We Might Be Drunk - Louis C.K. w/ Mark Normand & Sam Morril - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

Louis C.K. joins We Might Be Drunk to celebrate his brand-new Netflix special and dive into one of the most movie-obsessed conversations we've ever had. Louis, Mark, and Sam break down everything from filmmaking and directing to bombing in comedy clubs, building new material, and what separates great comics from everyone else. Along the way they recommend dozens of incredible films—from Hollywood classics to hidden foreign masterpieces—and explain why these movies have stuck with them for years. If you're looking for your next great movie, this episode is packed with recommendations. Movies & TV mentioned (roughly in order): Broadchurch Doctor Who Sherlock (BBC) Elementary Billy Madison Ali Manhunter Thief The Insider Inside Man 25th Hour Malcolm X She's Gotta Have It Jungle Fever He Got Game Get on the Bus Clockers Exotica Out of the Blue Society of the Snow Alive Children of Men Parasite The Host Memories of Murder Early Spring (Yasujirō Ozu) All That Jazz Another Round The Age of Innocence Don't Look Now Death Wish Hard Times The Magnificent Seven To Be or Not to Be Decision Before Dawn Plus stories about Louie, Lucky Louie, Shameless, Chris Rock, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, bombing on purpose, and why Louis believes great comedy starts where most comics get uncomfortable. Support Our Sponsors Whisker – Litter-Robot Get $50 OFF bundles with promo code WMBD: https://www.litter-robot.com/WMBD Shopify Sign up for your $1/month trial: https://shopify.com/drunk Follow Louis C.K. Netflix Special: https://www.netflix.com/ Tour Dates & Tickets: https://louisck.com/ Follow Mark & Sam Mark Normand https://marknormandcomedy.com/ Sam Morril https://www.sammorril.com/ Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6xzkW8T4s6mE0iM1k4mP9K Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wemightbedrunkpod/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wemightbedrunkpod Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@WeMightBeDrunkClips Produced by Gotham Production Studios Need a professional podcast studio in New York City? 🎙 Gotham Production Studios https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com/ Recording • Video • Editing • Livestreaming • Remote Guests Like, subscribe, and leave a comment letting us know which movie recommendation you're watching first! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, you take it. That was terrible. Just roll with it. We're here, we're queer. My legs are freezing. Yeah, it's cold. But yeah, good to have it. We've got Louis C.K., everybody.

Let's cookin. Hot new special on Netflix. Louis, you're back on Netflix, man. I'm back on Netflix starting today this morning. I don't know, midnight. I don't know when they put it on. Yeah. It was on when I woke up.

How does it feel like as opposed to, like, thrown on your website? I mean, it's only been a few hours, but it's nice because it's a lot of my outside the fence more. Yeah. Folks can wander over. Right. You know what I mean? It's global.

And it's all over the world, yeah. So was my website, but it was a closed circuit. Right. And so it's nice. People can stumble on it. I know some people's algorithm won't give it to them. But, you know. That's true.

You ever see someone else's algorithm at their house? You're like, what the hell is this shit? Spanish singing. Yeah, it's crazy. Indian movies. Yeah, for a while I was on my dad's Netflix, and I would just stumble. And I'd be like, you and my mom are watching weird shit.

Yeah. It's all just like Korean drama type stuff. Yes. It's funny. Korean and you said Spanish and Indian. My mom goes all British, like, cop show. Oh, yeah, those are good. Like, like, Happy Valley or something?

You ever see that one? What do you call it? The one that's a town's name and it's really morose. and dark. They're all morose and dark and boring. I hate it. Broad Church, that was one? Brought Church. That was a good one. I like those. Really good. What's his name? David? Something or other is in that?

Yeah. Then he was a Doctor Who. My kids got into Doctor Who, so I watched Doctor Who for a while. People loved Doctor Who. I don't know what Doctor Who is. I've never seen a minute. I don't know. Yeah, they're different Doctor Who's? Okay. Yeah, so Doctor Who's a, it's actually not a guy. That's not the person's name. It's the name of the show. He's just called The Doctor.

and he's the guy who lives in a telephone booth that's really big inside, and he travels through time. Really? Yeah. Oh, okay. You could be fucking with us, sure. No, it's what it's about, but it's a movie. It was a TV show back in the 50s.

It used to be in black and white in Britain, and every few years he dies. Okay. Because they don't pay the actors very much, and then he regenerates as a new person. So there's been a lot of people that have played the doctor. And the newest doctor who's have all been like a new, like a new general also once in a while the show dies and then it comes back with a new group of writers and producers and a new cluster of actors yeah so those are some of the doctors wow so it's almost like a james bond thing yeah so that guy down there he's david what the fuck is his name

david tenant was a great doctor and so was uh who's too fret down from him the woman's pretty good too peter capaldi's really good matt smith i wasn't that into okay and then if you go go Can you see the first one? Wow. So many. The first one was in black and, well, the first one I saw was the guy, he's holding an orange and red thing. Oh, yeah.

He was the first one. I remember when I was a kid. Is that Aloubel? Aloubel. He was the first one. Aloubel. Look up any iterations. This is crazy.

Do your kids turn you on to a lot of shows? Yeah, yeah, they like what they watch. I like a lot of what they watch. But this one was, you know, it was pretty cool. Anyway, how did we end up talking about Dr. Who? I don't know. This is interesting. I've never gotten up the bottom.

Broadchurch. Algorithms. Broadchurch, yeah. Broadchurch, yes. She also loves that Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, Sherlock Holmes with Benadim Gumberblah. Yes, yes. Yes. And Martin Freeman, who I love from the office. Oh, the blonde guy. He's good. Yeah, he's great and a lot of stuff.

Yeah, that was a great Sherlock Holmes rendition. Yes, it was. It was fucking clever as hell. Yes. Really well filmed, really taught. Mm-hmm. Because we did one in America called Elementary. and it wasn't as good. It was like a CBS show. That's true.

It had that CSI look, that kind of cloudy beige look I hate. Exactly what you mean. I hate that too. Yeah. Well, we're doing a movie, and we're trying to... All the movies now look shitty, I think. Yeah, they all look too dark. Don't you think?

Which movie is like... Like a mainstream movie. I feel like every movie is like tinted a little too dark now. I don't know. Yeah. Well, the places that put out the images for promo they're all the same. They do everybody's.

Oh. It's like there's only a few publicists. So like remember when Chris got slapped by Will Smith? Oh, yeah. Of course. So there's only at that elite level of all the people that were in the room, there's only like two publicists. I don't know who they are at this point.

But you know that, but everybody has like two of the same. Yeah. So they all thought really quickly, I think, during the commercial break. Like, wait a minute, we're not sure. They're both black. It's what, you know.

And so all of the stars just tweeted, but you can't say nothing. So all the stars tweeted like, did you see that? Like they just- Quick, have no take. Just registering surprise. Right.

Oh, wow. Yeah. That happened. They all said, so you know there's one public sister, maybe two, they're like, you got to just be surprised.

Don't have a take. That's hilarious. This is how we do this. But so all these images you see of movies now are sort of, samey because that's what's registering is I think it's probably the thumbnails that are making things look the way they do now and they probably did some focus group and they're like people respond to this yeah but I don't like when like for a horror movie I get it for a comedy you don't want a dark looking no you want like a light comedy yeah exactly want some levity there some good colors like a Billy Madison yeah so it was like bright it was bright not a fan you don't like it great I'm not saying, I'm just saying it's, uh, it looked good. Terrific.

You're taking people out this episode, dude. Between Matt Smith? Not the Sandman. Yeah. Have you ever actually had a conversation with Chris about that slap? No, I don't want to talk about that. It's his story. It's not my story to tell.

Should hold the cup with two hands. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he slapped me. He shouldn't have done that. It was wrong. Agreed. It was this pawn. punk move.

Agreed. A punk slap. The idea that it was chivalry was really offensive. Because if you are, if you're that guy, that British... He's a glove. You say, well, you say, put your hands up. Oh. You say you're in a fight now.

A duel. You don't walk up like this and... Right. And you're twice as big as the guy. Not about twice. Well... He's big, dude. He's...

We could do the heights. Chris is very... Well, heights is one thing. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, you're taller than me. Yeah. But at my age, still, I could kick the shit out of it.

I don't think he could. Let's do it right now. I like your bit, though, about how old is 58? Uh-huh. And you're like, it's old enough that I could, you're talking to the 11-year-old. I could kick your ass, but it would hurt me too. I'd get hurt, too. Yeah, yeah, that's a great line.

