We Might Be Drunk - Ep 258: Judd Apatow

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

No better way to be back in the studio than with comedy legend Judd Apatow. Mark and Sam go deep on the road, European gigs, bombing at the clubs, and why some crowds just refuse to laugh. Judd talks Larry Sanders, Sandler stories, Rodney Dangerfield in a bathrobe, writing on The Critic, the legacy of Norm Macdonald, and what comedy still gets right. Plus, behind-the-scenes of classics like Anchorman, Bridesmaids, Pineapple Express, and what it actually takes to make a real, modern comedy movie. Sponsored by: For a limited time, get 40% off your entire order! Go to https://GetSoul.com and use the code WMBD. Go to https://sheath.com and use promo code Drunk for 20% off. Just click the link in the description or go to https://buyraycon.com/mightbedrunk to save on Raycon audio products sitewide. Eat smart at https://FactorMeals.com/drunk50off and use code drunk50off to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year. Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ Clips Channel: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets Produced by Gotham Production Studios: https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com Producer: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #MarkNormand #SamMorril #JuddApatow #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #BodegaCatWhiskey00:00 Back from Europe: Reunion & Travel Tales 03:00 Comedy Hangouts Abroad: Seinfeld & More 08:00 Crazy Tour Stories: Flights, Gigs, and Near Misses 13:00 Getting Sick on the Road & European Audiences 17:00 Crowd Differences: Stockholm to Amsterdam 22:00 Favorite Bars, Cities & Wild Nightlife Encounters 28:00 Weird European Habits & Cultural Clashes 33:00 Travel Peeves: ATMs, Coffee, Hotel Check-Ins 36:00 Planes, Trains & American Pride 40:00 Comedy Special Moments & Meeting Sandler 42:00 Judd Apatow Joins: Classic Comedy Stories 46:00 Rodney Dangerfield & Early Comedy Days 52:00 Behind the Scenes: Larry Sanders & The Critic 01:00:00 Norm Macdonald: Legacy and Documentary 01:10:00 Comedy Docs: Hicks, Carlin, and Comic Greats 01:17:00 Comedy Industry Changes & Making Movies Today 01:25:00 Notes, Failures & Navigating Hollywood 01:35:00 Comedy Movie Memories: From Anchorman to Bridesmaids 01:41:00 Diane Keaton, Annie Hall & Iconic Performances 01:46:00 Long Island Comedy Roots & Standup Scenes 01:51:00 Tour Dates, Plugs & Closing Remarks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's good to see it. It's been a minute. It's been so long. It's going to be back in America. I know. We were gone for a while. Yeah, yeah. Did, you know what?

Did Oslo, Dublin, geez, whereas Finland, Sweden. The only place we overlapped was, I think, Dublin. Yeah. I missed you by a day. Yeah. How crazy is that? It was like Jordan Jensen, me, than you in Dublin. Crazy.

And then you didn't do Paris. Paris was great this time. I'm saving it. Yeah, Paris is like not always my favorite of a comedy, but this time it was great. All right. But, yeah, how was Athens? It looked gorgeous, those pictures. Oh, my God.

Did you go there? I've been there. I've been there. Oh, that was Rome. Oh, okay, got it. Yeah. Rome was great. I saw Francesco DiCarlo.

Wow. He took us out to dinner, did the sneak. He did the sneak credit card pay behind my back. I tried to do it, and they were like, he beat you to it. And he's famous over there. Oh, yeah. Francesco, you know? So we're walking around Italy and people are like,

Mamma Mia Francesco, like the way they're so emotional when they see him. And then I got recognized. I was like, dude, just a little different. But no, he took us all around. He was, he's an incredible tour guy. Isn't it funny when you see another comic overseas? You're like, ah, you go on to him. It's like, it's like seeing an ambassador.

Well, I saw Seinfeld and Paris. Wow, yeah, there you go. That was incredible. That's the biggest. Yeah, just like, what, not who you expect to run into and have a night out with. And he reached out to you. His wife did. It felt like his wife set us up on a blind date.

Was she on Raya? She set us up. We're all hanging out. And great hang. But then it's like, you know, we all are doing like the fun group talk. Yeah. But then it turns into comedy nerd mode. And we're just like, d'ZZ.

See you, sister. We got to talk comedy. There it is. Wow. Yeah, we had a good time. Seinfeld hang in Paris. Sounds like one of these like vision board things, you know. We had a great night.

Yeah. talking comedy for hours loved it man just awesome wow that's great what is it hotel is that his place no they picked the cool hotel bar that this is this is such a smooth move on their end first off they pay before we could even find the bill that's what they get you the other move uh i told her where i was staying and she picked the place walking distance oh just a classy move all around pro move pro move man did you did you discuss zoran the talk of the town we had a We had a great night, man. It was fantastic.

It was incredible. A lot of old school comedy talk, like Robert Klein, fucking Carlin Pryor. Then we did like the New Age Giroldo talking like all over the map. I loved it. Wow. So cool. I'm hanging out with Sean Murphy. Boo.

Come on. No, Murphy's great. Well, we take, you know, and I brought my friend Chase with me and they love Chase. You know, Chase's mom's a social worker, Seinfeld's, Jessica Seinfeld's mom's a social worker. they're talking about so we do all these group pictures after yeah you know i take one with jerry then all three then me uh chase and jerry then at the end chase goes all right now uh now mom's with social workers got a big laugh out of them i was like all right he's fucking he's cooking thank god when you have the the side friend who gets a laugh you're like all right he's accepted

too i wouldn't bring him if i didn't believe in him yes yes well uh how do you how do you how does that come up do you go i think chase brought it up which is nice because i don't want to bring up of, I don't want to do that. I had to get a photo with him once. I said, I'm only doing this to help sell the beacon. He was like, all right. So he got that. You should have said, because I value you as a friend.

Ah, I didn't want to do that. That's so much worse to say, I'm using you for tickets. I guess you're right. Well, we're friends. I wouldn't go, hey, I value as a friend. Let's get a photo. You know what you would just say, let's take a photo. Yeah, that's true.

Or you could just say, yeah, let's get a photo. Yeah. Did you get any blowback? Hey, you're hanging out with Zionist here? I don't fucking know. Good. Who cares? It's all over.

You can't reduce people to one word who have contributed this much to comedy. Come on. I've been saying that about Michael Richards. I know. I've been saying about Cosby. That was more of an action. Wow, so cool. What lives we have.

We're sitting here going, oh, I was in Rome. Oh, sorry, I was in Athens. Oh, dude, Milan, crazy. Yeah, well, I got to, oh, wow, Milan. I want to hear about that. Oh, my God. So I get to Riyadh, I do the show, I'm there seven hours, I fly out, through the night. Literally, it's the movie The Town.

You just, you have a mask on, you have a duffel bag. Yeah, I hit one woman, I got a child bride, I got out of there, and then I landed in Athens on no sleep. I'm on like an hour's sleep. I get an Uber, and then my wife and baby are at the hotel, and I'm like, I felt like the last, I got out of the last chopper of Vietnam, and I made it to the family. It's Indiana Jones. Yes, yeah. I really did feel like it was that meme where you're just like you're just like you're saying. the wrong thing, they're all chasing you, and you're like, start

the plane. Yes, exactly. Curvy swords. I had the same thing, but with Barcelona, but, dude, I got so sick in Barcelona. I did the show, but I was sick as a fucking dog, and did the show, then had to go to the hospital. Oh, what? In Barcelona, and it's some shitty hospital.

They're not, like, not speaking English. I know I should know better Spanish, but I'm like, this is not a good situation to be in. Yeah, what happened? I was like, I think this is a flu, so let me just get Tamiflu so I can knock it out. So you got to go the hospital get that oh i didn't know that yeah and then urgent care or something but it was like late night i didn't want to cancel the show how often am i in barcelona sure but uh yeah i had to

fight do that one i had to stay an extra day in barcelona because i was so fucking sick whoa banging out movies in the hotel room did you see the city at all because it's a great city a little bit but that was the one i had to kind of sacrifice because i was just so fucking ill yeah and then and then i'm like trying to get better while also binge drinking every night and traveling every couple days and it's that thing where i'd be like chugging a beer then i'd be in the bathroom and I'd be like, and I cough out green flamen in the sink. Oh, man. Just a pig. Yeah.

But I, you know. I started putting a little bodega in the Tamiflu. You know, mix it all up. I was really, but it turned out wasn't the flu, but it was just like a fucking nasty viral thing. And I was like, I was better in a few days, but it stuck with me for probably like a week. Damn. Well, that's the booze. We'll keep it on you.

The booze, man. But yeah, Athens is incredible. The ruins. The show was insane. All the crowds were great. Sweden was the best crowd. Stockholm gets it. man. They get it. They get it. Beautiful city. My God. Chicks, too. Oh, the women. They're all six foot eight and blonde and just blue-eyed, pure white snow. Unbelievable. We didn't have to take it there, but yes, they're very attractive women. Yeah, I get the IKEA thing. No, they're very hot. And the crowds are great. Scandinavian crowds, man. They just get it. They're great. Well, Finland was a little

They're tough. I've never done Helsinki. Helsinki is a cool city. It's very pretty and organized and and the clean, but the crowds are very, like, efficient. They're like, mm, we like that one. That's the funny part. It's, like, Milan, they laugh, but then you do, like, three Holocaust jokes in a row, and they're like, they all applaud as a group. Yes. This is such a strange form of comedy.

Like, I feel like I'm doing, like, a TED talk kind of. It's not, like, but they were very nice. Yeah. Amsterdam's kind of like that. Amsterdam's kind of tough. They're kind of tough. You know, here's a little peeve. Amsterdam.

Yeah, what happened? I got some peeves. They're not an expressive people. Yes, exactly. You know, it's like you sell a lot of tickets there, so you're excited. Right. And then, because they're big comedy fans, but then you do the show and you're like, that's it? What the fuck?

I know. I'm like, that's my best stuff. And then you get off and they're like, it was amazing. You're like, tell your face. I'm dying up here. I always say it's like the girl you bang and you're like, oh, I'm kind of not doing well. Then later she was like, that was awesome. Give me a moan.

Give me something. You got to give me something. Not to mention these people are on bikes the whole time. Right. Don't go to a booty call at 2 a. I'm like, I'll get on the bike. Everything's on a bike there. And the roads are literally two feet.

I know. So you're like, you know, it's like a mini Cooper whizzing by, then a bike. Then you're like, you're like, I got to like walk like sideways. Yeah, I know. It's a tight town. And the weather's tough. Yeah, weather can kill you. They really had legalized weed.

And now that other places have it, they've lost a little bit of, it's still a fun city. Yeah, pretty. But the problem is like, I'm not a planner. And there are two big attractions, the Van Gogh Museum and the Anne Frank House. Yep. You got to plan that one out like six weeks. I did the same thing. I got to Van Gogh.

They're like, you crazy? This is two months booked. Yeah. I've been there before. It's sick. It's amazing. Really? But yeah, I wish I said.

The National Art Institute in Berlin was insane. They got the Warhol, the Elvis one. They got Picasso's. They've got like Gerard Richter's, this huge German artist. And he's like 94 and he's still going. Wow. And his shit's incredible. And then they had, I mean, the Berlin Art Institute's, it's legit.

Yeah. But they're glossing over some periods of history. They're like, in 1914. 45, 42 to 45, some weird stuff happened. Anyway, in 46, there was a big boom, and you're like, huh. I know, I went to the History Museum in Berlin, and I got there right at the wire, and they were, like, pushing me out. They're like, hey, get out of here, you got to go, the train schedule, and I'm like, you've got to be a real Nazi about this museum here. You guys have a history of pushing people on trains.

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, loved it. Love the trip. Now, at what point do you go, because you're seeing beautiful things, you're flying all over the world, jet setting, art, crowds. history but at what point do you go I kind of I'm ready to get back I think literally right at the end all right that's good that was actually having so much fun

and the bars in every city were so I mean it is funny though because I'm more of like a like I'm more of a New York Dublin Liverpool type drinker than I am like Milan like I like the communal thing of a bar yeah we're all just hanging at a bar together you can kind of bullshit with people you have your friend but you can kind of have a chat

whereas like Milan it's just you're like at a table outside you're with your own group and I don't like that. I kind of like the idea that I can meet someone at a bar. Yeah, of course, of course. So, yeah, Dublin's great. That's always fun. But then Liverpool was like, that was like on another level.

That was like the best that I had on the tour. The Hot Water Comedy Club. That was the only club I did. And it was like on fire. Wow, you don't hear about Liverpool ever. You hear about the Beatles and that's it. Dude, the women in Liverpool are gorgeous. What?

And they're like the opposite of London women. They're hotter, but they think they're not hot. Oh, that's great. And it's like, it's insane. So is it like a blue collar? Yeah, I think it is. Okay, okay. But they have the soccer team.

