We Might Be Drunk - Ep 229: Steve Schirripa

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Tonight on We Might Be Drunk, Mark and Sam sit down with the hilarious Steve Schirripa to talk about his early days in Las Vegas, breaking into comedy, and life on The Sopranos. From wild nights on th...e Strip to landing iconic TV roles, Steve shares stories you won't hear anywhere else. Grab a drink and join the fun! Follow Steve here: https://www.instagram.com/steveschirripaofficial Your new wardrobe awaits! Get 20% off @chubbies with the code DRUNKS at https://www.chubbiesshorts.com/DRUNKS Support the show and start your free online Hims visit today. Head to https://www.hims.com/DRUNK Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD WMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ WMBD Clips Page: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: YouTube Channel: @sammorril Instagram: https://instagram.com/sammorril Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: YouTube Channel: @marknormand Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marknormand Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets We Might Be Drunk is produced by Gotham Production Studios https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com/ @GothamProductionStudios Producer Matt Peters: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #MarkNormand #SamMorril #JimGaffigan #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #Comedians #FathertimeBourbon #WhiskyTasting #ScotchWhisky #WhiskyLovers #PodcastEpisode #FunnyPodcast #ComedyFans #PodcastRecommendations #BourbonLovers #DrinkResponsibly #WhiskeyHumor #NYCComedy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Are we rolling? Yeah, all right. You didn't know I used to put comics? I did, but I forgot. That's how I started before I was an actor. Dana Gould told me a story that you actually, that you got mad at him because he went on stage with his underwear over his pants one night in Vegas. Probably.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Yeah? What? Yeah, he was just trying to be funny. I don't remember, but probably. I mean, Dana worked for me a long time ago who he wasn't a bad guy Great guy great comic great comic. Yeah, dude. What uh? Who'd marry to the girl from HBO? I pitched her. That's right now divorced Who do you remember booking who is who is great and who do you remember who is an asshole?
Starting point is 00:00:41 Are we on the yeah? Yeah, we're having fun Are we on the air? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're having fun. I know you like to beef with everyone. Well, I don't want to beef. Listen, I started in 86. Yeah. It was the Riviera, right? Yeah. And it was an improv. Yeah. And you know, everyone, Spade, Rob Schneider, Rosie O'Donnell, and the generous Bill Maher, Belzer. We could go on and on and on and on and on. What year are we talking? He's at 86? 86, the 80s. Wow, okay.
Starting point is 00:01:15 It was in the Riviera Hotel. And this was like, was this a boom? This was during the boom. There was a comedy store down at the Dunes, and they would have like five headliners. They would have like Dice, Jimmy Walker You know at the time maybe Carol Leifer, Roseanne They had like these incredible shows and we and it was a bigger room
Starting point is 00:01:36 Alright, and then we had this club and started out small. Did you know you know David Frye was? David Frye was a very famous comic. He did Richard Nixon, okay? He did Richard Nixon, this was his thing. All right, very famous. Headline Seizes Palace. Damn. Okay?
Starting point is 00:01:58 When Richard Nixon was in. Okay, he was a drunk. Like he was about five foot two, five one. Okay? Damn, okay. He was a drunk, he was a drunk. Like he was about like five foot two, five one. Okay? Okay. He was a drunk, he was hanging around the show. Yeah. I said to Bud, why don't we throw David Fry a bone?
Starting point is 00:02:16 Forget it, it's Vegas, it's the 80s. We put him up on the weekend. Uh oh. He's wearing a tuxedo. Okay. He had been sober every night I saw the guy for months. Oh boy. He would come in, meet the comics.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Comes in, there's a little room in the back for the comics. I go back there, he's got his dick and his balls in a bucket of ice. Oh fuck. And I just turn around and I like did a double, I said, what the fuck are you doing? And he says, I don't know, I just have a thing,
Starting point is 00:02:45 this is my thing before stage. Now this guy had been around, he was with Rodney, he was with all these guys, you could look him up, David Fry. He was at Trust Fund, then he was probably in his 50s and 60s. Wow. Goes on stage.
Starting point is 00:02:59 He has to dunk his dick in balls and ice to get ready? His dick in balls and ice. Like a cold plunge before. I'm not kidding, you had a bucket of, white bucket of ice. Yeah. All right. That's him, okay?
Starting point is 00:03:11 Headline, Caesar's Palace. For a very famous guy. He goes on stage, Bud comes in from LA for it. It's a Saturday night. He does So Soso the first show. He's sober, but he just does okay. Yeah. Between shows, he disappears, he comes back,
Starting point is 00:03:32 he is fucking hammered. I mean hammered. Hoping he didn't use the- He's completely gone. He's wearing a tuxedo. I mean, you're in a comedy club. He's wearing a tuxedo, he's hammered. Bud Freeman brings him on,
Starting point is 00:03:45 he can't hardly stand, he's going, Bud comes on, he says, go and get him. I had to get, in the middle of the show, I had to take him off the stage. Ooh, damn. Hope he used different ice for the drinks. David. Wow.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I mean, there was, I mean, Rick Reynolds, I mean, I'm talking older guys, you wouldn't know, he had a one-man show, famous one- Rick Reynolds, I mean, I'm talking older guys that you wouldn't know. He had a one-man show. Yeah. Famous one-man show, San Francisco comic. He liked to break people's balls in the audience, he called the guys. He said, you know, he had that bit like,
Starting point is 00:04:17 and it was very famous, he got a sitcom out of it. He was like, it became a very hot comic for a while. He was from San Francisco, Rick Reynolds, and he... Pull him up. He would do a thing, hey, would you fuck him for $5? $10, you know? How about a million dollars? So you are a whore.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Guy gets off stage, the boyfriend fucking blasts him from the back of the head. Down for the count. Wow. Knocked him out? Down for the count from the back of the head. Down for the count. Wow. Knocked him out? Down for the count from the back of the head. See, now that could launch a career. That's what happened to Jim Jeffries. There you go.
Starting point is 00:04:52 I mean, there was a guy, Larry Beezer, he wouldn't come out of his room. I haven't heard of any of these guys. Yeah. Listen, they're all the comics from the 80s. You guys are young guys. Yeah, but we know comics. We gotta look at all the comics we got up there.
Starting point is 00:05:05 We're fans. We know comics. Yeah, Bob was a friend of mine. Oh wow. I did his show, Greg's. Yeah, yeah. I knew Carlin pretty well. You knew Carlin?
Starting point is 00:05:16 You knew Carlin well? Come on! In Vegas, I knew Carlin pretty well. He would come around. You know his opening act was Dennis Blair. Yeah. And Dennis would work for me. He would come around.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Wow. He was a good guy. I knew Rodney pretty well. Wow. I knew Rodney, yeah. He was my all time favorite guy. And then, I get a message on my answering machine. This is like 88,
Starting point is 00:05:40 maybe 88, 89. Hey Steve, I heard you're the guy, ba ba ba. You know, would you call me back? I need some help. I can't do Rodney's voice. So he wants over. I'll tell you, I'm trying to get my balls in this ice bucket.
Starting point is 00:05:53 He wants over to Comedy Club. Yeah. At the L Rancho. So he needs my help. You know, so I help him, you know, blah blah blah. I meet him in the lobby of Bally's where he's playing. He's wearing the tank top and the shorts. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Like from the, like from... Back to school or something? From the fuck, it's back to school. Yeah. Right? And then the guy's like, going, hey, Rodney, hey, Rodney. He goes, what time are you due back on the set of Deliverance? That was the guy.
Starting point is 00:06:22 We go see the show. I'm with my wife. We weren't married then. We go see the show. I'm with my wife. We weren't married then. We go backstage. He made a big deal. We got a booth for you. He really made like a big deal. He was very hands on about his comps, you know. He sold out. He played the Hilton. I saw him a bunch of places. And the first time I saw him, he actually opened for Frankie Valli. Whoa. Damn. Aladdin. That was Valli. Whoa. Damn.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Aladdin, that was early on. What a show. Right? That is crazy. We go backstage afterwards, he's wearing the robe with the fucking cards, his balls are fucking down, you know. Always. You saw a lot of balls in your time in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Like a grandfather clock. And he's there, he drinks giant vodka, just likech-ch-ch-ch-ch, just like that. He was not a healthy man, huh? No. But he was fine, a lot of fun. What a pro. We hung for quite a while. So did his balls.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Just great. Yeah, he's the man. I mean, I saw, you know, Rickles I was friends with. Whoa! I saw Sinatra like 40 times. Wow! Shit. So you see Rickles open for Sinatra?
Starting point is 00:07:27 No, no, no, no. Rickles played the sire. He was his own guy. Nicest guy. He played there, then he played the sire. Did he insult you the first time you met him? He fucks around, but he's a really nice guy. He was really a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:07:38 But you want to be insulted by Rickles? Yeah. I didn't want to be. What the fuck? I don't know. You know, I love Don Rickles personally. He didn't make me laugh that much. The hockey puck shit and all that.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Yeah, who are your favorites? You know, who else? Robin Williams, who's a great guy and I got to know him. I liked him better as an actor than a comic. Right. I didn't care for him. You like hard jokes, like a Rodney. I like Rodney. I like Damon Waynes. like Damon Waynes.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Love Damon Waynes. Very funny. Underrated guy. Very, you know, very, very funny. I liked Nick DiPaolo in the old days. Sure. I like David Tell work for me. Sure, the king.
Starting point is 00:08:18 We love a Tell. I don't know, who else, I don't know. You saw Damon Waynes just did that. I don't like Ellen DeGeneres, she was an asshole then. Really? Really! She said, was itGeneres. She was an asshole then. Really? Really! She got proven to be an asshole, but she was an asshole way back when.
Starting point is 00:08:30 What do you think? Do you think so, she does the dancing, she does all the, it's like such a cover-up, right? The people that, it's like the people. The whole show was an act. I mean, that was all, she wasn't a nice person. Right. A lot of it came out.
Starting point is 00:08:42 How was she mean to you? She tortured, well, she worked for me in Vegas. She wasn't mean then. It's before she had hit it big. She was very nice. And then, I don't know, how many years later? Maybe 10? I met the Emmys with the Sopranos. I never say hello to anyone kind of first because I'm always afraid you're gonna get dissed like some guys are assholes, right? You know what I mean? I don't know if it ever happened to you,
Starting point is 00:09:11 it's happened to me. Many times. Who dissed you? Who hurt you? You wanna say hello? Who hurt you, Steve? Well, I'm fucking telling you right now. So I go up to her and I say,
Starting point is 00:09:21 hey, I go up to her and I go, hey, Ellen, I don't know if you remember me, see if I ran the Riviera Common Club, how hard am I to fucking remember, right? And she does dismiss me like, I don't even think she said anything. And she was with two other people and I just, I had a tuxedo on and I just slinked away.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Wow. You can do that. Well, she's a, you are what you eat. That's it. If you let me. Well, she's a c***. You are what you eat. That's it. Then it came... If you let me get one in, then they're not bad. Then she... It came on. De Niro, too, was an asshole to me.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Really? He was an asshole. That must have hurt, but you must have loved it. You could barely... What? You must love De Niro, though. It must have hurt. I did not like De Niro before. What?
