We Might Be Drunk - William H. Macy w/ Sam Morril & Mark Normand - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

The legendary William H. Macy joins Mark and Sam for a killer episode. They dive into classic films like Fargo, Boogie Nights, and Magnolia, behind-the-scenes stories from iconic sets, and what makes a great script actually work. Plus, acting advice, Hollywood horror stories, AI fears in filmmaking, and why most people are terrible storytellers. Also: whiskey talk, Vegas misery, Thanksgiving food debates, and why actors need to stop being assholes. Sponsored by: Stay connected anywhere with Sailyhttps://saily.com/WMBD — use code WMBD for 15% off Protect your family with Ethos Life Insurancehttps://ethos.com/drunk Get access to affordable care with Himshttps://hims.com/drunk Get 20% off Chubbieshttps://www.chubbiesshorts.com/DRUNKS — code DRUNKS Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ Clips Channel: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets ⸻ Produced by Gotham Production Studios: https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com Producer: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #MarkNormand #SamMorril #WilliamHMacy #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #BodegaCatWhiskey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, hey, hey, folks, here we are. We're back. We might be drunk. We got the great Bill Macy. Hello. Hello, Bill. This is awesome, man. Yeah, I just watched Train Dreams on his recommendation. You're amazing in it.

Thank you. That was awesome. Wonderful film. I loved it. It's the little film that could. It went all the way to the Oscars. I know. Crazy.

And not much happens, but I was hooked. Yeah. It's a lifetime. I mean, it covers the guy's lifetime. That's true. Yeah. It's lovely. It sort of celebrates a common fellow. Right.

I found it very, very moving. See, I'm all in my phone. It was the opposite of being in your phone. That's the whole movie. Exactly. Yeah. That's sure the truth. Yeah, we're like, that guy didn't live. He didn't look at TikTok or nothing. I know.

Yeah. And then at the end, he takes that airplane ride. It all hits him. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I've got a baby. I'm staring at Snapchat. Yeah. I've got to look at my kids. I know. I don't do that that much. I don't, this thing, I have to carry it around, but I'm sure, it's not my friend. No, it's evil.

It's taking all our attention and making us ADD and probably dumber. We were just talking before you got here. I mean, we grew up on your movies, so it's crazy to meet you. I mean, going back to, I mean, I remember seeing Fargo probably too young and being like, even then being like, oh, this is amazing. Yeah. Right. Did you know when you got that script that you're like, this is going to be great?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I flatter myself. Most actors go, well, you know, you never know. But I do. Right. I'm pretty good at reading scripts. I read them in one sitting.

I skip the stage directions to whatever extent I can. Just read the dialogue. And that way you get to see the film in your mind's eye. It's easy to choose when you've seen the film. Right. And I think the Coen Brothers and PTA may be some of the best dialogue. Oh, fabulous dialogue. Yeah.

It's such a funny dark movie. I mean, we've played the clip where the dad dies on Fargo when he gets shot in the stomach and he's like, ooh. As dark as that moment is, it's like kind of comedic. I know. I didn't say, ooh, he says, uftah. Uffta. The great heart presenelle, yep.

It's a fabulous film. I really wanted that role and I knew it would change my life. I mean, it was Cohen Brothers. Sure. I'd seen Blood Simple. but they were the new guys. And I thought I was born to play this role. I really wanted it.

When they called me up, I've got a little cabin in Vermont. And I didn't have anyone to tell. My nearest neighbors are mile away. There was no one there. You live in train dreams. Yeah. Right. Ran out in the snow just screaming my head off.

Wow. Wow. So you auditioned for, do you know who you're up against? I do not. I went in to read for the detective, which is a sweet role. Yeah. So you would have been Francis McDormand? I didn't know for any before that.

Nobody mean that was the role you read for? No, the detective, who goes to investigate, you know, he's got the big muff. And he says, yeah, these fellas came in and he said, you know, what if we were to beat you up? And he said, well, I wouldn't like that. Oh, yeah. And they go, fronts coming in, and they all turn and look. Right. It's great scene.

Wow. Those scenes in the office were so damn tense Where you're lying over and over Right So good In the scene where She were Francis McDormand with the The old friend the Asian guy

Where She finds out he lies about being married He's hidden on her It's like And you realize how detailed these scripts are Oh yeah I know That's when she realizes that people are full of shit

You know In a strictly Aristotelian kind of way I thought What is this scene have to do with anything. It doesn't move the plot. You could take it out and nothing would happen. But I realized psychologically it really shaped the world as Franny saw it. That it's just going to pieces. She says it at the end. All of this for a little money, I just don't understand. And it gave her and us an insight into the fact that people are desperate. They're falling apart.

I love that she's almost like a mother being disappointed in you rather than being like, you're a murder. But she's like, I'm just disappointed. That energy is so funny to talk to a murderer. She's so adorable in that movie. I saw it recently a couple of years ago during the strike. I went around and we did screenings of it. And oh my Lord, I lost my heart to her again. Yeah, she's so innocent.

Then she talks to that lady on the phone about the Asian guy. Was it Mr. Takahana? Something like that. Yeah. But then she realized, oh, he lied to her. to me and that's kind of when her innocence went away she's like people are liars yeah do you think he had a room in that hotel

at the end the Asian guy do you think he had a room there was you think he was trying to sleep with her oh definitely but do you think he got the room I don't know he did he did hit on her yeah that that awkward just moves to her side of the booth is so

it's such a cringe worthy moment yeah ooh now now what I gotta ask what about Boogie Knights. I mean, you're such a, you're such a nerd. You're so desperate. Poor schmuck.

Yeah. You and Philip Seymour Hoffman's characters are like such sad characters in that movie. I know. Oh, Philip was so good in that. Amazing. Oh, yeah. I miss him. He was the best of us, man.

That guy could act. Woof. Did you know him well? Yeah. On set, we didn't hang out. We weren't friends that way, but we did two movies together, and we hung out on set, and I just adored him. Really, really interesting guy.

And surprising. He could play anything. Oh, he was the villain in Mission Impossible. And a great villain. Before the devil knows you're dead, that character's so... Oh, Lord. That's such a complicated character. Yeah.

He could do... Capote. Capote. From that to... Along came Polly. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's funny in that. Hilarious in that.

Yeah. Man. What a tragedy. I know. I saw him in the city once, just barreling down Second Avenue, and I was like, and I just got the hell out of his way, but he looked so angry. Really? Yeah, he was just, yeah, basketball shorts, it was crazy.

Damn. Yeah, unbelievable actor. When you were doing Boogie Nights, I mean, that might be the best cast ever assembled. You look back, same with Magnolia. Those two movies that are like, both, two of my favorite movies. I love them both. Oh, yeah. I mean, that character you play, Magnolia, you play a super sad character, too.

He's just going to for sad characters. I've done a lot of sad characters, I'll tell you. Yeah. Interestingly, now I'm playing powerful guys. Yeah. I guess growing up or getting old helps. Do you think that bulge was real with Tom Cruise and Magnolia? Because those underwear were pretty filled out.

You know, you're not the only one that's asked that. We did a press conference, and this woman kept saying, something about his underwear. I almost piped in, show her, man. Show her your dick. That's what you wants to see. Those tiny witties are full.

He's awesome in that movie. He's great. Oh, man, that scene, that's such a great storyline. I mean, so that's kind of like, I've heard a lot of people say that's kind of like his shortcuts, his Robert Altman shortcuts, a bunch of stories coming together.

But, man, I rewatch that when I was in Europe up doing a tour I was sick for a couple days and I just rewatch that and I was like I've never seen a three-hour movie with like no action right that just goes so quickly oh yeah it's just all human you know drama and and romance and sadness that's a sad a lot of sad characters no yeah you know there's no action but a lot happens I'm drawn to those kind of movies you know when there's somebody getting blasted to death every four minutes I just I grow weary of that so quickly. Yeah.