And dude, it was like, I met this woman there. We had this, like, amazing night. She was so cool. And it was to the point where we were both hammered at like 4 a.m. And I was like, you should come to London with me. Whoa. And she was like, all right, I'm coming. Whoa.

Okay, wow. All right. So she goes, I'm going to come with you. And then there was like, it died down for a second. She goes, are you going to human traffic me? And I was like, no. And my friend Chase goes, no. No, he's got like a good career back in America.

And I was like, hey, that's not why we're not trafficking women. You can't say it. So I was like, I think I could do a bit about this because what happened next was. You trafficked her? Trafficked her. All right. But no, but the next morning, like, she's like, I'm going to come. And then the next morning, she didn't meet me at the train station.

She goes, I'm not coming. And I wrote back the trafficking. She goes, yeah, I'm just, I'm too scared. And I was like, I said, that's the problem with women in their 20s. They're still scared of getting trafficked. I need a woman my age because they know their trafficking years are long behind. You know, they're. They're like, because if you're trafficking women and you're bringing home like a 40-year-old,

I think that the head trafficker's like, can I see you in my office for a sec? We're letting you go. This damage good. Yeah, this fruit is old. But then she's messaging me all week. She's like, my grandma said I should have come. I'm like, she told your grandma? What's happening?

Weird. And then she like went to see a tarot card reader. And he was like, yeah, I don't know what's happened. But she was still messaging me the whole trip. We had a fun night. It was still fun. Very romantic. That's fun shit.

We're just like impulsive like that. I love to be impulsive. I do too. You're in Europe. What are you going to do? Yeah. The UK is fun. And, you know, London, do you go to London this time or no?

I went in like May. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I had a blast. I went to Wales, London, all that shit. Where else did you hit this time besides Finland? Finland, Sweden, Oslo. Oslo is pretty cool. Do you eat anything weird in Oslo?

I had reindeer and I had some, I just ate a ton of fish. Yeah. It was all great. Any whale sashis are there. They do weird shit over there. I know. They love whale. They love reindeer.

Doesn't taste good, though. No. More saunas than cars. Wow. In Scandinavia. Fun fact. I mean, saunas are great. Yeah. I love a sauna. I love a sauna culture. I know.

A lot of my hotels had saunas and I was like, man, this is saving me from the hangover. Oh, totally. I would just force the gym every day, even if it was like 30 minutes because I was like, yeah, I had 12 beers last night. I should probably do the rower for 15 minutes. Like that's breaking even. Yeah, yeah. It's better than nothing. Something, yeah.

So did you have a little bit of relief? because everybody's all impulsive at the 13th drink and the 4 o'clock in the morning but if she was like I'm not coming on the train I'd be like that's probably for the best

I was fine I wasn't like relief and I was like it's fun I don't care it's like I mean it would have been fun but I was also like we're going to new adventure

like it's almost like a video game and it's like all right we'll start a new life you just have to keep you just have to keep the energy up because I think like you know I'm traveling with a good friend of mine

and it's like for me it's like just keep morale high the whole time no no sulky no bad mood Just keep the energy good. And I think we did.

I think it was a good trip. Nice. I'm trying to think what else was killer. Any missed flights? No. All right. But we did have a canceled train, which was pretty annoying. It was actually the one she bailed on, so I got my money back.

Whoa. So that was actually, I was like, hey, maybe this was meant to be. Yeah. The Jew and me was really coming out. I'm like, I could have met the love of my life. I'm like, free train ticket. All right. Try to think what else happened.

Yeah, if I had any crazy moments. A lot of crazy flights. You miss anything? What? How long was May and the baby with you? Just Athens, and then they flew back Because just bopping around Six nights

That hotel's sick Great hotel The one of you see the Acropolis From the fucking breakfast It's the roof, yeah I stayed there ones It's insane And that neighborhood's great

We had all the cafe And he hit wolf nights What's it called Wolf? Yeah, we did I took the mother-in-law there Wolffish Wolf-Face Wolf something in Athens

Wall Street I can't remember, yeah Sea Wolf Sea Wolf That place is like off the beaten path But it's incredible right You know we walked there Then walked home

That neighborhood was awesome Yeah Athens has got some stank on it too I love it It's kind of dirty It's fun Yeah it's gritty Yeah we had a blast

So I went down to the train station To catch the train And not one piece of garbage No graffiti, not one rat It's crazy We know it's weird There's no garbage But also I feel like there's no garbage cans

In these places Are they just holding their shit? I look this up You actually have less litter with less cans. It's one of these weird human nature, psychological things. So I don't know what that's about, but yeah. There's no littering. No littering?

It's crazy. They do have graffiti over there. Yeah. But, uh... A lot about my people. Yeah. But they, yeah, I'll tell you, you know what? I got a peeve for the, uh, in Europe.

There's a lot of the ATMs. They suck up the card. Oh, that's scary. I don't like the card suck because I'm traveling with an ATM. I'm like, I need access to cash. Yeah, you got to have cash. And, and I, and I, and I, hate the suckup, I'm always like, fuck, are they going to give it back?

It's like the opposite of a blowjob. When they swallow, it's bad in a daytime machine. Right, right. Yeah, spit it out. Spit it out. Because at one time it sucked it up, and I was on a tour, and I lost my car. Whoa. But it's like, you got to know, I'm booking all the shit here.

I should be here. You're looking at my other statements. Of course. I got a peeve for you. No drip coffee. I'm sick of an Americana. I'm sick of the flat white. I'm sick of the latte.

Give me a drip where you can just pour it out of a pitcher. The Americano sucks. It sucks. It's just lazy. I know. At least a cappuccino, there's like, okay, it's like, you get the milk, I get it. But just water and espresso. I know, water, ugh.

And then I would ask for milk, they'd be like, oh, milk, look at this pussy. Yeah. All right. You don't know what you're doing. No, you get excited too, because you get to like a pret at a train station. You're like, they'll have it. They don't even fucking have it. I know, they don't have it.

Give me a fucking drip coffee. Yeah. And then when you're at a restaurant, you want the re-pour, like at a breakfast, but they can't do a report. They got to make a whole new bullshit. I'm with you. This is like, see, they look down upon us. Right. Like, we're like this trash, because I like a good diner, like four refills, but that's

what I like. And the coffee's a little weaker, but you're just like, it's the ritual of it. Exactly, exactly. So I'm making curigs at hotels. I can't do that. I'll take a curing because at least it's drip. It's just fucking nasty, though. Yeah.

It tastes like shit. Got one right here. Yeah. It's not great. But, yeah, no, I, it bums me out. the no but you know they look down upon us in these other countries like some other countries are fine with us but we were in a bar in berlin and my buddy chase is just going up to chicks trying to meet them and the second he says american they're like ugh and it's like hey uh germany you've

made a few uh mistakes in your day too maybe i know forgiveness and i love when they ask me like what's up with the tariffs i'm like i didn't do it i didn't vote for the guy i didn't set the policy what do you want for me no they uh they love to let us have it and then but then you have like that weird kind of like American pride. You know, you're gone. You're like, no, fuck you. We got a lot of cool shit going on America, too. It's the Big Brother Syndrome.

I can make fun of it, but you can't make fun. Exactly. Yeah, so you want to throw up a, what's up with Gerard Jeopardue? That guy sucked, you know? Fuck you, Fritz. Yeah, you guys, that guy looks like shit. Have you seen Gerard Depardue lately? No.

He claims he drinks 12 bottles of wine a day. Wow. And I'm like, no. And then you see a picture. You're like, oh, he might drink 15. This guy looks horrible. Look at that nose Wow

That's an alcohol You ever see an alcoholic's nose? Yeah I mean geez Talk about reindeer This guy looks like Rudolph That red fucking nose I hate to

This is there already laying Holy shit That guy's It's weird to look like shit But then still have like Kind of nice hair I know And it's got like a velvet blazer on

Look at a young Departre Yeah he was a honk He was like their De Niro man Wow What Where else did you hit Let's see

Finland was cool Oslo is cool. Some of these cities you land and you're like, I need a minute. So you like sit in the hotel room and jerk off and look at your phone and you kind of miss the whole thing. So Finland, I didn't see too much up,

but I had a fish soup there that was unbelievable. I asked the hotel guy like, what's your thing? And he goes, we got a fish soup, it's great. I go, fish soup. You're a soup guy, though. Love soup. I went to the first place across the street. I got a fish soup.

It was unbelievable. They put a dollop of mustard on top. And it's like salmon with a good, gooey lemon. broth, it's incredible. That's like that Greek suit with the chicken, the lemon, and the egg. Yes, it's very similar to that. There it is.

Oh, my God, it's incredible. That's so, because you're such a soup guy, do you have a higher bar for what constitutes a good soup, or are you kind of just like, no, I'm just happy to have a soup? No, I think I'm, I got a bar. I got a bar. And this was a well-made soup, and it was like their delicacy. Also, the crowd was a little tough in Finland. I think I didn't, I don't think I bomb, but they just don't give a lot.

And a guy yelled out, why don't more comics come here? And I go, you heard the reaction. This is fine. You guys don't laugh and shit. Yeah, I got that. And I think in Amsterdam and I was like, they're like, you played Riyadh. And I'm like, they laughed hard of the new fuckers. Yeah.

And I'm not going to say any names, but last time I did Amsterdam, the booker or the owner of the theater, whatever was like, I've got to tell you, we had three very major prominent comedians here. And they all had a meltdown on the audience here. In which place? In Amsterdam. Amsterdam is like, it's fine, but you want, it's fun. because like my closure was killing everywhere and it did like fine and it sucks to get off on fine yes they were fine it wasn't awful but I got off like yeah I was not through because it's funny I was

dreading that Paris was gonna be that and Paris turned up being great yeah yeah yeah Paris kicked it up a notch I think 10 years ago that was a tough audience yeah now they're cool yeah no everything else was great but I'm trying to think where else I hit yeah I mean Berlin is like Williamsburg basically but in a good way like they laugh hard yeah I met all these cool Polish comedians like so many polish comedians came out to the show so i was you know chopping it up with them after the show they're all really cool they got a scene in poland so i'm going to go to poland oh i would love to go warsaw and krakow i here is amazing oh easy that's a lot of history there and then

i want to go to uh i should have hit munich while i was in germany oh yeah here that's pretty we got look we got a whole world ahead of us we got all these new plays to hit yeah i was talking to louis last night and he gave me like a long list of all these other he's like you've never been a you know Budapest you never been to Sophia I'm like I don't even know where Sophia is but I'll go but they gave me a long list of all these places

like he's like these will be great and I'm like all right so all right great I took them down and we've never done South America I know actually I did San what's that place called what's the big one in Brazil oh no no no South Paulo

no not Brazil car car keck gosh shit It's two words. I don't know why I'm blanking on this. Oh, geez, it seemed like Drew Lynch for a second there. I'm like Mitch McConnell in here. What the hell is that place called?

Carlo. Huh? No, is that a place? I'll think of it. You do Argentina? No, no. I feel like Buenos Aires we could probably do all right. That's true.

They say it's the New York of South America. They say everything's in New York. Everything's in New York of say you're just like, this is not. Yeah. San Jose. No, that's in California. Sounds like that. that though you did rooster tea feathers in south america yeah it was it was at a bar my friend set

the whole thing up and we just flew down there and stayed in a house on the water sometimes that's like you have a better time like that's another thing louis was saying is like i don't want they offered me these huge venues in like japan he's like i just want to have a good show do 800 season i was like yeah kind of get like look money is cool and all but like you want to love the trip and you want to love the show and you want to feel good about the show yes i completely agree Like sometimes they put you in these like 1,500 cedars and you're sweating the tickets the whole time. You're like, you're ruining my trip. I know.

Just put me in an 800 and we'd sell two. Great. Yeah, it does suck to walk into a huge cavernous venue that is undersold. I know, I know, especially in like a random faraway place because you're already feel. We feel like a failure. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, I flew here for this. Yeah, but I would definitely hit back all these places, I think, for sure.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Comedy's popping, baby. It's all over the world. Thanks, the internet. It's fun. Just like, man, I ended at a bar in Amsterdam that was like, just, it was like all natural wine.

I just got fucking hammered on natural wine. And you know what the thing is? I've convinced myself you don't get a hangover from natural wine. So I think I have like an extra six glasses. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, I'm really fucking hung over. Turns out if you drink enough alcohol, you will still have a bad hangover. Thousand percent.

Every, every elixir pill. Hey, try this when you're done drinking, it'll save you it. None of that shit works. And I try to, hey, clear tequila. You're safe. I'm like, no, I can hang over on everything. Is that what you, that's your go-to when you travel? A lot of beer, too.

A lot of beer. That's, I don't love all the beer. I like beer, but it's like pint after pint after pint. And I'm like, give me a martini. I had the worst martini I've ever had in Athens. And I just guzzled it down. It tastes like fucking vinegar. That's a good, great start to a story.