Starting point is 00:10:01 Come on. I don't like Robert De Niro now. Come on. What did he do to you? You say hello to him, he's stuck for a fucking answer. This guy is a zero. Now, if he don't have a script in his hand, he can't speak. Interesting. You should have written hello on a cocktail napkin and handed it to him. Probably, he would have answered back. Yeah. Right, wow. Damn. You know, there was a guy, Larry Bieser, he won't come down for the show.
Starting point is 00:10:27 He was a Comedy Store guy. I go up to his room, knock on the door, he won't answer the door, he's in there. I get security, open the door, he's got the mattress off the bed, he's lighting fucking matches, trying to light the mattress on fire. He's fucking hamming out of his mind.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Yikes. I kid you not. You ever work with Jerry? Who? Seinfeld? I did not, I know Jerry, I like Jerry. Oh yeah, nice guy. I do not, I did not, he never worked there. He was too big by then.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Really? He was already big by then. How about like Bill Hicks, did he ever come through? Nah. He didn't like Vegas, I don't think. Nah. Nah, he doesn't seem like a Vegas act. Nah.
Starting point is 00:11:04 I don't know if he played, he might have played Vegas though. How about like Robert Schiml? He used to work for me all the time. No, he's funny. He worked for me all the time. He's the type of guy I bet you liked. Was I? He had heart jokes.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Yeah. I like, I like Robert a lot. He was a good guy. I mean, I liked a lot of comic. I like Andy Kindler. Right. He doesn't make anyone laugh, you know. I'm the only guy that laughs, but I love him.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Comics laugh. He played to the back of the room always. He was, he was, you know, I love when guys bombed. I would love when guys bombed. Certain comics bombed peacefully. I would love when they bombed. Not to hurt their feelings, I just thought it was funny, especially if a guy is funny. It's fascinating.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I forget, in Vegas, you're dealing with like a weird audience. Sure. Drunks, tourists. From all over the country, especially then. Now it's a little bit, it's bigger. That's true. It's a small town. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Well like Norm, my hero, he would bomb all the time, but still brilliant. Brilliant. Did he work for you there? No, he didn't work for me there. No, but I knew Norm from, just from around. Oh yeah? I knew Norm from around. I knew Saget, he never worked for me,
Starting point is 00:12:09 but I knew Saget from being around. Like I said, then guys in the big room. I gave a lot of guys their first shot in the big room. Drew Carey. Whoa. He played the clubs, but Damon, Drew Carey, Spade, Shimmel, Bobby Slayton. Pitbull. Jeff Dunham.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Whoa. Dennis Leary. Whoa. I had a show, Bobcat and Gilbert, together. The voices. I was trying to do different. Yeah, I get it. I was just trying anything, you know.
Starting point is 00:12:41 I mean, the RIV was a second, you know, like you played the you like you played the RIV on the way up or on the way down kind of yeah Like I always said I had the best shows in town if it was 1975, you know, right so it was like that, you know, but the big room a lot of these guys were just starting to You know, you know Ray, we're mon old Kevin The big room for those guys. Do you miss that world, that comedy world, or was it too hectic? Not for me, yeah. Too many drunks. We can be a lot.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Yeah. No, it's a lot. A lot of guys are trouble guys. I like them, I have some that are good friends, but you're dealing with four guys every week, you know? Two of them are in AA meetings, one guy goes off the fucking wagon, the guy's gambling, the other one's late. The guy's eight o'clock in the morning, he's in the employee cafeteria drinking beers
Starting point is 00:13:30 as the executives are on their way into work. Then I get a comic goes on the air, he's ripping, he's doing press for us, like on a Friday morning, he's ripping the whole towel apart. The towels are hard. The dad is hard. I'm going... The towels are hard. The boss calls me in, he said, who's this guy? It was Tim... Meadows. No, it wasn't Tim Meadows. He was already
Starting point is 00:13:56 outside in that life. I don't know, it was whoever it was. Tim something fat guy. Tim Diller. No, it wasn't him. And he says... He was 8 years old at the time. Tals were definitely hard after Tim used them. The guy's killing us. It doesn't make any sense. We hired you and you're ripping hotel. That was a tough hotel. I've done some gigs there and that hotel has seen some years. Some of those Vegas hotels were really nice for like one decade and then they just stayed in that decade forever Yeah, it's like still the riff was a highline place early on and then yeah, it kind of went south in
Starting point is 00:14:33 2000 right started going closer to 2015 and went south, you know, Tropicana, you know, they don't keep anything around It was Tropicana where the shooting was Because I definitely died there. No, Mandalay Bay. Mandalay Bay. You never worked for Vegas, you the one here? No, I've done Tropicana, I've done the wind, yeah, we've done the salad. Did you do the club at the Laugh Factory was at the Trop?
Starting point is 00:14:55 No. I did that once, yeah. No, there was a theater at the Trop, it was nice. It was a really nice place. Yeah, that was good. A lot of old people though. Yeah. I had some real bombs there. Yeah, oh yeah. You would have loved it. Better than Reno. I just did Reno, it was good a lot of old people though. Yeah, I had some real bombs there. Yeah. Oh, yeah You would have loved better than better than Reno. I just did Reno It was exactly budget Atlantis two weeks ago was killer back in the day when I did Reno though
Starting point is 00:15:13 It was like a fucking a full week and it was like oh you just take it on the chin every night What do you do? You know, you know think about playing in the clubs even Atlantic City, right? You know, you know, what do you do all day? You know, you do nothing all day long. You try not to kill yourself. You know, it's like in Atlantic City in the winter. Oh, it's Vegas with A's. I think my opener in Reno was,
Starting point is 00:15:34 wow, I've never seen fake tits in an oxygen tank on the same person before. This is the rough town. Hilarious. Very true. There was a guy in the sound booth too who was just always reading a gun magazine. I'm like, this guy just waited to magazine. I'm like this guy just wait I'm waiting for this guy to snap on that guy went to Mandalay Bay
Starting point is 00:15:55 You see the video of that the comic the guy was heckling him and then he hits him with the guitar Yeah, I wanted the greatest videos of all class at Boston. I think that was in Boston I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if the crowd started turning on us. Of course, yeah. Now that guy would have had a three camera shoot. It would have been like angles. Now because everyone's got their whole camera crew out there. You're viral on TikTok. Yeah, look at this shit. This is old school.
Starting point is 00:16:13 I mean, you know, he told the guy, don't come any closer. I don't know if he was right or not, but... Yeah, he went a little hard with the whole, he had a weapon. Have you ever had guys come after you? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Guitar acts are always this close to snapping though anyway. That's true.
Starting point is 00:16:31 Uh oh. Got the harmonica on the neck too. Look at this! It looks like it's a joke. Oh! He's not checking a bag on the way home, I guess. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm sorry, man. The guy fucking came at me.
Starting point is 00:16:54 What do you think, folks? No! Trying to tank the jury with that. First of all, he shouldn't have asked them. What do you think? No, no. Should have just hit him and they should have walked off. Right. damn. I mean, I guess you don't think of a guitar as a weapon, but I guess you got something you could strike for.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Oh yeah. Oh yeah, he broke the bottom of it. Oh no, he would be sued. Yeah. Well, he's out of comedy. I never heard of that guy or anything. You know. Did he do the riff?
Starting point is 00:17:18 You guys are young guys. No, he never did the riff. You guys are young. I'm an old man. I was there, what year were you born? 86. 83. So that's what I'm saying. That's I was there, what year were you born? 86, 83. So that's what I'm saying, that's why you don't know any of those comics.
Starting point is 00:17:28 But we watch a lot of the old, we watch all the comedian specials and stuff. Yeah. We know a lot. The Rodney specials on the street. Love them, seen them all. Oh yeah, he gave an intro to Bill Hicks, it's one of my favorite intros ever,
Starting point is 00:17:40 he goes, this next comic's so far ahead of his time, his parents haven't even met yet. That's funny. Give it up for Bill. The jokes and the setups for the intros. I mean, Rodney was great. Well, you know, almost everybody became a star. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Isn't that crazy? Yeah, Roseanne, Seinfeld, Robert Townsend, Bill Hicks, Dice. He was a star in that one. Townsend was good. Yeah, I think Leifert did one. Yeah. Roseanne's a little crazy.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Wow. She's a little crazy. She came around a few times looking for comics. Like, he- Roseanne's a little crazy. Wow. She's a little crazy. She came around a few times looking for comics. She never played there, but she came around. She was out of a mile and Tom Arnold, they came running through. That's when they were running wild at the time. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Pop up, you know. She had a nut farm for a while. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, how appropriate. In Hawaii. Yeah. Weird. She had a weird trajectory, that lady. Steve, I appropriate. Yeah. Weird, weird, she had a weird trajectory that lady.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Steve, I got a question. I can imagine that working at a casino in the 80s, you were probably dealing with some actual wise guys. Is that... Yeah, well I knew Spolatro. I knew Tony Spolatro, you know, the pesky character in Casino. Wow. You knew him personally?
Starting point is 00:18:40 I knew him personally, yeah, I knew him very well. He was a big guy, right? They made him little in the movie Right that's true. Is that a joke? I thought he was actually tall like oh they called him Tony the Ant. Oh Nickname he was a very nice guy to me. I Don't know, you know, I don't know all that stuff. He used to you know I worked in all the nightclubs before I worked at the hotel, I was a bouncer. Paul Anka had a club. I was a bouncer in a bunch of clubs.
Starting point is 00:19:07 And he would come around, always tip me a 20. He was a good guy. I got to know him, I knew his son. Always very soft spoken, you know, I knew those guys. I didn't know the De Niro character. I didn't know him. Did everyone know what they were up to? Everyone knew what they were up to.
Starting point is 00:19:26 They knew to stay awake. Yeah, was Rickles like, who do I not do crowd work with before? Well, he wasn't allowed, by then he was blackballed. What? There's a blacklist in Vegas. There's a whole list where you can't go into the casino. So he never went into the casino.
Starting point is 00:19:42 I saw him in nightclubs and bars and all that before time. But he was always very nice. Do you ever see those guys get violent though or no? What's that? Do you ever see any of those guys get violent? Never. Wow. I never saw any of that, but I assume it existed. They do it in the desert.
