We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - EXCLUSIVE Katie Price Speaks Out On Cheating Rumours, Peter Andre And JJ Slater “I Didn’t Want To Break Up With Him!”

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

In the most raw and revealing conversation of her career, Katie Price joins Paul to share the truth behind the headlines. Katie opens up about the defining moments that have shaped her - from childhood trauma and toxic relationships to the real cost of fame, the loss of self-worth, and what healing really looks like after decades in survival mode. For the first time, Katie addresses her split from Peter Andre and the cheating rumours that followed - and speaks candidly about her current relationship with JJ. This isn’t the Katie the tabloids write about - this is the real story, in her own words. Please note, this conversation includes some sensitive subjects that some audience members may find distressing. Find support charities below: Samaritans:  https://g2ul0.app.link/qcJLJLhBjTb  Women's Aid: https://g2ul0.app.link/WyCdvWWjJOb  Refuge: https://g2ul0.app.link/pmZkBsOjJOb  MIND: https://g2ul0.app.link/Ne9MpdtBjTb Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Follow Katie here: Instagram: https://g2ul0.app.link/9oXyojByjTb  TikTok: https://g2ul0.app.link/Dv0pvhEyjTb  Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod (1:40) Katie's Birth Name (2:17) Katie's Upbringing in Brighton (3:25) Katie's Parents' Dynamic (8:59) Katie's Experience of Sexual Abuse When She Was a Child (12:10) Katie's Turbulent First Romantic Relationship (17:05) How Katie Got Into Modelling (21:47) The Popularity of Jordan vs. Katie Price (24:20) Katie Breaks Down Why She Gets Cosmetic Surgery (26:18) Katie Explains the Dynamic of Her Previous Relationships (31:07) Paul Breaks Down What He Thinks Is Wrong with Katie's Love Life (48:18) Tinder Ad (49:32) Crossed Wires Ad (50:35) Katie on Motherhood and Wanting More Children (53:31) Katie's Story About Hugh Hefner (55:03) Katie on Celebs Go Dating (57:32) Katie's Lowest Moment (58:53) Katie's Time at The Priory (1:00:42) Katie's Likeability with the General Public (1:02:46) How Katie Deals with Trauma (1:04:27) Katie's Experience of Hijacking in South Africa (1:10:50) Kidnap Threats Aimed at Katie (1:12:46) How Katie Deals with Traumatic Events and How Therapy Helped (1:14:54) Katie Unpacks Traumatic Relationships She's Had (1:26:03) Katie's ADHD Diagnosis (1:31:40) Katie's Thoughts on Cheating in Light of Paul's *Cheat* on Netflix (1:35:48) Katie's Split with Peter Andre (1:39:56) A Video Message for Katie (1:40:50) Most Memorable Conversation (1:45:35) Paul's Takeaways Sponsored by: Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB  We Need To Talk LIVE: https://g2ul0.app.link/VOjDM0icWSb  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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30 years read a good headline about me. Never. Katie Price. Katie Price. Every relationship I've been in, I've been cheated on. And JJ, he's the most kindest, genuine person. But do I feel my most happiest? I have never heard anyone that has the life experience that you have and is standing today.

The police said to us, you're so lucky that you won't. killed. I took Coke because it blocked everything and then I tried to commit suicide. I had a black eye and marks around my neck. What the fuck are you doing, Kate? I would never wish it on my worst enemy. If I got through it, anyone can't, but you have to want to do it. There's so much in my life that I smile about that no one knows really what I have achieved. I work hard. I'm single mum. I've done the shit. I don't need a man. Can I give you a little surprise? Oh, what the f*** have you done? I hope you love this conversation as much as I did.

And please, if you do, it would be great if you could subscribe to the channel and share this episode. Before we start, just one quick note. This conversation includes sensitive topics such as suicide and sexual assault. If you are affected by anything in this podcast, we have included links in the show notes for organizations and charities that can offer support. You changed your name at 16. Yes. So the name you were born with is... Oh my God, my mum.

Katrina, Amy, Alexandria, Alexis, Infield. That was your name. That was my name. All right. So you had 16 names? And I hated it. And then my mum and dad divorced. And then she was with...