The worst martini in my life. Dude, I'll tell you, I had like so many beers and I was fighting this cold, too, the whole trip. So, you know, my body's rebelling against me. I woke up two mornings. So, you know, when you're like, okay, I got five hours. I can get five hours of sleep. I'm in the flight. I'll be okay.

I'm going to be hung over five hours I can do. I wake up an hour before I'm supposed to wake up with the worst fucking cramp right here. I'm like, ah, you're just screaming, just like, ah, alone in my room screaming. Yeah. I get out of bed. I finally stop it here. Then it picks up here. I'm like, ah, my body.

I feel like I'm fucking, like morphing into something. Just like, g, gah, wolf man. And there's one guy, have a banana. Yeah, I got a banana next to the bed. It was in my ass. And by the way, I did have a banana the next day. And the next night, guess what happened? Same shit.

I woke up two straight nights with the worst fucking leg cramps for like 30 minutes. Damn. It was hell. And I was just like, oh, if I just got that extra hour, I would have been okay. Yeah. At least when you have a cramp, it like gets you up. Like, you kind of wake up. I hate it.

Yeah, that's like. I had it once. I had a girl over and I got one. And it was our first night together after we had talked on the phone a bunch. Oh, boy. And she slept over. And it's like that thing was like, wow, this was like a good night. And then I, four a minute.

I wake up like, ah, and she's like, he's going to kill me. What the fuck? She was screaming. She's like, ah! I was like, no, my fucking leg. I'm getting traffic. It's happening. Yeah, man.

That's you. Oh, dude, I was the wolf, man. It was fucking brutal. Yeah, that cramp is it. The only way to get rid of it is walk around. Oh, dude. But, hey, it's good to be back. Boy, when you land back on American soil, you're like, who, I'm home, baby.

Yeah, because you did a. I was gone for like a month. I left, my routing was brutal. I started and, like, I threw a couple nights in Chicago, and then it was like three nights in Chicago, then it was like, coming back here, then go. And it's like, fuck, all these connect flights, you're just like, by the end, you're just like,

no wonder you get sick. Yeah, the connection is, like, I had to connect to go to Riyadh, I had to connect to Istanbul. I was on the wrong side of the airport. I had to run. I'm sweating. I had a jacket on jeans. I got horrible B.O.

I take my jacket off, and I was all embarrassed. And then I realized, if you're going to have B.O., Middle Eastern flight Pretty good Then I tried to get an Uber when I landed And they don't have Uber there Which blew my mind

Yeah Every Uber driver here is Middle Eastern You know But over there they don't even have it I was like this is your thing But they sent the guy to pick me out But yeah good times Good times glad to be back

But my agent wanted me to do all these European dates for like two months I was like break it up I have a child Yeah you have a baby dude I mean for me I'm kind of like I got nothing at home I part of me is like

I kind of want to go back Yeah, I got, I like, I arrived, like, kind of energized. I was like, I feel fucking, like, good. I don't know. All right. I mean, it's weird to drink for 16 nights straight and be like, I feel great. Yeah. But I kind of do.

But then you start wondering, is there food healthier? Maybe, like, your body was like, hey, this is nice. We're having real bread, real vegetables. The amount of bread I ate, like, every meal was a fucking sandwich. Like, you get a sandwich on a Parisian train, and it's like ham and cheese with butter. And you're like, this is better than, like, a gourmet sandwich. their fucking train station is better I know you put butter on anything

it's fucking butter and bread is just like yeah and they do real butter there you picture that guy in glorious bastards you know that little uh dairy he had up there on the mountain the Irish butter is incredible too good butter is fucking good man

why French food is so good the butter it's all butter baby a ton of food yeah it was I mean it was insane dude it was uh so much and it's the best when you could just get on a train too I know I love a train I had a few trains in a row. Like, this is fucking nice.

It's very nice. You get the view. There's no security. You don't have to get there an hour early. Trains the best. Yeah. It's crazy. Like, if you live in London, you can just train to Paris for a weekend.

You know, like, it's crazy. Or Amsterdam, whatever. Wherever. But also, I don't think London has, like, in America, we can go to Malibu. We can just go to Malibu or Hawaii. We have our cool shit in the country. I think they have to leave to have cool shit. Yeah, but they're closer.

That's true. I mean, you could train versus, you're not taking a train to Malibu from here. No, that's true. I've never even been to Hawaii. I would love to. What? I should go, man. Oh, you turned down to Hawaii.

It was routed with Australia, and it was a year I'd done so many fucking cities. I was like, I don't want to chill. I was also single. I don't want to chill in fucking, I don't want to chill in Hawaii for five nights alone. That's true. There's something sad about that. Definitely. And that's a long flight. Hawaii.

You think you're going to have some spiritual awakening. on some mountain, but really you're just jerking off in a room and just like, ah, fucking, I'm lonely, I'm going to kill myself. You still have your brain in Hawaii. It's still you. It's still your sadness. They did a sketch like that on S&L Sandler. Did you see that?

No. He does a travel infomercial, and he's like, I just want you to know, you're still going to be you over here. That's the whole thing. It's a great sketch. That's hilarious. I got some other fucking things I wrote down. What else?

Everybody's quiet everywhere, too. Have you noticed that? You go any city in Europe, it's like, everywhere the restaurants are quiet even the bars are kind of quiet Not Germany They're fucking chatter boxes I got a lot of people

Just started chatting me up in bars in a ways I was like these people are fucking nuts Oh interesting There was a woman just chatting us up And I was like she is fucking wasted this chick My phone was like you think she's wasted I'm like yes she's screaming at us Yeah yeah

But I'll tell you here's a P for traveling The Slow Hotel Checkin Been saying it for years You know if someone's checking into a hotel They've been traveling Yes Why are you torturing us I know.

Would you like us to explain the benefits here? I just want to fucking sleep. I want to take my pants off. Give me the key. I'm taking my pants off here if you don't pick it up. Yeah, this shit. Okay, so you're like, why is this ready? Get it going.

Get it going. Just have the key ready. Yeah, I would say the same for a rental car place. Just I show up. I made the reservation. Just give me the key. Oh, you know what I watched on the plane ride back, which was like, God, how about the movie selection on the flight to Saudi Arabia?

Those were fucking rough. Oh, dude. It was like one anti-Semitic. documentary and Mission Impossible Five. I'm like, this is it. And then you got flying back though, damn, planes trains and automobiles, like

this time of year, I can't not watch that movie. It's the ultimate Thanksgiving movie. Incredible movie. And you tear up. I just watch the John Candy dock. I got to watch it. It's all over the dock. Another thing about the Saudi Arabia flight, they pray. So I'm getting, look, I'm an American. If you pray on a flight,

we're fucked. But they pray normally. They're like, hello, but I'm like, what the hell's going on? But that's just normal. You have to pray every 10 minutes. So, yeah, that was scary. Such a good movie. Uh-oh.

We might have our guest here. Yeah, plane's train, so good. The dock game is unbelievable. Is it a great movie? It's good. It's good. It's good. But it's like, we got the Scorsese, five-partner.

I haven't seen that yet. Is it great? Already finished it. Incredible. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. Charlie Sheen doc was fun. The Billy Joel doc was fun.

I got a peeve. Why hasn't Sheen been on here yet? I know. He's been on everything. He's been on everything. I know. We've been gunning for him since before he did this shit. I know.

Simon Rex, we know you listen to the pod. Just fucking text him for us, will you? Text him. We're fun. We're fun. He'd like us. Yeah, we'll do crack or whatever he wants. We'll get...

No, he's trying not to do crack. Oh, okay. We'll drink your non-alcoholic beer, Charlie. Is he have a non-alcoholic? Yeah. Ooh. Well, I'll drink it to get him on. I mean, I'll drink it, but...

Non-alcoholic beer's a bummer, though. That is a big bummer. It's a bummer. Especially from the guy who's winning, Tiger Blood. Oh, I know. What a shift. Yeah, just let's get bloated. Is that it?

It's like fucking, uh, Dan St. Germain or buddy, we'll be out with him and he'll order like a Heineken Zero. And I'm like, ugh. I know, I know. Just don't drink. Just don't drink. Just get a diet Coke or something. Please. Oh, by the way, I posted my tour dates today.

The amount of queefs hitting me up to open. I'll take Buffalo. I'll take this. It's crazy. These guys are like sharks on the water. By the way, don't you have people you bring already? I do, but everybody's like, oh, yeah, you got anybody for Des Moines? Like, all right, you can do Des Moines.

You can, by the way, if we end up shooting the movie, you can move these days, right? Yeah, of course. These are all club dates. Oh, good. Yeah, I got to get back in the clubs, too. I want to build up for when I tape, but I feel like it's getting there. It's funny. You feel like after Liverpool, I'm like, I could fucking tape here.

And then you have a show in Amsterdam, and you're like, I need a few months. Yeah, right, right. You always judge it by the bad set, not the good. That's how you have to. That's so true. Man, it was so bad at the seller last night. Like so, really? So comically bad.

Interesting. That's funny, Louis and Jud were actually on the show. And it's funny seeing Louis get brought up to, he gets no applause. Whoa. They were so shitty. At one point, I was like, man, this crowd fucking sucks. I just said it. I was like, man, you guys are terrible.

And this woman just goes, it's your material. Oh! And I was like, wow, all right. And I was in my head, I was like, these are going to. applause breaks in fucking Europe. These are working. Yeah, what a coo.

I mean, yeah, I was just like, whatever. Damn, you know what's weird? I had a horrible set at New York Comedy Club on 24th Street last night. I'm bombing. Yeah.

Hey! And then I go, come on in whenever you're ready. Come in. I go pee. All right, he's got a pee. Oh, the audience is titillating. They're like, who could it be?

Don't know. Okay. But it'll say, right? That's true. It's probably on the thumbnail. But I had a horrible audit. Five minutes in, six minutes in. I'm like struggling.

And I go, what's going on? And something happened, you guys suck. Fuck you, you're gay, you're fat, you're ugly, and then I'm killing. Yeah. Then I, once I did that, they respected me or something. I had a couple, I had a couple hit, but I still didn't get what I wanted. And I saw Louis, I saw Louis laughing at me bombing, which is funny to see a comic you respect, just watch you eat it. Sure.

And I handle it like such a little bitch. And when I got off, he goes, he goes, you couldn't get back after that. I said, I really couldn't. I was too annoyed that she said that. Right, right. Of course. That's mean. But they were bad

I mean it's funny Matt Koff got off stage and I go how were they? It goes awful Whoa So my head I was like okay He's a good writer Yeah Matt's got good stuff

And Louis on stage was like You know Sam really hated you Yeah he's done that to me before Yeah but Yeah whatever I saw Louis This is years ago I was like they're tough

And he goes up and he goes I heard you guys are a nightmare And that got a laugh And then he started killing Yeah I've done that before I've heard not to try I'll say something Yeah

I heard you guys aren't worth giving it any effort for. Right. You just trash them out of the gate. And, yeah, it's like a hot chick. You just neg them. Yes. And they're like, I think you're hot, but the other guys were saying you're weird looking.

They're like, well, who is this guy? Yeah, yeah. I think you build some, they build, you build like a, oh, he doesn't need us to laugh. Totally. So now they're laughing. Totally. Come on in, man. Let's do it.

Uh-oh. Are you under the weather? No. Oh, you flies down. I'm just running and sweating and dripping. I'm here for you right now. Dude, the book's awesome. Oh, thanks, guys.

Yeah, I love the book. The look is great, too. Right? It's fancy. Yeah, I like the feeling, the pages. Right? It's got a texture. It's very heavy.

Yes, yes. Some thick books are light, and other books are so heavy that you don't even know if you want to read them. And I'm just jealous of anyone who took photos. I have six photos of me as a child.

We were talking about this last night. Like, the amount of photos you have pre-Iphone. Yes. But that's really scraping. And, like, when I lived with Sandler, I think there's, like, eight photos of that era that exists. So it seems like we covered it, but it's literally, like, one, like, instant camera, you know, like a throwaway one. And then one comedian took pictures one night at the improv.

So we had that group shot with Spade and Covert and Sandler. That's a great. But, no, I mean, in high school, I had, like, no photos of anything. I have whole eras. I have old girlfriends. There's not a photo. Same. Somebody believes you.

You're like, no, I swear, I have a girlfriend. She lives in kids. By the way, would you hit the gap? You got a real earthy tone here. You know, I went really a tan. I went really kind of Banana Republic. All right. You know, I was just doing the Today Show.

