We Might Be Drunk - Ep 232: Ed Helms SNAFU

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Tonight on We Might Be Drunk, Mark and Sam are joined by the always hilarious Ed Helms! They dive into comedy myths, Midtown memories, and the unexpected inspiration behind his new book SNAFU. From joining The Office to Cold War nuclear schemes and wild Vegas tales, this episode is packed with sharp wit and surprising turns. Ed also opens up about health, humor, and why cast chemistry is everything in a comedy. Grab a drink and get weird with us. 📘 Buy Ed’s book SNAFU: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/ed-helms/snafu/9781538769478/ 🎧 Listen to the SNAFU podcast: https://snafumedia.com/ Support the show and our sponsors: 👕 Get 20% off your 1st Sheath order with code DRUNK at https://www.sheathunderwear.com 💊 Start your free online Hims visit today at https://www.hims.com/DRUNK 🏆 Get a 7-Day Free Trial + 50% Off your first month of Hall of Fame with code DRUNK. Download the HOF app on iOS or Android, enter the code and you’re all set. 💸 Cancel unwanted subscriptions and manage your money at https://www.rocketmoney.com/DRUNK Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD WMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ WMBD Clips Page: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: YouTube Channel: @sammorril Instagram: https://instagram.com/sammorril Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: YouTube Channel: @marknormand Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marknormand Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets We Might Be Drunk is produced by Gotham Production Studios https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com/ @GothamProductionStudios Producer Matt Peters: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #EdHelms #SNAFU #MarkNormand #SamMorril #ComedyPodcast #TheOffice #RocketMoney #SheathUnderwear #Hims #HallOfFameApp #PodcastRecommendations #DrinkResponsibly #FunnyPodcast #ColdWarHistory #NYCComedy

I'm gonna go ahead and get started up. Let's roll. How about you and you like the booze. Nah. Come on. I mean I love I used to like it and it does weird things to my- to my heart. Oh really. Yeah yeah I think it's bad for you just I just kind of stopped it kind of sets my heart in weird

Rhythms and oh geez. Yeah, so you just stick with cocaine. Yeah, I Drink cocaine Super weird, but it's great. I wonder if that would work if you mixed it in like a like a liquid IV You know if that would get you know, one's ever wanted to waste that much cocaine. I guess What I do is I melt it, see? And then I get it in a syringe, and I inject it into my eyeball. Is that free-basing? No.

That's where you smoke it. It's free-balling. That's what I mean. Free-balling. This is the nerdiest drug conversation ever. I know. Is that what free-basing is? I don't know what it is.

This is like those conversations a kid has with their dad, where it's like, where the dad's like, now listen, I want you to do the coke, the thing that you snort. Yeah. You're just like, dad, you don't snort marijuana. Yeah. How do you know?

You already know too much. You gotta test your weed, it's fettin' all in it. And you're like, dad. Did people always try to do a shot with you after the hangover? Oh man, yeah, I mean that was, hangover fans like to drink. Yeah. I'll put it that way. So when that movie came out it was a lot of like, we're buying you shots!

And they'd like shove a shot in your face and if you didn't drink it, you could get punched. Yeah, isn't that weird? They get really upset if you don't drink it. You're like, I never asked for this. Most of the time, I was happy to oblige. Yeah. Yeah, till the heart failure.

Yeah, till things got weird. We have a friend, Joe DeRosa, who I feel like likes funerals because you can't turn down the shot. Because you can't be like, to Dave, you gotta be like, all right, fine. Yeah, he actually goes to funerals he doesn't know. Yeah, he's a funeral crasher.

Yes, hey, sequel. Right. That's not bad. But yeah, I feel like old school fans, hangover fans, I feel like they wanna do a shot with, you know. Yeah. Office fans are like, let's have a craft brew. Right.

Let's have a nice conversation over a craft brew. That's cool. I'm down for that. Amen. I feel like the hangover, it was 2008, 2011, and 2013. The three trilogy. I think you're off a little bit. Pull that up there, Fanny.

Wasn't it like 2010 or 11, the first one? But I feel like that was the last run for the fun love and comedy movie and you got in I think hot tub time machine was like the last one that was it right I feel like it kind of cut off around there but you guys got him in at the buzzer and they were not that one in there yeah and they were all great I say hangover is one of the last comedy I remember seeing in the theater it's oh nine was the first one. 11. Is that right? I mean, did Bridesmaids come after Hangover?

Yeah. Bridesmaids. I saw that in the theater. But how many comedies can you remember like? Tropic Thunder. That's, was that before? Yeah. I think it was a little later.

I think it was before. Oh really? I think Tropic Thunder was before. But there's something about it, I guess like live shows of, you know, thank God for us, cause we tour all the time and we, people come out to see standup, but I mean, I feel like back in the day, like,

it was great to see a comedy in a packed theater. Oh man, I remember, we're like sort of Midtown West here, right, in this? Yeah. So I remember when I lived here, going to see something about Mary. Oh! Because I was such a huge Ben Stiller fan

from the Ben Stiller show, and I was, you know, it was early. What year was that? Pull that one up. 94, I'm calling it. No, no, no, no. 96. Okay, 98, so I just, I moved here in 96.

I'd just been here for two years, just struggling to get those open mic spots and doing as much comedy as I could. And I loved Mr. Show and the Ben Stiller Show and all those great shows. And they're like, Ben Stiller's in a movie? Oh my God. And I went by myself.