It means nothing after a while. It means nothing. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a comic who says fuck every other word. You're like, you're killing the word. Yeah. But there's lines in it that could have read so corny that didn't, like even you saying I have so much love to give. That could have played so corny

and it felt so sincere, you know? Right. Did you read that? And you're like, how the fuck do I make this sound? No, his stuff just flies off the page. He's a lovely writer and he runs a fabulous set um no it was that was all easy yeah that's cool how do they make the i mean like i know the

frogs well that was fun but how do you just get your brain to come up with eight different storylines and characters in each how do you put that all together in your head like we write jokes but i can't imagine writing a story with that many moving parts yeah well if you ever do write it down Some people can do it. Paul can do it. That's unbelievable. And they intertwine. That's what's great.

Of course. I've been blessed to work with some really good writers. Fabulous writers. What's your favorite script that you ever got that you read that you're like, oh, this is going to be fun? It's like naming which of your daughters you like the best. You may know, but you're never going to say. I know which one of yours I like the best. I don't know how to respond.

I'm joking. I didn't know you had daughters. Dave Mamet wrote a script called State and Maine. You ever seen that? A long time. I was too young when I saw it. Me slappingly funny. I love that when I read it. Boogie Nights, I just loved it. I so wanted it. So funny. You're fast. You started with Mamet, then, yeah?

Yeah, he was my teacher. I went to a little school in Vermont called Goddard College, and Dave was there. He just graduated. He came back as a teaching fellow. And, you know, he taught me everything I know. Wow. Because you pop up in some of those. I remember you're in House of Lies. House of Games. House of Games, sorry.

Great movie. I love that. I know the name. I messed up the name. But, yeah, that's, that movie is, if you haven't seen that movie. It's a great, that's a classic. Joe Mantana. Oh, my God.

So many twists, so cool. All right. Everybody wants to be Joe Mantania. Oh, he's awesome. He's the coolest dude. ever walked yeah oh yeah uh he was on the simpsons too fat tony fat tony that's right and then you did homicide with uh jo montania yeah which is that's an awesome movie too it really is oh that's a classic look at that he was a hunk oh my lord he back in chicago that's where i got started we had a theater

company there and he was it he was the guy yeah if you looked up cool in the dictionary it said see joey Right. Now, you were in radio days. A bit. A bit. But it counts. Yeah. Did you get to really absorb Woody? No. He shows up late. He says few words. Really? It's the first bad thing I've ever heard about him.

Robert Joy was in this thing, and I just, I'll love him for the rest of my life. But you don't get the script. So we just got the sides and we looked at it. And we were all sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. And somebody said, you know how Woody Allen always cast those weird people in his movies? We said, yeah. And he said, we're those people. So finally Woody came in and he said, okay, very soft-spoken.

He said, you're there. You stand over there. And then you'll walk over here and you said, okay, let's do it. And Bobby Joyce says, wait a minute. Who am I? Who am I talking to? Where are we? What is this? I would scare the hell out of me. I know. We were all too intimidated to ask, but he did.

And of course, Woody went, oh, sorry. And then he told us the plot and what it was all about. I always think he's the coolest guy for that. Yeah, but Jesus, you want to do well, you want to kill it, and then you don't know who the hell you're supposed to be. Yeah, this whole thing about they watermarked. Marks scripts, they've, you know, you've got, they'll hand deliver it to your door like it's a big secret. I don't understand that. I mean, what are they guarding against?

Is there somebody's going to steal the script and make the movie before them? Well, maybe they'll leak a twist ending. I don't know. This is what they do with everything, though, in entertainment. They act like it's so much more important. Like, they, when they're vetting you for SNL, they treat it like it's the CIA. I know. They're like, you said a bad word in 1997, and it's like,

All right. I'm a comedian. Yeah. That's after gig. Everything, yeah, the watermark and it's, it all, they try to scare you. I guess, I guess it's precious to them. Yeah. Well, things have changed.

Are you worried the state of movies? Is that scary? The theater's kind of fizzling out and. No. All right, good. We're going to have, somebody told me this is going to be a record box office year or the one we just ended. Yeah. But doesn't it were you that the types of movies you made in the 90s that are so precious to so many people, those movies seem to be dying away?

I think the, like, the box office might be doing well, but isn't it like avatars and these big movies? Well, that's what it takes to put them in the Cineplexes. Right, right. And I kind of like those movies. I don't like the ones, you know, like we said, where they just keep killing people. The plot gets slow. They just kill some more people. It's horseshit.

And it's not true. They're telling false stories. I've always had this idea. All right. Here we go. Have a in a series. Have a guy or a woman and we fall in love with him. Write a great character.

And then shoot him. Then shoot him. And don't take him off the series. And so you watch him deal with what a bullet does to the human body. You see him get infections. You see his wife leave him because he goes into depression. You see trying to learn how to walk again. You should see all that stuff. Now, that's a true story. And I must say, it sounds dramatic to me, but you kill 20 people. That's not dramatic. That's pornography. You know, the only thing you can do is kill 20 more.

Right. I agree, but that one's allowed in Texas, actually. But yeah. I like that. I'm with you. Because you're into the drama. That's such a, that's like what a good actor I think would think would think. It's like, yeah, that's nothing for me to do, like just get shot.

But to deal with the bullet is, that's the acting, right? Yeah, let's tell the truth about it. I think it's hurting our society. That we, you know, the whole concept of funny violence. I got a problem with that. Interesting. You kill somebody and say some quip and everybody roars. Right.

I don't think that's good for us. I would say the same with comedy. When I watch a trailer for a comedy movie and a guy gets kicked in the balls, the first second of the trailer, I'm like, this comedy's going to stick. Yeah. Although it is funny. Sure, it's funny. But if that's your go-to, right out of the gate.

Yeah, right. That's the only thing you could put in the trailer. I want the movie by the guy dealing with getting kicked in the balls. That's the movie I want. For days. He's got the ice pack. His wife leaves him. I can't do this.

He can't get it up. It's the whole thing. Now we got a comedy. Yeah. So you've done some comedies. You've done State of Maine's a comedy. Yeah, I've done a bunch. Yeah, what are they put out this thing, greatest comedies, and they put Fargo in there.

Wow. Because it is funny. It's gold in there. It's very dry humor, but it's funny. It's funny. Oh, yeah. Bouchemi funny looking. Yeah.

Oh, man, you and Bouchemi. And this, I mean, just, it's cool to see you guys lead a movie because I feel like so often you, same with the cooler. It's like cool to see you in that type of role. Yeah. Because I'd never seen a movie where William H. Macy gets the girl. Yeah. And I like that. And I thought that was cool.

Now that's unrealistic. That's a great flick, I think. If you guys haven't seen the cooler, awesome soundtrack to Vegas. Yeah. We play casinos forever. So I have a weird love for. A casino movie, too? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That was a weird. We found, we were in Reno, I think. Oof. You know my opening joke in Reno was last time was there? I've never seen fake tits in an oxygen tank on the same person before. I have. There they are.

Yeah. But they had just sold this hotel casino to someone, and they hadn't demolished it yet. And production was lucky enough to get it. So we shot on the seventh floor in the casino, and we lived on the 12th floor. We had pink eyes by the time that film was finished. We never saw the light of day, just up and down in the elevator. It's brutal, right? It worked, though.

We were sort of trapped in there, and Maria Bella was so fantastic. She's such a joy to act with. You guys together were, the chemistry was so good in that movie. It was really good. I thought so, too. Do you gamble? No, I don't. I'm not a fan of Vegas

That's for the best if you're going to live in a casino You don't want to give in to that Your whole paycheck's gone When I go to Vegas I just find the The best looking dealer Give her all my money and then go to the bar Yeah Vegas is depressing

There's not a blade of grass In the whole city I just can't find a tree to save my life Did you get uncomfortable having to do those types of sexual scenes with an actor Yeah Yeah. You tried going down to your knickers in front of Teamsters.

I have. They wouldn't give me the part. I was begging. Can we pull that up that scene? No, I'm just kidding. You know what? I married very well. My wife is smart.

Felicity Huffman. Anyway, I was pissing and moaning about these scenes because there was a lot of skin in that thing. And I thought, oh, geez, what I'm going to. And she said, you better figure this out. or get them to cut the scenes because it sounds to me like you're planning to fail. Whoa. Sounds like you're going to be okay with being bad in these scenes. And I took it to heart.

So when we met with the director, Wayne, I had analyzed all the scenes. Even scenes that didn't have much dialogue. I thought, where do we begin, where do we end? How did that move the plot? And in a lot of those scenes, it did. There was something that happened. And in a couple, I couldn't figure it out. And Wayne, to his credit, said, I can't either.