And, you know, you got to play to the demographic. You got to play to your audience and know that this feels friendly. It's called marketing guys. Dude, you, I love the, yeah, the parts with Sandler. It's great. And then I have a question because there's a story of you, Sandler, Tarantino, and all these guys seen in Dangerfield in Vegas. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

And you have one line where you say Dangerfield had like the darkest insult. I know. What was the line? Well, basically they were doing, you know, they had done a little Nicky. Yeah. And Dangerfield was in it. And Tarantina was in it. And like Harvey Keitel, it was a crazy cast.

And then one day, Sandler was like, let's go to Vegas and just pay respects to Rodney and go see his act. Hell yeah. So it was like a crazy crew of like me and Adam and Rob Schneider. Tarantino, Carl Weathers. Whoa. Rob, like, I'll tell you why I don't

can you respect. You're vaccinated. That's why. And so we go see the show and he's kind of great. He's in his 80s. Murders. Someone heckled him and he kind of went off

and it was like really fun to see him at full strength. And then we went after to his hotel room to hang out with him. And it's a classic Rodney in the white robe. Yeah, smoking weed. Smoking a lot of weed. Everyone's smoking weed.

And I'm trying to talk to him. and he's so, he's so odd. He's just like an odd guy. Like, we all worshipped him, but he's pitching us movies he wants to make. Yeah, I want to do a movie with a, I got 11 wives, a Mormon, I got 11 wives, you know. I think he made that movie.

Yeah, we have five wives. Yeah. They talked about, all right, fine, I'll do five. We can't afford the other six. And then I said, you know, my grandmother was best friends with Tody Fields, the comedian, and she was like a Joan Rivers type of self-deprecating comedian

who was really, really genuine. hilarious and I said what did you think of her and he goes she was what she was and I was like yeah what does that mean he goes she was what she was oh my god and it was the meanest thing I think I've ever heard anybody say I have a question about that story because because Adam told me this once when he went to uh I'm assuming this was the same trip because he said it was him and Tarantino talking to Dangerfield and Dangerfield was like oh, I'm a fucking hack, I'm the worst. You know, and Adam's like, no, you're the best.

You're like, no, I'm a fucking square. And Adam told Tarantino, he's like, he thinks he's a square. And he said, Tarantino was high out of his mind. And he was like, he's like, yeah, you're a fucking square. And Rodney's like, what? And he goes, what? And he just went away, like, pissed. And Adam's like, what the fuck are you doing?

He's like, no, he's the best. He's like, he's a square. Like, he didn't realize what he was saying. But it offended Rodney. I'm sure. Rodney was easily offended. He wasn't? He always thought he wasn't getting respect.

and maybe the guy who got the most respect of everybody I know right that's the weird thing that was his hook remember the documentary and they're doing like describe Rodney in one word at the end and Bill Murray goes

respectable I was like oh that's fucking perfect I mean people loved him so much he was just kind of he's the king but I went to see him I don't know maybe early 80s at the height of Caddyshack

era at the Westbury Music Fair oh I've been there and he murdered as hard you can murder talking so fast. Wow. I don't know what drugs he was on, you know, like was he on Coke or, but he literally had such

a mastery of the one-liners and he was just ripping him and then he would get a laugh and then you would miss the next two jokes. Right. Because he was talking so fast that you couldn't keep up. That might be why I rewatch back to school so many times because there's so many one-liners. Yeah. You just go back. You know what's cool about Rodney?

If you listen to his album, he doesn't say I don't get no respect to like 28 minutes it's in. He saves it, which you think, hey, it's a catchphrase, he uses it every 10 seconds, but he saves it and it gets like a huge applause, which I think is a, that's a pro move. Yeah. Well, before that, you know, he used to talk slower. Like, if you look at, if you ever heard, the earliest Rodney record. It's like, it's like listening to Simpson's season one. Exactly.

What the fuck's up with Homer's voice? It's weird. And he would talk like this. And you know, I was, how did my wife the other day? It was a completely different thing, but kind of hilarious. and also would record comedy albums at his club. And it's amazing because he wouldn't even do great on his comedy album. Right.

Like it would feel like a late night set at a club where there's like half a house. Yeah. And that would be the comedy album. No sweetening. Just this is what it's exactly like. Yeah, you can hear the clinking of the glasses and all that stuff. Yeah. I've just realized Dave Attell is now R. Rodney.

Well, he's like kind of, he's like almost like with hipper references, I feel like. Yeah, sure. Tell, he'll, like, know who the kids are talking about. Right. But, yeah, he's kind of got a Rodney type thing. Well, also, just the, you're the best. He's like, I'm a hack, I suck. He's go, no, you're great.

Everybody loves you. And he's like, I can't stand myself. My act is weak, whatever. But what do you think Dave thinks when his head hits the pillow? I think he's thinking, what's the new Bitcoin, you know, Gaza, whatever. When his head hits the pillow, he's had, like, 16 coffees right before. That's true, yeah. So I don't think he's sleeping that much.

Yeah. And it's like 8 a.m. probably. I remember leaving diners with a towel at like 4 a.m. And he'd order a large ice coffee to go. I know. What are you doing? Yeah, he's like, I got a new porn store to check out of the bar. Well, dude, when I open your book, one of the coolest pages is like, because

and this is like maybe just because you're a nice guy. I forget how much shit you've done because you're not talking about it. But like, it's like Larry Sanders on one page and the other page is the critic. Yeah. So these are your two sides. of your comedy. Yeah, well, I worked there both at the same time. That's two days and two days, right?

Yeah, since the Ben's social show got canceled, and I had tried to get a job on The Simpsons after the first season, I wrote us back, I had no career whatsoever, and I didn't get hired, but they liked it. And so then when the show got canceled, to the people, you know, Al Jean and Mike Reese were starting a new show called The Critic,

and they asked me to write for it a couple of days a week, and then Gary knew I was unemployed, and he's like, come, come work for me. He's like, you'll learn a lot. Whoa. And he didn't say, like, you'll be helpful to me. Right, right. He said, you'll learn a lot.

And I would go in there two days. We could just pitch jokes. Damn. And then go to the critic and pitch jokes. But I was the only non- Ivy League person in the critic room. And they were all, like, the legendary writers of the time and the Harvard guys. And I would make some dumb, dirty joke. And they would just look at me and go, oh, Judd, you've outwitted us again.

And they would be like trying to figure out like Fermat's theorem in between jokes. Like they were all like math geniuses and like to talk about math. Well dude, it's like the two most different shows tonally. I love both of the shows. And I'm sure a lot of people listen and haven't seen the critic. I think they're all on YouTube. You should watch it. It's incredible.

Like I feel like it's almost like the predecessor to family guy. It's like a lot of funny flashback. It's so funny. It's a little dated because it's so many movie references and a lot of fat jokes. The 90s was like all fat jokes. Yeah. It was just a guy would like stand on a trampoline and it would break and be like, I guess that's the joke. It was open season at that time.

Oh, yeah. I was remember there was like a parody of some sort of movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actual. The rabbi. And he like breaks into the Supreme Court. He's like, tonight we're going to make some laws. Yeah, I'd love that show as a kid. The critic pilot is one of the best. pilots ever yeah it's perfect it i love that show the mom was amazing uh the easter island kid

everything was great the the drunk drunk dad the funny thing that happened is so i wrote this this spec like you know because that's what you used to do you would write an episode of a show to prove to another show that you were a good writer you would never get a job with the show like if you wrote like a murphy brown or something you would never get hired murphy brown but maybe someone that seinfeld would like it sure and so they didn't make my simpson's episode and And then literally 22 years later, I'm doing a Q&A somewhere. And I go, you know, all my stuff, it's all about like people who don't want to grow up. And, you know, in fact, the first thing I ever wrote was a Simpsons episode where Homer takes

his family to see some sort of hypnotists. He makes him think he's 10. And then the hypnotist has a heart attack. And now Homer is 10. And he becomes best friends with Bart. And he doesn't want to be brought back to 40. Right. And they run away so that he won't be brought back to his real.

age and there was an article about it and they like printed the Q&A and then the guys at the Simpsons who ran the critic and had been there since day one called me and said oh we'll make it now and then you know they rewrote basically every word of it sure and made it like the dream of what it you know and what I always would have hoped it could be yeah and they made this hilarious episode they let me go to the table read and the records so I got to like sit in the room like Dan Castleinetta was doing Homer, which was like watching Jackie Gleason do, you know, Ralph Cramp. I really, like, thought, like, oh, this is one of the greatest things that's ever happened in comedy on Earth. Could they throw you a bone and let you do a voice?

Like, let you be Judd? Well, I was in another episode. Okay, there we go. There was an episode about a DVD piracy that I had a liner to it. That's pretty legendary. Yeah, yeah. You know your kids, like, hey, look, here's me on The Simpsons. I'm yellow.

Yeah, that's a big one. Dude, in the book, you talk about cable guy, which I feel like. like, so you didn't get credit writing for that, right? Yeah, I did a, like, but you wrote it. A big, well, there was a script, and, you know, we wrote a lot of it. Yeah. Enough that I thought I would get credit of some sort. But the guy who wrote it was a lawyer, and you have to write like, literally a legal paper

to try to explain why you think you deserve credit. And I was just so young and dumb that my letter was bad. So I wound up getting zero credit. And then the movie didn't do well in the box office. And I was so upset and complaining publicly. and people are like, I can't believe he's trying to get his name on the cable guy.

But, so that hurt. But I produced it as well, and it was really great way. But then you had lunch with Warren Beatty? I did. So, like, it bombs. Yeah, it bombs. Here's the funny thing.

It made $100 million. But they expected it to just make whatever. Was it rated R? It was rated R. That'll do. I mean, it ends with Jim committing suicide. You know, it was a little darker than people expected.

Yeah. And so I was really, really bummed and Shandling's like, you should talk to Warren about it. Warren, Warren Pady. Because they were friends at the time. And I said, okay, so he set up for me to go out to lunch with him and he said,

you know, you never know if something is good for like 10 years. He's like movies, you know, sometimes they open, sometimes they don't, sometimes they get good reviews, sometimes they don't. But in like 10 years, you know if anyone cares, if it survived in the culture. Yeah.

And that really has turned out to be true because we've had tons of movies that were below expectations in reception. And then you go, oh, 15, 17 years later, people are still talking about walk hard. Right, or idiocracy. Idiocracy is a perfect example. I saw Walk Hard with, it's the only time I saw a movie with my biological father who I was not close with. And he was like, he's like trying to have a relation with me. He's like, we should see a movie. And I'm like, what's something I can see that will have no weird parental theme in it?

I was like, walk hard. Then it's like the whole thing about him and his dad. I'm like, what the fuck? And it's literally like the whole thing He's like, you never played cash with me I'm like, what the fuck am I watching? Next to him like this is the most uncomfortable Yeah

And then it brought you back together I don't think we talked after that I think was like let's not deal with any of this I saw 12 years of late with my black friend Same feeling Similar Damn, that sucks Yeah

It was like when I saw a National Land Poon's Animal House With my mom Oh And I'm like 10 years old And there's like hand jobs in it Yeah It was uncomfortable comfortable with Tammy that day.

You mind if we dance with your old dates? Yeah. That movie's got some shit where you're like, whoa! Oh yeah, you know, I'm putting together a comedy exhibit for the Motion Picture Academy Museum. And it'll be in like two years.

So they're letting me like pick all the objects to put in the museum and I was looking through things to consider and I was shown the script of Animal House and there, you open the page and it says, do you mind if we dance through days? And then there was the notes from John Landis,

the director of like what music and how he wanted to shoot it. What are you studying? Primitive Species. Wild joke. But yeah, great movie though. Yeah. Great time. They got together.

I was obsessed with Animal House as a kid. And they got together and just traded frat stories and just wrote them all down. Yeah. That's how they got that movie. Yeah, some of those movies, it is funny. Like, I loved Revenge of the Nerds growing up. A few of these are definitely rape scenes. It's kind of crazy.

You're like, I think that was a thing, right? Like, in Animal House, like the girl is passed out. and then the joke is deciding whether or not to attack her. Exactly. It's a little like an SVU plot line now. You're like, oh, that was funny back then, though. I know you wondered just like what was happening like in the culture that like, I mean, you know, hundreds of people approve that. Oh, yeah.

It's like one entire studios and marketing departments and, you know. But that's how you watch. You watch it through a time capture and you're like, oh, this is like kind of, it's interesting. You know, it's not like good or bad. It just is, you know. It just was, yeah. I mean, it's like honeymooners. To the moon.

The whole joke is. I'm going to hit my wife until she goes to the moon. And we all loved it. Would you have to be hit hard to get to the moon? Exactly. And we not got to the moon by then? Yeah. That was pre-moon landing, right?

Damn. Yeah, that probably was that was pre-moon. So it might have inspired. Yeah. It might have been inspiring jokes. Russia heard it, they're like, we got to get there first. We've got to hit our wives harder. Now, I've got to ask.