And it was in this neighborhood. Because for some reason, I lived in Brooklyn, but this was where maybe it was, I snuck out of work or something, and I sat in this packed theater by myself, and it was like one of the best movie going experiences ever because I loved that movie. When I first saw it, I was crying in the theater,

sitting by myself between like you know it was packed Yeah, because that's when theaters were packed when a movie came out and people were excited like they packed theaters Oh, yeah And it was real that was back when water cooler talk everybody was talking about the the jizz and the hair and the pranks and beans and the Like the Brett Favre of it all mm- was a hell of a time. Matt Dillon, such a killer in that movie. And it's all killers, like Lee Evans kills it, and Chris Elliott, like everyone's amazing.

But yeah, but Matt Dillon. He stole it with a forehead like a drive-in movie. There we go. It's also amazing, because I saw, we were on the road once, we downloaded, I guess, the extended version of it, and the scenes they chose to cut were exactly right. Like they just-

Oh, interesting. They just kind of disrupted the momentum. It was one of those things where they just, they nailed it. Yeah, that's good. That's reassuring when that happens. Yeah. Well, you know, some comedies they- They don't nail it.

I love a tight comedy. I love a 90 minute comedy. You gotta keep it tight. I remember when we were shooting those hangovers and we'd be shooting scenes like that might, we should shoot out a sequence, but we'd be doing the scenes that are towards the end of the movie and Todd Phillips,

the director, was always just like, faster guys, faster. We're like, we're just trying to get the lines out. He's like, it's the end of the movie. It's the race to the finish, which was as he kept saying, it's the race to the finish, which I think he said was something that Ivan Reitman told him. It was like a critical sort of comedy thing.

When you're making a comedy, that third act, it's just like a guns blaze. You gotta go. You can't go Irishman on a comedy. You know, you gotta keep it tight. I mean, it's like. They're just old in a guns blaze. You gotta go. You can't go Irishman on a comedy. You know, you gotta keep it tight. I mean, they're just old in a prison, dying. Isn't that funny? Although that scene where he beat up the guy

was pretty good. That was pretty funny. But yeah. He did not look young. Seinfeld too, you know, they were like, here's a Brinks truck full of money, make eight more seasons. And he's like, now we're cutting it here.

The show's over, it's all about timing. You gotta know when to wrap it up. Yeah, it's, Hangover, You gotta know when to wrap it up. Yeah, it's... Hangover, did you know when you're making that, you're like, this is really good? I think we knew that we were having like an unprecedented amount of fun. And so we all felt like we were onto something.

There's never, at that point, none of us were very well known, so there was no sense that like, oh, this is gonna be a hit. But we definitely knew we were making something that we were gonna love and be proud of, and we would hope people would see it. And honestly, I think that energy is what, that's like, like anything, I think that carries projects,

is like when you can I think that carries projects, is like when you can feel that the team involved, whether it's the cast and sometimes the crew and everybody is like, when you can feel that they're psyched, it doesn't matter if it's a comedy or a drama or an action movie, when you can feel the cast, I would say the same thing about The Office. Like, everybody on The Office loved The Office and loved making it and loved being in

that conference room together and cracking each other up. And that, I think, is like this intangible magic that makes the product good. And it's like that love that a cast brings to something is what sort of opens the door for an audience to feel that way. You can feel it in like those Seth Rogen, Franco movies. They're actual friends, you can feel them, not anymore.

But they're actual friends and you can feel it in the movie for sure. This is the end? Yes, Pineapple Express. Yeah, I love those movies. They're so good. I was like a crazy stretch like we really took for granted I was sick a couple weeks ago, and I love you man just came on. I was like oh shit. This is funny Yeah, I forgot these are just all funny. Oh my god Sandberg in that movie. Yeah, it's just he's great We used to have comedies. It was like I mean that was but that was like a crazy amount of hit comedies at once

Yeah, like forgetting Sir Marshall was on to I was like this is hilarious Isn't that weird cuz my agents always like comedies don't play well in theaters now and you're like But that's what's supposed to be a theater comedy and horror great for theater or for movie theaters Yeah, should be where are still hits or hits but you know, they say comedy in a movie theater is no go anymore which is insane because you would think like movie theaters no go anymore. Which is insane because you would think like, like comedy clubs are a thing because people like to laugh together.

Yes. I think that's what, I think that might be hurting it. Is how many live acts are on the road right now. I think people are like, yeah, I'll just go see this live show. Wait, was it? I think there's so many live shows in any city at a given time that they're like,

instead of going, and there aren't that many comedies being made, so I think those two combined, how many comedies are in the theater, first off, and then secondly, like, oh, there's eight comedians doing a show, there's all these comedy clubs, they're theater act comics, you know? And at a comedy club, you're gonna get the Elon Musk jokes, you're gonna get the Trump jokes, you're gonna get that,

I think people are craving that, because the news is so bonkers. Yeah, and you're not gonna get that with a comedy movie yeah it's just a movie about a lady who's autistic and okay or whatever all right yeah we hope it comes back we were we're trying to make a movie right now we we want comedies and I love seeing a comedy movie in a theater oh yeah especially a black theater yes nothing better saw American Pie in a black theater and that was that added an element popcorn flying riffin you know their own jokes it was

great I saw 12 years a slave in a white theater not a good oh boy wasn't good when you're on the office we were talking about that before Matt and I were talking about that before you came here about how you showed up with season 3 right correct yeah that's a hard thing to be the guy who shows up and becomes a fan favorite. I think about like Married with Children and when Jefferson showed up and people wanted to hate that guy.