And he cut him. Whoa. Cool wife, though, to be like, you got to nail this. Yeah. No pun intended. It's tough. You know, when she does a film and that scene comes up, I just look away and close my eyes and just hummed so I can't hear anything. Right.

I get past it. Yikes. You guys have acted together, though. I remember Sports Night. That was a before it's time show, I think. That was a really good show. Oh, man, it was great. Aaron Sorkin's writing was fabulous on that.

Talk about dialogue. Yeah. But I feel like it should have lasted longer. Yeah, it was too smart for the room. Could be. Could be. And also, I think it was weird for people to see a show like that without a laugh track back then. Every show in a laugh track.

but that was Isn't it bizarre when you watch TV now and it's got on a laugh track? It sounds so primitive. Yeah. Totally. Unless it's like Seinfeld or Frazier and there's a joke like every seven seconds

and you're like all right but yeah for the most part A new show. Yeah. This is weird. Do new shows have it? Some do. It feels like the honeymooners or something. It just feels so bad.

A lot of times they'll have a live audience but they sweeten it and I don't know. Yeah. There she is. That ain't showbiz. Mm-mm. Aw. Now, you did a run, a long TV run with Shameless.

I mean, was it weird movie, then TV, then back to movie? It's the same gag at the end of the day. TV's really fast, and I personally like it because you get to act all day and supposed to sit in your trailer waiting for the lighting to be finished. Yeah. And it was. Here's one of the coolest things that happened. We had two cameras, and Shameless was an hour, a real hour.

Sometimes we went to 63, and it was okay if we went to 57. But they would write usually 65 pages for that hour. And we had a minute to shoot it. I think we shot, I think we had seven days to shoot one, and then another half day for exteriors when we went to Chicago. So it was run and gun. And we had two camera crews always, and they'd just follow us around. And the way John Wells liked the way he designed it was we'd start in this room, go into the hallway, into the bathroom, back into the hallway, and right back without a cut.

We'd shoot the whole thing. So for the actors, you got to do the whole scene over and over, not little bits of it. Yeah. You know, they'd come in for some close-ups every once in a while. but I think there was the fourth show or something. I had a really nice moment. I went to the DP and I said, when are you going to get my moment there, my close-up?

And he said, what close-up? And I said, you know, in this scene, when are you going to? He said, oh, dude, you're done. That was a second shot of the day. Whoa. And it was liberating. Yeah. It was liberating because, you know, they put the camera on you and go,

okay, do it better, which is the kiss of death. You can't do it better. Right. Just do it fully. Yes. You were directors, were there any directors who made you do it like 80 times? I've worked with directors who do take after take after take. And is it really tough?

I find it sometimes a waste of time. Unless you're doing something different, the nuances are so minor. It doesn't matter. Dave Mamet, who's the smartest guy I know, he says the audience only wants to know one thing. What happens next? They don't care about the emotions of it. They don't care about anything.

Backstory. It's all jive. What happens next? Interesting. Huh. I saw a story you told about Mammett on Rich Eisen about cheese, how we would come over and cut cheese. Yeah. It ended up in American Buffalo.

Yeah, he'd come over. He's a world when I live with Stephen Chactor and we had an apartment on Clark Street and Dave was staying at the Hotel Lincoln. That's where he lived in a room about the size of this couch. You had to step out in the hall to change your mind. It was, right. And he'd come over and he'd go, Billy, Steve, I got this idea, we're going to do it. And he'd go to the refrigerator and take out all the bread and the cheese and cut off these giant hunks,

and he's just stuffing his mouth. And when he was full, he would leave. And in the meantime, he said, we're going to rent this building, you know, I got to play, we're going to do a musical, we're going to do this. And then he'd leave. And all the cheese would be gone. And one day he came over and I said, help yourself. And he stopped.

He didn't throw a punch. But you know, you know when a guy goes red, he's not going to do anything. When he goes white, a punch is coming. Are you sure? He went white. Oh, wow. And I, he stormed in, he screamed at me. You, how many times, you selfish thing, how many times do I pick up the check?

How many times do I do it? Do you recognize those lines? they're from American Buffalo. I tracked him down. I said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please forgive me. And he begrudgingly said, okay, next time I heard anything about it, I read American Buffalo and Teach comes in and he goes, fucking Ruthie, fucking Ruthie, fucking Ruthie. I'm sitting there, I take a piece of bacon off her toast and she goes, help yourself, help myself, I should help myself to a slice of toast.

It's four pieces for a quarter. What the fuck is what this? It was the same diatribe. Wow. Damn. That's my claim to fame. You don't mess with a man's cheese. That's amazing.

Wow. Yeah, Mamet is intimidating. He's so intense. He's intense, but he's not intimidating. He's very courtly and kind and smart as a whip. Man, I've seen him say good morning to 12, 14 extras in 12, 14 extras in 12, hours later, he says goodnight to him all by name. Whoa. That's wild. He's that kind of guy. He is definitely

one of the all-time legends. I mean, his- He changed everything. His body of work is pretty... I recently watched Wag the Dog for the first time. I'd never seen it. Asterical. That is like... Really funny. Really, really... Imprescient. I was just going to say that. I mean, it's like, it's crazy. It's like, could you say that about Iran? Right. It's crazy. So, yeah. So, so many He wrote the verdict, didn't he?

Yes. I mean, that's one of the best movies, yeah. He's Paul Newman. Of course, Glengarry. Glengarry, classic. Classic, still quoted to this day. Yeah. Man, we've got to have him on.

Yeah. He's done surprise. Third prize steak knives. Yeah, I mean, so quotable. I mean, wait, Marty Supreme. What? Oh, he's in it very briefly.

Okay, I haven't seen that one yet. It's fun. It's a fun movie. All right. And you're back on TV with the land. Yeah. You're a football owner. Yeah, the Cleveland Browns.

I saw the first three episodes, rough. Don't re-sign Deshawn Watson. Well, there's the real Cleveland Browns and the real Cleveland Browns, R-E-E-E-L and R-E-A-L, and we'll be playing football side-by-side this coming season. Nice. It's a great script. You don't have to know football to enjoy it, but if you do, you'll really enjoy it because it's down, it's inside football, as they say. Well, yeah, I'm not a huge football guy, but I've watched every football movie and show.

I watched Friday Night Lights. I watched all that stuff. Well, you're going to love this one. All right. And the NFL's all over it. We've got their blessing. This is new for them. Hell yeah.

I remember when they did any given Sunday, it was so clear they didn't get their blessing. last scene because of the sharks. I've never heard of the team named the sharks. It's like the Boy Scouts. You can't say the Boy Scouts in a film. They are very protective. I didn't know that. Well, they're not doing great these days. I should have worried about other stuff. Yeah. The land. All right. Christopher Maloney's in it and Chloe Bennett. Yeah, it looks very cool. It's really cool. Big cast. This might be the biggest thing I've ever been in. What?

Really? Bridget Moynihan, how about it? I mean, the call sheet, you know, usually there's six, eight actors on it. Sometimes there's a hundred. Jesus. Huge. I mean, think about it. We play a football game.

We need the whole team and all the attendant this and that. And the other team. Right, right. That's a lot of moving parts here. It's a lot of moving parts. Oh, boy. When is this coming out? Not clear.

Okay. They wrapped. I finished up last week. Yes. Yeah. He runs a great show. Boy, he's got, he's having a moment, ain't he? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cool. All right. Cool. And you're doing a hooch. Yep. Come on.

Woody Creek Distillers. I live in, guess. Vermont? Woody Creek. Yeah. I live in Woody Creek. Felicity grew up in Woody Creek, and we bought her childhood home. Oh, wow.

And we've been there. We've been Colorado residents for going on 10 years now. Oh, wow. They live next door to me. Pat and Mary Scanlon and Mark Klechner, who started the distillery, were my neighbors. I joked that I was the only celebrity within walking distance, so I got the job. And I've been representing them for six, seven years now. Damn.

