I'm like, why would he think I would be right for that character? Yeah, I was thinking that too.

I mean, you probably look at a wide range of people, right? Yeah. I also just found out that every actor since this first season earned the same amount of money. Yeah. Across the board, everyone made 30,000 an episode. Made 40,000 an episode. Yeah.

I looked up the resort in Thailand. It's a four seasons Yeah, like 500 a night. Yeah, and by the way, so like here's the other thing I didn't read the article and I don't know if this is just clickbait, but you know because we talk about navigating the zyte guys right Supposedly and I only watched the first episode, but Carrie Coon's character, in there was a whole storyline where she had a kid that was trans, and that storyline was cut. Cause of Trump.

And not because of Trump, but because I think that like, we do live in this day and age where people, like there's a fatigue surrounding it. You know what it is though? Also it's like they did it in Fargo, and it was a really good season I thought, but they did it in Fargo with the kids, like you know, non-binary,

and it does get to a point where you're like, all right, but the math isn't adding up. It's like when you watch TV and every judge is a black woman, and you're like, you're doing this to do this now. Well that says something about Mike White that he's like, hey maybe they'll think this so I won't do this.

He's three steps ahead of us. Yeah. Well he often does show both sides of an issue. Yeah. So I think showing the other side of the trans issue is not cute now, where because of the droning laws that Trump put in place, right? I think it's sort of like I don't think we should show the other side here

Yeah, well, you know, but I actually think it's different from that. I think that the evolution is that You don't get hero points for portraying it. There's an exhaust like you saying of being exposed to it. And it's not a fearful or unempathetic take on it. It's just kind of like, also, why give, if half the country was like, we are so sick of that stuff, please stop.

He knew to like, oh, all right, we don't need it anyway. Right, that's what I'm saying. Is it making the show better? I mean, and there's so many people watching this stuff as escapism, and so many shows now are like work, and you don't wanna like turn on a show to zone out, especially a show like this, and you're just like, why are you throwing this at me right now?

I'm trying to watch this, I'm trying to watch you're just like why why are you throwing this at me right now? I'm trying to watch this. Yeah, I'm gonna watch a murder take place Yeah, why you throwing no, but I kind of lost you know like even the first episode where it was like And I don't know if I really you know I think I gave up on the second the second season But and Mike White is brilliant, and if he's watching this by chance I really want to be in but like that first episode where I was like and the guys like there's someone shooting I'm like, okay, and then we're gonna spend the whole season. It's like who was the shoe? Yeah, yeah who was the person coming undone? It was a this guy was it this guy which reminded me of the first season

where which reminded me of the first season where the casket's like, all right, who's in the casket? Why is that guy upset? We're going to find out. Yeah. Right? Isn't that just his style? I guess his move? That's probably effective storytelling. Yeah, exactly. I think he knows what he's doing. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, welcome back to the Mike White Show. Ah. Funny guy. Yeah. Talented guy. Great. Enlightened one of the, I can't believe that that didn't.

I know. Maybe I should watch it. What are your go-to shows when you're on the road and you're like, I just wanna zone out. Like what's a good comfort show for you? I love, I'm a news junkie. So I- Oh no, be careful. I, no, I totally, but-

You zone out to Stossel? John Stossel. Why is my mustache not getting gray? No, so yeah, no, I don't really, like I loved, I loved, what's the Apple show that everyone loves with Adam Scott? I love the- The Severance.

The Severance, I love the first season, everyone's like, the second season you gotta watch it. I still haven't watched it. Yeah. I love the first season everyone's like the second season you got to watch I still haven't watched it Yeah, I love the first season of Game of Thrones offshoot Iron Eagle what it's called Really? Then the second season I couldn't get into and so It's just like now. I'm so impatient. I don't have the commitment to even start something and some of it is figuring out It's navigating what to watch with my wife with my kids have the commitment to even start something. And some of it is figuring out,

it's navigating what to watch with my wife, with my kids. And so we end up, I have like a 12, 13, 15 year old at home and the other two are at college. So it's usually a horror film. That's what escapes the veto proof thing. But like I can't, I will, you know like sometimes I'll push in an Ari Aster movie, I'll be like we're watching Midsommar and they're like what? And my wife will be, and my wife, who when we were dating, we would watch a lot of indie films, is like, oh my God, Jesus Christ,

we're trying to relax, why are we watching an Ari Aster movie? But he's brilliant. Yeah, he's great. He did Hereditary, right? Oh. Yeah, no, so like, we watched that, and she's like, what are we doing?

That's scary. Yeah, yeah. I was just like, I love it. So, but like, that fits in that kind of horror Adjacent where I can I'll dip into that if I'm gonna pull my dad card thing But it's a lot of like I'm trying to think of like a horror film, but it's usually like You know a horror film that a 12 and a 13 year old would want to watch. Uh-huh so but on the road, I'm like

13 year old would want to watch uh-huh so but on the road. I'm like I'm just consuming news about how our economy is about to collapse stuff like that Good just also mindful. Why does we're all announcing new tours? That is a horror film in a weird way. Yeah, it's bizarre how we're processing it And how there's a certain denial and Canada's mad mad at us, never thought I'd see that. Let me tell you this, I did this as a joke when I was in Vancouver and by the way, those audiences in Vancouver were amazing. I'm going there soon, I love Vancouver.