It wouldn't be a clean fuck up. He's 5'10. I bet I'm going to go Will Smith 6-2 if I had to guess. He's got a hundred pounds. He played Muhammad Ali in a movie. So he's shaky? Yeah. All right.

Well, he's dead now. Oh, good boy. Yeah. Nice. That was not a good movie. Did you see this? No. Ali?

Well, I like Michael Mann. He's like one of my favorites ever, but I just don't like them. He did you ever see Man Hunter? Dude, it's the best. Diving through the fucking glass window is the coolest. With my buddy Tom Noonan is the bad guy. He's amazing. Died recently.

Yeah. Great. Great. I mean, thief. And I think they're read. doing um thief is incredible the reef is a gorgeous looking movie it's beautiful that's one of the most

amazing like the wet streets and the blue yes yes yes yeah that's seen in the diner too when he just talks about like needy nothing to lose like that is like that could be any other career it's incredible that could be like comedy or whatever you mean the way he describes prison yeah and he's like I needed to have

nothing to lose to be great and you're like oh that's fucking cool it is it is a little thing about life they don't make movies like that anymore And Willie Nelson. Oh, yeah. Look at him. Get me out of here, brother.

James Con is so cool in that movie. That movie is astonishingly good. And it's violent as fuck. Sure. Oh, my God. Even some of the deaths. Like, the guy who plays the main bad guy. So good.

The thing is, they used to have off-type guys like that. Like, uh... What do you mean? In other words, you didn't get a guy like this. I'm the mob guy. It's this sort of fat Irishman. Oh. He looks like Santa Claus.

Yeah, he looks sweet. But he's a sweet-looking guy, but he is, he puts him in a, in a, he puts, James Belushi in a vat of acid and melts his body. Yeah. But he's like nice about it. He's like, well, I'm going to do this now. I'm sorry. You should not have done that.

Oh, my God, the scene when he tries to adopt a kid too and they won't let him, and he's like, I'll take a black one. I'll take a, I'll even take a black one. That's a different time. Yep. That movie, you know, it's also so underrated. The Insider, Michael Mann, great movie. Insider's great.

Amazing movie. Oh, so good. Al Pacino, but also just the backdrop of Al Pacino playing a 60 Minutes producer. Yeah. A great movie. Classic. Also, Inside. Who's the one that's kind of similar feeling, kind of dark and gritty with the word inside in it?

Spike Lee. Inside Man. Side, man. Great fucking cool movie. That's his best movie, I think. Do you think so? Yeah. Spike is, I mean, Spike gets and gets a lot of ideas of what he wants to do in life, but he's a great fucking director.

Oh, yeah. Like, he's a great, like if you took any movie and you, a great script, just a tight script, and you just hired Spike. This movie is so fucking good. So good. Clive Owen was great in that. Jody Foster, fucking Christopher Plummer, one of his best roles in a long film. Oh, yeah. William Defoe's great in it

Oh yeah Huge hog Yeah Yeah They have to do CGI sometimes No that's not true They did a replacement Pull it up

That's me That's you Are you sending me up for that one? No Oh shit I forgot out the bit Yeah That movie's a fun one I love 25th hour too

I think that's a really cool one I don't think I saw it Oh yeah I had Norris I liked Philips Cmore Hoffman Mobetta Blues I liked Yeah I never saw that one

Malcolm X Do the right thing Malcolm X is great The right thing I didn't love The first one She's got to have it's great What's the one Fucking jungle fevers

Really? Oh yeah Didn't say it Gotta say it Great He did poetic justice Which I jerked off to Once

Oh girl six Was the one I jerked off to Because she was a tall girl He got games I love he got game It's great And get on the bus It's great

Clockers is fucking. Clockers is another example. I've never seen that. Oh, you got to see Clockers. Okay. So good. John Tituro's

Oh, wow. Fucking, that guy. Do you know what I watched? You know what I watched the other day that I'd never seen 90s movie Exotica? Awesome.

I don't know. Have you heard of this? No. This movie, yeah, right here. A definite wreck. Okay. I don't know this one. I've never heard of them.

It's really, it's like, kind of a slow burn. You don't know what's happening. Yeah, it's in a strip club. But it's like all these weird people and you don't know how they really know each other connect and it kind of slowly comes together. It's really cool.

Okay. Adam Magoyan. Oh, Adam Agoyan. He made a movie about a bus full of kids going through the ice. Yeah. No, you're right, though. Yeah, I didn't see it.

And it was the second movie like that. Really? Because Dennis Hopper made one. Wow. out of the blue. He's a wild dude. Yeah. Also dead. Yeah. Damn. He died? He sure did. Such a good bad guy.

Hot shot. Pop quiz, asshole. Yeah. You know who's good with the off-type casting is Troult, Quentin Tarantino. He'll cast any, like, Travolta as a hitman guy is kind of crazy. That was really smart. But it worked. It really did. He has a lot of those where you're like, that guy, really? He is great vision. When you had Louis, was that one of the most fun things? you're like, I'm just going to put someone,

like I get to cast Charles Groton. Yeah, once we started being able to get people, it was really cool. I mean, I liked it before, too, when we were just, because New York has a huge, like, theater community and people that are just laying around who have huge skill. And, but yeah, when we could start going, like,

like Michael Rappaport was one of my favorite. Oh, really? As a cop. Yeah, as the cop. He was fucking great. And David Lynch, I mean, you know. That was a great. That was a great three.

And then at the same time, fucking Doug Stanhope out of the, you know, the Village Lantern. Yeah, and he was great. I might have been my favorite guest performance of the whole show. Stanhope was so good, dude. Going to the open mic? Yeah. With fighting with Greg Rogel? Yes.

Yeah. That was great, right? That was awesome. That was a documentary. Yeah. What about the Robin Williams? Oh, yeah. That was a great one with the funeral.

And Big Jay. That was really something. Yeah. Big Jay was in the show. I've messaged you when I'm like, rewatched it before. I've messed you when I was rewatching Louis. Yeah, yeah. I just miss, there aren't that many New York shows like that anymore.

It, like, captured a kind of New York that isn't often captured. Yeah, we were shooting on the streets pretty barely, like, without much support, you know, so we got to really see the city the way it felt then. Mm-hmm. Bobby Kelly. Bovey was great, played my brother. Oh, Pamela Adelon, great in the show. It was great in the show.

I love that episode where you're trying to. sleep in the morning you're trying to sleep in and there's a bunch of garbage happening the garbage men are being too loud and then eventually they come in and then they're on the bed that is quality comedy you keep you keep escalate the other one I love is when you're you missed the flight and the woman keeps explaining why you're like oh what happened in the plane and you're not allowed to be upset when you find out where she says uh everyone died except for one baby except for one baby it's just like oh that's yeah that that's like you you tapped into shit that we feel all the time as New Yorkers and Road comics.

Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, that was pure fun. Apparently after that, people said, I want the Louis deal. That was a thing in TV. And it died in a year. No one's getting that deal. I mean, the thing is I had a lot of training as a filmmaker, so I was just, you know, I had directed a lot, so I knew how to do it.

That was what it all rested on. I didn't need a lot of supervision and stuff because I actually knew how to, some guys, when they have their first show, they actually have to learn how to do it. So they need help. Well, it was cool. I remember being an open micer, and you would tweet, hey, I'm going to be at the comedy cellar at 4, free soda. Yeah.

And you give a free Coke, and I was broke, and I would go, drink Cokes. And you would do a set at the cellar with the steady cam guy, up your ass, on the stage and everything. And that was all, I had to leave work for that. It's funny because those shows were always kind of shitty. Yeah, they were tough. The crowds were too, like, ooh, we're at a place. Right.

It wasn't like an audience. You need an audience to feel like they, own the show like you know what I mean it rests with them and this tweeted these crowds I used to just tweet come to the cellar and they'd come yeah and they'd sort of stiffly stare at me so I started to go I stopped doing that and I would just go to the cellar with the steady cam guy oh it makes more sense jump on stage and he'd kind of elbow his way in right and I would just you know we'd just take over and do it once in a while was he like a German guy that guy with the steady cam I don't remember that Oh, okay. I thought he was a friend of yours.

You know, I was an Asian guy who I worked with a lot back then. Oh, I just remember a guy with a thick, crazy accent. Gosh. He was some kind of DP or something on the show. He would always yell stuff at you. Yeah. Sorry. That's all right.