Starting point is 00:19:55 I did know they had that hole in the wall gang, they were robbing people's houses and doing that. Like I said. There he is. My experience with him. He does. He was a is. I, my experience with him. He does. He was a really good guy in my experience. He used to say, anybody bothers you, you let me know.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Cause a lot of people would say, you know like you're throwing him out, you know you're throwing a guy out of the club. And out of the nightclub, and I know Spolacho, he's my uncle, that bullshit. Oh yeah. And then you say, yeah well go tell him, and go fuck, you know, you know, tell him. You know, go tell your uncle I threw you out. Yeah. And it was a lie, that bullshit. Oh, yeah. Then you say, yeah, well, go tell him, and go fuck, you know, tell him.
Starting point is 00:20:26 You know, go tell your uncle, I'll throw you out. Yeah. And it was a lie, you know. Sure. Hey, he does look good. And there was a bunch of them. Herbie Blitzstein was a good guy. I worked his son's wedding, I worked the door.
Starting point is 00:20:36 My instruction was don't let any FBI guys in. How am I supposed, I'm thinking to myself, how do I keep them out? Yeah, they got the earpiece. How do I know? Geez that's a Jewish mob to her be blitz Dean's or as her be was with Spolatro. He was his right-hand man Somebody's got to do the books So that you know, I know, you know a lot of the older cops but then I had the club in 95, you know shimolette open the club and 95, you know, Shemalett opened the club and I used,
Starting point is 00:21:05 you know, Sebastian worked there. I mean, a lot of guys. I mean, I don't know, you name them. So you live in Houston. It looks like he's out of central casting. Yeah, right, like Brandon. Really, really good guy. I was very close from there.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Did you do any dice stories? You work with dice? No, I know dice, but I never. Come on! He was, by then, I know dice, but I never. Come on! He was, by then, he was going to the comedy store. Oh. But Freeman wouldn't let the comics work wherever, you know? Like you either work for him or you work for him.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Oh, right. He wasn't allowing that. You know, him and Mitchie were in that big battle for many, many, many years. Sure. You know, Dom used to work for me. Dom Herrera. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Worked for me a lot.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Nice. But you know Dom is one of the few guys that didn't listen. He said I'm working where I want, you know, blah blah blah. Yeah. But Bud used to do that. And so you worked at the comedy store or you worked over there. It was only two clubs in town.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Then Catch a Rising Star came in. Mm. And I think Hicks worked there once. Oh okay. That was supposed to be the big room in the 80s in New York. Right. Catch was apparently bigger than the cellar back then.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Yeah, catching the strip. That's where I think Seinfeld and Larry David and them, I think that's where those guys played, you know? Yeah, yeah. Did you ever do the one in Princeton, New Jersey? Many times, it was awful. Really? Awful room, but I was like, it's easy to get to.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Yeah, I nearly got fucking attacked on the train on the way back once. So I was just taking the New Jersey Transit late at night and it was just getting through that weekend. I was like, I'm killing a bottle of Buffalo Trace. Oh, and a guy just, I made a mistake. A guy was fucking with me on the train tracks. And he had like, something was off about him,
Starting point is 00:22:40 but I had a few drinks. I was kind of like, yeah, I'll fuck with this guy back. Fuck this guy. So he's just going up to everyone like, how do you feel about immigration? And they're all just like, just like what? And then he came up to me and I was like, I think they're taking our damn jobs,
Starting point is 00:22:53 just trying to be funny. And he was just like, he was like, you're fucking racist. I was like, I go, no, it's a joke. And then he goes, I should kill you. And he started following me on the platform and I had to like weave and hide. And I got lucky because he popped shit to the wrong guy on the platform and I had to like weave and hide and I got lucky because he popped shit to the wrong guy on the train.
Starting point is 00:23:07 He was looking for me and then he found some other guy and he goes, how do you feel about immigrants? And it was like this fucking big, tough black guy and he was like, East New York motherfucker and they had to stop the train because he was gonna kill him. And I was like, that was like my guardian angel. Yes, crazy.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Wow. Yeah, catch sucked. That was like- Where'd you grow up? You Wow. Yeah, catch socked. That was like. Where'd you grow up? You grew up here in New York? In Manhattan, yeah. Oh yeah, what about you? New Orleans.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Oh yeah? What about you? Brooklyn. What part? That's where I live now. Bensonhurst. Oh yeah. Greensburg, Bushwick, where are you?
Starting point is 00:23:37 Fort Greene. All right. Hey! When I was young, Fort Greene was shitty. Yeah. I was so much nicer. Very nice, very residential family. Lot of strollers. It was bad. Yeah. All those neighborsene was shitty. Yeah. Now it's so much nicer. Very nice, very residential family, lot of strollers.
Starting point is 00:23:45 It was bad. Yeah. All those neighbors were really bad. Yeah. Back then, you know, they cleaned all that up. Yeah. My neighborhood's like Asian now. It was all Italian.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Oh. It was a big mob area. Yeah. Growing up in Bensonhurst and this. Very Italian neighborhood. Very Italian neighborhood it was. Now there's still some Italians, but it was, now it's like Asian. You know know everyone sold out and they moved to Staten Island. Were you there for
Starting point is 00:24:08 Saturday Night Fever era? I was during those, I saw them filming that one. Wow. On the bus going to high school. Did you like that movie? Back then I guess. Oh yeah. What do you like, what are your top, we talk movies a lot in this pod, what are you like your favorites? Of course The Godfather. Yeah. Dirty Dozen, you probably don't know. Bang the Drum Slowly, you know Bang the Drum Slowly? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Great baseball movie with, De Niro's an asshole but. Ah. They handed him good words for that one. I like that. I mean there's so many that you kind of forget, you know? Like your go-to, I like the Bronx tail. Yeah. It's a great one.
Starting point is 00:24:50 We had Chaz on. Chaz a good guy. He's a man. He's a good guy. He's awesome. A really good guy, really smart guy. Great storyteller. Yeah, a really smart guy. You know, I mean I'm trying to think of any new movies.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Yeah. Like the new movies, like, what was that? You know, they're not like great. They're like, okay, it's not something I'm gonna watch again. I like, believe it or not, I like Jerry Maguire. You know, a lot of people. Forrest Gump, I know people don't like that. It gets snarked, I like that movie.
Starting point is 00:25:21 You know? I like some Sandler's, a lot of Sandler movies. Yeah, for sure. See Two Girls, One Cup? What's that? Oh, pull it up. Oh, I know what that, what is that?
Starting point is 00:25:35 Fake video, what is that? It turned out it was fake. Was it fake? Yeah, it was soft serve ice cream. They just packed it up there. Damn, I couldn't watch it. It was fake. I couldn't get through it that was all the rage oh yeah
Starting point is 00:25:47 this was hot but it's fake yeah but still pretty pretty wild we don't have to watch it I can't do it right now even knowing it's fake I can't watch it same same what movies do you like I mean we like all kinds of movies man like you know I'm not a horror guy I'm not a man. I'm not a horror guy. I'm not a speed horror. Me neither. I'm not a big sci-fi guy. I watched Star Wars once years ago. I hate it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Hate it, don't know anything about it. I did Pyramid. They were asking one of the categories for Star Wars. I made a fool of myself. I know nothing. I don't know Yoda from the other guy. I don't know. You know what I watched the other day
Starting point is 00:26:19 that's new that's actually not bad is the new Donald Trump movie with Sebastian Stan. Was it good? I was gonna watch it. It's surprisingly good. He's good. It's like a cool version of New York in the 80s where it made New York look kind of grimy and cool.
Starting point is 00:26:33 It was fun. I like movies, I like to see. I'll watch that. I like to see New York in the 60s, the 70s, I like those. That was a good era for movies, man. The Bub. Midnight Cowboy and stuff. Yes. Like Taxi Driver, those are like, it That was a good era for movies, man. The Bob. Midnight Cowboy and stuff. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Like Taxi Driver, those are like, it's a cool era. The Bob Dylan movie, the best part is seeing Old New York. Yeah, like The Village. Yes. Yeah, I liked that movie, that was a good movie. Yeah. That should've won. The movie that won was like, you know.
Starting point is 00:26:58 The Brutalist. No, the Nora, the Nora one. Oh, that's Brooklyn. Yeah, it was in Mill Basin. It was good though. You know, it was good, it was a good movie, but even that song, that's Brooklyn. It was in Mill Basin. It was good though. It was good, but even that's something I would watch again. Right. It's a good movie, that girl did a great job.
Starting point is 00:27:11 She was hot. And I'm glad she won, I don't wanna hear Demi Moore on the speech, every year there's that underdog that wins, and then they have the speech to come back thing. Yeah. I usually tape it, like the Oscars I would tape. I watched the monologue, right, which Conan was great.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Great. And then I fast forward everything else because I don't want to hear all the bullshit speeches. I think, you know, I find a lot of actors, not all, to be full of shit. Of course. Yeah, yeah. So I don't want to hear that, how much they love, I don't want to hear it, you know.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Yeah. I gotta ask you, we gotta talk some Sopranos, I know you're sick of talking Sopranos, but what's your all time episode of Sopranos, you think? What's your favorite? My favorite one, what I liked a lot was one, Whitecaps, which you don't probably know, when Tony, they were gonna buy the beach house.
Starting point is 00:28:02 That was a good one, yeah. And then she admits that she had a thing for Furio. Had some good work, the two of them, that's a real fight there. That is very real, you know? Pine Barrens everyone loves. I'll tell you a funny story about Pine Barrens. We didn't shoot in the Pine Barrens
Starting point is 00:28:19 because there was a politician, it's a scumbag named James Trefinger. And he wouldn't give us the permits. He said it made New Jersey look bad, made Italians look bad, made, you know, it was just bad for the state. He would not give us a weak shot near West Point. And James Trefinger pulled that prick up. Yeah. Look at that prick, if you know him.
Starting point is 00:28:42 And he was arrested and went to jail for fraud and all kinds of shit. Take it, Triffy. I was hoping you'd say fucking kids. That would've really been the nail in the coffin for this prick, but that's bad. Fraud is bad too. Look at that come good work.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Look, he prisoned and he wouldn't give us, so we shot it up there and it just happened to rain. It happened to snow. Oh. It wasn't supposed to take place we shot it up there, and it just happened to rain. It happened to snow. So it wasn't supposed to take place in the snow. It was happening in the snow. It made it snow, so it made it, you know. It made it better. We were up there, I remember we went out the night before,
Starting point is 00:29:14 we were like in Sabar up there, and Steve Buscemi, he directed it. He was singing I Wanna Be Sedated with the band. It was like three in the morning, and I left. I said, man, we gotta get up early. And everybody stayed and it was a lot of fun. Some of your lines, I mean, one of my favorite things about The Sopranos
Starting point is 00:29:35 is how funny it is. You talk about rewatching stuff. It's laugh out loud fun. Oh yeah. You have one of the funniest lines ever in season one when Tony is trying to take down Junior and you go up to him and you say, "'To the victor goes the spoils.'"