A great town. Amazing audiences. And so I have this joke where I talk about, I make a reference to, I think it's son of some serial killer's son of Sam or whatever, or maybe it was Taxi Driver where the guy was like, I'm gonna shoot the president to impress this girl, right?

And so I have this joke where this dog tells me to shoot the president. And so I do that joke, and so, and every time I do that joke and so in every time I do it there's some audiences that don't get the fact that it's a serial killer reference and they think it's me proposing to shoot Trump and they're go bananas right uh-huh in Canada oh god it would turn into an they. They hand you the gun. And so what, and then I would kind of riff on it afterwards. I was like, you know, cause I've been doing standup long enough. I remember when we, so like as, from my perspective as an American,

when you would do a show in Europe, there would be a little condescending. You guys have done international stuff, right? And so, and the English are just kind of condescending in general, but they, but when we would deal with, so when we went through the Gulf War, post 9-11, the Gulf War, it's like, there was a moment when we lost the Irish, and I was like, oh my God, I can't believe the Irish Americans. And as an Irish American, I was like, oh my god, I can't believe the Irish And as an Irish American, I was like that's kind of sad. Yeah, but the Canadians were always like, yeah, you know

It's you know, it's not you. It's your government foreign policy. Sorry and so But my joke was like I would bring that up that the Canadians were always there and now the Canadians are like we hate you Yeah, you know and they would already describe dude. Oh, yeah I would bring that up that the Canadians were always there. And now the Canadians are like, we hate you. Yeah. And they would love you. Oh, they're ready to scrap, dude. Oh, yeah. They're furious. Oh, yeah.

They were the upstairs neighbor that was boring. Mexico was the neighbor. You were like, this guy's a little unhinged. But now they're the angry neighbor. It feels like our parents are going through a divorce. And they're like, is it our dad's fault? Yeah. I went to a

whiskey bar in Vancouver because you know, I'm an alcoholic I do that in every city now and Welcome went to this Irish It had an Irish name, but it's Whiskeys from around the world right? Mm-hmm. And those bars are amazing. There's amazing ones all across the country too, by the way. And so, went in there, sat down, and I don't like scotch. You know, I'll try Canadian whiskey if I'm in Canada, you know. You know, if I'm in Ireland, I'll drink Irish whiskey. But I like bourbon. And so I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get a bourbon.

No bourbon. Ooh. I go, this is a world whiskey bar. And they're like, no, we're not selling any American whiskey. And I go, so did you get rid of it? And they're like, oh, it's back there. We're just not selling it. Damn, they're hurting their own, they're holding hostage.

So it was like, okay, I get it, you know? Yikes. And then we went back to our hotel that was owned by an American company and I got a bourbon. I mean, did they go all the way with like no Coke, no Sprite? No, I think it comes down... I think some of that has to... You gotta drink Canada Dry, dude. I guess so.

I bet that's American. I mean, even though Coke, I think that Canada is being tactical, like they're picking red states. So the fact that urban and rye comes from red states. Bodega comes from a red state. Oh, but it's all in blue. We're all over the map. We're all over the map, baby.

Oh, yeah, yeah, but you're born in a red state. I am. So watch out, can't- What about you? Wow. I think, I mean, I think Indiana voted for Obama once. Louisiana won. We're reminiscing.

Indiana's got a black friend. All right, well, shit, we gotta wrap Alright, well shit, we gotta wrap it up. Jim, you want to plug some dates? Are you going out? Are you doing solo? I'm always touring. But no, I want to plug that Father Time bourbon. You know what would be a perfect gift for Father's Day? A bottle of bodega Cat and Father Time. I love it. What can people get Father Time? Because you need a bourbon and you need a rye on your bar.

It's true. You gotta make the cocktails. Where can people buy this? Father Time dash fathertime dash bourbon dot com. Okay. It's really good stuff, guys. Very nice. Not bad.

We give it the Bodega Cat seal of approval. This is very good whiskey. Jim's got very good bourbon. Yeah, we had poor osos on. It's horrible. We're not competitors. We're not. No.

We're friends. Maybe we do a collab at some point. We're friends. We're like Canada and America. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Go get Jim's stuff. See Jim on the road. One of the best comics killer

That's April 25th at Key Bank State Theatre Yeah, that's a Cleveland hell. Yeah, and then May 1st at the Pace Center in Greenville, and you're going to North Carolina I'm sorry Charlotte, South Carolina. No we trust you yeah, I mean that's what I love every state so I invite Distilleries you should do that. Oh you invite distillery folks to the show I learned a lot Herman get off it get on it. Oh smart then so like And it's it's fun, you know, and obviously Cincinnati. It's like right next to Kentucky. So there's right and then You know, obviously there's great rye in Indiana. So damn you're doing a lot of shows to the Taft Theater Vegas that's a great room it's great room oh the wind you're doing some fun stuff coming up

yeah no I'm very excited Foxwoods and then all over Grand Rapids Duluth Atlanta I hear Duluth is a hidden gem Duluth is fun that's what Nate was braving about it yeah Duluth and also Rochester, Minnesota. Oh, I get that. Oh, it's a good one. Yeah, I've done a casino there once. That's where the Mayo Clinic is. Yep, that's right.