And it stuck that stuck into my brain. Like, wow, this guy's like a real artist. He's foreign. Don't remember a German guy. I feel like that's what took the seller, like, from doing two shows a night or whatever, to now it's four. it's four, soon to be five rooms, but I feel like that show is like became a tourist attraction. Yeah, we brought a lot of business there. I mean, it also has its own momentum. Sure. Totally. Yeah. And comedy definitely took off at a certain point. But yeah, I mean, that was,

I mean, we were at the cellar and there were two shows a night. Now it's, what, like 12 or something? Totally. It's insane now. It's crazy. There is places in other countries that got into stand-up because of my show, not even, but because it was about stand-ups. Like, I was just in this, Stemble and I did a show there and a guy told me that a comedian there told me that it was the series that got people into stand-up because it was like the life of stand-up comedy like that's what you watch if you watch stand-up and you don't do it it feels like this other thing like who can do that but the shows showed the show you know comedy as a first-person experience so so people got into that that that's what made them want to do it I guess in Turkey anyway wow that's crazy

I think that was the last show about a stand-up. No, crashing was after a little bit. Oh, crashing. Also at the cellar, so... Yeah. Was that awkward? Huh? Was that awkward?

I don't know. I didn't watch it. Some people get weird about that. You know, Chappelle's always like, Key and Peele stole my show. I don't know. And you're like, ah, it's just another show. Everybody's biting, everybody doesn't matter.

All right. Yeah. Yeah, who are your biggest influences, like, as a director? I love Woody. Yeah. Scorsese. Then like some weird people like Lena Vermuller, she's an Italian director. She made great films.

Pulling them up. Don't know. Yeah. So she made a movie called Swept Away, which has been remade a couple of times. It's about a fancy yacht and it hits the rocks and the snodiest lady in the gold bikini, like a millionaire lady. and the sluggiest dude that works on the yacht end up together on an island. And it turns, you know, so he ends up ruling the island.

Because without him, she's dead. And so it's just this turning upside down of... Kind of like triangle of sadness. Yeah, like that. But yeah, this one is, it's also hilarious. But also he made one called Seven Beauties, which I think is the next one over on your list there. It's right next to swept away.

There you go. There you go. Okay, so this one is about an Italian pimp. Ooh. And he's a real just ladies man scumbag. And then it's World War II, and he turns out he's Jewish. So now he's in a concentration camp. Whoa.

And he's dying in the concentration camp. He's like, I can't. He has no courage. He has no strength as a person. Uh-huh. And the concentration camp commandant of his barracks is a big fat German lady and he's like

I gotta try to fuck her like it's the only skill I have what a premise yes so yeah there she is so he seduces her so that he can survive the Holocaust I mean who else is making that movie exactly that's gold

yeah this guy knowing women saved his life I guess so that's right damn wow that was Lena Vermuller she was a incredible film She didn't write them, too, huh? I think she might have. Oh, that's even cooler.

Yeah. She's a great filmmaker. I don't know if she wrote her movies. Movies are so expensive now. If you pitch that, people go, this is never going to sell, everybody to hate me. So you never get to see that movie anymore. Yeah, but I think there's going to be a big resurgence now with, like, indie movies and stuff like that. I think so, too.

People are, I don't know, there's always somewhere that people are having cinema, courage, you know? Do you still go to the theater a lot or now? I haven't seen a movie in a theater in a while. Last few I saw, I saw the Spanish version of, it's called Society of the Snow, and it's about the plane that went down. I saw that. And they all ate each other. Pretty good.

So they made one here a long time ago with. Alive? Ethan Hawk. No. I don't remember who's what that one's called. Ethan Hawk and Josh Hamilton and it's about the plane going down and they all eat each other. alive. You got it. Oh, I got it. Okay. That's old.

Yeah. That was a great movie. Fucking good. But the one that's in Spanish made by the actual, basically the people who experienced it, it's phenomenal. I mean, it's made by the country. It's like in Paraguay or something. Right. God, that's good. Most great cinema, especially visually, is Spanish speaking for some reason. A lot of movies I've seen recently. I don't know, but they're because part of it is the democratization order. whatever you want to call it, of the simplicity of not just phones, but like cameras. You can get a really great camera now for very cheap. And so I think countries in South America are making beautiful movies now.

So I've seen a few of them. The Gravity Guy. I think he's Hispanic. Quaron, he's my buddy. Roma? Is that it? Quaron is Alphonse Quaron. He is Mexican. Okay.

And his great movie is one of my favorite movies of all time is Children of Men. Oh, I love that movie. Great movie. Great movie. Yeah, that, just like that last 20 minutes or so is unbelievable. I don't know how you do it. I don't know how he did it. I know.

It's so much handheld and running with the camera. Yep. Great flick. Yeah. So a lot of Latino movies are good right now. Huh. What about where you had on Koreans? I think they're doing some good stuff

Like when they got Parasite Yes That was you didn't like it You didn't like Parasite or Billy Madison What the hell Making What's it's as good as Billy Madison I don't know

I didn't get It felt Not meta But it just felt like there was a conceit To the way people acted in the movie That was like I'm not picking up on it I thought there was great filmmaking in it It was very beautiful

He made a movie That's like a crazy kind of, there's a lizard eating people on the streets in Korea or something. Oh. And... The host?

Maybe it was really fucking great. I mean, I think the guy's a genius filmmaker. He made a movie called Memories of Murder. Do you see that? Right, right. Do you see Memories of Murder?

I don't know that one. That same director's really cool. I don't know that one. Really, really weird crime movie. All those movies have kind of a message. He did that Oak you and it's all about how we shouldn't be eating meat. Uh-huh.

And then parasites about the class system, blah, blah, blah. Don't let crazy people live in your apartment. Yeah, yeah. That's a good lesson. There's a Japanese filmmaker, and it doesn't matter that it doesn't, it's not connected to him just because. Ah, that's Asia. Yeah.

But he's, I watched a lot of Turner Classic movies, and he's, he made a bunch of movies. There's nothing like these movies. Fuck. Early Spring is one of them, I think it's called. Japanese early spring. Try that. Something like that. There we go. Yeah, what's his name, the director? Oh, man, we got a busy weekend. Yes, sir, a juie-o-zoo.

Okay, that guy is incredible. Okay. All right, that guy is incredible. You have to bookmark some of these. So he made this one movie. 1903 so it's about a guy well his movies were made in post-war japan god i mean think of that

post-war like we went from the war to like then here we go right and japan's like we're gonna need a minute yeah this is fucking tough yeah so they became very muted you can see it's sort of well anyway this movie is about a professor college professor who lives with his daughter His daughter never marries.

Marrying and being in a family is a big thing in the culture at the time. And she loves living with her dad. And she's just a sweet girl who doesn't really want to get married. And he's worried because he's going to die and she's going to be alone. Yeah. So he pretends that he found a wife that he's a kid because he's a widow. And she was raised from only by him. Her mother died when she was just a kid.

So he says, I'm marrying this lady down the street. So you have to go. And so she's sad, but she sort of finds her opens up to finding somebody and she finds a guy. And the main character, it's a really sad story, but he's really happy go lucky. Like she's like, when she leaves to go to live with her husband, she says, I'm so grateful to you for giving me the best childhood to anybody. And she's crying. And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah. That's cool.

Like the whole movie, he's like, yeah. And people are like, are you sad? Your daughter's leaving? And he's like, nah, it's so good. It makes sense. He's just really, you know, happy. And then the whole movie is a setup for when she leaves. And he goes home to the empty house.

Whoa. And he gets an apple. And there's this incredible scene where he's peeling the apple and you hear the sound of the knife going through the apple. And he looks at the apple with no skin on it. And he just goes like this. And it's credits. Dang. Like it's just his head going.

and you just fucking die. Those are my favorite movies when the credits hit and you're just like fuck. Yeah, just that little move. Yeah. We talk about all that jazz

all the time on this. When the credits roll and when the credits hit and you're just like, fuck. Where is that moment for you for all that jazz? I mean, after that whole number, and they just zip the bag on them.

Yes. And you just go, fuck. That movie's so well done. The opening of that movie is unbelievable. When he's popping the pills? Yes. All that jazz is a masterpiece.