And not to be cheeky, we make the finest spirits in America. Whoa. Easy, sir. We have our own whiskey, too. We have our own whiskey, too. We've a ride as well, but they're... Let me finish. There are others, but they're none better. Okay. There you go, Billy. Yeah, are you worried? Because we just put out of whiskey as well, and, you know, Gen Z, these quiffs, they drink so little. Yeah, I think, what can you do but support them? I mean, half my friends drink too much. Yeah, but they're funner. The other half of my friends don't drink enough. There you go. Jim Jeffries is a great line where he says,

all my friends who don't drink, their stories stink, they all end with, and then I got home. Well, you know what? Everybody turns 40 at some point, and the Ziers and the Xers are going to turn 40, and they're going to look around and look in the mirror, and they're going to go to a bar. Hopefully.

And it's purple gin. Yeah, well, I think the thing to do, getting back to them is, We're trying to say drink less, good for you, but drink better. There you go. I like that. And everything we make comes from Colorado, with the exception of the gin, of course. But every other ingredient is within 100 miles of us.

We know the farmers now for over a decade, same farmers over and over. Everything's made in our distillery. It's a nice-looking distillery we've got these huge Christian Carl Stills. They are magnificent. I love it still. German still. Wow, look at that. Look at that.

That's the real deal. Look at those potatoes, baby. Yeah, I just visited the guy that grows our potatoes. It's when we, there's eight potatoes or eight pounds of potatoes in every bottle of vodka. It's 100% potato vodka. Wow. Oh, my Lord. It's not a smart way to make vodka.

Nah. Because it's very expensive. They're fresh potatoes. Look at that. Are the bottles expensive? No. One of the things that Mary and Pat Scanlon wanted to do was keep it a price point so that everybody could afford it. And so we're right smack in the middle. We've got some signature stuff. I put out a signature rye whiskey and that's spendy, but it's 10 years old bottled and bond. It's pretty cool. All right. And as you can see, most of our, I work for mostly women. We're mostly a women-run distillery. Okay. And look at this. Gin colored with butterfly pea flower extract.

That sounds very nice. Fun. That's what makes it purple. Oh, really? Yeah. Is gin back? It's the most popular? It's really popular.

I mean, people that don't like gin like that. Oh. I put it on a rocks glass, put a little squeeze a lemon in it. That's right there. Wow. Jen and tonic or any of the gin cocktails. Oh, it's so good. All right.

Is gin your favorite? Yeah, I'm not a big cocktail guy because of all the sugar. And I guess mostly I drink rye whiskey and I just like it on the rocks. And I like multiple rocks, not the big rock, because I like it to melt. You get Sean Kenyans, who's a bartender, extraordinary. He says, you get three drinks. You get that first sip in the middle when it's melted a bit. And then you get, he said, I even like the brown water at the end.

Right. Yeah, same. It's like the milk at the end of a cereal. That's Sean Kenyon. There he is. I would say the coolest man that ever lived. Northern Montana? Yeah.

Oh, sucky, Joe. Sorry, Joey. Sorry. He and I, Sean and I did a motorcycle trip with these guys from Fortalacia tequila. We started in Rome, went down, went up the boot of Italy, into the Alps, and ended up at the big liquor show in Berlin. Wow. I thought it was going to die every day. These guys from Fortaleza, they were all in their 20s.

Yeah. They can't die. I knew I was going to die. You weren't drinking while riding, were you? We drank right after we rode. Nice. It was great. We went up through the Alps.

It's called the Fricka Pass, something Pass. Everybody goes there to ride their motorcycle. Pull that up. I want to see what that looks like. Fricka Pass. Oh my Lord. Imagine riding a hog through that? That is scary, dude.

Yeah. Wow. You look to your left and it's snow-capped peaks. You look to your right and you can't see the bottom. It's just... Wow. That's living. And there are tour buses that take that.

And Sean, who is a magnificent rider, he would go screaming around the tour bus and get in front. And when it was clear, he would wave us all on. Jesus. And we screamed up the Alps. And some of these switchbacks, could see your own taillights. Yeah.

Oh my, I didn't take you for a hog guy. I mean, you were in wild hogs. Yeah, it was a Harley rider. We were on beemers and... When you got that role, do they ask, can you ride? Yeah, and I could. Wow. But we trained.

We trained for wild hogs. I'm on... I've got triumphs now. Oh, nice. I keep it in. I've got the 1,200 in Colorado, but we still have our house. in L.A. and I've got a little T-100 and that's just great for getting around

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Looks like he loves a good old classic Thanksgiving, classic stuffing on Thanksgiving for holidays and parties. and get super annoyed when everyone tries to spruce it up with a fun spin and makes fancy ingredients. Just stick with the classics. I completely agree. I've gotten to the point where I say, just get the box. Sto top. I don't want, you know.

I'm with you. There's too many giant walnuts in there and stuff. Yeah. Let's settle down. Marshallows. I made my special stuffing with okra and sweet potatoes. I go, what the? I wait all year for this meal.

Come on. You get one. Yeah. You get one shot at it every year. Yeah. I'm with you. People put weird stuff in macaroni and cheese. Like, come on.

Yeah. Just give me the mac and cheese. Everybody, it's already a hit. We didn't even grow up with mac and cheese as a side on Thanksgiving, which I'm kind of bummed about it. Oh, I love a good mac and cheese. You know, you get the candy dams. Those are love a good candy dam. Sure.

Yeah. But the turkey and stuffing. That's the gravy. They're carrying the white. We call it a perfect bite in line. Yeah. Agreed. I like the dark meat, that with some stuffing on it.

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When leaving a voicemail, he gets annoyed at the robotic woman's voice. Like when you finish, you may hang up or push the button, and that button is like, yeah, no shit. I'm leaving a message. I know to hang up when I'm done. Yeah. When you're making a lot of calls and leaving a lot of messages, and she tells you you can hang up when you're finished, why do we need that?

Have they found people dead of starvation who didn't hang up the phone, didn't know what to do? Yeah, why are you reading me my rights? Right. We got it. Sign felled a bit about that. Also, I was getting gas in L.A.

And there are all of these signs saying, it's going to kill you. If you're pregnant, you're going to kill your baby, and if you're not pregnant, you're going to get pregnant. It's all these warnings of what the gasoline, What is the point? Do they want us to just abandon our cars? Why are they telling us this?

You've got to fill your car with gasoline. Right. What good is that? Yeah. I'll tell you what good it is. It keeps lawyers. Ah, that's what it is. They've got something to write.

Yeah, it's like when you go to the airport and they're like, senior citizen thieves are up. What do they call that? Old people trafficking? And I'm like, who's this stopping? You know, like, watch out for old people being trafficked. And I'm like, if I was a trucker. trafficker of old people, this billboard wouldn't change me.

Yeah. Well, what do they call that when they, when they steal old people? There's a term for it. I saw it in L.A. Kidnapping, not kidnapping, I guess. What is it? Adult napping? They take old people, like senior...

I'll bite. What do they want... Benefits tracking? Is that what it is? Oh, yeah, they steal their benefits, yeah. No, I'm talking about there's a whole billboard in that, the L-A-X about stealing old people. Well, I guess, slave labor. I guess, but that's the worst slave. labor, yeah.

Yeah. What are they going to knit? If they knit it enough, you could have a clothing. Elder abuse. That's what it is. Elder abuse. There it is. Women trafficking is real.

I got to say, I think that's a real thing, and that's really kind of serious. But who's this going to stop with a billboard? Like, all right, I saw the billboard. It's not for the traffickers. It's for you to be on the lookout. All right, all right. Well, if I saw a guy hitting an old lady, I would need a billboard. Yeah.

Yeah, I would just jump in. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's common sense. Yeah. It's like saying don't steal kids. I'm like, all right, got it. Yeah. Damn, I was just going to steal one too.

Right, right. All right, you get annoyed at the warnings and the signs. Oh, we did, okay. Recommendations, the Bradley Cooper Will Arnett movie. Oh, you liked it. I have not seen it, actually. We watched that get shot around here. Is this thing on it?

It's hysterical. Okay. All right. Our friends are in it. A bunch of comics. They shot at the comedy seller. Bradley's in it, too. And it was a quarter of the way through.

And I thought, that's him. He's a good-looking guy. And he plays such a fabulous nerd. And there's a joke they set up in that with this photograph. And, you know, I know something about script writing. And I thought, they're going to pay this off. And for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how they were going to do it. Yeah.