Starting point is 00:29:49 That's my first scene I ever shot. It's such a funny line. And he just immediately goes, "'Shut the fuck up.'" Yeah, some of the quotation book of your fat fucking ass. You know, I wore a fat suit the first two years. Oh yeah. No way.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Yeah, and then, I guess I got fat enough on my own. But when I got the jokes, right, that's it. No, Sal, don't play it, because they won't let us play it. That's the first you ever shot, but I had gotten the script and there was all these fat jokes, you're a calzone with legs,
Starting point is 00:30:25 you should start to seriously consider eating salads, all these things. And I'm going, I'm not that much fatter than him. Yeah. Jokes don't make sense. Right. And then they said, hey, you got to come in and get fitted for a fat suit. So they made this ridiculous fat suit. And I was parading around in front of the producers.
Starting point is 00:30:43 It was. That's got to feel good. You're not fat enough for the fat joke. It's flattering. Yeah, I got the job without being fat enough Yeah, your delivery a way into it delivery on the the Santa Claus episode. I'm shy Yeah, oh yeah, gave me some really ziti You know they gave me a lot of but they made your care the beauty that shows that every character has this Incredible like three-dimensional story. I mean like the Karen's ZD arc is so fucking sad. Oh, yeah, listen it is The writers are brilliant. Yeah, yeah, I mean they are absolutely brilliant
Starting point is 00:31:17 You know and when you say it's it could be a comedy It is kind of stuff is so funny And when we did our podcast and I had to re-watch, because I hadn't seen it in years, I mean, you're laughing out loud. I mean, you catch things, you know, you catch shit. 100%. That scene that we talk about all the time,
Starting point is 00:31:37 but when they give him an intervention, Chris. Oh, one of the best scenes you'll ever see. It's brilliant. One of the best scenes in the whole series. I love it. He sits on the dog, calls the mama whore, Paulie punches him. It's gold. Paulie's...
Starting point is 00:31:51 Tony Sirico and Paulie were very similar. Yeah. I guess. Very, very, very similar. He didn't strike me as a chameleon actor. But he had been acting for a long time. I remember him in Bullets over Broadway. I remember him. He did a lot of stuff. Woody Allen loved acting for a long time. Oh, I remember him in Bullets over Broadway. I remember him.
Starting point is 00:32:05 He did a lot of stuff. Woody Allen loved him. He grew up with Woody Allen's sister. And I did a movie, Wonder Wheel. Woody loved him, and Tony would tell him stories. Yeah, Woody, I used to carry my gun over here. Woody was like fascinated with Tony's stories. Tony was a great guy, a lot of laughs without even
Starting point is 00:32:27 knowing it. You know what I mean? One time we were in Atlantic City doing a signing and a guy says, hey Tony, my friend Louie, could you sign a picture to him? He's handicapped, he can't come in. But Tony wrote, to Louie, the best handicapper in town. He had no clue. That's funny. He was right. He was a real tough guy even into his 60s.
Starting point is 00:32:56 He wouldn't fuck with him. He lived in Brooklyn. He lived on Shore Road in Bay Ridge. He's from Brooklyn. And when he was younger, he used to shake down bars. Really? Even for a mob, you know, not only for the mob, but bars that were owned by the mob,
Starting point is 00:33:14 he used to shake them down. He was a legitimate tough guy. Yeah, look at that. There's this crazy film where he's, a black and white documentary, where he talks about, I forget it, but if you find it, he says some serious stuff. I mean, Tony is, you know, he was a good guy,
Starting point is 00:33:33 a lot of laughs, like crazy, crazy stuff. He was germaphobe, he had these crazy eating habits. You know when anthrax was going on? Remember all that? So he thought he was gonna get anthrax in the mail yeah right right you should go to the mailbox with the dish put it in the microwave to like offset it he put his mail on fire Wow wait so that would that would offset and that's what he thought you know that's what he thought, you know, that's what he thought.
Starting point is 00:34:06 A lot of the stuff they got from Tony's, his real life, you know, I mean, he's, you know, he went to jail, he came out, he wanted to be an actor, you know, he did a lot of charity work, he's an iconic TV character forever. Sure. You know, when he got the job,
Starting point is 00:34:23 when Tony got the job, he was living on a cot in his mother's one bedroom in Marine Park in Brooklyn. Wow. Damn. Dead busted. Look at these headshots. I know, what a hunk. He looks like a wrestler there. Very funny. Look at that. That's a Corny Island. Sexy dude. What is that? I don't even know what that is. When people come up to you on the street, what do they usually, is there an episode they usually mention? Is there a moment they usually mention? They just say Bobby.
Starting point is 00:34:52 I get some, of course I was on Blue Bloods for nine years, I get some Anthony. Yeah. But I get Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. They used to ask about the, a lot of young kids watch it now in their 20s. You know, in their teens and their 20s. They used to ask about the ending, the ending, the ending.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Yeah. Well, what do you think? You know, for a long time I thought he, for a long time I thought he was alive, but then after doing the podcast, interviewing, I think he died. You think he got whacked? I think he got whacked.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Maybe it was wishful thinking, thinking he was still alive, but I think he got killed. The fact that we're still talking about it, the ending though, is kind of a worker genius on David Chase's part. And you know, we watched it together. It's the only thing we ever watched together. We did this appearance down in the Hard Rock in Florida, so it was nine of us, Jim and me and Lorraine and Michael
Starting point is 00:35:49 and Cerrico and you know, and he, we were like, and I knew how it was gonna end, but like we were stunned, like we watched it like everyone else, like what the fuck happened? And then we saw, it was like kind of stunning because it said fate to black. I didn't know it was gonna be abrupt like that. Right, right, interesting.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Some people like it, some people didn't like it. Serico, we would do these appearances in the casinos and sometimes people would like, they would say shit to him and he would be there like this. You're like Santa Claus and Macy's, you know, they stand behind you. Oh yeah, like Comic Con. And Tony would go, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell your mother-in-law, tell your mother-in-law,
Starting point is 00:36:32 he was, there was no one he was afraid of. Yeah, that's the thumbnail. Wow. No one he was afraid of. You know what's another iconic episode is, the one with your dad played by Burt Young. Great. I mean, that is, well, he wants to do the one last your dad played by Burt Young. Great. I mean that is where he wants to do the one last hit, remember?
Starting point is 00:36:48 Oh yes. The violence of that season would, I mean every once in a while you'd be like, holy shit, the guy just breaking the head in with the golf club. Yeah. That was one of the most shocking. Yeah, and Burt was a great actor, a very underrated actor. I think he was a very serious actor. And then I think with the Rocky movies, people thought he was Paulie.
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Starting point is 00:39:17 They had a sitcom, you know that? He had a sitcom for a little while. With Burt Young? Yes. What? No, no, no. Oh, okay, that's a weird pairing. So listen, Young? Yes. What? No, no, no. Oh, okay. That's a weird pairing.
Starting point is 00:39:25 So listen, so he hired Burt, me, Cathy Moriarty from... Raging Bull. Raging Bull. Yeah. Paul Savino. Maybe a couple other people. And we did two shows, like an early one and a late one.
Starting point is 00:39:42 And Burt loved to drink, and Burt went downstairs and got fucking demolished. And he couldn't do the second show, he couldn't speak, he had a lot of lines, so they gave him to me, and I can't learn on the fly. So like I'm doing the best I can, I had to give a eulogy, and like one of the producers go, hey, you know, could you get a little,
Starting point is 00:40:05 I said, are you kidding? You gave this to me five minutes ago. The thing is, it's big. And so Burke like barely said anything at all. And it was all of us, you know. Bert was a great, great, great guy. He only did one episode of The Sopranos, but it was very memorable.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Oh my God, it was crazy. And the other guy died that played Mustang Sally. Wow, really? He died of drug overdose, yeah. Yeah, he was a good actor. He was a real New York actor, you know. Burt was in Chinatown. Oh yeah. Jack Nicholson.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Jack Nicholson. And back to school. Yes. Back to school. Yeah, classic. He crushes the napkin holder. Right, right. I would imagine him and Rodney hung out pretty good. Oh yeah. You know? Good guy.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Yeah listen, there was no bad Soprano episodes. It's gonna be like better than others. I agree. I mean it's funny that you could tell, did you watch the documentary they did on HBO? Yeah, we had a thing at the Beacon last year. I liked it. What did you think of it? I liked it. I didn't like what they did on HBO? Yeah, they had a thing at the Beacon last year. I liked it. What did you think of it?
Starting point is 00:41:06 I liked it. I didn't like what they did with Jim. They made Jim sound like he was this raging junkie. That's true. Which he was not. Made him sound like an angry guy. He was not. He was a really good guy.
Starting point is 00:41:16 He was kind of a hippie, right? Birkenstock. Yeah, he wore Birkenstock. He would listen to music. He was really generous. Like, you know, he had this big contract dispute in 2004 against HBO. And it got really ugly. And when we came back in and he finished it,
Starting point is 00:41:35 all the regulars, he gave us a check for $33,000. Wow. $33,333 in 2004. So he bought like everybody a car. Basically, yeah. He was a really generous guy. When we rapped, he bought everyone watches, the cast, the crew, the cast $10,000 watches.
Starting point is 00:41:59 He was not, he was really serious about the work. He was a lot of fun. We had a lot of laughs. We hung out a lot, all of us. Went out all the time, back then. But I thought the documentary, though I loved it, I thought it was really good. I did not like how he was portrayed in it.
Starting point is 00:42:17 I hear that. I heard that from other people too. I didn't like that. It's like he was a junkie acting. He was an actor that had a problem. Not always, not always. I mean the performance is flawless, man. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Do you feel like he made everyone up their game like crazy? Of course. Yeah, I mean it's so cool when like someone goes that hard with a role. I mean you can't picture anyone else in that role. No. It's so hard. And you know who it came down to?
Starting point is 00:42:43 Three people. Stevie Vanzant. Wow, Michael Rispoli, you know Michael Rispoli? He was on the show still, right? He's Jackie, wasn't he Jackie June? Jackie June. Yeah. And Michael's a great guy, great actor.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Oh yeah. The three of them tested for HBO. It came to the wire, the three of them. Well, they went with the right choice. You know, and Jim in a scene, I mean you see him angry, sad, raging, you see four different you know you see four different things. Of course he upped his game, he was really serious with the acting.