You know what I mean? I know it's a different show, but I think that guy was great on Married with Children. Ted McGinley? Yeah, he's hilarious. Yeah, he was in a bunch of comedies. But yeah, you're kind of like the enemy of Dwight. You show up and you become like,

you just embrace it, man, it's great. Tough shoes. Yeah, you know, it was, there was something about that moment where the show had decided to kind of bounce Jim over to this Stamford branch. And so that obviously needed a cast. It wasn't, we weren't introduced as an intrusion

into Dunder Mifflin. We were sort of introduced as this kind of satellite thing. And I think that made it easier for fans to sort of digest. And then I'll also, I would also just share that that the cast and the writers and the whole sort of office community, when we showed up, and when I say we, I mean Chip Estley, who played our boss there in the,

in the Stanford branch, and Rashida, you know, when we showed up as these new characters, there in the Stanford branch and Rashida. When we showed up as these new characters, we were so embraced by the cast. And everyone, I think there are situations where cast members can feel threatened by new people or there could be sort of bad mojo or bad energy. Hold on, we're just a czar show.

But there was none of that. And the writers were so excited to welcome us. And again, that's the energy that we're feeling, and the cast is bringing, and audiences feel that too. I think all of that sort of comes through the screen. And it made it so much easier. I felt like we just landed in this nice warm basket. Yeah.

It was amazing. I mean the show is just never not on. My wife watches it to fall asleep. No offense, that sounds bad. But like it's just such a. It's a comfortable watch. It is. Yeah.

Now wait, I didn't know you did stand up. I'm an idiot. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. In New York. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Was that the the entrance to comedy? That was that was the on ramp. Wow. Yeah, because I, you know, like everybody else, I wanted to be on Saturday Night Live or, you know, something like that.

And and so I moved here right after college. Beyond Saturday Night Live or you know something like that and And so I moved here right after college. I went to college in Ohio, and I moved here and Almost right away just started I mean at that time I Don't even think the internet was much of a thing this was like 97 so there was internet, but it was like I found all the holy shit so that was my that's when I that was my big appearance on you look like Dwight here this is right oh you made baggy jeans yeah you made it to TV so this is you got there yeah well when was Daily Show? When did that start that started 2002? That's for me

Yeah, that cast that you were on is like that's like the 70s SNL cast before the oh wow That's a crazy cast. We're talking John Oliver or was that a pre? Oh, no Very pre John when I started Louis black Black? Well actually when I first started, Steve Carell was still on it. Oh, wow. Yeah, so. There it is. So we overlapped.

There's a cast photo from that time. Might be that big one there. Yeah, that's the one. Did that have anything to do with you getting on the office or just a coincidence? It all helps. Yeah, I think it's all. But that's the one that I was.

Wait, zoom in on it. was like right when I started. So you had Louis Black, Mo Rocca, Colbert, Correll, Nancy Walls. Oh yeah. I had a thing for her. Rob Cordray, obviously, and DeCario. Ah. Right?

Wow. And Attell was on like right before that, right? Yeah, there were. Wow. Yeah. I think Vance DeGeneres was also I overlapped with for a minute. A. Whitney Brown. Oh, yeah. Who had been on Saturday Night Live and was on this was on The Daily Show. Got so white. Isn't that wild? It's a different time. It is very well very very much so

Like a diner in the 50s, but I think that's two that's around 2000 that must be 2002 yeah, I was right when I started I couldn't be More thrilled to be in that photo. I remember that I just was like I can't believe I'm sitting here with these people. I remember Colbert and Correll with that Stephen versus Stephen, that was like a crazy era of just, yeah, really funny. So much talent there. But then after that, it pared down to this.

Then there was a good two years where it was just Sam B., Rob Cordray, Stephen Colbert, and me as the four correspondents. Was that scary, because they kept whittling down? It was like a reality show, you get eliminated. It was thrilling. I mean, we were so busy. That was also a time when we just did

field pieces relentlessly. And that's honestly what kind of crushed New York for me. I was in and out of the city so much on the basic cable budget travel. So it was like La Quinta ends on, you know, Southwest Airlines to Homer, Alaska, or like all over the country in and out of New York City airports, which if you do constantly, because the New York City airports, which if you do constantly, because the New York City airports are hard to get to. Yeah, we know.

Like, we're on the road every week. It's just, it's crushing. It's crushing. Over time. Yeah, making those flights, security, the terminal, what's C to my N, it's brutal. Oh, and you get sick all the time. Yeah, I think about the early years of the road

and how grueling they were that now when you have any comfort in travel, I'm like, this is incredible. You really don't take anything for granted. Yeah. But it was a heady days. Yeah, but you did it. You did the stand up, you got the premium blend,

then you got the Daily Show. This is like a textbook career here. Yeah, and there was a lot of improv mixed in there. OK. After about three years of grinding and stand up, the Upright Citizens Brigade was emerging. I remember. And I was like, I want to join that crowd.

They're doing really cool stuff. So I did that, and it was kind of a mix there. Wow. Man, what a career, what a run. That is wild. Yeah. Do you remember any old bits? Old stand up bits? Yeah, give me like your big A, foolproof, bulletproof,

never failed zinger. Let's see. No N word, please. Let's see. No N-word, please. Gotta keep it clean. So this is one that was pretty reliable. There was an ad for, I think like American Airlines at the time, and the slogan was, the way you'd run an airline.

And I was like, the way I'd run an airline. I don't know how to fly a plane. I don't know, you'd get on an airplane and be like, ladies and gentlemen, I gotta be honest with you, I have no idea how to fly this plane. Is it cool if we just drive to Phoenix? Just so you know, you'll all be getting lap dances in about five minutes and yeah, just on and on.

That's great. That's cool. Wow. Do you feel like your voice as a standup is similar to the characters you play in movies and stuff? Maybe a little bit of, maybe a little bit like Andy Bernard. You know, one of my big influences was Brian Regan.

So the way that Brian would, the way I loved Brian's, and Gaffigan does this a lot too, they kind of play idiot versions of themselves. So they'll set up a story, and then they'll kind of play themselves as the adult in the story, and their voice changes a little bit.