And he did. And, oh, Lord, I peed my pants. It was so funny. All right. That's a fabulous movie. Okay. Because as a comedian, there's a lot of big. bad stand-up movies they're just so unrealistic and cheesy but I was too scared to watch

but on your right we're so in this it's hard it's hard for us to watch stand-up movies but it's not that big a player in it and it it's necessary for the plot okay okay but you ever seen those YouTube videos where they show like a marksman or a Marine and they show them a movie and they're like this is ridiculous that would never happen sure you know so yeah my dad was a pilot in World War II flew a B-17 and I took him to see Memphis Bell and he sort of enjoyed it but he said that's ridiculous the idea that you'd get in a fight with someone when you're over enemy territory with Messerschmits and flack and you're going to have a fist fight about some girl that's the stupidest thing

yeah there's some stuff and he said also you can't talk right you can't talk to each other you got four Rolls-Royce engines right by you right with no mufflers yeah it just takes you out of the movie there's some stuff in the movie movie Lenny with Dustin Hoffman. They were just like, oh, you know, and he's a great actor. And the movie's got some great parts too, but there's just, yeah, as a comic, you're just like, oh man, even the comic of that age one, you know who played a great comic with Sandler and funny people, but he's a comic. So he knows. Good point. When I thought, when I saw Hamnet and they end up at the old globe and I thought, oh, no, don't, don't show acting. You can't,

you can't make a movie of stage acting. It just, never works. Yes. And it did. They pulled it off. I got to see it. It's so moving. It's because it wasn't so much about them on stage.

It was the look on her face. She had never been to a play before. Right, right. That just killed me. Oh, yeah. The run of Oscars, the nominees this year were pretty damn good. There were some good stuff, man. Yeah.

It was not a good year to get an Oscar nomination. Yeah. Yeah. Stiff competition. Yeah. Okay. Severance, great show. Took me a second, but boy, once you're in, you're in.

I got a good. watch it. That's next to my list. I'm going to watch. It's astounding. I don't know how they keep that ball in the air that long. Yeah. Yeah. So smart. So relevant. Yeah. Kind of eerie, too. Almost as like a 60s twilight-y, zony kind of vibe. I think Ben Stiller is that he's the guy. Yeah. He directs. He wrote some of them, I think, and he directed a whole bunch of them. It's brilliant work on his part. Brilliant. And he just has a show now. He produces called Born to Bowl that I'm a huge fan of on HBO. It's like a docie series about the bowling world. Fascinating. The doc on his parents was great that he did. Oh yeah. Stiller and Mirror. I loved it. Yeah, that was great. I watched that off your Rick. Yeah. Heavy, heavy stuff.

And Veep. Veepe is another, I love VEVEVE. VEP is underrated. To joke a second. Hilarious. Everyone's out for themselves. I love it. Yeah. Julie Louise is a beast. insane ensemble. This is what I love about it, too. It's farcical. I mean, it's really broad. And yet those guys play it so truthfully that they get away with it.

Yeah. Selfish, fun. She's fabulous. Oh, yeah. She kills everything she does. She's great. She's great. We got to get her on.

She's a dream guest. Yeah, we got to. I don't see her on a lot of pods. What do you think about the pod world, the podcast world? Have you done a lot of podcasts? Yeah. Recently in the last year and a half, is it weird?

No, this is, I love this. We just get to sit together and shoot the shit. It's better than a talk show. An interview or a talk show where everything's got to be chopped up. And a lot of my friends listen to a lot of podcasts. Felicity loves them. All right. Great.

Yeah, I remember I did, what's the guy's name? Rich Eisen. and I showed up and I was like, all right, here we go. What do you guys do, an hour, hour and a half? They're like, eight minutes. And I was like, oh, this is TV. I forgot. This is like the old way.

Yeah. Because you can't really get too far with eight minutes. No. But here we can really dig in. Yeah, and you can cut it down later, but it's fun to be able to talk. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I got a peeve.

Please. Is when a girl I started seeing every story she tells she gives like the full name of the people. She'd be like, I was talking to a Peter Glass. And then Rick Stevens. I'm like, I don't know any of these. I don't know. I'm not the BBC. I'm not fact-checking these stories. You can just tell me the first name. Yeah, that's true. I don't need all this. It's not a huge peeve. It's just like, what do you? It's just adding to the story. Now I get it. Then how about this guy who does this one too, off of that one, piggybacking? The guy goes, so I was hanging out with Bob Johnson. You know Bob Johnson? You're like, no, I don't know Bob Johnson. Oh, okay. Yeah, I thought you might know him. Now, I don't know him. All right, well, then I was hanging out with Philip Johnson. The other day, you know Philip Johnson? Like, no, I don't know anybody. Just tell the story. I don't know these people.

Yeah, the cast is secondary to the story. I don't know the cast. Yes, yes. And you feel like an idiot. How about this? Hey, how was your vacation in Italy? And they pull out their phone. It was great.

You've got to show you this. Five minutes later, he's still trying to find this freaking picture. You got to prepare that if you're going to show me. And these stories better dazzle me. Right. These pictures? I know. Isn't it a crazy thing in the 90s?

You would invite people over to show them a slideshow of your trip. That was like a thing where people would come by with a case of beer or a bottle of wine and they'd be like, oh, you went to Rome. By the way, this is a wreck too. Old headphones. Seven bucks on Amazon. I've lost like three pairs of AirPods drunk. I love an AirPods. I like him, but this is, I'm telling you, dude.

I know they tie themselves into knots. They do. The knots are, that's a peeve. I'll give you that. But what's great about these is I never have someone say I can't. And the AirPods is always like, I can't hear you. There's always an issue on the call. Right, right.

Never an issue with these. That's true. That's true. And I think there's something about the wire that people give you more respect. You got AirPods in and people are like, hey, what's up, man? And you've got to do this. But with the wire, people leave you alone. It looks more important.

It looks more important. Do you guys have to, you're both in the business and you're both rock-on tours. But when you're chatting with your friends, when you're out with civilians and they tell stories, I'm a bit ADD anyway. And my wife says, I got to learn to cover it because someone will. start telling a story who thinks he or she is a great storyteller and I know fall asleep. That's what this is for right here. Yes.

You got to have an ending, folks. If you're going to hold court and tell a story, you better have a nice... Drive for the curtain. Drive for the curtain. Yes. Yes. Cut, edit. Keep it tight.

And a nice twist and a bow at the end. That's why I love to hang out with actors. Everybody tells great stories. Yes. And then give somebody else time. When you're with the people that don't do what we do, you tell your story. And just as you get to the punch land, they go, you know, a funny thing happened to me? Wait a second.

I'm just about to tell the... Right. I was building tension. Yes. Jeez. I know. It's brutal. No, now, we got to ask, what actors do you really hate?

Modine? No. Come on. No. I've never acted with Matthew. Should I hate him? No, he's just throwing a random name. Tommy Lee Jones, huh?

He was rough. Was he? Oh, really? I'm not letting out any secrets, and he would... I've heard he's rough for a lot of people. I didn't know that. I've also heard he's a bad tipper. Oh!

You hear that, Tom? That's like the word in the street in Texas. He doesn't tip. Whoa. Crazy. Yeah, I heard the Jim Carrey story. What did you work with him on? I did not work with him.

Wait, was I in a Jim Carrey movie? No, no, Tommy Lee Jones. Oh, the client? The client, pull it up. It's one of those big ones. Was he just kind of a curmudgeon or what? Oh, I love the client. I did not act with him, but I've just heard that he can be really tough.

You know, there are a lot of actors out there. It pisses me off. There are a lot of actors out there who make life miserable for a lot of people, and they don't get busted for it. And it pisses me off. Life is too short. Here, here. Man, it's a great gig.

We're acting for a living. Like, what are you complaining about? Right. You know, there's roofers out there. I think, I think they're frightened is what it is. They're frightened and I've seen it. You've got two things that are, you've got this script that you've got to hang your ass over the line. You've got to this script.

What are you going to do? It's a great unknown. You don't know how to solve the problem. And some actors love it, the great unknown. You're flying without a parachute. Sure. They love that, and it's improvisatory. But other actors get frightened,

and so they create something they can be angry with. So it's the catering or it's the costume or it's the DP. You know, can you clear the eye line? Can you? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. You never hear about that, like, other jobs, though. It's so funny.