Starting point is 00:43:15 It's no secret there were some problems. He liked to go out maybe a little too much you know. Who doesn't? Do you think it sometimes like goes hand in hand though? Like when you burn that hard on one end, you need a release of some sort. You know, I don't know about that. You know, I mean, I've thought about that.
Starting point is 00:43:34 I personally, probably I'm not a good enough actor. I can't go out and then go to work the next day. So I never ever go out the night before. I don't go out like I used to anyway. But years ago, I was out five nights a week. We all used to hang together. Go into restaurants, stay out all night, go to after hours, get off at,
Starting point is 00:43:57 finish work at three in the morning and then go out. We all did. We were all hanging out. We used to do casino appearances, travel together. We almost beat this guy up. There was this guy bothering us at the Hilton, like a real obnoxious asshole. We were in the Elvis suite with the high rollers
Starting point is 00:44:16 and we bit our tongue and let it go. And then he showed up again like two years later at the Golden Nugget. And before he said a word, Jim said, that fucking guy is here. He says one word, let's beat the fuck out of him. We never did it, let's fucking do it. And luckily, I told the host and they told the guy to leave.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Imagine that story. You're not going to believe who beat my ass. Jim was a lot of fun. I mean, he was very smart, very ass. You know, Jim was a lot of fun. I mean, he was very smart, very, very smart guy. He did a lot of stuff, but that's what I didn't like about the documentary. I liked David's stuff, and it shows you David, you know, he's a genius, but he's a little quirky.
Starting point is 00:44:57 He's got problems too, yeah. Well, I didn't know so much about the mom. I didn't know that Sopranos really started with his mom, and then it just grew from there. Well, it's crazy that if that actress doesn't die, the show could be something completely different. Something different, Nancy Marshawn. You know, they said they audition a whole lot of actresses,
Starting point is 00:45:14 some really big actresses, and he said that she came in, she's not Italian, and she like channeled his mother. Yeah. And it was scary. She's amazing. It was scary. Isn't that amazing? It doesn't always go to like maybe the biggest amazing. It was scary. Isn't that amazing? It doesn't always go to like maybe the biggest actor. It's just like, oh, that reminds me
Starting point is 00:45:28 of my fucked up childhood the most. Exactly. That's crazy though. You know, getting a job as an actor, I mean, do you guys act? Yeah. Is that a, you want it? We wrote a movie for ourselves that we're trying to do.
Starting point is 00:45:41 So if that works, that'd be very cool. But yeah. Yeah, I can't act. He's better than he's saying he is. Ah, that's true. I mean, none of us are gonna be Johnny Depp, we just play ourselves. I can drink and hit a woman.
Starting point is 00:45:51 It's okay, but you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's so hard to get a job because, you know, like, there was this guy came in and this director told me this story. He wanted to hire Joe Blow. He said, that's the guy, don't even show me anybody else. That's the guy. And the producer says, hey,
Starting point is 00:46:16 why remind me too much of my boyfriend? Exactly. I'm not gonna be able to handle three months of him. Exactly. So the guy who did a great job doesn't get the job. And then there's, I remember on The Sopranos there was a thing, they read for an FBI agent and they hired, okay, her, her and her,
Starting point is 00:46:33 oh wait a minute, that's three blondes. One, get her out, get the other one in. It's like, how do you even get a job? You can color your hair, you know? Right. All's gotta be lined up. There's so many factors. That's a great point.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Years ago, I read when I first started for Chuck Norris thing, and it was a great read. It was a mob guy, it was a great read, and the casting director said, man, it was just starting, it was in LA, I was living in Vegas, I would go to LA all the time to audition, and she said, that was fantastic, where have you been?
Starting point is 00:47:08 And then she said, they'll never hire you. He's five eight, I'm six two. She said, he'll never hire you. Right. Damn. So it's like, right? It's not about talent, talent's out, it's just luck of the draw.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Was there anything you ever read for that you were like, fuck. I really wish I got that That that didn't go your way good question. I was up for a big role I didn't read for it, but I had worked with Clint Eastwood before in the Jersey boys that Christopher walking rule oh yeah, I was up for that and I didn't get it I got I think I came pretty close down to the wire.
Starting point is 00:47:45 And then he offered me to play a barber, four lines. What was I going to say? No to Clint Eastwood? You got to take it. I liked him a lot because I had played a chef. I had a bigger role in another movie. And we kind of hit it off. And we went to dinner. And so I did it.
Starting point is 00:48:01 I was shaving Christopher Walken all day. I wouldn't shave a shaving cream on him. But that I would have liked. Yeah. East was really cool. Great guy. Yeah. You know, no bullshit there.
Starting point is 00:48:13 You better be prepared. No bullshit. You come in, you know your stuff. He's not babying you. You don't work long hours. Couple of takes, boom, boom, boom. No bullshit. No coddling you. No, oh yeah, it's boom, boom. No bullshit, no coddling you, no,
Starting point is 00:48:26 oh yeah, it's gonna be okay. You better be prepared, that's why he hired you. Do your shit. There's no like, well let me work my way into this. All the nonsense actors do. Do your shit, get in, boom. He was very nice, we spoke at length. Oh really?
Starting point is 00:48:44 Yeah, we spoke at length. What are you talking about? One day we spoke at length. Talking about Vegas in the old days. He was good friends with Jimmy Durante. Oh nice. Wow. Like the old days, he went back there.
Starting point is 00:48:54 He's like 95. Right. He went back there like in the 50s. He was in the 50s too. Damn, look at that. Damn. So we talked about that and then I enjoyed that. Then he went to a restaurant here that I liked., share with us to I mean, this is one of the great, you asked me what movie? That's a great one. One of the best movies. Great movie. Great.
Starting point is 00:49:25 It bombed too at the box office, but it's so good. Great movie. It's hilarious and it's got the great series. I mean, it does a similar thing to Hand on Her Sisters where they have the two great. So great. Yes. I mean, he's made so many great movies.
Starting point is 00:49:38 So I always wanted to work with him. I auditioned for him for this, he did a series for Amazon. Really? So I'm reading for him for this, he did a series for Amazon. Really? So I read it for the, I don't know what the role is, they don't tell you. So I go there, my agent says they wanna see you. So I go to this place on Park Avenue, it's an apartment,
Starting point is 00:49:58 like office apartment, and I go in, there's no sides, there's nothing to read, and so she comes over and she hands me this, she said, you got five minutes. Woody's not gonna say anything. Burt Young just dropped out. You got five minutes, he's not gonna, he can't hear, so speak up, he's gonna know in 60 seconds.
Starting point is 00:50:22 You got five minutes to learn the shit, he's gonna know in 60 seconds. You got five minutes to learn the shit. He's gonna know in 60 seconds. She said, don't take offense. The pressure. So I go in, I'm reading, it's a role of a highway patrol guy. So I look it over, you know, it's not that much, and I look it over, I'm gonna have the paper in my hand. So I'm saying like, what if I, it's all dark in there.
Starting point is 00:50:44 I walk in the room, it's all dark. And he's in the corner, it's like a scene from a movie. He's in the corner, he's wearing the corduroy pants with the jacket, with the patches. You know? And he's in the corner, like in the dark. She said he's not gonna shake your hand. So he was like, like there, right?
Starting point is 00:51:02 And I'm like, how you doing, Woody? Thanks for seeing me. And I'm saying like, I don't know what the fuck am like, how you doing, Woody? Thanks for seeing me. And I'm saying like, what the fuck am I gonna do? So I start talking about the Knicks. Knowing he's a Knick fan, I figured, let me, so they don't let me, maybe he could get to know, you know, something. So we talked a few minutes about the Knicks back then.
Starting point is 00:51:18 This is 2018 or something, right? Yeah. Talking about the Knicks, blah, blah, blah. That was a rough year too. You're like, how about a Bargnani? You know, we, talk about the next blah blah blah. That was a rough year, too You're like, how about a barniani? You know who we're talking about the next and then I Didn't get it. And then when he did this movie, they just gave it to me Hey, I got to talk to him. He was shy for I worked like eight days nine days
Starting point is 00:51:39 He was very shy, but then I started talking to him about stand-up and Vegas. He headlines sees his power He was a great stand-up in Vegas. He headlined Caesar's Palace. Wow. He was a great stand-up. Great show. He said he would love to do it. I said, you think you'll ever do it again? He said, it's so hard. And we were talking about Shecky Green, who I knew and I worked with, and some of the old Vegas comics we were talking about.
Starting point is 00:52:00 He loved Bobby Slayton. Wow. Really? What? That's incredible. He loved Bobby Slayton, and. Really? What? That's incredible. He put Bobby Slayton in and he said, Bobby's a really good actor. He put Bobby in three or four of his things. Bobby's got a great scene in his Amazon show
Starting point is 00:52:14 playing a writer in a diner. Like it's four or five page scene. Wow. Wow. Yeah, he liked, he liked, he liked him. That's so intimidating though, the dark room with Woody in the corner, the camera, it's like basic instinct, you know? That's so intimidating though, the dark room with Woody in the corner. The camera, it's like basic instinct, you know?
Starting point is 00:52:28 That's so awkward. And I had heard, and I don't know if it was true, but people had told me that he didn't want to meet the actor so sometimes he would be in another room like watching on camera, listening. Like a police interrogator. Yeah, like he would go like this. I put his head down and just like listen to you. Dominic T., Uncle Junior told me he auditioned for a play
Starting point is 00:52:52 and that's what he did. Weird. So that was kind of odd. He wasn't weird on the set. Yeah. You know, he was very nice. You know, nice. But once he got to know me, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:02 the Jim Belushi was in the movie. It wasn't one of his better ones. Right, right. We worked with Kate Winslet, Jim Belushi, and Serico. And Serico would tell you, you know, Serico would say, hey, after you say that line, look at me. You know, let me get my mug in there. Give me a look. Yeah. You know, he would actually tell you to look at him, you know, he's directing you. What the fuck? Well, he had a mug. Let me get my mug in there.
Starting point is 00:53:28 You said you worked with Walken. Did you get to know him at all? Yeah, I got to know him. The first time I met him, I did a movie, Kill the Irishman. He was in it. Oh, that was a pretty good one. We didn't have scenes together. What was it?
Starting point is 00:53:38 The actor passed away recently, didn't he? Ray Stevenson. Yeah, he was great in that movie. Great, great. I had a big scene with him. Good guy. Great, great. I had a big scene with him. Good guy. We had fun. We shot it in Detroit, a double for Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Christopher Walken, he just came. He was, we were shooting another scene and he was wearing jeans and a rope as a belt. Weird. He had a rope. He was saying, I'm starting to watch that show. His wife cast the show. George Ann Walken cast the entire Run of the Sopranos.