And so I kind of took after that. Like that was, I just loved that type of joke writing and storytelling. And so yeah, that voice that I would take on as the sort of idiot version of myself may have kind of crept into Andy Bernard a bit. But otherwise, no, I don't think so like Stu you still have like stand-up thoughts oh yeah yeah for sure we do a thing like called working on any bits yeah I got a whole list oh

man phone yeah yeah I keep it going can we talk about something sure yeah I I do I still do stand up occasionally like at Mostly at Largo in LA sure but um Yeah, you wanna see oh, here's give you a dry run on a couple of things. Oh by the way check out the book snafu Oh, yeah, I want to talk about the book sorry guys. I'm on my book tour for God I got the book here. I'm telling you my dumb jokes that I put no thought into. I've just put it a little, meanwhile, I spent years pouring my heart into this book.

We can do both. We can do both. All right. You wanna do book first? You wanna do stand up first. Let's talk book. Let's tease the stand up. Okay, tease.

And talk book. It's an awesome idea for a book. It's really cool, man. It's spun out of my podcast. I started a podcast a couple years ago called Snafu, and it's really, really, I'm insanely proud of it. There are three seasons out now. Each season is like a deep dive.

It's like a heavily, like immersive audio production into one major historical snafu. A snafu being a disaster. Is it a? It's an acronym. Acronym, sorry. Something fucked up? Yeah, situation normal, all fucked up.

Yeah. Oh, it's like FUBAR. Exactly, yeah. With FUBU. Yeah. FUBAR, fucked up beyondUBAR. Exactly, yeah. With FUBU, yeah. FUBAR, fucked up beyond all recognition. Exactly. And so the podcast was just this sort of marriage

of my kind of nerdy love of history with, well like what's funny about history? Well obviously the screw ups are funny. And so we built this great team. We've got I've got a bunch of researchers that help out with the podcast and help put it together, audio producers. And and then also we just had a flood of ideas. And I was like, I'm putting this in a book.

And the book is is different from the podcast in that it's a book and not a podcast, but it's different because it's just basically a compendium of snafus as opposed to like a deep dive into one thing. So every chapter, there's 31 chapters and they're all different. Each one's a different snafu.

So it's perfect for it to just like pick up at the beach and open up anywhere and just read all different. Each one's a different snafu. It's perfect for it to just like pick up at the beach and open up anywhere and just read a chapter. Can you tease a snafu for us? Oh, hell yeah. What's a great snafu? There's so many great ones. So it's divided into decades, 50s to the present. And let's see.

Gotta be a lot of military snafus. Yeah, it's a lot of like CIA, FBI, one of my all time favorites. Pearl Harbor, that was a snafu. Big snafu. No, but actually you bring up a good point. So you're not gonna find a lot of things in the book that you've heard of.

So that was part of my like curatorial decision was to kind of like not do World War II. But or like the Titanic, it's more kind of obscure stuff. So- So funny to think of the Titanic as a snafu. Yeah. Whoops. Whoopsie.

Wow. So let's see, in the 1950s, the Cold War is heating up. The Soviets and America are both trying to flex nuclear power, right? So somebody in the CIA gets this brilliant idea, maybe we can shoot a nuclear missile at the moon and detonate a nuclear explosion on the moon, the Soviets will see it

and they'll be shaking in their boots, right? Because they'll be so rattled that we have the firepower to hit the moon with a nuclear weapon. That's the movie premise. Well. Strange love shit. It is, it's literally strange love.

And there's a lot of stuff. Like I'll tell you more, it's like very strange love level stuff. A lot of this stuff feels like it was written by comedy writers. But it is sadly real. And Carl Sagan, when he was right out of grad school, worked on this particular project.

They eventually realized, you know what? It's probably not a good idea because if anything goes wrong, if we miscalculated at all, it's very probable that the missile could slingshot around the moon and come back and hit the earth. It was, they also realized that it really probably wouldn't even be visible from the earth. You know, the thinking being, it'd just be like

a little dust cloud or something. Right. But just the idea of nuking the moon and like getting as far as they did is absolutely insane. There's a there's another great story about. Let's see. Oh, the CIA tried to basically weaponize cats. So so everyone knows cats cats can hear really well

because their ears are kind of that cup shape and they can turn, they're directional. So someone hatched the brilliant idea to surgically implant microphones into cats' ears and then train the cats to go and sit next to bad guys in the park so you could listen in and do your espionage. Yeah. Just scratching sex offenders in the park.

Yeah. Every villain has the cat on the lap. You know all the info. I guess so, but what they failed to take into account is that it's real hard to train a cat to do pretty much anything. So there's no cat in the police or the fire department. Yeah there are canine units. Exactly.

Drugs sniffing dogs. Yep. I get nervous when I see them at the airport even though I don't have drugs on me. Same. I get uncomfortable. Yeah. You gotta do that walk and they let the dog sniff you. You're like, how do you know where I've been?

You know, I could have been a bit of a party last year. Yeah. But yeah, that's great. It feels very male. I feel like there's a woman, one woman in the room. She'd be like, wait, wait, shooting a rocket at the moon. Come on, fellas. I think you're 100 percent right.

I totally agree with you. And it does like there there's another I get into all the ways that the CIA tried to assassinate Fidel Castro, or explored different possibilities. A lot of snaps of this, yeah. There were, yeah, that was one of them. But there were over 630 plans. 630, what's the weirdest one?