Yeah. It's a big, juicy, gorgeous masterpiece of the movie. Yeah, it's sweaty and it's sexy. Also, another round. I feel like the ending of that movie, too. Oh, that's another great ending. You ever see that one? Danish movie Madge Mickelson? Awesome. No, I know that one. So what's the moment then that?

Well, just when you don't know what happens to him. He jumps off the pier. That's it. And you don't, but just it hits it. I love an ambiguous ending, but you're just like, oh, shit. So back to him in a second, but there's another movie that has that moment. and it's, I think it's called Howard's End. It's, uh... Oh, yeah.

I remember that one. Fucking, uh... Nope, maybe I don't. No. Yeah, no, no, no, it's different. It's Anthony Hopkins and... That's him. That's him.

Yes, but it's what's her name? Oh, yeah, so maybe it is this one. So it's a, uh, a butler and no, it's different. It's different movie. Howard's End is different. But it's another merchant ivory that they're both in. Him and Emma, what the fuck is there? He's in two of the same movie?

Yeah, they're dressed in the same kind of clothes. What? Both period movies, remains of the day. Thank you. He's the butler and she's the housekeeper. Yeah. Of a great house, right? And it's this long story of, and his father was the butler.

So he replaces him. But anyway, he's deeply in love with her. And she kind of, she's waiting for him because it's English to make a move. and he's just, every time they're going away for like the holidays, she's like, where are you going? And he's like, I'll just be going to the countryside. And she's like, I'm not going anywhere. And he's like, well, I'll see you later.

And year after year, then they get gray and they're both old. And the house closes. So it's over. And he sees her to the train. And she's on the train. And she gives him her hand just to say goodbye, just to shake hands. And there's this close up. of her hand and he just presses it

with his thumb just a little and as the train takes off she's like oh my God he loved me the whole fucking time and he's just like he couldn't it's like a 40 year I can't say I love it damn what a nut that moment it's like the ending

of the age of innocence when Daniel DeLewis won't go upstairs right yeah it's like that that repressed age was just like a touch you're just like oh my god it's it's crazy to think where we went we're like with like porn and stuff now. I know.

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Like it'd be all building the one thing where you're just like, fuck. Yeah. Well, like, don't look now or don't look now, I think. Donald Sutherland. I don't know. I don't know it. Oh. And look who's talking.

That's a chilling. All of these, I beseech you to watch this. Okay. Oh, really? Deeply upsetting movie. And it's all about the last like three seconds. It's just a huge setup to the most. to upsetting three seconds of cinema.

Oh, boy. Damn. Yeah. Have you heard about this new movie that's banned now that's number one on Apple? What is it? It's about a guy,

I think he's in Germany. Oh, this is the Army Hammer. It's already banned everywhere because he's going around killing my... Yeah, it's like Death Wish type movie. Yeah. Oh, I just watched Death Wish last night. Really?

I just watched it. I watched it and I watched half of two. It's the same plot, right? It is. The first one is wife and... I skipped the rape. You got to skip the rape. Oh, is it that bad?

Jeff Goldblum's one of the rapist. Jeff's Goldblum. He's wearing a kind of crown like jughead in the archies. Pull it up. And he says to this woman, he goes, you rich cunt, I kill rich cunts. It's awful. Jeff Goldlum says that. It's awful.

So funny, he's in his apartment going, you rich cunt. I kill rich guy. No, no, no. There's eight other dudes in that audition room. Like, fuck, I got this. Yeah, he nails you rich cunt. But it's like, it's... There he is.

There he is. But the plot of the movie is his wife and daughter are raped and his wife's murdered. And then he goes on revenge, not those guys, but he's just like, you know, going on the streets. Yeah, he never gets those guys. But then the second one is just, it's just his maid and his daughter are raped and murdered. It's like, they didn't really, they could have gone a different way, maybe. Yeah, they got a twist. This guy's got some bad luck.

Yeah, give me something. Yeah, he moves to L.A. too, right? It's like a different. LA. It's kind of like escape from New York and escape from L.A. I like how at the end of that movie the cops are like, we know it's you, but just get the hell out of here. Yeah. What a fun. That's those 70s.

It's killing everybody in town, but just get the hell out of it. Yep. We get it. Look at that. I got a rewatch. I haven't seen this movie in 20 years. These movies are very shoddily done, too. They're very cheap, kind of like right on the street movies, but they're really dynamic. It's like, to think that Michael

Man was going full circle was making lush, gorgeous crime. films and this was a straight end this was a huge hit huge they made four or five of them yeah i never got bronson's face his face bothers me so he made he has one of the greatest movies ever which is what he's the problem is the guys get famous because they do something great so then they have them do other things right right like leo decaprio doesn't need to be fucking jadger hoover you know yeah he's good at other things you don't think you can nail it well that was that was that was okay yeah that wasn't that was concerned i never said i never said

I didn't see it either. But Bronson did a movie called Hard Times. Oh, the fistfight movie. Yeah. James Coburn. It's a really phenomenal movie because it's not just these great fistfight scenes. It's a weird, it's a portrait of New Orleans during the Depression. Wow.

Which is where you're from, right? You got that right. And I don't know how they did it because it's like, well, I mean, you go to New Orleans. It's like the 30s there. That's true. It's lawless. So, yeah. But it's really, it's a.

gorgeous, funny, interesting movie. Weren't they in, what is it, not the good, the bad, and the ugly together. The other,

Dirty dozen. It's negative of seven. Yeah. Yes, they were. Together. Coburn and him, I'm saying,

well, I don't know if Coburn was in the dirty dozen. The old Brenner, I think, was in it? Yeah. Oh, yeah,

dirty, I mean, well, did you ever see the original Japanese? No, I got to see it. I got to watch that one. It's good.

It's great. I was nervous. I was like, here we go. old black and white, but it's... You know what I watched the other day for the first time? That was crazy. Have you heard of this movie, To Be or Not To Be?

By Ernest Lubich. 1942 made it... Lubbich was great. During the Holocaust, and it's a, like, anti-Hitler movie. It's just mocking the Nazis. It's a comedy. It's a straight-up comedy with Jack Benny. So controversial when it came out that Jack Benny's dad walked out of it.

Like, you were a disgrace. I mean, 42, they're right in the heart of it. And, you know, he's a Berlin Jew. He left. Hitler hates him, obviously. And Carol Lombard dies like two months before it comes out in a plane crash that Orson Wells is like Nazi agent shot at that. No shit. I mean, it's probably bullshit.

No, it was a war. Oh, okay. It was during the war. It was 42. Yeah. Well, there was war movies right after the war are way better than war movies after. Like later. You got a process it a little.

Yeah. Well, the ones that were right after were great because they were made by veterans. And they were like Samuel Fuller made a shitload of war movies. And he was in really deep shit in World War II. And there's another one called Decision Before Dawn, I think it's called. So I don't know how they did this movie because what year is it? 51. Okay.

I mean, think about that that's six years after World War II. Yeah. What was six years ago today? 2020. Yeah. So it's like a movie about the pandemic would still be like, we just did that. No, Eddington, right? So this is like there's still rubble.

everywhere. Yeah. Right. And so they made this movie and this really incredible actor, the lead. What's his area is? Oscar Werner. So Oscar plays a soldier, a Nazi soldier. Oh, Klaus Kinski's in it.

Yes, he is. And it's based on a true story that the U.S. started to take POWs, German POWs, and send them back in uniform to be spies. And so he was sent to do a. major huge like killing a lot of people in Germany thing and he hated Hitler they'd have to they interview

these guys and see if they were really committed because otherwise they're going to go over and fuck things it's like a very dangerous thing to do to send a guy back as a spy sure because if he turns back again he can really hurt you so he plays a guy who goes over back into Nazi Germany

to try to do some sabotaging and cause a big thing and you just follow him and he's going around German towns and he's seeing friends and he's seeing people he likes. Crazy. And like his father is a doctor in a hospital and he goes, he's outside the hospital and he calls his dad and his dad comes to the phone, but he can't say hi to him. And you just see him like, and what you're watching is you're wondering is he's going to do this

thing. Whoa. And the movie lets you have a lot of sympathy for Germans during the war. And a lot of movies after that were made. right after because if you were really over there fighting you came away with some sympathy you just did the kind of jingoistic fuck these people is like that came later like john wayne war movies well john wayne famously never served right i mean that he never served in any war five came back all the director like fuck this guy he's a pussy he's playing tough guys and they all served john ford went

over they went over all those guys yeah but so yeah the movies they made right after were more reflective, more like this, like more messy. Mm. That kind of thing. Do you find, and that's a little gay, interviewy question, but do you find that because you got some of the most you know, out there premises, do you think you see some of these crazy movie premises

and you go, I can, like, what is it, Putney Swope? Yeah. You know, that's a wacky film. I don't know, yeah, completely nuts. But I think some of your premises, you're like, you go places no one else will go. you got this weird part of your brain I feel like you

tap into I feel like you started super absurdist in your stand-up and you've kind of gone back to that a little bit too Yeah I kind of have well yeah thanks

I mean I'll take it as a compliment Oh that's good because no one else is going there Well that to me makes it worth doing Like I guess a lot of what drives What I do is curiosity So if I can see how something's gonna work

I'm like well then why why do It's like I already seen the movie Uh-huh I mean But if you start with something that's really fucked up and strange. Right. What about this?