Starting point is 00:54:10 She cast me. What? And he said, I'm starting to, I'm just starting to watch that show. I think the show is over, my man. You know? But he was great. And then, you know, we talked. But I watched the Sopranos afterwards like I mean
Starting point is 00:54:27 I guess I came in at the very end but like it feels weird to have to wait a week to see the next episode Oh, we would wait. We'd have big parties watch party. Yeah, that's a lot of people David Chase loved that you know, so many people had these parties and Italian meals and all this stuff on on You know, it's crazy. Listen, we had the premiere of a TV show at Radio City. Wow. Wow. Every year, six, the first year was at John's Pizza, and then every year after that, it was at Radio City.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Oh my God. That's insane. And people were dying to get tickets. It was like the hottest ticket. Yeah. I think at my kid's school, I auctioned off $10,000 for two tickets. And then we would have the party at Radio City. And if the ice wasn't there, like where the ice is,
Starting point is 00:55:17 that would be the after party. Oh, and you put your balls up. There would show two episodes. Sorry. That's crazy. Damn. I mean, it was like crazy. It's so funny that the Italians got so mad about this show. Like I don't know, I'm half Italian.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Who gives you? How do you feel about Luigi then, if this show bothered you? You know, he's like a real Italian. Well, some people love him. That's true. Yeah. I mean, first of all, it's all bullshit. It's a TV show.
Starting point is 00:55:41 You know, I had a guy, you know, I wrote a book called Nicky Deuce, and we turned it into a movie and gave the Feeneys in it, and Michael and Cerrico and a couple other people. And I wrote the kids book, and then I sold it to Nickelodeon. Oh wow. And so I was going around doing book signings. Nice.
Starting point is 00:55:59 And I was going around doing book signings, and this guy was like emailing and writing letters to the bookstore saying how I make Italians look bad. The story, it was about a kid in a neighborhood in Bensonhurst and blah, blah, blah. So I'm going like, what's this guy talking about? Some organization, it was some bullshit organization. So finally I called the guy. And I said, I think his name was Joe, of course.
Starting point is 00:56:30 I said, what can I do for you? What is it that I could do for you because you're harassing me? What is it that you want from me? And I said, this is the world I grew up in. This is what I know. This is what I know. You know, rappers write about, you know, the hood? This is what I know. Yes. This is what I know. You know, rap is right about the hood. This is what I know.
Starting point is 00:56:49 I know what I know. It wasn't autobiographical, but there was stuff in there. It's like Brooklyn in the 70s. He said, well, if you make a donation to my face, the fucking guy tried to shake me down. Wow, very Italian. Yeah, he's the one who's doing the bad. Exactly. So, you know, and I used to, you know, people would say, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:09 I don't watch that show you're on. It makes Italians look bad. I said, have you seen it? No, I don't watch it. Well then, how do you know? Exactly. You know, this is a slice of Italian American life that exists.
Starting point is 00:57:21 You could argue it makes any group, you could argue it makes Jews look bad. Hesh is your fucking one Jew Right. Absolutely. I could argue makes anyone anyone can get offended I mean if you're if you're ignorant enough to think that every rap is a gang member. It's a good point There's also that character Lorraine Bracco's ex-husband on the show He's kind of that guy that they're making fun of. He's an asshole. He's always like, this makes us all look bad. But you're like, you're that fucking guy.
Starting point is 00:57:48 That was smart to write that guy in. Oh, it was such a self-aware shit. Oh, yeah. And then they had that thing, remember, the Columbus Day parade? Yes. Nick DePaulo's in that episode. He's a cop. Yeah, Nick DePaulo.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Yeah. Nick was in it. You know, Nick got the role on his own, but I think I might have helped him get the, well I certainly talked to them, I said if it's, I can't get you the role, but if it's on the fence, push it over. He did a great job. Nick was a crazy soprano fan.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Oh, he knew, he had a bit about sopranos. You know, we used to do a live show now, me, Michael, and the rest of it, we're gonna be at Sony Hall August 18th. Oh, that's cool. And we do it all over the country. We toured Australia. We're touring the UK in the spring next year.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Do you like touring with them? It's great. Yeah. It's great. We tell behind the scenes stories, funny stories. We do Q and A, meet and greet, we show clips, slides. You know, if you're a soprano fan, you don't wanna miss it. It's really good. And we sell out most places. Nice. We do theaters, you know, if you're a soprano fan, you don't wanna miss it, it's really good.
Starting point is 00:58:45 And we sell out most places. Nice. We do theaters, you know? And so, Nick, we used to do a show early on called Comedy You Can't Refuse, and we would have a couple of comics, you know? And Nick, Nick DiPaolo did Westbury, you know, in the round.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah, Long Island. Westbury, Long Island, in the round. Long Island. Westbury, Long Island, he came out and he said, welcome to Jewville. I think that's how he intro'd me on his radio show too. That's what he said, I mean that's what he said. That's nice. And then in Vegas, I mean he had one of the best sets
Starting point is 00:59:24 I had ever seen. Really? But now now he's like he went way to the Did his podcast it was like I don't even know if he remembered who I was He can find a way to get to Hillary But he's hilarious really some of those classic albums have some great really funny And I mean funny guy he used to to he wrote some stuff for my first book. I did that Goombas guy to life. You might be a Goomba if we did a bunch of those you have more pinky rings than pinkies. I think he wrote the one Nathan Lane. You know something you never hear a
Starting point is 00:59:56 Goomba say Nathan Lane. I adore Nathan. Nick wrote that. Nick wrote a bunch of shit. He helped with the book, yeah. I think the first two books, he wrote some good stuff. Really funny. Oh yeah. Super funny. I say to him, I think I called him once, we used to do this triple X show,
Starting point is 01:00:16 like it was called Extreme Comedy, Joe Rogan did it. Years ago in the 90s in Vegas, Joe did it. And a bunch of Nick maybe you tell a bunch of it was like midnight on the Saturday you know real blue as blue as you wanted to go and I called Nick I think he was in his room I went hey what mr. I said hey well you how grumpy are you today you He said, I know, you're fucking Mr. Happy all the time. I love going back for this. I love that you called that guy just to get straight to it, the guy who's offended all
Starting point is 01:00:53 the time. That should be a TV show. A tying guy from Brooklyn, if you're offended, we'll call you and we'll talk it out. Absolutely. I used to call comics, well, you know, comics could be annoying. Yes. So I ran a few rooms in Vegas and they wanted work, right? I did one in Houston, I had the Maxim Hotel, I had the Riviera. But that's not still around, is it, the Maxim Hotel?
Starting point is 01:01:16 The Maxim Hotel, I think they changed the name, that's not around. They had a comedy, a small comedy club, right? And I used to book some acts into the trop. I had a little agency there years ago while I worked at the RIP. And there's guys I just didn't want to use for one reason or another. And they would like keep calling and calling. And then I would, like after the second call, I would call them and say, I don't want to use you. Yeah, take a hint. I don't want to use you. This is before even email. Yeah, I don't want to use you. Yeah, I never used email. I said I don't want to use you. So this is before even email. Yeah, I don't want to use you. Yeah, I never used email. I said, I don't want to use you.
Starting point is 01:01:46 That's it. I mean, I get it. I know you're a great comic. You're not for me. Yeah. Because I know guys were paying the ass. I used to try to book guys that didn't bother me. I don't want to be bothered.
Starting point is 01:01:57 I don't want phone calls at night. Right. Just do your fucking act. The comic is helpful. I didn't even go see your act. There was this girl came and she said, she was working in the club and she came over and I was walking through the casino and she said, hey, are you gonna come and see me or what?
Starting point is 01:02:15 I've been here since Monday. I went, let's leave well enough for long. If I see your act, I may not book your act. Just fucking do it. Leave me alone. I don't get complaints on you. Come on time and leave me alone. Yeah, well that's the thing. We know a lot of comic, you never heard a comic go,
Starting point is 01:02:30 man, I'm not that good. Every comic thinks they're good enough. That's the problem. But it wasn't even that. It was like for one reason or another. A lot of comics would call on their own. A lot of guys weren't, didn't have representation. Especially in a club. Richie Miller club, you know. Richie Miller,
Starting point is 01:02:46 we were talking about Richie Miller. Oh yeah. He used to call, he would say, hey, so and so's been there before, you gave him $1200. You think you could give him $1250? I went, wow, you're a great fucking agent. I said, how about if I give him $1300? You know what? I'll give him $1400. Does that make you a great agent? Like I didn't care. It was the hotel's budget. That's Dennis Miller's brother.
Starting point is 01:03:10 Dennis Miller. Yeah. He ran down in San Antonio, right? Is that where his brother was? He did Cap City for a minute. Oh yeah, and Philly. I don't know, is he still doing it? He's a good guy.
Starting point is 01:03:19 I don't know. He got very mad at me once, I remember. I told you before, but I missed a morning TV spot, but my phone broke, I was just like, I wasn't on purpose, but yeah, I overslept and he was not happy. Yeah, but you know, so I'm saying, when you're booking the acts,
Starting point is 01:03:37 there's so many guys that are so crazed, not all comics, but there's so many of those stories. This guy did this, this guy did that, this guy. You know what I mean? Like you're all over the place, so they don't get the benefit of the doubt, unfortunately. Sure. You know, you can't, especially when you're not selling
Starting point is 01:03:56 tickets at that point, you gotta not fuck up at all. Exactly. Not fucked up, so. Yeah, they were being nice by having us, Len. Yeah, well, that was it. It was really the same three comics. I mean, at the RIV, it was three shows a night. At one point, three shows a night, seven nights a week, 21 shows. Wow.
Starting point is 01:04:17 That's insane. Port Freeman would play the open of $500. Whoa. Room and food in the employee cafeteria. Wow. For a week. He was making a fortune. Yeah, he's making a fortune And you know there was four comics on the bill The two comics in between made 800 to open 750 and the headliner got maybe
Starting point is 01:04:38 2500 for a week for a week damn You know and you know the club is doing well. People got bang for the buck. The show came with two free drinks or a buffet at the time. Hey. That buffet was fun, man. That was nice. I love a good buffet.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Good eating, especially when you were broke. But the one at the RIV was a shitty one. They always say that, but I always find shit I like. This one sucks. I'm like, nah, I found some good shit. Yeah, they got some decent jello. They got a walk. Right. But there's a lot of clubs in Vegas now.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Oh yeah. Now there's a lot. Back then there was only a couple. But now there's- There's Jimmy Kimmel. Have you done? Tommy Seller many times. Yeah, I've done The Seller.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Kimmel, Brad Garrett. I think there's a Wise Guys there now. Yeah, there's a couple of Wise Guys. That's all after me. That's all after me. But Wise Guys is off the strip, which seems kind of nice, because that's the best part of Vegas. That's all after me. That's all after. But wise guys is off the strip, which seems kind of nice, because that's the best part of Vegas is when you get the locals.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Oh yeah, definitely. They've been to strip malls, they've got two of them. There's two different ones. I think there's two wise guys. One at the Arts District and there's another one. The Utah one is great. That's a great club. Great club. One in Salt Lake. Stubbs. Keith Stubbs.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Do you guys still do clubs mostly? Sometimes. Yeah, I mean we do both. We do theaters and clubs, you know, but. You tour together? No, no. Well why don't you tour together? Does that make sense? You have to split the money.