I'm checking in, baby. That's where they have the biggest bell tower. Oh. The biggest bell. You went for the Mayo. I have a bit on bells that was inspired by Rochester. Okay. So, but that's like two specials ago, so.

All right. But anyway, thanks you guys. You guys also have shows coming up. Yeah, we got shows coming up. I got Minneapolis, Phoenix, San Diego, Sacramento, SF, Portland, added a late show. They're good on that. We got Seattle, Vancouver, we added a late show, Boise, Idaho, Denver, and I just added some shows for the summer

I'm gonna do the Wilbur again. I do try to do a few there for a weekend maybe and then I got a Got a Jersey in New Jersey in July. It looks like we're gonna do a count Basie great Basie's a great yeah, and then There was one other we just added there too. That's, you know, by the way, that's where- In Wellmont and Montclair as well. Seinfeld does, I mean, not Seinfeld, Springsteen. Oh, shit. Not there.

I saw Lily Tomlin there back in the day. She killed it. It was a great show. I mean, it's beautiful. I can't wait. So yeah, samurail.com slash shows. Follow us on, are you on Punch Up, Jim? We gotta get you on there.

What's Punch Up? Oh, we got it. We'll talk. Uh-oh, is it another money laundering? Human trafficking but still who's doing Bristol? I'll go anywhere Sbn. Oh really? Yeah, I didn't know that Asheville. No not tennis Bristol, Connecticut not Tennessee. Oh, that's Bristol Yeah, Tennessee, New Brunswick Bristol, Tennessee. Yeah. Oh, that's like where they got the big race, don't they? Yes! The Speedway is over there.

New Brunswick. CIM white trash. No one's questioning. Ithaca. Then we got, going to the UK, Reykjavik. Reykjavik, so fun. Is it? Those are your people, you whitey. Yes. You gotta get the Black Death.

That's where Black Death is not a watery drink. It's actually a very, it's like a 160-proof liquor. What is it? Damn. Sickle cell? 160 is fucking vicious. Belfast, Glasgow, keep going. And then we're back at Rochester. Portchester, Albany, Burlington, Wausau.

I hope I'm saying that right. Wausau. Wausau, thank you. Eugene, San Jose, Hyannis Mass at the Melody Tent, that'll be interesting. Connecticut, PA, and then we're going to Australia and New Zealand. Oh wow, that's a trip. Which I love, you've been there.

And so are you bringing the baby? I think we're gonna leave him in the car. Yeah. No, I think we're gonna just give him to the grandma no yeah that is a long run down there yeah he's young he's you know three months not ready he also smokes about long yeah that's true we got him on the patch also lastly page to stage a documentary I worked on with Mark is now available on punch up live up page to stay we'd love to have you on Jim.

Actually in it. Yeah, you're in it. Oh my God. You and Jerry and John Stewart, we did that military benefit. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, we were shooting that. That's where I was like, I'm gonna get everyone to sign this bottle of, that was Canadian whiskey that they make, they bottle in Oregon.

Oh yeah. You know what I mean yeah that was right when Trump won and John Stewart went up and talked about it and it got weird. But yeah, fun night, fun episode, check it out on Punch Up. Oh so wait a minute, so how many, so that's episode two, so there's different episodes. Episode two is where we tried to get Mark to write one clean joke to perform in front of you and Jerry it took him six weeks And so women so is this is this on your YouTube channel? Yeah, we're trying to sell this but it's doing well on punter We're making a we're making a couple bucks And yeah, it's on some punch up and then eventually will be on YouTube, but it's behind a paywall right now

We'll explain punch up to you. It's fucking good man good man. You should get on it. Is it your business? No, it's a friend of ours started it and we use it because like you know views and engagement are down across the socials, like it doesn't matter your follower count, no one's seeing your posts anymore. Why is that? Because they're changing the algorithm to compete with, they see TikToks getting banned so they're trying to get everyone from TikTok on Instagram So it's like they're not prioritizing like jokes anymore It's now just like dumb shit and dancing and stuff like that would blow up on tik-tok

So we want to you can build my algorithms all prayers Well, you get a lot of if you do punch-up you get a lot you can just collect emails and you just have emails Or phone numbers and you could just blast them and it's not you know buried so that's why I like it We're big fan of it. Yeah, Burr, Segura's on it now. Everyone's getting on it. Tim Dillon, Mark and I. Louis on it. It's good man We recommend it, but uh, Jim Jeffries is on there. Oh nice. I just talked to him in Nashville. He's a man He's a good ex. Sober Jim is it's a different bird, but yeah, yeah fun guy So yeah, check it out. Check out his Hulu special as well. That's that's out there and Yeah, father time dash bourbon And Norman's talking shit about the fucking

Pope And I get down in the same way Up on the roof like a cop's coming And naked Samuel is feeling dangerous I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans This woman doesn't look like I remember her And I get down in the same way We might be true