What do you mean? I don't know. You're like, I need a motivation today. Oh, yeah, right. I got to be a dick. Yeah, you're a truck driver. You don't need a motivation. Just get there.

Yeah, we have the luckiest people in the world. You're right. We could be working for a living. Yeah. Be grateful. Yeah, right. And you're beloved. People love your characters all over the world.

It's awesome. How about, I just forgot, you're in Air Force One. You're in so many movies that it's like, it's crazy to be in so many movies. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're in another classic. Yeah. Get off my pod. Yeah, I mean, that was a huge, huge hit movie. That was big.

Harrison's a real deal, too. He was fun to work with? Yeah, yeah. He's an icon. He's intense. Of course, it was an intense role. He can also be very funny. And he's a pilot, I believe.

Yes, yes. Cool, dude. It started out as a carpenter. And he would read the scripts on Star Wars, and then they hired him. I remember he popped up in the, he's like really young in that movie, The Conversation, remember? No. He's a really small one. The Coppola film, the conversation?

Yeah, Harrison Ford's in it. Wow. Is that his first flick? I don't know. Look how he was a handsome guy. It really is. Wow, he was also in, I believe, Apocalypse now. Was it?

Pull it up? I think he's got a two-second part. He flew all the way out there for two seconds? Boom! Look at that. He's like a private. Wow. Yeah. It's a bit part.

Bit part. Because I remember him. I think he's got one line. Damn. And I think what's his name? Fishburn lied about his age to get in that. He did. Yeah.

I talked to the fish about that. The fish. He's a cool guy. I mean, he's in the Matrix. I mean, what is it about brothers who direct? There's something there. You got the Wachowski, you got the Cohen. You got the Farley.

Oh, that's true. They transition. Both of them, which is crazy. Both of them. What are the odds. I know. They made a really cool movie in the 90s. You ever see that one bound with Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershaw?

Great 90s flick. It's a hot couple. It's like a 90s noir. Oh, fun. There's Susan. I'm going to do a film with Susan Serendon next. I heard. It's right.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Boy, talk about a resume. All your favorite movies. She's in every single one. Bull Durham, the client. It just doesn't end. Rocky Horror Picture Show.

She's pretty milphy. Oh, Thelman Louise. Oh, come on. Darker than you remember that movie. Yeah, yeah, they kill some people. Yeah. I guess I should think it's dark. The famous thing is I'm driving off a cliff.

Right. Good point. I'm like, no, it's actually dark. It's not for everyone. No. It's a cool movie. Very cool. Young Brad Pitt.

Oh, look at that. So can you talk about what's that movie about? you're doing with Susan? It's an odd plot, but through the machinations of the script, they end up in a homeless camp. And it's all about that. She's got a disease. I play her husband. And I think it's a tearjerker.

I think it's going to be really sweet. All right. Great relationship we have on the film. Okay. Are there any directors that you're like, oh, I really wish I worked with that person? Oh, yeah, lots. Like, you ever do Tarantino? No. I'd love to. Yeah.

You know, I didn't get to work with, I don't know if, well, Francis Coppola made another film, but, you know, those guys that I. Megalopolis, too, make it happen. I'd love to work with them. Yeah, there are lots. Scorsese Absolutely In a New York minute Oh yeah

Come on Marty What are we doing here Get the band in the movie I remember seeing you In Mr. Holland's opus Oh That was a good one Yeah

They were the principal I was the principal You were a great story Yeah I nobody knew who I was It was way back I think it was Yeah

It was before Fargo Probably And at any rate I got myself a buzz cut. I had a flat top. And Mr. Holland has lost control of his class. So the kids are all screaming and yelling. And as the vice principal, I go walking in and I say, what's going on?

And I tell him to sit down and I got a big voice and I can really. And I did it so big that these couple of girls sort of giggled. And I turned on them with a vengeance. And they said, you think this is funny? And they scared the shit out of them. So I'm sitting in my chair, we're lighting the thing, and these girls come up and they go, are you really a vice principal? And I said, no, no, I'm not really vice principal.

They said, oh, what do you do? Wow. That's great. That's flattering. They bought it. Look at that stiff. I mean, that is a 50s vice principal. Yeah, completely.

That's a year in trouble. Totally. Yeah, holy shit. Man, that buzz is beautiful. Thank you for smoking another great one. Oh, yeah. Great, great movie. Richard Dr.

That's a comedy. That's true. That's very funny. I knew it was coming, though. It's called Mr. Holland's opus, and it took place in this auditorium, and I thought, and they put me right in the middle of it, and I thought, oh, my God, I'm going to be in every shot. So I spent a week looking at Richard's back as he waved his arms with the little stick. It just went on and on and on and on. Let me ask your advice here

I'm the worst actor on the planet I've auditioned for 5,000 things I've never gotten one Somebody told me to dress the part Would you agree with that? Yeah So are you going for a principal Do you go glasses, suit, haircut?

You got to trick them Look at an audition The most nervous person in the room Is the director Because if he or she cast this well you're almost home. If you cast it badly, why bother?

If you blow the casting. So they're praying for the character to walk in the room. Now, if you do too much, it's unseemly somehow. But you do just enough. You find that part of yourself that could be a school teacher.

Right. Just a little bit of it. And you act that way. just a little bit. If you get caught, that's no good. Aha. So you go a little extra. A little over the top?

Just, now everything is self-tapes. My daughter, Sophia Macy, is doing hundreds of self-tapes. And I tell her, dress the part. If it's a doctor, at least wear all white or something like that. In other words, help the director out as much as you can. Yeah. Visualize it. Yeah.

Yeah. Be that character a little bit when you walk in the room. Well, I did a pool boy audition, and I said, screw it. I'm going to go shirtless just to mix it up. And I still didn't get it, which is even worse, because now you just walk out of there with no shirt on. Very embarrassing. Auditioning is tough, man. It's the worst part of the business.

I hate it. I mean, if you're a one in a million type, there's seven of you here in Manhattan. Right. Yes. It's true. Sometimes I've just got to look the part, and that's it. It doesn't even matter the act. We wrote a movie and we're in the process, hopefully filming it in July, but there's been so many hurdles.

It's a minor miracle. It's crazy. Yeah. I think we're still going to shoot in July, but it's been, it's our first movie, so we'll, you know. It's tough. It's like getting a woman pregnant at 45. It can happen, but it's rare. It might not come out so good.

Yeah. A little wonky. Who wrote it? We wrote it. Yeah, with two other writers. Got it. Noah and Esther. So yeah.

Yeah, just straight comedy. Joke, joke, joke. Yeah, it's an indie. Indy, big indie. Indy, yeah. But it's, you know, we love movies. We want to do it at some point. But, you know, we're not going to be like a guy like you, but we like, we like movies.

Yeah. Being comedians. So we think, you know, that's what we want to be in it too? Oh, yeah. Who's going to direct it? Jonah Feingold. Got it. Who's done some cool stuff.

Oh, yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully it works out. Yeah. Hopefully we can shoot this summer and get that. puppy out there on the streamers it's fun i love making movies yeah it's i it's just rare in this world when you get this disparate group of people all pulling in the same direction for a piece of art yes that's something that is great and we're all just playing make believe as adults it's a wild

wild occupation i heard i saw a clip of brian regan you know great comedian recently saying like i would paid to do comedy. Right. Get paid to do comedy. Exactly. He said, it's like the big, like I pay to play golf. I love golf. I love doing comedy. And I was just like, oh wow, yeah, it's a great way to just look at life. The best. This is fun.

I used to pay to do comedy. I've opened mics used to charge you five bucks, remember that? Yeah. Crazy. That's how you know you want it. I love these guys who start comedy and are like, so how do I get an agent? When do I start making money? And I'm like, you're already out. You don't like it enough. If they're focused on the wrong stuff. Are there any, young actors or actresses that you look at that you're like, oh, this is really cool.

Oh, yeah. I mean, well, I'll say it. My daughter, Sophia Macy. I watch her on these self-tapes and I think, oh, man, you are annoyingly good. She's got that it thing, you know? Well, you become from two parents who do you think she... I don't know if you can... Good stock.