Well, the weirdest one. Cats. They tried to train a cat to bite his face off. They... It was a sloped roof. The weirdest one. Okay, so they tried to hatch a plan where someone would put thallium salts into his shoes. This is a particular kind of toxin to humans that makes your hair fall out. And the thinking was that if they can get Fidel Castro's

beard to fall out of his face, then he will lose his manhood and lose his leadership over Cuba. Right. Which is so loony-tuned. It's like how many steps? But this was explored and even it got to the stage of almost attempting.

And when you look at the list of ideas and you start to think about how absurd they are and how crazy they are, it really does feel like a comedy writer's room. Totally. Like sitting around just pitching the dumbest shit. That's where they needed Doge to go in like look up. Yeah fucked up wacky ideas We're gonna get his beard out. That'll kill us. Yeah, go I

Remember I'm hearing something a long time ago about a che Guevara the doctor said you you got to only do two cigars a day Cuz it's it's killing you and he was she just started smoking cigars like this long Yeah, damn a cool move. Damn, that's great. I had a baby recently. That was a snafu. But this is great. I can't wait.

This is interesting stuff. This could be a movie or like a TV show. Oh, a lot of them could be movies. Or a series, like many series. Yeah. I mean, you do a podcast. Or it could be like a History of the World type movie. Yes.

Like Mel Brooks style. Yeah. Just do all of them in one movie. Totally. All right, well get the book, folks. Check it out. And check out the pod. Snafu.

What's the best place for people to buy it? Basically, today is, well, I don't know when this'll air, but today is publication day. It's anywhere you get your books. And a really easy place to go is just snafu-book.com. I also did the audiobook. I read every single word. Wow.

Was that exhausting? It kind of took a long time. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta do it in chunks. Just so you don't hate yourself. Yeah. All right. Did you ever think you'd write a book?

No. I didn't, I started, I guess a few years ago, I started to think, I got some funny ideas. I got some fun stuff to say, and it started to become this possibility. And also like, my agent was kind of like, hey, you can write a book. You ever think about writing a book?

I'm like, all right, cause you know, people write books and it's, it can be a fun outlet and just another creative outlet so it didn't have an organizing principle for it I didn't have there wasn't a spark until I started working on snafu the podcast and I was like pretty early on I was like there's there's a book in here like something's gonna come out of this in book form. And here it is. You think Hitler's agent did that? Like, you're doing so great. Write a book. And he's like, I already did.

No one. I'm doing water. I've been doing watercolors. Nobody likes those. All right. Come on. Give me one bit, Helms. Give me something.

All right. And you seem pretty like a clean comic. Were you clean um I? Mean I said bad words, but no you weren't Well you he also said gaffigan and Regan. That's why you're thinking clean, right? Yeah, yeah, I think I yeah I was generally I did a bunch of like I Did like some corporate shows and college gigs and stuff and I was yeah It's generally pretty clean when you did, they send you out with other comics?

Oh yeah, yeah. Who'd you go out with? I did a really crazy tour once with Christian Finnegan. Oh nice. And Doug Stanhope. Wow. Yeah. Not the three I would have envisioned.

Yeah, well it was. We love Doug. Oh, Doug's, what a just wild character. That one was crazy. We went to I remember we had to stop at Ohio University I think or no it was the University of Ohio and it was Parents Weekend and if there's anybody you don't want on stage during Parents Weekend at your college, it's Doug Stanton. That's true.

Especially in the Midwest, in a conservative area like Ohio, so he gets on stage and he had, at the time he was doing a lot of material that was kind of like Christian baiting. Oh yeah. Like just kind of nitpicking things in the Bible and this and that. And some parents stood up and started to leave, or some audience people started to leave.

And one dad stood up and started to heckle him, but it really turned into this theological debate. And never debate Doug Stanhope on theology or anything. Because he's just dialed. He's got it all and he's relentless. And he's quick. Yeah, he's so fast and he has a microphone.

People should know, you shouldn't argue with comedians because they have microphones. Yes. That's always a trump card And here's one of my favorite lines We he I said it when he did our pod, but when he said when I do comedy It's like taking you into war. You're not all gonna be here at the end. I Love that. Yeah also has a book. I believe I think a couple books. Geez if Doug can write a book Yeah, we gotta get to work. He's in Bisbee, Arizona

He's not sure every night. That's true. Oh, there we go. That's a good pic. Oh, yeah How recent is that? It's not too long ago. Yeah, it's awesome. Still cold out I would say I would guess this that the tour that I'm talking about was over 20 years ago. Oh, wow like 2002 wow something like that damn boy Damn. Boy, you've lived. Yeah. Oh, I've had a life, boys. And you're 51. You look amazing.

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And uh. And you're eating it four in the morning, a piece of that. And you're eating the worst shit. Yeah. If you, and so when I stopped drinking, I just kind of, without realizing it, or without any conscious effort,

I was just eating less and better. I didn't know you could, I knew you were sober. Yeah, well I'm not, just cause of the heart stuff. Oh right, right, right, right, right, right. Damn, so what are you, an edible guy? What are you, you gotta have a vice. I know, I'm kinda searching for a vice. Killing hookers?

I don't. Gambling? What'd you say, ambient? No, I said gambling, but I didn't know if he was gonna throw throw killing hookers before really He heightened you yeah, I had it coming out as he said I was like all gambling's not that bad Do both in Vegas I've tried both they don't do it for me

That was like to kill a hooker and you're like, yeah not for me Thing yeah, I've tried getting to gambling but I just lose every time so it's I can't get into it because I never win I don't enjoy I don't enjoy winning as much as I hate losing in gambling. Yes, so by what I think you're right I'll do I can do sports betting I'll do like this in my phone and I still enjoy the game even if I lose, what I do is I bet on the Knicks and I'm just like, all right, if they lose, I'll be mad anyway, so who cares if I lose some money.