What would this be like? And jokes are like, jokes are a more immediate version of that. Totally. Where you go like, why am I going to talk about this? This is not. There's things that people think are funny and we know what they are. And that's not easy. Nothing in stand-up is easy.

But I like starting with something where I'm like, they don't even want to hear about this. Yeah. How do you get over that hump? It's curiosity. It's wondering. But if they're rejecting it, it's like waves coming at you and you keep swimming. So it's a good question.

To me, it's because I don't take the rejection personally. It doesn't hurt me. I just think it's interesting. Like if you are a scientist and you're doing an experiment, if you put this dropper liquid into this thing, does it bubble or does it boil or what does it do? If you got offended that it bubbles, you'd be out of luck. as a scientist, but if you're like, I'm just curious to see what'll happen. Sure. And also, I've been doing this for 40 plus, I mean, in 1985, so whatever that is.

Yeah. So when you do a joke and they just draw a blank, you go, oh, that's, okay, but we're still all here. And I can do something now that I couldn't have done when you're laughing. When you're laughing, it keeps resetting. When you do a joke that makes people feel like, ah, that's so funny. They laugh and then they're like, here, give us another one. You keep coming back to kind of the same place.

But if you do a joke that makes them go, what the fuck was that? Now you're in a new, you've gone to a new place. Yeah. And there's a bunch of jokes there that nobody else is going to find because they feel more comfortable in this cycle. But I guess it's not even a personal. That's interesting. It's not even a personal thing for me. It's like, oh, no one, I'm going to bomb and no one's going to come back.

No one's going to see me again. Are they going to walk away going? That was a bad show. Yeah, but okay, for example, you're a really skilled comic. You are a guy who... Clipped that. Kills. Okay.

You're a killer act. All right. And you're... It's clear you're in success mode on stage. Like, you're doing great. So why would one... It's incredible to me, actually, that, like, one... You're thinking, if they don't laugh at this, they're never going to come back.

Well, maybe that's a little extreme, but they're going to be... They're going to walk away sad. That's the feeling. But they're not going to walk away. They're still there. I mean, after it's over, they're going to go, yeah, we saw that guy. He sucks. Yeah, but also, Louis, there's not a lot of comics at your level who have the comfort bombing that you have.

And I mean, that's a compliment. I mean, I've seen... Yeah, it doesn't bother me. It really doesn't. Like, we've both seen Louis in workout mode, and he just... I've never seen... It's rare that dudes as famous as Louis are comfortable taking an L-set. That's true.

It's so fun to do... Like, I remember going into the... one night and it was the upstairs room, the lounge, the bar. The bar. Yeah. I think at times that's the worst room. Easily. That's where they put the end of the audience that has not gotten to the end of the room.

But that kind of makes it the best room sometimes. Sometimes it's fucking great. Yeah. Because when you go in with a low bar and you're going to have a good time. Yeah. And you're kind of like, if I get one line out of this set. Right. You know, if I get something.

But it was not a good night and everybody was sitting at those little tables. side of the curtain and everyone's just it just was fucking bad. Yeah. And they're all looking at me. I kind of feel other comedians' eyes on me as I'm about to go on stage and I'm, and I've got a list of bits that I want to try that aren't, they ain't been working. And part of me wants to just go up there and smoke the place. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And show them, this is how it's done. But I just wanted, I came here to accomplish something. So I went up and I'm trying these bits and the crowd's like, like uh like no like not beyond bombing to like what the fuck

yeah like it's because that's the kind of people that kind of go to the cell totally totally there's a lot of girls in black dresses and they're like together and they're like what so they're not and I'm older and I'm doing these weird things right now and I kind of get off

and I walked by that table and they're all looking at me the comics and I said that was horrible and they were all they all smiled like it made them happy that I acknowledge that I ate it and that we all ate it we're all the same you know what I mean I like I like I like being in that world of bombing is is uh there's dignity in it you know it kind of gives me a good feeling and kind of you can feel that it heats you up like a fever kind of burns off oh yeah demons well Bill Burr has that too where he can

kind of go far and then win them back yeah I quit I like boxing and you know Rocky Marciano Had the, had a, they found he had a padding on his head. Like, he had extra weird cartilage on his head. Really? Take more hits. And I think some comics have a thing where they can take more abuse from bombing and keep going. If you can take a lot of beatings. But there's a level beyond winning them back.

Yeah, that's for sure. There's another thing. But if you can get all the way out and come back, like a spaceship. But it's different. It's, you go way out. Yeah. There's no court. There's no more room. Yeah.

This umbilical point? Yeah, yeah. It ain't there. I know. You've taken them somewhere where they're like, we don't even know why this is not entertainment. And you're just like, all right, guys, well, here we are. There's no up or down here.

But you're all freaking out. You're worried because they don't like, the audience doesn't like feeling like they're in a struggle or in a bad place. But I'm okay. My brain's working. Right. And I learned that a little from boxing because when you're getting beaten up in boxing, the only way out is your brain, you have to be smart.

You can't, it's not just hitting back. It's like having a good idea. Right. But they're upset because I've done sometimes two, three things in a row that haven't worked. Yeah. Deep in. And I'm okay. I'm breathing okay.

I'm not panicking. I'm not struggling to get them back. I'm like, we're in a really interesting place way out here now. And there's jokes out here. There's comedy you haven't considered out here. And if you can start a new garden of comedy there instead of coming back. Right. Now you got a whole other, you got a whole range of shit, stuff you can do. Look, I know your whole career and all that. You started with the same hour, you did the same

hour for 10 years. I did. And now you're doing the complete, you went the complete other way where you did a new hour every year for a while. That's true. So how did you go from, hey, I'm the hour every year, play it safe guy, same hour, you know, live in Houston, that hour, the breakfast order, the eggs on a nail, every night. Every night. The guy getting hit by the car. Yeah, the peach. Yeah, yeah. How did you go from that guy, play it safe guy, to out in the atmosphere with a new garden? Good question.

Well. And what was that flip? Was it gradual? Some of it was gradual and some of it was just getting really sick of it because the opening joke to that set was I live in New York. And it's the only city in the world where you have to say things like, hey, that. that's mine, don't pee on that. That was the joke. That's funny.

Now, I did that joke thousands of times, and I hated it so much. Every time I would say it, I hated the way my mouth felt. Like, do you know that kind of thing where you've done a joke too many times? I didn't even know what I was saying. I was just making breath go through my fucking throat and making sounds. And they'd laugh and I'd hate it. An autopilot. Yes.

And all of the jokes in that first hour, I just did them for years and years. and I started to rot and feel like I got nothing. Was there a comic that gave you like the bump or was it just you? Was it just hating it? Well, there was a few things that started it. One of them was, me and a bunch of comics in New York were just like doing our same sets. You do the same five when you auditioned for Letterman and the same 20 when you try to get on this thing. You know, whatever.

Yeah. No one's getting an hour special. Sure. nobody was getting that and you try to get money at the clubs sometimes and s andl once in a while auditions be it was just miserable and then chris rock who had been on s&l but then vanished for a while yes he came back and he was at caroline's headlining and um i was friends with them earlier but i hadn't seen him a long time so me and a bunch of comedians went to carolines and we're all sitting in one booth and it was astonishing.

He was leaning forward and he was doing these jokes that I was like, I didn't know this was an option to get this good. It was bring the pain probably. Yeah, I think so. And we all sat there. At the end of the show, everyone was standing and we were all just... Wow, so that woke your ass up. It made me realize...