Starting point is 01:05:54 You split the money. Yeah, but you play a theater. We do theaters already. Oh, you're doing theater? Yeah. Did you do Montclair, didn't I ask you that? Did you do the theater in Montclair? I don't think I did Montclair.
Starting point is 01:06:03 Maybe I'm doing it. I might be doing it. What do you do, 1,000 seaters, 1,500? It depends, it depends on the situation. Something like that, yeah. Great, you gotta sweat it out though, fucking. You know, I sweat it out, like when we have a show, you know, if we're gonna sell out or not.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Oh, always, always, oh. And I don't do, and listen, to be honest, this is just like kind of a hobby. We do it here and there, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to make a living at it, you know. It's just. No, but I hear know? But still, you wanna do well. Tickets are everything. And sometimes you'll be like,
Starting point is 01:06:28 oh shit, we're at 60%, then two days before it'll hit 90, and you're like, thank God. Yeah, I know, certain cities, you're just like fucking like Phoenix, Houston, it's like they buy the fucking day off. Yes, at the buzzer. That sucks.
Starting point is 01:06:39 You know, listen, when I was doing Ray Romano, I think the first time, it was a thousand seater, he did 250 people. Oh, I didn a thousand seater, he did 250 people. Oh, that's amazing. Kevin James did 200 people. It was like kind of before their time. Sure. But they were already good comics.
Starting point is 01:06:52 They were great comics, but that has nothing to do with that. Totally, totally, yeah, you gotta build it. Yeah, I mean, there was, you know, I mean, you're playing Vegas, there's a million things to do. Paul Rodriguez used to work for me, you know Paul? Oh yeah. I know of him, yeah. You Rodriguez used to work for me, you know Paul? Oh yeah. I know a lot of him, yeah. You know, I was the first guy to use him not on, you know, Hispanic holidays.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Right, right. And then I did gay shows, nobody did gay shows back then. I was just doing gay shows in the casino. Yeah. Who'd you use, like Mario Cantone? No, not Mario, Mario worked at, I think, Catch. Scott Thompson. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:27 Oh yeah. There was a guy, Scott Tennedy, he passed away. We did an album, Lea DeLaria. Uh-huh. She worked for me. You know Lea? No.
Starting point is 01:07:39 She's a comic and an actor. She was on Orange is the New Black. Okay, cool. But nobody was doing gay shows. Sure. Even though we had a female impersonator show. So there was three rooms that I ran. There was a comedy club, there was a topless show,
Starting point is 01:07:54 and then a female impersonator show. They were all like in one complex. Damn. So you had like a guy with tits and a dick, and then you had real tits downstairs. Yeah, we still have that now Just different names for it I gotta ask you cuz you I mean you've worked with Eastwood you've worked with Woody Allen's or anyone that you're like
Starting point is 01:08:12 Oh, I'd love to work with this person. I don't care. You know, okay Easy I work with him on casino. That's why I got my sad card I don't really care, you know some good comes along and I like the material, I do it, I'm lucky I don't have to work. I'm doing Dexter now. I was on Blue Bloods. Blue was good. I was on another show after The Sopranos
Starting point is 01:08:34 that I did 110 episodes. So I've been very lucky. And I really am not that guy. I mean, if it's a good director, I'd love to do it if it's a good role. And if not, listen, I'm not to do it if it's a good role, and if not, you know, listen, I'm not starring in no movies, I know my reality. You know, I know what's what, you know?
Starting point is 01:08:50 I'm not gonna play an English professor. I play a blue collar guy. And that's it. I've done okay so far. Yeah, you've had a great career, man. So far so good. It's nice to be in that place. And if it's over, it's over.
Starting point is 01:09:02 I'm all right, I'm old. You guys are just starring. Well, how'd you sell a show to Nickelodeon, it's over. I'm all right, I'm old. You guys are just starting. Well, how'd you sell a show to Nickelodeon? That's genius, I would never even have thought of that. I sold a show to Nickelodeon. I sold numerous shows. I showed one to FX at one time. Really?
Starting point is 01:09:15 Fox at one time, ABC, I had a sitcom deal in 2004. What was that about? You know, at the time they had Damon Way's, my wife and kids, they had George Lopez, they had Jim Belushi, and this was going to be the Italian version of that. And we made a deal, wrote the pilot, it didn't work. Then they put me with another guy and the guy flaked. A big, big creator. And he just like flaked. We went to lunch.
Starting point is 01:09:49 We went to lunch at the Palm. Chuck Lorre, you come back. And he was fucking chewing his steak and spitting it in his napkin. We went to the Palm over here on 15th Street. What a waste. And I thought, I'm thinking to myself, it was weird to me, but I don't know the guy.
Starting point is 01:10:05 There's a guy, the first person I pitched with, she wrote the pilot, it didn't work, and they wanted to continue on with me, and not her, so they found me this guy who had created a huge show. And he didn't swallow. It was fucking very weird. It was very, very weird. And we had meeting after meeting
Starting point is 01:10:26 after meeting and he never wrote anything. He just like fucking disappeared. Weird. The thing ran out and that was that. Yeah well what's the secret? We're trying to sell shit. How do you do it? What's the move in the room? Is there any... I'm pretty good in the room. I mean I've sold like six things. Discovery Channel I sold. Wow. Cooking six things discovery channel. I sold Wow cooking channel Be real be yourself and tell the fucking story. I mean, I'm don't be shy and don't be Robotic yeah, go in there. Tell them what you're doing. You look like a guy that's nervous Jokes and I go too far and I blow it
Starting point is 01:11:03 Tell the story this hey, this is about the two of us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is what it is. I feel, we'll figure it out. You guys are funny guys. Thanks, man. You know, I'm being serious. I'm not even talking about your act. You guys are funny guys.
Starting point is 01:11:15 So a lot of comics are not funny at all. That's true. Funny how? Yeah. Sorry. Like De Niro. Like this guy over here. Listen, you couldn't have a conversation with Robert De Niro, but if he's got a script, he's a wonderful actor
Starting point is 01:11:29 Yeah, you're taking that away. Of course be yourself. This is what the show is whatever the movie. It's the two of you Yeah, all right. It took me seven years from when I sold it to get it made. Geez. That's a nightmare That is crazy. That's TV, that's production. Jim did it, Jim's scene in it is hilarious. It's one of his last movies. Damn. Damn. It's one of his last movies.
Starting point is 01:11:52 It sucks that we didn't get to see him do more. He had such range, you know. I know. He was a good guy. Lot of fucking fun, man. You know, we had a lot of laughs. That's why I didn't like the, well, I liked the documentary.
Starting point is 01:12:04 I thought it was very well done. I won an Academy Award at Alex Gibney. I could have taken another couple episodes. I was like, this is so entertaining. It was good, and David's stuff, I didn't know a lot either. You're right. Dave, when we had the podcast, David Chase listened to every podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:19 Wow. And he came on three times. Wow, what does he want here? He liked it, which we got his blessing because he's very particular, this is his thing, and he liked it, so we were very happy about that. Michael wrote five episodes. That's incredible that he did that.
Starting point is 01:12:34 Imperialy, so he is much more knowledgeable than I was. He was there, behind the scenes, he was there from day one, so he knew, you know. How did that happen? Like how do, I mean you cast him as the actor, then how do you know he's a terrific writer? Because he had written, he wrote Summer of Sam. He wrote that?
Starting point is 01:12:53 Oh yeah, with Liguzamo. Wow. Him and another guy wrote that, with Liguzamo and Spike Lee. Right. Yeah. Right, and he had written other stuff, you know. And so, I guess AX, if he wanted to write,
Starting point is 01:13:06 so he was in the writers room, he was privy to all that shit. Damn. Damn. And what detail, like to the show, like if it said, it's got, you know, whatever, M&Ms in the bowl, it had to be M&Ms. Right.
Starting point is 01:13:22 If it said spaghetti at the table, it couldn't be a different kind of... Rigatoni. No, no, no, no. He would go crazy, David. It was very specific. He's wearing this coat, he's doing this. You couldn't change a line, not a word.
Starting point is 01:13:37 Whoa. Not a word. People said, hey, that was you, you ad-libbed that. No fucking ad-lib. Not one ad-lib, maybe. That's the quick way out of there. You get killed. Interesting. The No fucking ad-lib. Not one ad-lib midway. That's the quick way out of there. You get killed. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:13:47 The fucker kill you off. Wow. Do you think he killed anyone off because they were just annoying? I think it might have, maybe. Wow. I think maybe, you know, maybe. I don't know for sure.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Richie Apriel. No, no, I think he knew they only had one. Yeah, that was a great, when you said jacket, of course I think he knew they only had one. Yeah, that was a great, when you said jacket, I know, of course I think the jacket. I was in that scene, yeah, I was in that scene. Great. But you know, when David Pervile came on the screen,
Starting point is 01:14:15 you kinda got uncomfortable. Yeah. Got scared, he was like, you know, a major crazy. Oh, he was great. Like crazy, he was great. You know, he was in Mean Streets. I remember, yeah. And you know, they became stars, he didn't. He was crazy, he was great. You know, he was in Mean Streets. I remember, yeah. And you know, they became stars, he didn't.
Starting point is 01:14:27 He struggled the whole way. Right. He was an acting teacher. What? This was his thing, he came on the podcast, he told us that he flew here on his own, and he read with Jim, and he said he was staying somewhere in there their Central Park
Starting point is 01:14:45 West. He said when he got into the hallway he could hear the phone ringing, you know, coming from the audition and he got in the room, he picked up the phone and his agent said he got the role. He said he broke down on the bed crying. He said because he felt he deserved it. He said I deserve it. He said all these felt he deserved it. Yeah. He said I deserve it. He said all these fucking years of struggling,
Starting point is 01:15:09 that was it, you know? Well he killed it too, he was the scariest guy on the show. He was the scariest of all of them. Easily, the fucking Janis with the gun under her head, all that shit. Ralphie was, Ralphie. Ralphie was scary too. Ralphie was scary in a different way, like a crazy way.