But if I'm playing like Blackjack and I lose a few hundred, I'm just like fucking angry. Yeah. Same. If I win, I'm just like, whatever. I think, you know, we spent so much time in Vegas on those hangover movies that I just got kind of bored of because we stayed at Caesar's Palace and I would just be like, Vegas on those hangover movies that I just got kind of bored

of because we were just in we stayed at Caesar's Palace and I would just be like you're like walking through the casino. You're working your ass off and any kind of like any feeling that like maybe some gambling would be fun. You just too exhausted and you're walking by it and then you get kind of like sick of the noise and the smells and the vibe, and you're like, I just don't wanna hang out in here. The other thing I realized though,

because I enjoyed playing blackjack, but I realized that you don't, that the whole idea of making money gambling is such a myth because you don't stop gambling until you lose. Yes. Right, so like, something clicked for me where I was just like, why do I never walk away from the table with money?

And I was like, because it's not fun until, or it's like, you don't have that tension until you're losing and you're getting angry. And then you're like, that's when you have to walk away. Exactly. When you're drunk and it's like four in the morning and you're just like, they're like, oh, we should leave. And you're like, all right, let me just throw it all

on this next thing. Yes. What the hell am I doing? I know, just check cash out. But that's too much work. It's interesting that you spend all that time in Vegas for the hangover, because you have to be kind of beaten down

by the end of that movie. And you are probably beaten down just from being in Vegas. Yes, yes. Well, there's a moment where Vegas gets sad. You know, first you get to Vegas, you're like, whoa, the lights are on, the noises, the money, and then after a while you're like, ah, this place is bumping, the respirator,

the guy with the limp, the lady and the rascal, there's too many sad things. And we were shooting in parts of Vegas that you don't go. People don't visit. And so we were getting a kind of sense of just, I don't know, yeah, not so much an underbelly, but just kind of not fun. These are parts of Vegas that are sort of like mundane city

and it's like hot and gritty. Yes, yes, and fat people. So many pigs. Oh boy. Can I ask about Todd Phil? Of course. The guy is like a phenom. And I've listened to so many interviews with him

where he hates the studio because they won't give him any money, they don't believe in him. Like he had to push for Galifianakis I heard and they were like we don't know this guy it's not good for the movie we're trying to sell tickets and he was like no no he's great and then of course he fucking killed it I mean they hate the I you say Caesar's Palace that line is like I think every time I see it is this with a real Caesar live yeah this is real Caesar's it And it even made Joker, and Joker was awesome.

We won't get into the sequel. But the guy is so great. Do you think he's appreciated yet? Does he have the respect? Gosh, I think so. I think so. I hope so. But look at how you're talking about it.

I feel like he's one of the greats. Yeah. I agree. And not just in comedy. He's like, I agree. And not just in comedy, like he's like, I don't know, I mean, I just am so indebted to Todd and I love the man so deeply, but I also, if I step back from that, I'm like,

he's like Sidney Pollock level. Oh yeah. He's like. I agree, old school road trip. It's that combination of a guy who has delivered movies for the fans and the studios make money. Which is like a rare... Broad comedies that are actually really good.

Yeah, and not just broad comedies. I mean, Joker too. For sure. These are huge movies and huge endeavors and just just, you know, creative, it's like you just pour your whole life into these things for years and he delivers. So you think he was obsessed with like the Blues Brothers,

the Animal Houses of the World, the Caddy Shet, was that his bread and butter as a kid? I would say yes, but he had the kind of, he had a little bit of a different, what am I trying to say? So yes, he totally got all those movies and he was very close with Ivan Reitman and Danny Goldberg who produced a bunch of, like Animal House and other movies. He produced The Hangover. Oh wow, I didn't know that. And so I think yes, all those movies informed Todd's comedy,

but what really set The Hangover apart at that time was that he didn't shoot The Hangover like a comedy. He had the foresight to really make the movie feel and look like a gritty, almost like a Western, or a mobster movie, or something like an action thriller. And that was the sort of aesthetic of the movie. You have a missing friend, like that is kind of dramatic. Yeah, and then, so the visual,

and then of course Larry Schur was the DP, and he's brilliant, and they're an unbelievable force of nature as collaborators. Larry also shot, he shot all three hangovers, he shot both Jokers and I think won an Oscar for the first one, right? Oh, probably. I think so, but anyway, Larry's a genius.

So they just kind of figured out, like if we shoot this comedy more like how Scorsese would shoot a movie or Casino, then it will heighten the comedy stakes so much more. And nobody had really done that until that moment. I think there was a lot that came after it that now when you look back at the Hangover, it might not feel that unique or the look might not feel that unique. But when it came back at the hangover, it might not feel that unique,

or the look might not feel that unique. But when it came out, it was like, I think that look really startled people in an exciting way. Yeah, it feels more legit. I mean, it's kinda like, is this Reitman or Landis? Like, what's the movie with Eddie Murphy? Trading Places. Oh, Landis, yeah.

That is like a real movie that happens to be hilarious. Yes, you're right. It looks like a movie. We were talking about what the 48 Hours the other day. Same thing, it's like a real movie that happens to be hilarious. Yes, you're right It looks like a yeah, we were talking about land is on eight hours the other day same thing. It's like a good That's not a comedy. That's funny. That's as a bear moment. Yeah, but Eddie Murphy's whole yes He has there's a couple of big funny set. Yeah, but But uh, but yes, I blew yes trading places is Is so funny and so legit looking. Yeah.