So when you're in the thick of it, I'm talking, Ben Stiller's show, then the critic, then fucking Larry Sanders, which is such an iconic comment. Did you know, like, I'm a little, I'm a young kid from Long Island, who's now in L.A., I'm writing on 17 shows, I'm in the throes. Did you go, I'm doing it? Or was it a constant fight for survival? Well, both. I mean, I was lucky because Larry Sanders, my job was just to pitch jokes. I didn't have to, I didn't have to approve the jokes.

And really, the more stressful job is which joke to put in the script. It's fun to just sit there eating the sandwich, just babbling all day. What about this? What about that? We turned it into a career. Yeah, exactly. And that's all it really was, was just trying to get a joke in. You'd get maybe one script a year to write.

And then slowly I rose up where the very last season I co-ran the show with Adam Resnick. And that's stressful. Because now you could let Gary down. How did he pitch that to you that he wanted you to run the show? There's just like a moment where he was unhappy with how it was set up. And then he just said, will you please come in and help me? And I had seen him go through a lot of writers. and some of the best writers in the world

that he just didn't connect with. Scary. And I had seen that go dark a bunch of times. Well, the last season's dark. I mean, the last season is like, it's beautiful. It's kind of sad. Yeah. The idea that you don't realize

how much they love each other till the last season, the characters. When Hank is such a weasel, the whole show, but the last season, he's kind of like, no, fuck John Stewart taking over. Like, I got your back. That was kind of where you're like, oh, whoa, this show kind of like,

it's got heart. Oh, yeah, that was real. I mean, that's what he wanted, you know, to be about. It was like, he would always say it's about people who love each other, but show business gets in the way. Right. And so like your ego gets in the way.

He also said that no one ever tells the truth to each other. And if they ever look someone in the eye and tell the truth, it's a huge deal. Right. And you know, so that was the conversation in the office. Like people just have a mask and they want to be seen a certain way. And that was what the whole metaphor of the show was, like being behind the curtain and how we all have our own, you know, private world in our head and this way we want to be

people to see us like Hank Kingsley wants you to think he's like the shit right but to everyone he's like he's so clearly not the shit yes yes and also he wants to know if larry loves him yeah there's one episode where it's all about him just wanting a raise and saying i'm gonna quit if i don't get a raise but he just kind of wants to see if larry would back him right you know so that's the thing that gary was was most it's all relationships yeah it's all about you know how people connect and you know and and if you think about any job you've ever had like it's all the same the same stuff for any office i mean that's why i think it's an inspirational show to a lot of other shows because it is it just went very deep into those relationships but so when gary

asked me to run it i was so nervous so i just said to my go i know what usually happens to the person in this job yeah and i go i really don't want to lose like working for trump it is it is It's like, yeah, like you're scaramoochee or something, you know. And so I said, how can we do this? We're at the end of this, you don't hate me. Yeah. And we talked about it. And I don't think anyone had ever done that with him, you know, to just really sit him down and go, you know, what is the process that makes us easier for you?

And I think the reason why it worked was I think he just liked writing with me. Not that I was doing anything so great, but I think he felt comfortable being funny with me. me. That's huge. And so he would loosen up and I could kind of get him going and take notes and you know, manipulate him into figuring out all the problems where other people would try to fix everything for him, which you do have to do, but I was like, how do I get Gary to tell us? Because it's all in his head. Right. And if I can make that fun, maybe he'll give us more of the show and it won't land on us as much. Sure. Wow. There he is. Yeah. There he is. Yeah. Yeah. I always think that show is like the opposite of Seinfeld they were on at the same time but Seinfeld was like

no relationships selfish show about nothing and that show is like just emotion love fighting jealousy and all showbiz where Seinfeld had very little showbiz very different shows it's also like some of the callbacks and that I mean one of my favorite episodes is uh Hank's night in the sun where he he take Larry's sick and Hank takes over and the first night he takes over the show he kills because he's like charming and then it all goes to his head and he becomes a piece of shit and it's just a great episode I mean it's a great episode if you like you're like oh do am I gonna like this show you just watch that one then you're like all right watch that then start from the beginning yeah Peter Tolan wrote that episode it's a great one he wrote a lot of the

best ones but it is the one we all point to there's also a funny one with Colin Quinn as ripped horn so dude it's pretty great apparently that was what made Mike Myers want Colin Quinn to be Scott evil whoa he wanted he saw that because Colin Colin is like his spoiled son. And he's like, this will be good. And Colin turned down Austin Powers. Yeah, what an idiot. He didn't see it.

I have, you know, Jake Kazzen had a funny story where he was up to direct American Pie. And he read the script and he went in for the meeting and he said, you know, I think it's like really good, but like, I don't think you should have this kid fuck a pie. And then he did not get that job. Wow. He also read Star Wars.

He's like, Darth Vader? What the hell? Yeah, sometimes you're just proven completely wrong. Yeah, I mean, that's the scene, man. I mean, I feel like you see Jason Biggs now. That's the first thing you think of. Of course, of course. I always say I saw that movie in a black neighborhood,

and the, you know, black commentary is always hilarious. And right when they showed the pie mangled, some guy goes, he tore that shit up. Popcorn in the air. So I got to ask you, we got you here. So the doc world is exploding right now. I feel like, John Candy. Ben Stiller just put one out.

out. He got Charlie Sheen. You got Billy Joel. They're doing one on, is it Downey, the writer? Jim Downey. That was a good one. That's on Peacock. Is that out? Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's really good. Because it talks about how he writes and he was the best writer all time on the show. And when you see what he wrote or what he was part of writing, it's insane. It's every, every sketch that you remember. But you, I think, are doing a norm, duck. Is that out there? Is that public? Yeah, that's public. Yeah, that's going to be next year. Wow. We've been lucky enough to just watch everything. Yeah. Like really everything? Yeah, I'm directing it.

Oh, that's exciting. Yeah, I mean, you did the Shandling one, you did the Carlin one. They were both, I love them both. Both great. Yeah, well, people love Norm, so it's, you know, I think people are going to really enjoy it because also it's fun to dig up the stuff that, you know, is hard to find or just things that he's talking about that unless you were like the most hardcore fan, you would never find this conversation and his opinions about these things.

Because, you know, I used to write with Norm for Roseanne. Like, we were hired to write her act, like her stand-up act, and we would go to her house on the weekend. What's the, yeah? We would go to her house on the weekends and write jokes with her. She'd bring out, like, a big stack of legal pads. And then she would tell us thoughts she had. And, you know, he quickly left because he got hired on the TV show.

Like, she was so impressed with him. She's like, you're going to write on my TV show. And then I had to work for another year writing this HBO special with her that she did. Like she would have, there was one funny one where she said, I want to do a joke about how it's better to suck dick than kiss ass. Because when you suck dick, it's like an agreement. I'll suck your dick and then you'll give me this. But when you kiss ass, it's just for the hope that you might do it.

Ah, yeah, that's good. It's like dirty Seinfeld. what's the deal with suck a dick it's a blow job but you don't get paid but yeah wow so Norm was he's my guy he's my number one and there's so much

content like that's the I feel like I've seen all of it because I'm a psycho but there's so much he gave so much for a guy who died young like the Conan's and the podcast and the TV show on Netflix the YouTube show and all the stand-up it's like never ending and SNL

Yeah. That's what I thought was most impressive about it, because when you really look at it, like, how many comedy-defining moments did Norm have that are, like, you know, world-class, memorable. Risky, too. You know, him doing the S.B. Yes. Or him doing the Bob Sagitt roast. Yes. He said all nice things from a joke book. Yeah.

And you started listening it, and there's so many times that he did a shock. insanely original take on something. Yeah. And I think that's fun to just see how his mind works. The Conan Carrotop moment where Conan pulls out of his chair and there's so many iconic comedy points. Oh, when he brings Conan the gift bag

for getting the Tonight Show. I mean, and then he's just leaving like that next week. I mean, it was just, he always had a, yeah, on panel. It was like, it was always gold, man. Yeah. I mean, the heartbreaking part is you can't show all of it, you know, because you have limited time. minute of time. There's one that I couldn't get in that maybe you know, maybe you could tell,

which is the Bill Cosby story about his dad. Yes, by calling him. Yeah. And he forgot his dad was dead. Yeah, exactly. But he didn't want to say that to Bill Cosby. He's like, we called you dead. He didn't answer the phone. He's like, ah, I don't know what to tell you or whatever. What, um, yeah. And the firing, him getting fired and him going on Letterman to talk about getting fired. I mean, that was amazing TV for that time. They had a special thing. Letterman really, got Norm. I mean, so did Conan, for sure, but he's a guy that, like, if you don't have the right interviewer, it's not going to be as good. Yeah. The Letterman interviews when you re-watch them carefully, because I think for a lot of years when you would watch a letterman, you wondered how

much he liked people. Like, that was part of the fun of the show, is like, is he enjoying talking to people? When he talks to Norm, he literally looks like he's in heaven. Yes. Like, he's so excited to see what he's going to do. And Norm would push it and be edgier or grosser. than most people, because people were always, like, Letterman doesn't like when you get kind of weird in that way. And Letterman was just tickled, and I think, you know, what came out is that Norm was really influenced by him. Yes.

Because I think on one of his last appearances, he did one of Letterman's bits. Totally. And when he did one of Letterman's old bit. Yeah, right? And you go, oh, that was the beginning of him figuring out his style. Yeah. And then he did, I mean, what was that?

the last routine he did. Oh, the World War II joke. Oh, yeah, the identification joke. Yes. And then he, it was rare to see him get emotional. And you could see Dave fighting off getting emotional because that's not his thing. And he could tell it was hard for both of them.

I was like, wow, this was like, that was a heavy TV moment. Yeah, and a big deal because Norm was going through something that people didn't know about. Yeah. And he wanted to take the opportunity to tell Letterman that, you know, he loved him and how important he was him. And Letterman didn't see that coming that someone would be so vulnerable. Yeah.

And caring at that time. And I love a comic who, he's clearly such a smart guy. He's like well read on Dostoevsky and all this shit. And he's like, brilliant dude. You know, he had his problems. But his jokes were so silly. Like he had a great joke where he would do on his TV show where he'd read the cue cards or the blue cards. He was like, yeah, Donnie Wahlberg and Jenny McCarthy are getting married.

They're doing it on retarters. like that joke kills me but that's the dumbest joke on the planet it's funny because you know how good he is exactly and you don't see that bad a joke coming from him and that's funny well I'm the talk show he definitely like doing really bad jokes yeah that through you like wait is that even a joke or or would be like edgy in a way like you didn't see coming yeah I mean he really has some jokes like when you watch all of them like from that ear or update where you're like wow that joke would really get you in trouble oh yeah he's walking a tightrope there was

like this this it was a danger there was an air of discomfort where you're just like what's gonna happen like what like one misstep you're like this could go really fucking south yeah in a bad comedian's hands but he was just so good yeah I have one this prize possession I have I have like 150 old film noir's that Adam Eaget gave me and he's like this was meant for norm because he's the only guy I know who loves noir as much as you so he gave me this hard drive I have like 150 old movies wow he's like norm like this I was like norm love noir I even know that yeah well the holidays are here parties every weekend travel chaos and sometimes

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So we didn't interview people. Yeah. We didn't, like, get people, like, dissecting them. It's just Norm. Great. Great. You know, and, because, like, you know, when Norm passed and I went down the rabbit hole, they were incredible interviews, like, you know, morning radio in Hawaii. Oh.

And he doesn't, like, two hours. And he's so funny, but they can't tell when he means it, when he doesn't mean it, you know. And that stuff is pretty priceless. Some of his, I'm a nerd, but some of his best stuff, he did Chris Hardwick's pod a couple times. And those are incredible, like, treasures, because he opens up and he stops trying to be funny and he's just on. And go on and he goes, you know what I hate is all these comics now doing one-man shows about having cancer. Like, everybody gets cancer.

Shut up. You're not special. Getting cancer is an accomplishment. not knowing the whole time he had cancer and he was like shitting on them like I could come out and say it and I would get a bunch of clicks and you know victim points but I'm just going to keep being funny yeah he was the purest and also you know he had cancer when he was really young when he was 20s and he got over it and then he got it again later in life so you know when you think about his personality and just that like I don't give a shit energy yeah you know it is like through the

prism of someone who's seeing life in a in a much deeper way well you wrote about this in your book about funny people and was it your mom someone got really sick yeah and then uh and she was like she had like no worries when she was really sick and then she got better and yeah and it's it like came back it's like you did that with the character and funny people yeah right because yeah every time she thought she would survive all of her neuroses and crazy would come back and every time she thought she had no chance the medicine's not working she would get really like serene and and mellow and pleasant and well i'd see that with other people too where like you get sick and you something like you can see everything clearly

and what's important and how you should treat people but when you get better it is like a weird thing that you were it's hard to hold on to that feeling yeah and I wonder if that's why he could gamble away 400 grand and just be like nah what are you gonna do because he's like I'm still alive you know I have cancer but that's a bad that's I think he was a

must have been a gambling now oh he had a problem and that's like that's insane to do that yeah yeah that's insane to piss away that kind of money unchance but also we don't even know if that's true because like I've talked to people and they're like he's exaggerating the law or like it's very Bob Dylan-esque in the sense that he's not a reliable narrative and we're talking about it and it makes him it has a mystique I guess yeah we just don't really know I mean clearly he was gambling yes and had some problems with that but like the stories I mean that he lost everything yeah I mean I'm sure he took some hits and maybe he did lose everything but I don't think he lost that much in one day like but but who knows it's like you know I'm doing a documentary about Mel Brooks oh nice and I said to him Mel are any of these stories true that you tell,

all these, like, funny stories? And he's like, no, I make them up. Whoa. They're all apocryphal. He's like, I change him, I punch him up. Yeah. So that's also part of everyone's a storyteller. Right.