Maybe it has something to do with it. But maybe they pick up on your mannerisms. I think that's a thing. I think that's a thing. Like I met my biological father late in life. We had these same fucking mannerisms. No way. I think some of it is innate.

Yeah, I agree. Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean, they laugh about the dinner table because, you know, we were just talking about cut to the chase, hon. Yeah. They said you were taking your life in your own hands.

Felicity was really good saying, how was your day? But I just couldn't help myself. When it started going off the rails, I would say, stick to it, hun. you're losing me here yeah what's even rightman rightman's son is a great director oh jason right yeah oh yeah incredible so there's got to be smoking thank you for smoking yeah yes he's a great director that was a great movie it was that was that's that's a dark comedy right isn't it yeah oh yeah oh yeah did he do up in the air yeah great movie great movie that's that hit as traveling comedians i was like holy shit totally i've had too many conversations

about airline status. That really, I was like, oh, how do we get this? You know, how do we get this perk? Yeah, that hit. Oh, yeah. Great flick. Now, where are you out on the NEPO stuff? Because some people really come down hard on the NEPO, but I'm like, well, why wouldn't

she go for being an actress, you know? Like, just because her parents, she can't act? Yeah. I never got that NEPO hate. I get if they stink. And you're like, okay, she got in because of this. But if you're good, you're good. You know, nepotism might get you a role, and it might get you two roles.

but if you're not good, you're not going to get a third role. There you go. This is a tough business. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the business feels like it's changing, too, so you've got to really keep up with it. Yeah, this AI thing. Ugh.

Don't know what's going to happen. Scary. I think the government should get involved. I think we should watermark anything that's, especially in the, if there's a copyright kind of a thing. Just watermark it. And let us decide. That's good. That's good.

I mean, if the score of the film was made by a computer by AI, just let us know and we'll decide whether we want to go see that movie or not. Yeah, I like it. I hope that people want to support people. I think that's part of, you know, like I love sports and I love watching a player having to reinvent their game as they get older and adapt and maybe they don't have the speed and they have to, you know, I like monitoring, you know, an actor's rise. and a director.

I like following their career. Like, the Scorsese doc was so fascinating because we're seeing how he starts with like boxcar Bertha and then ends up, you know, the aviator to all these other movies. And it's like, that's interesting. It's not interesting

for a created robots ascendance. Exactly. Yeah, and you can think with humans as a twinkle. There's something there. Like, you ever see AI porn? It's not the same. There's no sadness. There's no struggle.

I need the real runaway. you know, trauma. You might have created the only good place for AI. It's porn. Damn. Maybe. Anal insertion. I'm not against it.

I recently, okay, like, you're going to play a cling on or something like that. You got two choices. You want to sit in the chair and the makeup chair for six and a half hours. Right. Or just do a little bit and let AI do the rest. That's not bad. It's still my face. I did Planet of the Apes, the new one.

And I got to act with all. all these guys because they wore a suit and it had sensors in it and they wore this sort of cloth helmet. But I was looking at their faces. And then when you looked in the monitor, they were apes in real time. So you had to do some real acting there. Yeah, and you knew what was going on. It was a tool.

They didn't even use what we saw in the monitor. They did it all again. Right. But that works. That's not bad, yeah, because it's special effects. anyway with the makeup but you want to know what we went we did a big opening for it it was a big splashy movie made a lot of money and uh i think we did it yeah we did it at grommens in in l.a. And um the young woman who was in it she was a human there were I was a human there were other humans

but they didn't have roles they were just humans yeah and I walked in and everybody went crazy for the two of us. And these poor schmucks, these guys who had been working on this thing for two years, they walked in, nobody knew who they were. That sucks. Yeah, it's like the backup band. Yeah.

You know, Springsteen or something. Ah, that does stink. Look at that. All right, wow. Boy, you got a lot of range. You're in all, every different kind of role. Yeah, I'm a lucky guy. Yeah.

And you got stuff in the backburner, too. You got the TV show, the land, and you got the Sarandon movie. Yeah, you don't really have to ever retire. You can kind of do this forever. Yeah, there's an alter-cocker almost in every film. Who what? An old guy. Oh.

So as long as I can stay upright and learn the lines, why not? Yeah, keep going. Although, it is a lot of work. I might be getting to the 10-hour day. I'm afraid. I might have to say. You got enough juice for that? I, the land is episodic, so I had a couple of full days, but man, when I had a 12-hour day, I'm out of juice at 10.

Yeah, I hear you. But you seem pretty healthy. I mean, you're fit. Yeah. You got your stuff together, it seems. Full out of hair. I got my hair. I got my health, but it's a 12-hour day, especially if you've got a lot to do and you're concentrating the whole time.

I'm done in. I'm rung out by that time. Oh, I get it. You're on. That's why movies are tough for me. I've only been in a couple, but there's so much downtime. I just want to get moving. We're comedians.

We write a joke. We tell the joke. Yeah. We'll do TV. It mostly very fast. All right. I do like having the response. Like, I know if a joke's funny that night.

Right. I love that. Yeah, script. Comedy's hard. You know, is this funny? I guess people do table reads and stuff. Oh, yeah. Man, is it nice to just know.

It is. Or to at least know if it's close, and you're like, all right, and keep tweaking. Right. But. Yeah, we need the audience. Yeah. And when you're on a film, there's a danger to start playing to the grips, and that's death. You know, first time they hear it, they laugh.

Right. You try to get them to keep laughing. No. Yeah. One of the hardest things in acting is when you do it and you did it fully, and you had a nice moment. Stop, that's it. Don't keep trying to improve it.

That's why when they come up for your close-up, you go, well, I did it great and the master, but I'm going to do it a little bit better. It's just a kiss of death. Totally. You don't do it better. Just do it again fully. Yes.

I heard Eastwood does a million takes. No, he does one, right? Oh, okay. Are there any movie records? you have because our audience loves a good wreck. Films that have been in that didn't work? No, I meant like a film recommendation, but no, that's good. Oh, Rex.

That we would like or maybe not know of. But that's interesting too, like being in a movie and being like this is going to work and it just doesn't. That's actually pretty interesting too. That's fascinating. We have that with jokes. Well, it's this thing on. I love that. I watched all the Oscars this year.

I liked Hamnet. What's a movie you think is overrated? bring up the Oscar films Secret Agent Was that one of them? Oh, that was one, yeah. The Hispanic guy. I could not

I kept waiting for that film to begin. Everyone loved it. Wow. I'm an outlier on this. I was well acted. I didn't either. He's good, the main guy. Yeah, he's fabulous.

But all right, yeah, it's brilliantly rewarding, is the review hilarious okay that didn't begin got it never got off the ground i'm old-fashioned when it comes to films i i like a good story i like the ending to be unexpected yeah i believe in three-act structure um if i don't know it's sort of the robert mckeet you know robert mckee he did a story structure class he was the guru for a long time his books are out there it took seminar with him over the weekend. And he teaches three-act structure and his premise is... Is this the guy they did an adaptation where Brian Cox plays him?

Could be. Could be. Anyway, he's the smartest guy. He really... He says that the cavemen used three-act structure. It's the way our brains work. Interesting. And basically he says, you better know who the good guy is and who the bad guy is

what the issue is by about page 30 because you'll lose them if you don't. Right. You know what's awesome? I was, we watched Mean Streets the other night and there's that shot where De Niro walks into the bar with two girls, one on, you know, on each

arm, and they zoom in on Kytel and you could just tell he's fucking annoyed with it. And it's like, oh, you know exactly who they are in that one shot. Yes. Fabulous filmmaking. Yeah, really cool. I love it when they can, when they say, You want to try it without saying it?

I love that. Oh, interesting. I think audiences like it, too, like that moment. That was a really cool moment. And it doesn't hurt when you're playing the Rolling Stones over it, too. True. But I mean, you think of your character in Bouging Nights. We knew exactly who that guy was instantly.

I'm sure you hear about this shot all the time, but that one of you just walking through the party on the countdown has got to be one of the most iconic shots. That's like an I've arrived as a director. shot. Unbelievable. It's like a play. Everyone's in the right places. It's incredible. How many times did you have to do that? Well, the

gore gun, as they call it, it's a backpack I had on it in a little tube coming up. And this is back in the day I operated it. So they hooked it up to the pistol. So when I pulled the trigger, it fired the gorgon.