It's a good, it's a very grounded look for an extremely silly movie. Yes, exactly. Oh man, what else is like that? What are other movies that are like beautifully shot comedies? Coming to America looks pretty cool too. It looks like a real movie,

but I think that's Landis as well. Naked Gun? No. Ha ha ha ha. Great movie. Airplane? Yeah. Trying to think.

Yeah, I'm thinking like straight comedies though because there's others you think like action comedies don't count. That look good you're saying? Yeah. Well. McThunder was amazing. Yes, that's a good example.

That's a great one. You know what else I think is like that is the Holy Grail Monty Python's the Holy Grail, which Terry Gilliam directed and He did like 12 monkeys as well. Yeah. Yeah. Well if you watch Holy Grail like it's Grimy it's like yeah looks medieval like they really committed It's not like Camelot, you know, where everybody's like, everybody's in shiny nightclubs.

Like John Cleese I read would get so exasperated because whenever they were setting up shots, Terry Gilliam was just like, more mud, more mud. Everybody's gotta be more covered in mud. And it, I don't know, it heightens the comedy. Life of Brian is the same way. It looks like, it's like gritty Middle Eastern. Yeah.

It's like it looks like. Dusty. Samaria, you know, like ancient. Yeah, look at that, everyone's filthy. Yeah, they had a lot of mud on the bottom of those robes. Yeah. Now let's get to those. By the way, that's Terry right there.

Where? He's one of the, to the right of, he's one of the guys with the coconuts. Oh, really? That's Terry Gilliam to the- Oh, wow. The shorter one. Yeah.

Oh, wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. Okay. And those guys had a run. I just wanted to. Yeah, oh wow that's I didn't know that Yeah, okay Yeah, just pick a good one so we can really shit on you make you feel horrible about Just kidding so so This these are fragments right okay, okay. So this time that I was just walking through an airport and a fan came up to me and she was like, oh my god, I'm such a big fan, do you mind if I hug you?

And I said yes. And meaning like yes I mind. Yeah. Like I do have boundaries. Right. But she took it as like yes, hug me, and she just went for it You know there's something there You know gender thing yeah, I got it. I got it. I got a I got to set it up a little better also reminds

Me the Seinfeld Kesha. I know she couldn't believe it. It was like her brain malfunction like wait what I can't hug you I did kind of feel for in that moment. I did too, but I also loved every second Yeah, I love that he that he put the hand up. Yeah. Yeah, he's like hey, I never said you could hug me She couldn't believe it. It could be a fight with the wife to Just start hugging hot pop star point here comes Women I don't think hot women here know a lot No thanks. Please? No thanks.

No thanks. No thanks. No thanks. Yes, it sucks being rejected. I love that so much. That's the bad, you let us big chin in the back. Yes. Oh my God, that is it.

Look at that, he is bloated there. No thanks, no thanks with the hand up. Oh, so perfect. And she even tried like two more times. They were like, hey, hey, no means no, sister. Oh, Jer. It's his birthday today. Is it? more times you're like hey hey don't mean no sister. Oh dear. It's his birthday today is oh there's an L there's an ice cream place in LA that that's like it's like an ice cream shop

and it says it's homemade ice cream and I'm like what does that mean it's a store this this is no one's home right like is there unless you're sleeping in the back and and you're like like is this the back and you're like, do the people who work here live here in the store? Is there a nana working around the clock? Yeah, come on. How is this home?

Or do they make it in their apartments? Yeah. It's like when the restaurant says hand cut fries, and you're like, I don't care if you cut them. They cut? Good. I don't care. Somebody cut their hand

Or there's a bodega. It's like world famous bodega. You're like this will be gone in a year. There's a cat in here What are you talking then you get like famous raise? Yeah, it's original raise original raise. Yes, exactly It's a mess there's something to when I'm helping my kid with with her homework and Like I know the answer and it takes all of the restraint I have not to just be like, four times four is 16, 16, 16, it's just 16, just write 16. Like there's something in me that has to like prove I know these like a child's homework.

Yes, yes. Yeah, you'd be a bad teacher. Oh, I'd be terrible. Teachers, they have to guide. Most people you just wanna to be like nobody. What are you fucking dumb? Yeah? or like when my kid is reading and You know she's like still in learning phase of reading and you just she's like struggling with a word And you're just like it's pickle the word is pickle. It's just pickle and that's it's not that's not good parenting Right you have like when you're struggling at your therapist and their therapist knows the answer

Exactly I have that you ever throw on jeopardy, and it's the kids jeopardy. I'm like oh, I got this. I'm just like oh Cleveland Isosceles Fingerlings celebrity jeopardy is an easy one to That's a good one kids versus the celebs I like that Paris Hilton versus a four-year-old She gets crushed Premises and I like that you're still writing them down. Yeah, I had a

This is a fragment It's pickled. I think it turns into I think this would turn into one of those like Brian Regan type performances, but but I I've been accused of falling asleep with my eyes open and and and like snoring with my eyes Which is just an incredibly disturbing visual. This is a podcast or an audio medium, but just the idea of seeing someone in an airplane seat who's just like. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr know that they're doing like because you look awake right like why are you making that sound yeah yeah so disturbing you gotta put on sunglasses like at all times oh yeah or sleep mask do you do that really it's it's happened

that's why yeah it's a weird yeah that is creepy like I think I think I fall sleep my eyes closed but then they kind of like they they open a little bit just a little is like a sliver. You'll never get robbed, if you pass out on a park bench, you're like, ah, I got it. Yeah, but if I'm snoring, it's very confusing. That's what Cosby would look for, their eyes open, he's like, I'm innocent. Right.