You know, so you have to work to try to figure out, okay, where is the truth in this. God. It doesn't matter where the truth is. Sure, it's funny. Like, do we care if the stories are true or not? I remember there was like a movement of like honesty, like one-man show type comedy where like that was valued.

over-funnyed, but to me, like, who gives the fuck? If you're laughing, you're laughing, right? As long as the joke isn't the truth. I mean, I assume in everything, nothing is completely accurate. Even in documentaries. I mean, it's only my point of view. And so

I can, you know, have a different point of view from someone else who was there. It's like the vibe I put into it, you know? Yeah. Like, some people might go, oh, I think that person was happier than that, and you kind of made him seem sad. Or you made him seem, you know, just like a different vibe than he was based on what you choose

to put in it. Yeah, yeah. And so that's the interesting part about it. Well, I'm just glad you're documenting all this stuff because, like, sometimes I'll just watch comedies and cars and you're like, oh man, we have Brooks and Carl Reiner having soup together. Or we have Jerry Lewis. We have an hour with Jerry Louer, an hour with Don Rickles

and they're all gone now. And you're like, we got this now. Thank God's not going to film that. And the Rickles Dock is good. I mean, it's cool. You know, Joan had that cool dock at the end. It's it's nice to you know, to see these people's lives, they were groundbreaking. Like, Rickles was, it's insane.

I know, crazy. Well, if you don't have these docs, I think, in the future, people won't know what these people were about at all, right? So if there's a Norm MacDonald doc, you know, in 30 years, someone might watch the documentary, and that's your path into going down the rabbit hole to look at everything. Yeah.

Like with George Carlin, you know, people didn't really know much about his journey and his life, but they probably will start with an interesting doc first. But and some people don't have them And you go, oh, did we never really You know, learn about them In the way we should. Totally. I mean, we had so little

I mean, you're older than us So like when I started, they was on comedy Remember that CD or whatever it was? That was it was like the Carson interview. Yes, you know, Carson, they had Seinfeld one. Oh, yeah. Oh, do the Terry Gross ones. Yeah.

It'd be like Terry Gross and like Jackie Mason and Henny Youngman, they're good interviews, they're cool. Sure, but then you had a special and then like five minutes on Carson or Letterman or whatever. And that's all you had of stand-up. It was like this weird, elusive thing. And now this podcast and documentaries and so it's nice.

And now there's like too much. I know. That was a lot. But like I love the Bill Hicks documentary. That was fun. It was a really good one. American Scream. Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah, that was great. When he said, I showed up to the improv and I couldn't believe that was a building built for this thing I love. I think about that all the time. Yeah. You need to show up at like comedy works in Denver. You're like, wow, this is a cool room. I get to, this is for me.

Bill Hicks doing like the weird. most random cities at Flying Saucer Tour. Oh, yeah. Where he's bombing with these brilliant jokes. I know. It's incredible. It's actually like, listening to those, you're like, holy shit.

And he's such a dick to the crowd. It's so funny. When he says stuff like, don't worry, guys, there's a purple-vaney dick joke around the corner. I'm like, oh my God, he's so condescending these people. It's so funny, though. But, you know, it was such a different time than late 80s stand up because a guy like Bill Hicks,

he wasn't that famous. And so we look at him as, legend. But at the time, he is a road dog. Oh, yeah. And he's running around and he's playing these like funny bones and small cities and, you know, crowds are coming, but not to see him probably a fair amount of the time. And so he is at war with the crowd. Oh, yeah. And if they're not smart and they're not good, like it becomes a different dynamic and something explosive happens in the room as he's like battling to teach them something or yell at them for not getting it because he's also doing a lot of stuff, you know, deep in the South. Yeah. And he's

He actually went to these places, all these kind of like, you know, political comics now who only played a people of their own ideology, whereas Bill was actually in the sticks telling them shit they didn't hear. And that's the difference with Bill and a lot of these comics now who are like political comics, but which is brave, I think. But then also Bill dying at what, 32 or 33 whenever he died and not being known and then being known after death is almost like an artist. You're at like a, you know, the Met or something and you're like, this guy died in poverty at 28. And now he's huge. I mean, you know, it was a big deal to be the guy out there saying, like, the, you know, the war in Iraq is wrong. Right, right. You know, in the 80s.

Yeah. You know, like, it was early 90s. It was, like, more shocking. Like, for him to go on stage and talk about why drugs are good. Yes. You know, so many of those ideas had never been covered in that one. Totally, totally. Before.

And didn't he get, he got kicked off Letterman. Well, the last time he did Letterman, he did. a really edgy sad and I guess there was some abortion material in it and they didn't air it and then like after he died like you know not soon like years later he had his mom on yeah and he played the set and it was it was kind of an amazing moment yeah damn and then you see the set and you're like it doesn't seem I know that level edgy feel now like you try to I mean late night's obviously dead in terms especially with stand-up now. It's like you put together a say, no, it's not really worth the work for anyone now,

which is a shame, because I think there's something cool about the rush of doing a set there. Even if it's a horrible, it's not ideal at all. You're 5 p.m. in Burbank or whatever you're doing, you know, it's a nightmare. But there is something cool about it's still, like throwing a suit on. You're like, oh, this isn't normal. This is, yes. Well, it's a sprint. Yeah. Right. Like, everyone is so used to the long sads. And back then, you were designing everything in your act for the six-minute hunks yeah and you had to like get the crowd to figure out who you are in like a minute yep and then try to get some kind of momentum and and really strong yeah and have a bunch of them ready to go yeah it was a different kind of terror but that first joke on the late night

it's usually just like a throw away yeah because it never it's you throw it a good joke and it never gets what it deserves and you're like fuck I like that joke I know it's like riding a bike where you have to get that momentum now I'm rolling yeah that first couple pedals it's Get them into the rhythm. Yeah, I mean, but you talk about doing the young comedian special in the book with Ray Romano. I think DePaolo is on. Yeah, yes. And you said how you just, like, you never curse, but you were on HBO.

So you're like, you just kept throwing in fucks for no reason. Yeah, the fuck wasn't part of the punchlines. I'm just like, this fucking guy. And they would play it on Comedy Central all the time, that special, and they would beep all the fucks. And it's like a Richard Pryor routine, but not for any good reason or any good joke. But when we tape that, it was in Arizona. and Ray Romano was just so funny, like we were taping the special, and they would do interstitials,

or they would interview each of us for promos or things to put between the comics. And Ray was just smoking everything. He was just killing. And it was a moment where we all went, oh, my God, it's Ray. Yeah. Ray's going to be the big guy. God, I saw him like a month ago at the cellar, and he had great new stuff.

And I go, that one joke about the texting your wife is brilliant. And he goes, that's just what happened. I didn't even write anything. Like, he's still killing. He was murdering. Yeah, he's good, man. He's good. He's good.

And squeaky. Squeaky clean. Yeah. Looks good, too. He looks great. Yeah. So it's amazing going through, like, the book where you have like, you know, you're talking about like, you have a 40-year-old virgin, knocked up.

And then all this stuff you're just involved in where it's like, Pineapple Express, bridesmaids, all these movies are like, it does bum me out that we don't see movies like this. I know, I know. We're working on one. We'll see what happens there. But, you know, it's like. It'll be done.

We got to bang the door. down yes you know I mean it's a weird moment I mean are you optimistic about it I don't know I mean I feel like everything is changing in a way that is so weird there's going to be so much like AI slop and crazy coming at us so obviously thank God for live because that is what people are going to want their eyes are going to be blood red from watching just terrible stuff on their computers and phones all day and they're just going to want to see real stuff with real people but for comedy movies, I think that, you know, when DVD went away, that was half the money a comedy movie would make. So when there were no DVDs, suddenly it was a bigger bet to make a comedy where you could make a horror movie for $5 million.

But a comedy might need $25 million to do a good one. And so they just started betting elsewhere. And then writers go, oh, there's no money in writing these screenplays. And then they just go, I'll just learn how to write a horror movie or something else. And next thing you know, it kind of doom loops in a way. But it, you know, it's always one giant hit away from becoming a market. But all the hits aren't comedies. Like, it's not op and I guess Barbie's technically a comedy.

But like it's like Oppenheimer. It's a movie like Weapons. It's like horror movies are like big budget. Yeah. I'm sure the Odyssey will be a hit, you know. But then we both saw one battle after another and you're like, this movie's amazing. Oh my God. Cinema's back.

And then you hear it's made, it's lost millions. And you're like, God, if this can't be a hit, did you see that? I haven't seen it yet. It's really good. It's great. Yeah. But it's losing money.

In his book, Judd talks about needing help editing funny people, and he brings in Paul Thomas Anderson to edit. It was just like, hilarious. That's like, you're like, I'll just call it one of the best directors ever to look at it. Well, he had just done Punch Drunk Love, which is one of my favorite movies. Yeah, it's great. And so he came to see the movie at one of the previews, and he's so nice. and obviously the best.

And so I said, do you want to come in, help me? Because he's like, you know, the movie's too long. And, you know, when you hear that from me, you should take it seriously. So I go, why don't you just come in and just like, show me where the cuts are?

Because, you know, I really fall in love with the story. And if I lay it out and it just feels like this is the story, if it's 15, 20 minutes longer, I personally don't care at all. I'm like, well, that's just how long it takes to tell this.

And so he went through it. with me. And then I couldn't quite figure out how to time the ending. And I said, you want to like to just take a pop in the ending? I'll just go get something to eat. Whoa. What does that mean when you say that? Is he just like in the room? Yeah, with the editor. Yeah. And I said like I, you know, because as I'd seen, it's in the supermarket. And at the end of the movie, Sandler pulls out these notes that he wrote some jokes for Seth, which we all know if an older comedian wrote you a joke when you're young comedian. That's crazy. Sure.

It's very rare that they're going to do something, and that was like a sign that he was apologizing, and that he wanted to be friends with him. But I couldn't figure out the song or when to cut to the credits, and there was a song we were thinking about comedy tonight. You know, that song? Something Familiar Comedy Tonight.

It's from the old Larry Gilbart play with Zero Mistel in it. People will know. But anyway, so I left, and then he he cut it and it looked exactly like a Paul Thomas Anderson movie oh no I mean it literally was like oh I could just give you my footage yeah and your point of view is so clear and strong I would love to see the Paul Thomas Anderson 40 year old virgin yeah I mean it kind of blew my mind I'm like wait this feels like him just like you know he edited to the music on an offbeat right and then cut the black and like earlier than I would have and and It was a real lesson in the power of those choices. It's like when a comic gives you a tag, but it's entirely in their voice.

I can't use that. And that's risky. Giving your movie to him and that's like leaving your wife with Idris Elba. You might not come back. I know. But did you kind of go back and tweak it and make it your own? Well, it's funny is I tested it in a version similar to that. And the movie was really long.

It got longer. Maybe it was like two hours and like maybe. like 22 minutes. Yeah, yeah. So when you're doing that, do you're like, I gotta get this under, too, or you're like, whatever? Well, I'm always like, I'm okay at like 210. Like, I know people want it to be 145, 150,

and I'm like, you know what, relax? Where you're going? What do you gotta get home to? Do you ever regret it, or are you always like, no, fuck it, it was right? I never regret it only in the sense that I never have people like 10 years later say that it was too long.

I think it's like a movie theater experience because like when you're in a theater, you're kind of antsy, but most people watch it at home anyway, and they pause and take a piss and have a sandwich. And so it's not the ongoing debate. It's just what does it take to get to know the characters. And so I tested it, and it tested the highest it ever tested.

You know, so you ask the crowd, how many people, out of 300 people, think this movie is excellent or very good. And that's like the number. And if you can be in like the 80s or above, you're pretty good. And it was tested really high, but then I still cut like 10, 12 minutes out of it. And sometimes I regret that.