And we Gore gun. We went through. it you know it's a long scene i i start in the bedroom go out to the car come back go all the way through the party and there's 60 people in their partying and then walk into the room and you hear shots and then i walk back out and then i blow my brains out yeah thanks for ruining it first time we did it uh it it wasn't ready so paul cut it so because it took a long time to clean all that stuff up right second time i walked to

out of the room and the gore gun went off by accident. Whoa. So we were shut down for an hour while they cleaned all that stuff up. Whoa. Third time, it worked. And they're starting to get me ready to do another take. And I looked at all of them. Paul's in front of the monitor.

And I watched them and I heard the shot and they all went, ooh, like this. Their hands went in the air and they looked away and they said, play it again. And the second time they went, ooh. And I thought, I think we got the shot. Yeah. And we did. That was it. Wow.

The one time it worked. That's a good feeling when the crew reacts. Damn. Ah, such a good. Now, do you find that younger people are finding these 90s movies? Yeah, I hear about Boogie Nights a lot. And Magnolia, Shamelessness having a rebirth. There's all these young people come up.

That was a while ago and all these people. Felicity's having a rebirth with Desperate Housewives. Wow, yeah. It's back. Moms are watching it with their daughters, and she gets recognized a lot for that. Well, old TV was great. I mean, that's why people still watch The Office and Seinfeld and all that stuff, because it was well done. I still do.

I watch the, it's my go-to. The Office? The Office or Seinfeld or Veep or Modern Family. Oh, great show. Love them. I've watched Old Simpsons still all the time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you were in The Sim.

That's got to feel good. Yeah, I don't know. what I did. What do you mean? My role was they go, hi, it's William H. Macy. I said, yeah, you know the thing about independent films, and then

they beat the shit out of me. But I got the jacket. They sent me a jacket. Oh, you got a jacket? What kind of jacket do you get? It's a baseball jacket with all this stuff. What? Whoa. It's pretty cool. We were going to end this

part the same way. I'm just going to wail on you. No, that's fun. That's it. Oh, dude. Tell me about your whiskey. Okay. Hit them, Sam.

Well, we call a bodega cat because our idea was what makes you happy. It's just something that makes you happy. You're in a bodega late at night, and a little cat comes out. We just always made a smile. I get it. That was that. And then, you know, we like rye. So, yeah, we drink a lot of Manhattan's.

That was kind of, and we always liked it with rye. and made in Indiana, bottled in Kentucky. Mm-hmm. And it's got a great spice to it. The flavor is really unique. This prints too small. What's the mash bill for you? Oh, God.

See, I don't know off the top of my head. Oh, God. It's not all right, is it? No. I think it's 95 and 5. Let me see. But yeah, every show we do, it's a bodega flowing. All the fans are drinking it.

It's moving. Nice. Good. Good for you. Yeah. Well, you should definitely take a bottle off here. Yeah. No pressure. We'll keep yours in the studio.

Yeah. Yeah, try that purple gin. I can't wait. I think next episode will do it. Yeah, let's do it. Any way you can sign the bottle just for old time's sake? I think I could. Awesome.

Ooh. Yeah, we got Nick Offerman's whiskey over there as well. Yeah. The Lagovolent. You know, last week I met an actor who doesn't have a whiskey brand. Why is it that we're all drawn to whiskey? Well, it's Clooney's tequila. That's true.

It's because it's, for me, it's the romance of it. It was 2,000 years ago that we figured out the Alemix still. Nobody knows who did it first. There's a good chance that they were trying to turn silver into gold. Whoa. And that's where they came up. And the whole distillation process predates written history. So it might have been messrs.

Soopotamia, it might have been in China, could have been in Europe. But the process has not changed. Yeah. Our still, we'd take a pot, put some grain in, boil it, catch the steam, and cool it down, drink with ice. Not to mention it's with all the cool characters drink, like cowboys or private eyes. It's always whiskey. Don Draper, Hammingway. Yeah.

A bottle of rye. Yes. And I love rye in particular because I think it's America's drink. It was America's drink before bourbon. And the bourbon makers were ready. As soon as Prohibition was repealed, they were ready to go. Oh, yeah. And Rye sort of died with, it's having a comeback, but it died with Prohibition.

Oh. I tell this story a lot. I hope it's true. But when George Washington left office, they bounced his last two checks. The government did. He needed money. You didn't make a lot of money. He was rich.

He didn't make a lot of money being president, so he started distilling rye whiskey. And it was all in the East Coast. That's what everybody drank rye whiskey. Old Menongahela, they called it, after the river. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, that's where they made it. Wow. Wow, they weren't doing an insider trading back then? He didn't have a meme coin you could sell?

What the hell? Well, hey, check out the land. Get a bottle. And watch some of his classics, too. He's in so many great movies. I mean, an insane resume. Oh, yeah. You're one of the great American actors.

Well, thank you, brothers. So cool to meet you and have you on, and thank you so much, man. And I can't wait to try your rye whiskey. And we're going to try yours, too. Oh, yeah. Three ice cubes. You're good to go. I've been, we go to various places like big chains that liquor stores and stuff like that all over the country.

or bars that we want to get into. And we always buy everyone there a bottle of our whiskey as a gift. But we also do tastings. And it reminded me how swell it is to drink in the morning. Tell me about it. Just a little tiny sip. You're supposed to spit it out. But I did these barrel tastings to choose my ryes.

I've got three of them out there now. And that's an experience. You should do a barrel tasting sometime. Oh, I would love to. We had to taste 10 different samples before we picked that one. Got it. On air. So, yeah.

And we swallowed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. these days. I think it'd be kind of cool just as an alternative, but yeah we're like you, I love it straight. When I'm on the road, it's always in my dressing room. Yep. And it's nice

to make people cocktails. There's something very fun about people come backstage and you shake them in Manhattan or something. Yeah. You know, we'll do a boulevardier sometimes, whatever. But I feel like paper playing came back too from this pod which everywhere I go now, people are making those. Order one if you never had one. You hit at a bar.

They'll be ready for you. It's one part rye, one part lemon juice, one part of Marononino, and one part apparel. It's really, really good. A lot of sugar, but really good. Yeah.

Well, thank you, gentlemen. Hey, thank you so much. Great, fun. All right. Thanks for coming in. All right. May 7th, I'm in Los Angeles at the United Theater on Broadway,

at the Netflix of the Joke Festival with Jordan Jensen, Rachel Feinzen and Joe Lisk. It's a really fun show. June 6th, Verona, New York, at the Turning St. Stone Casino. Then in August,

Lisbon, Portugal, September 2nd, Athens, Greece. September 3rd, Budapest. That's going to be really fun. September 5th, in Zagreb, in Croatia. September 7th, Vienna, Austria. September 8th, Warsaw, Poland. September 10th, Helsinki. September 12th, Sweden.

And September 12th, Copenhagen. No, September 13th. this Copenhagen 12th is Stockholm. So, yeah, see you guys on the road. Punchup. Live slash Samarrel slash shows or just samarrel.com. Mark, where are you going to be? Yeah, that's quite a run.

I'll beat the Hollywood Improv, L.A. That's on the 5th of May. Then the Comedy Store on the 6th. Ontario at the Casino-Rama, Moncton Duvo, Brunswick, Spokane, Washington. That one's almost sold out. Philly sold out. Suck it.

Go birds. Milwaukee Improv in June, Irvine, California, A. Love that club. Tempe Improv. And Royal Oak, Michigan, right outside of Detroit. Hilarities, coming to Cleveland. Classic.

Seattle. Never been to this Emerald City. Looking forward to that. Hours coming along. Tampa, Florida. That one sold out. Love Tampa. You did your special there. I'm in the Hamptons on the 30th.

That'll be a fun. And Cobbs Comedy Club in San Francisco. in Houston improv. Thank you. Thanks for listening, guys. William H. Mason's band. That was awesome.

Oh, yeah. And we'll see you guys next week. Get a bottle. Sunday's a day for my next. A bit of fever wreck. You know the future's close. I've had a little too much bourbon. And Norman's talking shit about the fucking poke.

And I'm way.