It's funny that has the opposite impact on a comedian. Yeah, I don't hate it. I hate myself. So upset. Yeah. It's like if everybody was high jumpers together. And everyone's like three feet, man. How'd you fucking do three feet?

And then some guy does like eight and you're like, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute. Three is a lot. He's like, no, it's nothing. Right. And I was, I think, close to 30 or something. I don't remember how old I was. But that lit a fire under your ass.

Yeah. And then I started thinking I should actually like study what I do. I should actually be deliberate. And Chris and I rekindled friendship and he gave me certain advice. Like, if you're driving to a gig, turn the radio off. And I mean, forget phones back then, but sit there and stew in your car.

You need to get uncomfortable. And you need to play clubs where they don't like you. And I started thinking like, oh, no, you actually have to be like training. You have to actually try. You don't just sit around like, here's my act. Where's my fucking deal? Yeah.

You go forget getting attention. from anybody and just think what can make me better. And I started to listen to guys more, more. I started, I got all, Richard Pryor put out just around then a big CD set of all of his, you could buy them all at once, all his albums. I listened to them all. And I listened to-

What did you take from Pryor? Just this fluidity and this like, you know, Ah, that easy Richard Pryor and owning moments. The thing about Pryor is that people, I think, felt like he was really, like, opinionated and he said big things. But he was silly as fuck. He was just funny and fucking silly. People forget that about Bill Hicks, too. It's always, like, the heavy clips, but there were moments where he was so damn silly, too.

The reason Bill Hicks was great was because he knew how to use a microphone. Like, he made funny noises and shit. He was just a great comic. But anyway, so, yeah, Pryor. heard Carlin in an interview talk about his process. And he said that he looked at it like, I'm writing this show now. And I'm writing, it just had never occurred to me. Like, I'm doing this show. I do it for about a year. Then I do one of my, because he was the guy doing a special all the time. And then he said, then I kind of start working. He had a more gradual thing of throwing

it out gradually and starting. But the idea of like, I did this show, this show's done. let's start again was so deeply exciting to me that that was an all at once thing. Wow. I was like I'm doing that from now because I did

when I did Lucky Louie this show never had a chance. Yeah. Definitely getting canceled and I knew it so I but I was in HBO. Why do you think it never had a chance? It just was not something people wanted

and it was a lot of reasons but I was there I was inside HBO so I asked them, can I have an hour? Yeah. And they said yes. So the show got canceled. Was that shameless? Yeah. And I went on the road for a year and I built that hour. And you had done a half hour with-

I had done a half hour where a lot of stuff I had been working on. It was everything since that album to the half hour went into that. Well, you had that closer, the talking to your kid. The Y bit. That's a great bit. That was the bit where I felt like, I mean, just as someone, it was a spectator, I was like, oh, he's turned a corner, I think, creatively. When you started bringing your kids into it, there was something, like no one had talked about kids that way.

No, for sure. Throw them a dumpster. That was a big bit. So that was a big. And then also there was this general feeling also that I didn't care anymore that if they didn't laugh, it was okay with me. Yeah. Like.

Which some comics say, but they take the wrong way. That's right. I don't mean it like, fuck you. I just mean like, I think if I don't get it. to laugh we're all going to be okay and there's something past it i was a control yes it was like why not try it it's going to be okay it's just one joke and the first one that i joke i came up with that was that was the thing about the world trade center the joke was you know how bad a person you are by how soon after 9-11 you jerked off for the first time i remember that and every time i would do that

joke people would go, no, like, like loud, loud, no, no. And it would just get silence, but I'm like, I know it's a great joke. So I'm gonna do it every night until it starts working. And the turn at the end. And then it, yeah, I don't remember. The turn was, to me, it was in between the two planes. That's a great line.

Between the two buildings going down. Because you took something awful and you found a light angle. I found a really, really selfish, silly angle to it. You made yourself the bad guy in 9-11. That's right. If you can do that, that's pretty great. But that's kind of the beauty of that joke is like, you're like, I'm the asshole.

Yes. Yeah, I'm gross. Look at me. That's, yeah. That's, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was shameless that one? That was, no, it was. Chewed up. I don't, I don't remember.

It was chewed up. I think so. I don't know. Did I do it in a question? That was a joke that, like, was an example to me that I, or for me that I would tell someone when they'd say, like, oh, you shouldn't do a 9-11 joke. Like, that's a great 9-11 joke. You know, it's, it's no subjects off limit. No, but also it isn't for who likes it.

So it's like if somebody says you shouldn't, well, then they shouldn't watch that kind of comedy. Right, right. But it doesn't, there's no universal collective what we should be doing or not. There's just you do what you do. And then the results are the results in terms of how many people like it, where do people like it, where do people not? I never had in any quarrel with people saying, I don't like jokes that are like that. that's fine. That's their thing. Then they like another kind of humor. There's lots of kinds. But my point about that is that I think it's such a strong joke that it can turn people who might not

necessarily like. And then there's a what comes and goes, but Tina seems to always be there is that people are open to comedy. Oh, comedy is a place where people are open. In other words, I'll listen to something I don't, I'm not, that's not my kind of thing. Because I might laugh. Laughing is fucking rare and it's fun. Yes. So you're like, I don't like jokes about abortion. I don't like abortion is a touchy subject for me, but I'll give this a listen because I might laugh. And if they find themselves laughing, you know, there's a connection there. It's good. That's great point. So. Damn, but I had a thing, but I was so involved in that. I thought I was not. I'm curious when you write, because you say like Carlin puts on, you know, this is my show, this is a new show. When you're

writing is it free association are you are you you know reading the paper i've seen you at the store getting the paper like what's your process when you sit down i love the i get the paper because i like the crosswords i read the wall street journal i get that at home but i go by the new york times and the weekends for the cry like the cross but uh no when i i i i don't uh i mean there's a cycle so i don't where you started. Like, I just did a special. So I'm off, I'm out. You're back to zero.

Yeah, I got no jokes. I got two or three left over. All right. That I came up with towards the end of the tour. I have a bit about farts that I'm really proud of. All right. And so when I come back, I'll have that. It's a pretty decent bit.

Yeah. And so usually there's a couple like that, little things like, like, one or two. And then, and so I just put it up. I put comedy out of my mind, though. I don't think about it for months. Yeah. Try to go as long as I can. Like last night I was texting with Daniel Simonson about the World Cup.

He loves soccer. And he said, I'm going to miss the game because I'm going to the cellar. And I was like, oh, I want to go to the cellar. Like, I want to be on stage. Yeah. But I, right now is the stage where like, I'm actually prohibiting it. Like, just don't do it. Really?

Don't think about jokes. Don't touch it. You want to live? Yeah. And also just stay off the muscle. Just stay off of it completely let it. bury the potato into the ground and let it just sit there and get fermented. You want to live?

Yeah. And yes, I want to live my life, but I also don't, for the sake of the stand-up, I don't want to be doing it right now. It needs to cool off. Like in Hungary, they take a cow's head and they fill it full of crazy spices and shit and snails. And they wrap it in a rag and they bury it under the ground out in their yard. and it sits under there for like months and then they dig it up and they eat it. Whoa.

It's like the best thing you ever ate. Come on. Give that a goog. Give that little Hungarian beat. I don't know. Do your best. You know what you're doing. Cowshead, berry. Yeah, something like that.

Wow. I mean the months is annoying because you're like, I want to eat the fucking thing. I got to wait months? What if I'm starving? No, I don't think you're in the right track. But anyway, it's something they do with, I think it's in Hungary. No Say delicacy

You can just say you want to take some time off too You know I just want to take some time off man I just got out No I get it You want life You need to live You need stuff to write about

You need to recharge You've done this as you said 41 years Yeah the last time I stopped I took I took a full Head beef And a half

And I thought was I'm not doing it anymore Yeah I was quitting I knew that was never going to take Yeah I honestly thought it would because I loved, I felt so good. And once I live near the, I live right between the cellar and the stand. So once in a while I see comedians walking by from one to the other and they have this pasty look on their face.

I'm like, I'm going to do a spot and I'm like, I don't fucking miss that at all. It's like seeing people go down the river sticks. They just have like no soul anymore. Yeah. Stand up is such a fucked up lifestyle. So I don't miss it. True. But you kind of romanticized it.

I feel like watching Louis made me feel like it felt like being a comic was cool. It ain't, man. But in the show it felt, in the show it felt cool. I mean, like... Yeah, and the road is great, the hotels. Nah, you're right, it is. Yeah.