Sure. There was a scene where he goes back to work at the end of the movie and you see Samler on a movie set and he's making a hot dog eating competition movie and you kind of see him kind of hating his life making this movie that he doesn't like and I'm the director and I'm trying to get him to eat six hot dogs in one take I'm like I just want to do a oneer where you eat when we could see you eat six hot dogs we just have to get it once and it's just him going I just had leukemia I ate six hot dogs and it's me trying to trick him into giving me one take and it was a pretty funny scene but the movie was just it was just too long so funny all that's gone all that's just on a cutter room floor wow well we wrote a movie and they were close to getting this thing made and they keep saying cut it cut it down shorten it short and so we had to get but the problem was we fucking they wanted it longer originally so we're like 120 and we're like this is too fucking long for what this movie is right yeah and then they're like it needs to be a hundred and we're like You made us write 120. Oh, we padded it. So we cut it down. I didn't want to good place.

Yeah, but these quiffs with their notes. You've got to keep applying their notes. You're like, you're making us cut jokes. Well, that's part of the joke. We were pretty good about keeping the joke. I mean, that's part of what the book is about because, you know, I wanted the book to also be about all of the failures and everything that went wrong and why it went wrong. So I put in all the pilots that didn't get picked up, all the shows that were canceled.

Right. and just talked about where I handled it wrong because, you know, there's an art to getting notes and having a conversation and not wanting to be upset with the people giving you the notes because, you know, usually some of them are good, some of them aren't. And so can you have that conversation

without losing your mind, without losing a temper? Right, right. What's the worst you lost, do you think? I mean, I started out really bad because I got advice that I misinterpreted as a kid where this friend of mine was running in living color and I was doing the Ben Stiller show and he just said to me, he goes,

don't change anything for them because if they screw up your pilot and it's bad because of their notes, they'll never apologize to you. They'll never say we screwed up your pilot. So don't change anything for them that you don't want to change because you only get one shot at it.

And I really took that in for years and was very resistant. And so sometimes when we were doing the Ben Stiller show, the executive who's usually like a mid-level guy and he's getting notes from his boss and he gets in trouble if I don't do them and he'll have all this laundry list of notes, a lot of which will ruin everything we're trying to do.

And I just remember once I'm like, well, I'm doing nothing. I said, I'm doing none of them. What happens now? Ooh, and? We got canceled. You know, I did. Because there's nothing worse.

With the people you're working with, like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Well, they were private conversations. But, yeah, we did have that feeling like, did Judge just screw all this up? Because right when the Ben Stiller shows started, the head of the network changed. So it went from someone who loved it to someone who didn't. Right. And then I was like, well, why would you take notes for someone who doesn't like it at all?

Yeah. So he's going to tweak it, but he doesn't like it. Yeah. And so I was very resistant. Why don't these execs ever get fired? You always hear the guy was like... They do. They get fired constantly.

Do they? I took a show out to people we pitch you were different like six months later. Oh, okay. They're getting fired constantly. That's probably why they're living in such fear, I think. I guess so. Yeah. You know, I've been lucky, like, in movies, the people I've worked with I've worked with for like 18 years.

And so we know each other and they're really smart and the notes are really good. And I realize, oh, you have to find the people that get you. Yeah. Because that's most of it. Like, if you wind him selling something to someone that doesn't. and get the joke, it's very painful. And if you find people who are really smart, like the people in Universal have been so smart,

like they've given me tough notes that have been correct. And so we like, we get each other and we can have an honest conversation. Got it. It's very difficult to break into that world now, I think. I mean, not that it was easy back then, but like I think right now it's like we're finding like, wow, this is pretty crazy.

I mean, you know, I wrote a show that we got Brian Cox attached to. We struck out everywhere with him on the fucking pitches. And now it's like we have to go, you know, independent financing, which we're going to, which is he'll be fine. But it's like, I'm like, this fucking Brian Cox. Yeah, I know. But it's always been that way, like, it's always been intense that way where you feel like you're in this environment where you're trying to be creative. Everything is an experiment.

Yeah. I think it works. But how do I know? I'm only going on like a gut instinct. But if you challenge me too much, I might lose touch with the part of me that gets why it works. Sure. And so, like, as it shifts, I might lose it. Yes.

And so I'm trying to figure out, like, when should I listen? When should I not listen? Because I might lose the thread at some point. And that's the dance. And some people understand that. Yeah. But if you're really nervous about your gig and your boss is mad at you and your last TV show got canceled, you might get different kinds of notes.

That's true. And none of us have had, like, the therapy or, you know, the training to know that that's such a deletion. conversation like if someone went through your act and just said I'm gonna tell you which of your jokes are good which aren't like you want to throttle them like your instant thing is like to be a protector right and and but especially when it's a comic you don't respect yeah I'm like oh you didn't like that one yeah have you seen your act I know I know that's always weird but at least now we have the advantage of because Tom Segura was in here and he's pitched he sold some show what's it called bad bad things something like that bad thoughts it's a wild show it's

dark, it's gory, it's sexy, gross. And he goes, I pitched this, they hated it, they never gave me the time of day. Then I shot it. I spent all the money, and then I brought it back and they sold it, or they bought it in the room. It's literally what we had to do with our comedy specials, but shows and movies now. But, you know, there's people that want to get it. It's fun to make stuff, and there's people that want to get into this game as investors. I mean, it's not doable.

Yeah, you've got to prove it a little bit now. You have to find new paths and use the technology because it's cheaper to make things. Yeah. I mean, it's hard with movies because there's all sorts of costs that you would ever assume or there. But if you're scrappy, you can make cool comedy things. When I started out, what were you going to do, get like a super eight camera? But you know, with a canon camera, you can make a movie.

Lena Dunham's first movie, she made for 50 grand on just a canon, like a camera anyone would have. And it looked great. She just had an amazing cinematographer, Jody Lee Lipes, who went on to do girls. and it launched her career. So I feel like now we need people to have the energy to just make stuff down and dirty the way like Swingers was made or clerks or something.

Yes, yes. Clerks is a great example too. I mean, because it's so dialogue-driven. Yeah. Right. And you talk about horror movie, it's like, okay, well, if it's psychological, it's gonna be a lot of dialogue, right?

So get back to writing good dialogue, I think that's really the thing. I think all our movies got a lot of that. It's very dialogue, heavy. It's all jokes. You go to a couple big things in where they're like, do we need a, yacht for the scene and we're like yes non-negotiable yeah well you know we did that with pineapple express because we knew we had a limited amount of money we wanted it to feel like an action movie

but we didn't have an action movie budget right so if you know if you watch it the opening scene is set and franco getting high for like 11 minutes you know and then you know there's a little like you know someone gets shot and then they get scared and they run in the woods and they're just like alone in the woods high yeah like for another 10 minutes and so and then that saved us enough money to do like one big kind of car chase. Right. But the last part is pretty damn action-heavy. Yeah.

It's like we're saving all the money to blow up the underground, you know, marijuana grow lab. Now, speaking of docs and movies, have you seen the Scorsese doc yet? I just, you know, I leaped to the King of Comedy episode. Oh. That's my favorite movie. That's your number one Scorsese? Yeah, I mean, I know it's my number one Scorsese. Goodfellas, I think, is the one that I probably go back to the most.

And taxi drivers. Yeah. But King of Comedy, I remember when it came out. I literally can remember seeing it in Hicksville. He was right after, like, Reagan got shot. So people got really weirded out by the whole kidnapping thing. But I always loved it. Like, I just was out of my mind for that movie.

And it's funny to hear him talk about it because he was kind of pushed into it by De Niro, but yet he still worked his ass off on it and went deep with it and it's held up. Kind of like what Warren Beatty was saying, like these movies that at the time were completely forgot. forgotten and people didn't get it and then suddenly you're like

yeah King of Comedy is top five Scorsesee yeah that's interesting but didn't people because he said that it's not always true though because it wasn't Bonnie and Clyde critically acclaimed out of the gate? It was that one was yeah that was a big movie and that kind of changed cinema at the time yeah but Scorsese I didn't realize they cover the backlash

he got a ton of backlash for that he got a ton of backlash for taxi driver a ton of backlash for the last temptation of Christ that was real I mean I remember remember that when that movie came out. A guy died. Yeah. They bombed a theater. A guy died. Yeah. I mean, there were protests around the world. Yeah. And then they said, so what'd you do? How'd you

get out of? He goes, I made good fellas. So he just moved on, but he said the most backlash he got was Wolf of Wall Street. Because it was 2013, so it was like, toxic male, problematic, massages. By the way, that's the fucking point. I know. It's like, it was also the birth of social media and like, you know,

cancel shit. So he was like, This is new. Like, I got more shit for this than the Passion of the Christ. Not a temptation of the Christ. So you're like, oh, yeah. This is, oh, new world you're living in now. And he didn't realize that. So that was really interesting to see.

Because people are like, are you celebrating this? Yeah. And so clearly not. I know. But, yeah, that's part of it. It's like you see why people are seduced by that lifestyle. You know, a lot of those people don't take the right message from it. I know.

He can't, you know, he can't hammer them. By the way, this guy's not cool at the end. Right, right. You know, Goodfellas. He ends up at witness protection. Like, is it fun on the rise? Yeah, that's the point. It's supposed to be fun.

A bunch of guys from my high school were part of that. Oh. Jordan Belfort. Wall Street. That place. Wow. Yeah, yeah. A lot of kids in high school got in trouble for stuff like that.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, but it reminded me as a comedian of like when people, you do the joke about the racist guy and they're like, hey, that's racist. You're like, I know, I'm making fun of the hillbilly. That's the he's the punch of the joke. So it was really cool to see Scorsese just go like, yeah, people get mad and moving on. That's what you got to do.

You've got to keep going. Focus on your work, you know. Yeah. Like, is my aunt getting better? Exactly. Is this moving in the right direction? Yeah, you can't worry about it. Right, right.

But really, really great doc. And, boy, the Coke-fueled moments and the depression. He's got like seven wives. He's got 28 kids. It's fascinating. I know. I forgot how intense he. Oh, my God.

Because he's so mellow now. I mean, mellow comparatively to what he was then. But just that he's literally going to kill himself because he's, he feels uninspired to make a movie. I know. Right. I know. And he had Goodfellas and temptation.

Like, I just want to make those two movies. That's all I want to do. And everybody's like, why do you want to make this shit? And then he does it and it's great. But the fact that he had asthma in Greenwich Village or Little Italy and his dad took him to the movies because it had air conditioning. Wow. That's then he's like, this is it.

So just the stars aligning. I mean, so cool. And the fact that he meets Paul Schrader. I mean, that guy's like perfect for his writing. It's like sometimes you just meet the right person. Like Keith Richards met Mick Jagger. Right. People, sometimes you just, the stars align.

And De Niro lived down the street on Grand Street, just at the same air. I mean, the whole thing's bananas. That's like when I was, you know, doing the book and laying it all out and thinking about all the stories. You do go, yeah, it's weird like Adam McKay and Will Ferrell connected. Yeah. I forgot you did Anchorman. Yeah, I produced Anchorman. And Talladega Nights?

Yeah. That's crazy. But just that they. couldn't they wouldn't make it right well they wouldn't make anker man for years they just didn't get it at all and we would just pitch it well you know will and adam you know they wrote one version of it that was like the movie alive oh really where it was like a plane of anchor people going to an anchorman convention so everyone on the plane is uh is an anchor person yeah rodin bergeny wants to fly the plane and they get in this like accident where they hit a they crash got into a FedEx plane

that's filled with chimpanzees and Chinese throwing stars is what they're transporting in the FedEx and then to now they're stuck on the side of a mountain in winter trying to survive and every once in a while they get attacked by the monkeys throwing stars at them and they wrote the funniest thing you've ever read

and no one would make that for a while and then they just started over and wrote another one Well he tapped in it's funny about the toxic masculinity because that's like what that movie is you're tapping into a dude who's just like doesn't like under but that's why it's funny because he's like I'm the shit yeah yeah I'm the greatest no woman's gonna tell me I'm not great and

that's and then of course you get the love story it's it's perfect it's well they were just so ahead of their time in thinking that was a good target and that's something that's bubbling under in this country people like that because they loved making fun of the arrogant idiot man yeah blissfully unaware is funny of course that's what Kramer is he comes in he thinks he's the coolest guy but he's a dufus he's a hipster doofus but yeah yeah that movie I saw it once with a couple friends in college we didn't really get it and then we saw it again and we loved it

it was the weirdest movie but I still quote it yeah it's some it's I mean just to watch them shoot it like I think part of like the comedy nerd thing is I sometimes feel like I only did things to have access like yeah only by making decent movies can I get to the places where I want to just watch them

make the movie. Sure. So as a kid, I would just, my dream would be, we want to watch the Marks Brothers or somebody make a movie. So Anchorman, to me, is like the childhood dream come true, just sitting on set, watching them shoot afternoon delight. Right. But I have to be good enough to get the credibility to be there.