Okay, these are solid, man. All right, thanks. I got a show tonight if you wanna pop on. All right, yeah, I'll open for ya. No, he's serious, he's got a comedy seller Yeah, um it's just ten minutes. That's awesome. I know press do it Are you doing a ton of press today? Yes? Yeah, I've been bouncing around I did What did I do? First I did the view and and I did a Cosby jokes there

Have a lot of fun what else oh And I did a Cosby jokes there What else oh What did I do Matt I am totally boy, oh yeah, it's three mats over there Yeah, it's just been it's a little bit of a whirlwind. No, yeah, we won't we won't keep you too long, but uh This is a good. This is like I got a nice comfy Bench, I've got coconut water. This bench is not comfy delightful company. I have a rotary phone It's very comforting pepsi very nostalgic Get the book folks get the book snafu, baby. Yeah

I'm really proud of it. I truly am like, kind of still can't believe that I wrote a book. Yeah. And it's funny. It's actually good. What's the secret? Do you sit there and go, I'm doing five pages tonight? Well, the nice thing about this book

is that it's not a novel. It's like each chapter is a sort of capsule episode. Yeah. And that I find very manageable. It's like each chapter is a sort of capsule episode. And that I find very manageable, like just doing these tiny chunks. Yeah, I don't know if I have a novel in me. That feels profoundly. It's always weird when you find out politicians

or someone have like a set like Stacey Abrams and the side hustle. Lots of novel. She just writes like a ton of books. Doesn't Jake Tapper write? Yeah, yeah. It's so weird. It's crazy like, she just writes like a ton of books. So like, Jake, doesn't Jake Tapper write? Yeah, it's so weird. It's crazy to me that you're just, you get off your new show and then you're like,

I'm gonna write a mystery. Yeah. It's insane to me. I assume they hate their spouse. Cause that's so time consuming to do TV. Like Bill O'Reilly has like 38 books or something. Whoa, who are you? Jake A. Rowling?

Who's the famous legal thriller writer? Grisham. Grisham. So he started out, he was a lawyer, and he started out waking up at like three in the morning just to, because he had these ideas and just to get these books out of himself. And then all of a sudden, you know, his publisher's like, you can quit your day job.

Wow. And he became one of the great thriller writers. Crazy. Yeah, I think it's either book writing or golf. Those are the two time-consuming adult activities. Or gardening. Gardening's big. Gardening's a big one.

When's your book coming out, guys? We got nothing. Oh, I don't believe it. Maybe when I'm like break my leg or something in a ski accident, I'll write a book. I'll turn into Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window. I'll break my leg and I'll spy on the neighbors. That's what I'm gonna do. It's a murder.

Yeah. The original true crime. Oh, are we wrapping? Yeah, buy Ed Helms' book, listen to his podcast. I'm gonna listen to Snafu too. I wanna hear this. Yeah, I'm excited to hear this man, and I need a new pod. Yeah Awesome, man. So Sam you have some dates here. Yeah, what do we got?

Rochester coming up Port Chester Albany wait is this me? Yeah. No, this is Mark. Oh, yep. It's Mark. Yeah I'm like, I don't think I'm going to Rochester or Port Chester this. All right, Mark start here June 6 I'm going to Rochester or Port Chester this soon. Alright Mark start here June 6th. I'm going to Rochester, Port Chester, Albany, Vermont Wisconsin Oregon San Jose, Hyannis Mass at the Melody Tent Mass Shantucket that's at the Foxwoods Casino Parks Casino in Bedsale, and then I'm off to Australia for a whole run of shows and then New Zealand

What do you got Sammy? When is this coming out 18th? Let me see what we got there. We go start Okay, so we got Red Bank, New Jersey, Count Basie theater the Wilbur in Boston in August and we got Irvine improv and Cali Oklahoma City love going to that club. It's really going Vegas. I'm doing the Venetian then we got busy We're busy right I am going to Rochester, but it's really good. Vegas, I'm doing the Venetian. Then we got. We're busy. We're busy. I am going to Rochester, but I'm not doing a theater. I'm doing a bunch of club dates at the club there. And then we got, yeah.

Oh, Chicago Theater's a fun one. October 4th, Salt Lake City and the big one, Carnegie Hall, baby, December 4th. So see you there. Buy Bodega Cat Whiskey. Yes. BodegaCatWhiskey.com, if you got a bar, hit us up. Buy Ed Helms books.

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Oh, yeah. It was once I got on The Daily Show, of course, like, and I got I was on TV. I had a TV gig. So like my, my stand-up booking options just exploded. Oh yeah. And, and I had a booker and she was like, yeah, you can do this, this big casino.

It was one of the ones in Connecticut, right? Yeah. I think it was Fox. Fox was the Mohegan Sun. The other one. It might've been Mohegan Sun. Okay. And, and I was like, amazing, this is so great.

And then I was so busy on the show that I didn't get the, I couldn't stay, I couldn't keep doing standup to practice for this like, my first like giant headlining gig at a casino, and I'll never forget, I had a really rough set. Because I also had like, almost never done like an hour before. And that was, or like 50 minutes,

whatever the required amount. Had a rough set the first night and I had like three nights to go. And the next morning there was like a little like Mohegan Sun newspaper that they put under everybody's door and they'd written, there was a review of my show It was like a rough night for a comedian Guys I got three more

Boy anyway that on stuff tickets. Yeah Awesome casinos are notoriously rough. They can be tough. Yeah, because there's no sound. It's like, it's just like a vacuum of... Yeah, and they just want people to gamble more. So you're just kind of like a holdoff till they, they, they watch your show, they hate themselves and then they gamble. And they hate themselves some more. That's true.

Well, thanks for listening guys. We'll see you next week. Thank you. Can I hug you? Get over here. Sunday's the day for my next offender. I've been a Peaver-ec, you know the future's close. I've had a little too much bourbon,

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