It's damn cool. Even the episode with Jim Florentine where you guys are in a comedy condo together. And Jim is playing a hack. He's hilarious. And there's a line where you're being arrogant about your craft. And he goes, it's a fucking bar.

trick. Yeah. There was something, I love that you kind of would shit on yourself. And, like, well, we shot that show in, uh, uh, new in, in, in, in, in, in, the governor's. Yeah, yeah. And it was great because I asked him, just be a huge hack. Yeah.

Just go on and be it just. And he was like, yeah, all right. And he's like, sorry, you got three girls at your table. You must be hung like a fucking elephant. And he's just doing the basics. Yeah. And he's crushing. It was so fun to watch a guy who you just go, don't have any, just do it.

So he just did his act. I mean, he's a thousand times funnier and more inventive than that. I love Jim's awesome. Yeah, no, Jim's awesome. Yeah. And anyway, yeah, so he was great in that. That was really fun. But you would call yourself out.

But then also there were times where I thought you looked cool as a comic in it, whereas I know that you were self-deprecating. But, I mean, the lifestyle seemed cool to me. Maybe it hit me at the right time. Like, I was young. No, it was. It did feel cool. It does a lot of the time. It does. Sometimes it feels incredibly cool.

Sometimes you can't believe what you're in the middle of. Yeah, like when you're running from one club to the next and the joke's kind of starting to work better. It's fantastic. That's the fun part. It's not the running around or the bombing or whatever. It's that like tinkering. No doubt.

That's what I was talking to Keith Robinson. And he had done some joke about a girl vandalizing his scooter, you know, because he's got it. Yeah. And so he has like a rascal. And he said some girl in his building wanted him to have sex with her and he wouldn't. So she vandalized his school. She fucked up his scooter. And he was telling the story and he didn't really, wasn't a joke yet. And afterwards I was like, there's something there. And he goes, yeah, I don't know what it is yet, but there's something there. And then somehow the conversation turned into talking about how long should we do stand up for in our lives? And he said, as long as I'm curious about bits like that. As long as I have that sort of like, how do I make? How do I make? that work yeah I'll keep doing this and it really is it's a small thing that makes you love it yes it's that little like right and light of the tunnel oh I see something there I see something there and you fit and then when you really fucking yeah yeah and you crack it oh god Keith he's still turn that material is

feeling is pretty insane it's pretty awesome that like yes that he's walking from set to set you know after two strokes and still writing really funny new shit that's how fun it is yeah Yeah. To come up with a bit and to know, oh, I just, like when you're doing a special and you've been doing the bits all year. And then you come up with just the fucking right. And sometimes that happens right after.

Too late, yeah. Unfortunately. But that's why you see these guys do the same act for 10, 20 years. They seem sad about it, you know, and they seem kind of like road hard and weary, just kind like, I'm going to a set. But when they see the guys who are always working, that's a different kind of pain. But there's hope at the end of that. There's hope involved in that pain.

Well, you're in pain because you want something. Yes, yes, exactly. Bombing sucks. Even if you're going towards something. It's like, you know, you know it's part of the process, but you get offstage some nights, even though you're like, I got one night and you still feel like a piece of shit a little bit. Of course you do. Totally.

Well, it's like when you watch an athlete. Like, I remember watching Derek Jeter once coming around third base to try to score on like, you know, where you shouldn't have gone around. on third. And his teeth were gritted. It was like a great moment because he scored. But he looks upset. Yeah.

Because there's a great video of Tom Brady out of that whole ESPN thing. I didn't like most of it, but there's one thing he does where he talks about every time he knows a lot of the great athletes. And every time somebody wins the championship, he calls him and says, hey, you did it great. And the guy always goes, that was fucking hard, man. that like they're never happy. Oh, right. And he goes, yep, because if you want to do great things and achieve your dreams, it's

fucking hard. It's hard. When you were doing an hour a year, which I feel like you were the comic that is the reason a lot of comics are doing an hour a year now. Thanks a lot. Yeah. I mean, seriously, though, I think Carlin was doing it, but then for modern comics, I think you were the one who set the bar there.

And then not every common. Other guys doing that. And in England, they do it a lot because they have that thing in Edinburgh. So in your, you know, I never did it. So I don't know. No, there's just a bunch of like life stories. Emo. Yeah, yeah.

It's a little more emo. It's not as dense. It's not as dense. Right. But you're doing, you're editing your show, you're writing your show, you're directing your show, you're directing your show, you're starring in your show, and you're doing an hour a year. When you're talking about like it not being fun, are you talking about that a little bit? You mean because it's such hard work?

You were just, yeah, you probably. like you're talking now about living do you feel like you almost I don't want to say you're like a retired athlete but that that's like what it sounds like a little no back then I was more I was really in the bigs yeah I was big league guy and there's stuff that I did back then it's just I think I can do a lot of the things I used to do it just takes longer and I got to be more measured about it like this last tour I did was too it was just too many shows you were going like you were Belarus it was insane we went around the world yeah um yeah it was in India and crazy turkey all these Hong Kong uh but that was too many shows and I I built a tour that was

more shows than I'd ever done in my whole career and there were times out on the road where I was like I can't fucking keep doing this yeah there were years where I just was like inexhaustible and I could do when I did the tour that ended in this special call hilarious the shows were off in 90 minutes and sometimes two hours Jesus and I used to do this thing where this was like at the height of like I felt anyway I could do anything where I had a good 15 minute closing chunk like this is all closer right and so I didn't I used to get off stage without it and come back and do it as an encore so I had a set that was strong enough without my actual closer and I close really strong good night at whatever an hour 20 or something damn get off

stage and then they'd go nuts. I'd come back on and I'd go, all right, here we go. And then I'd have 15 minutes of closing grade nuclear material and people, what the fuck did I just see? That's what it felt like. That was the experience I was having. Yeah. I go back sometimes in like samples some of my specials. Hilarious is not one of my favorites. I think I got pretty crazy thinking I was better than I was then that's the way I look at it but um you say it is one of your best or not one of not one of my oh really but I'm not that guy anymore I mean when I did the beacon to do my special the show was so great it was about as good as it gets and I say I never do encores anymore like I don't I just I have them turn the music on right away because I

just think it feels cheesy and encore but I told the guy that runs my stuff I said you know what tonight let's let's see what happened leave the lights down let's see what happens. I had a great set. I got off stage and as soon as I left the stage, you're like, all right, let's go. I was like, all right, those days are well over. They got enough. Yeah, yeah. They got just enough. Now, do you find it gets easier? You said you've been doing 40 plus. Yeah. Does the bit get easier, like to crack? Can you see where the funny is? Because I think you can see more of, you could see funny from different, more angles. Okay. I hope. I hope. But they're onto me.

They know me. So there is a level of this where if you do it long enough, you become the context for your own material. There's nothing like being a new comic who's really strong because people like, where the fuck did this come from? Like, I've never heard a guy like this. Sure. You have that and you have that. You guys are both like, I never heard your voices before. Really?

Really? New comics. Hey, all right. Yeah. Both super strong. and an original. So it's like exciting to watch because I'm not watching a kind of like,

oh yeah, I know this. This isn't his new special. Not for me anyway. I don't watch as much as I used to. Yeah. But people have seen me and seen me. And there's some, I evolve in some ways.

Yep. But the tour before this one, the reason, one reason I thought of quitting is because I started hearing my own bits and going like, yeah, I know you're doing. Oh, wow. You saw the trick. I'm starting to see the trick.

If I can see it, I bet they can fucking see it. Formulaic. I started to feel like I had a formula. What do you do when that happens, though? Do you think, like, okay, I'm doing too many bit bits and I need to go into stories more? Like, do you shift up the approach or what do you do? I think you've got to empty out, take a long time off. Whoa.

And if you're doing a show because it's time to do another show, there's something to that. I mean, when you first come out of the gate where you guys, I think, still are, you don't have to worry about that. Just keep generating, and it's all going to be pretty fresh. You're a new sun. But once you've kind of supernovaed out and you're a red dwarf, you've got to come up with a reason to be out there. You've got to go like, why am I doing this? So I stopped and I thought, but it's also just like Jim said, this is all a bar trick. This is kind of bullshit because I left for a year and a half.

I took sculpture classes and I wrote a novel and all this stuff. I remember what's his name? Ranan. I ran into him somewhere. And I was excited. I'm like, I'm taking drawing classes. I'm taking sculpture classes. Like a fetch.