Right, right. It's like going a home heck for the girls. Exactly. Wow, man, yeah. That's Will Ferrell really in his element. I guess all those movies, Talting at Nights is amazing. He's locked in. Sasha Baron Cohen is great in that.

Oh, man. Wow. Right in there. Right in the thick of it. I mean, bridesmaids, too, is like, yes. I mean, so many good jokes.

I rewatched it recently on a flight, and I was like, holy shit. I remember liking this a lot, but it's even funnier than I remember. Yeah. Ham is such a piece of shit. Oh, yeah. Melissa McCarthy.

They're so funny, all of them. It's like, yeah, it's great. And it was one of those, like, this is a funny women, but it was just a funny movie. You know? And everybody had to put this women label on it. It was just good.

Well, that's why it's like, let's do Lady Ghostbuzzlers. How about fucking make an original script like that? Just make original movies. Yeah. Well, no one was thinking that it even was a female-driven comedy. It was just, I saw Kristen Wigg, like, literally the first episode of S&L that she was on, and she scored so much on the first episode. Whoa.

And I just thought, oh, this is, she's one of the greats. Yep. And so she was in knocked up. She played Catherine Higel's boss, like one of the bosses in that scene where they tell to like tighten it up. Yeah, yeah. With Alan Tudick. And so we were always like, what can we do with her?

And then her and Annie Mummolo, they kept talking about how they're invited to all of these weddings. And they're sometimes in other cities. And, you know, they don't have enough money to be a part of it. Yeah. Because they're getting more and more expensive. And then they grinded for like four years on the script. And that's why it's good. It's just because the two of them.

And then later when Paul Feig came on to direct, they just did not stop trying to make it better. It wasn't tossed off. They really obsessed. And then also, you know, when I think about like when did I have a good instinct? Every once in a while, it's a very simple thing that, you know, Chris and Wigg really feels like she knows her world of comedy and which of her friends are great. And I think that Paul and I just got behind that in like a big way. And so when you watch it, it feels like a troop.

Yeah. Because it's everyone that Kristen loves, you know. Right. She was just completely right when she would bring in people like, you know, Melissa McCarthy. She was great. Yeah. It was also funny because at the time, I remember, I knew, I think Rose Byrne from that show, Damages on FX.

I was like, oh, she's a good actress. I didn't know she could do comedy that one. She played it so straight, and it's like, you need that in a movie. Sometimes, like, when it's all comedians, like, no, you need the one non-comic in there sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, we used to watch her on damages and loved her. That was a cool show. I don't know.

Glenn Close. Yeah. She's a badass on that show. Then she played Russell Brand's ex-wife in Get Em to the Greek. Oh, really? It was so funny. I don't know if I saw that one. Yeah.

Oh, that was big. Does that Jonah Hill Story true that he was discovered by Dustin Hoffman? I think so. I think the first thing he did was I heart Huckabees, maybe. Ah. Wow. All right. Yeah, the rumor is he was in an open mic, and Dustin Hoffman was there watching

daughter oh i don't know maybe give that a goog i don't know i heard that that's uh whisper network it sounds familiar okay and now he's now he's great yeah all right sorry i'm locked in on this jonah hell thing pick up judge's new book oh it's true does it's say he says he didn't discover but his son oh shit damn it jake did i thought it said did okay my fault glad we uh thank god for a i yeah you're using the a i i Oh, he's dating his daughter. Oh, that's 2012. We're bad at the news on the show.

AI is very behind. It's scraping old information. Get Judd's new book comedy nerd. It's awesome. It's really, see, his body of work really, really cool. And it's cool pictures and cool stories. Oh, yeah. And you've got your first time doing stand-up in there.

I mean, you've got so much great archival stuff. You know, one thing I found in there that I was so excited to find that Rick Messina the great manager, they found it was just an incredible picture of Eddie Murphy doing stand-up when he's 20 years old on Long Island at East Side. Wow.

That's the thing, like when you started re-channel, like, who's got cool stuff? Yeah. And there was all these pictures from East Side, which was the great comedy club in Huntington.

I was a dishwasher as a kid in high school. They're in the theater there, too, Paramount. That's a sick theater. Yeah, I haven't played that. Oh, it's sick. That's great.

It's a gorgeous. Huntington's kind of like this weird hidden gem. It's got that strip of bars on it. Yeah, I think Walt Whitman's from there. That's true. I went to Walt Whitman Elementary School. Hey, I'm back.

All right. There you go. Long Island. What's going on in the water at Long Island? Long Island's gotten so weird. It's just the... Well, I'm not saying I'm talking to the comedy. It's like Howard Stern, Jerry Seinfeld, you, Eddie Murphy.

Oh, I thought you were talking about all the serial killers. Oh. It's got a little... Billy Joel. It's got a little everything. Well, when I was a kid, I thought like, oh, maybe I could be in comedy because so many people were from Long Island. Yeah.

And so you would see, you know, Seinfeld and people like that and just go like, oh, I feel like I'm kind of like that a little bit. Yeah. Remember when Seinfeld gets off stage at Governors and comedian? He's like, it's like another country. I'm like, holy shit, I've never related to a quote more. I've taken some fucking L's.

That's really Alabama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's really like governors is like... Governors is where I started. It can be... Wow. And back then, the open mic night, a lot of times

was hosted by this hilarious comedian, John Mulrooney. I've heard of it. And John, you know, it was like a Rickles-esque act but with like a tough, you know, I don't know if he was in Brooklyn, but he had that kind of like energy. And he would really mix it up with the crowd.

It would get like hilariously ugly. Yeah. But he was hosting an open mic, so then he would kill and destroy the crowd, humiliate them, then you would get up and the crowd thought, oh, we're supposed to yell at the comedian. And then we couldn't handle it

and then the crowd would take us down. We have that now with the crowdwork comics. Everybody's trying to get a clip. So they go, hey, where are you from? homo look at this douche and then you go up there and you're like so uber's weird and they're like boo that's boring yeah just do it on your own show i know we've been away so we do have to mention this diane keaton uh the best the best so great r i p did you work with her i didn't but i was telling someone that i went to a party once and i got there really early and me and her were the only

people there and so i got like a great half hour wow how was the sex you're talking about But there's a lot of, she was talking about, like, architecture or something. But she was so funny and kind of, like, what you think she would be. Yeah. She really was just unique and hilarious and very cool. And when you watch the stuff, you know, because there's all these things online of her. She's just so interesting. Yeah.

Like, there's a great clip going around of her on the Kobe Rappore. And it's just so funny and charming her with him and they're, like, flirting. and, you know, check it out, see what do you think. Yeah, Woody Allen said, I didn't care what the critics say. I just would try to get her approval. It was all about Diane Keaton. Yeah, I mean, Annie Hall, even played against Sam is so good. And then all those Woody Allen, love and death.

Yeah, sleeper. Baby boom. Manhattan murder mystery. Oh, yeah. She was all. Shoot the moon. Godfather. The Godfather.

I mean, that's crazy to be in Annie Hall and the godfather. That's a big. The two most different. Right. Well, she said you couldn't really get work. Everyone else was getting working because she was considered more of kind of an odd bird and then they put her in the Godfather and that's what changed everything But before that they thought she wasn't traditional enough Right, right

But that's why she was great But also you know apparently the costume designer and Annie Hall I hated her because she's like I don't want her to wear this shit You're making me look bad, but then it becomes iconic Right, and I never heard that Yeah, and it's uh you look at that and you're like it's funny. I'd see a girl out in like a like a hat like that an outfit and I'm like that's hot and you're like oh yeah Because I probably got my first boner to Annie Hall when I was like 12. You know, because she was like weird

and she was like the hot but like kind of cool. Quarky. Yeah, and like clever. I mean, the banter in Annie Hall is insane. They're so good together. I mean, in a way, there's really no precedent for that before her. No.

That type of character. Sure. You know, maybe Shirley McLean in something like the apartment. Oh, that's a great one too. Fun fact, Shirley McLean said she couldn't keep up with Warren Beatty's needs. Wait, no, are they sisters?

It's a sister. Oh, sorry. I'm thinking of a... Mark's really, he's really roughing it on the news this episode. Joan Collins, who did he date? I think Joan Collins. All right, that's the one. He dated Diane Keaton, too.

Is that right? Yeah. Wow, good for her. I went to go see Diane Keaton shoot something with Warren Beatty was his movie called Town and Country. And it was, just everything was going wrong. It was supposed to be like a 45, 50-day shoot. It's like day 95.

Oh, shit. Everyone's getting crazy. Gary Shanling was in it, and he's like going to come. And so I go to this house, and they're shooting in this, like, small room in a house. And they're like, oh, go by the monitor. And you know when, like, you're in a space and, like, they're working and you shouldn't be watching at their monitor. Right. So I'm really, like, uncomfortable.

And Warren Beatty's doing the scene with Diane Keaton. And then, you know, they yell cut. And I, like, try to slip out of the room. And as I'm, like, exiting the room, Warren Beatty just goes, that bad? you say you won't know for 10 years yeah damn dude yeah

there it is town and country Warren Brady what a hunk yeah so was he a cool guy Warren so nice yeah he was very nice and I remember he did the very last episode of the Larry Sanders show that's right the joke was that Larry

bumps in to him in a parking lot and asks him if he'll be a guest on the very like the final episode of the Larry Sanders show and the joke is that he's pitching it like can you do it really mean a lot to me it's a big deal we've been on for so long and this is the last one and your career means so much to me and that Warren Beatty just goes no and then just drives away and so like it's all set up everyone thinks he's going to be late

he's not late yeah everyone thinks he's going to want a zillion takes he doesn't but they just pulls me aside and he goes explain this joke to me why is this funny and I go I don't know you're Warren Beatty and like you're so much better than this dumb talk show and why would this guy ever think that you would do it right and then you're just like yeah no I'm not doing this and he's like okay get it yeah but he's doing it so that's fun that's a good meta thing about it was like but he is fucking Warren Beatty and he is doing it I don't know it's yeah he should like Larry Sanders and that world I think I don't know yeah no it's also cool to see Oh, there it is.

I feel like he never really did a comedy, really. He did Bullworth. Oh, Bullworth. Yeah, Bullworth. And, you know, Heaven Can Wait is one of the great comedies. And then, you know, Ishtar, which doesn't totally work. But the first half is pretty funny. Is it?

There is some funny stuff. Isn't that movie get Elaine May, like, kind of, like, not give her a shot for a while? I guess it was very expensive, and they shot in the desert. Right, right. But it definitely has way more great stuff than I would think in the first half. That was the go-to punchline for a while. yes that and shampoo yeah and shampoo kind of a dark comedy yeah yeah yeah it's not great I know people love it I it's many things are of their moment yeah I think you're right I think

you're right but if you grew up during the Nixon administration you would really McCabe and Miss Miller holds up that's incredible all right well get the book folks get the book get the book get the comedy nerd book but RIP I know we're late on it because we were in Europe but RIP Diane Keaton the best we loved her all right And much like an Appetal movie, this is going long. I'm going to show you how it's done right now. We're going to linger. Let me call Paul Thomas.

Great to see you, dude. Yeah, see you guys. Good stuff. Thanks for coming in. Comedy. You're going to plug this? Oh, yeah, good idea. Hey, I'll be in San Diego, California.

Two shows at the Observatory in North Park. Then Pryor Lake in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That's a casino. Then we got Kansas City going back to the clubs to build a new hour. Des Moines Funny Bone Braia at the Bray Improv And boy Oh boy

Spirit Mountain Casino Making a cash grab there Oregon I guess New Brunswick back at the stress factory San Antonio Tulsa And Arizona And Indiana

Indianapolis Buffalo The list goes on Go to my website It's all there What do you got Fannie? I got I meant wise guys November 14th through 16th

my second time at the club this year. I love that club. And I'm in Reno Nevada at the Atlanta Casino, two shows, November 29th. I'm not there for money. I'm excited to be in Reno, Thanksgiving weekend. And then December 4th, Carnegie Hall. I'm going to add a bunch.

Whoa. Yeah, I'll see you there. I'm going to add a bunch more stuff early next year. I got to get on it. I'm going to figure that out. But, yeah, a lot of cities this year. I saw him in Carnegie Hall. Oh, that's right.

Jimmy Carr. Jimmy Car show. I should have gone to that. Yeah, it was a fucking bail. It was a fun time. All right, well, thanks, gang. Thank you. You got any dates?

You'll be on the road? What's this run? This runs November 16th? I have no dates. All right. No Brooks dark in January. There we go. Oh, that'll be good.

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Sunday's a day for my next fender. A bit of fever wreck. You know the fear choose close. I've had a little too much. Munch bourbon and Norman's talking shit about the fucking poke and I get down in the same way Up on the roof like a cop's coming and naked Samuel is feeling dangerous I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans this woman doesn't look like I remember her and I get down in the same way be true