Starting point is 01:15:22 Janis was one of the worst characters. She was great though. She was a murderer. Yeah. She was a murderer, manipulator, she stole the girl's leg. Yeah. She was like her mother.
Starting point is 01:15:32 That's right. Like an insane. She was great in the show, yeah. So good. Yeah. The boob, the tit tattoo. The way she manipulated Tony too, I mean she was so, it was such a great dynamic.
Starting point is 01:15:41 I think to me, she was one of the most horrific characters. Yeah, very layered. Don't forget she murdered him and then, you know. He did have it coming though. I mean that was definitely a moan. No, no, that's not. Yeah, Luigi. Yeah, Luigi.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Yeah, Luigi. Listen, if we're gonna do that, half the fucking city deserves it. I know, but this. That's true. Babe, Richie Aprile was a bad dude. Yes, yes. Horrible. They all are.
Starting point is 01:16:07 And he just hit her. When you think about it, they all are. He hit her and then he mocked her. It was kind of like, you know. They all are. We rooted, that was the genius of the show. Tony Soprano was a horrible guy. He murdered people.
Starting point is 01:16:21 He ripped people off, not just in it, not other mobsters. You know, I don't want to hear that. Just, oh, they ripped people off, not just in, not other mobsters. You know, I don't wanna hear that, just, oh, they hurt each other, bullshit. Christopher murdered, I don't know, 16 people, I think. And then he sat on the dog, the people were mad about the dog. They weren't mad about the people. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:16:38 Right, I mean. A lot of those people did something to deserve it. That dog, coz that didn't do anything wrong. But all these people murdered, yet we liked them. Yes. We thought they were funny. They were. I mean, Paulie Walnuts, how many people did he kill?
Starting point is 01:16:49 It would remind you, every once in a while, they would remind you, like when he killed that old lady, you were like, oh shit, yeah, he's a fucking bad guy. Whenever you got comfortable, David showed you. Good point. He killed the lady, smothered her. You know, in that, they wanted him to choke her, but he was very protective, Tony Cerrico was of Pauly.
Starting point is 01:17:10 And he thought if he choked her that the audience wouldn't like Pauly. And so he said, can I smother her with a pillow? And they said yeah, and he liked that. Okay. Now he's likable. Yeah. One of the few times they let you change the line. Yeah. Was they called him and one of the two of the characters said I'm afraid of Paulie he's a he's a bully and he went to the writers and said Paulie is not a bully I don't like that you got to change that I don't like Paulie's not a bully of course Paulie
Starting point is 01:17:44 was a bully. Yeah. So they change it to I don't like that Paul you gotta change that. I don't like Paulie's not a bully. Of course Paulie was a bully. So they change it to I don't like that Paulie, he's a psycho and Tony liked that. Okay, that's good. Interesting. Interesting. Well I liked in the doc when they said HBO was really against having Tony kill the guy
Starting point is 01:17:59 in the Witness Protection episode, the college visit, and David Chasers was like, he's gotta kill him. It's like, and it makes you realize how groundbreaking that show was. There had been nothing like this where the main character is just a cold-blooded murderer. Kramer never killed anybody. Ah.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Or what's his name? He killed his career. One of the friends. Yeah. Yeah. His career. Can you imagine that, what he did? You shouldn't do that.
Starting point is 01:18:24 I mean, yeah, but could you imagine that? I mean, this guy seriously had an incredible, incredible. Brilliant comedic actor. Oh yeah. I mean, that's one of the greatest sitcom actors ever. Totally. We should get his career up on the wall. Get a full-length career.
Starting point is 01:18:39 You should have him up. He was a bully. Yeah. I mean, just incredible. He didn't think there would be a phone camera. That was when phone cameras were brand new. That's right. So that's what got him.
Starting point is 01:18:48 He was the first phone camera cancellation. Totally. Come on, but just to do that was insane. Yeah, I mean, you shouldn't do it regardless of technology. You know, like he... That was a good bit. But I read his book, and he kind of apologized, but not apologized.
Starting point is 01:19:02 More N words than Huck Finn. No, all right. He's not that apologetic. Whose book is that? Who do we have there? Steve-O, we got Odenko Offerman, Segura, Stan Hope. You're going to- Stan Hope worked for me in Vegas.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Oh, I'll let go. He lived in Vegas. Oh, wow. That's how I helped start him. I got him on Evening at the Emperor. We love Doug, man. In the old days. Doug's a classic.
Starting point is 01:19:24 He does his own thing. Oh yeah. He does it his way and his own thing, that's for sure. Not for everybody, but a brilliant guy. Where does he live? Out in Arizona. Bisbee, Arizona. What's that?
Starting point is 01:19:33 We had him on here one night and I did not expect Doug, God bless him, he showed up loaded at like, what, noon? Noon, 12.30. And then he said, I'm gonna come by the cellar tonight. We're like, yeah, right. And 7 p.m., I got a text. He goes, I'm here.
Starting point is 01:19:47 Hung with him till 2 a.m., had a great night, man. He's a good driver. I love Doug. Yeah, I haven't seen him in a long time. He did very well for himself. Well, tell us where you're gonna be with, you know. Sony Hall, August 16th. There you go, look at that.
Starting point is 01:20:00 A little show with the Sopranos. No smiles. You're a Soprano fan, you're gonna like that. Look at the hair on you guys, it's phenomenal. The Italian hair really stays in there. Well, not on him, but yeah. You know, we went to, Jim was like the Bacchus at the Mardi Gras one year.
Starting point is 01:20:18 Yeah. And we all went down there and we had a good time, but we went to that, what's it, Moscone's? The place on the outskirts of town, they said Al Capone, you stayed there, they hosted us. You never ate there? Were you from New Orleans? Yeah, but I wasn't allowed there.
Starting point is 01:20:33 Oh really? Moscone's, pull that up. I was wondering if you. It was good? It was good, it was good. It's like a famous place. I was wondering if you had ever been there. They were very nice people.
Starting point is 01:20:44 I think it's the same family it was called my sconeys it's uh it's in New Orleans huh I think it's called my school nice doesn't ring a bell my mom's a big Italian foodie lady I think it's like the most famous Italian restaurant down there what do I know Oh Metairie that's why most sconey yeah I never went to Metairie that was like the most famous Italian restaurant down there. What do I know? Oh, Metairie That's why most Coney. Yeah, I never went to Metairie. That was like the Long Island of oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't go out there Well Metairie Yeah, no, okay, it's not the same We're gonna be
Starting point is 01:21:26 Mosca's that I've heard of. I know, there you go. It was a long time ago. You made it more Italian. You guys are getting drunk all day. When I was your age, that's what I used to do. All right, good. Unfortunately, enjoy yourselves. I wish I could still do it.
Starting point is 01:21:39 Yeah. What would you drink? I would drink tequila. I still drink, but not like that. I would drink tequila. I still drink, but not like that. I would drink tequila, chilled it up, patrol him. I was hungover the other day, it lasted two days. I can't deal with the hangover anymore. That's the problem.
Starting point is 01:21:54 It's fucked up. I can't deal with it, that's the problem. Not the going out part. Sure. It's the fucking aftermath. Yeah, here, here. I used to be able to bounce right back. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:04 What about a little nose candy? I think in Vegas one time, I counted, I went out 70 something to bounce right back. Oh yeah, what about a little nose candy? I think in Vegas one time I counted, I went out 70 something nights in a row. Jesus! 70 nights in a row, like I lived nocturnally for a long time there, like working in the clubs. I worked one at night to nine in the morning, or 11 to seven, and then go out.
Starting point is 01:22:22 So it was places that like you go at one in the afternoon, they're absolutely packed. You can't see your hand in front of your face. Right? It's that dark. And so I would get home 12, one, two o'clock and go to bed, wake up, and say I'm not fucking going out, that it yeah done yeah I had said I'm going right to bed then like about you know midnight or whatever time 12 2 o'clock
Starting point is 01:22:51 in the morning you start you know why I kind of feeling all right yes do it again toward my life little nose candy do it again little blow a little yam yam no I'm saying that that doesn't hurt out there in the desert, if you know what I mean. Two day hangover, you're still doing it. Good for you. Just say if you need to pick me up. These are your dates, Mark.
Starting point is 01:23:14 All right, hey, I'm in New Brunswick, New Jersey. That's almost sold out. Then we got Ithaca, we got Reykjavik. I'm going to the UK and all that good stuff. London, whatever, Rochester, Portchester, Albany. I'm staying on the UK and all that good stuff London, whatever Rochester, Portchester, Albany I'm staying on the East Coast. Oh, there we go. Wisconsin Green Bay Eugene come on out and Then we're going to Australia. So we'd love to have you out there Sydney Brisbane, Adelaide you name it
Starting point is 01:23:41 Second time I fucking love Australia Australia we went I told Australia, have you, this your first time? Second time, I fucking love Australia. I went to Australia, we went. I always say Australia's the best America in the 80s. I got Phoenix, Arizona, we got San Diego, Sacramento, SF, Portland, added a late show on a Monday, please come out, Seattle, Vancouver, we added a late show, so please come to that,
Starting point is 01:23:57 and then we got Boise, Idaho, and Denver, Colorado, and I just added Montclair, New Jersey, the Wellmont, July 11th, and the 12th,clair, New Jersey, the Wellmont, July 11th, and the 12th Red Bank, New Jersey, Count Basie, and then in August we're adding, I think, a few at the Wilbur, so. See you guys out there, love it. And, you know, great.
Starting point is 01:24:17 I just mentioned Montclair, that's what I told you. I know, I don't think we talked about it. We played the Wellmont, we played Count Basie, it's great. Nah, it's a great one. I'm excited. Well. In Australia I've done. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:24:26 Australia's great. I liked Australia. Love Australia. You guys are out there, man. We're out there, man. You're making me tired, just think about that. Ha ha. It was great, we never really talked.
Starting point is 01:24:34 No, it's the most I've ever spoken to. Great to meet you. I know I'm not a comic, so I'm not gonna take my shirt off and all that. Ha ha ha. We're happy about that. But it's the best I can do for you. Keep it on. It was awesome, man, thanks for coming by,. Best I could do for you. Keep it on.
Starting point is 01:24:45 It was awesome man, thanks for coming by Steve. I'm glad he does it either. My pleasure. All right, comedy. Sunday's the day for my next offender. I bit a Peaver rec, he know the future's close. I've had a little too much bourbon, and Norman's talking shit about the fucking Pope,
Starting point is 01:25:03 and I get down in the same way Up on the roof like a cop's coming And naked Samuel is feeling dangerous I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans This woman doesn't look like I remember her And I get down in the same way We might be true

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