I've got a rom-com. Reinventing. I'm drinking wine. Yes. And Ranan said, which one of your retirement activities do you like? the most. And he made me feel old. And I was like, yif.

But anyway, I took all that time off and I thought, I'm going to have a reason to come back to the stage that's going to feel like a new approach. But all that happened was I thought of a joke. Sure. For the first time. But do you not? I was out on a vacation with a friend. And I said, I said, are you getting?

getting any on our phone, you know. Oh, bars? And she said, no, and I said, I only have one bar, and it's a gay bar. There, that's in the hour. Yes, it is. That's the first one. And I was like, okay, what am I going to do with one joke? Like, I can't let it sit.

I can't let it die. Yeah. So I just, I'm like, okay, I've got a notebook name. So I just wrote it down. And then I thought of another one. I think the second one was about breastfeeding. What was it?

Oh yeah, I bit my mother's nipple when I was my mother told me that I bit her nipple when I was breastfeeding, which I don't remember because I was drunk. There you go. It's like a bird that sticks. That one reminded me of you. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it was a little bit a Norman. Yeah, I like that one. You get other guys in your head a little. I took your rhythm a little. Of course, I don't remember because I was drunk. Comedy. Do a comedy after that. Yeah, comedy.

Well, your opener, the AIDS joke. I think one of the first times you tried that I think I saw you do it and I was like, oh, that's a great opener because it's so. I remember you're saying that. It's so silly. And then I didn't see until the special you added it. You go, rats. I got it from rats. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, was that. That's one that I came up with the best tag after the special, like a week out. after. Oh. Because it's like, oh, rats, that's how I got it. Rats. You can get AIDS from a rat. They don't even have to be gay.

Yeah. But this one was gay. And then I added after, well, at least he is now. Oh. That was. That's not in the special. Damn it. Because I came up with it after.

That's how it goes all the time. Yep. Yep. Damn. Boy, I can do this all night, brother. I know you got those places. You got children. I got life.

Ah, boo. Boo. life. Well, do you ever have the thing where you're like, how did I write those jokes? The old ones. Of course. You'll never write another one, right? Yeah. You'll never write another one. Which is especially you look back at, you're like, oh, that's my favorite one I did. Like, how did I do that? The one that's called Sorry. That one has a run about... The elephant? No, but that one's pretty great. But the panties, little girls' panties that

a friend sent to me as a joke. Oh, yeah. Some little girls' panties. And I'm talking about how I can't get rid of them because you can't dispose of them without, you know, I don't want somebody finding them in my garbage. Right, right. And so I thought about, like, cutting them into little pieces, throwing them all away in different towns.

And all this day went on and on about it. That felt like a great special to me. And I guess maybe because it's more recent. I think that the comedy store one was really good. I'm proud of that one. Oh, yeah. I think shoot-up was really good. Although when I look back at those days, I don't, I think I talked too fast.

I was frenetic. I said fuck as a as a filler. Too much. Yeah. My, I kind of, I try. I had a rule with fuck for a few years, which is if it comes out clean, take it out. In other words, that guy's a fucking asshole. Take it out.

That guy's an asshole. You know what I mean? But if it's like, I fucked her in the ass. ass, you can't take fuck out. Do you know what I mean? You need it. It needs to be integral to keep it. Right.

But in the last couple of years, I said, fuck that shit. It's a word. It's a condiment. Yeah. It's a sound. It's a twang. It's a guitar. But that's how dialed in you were where you're thinking about the fucks.

I was thinking of taking fuck out. But that's what you're doing at the top of your game. I think you think maybe you're like, oh, how can I handicap myself a little bit? Yes. That's right. Man. All right. We can do two hours there.

All right, guys. You gotta go take a shit. New special on Netflix. There you go. Check it out. Ridiculous. Please watch it. It's great.

The old folks own bit. Check. Oh, yeah. Well, they don't make you show your ID. They're not valuable. That's the line. Yeah, they're not valuables. They're not valuables.

Yeah, that was a really fun bit to build. Yeah. And it's got to be fun doing something and you're like, I'm going to get a bit out of this. Like you're at the old folks on there's so much comedy coming at you. Yes. that place, I was very hard, stressful to be there. I hate visiting my father. And I went once, it was towards the tail end of the pandemic.

It was like you're starting to be okay without masks, but they're still careful. So I went to see him in his room and I'm like, I just don't want to be, this is horrible. And then the lady comes in and she goes, it's time for dinner. And he goes, can my son come to dinner with me? And she goes, no, no guests at dinner.

I'm sorry. And I was like, sorry, dad. So then I'm in an elevator with a lady my age And I said something like Yeah, at dinner at 6 o'clock, we can't stay And she goes, that's why I always get here at 10 of 6. Whoa. And she wasn't kidding.

Whoa. And I was like, damn. Jesus. And I realized this is a place that people come to That's really grim and really hard to be in. There's bits here. So I started building that bit. That's such a funny reason to visit your father.

Some material here. I'm going to check it out. Jokes. There's more jokes. Anyway. All right. Are you going on the row or are you taking a breather? I'm taking a long bar.

I'm not having no gigs for the foreseeable future. Go see Louie in a finger painting class near you. Your gigs. What are those? I'm doing back in the clubs. I've tried to build a new hour. Side Splitters, great club. Great club.

Tampa. I'm doing something in the Hamptons one night only, then Cobbs. Great. San Francisco. Houston Impro. Nice. Zanis. Nashville, Pittsburgh Improv, some casino in Regina.

Nice. Calgary. I love Calgary. Calgary's great. Minneapolis, Acme. All at Acme. The best. Great. Louis Lee, great place.

Hey, you know everybody. Of course. How about Denver? I love the city. Uh-oh. Go on. Comedy on State? Come on, Matt.

Comedy on State, great fucking cloud. One of the greats. Charlton Musical. You can't sing all these, by the way, for when we shoot the movie. Oh, yeah, we're going on the movie. And the Cap City and Austin. What movie? What are you talking about? We wrote a movie. We're shooting it.

You are? Yeah. That's great. Yeah. October. We're excited. So you have to cancel some of these games? Hopefully, yeah. I just got the Braille Improv August 21 through 23rd. I got... We'll see what happened. Lisbon, Athens, Budapest, Zagreb, Vienna, Warsaw, Helsinki, Stockholm and Copenhagen.

I'll add a bunch of dates coming up soon. But a bunch of new stuff's coming soon. You got to go to Kirk. Near Warsaw. What do you call it? Crockow? Yeah, Crackow is great. I gotta go. I don't have time on the show, but I'm going to go for sure. I really want to go there. Good, man. You're doing the other...

Love it. That's good. I love it, man. Well, it's good to see you. Congratulations, especially. When are you back in New York doing this hour? I want to see a new hour. Oh, it's not ready yet. What? Give a good. That's what I want to see. I'm embarrassed. I'm trying to do stories now, and it's ugly.

Oh, I want to see that. It's sloppy and clunky. No, I heard it's good. I need some endings. I need some punches in the middle. Maybe not. We'll get back on the thing. What about you?

What are you in the area? I'm not. I just tape. So my shit's really not ready. I got like a passable seller set right now that's new. But that's good. You know, but yeah, I want to build to, I'd love a new 30 by the time this comes out. That'd be nice.

Yeah, so that's my goal. It's great when you get a new hour. It feels like you just strapped on some guns. Yeah, exactly. We just said this. You can go healed. Yeah. It's like you're just naked without it.

But once you have the hour, it's like I can go to any venue on the planet. Yeah. And put on a show. Exactly. Like literally there isn't. That was the craziest feeling when I got to that of like there's literally not a building with seats in it that. That I can't go Royal Albert Hall. Can I do a stadium here?

Wow. Where it was like there is just anywhere. Yes. And once you have the hour, you just go, I don't know. Go over here. You spin a globe. Well, I'm not there yet. But I can do any club in the Northeast.

Are you going to run out of money? You're okay on money? I mean, that's, you know, no, I spend it too much, yeah. But the Netflix is nice. All right, good, good, yeah. Just making sure. You got the hat on, I don't know what's going on when you're finding it. Oh, you think I was advertising?

You bought a feeling the guy in the end of Sean. Louis started talking about Ford towards the end of the... It's a really good vehicle. Really good car. Thank you guys. All right, guys, thanks. Sunday's the day from the Peverick. You know the future's close.

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