Well, I don't call him dad. I'll call him Paul because I still see my dad as well. And he's surname's Price. Okay. So then it was Infield Price. were barreled. What? So it was...

Katrina, Amy, Alexander Alexis, Infield Price. All right, so you were born in Brighton? In Brighton. I love Brighton. Yeah.

How did that area shape you as a little girl? Always horses. Obsessed with horses from the age of seven. Interesting. Riding my bike to the horses, I had a little radio

and I strapped it to my handlebars and I'd always be in my jobpers and boots. And I was quite sporty dumb because my mum was in the Olympic team, English Olympic team, swimming. So obviously my brother and me swam for Sussex.

So we was a good swim. I did gymnastics, horse riding. Very athletic. The family are, yeah, very healthy, very outdoorsy. So I grew up like that. Every Sunday would go for dog walks and a roast dinner. Wow, interesting. So I had a really, really good.

I can't complain about my childhood at all. You said that horses, though. Horses? You had an affinity. My God, I still do. They were just my life. None of my friends were into horses. They still aren't.

I'm always the only one. So all through my career, I've always had horses. And everyone's like, oh, you all grow out of it. I never have done. You mentioned that Paul was your stepfather. Yeah, my mom met my real dad when she was 15. And he was a really good-looking guy. All the girls fancied him.

My mom was pretty. All the guys fancied there. So they were together when they were 15. Okay. And what did your father do? What was his career? What did he do back then? Of antiques and like builder and he sang.

He's always been in a band. Oh, really? Yeah. He's really funny, actually. It makes me laugh. But he'd always have affairs behind my mum's back. So Paul, my dad, used to work for my real dad. And he used to give him money to take me and my brother out with my mum.

So that's how my mum started. She didn't like him at first. on my mum's case. So he ended up with my mum. And obviously they then sort of fell out my dad and my stepdad as she do. But they're fine now. Absolutely fine. The last time I got married, they both walked me down the aisle together. So it's all fine now. But that was then, he was 19, Paul, who's with my, who I look at as my dad. But I have got my biological dad. But if I ever have a problem, I would go to Paul. You go to Paul. So Paula at that time was 19. Was your mother older than

Yeah, she's 12 years older. So 12 year age gap between your mother and... Yeah. Now, also, I didn't realize this, is you watched that relationship form, that infidelity. See, this is the thing what people don't realize. Kids actually do take in stuff that you don't realize. If your mom and that are arguing,

although they're still there with you, you haven't got them 100% because they're dealing with that. And kids do pick up on it. Yes. Because I do remember all of stuff like that. It's weird. They're the things that I remember. When there's other things that were probably going on, good things, but I only remember them things.

Exactly. So when you think about some of those more challenging moments that you remember, what comes to mind when you think about that relationship between your mother and Paul or even your mother and your biological father? Yeah, because I can remember a time when my dad picked me up and I was in the back of the car and then it was either poor my dad or I was in the car with the other one. I can't remember, but they were arguing at the window. I don't know what they were saying, but I just remember that going on. And I must have been about four or something because they split up when I was three, I think. Did you internalize any of this?

mean by that is oftentimes many children when they see their parents break up or there's an infidelity they begin to point their finger at themselves sometimes did you at all take any blame do you not believe or not no because i still saw my dad and obviously i was with my mom but what i do remember when i was younger is if i went to my friend's houses and they had their mum and dad there. I will always be like, oh, I wonder what it's like to have your own dad and your mum together.

I do remember thinking that like, is that what the family was like? Even though there was nothing wrong with the way I was brought up, I was never, Paul wouldn't treat me any different me and my brother to my sister because it wasn't lacking that. I suppose when I'd see them cuddle their dad

and that. Because I don't, I can't remember me ever cuddling that I've got no memory of me cuddling my real dad. Really? No memory to all. And then with Paul, I can't even remember any times me cuddling Paul either. So you can't remember a cuddle from either of your fathers. No.

Did either of your fathers ever say that they loved you? Yeah, they must have done because I never felt like, oh, they don't love me. I've never felt that. But I've got no memory of cuddles from them. So when you think back to Little Katie, at that time it was Katrina. Yeah. How do you believe she felt not. having a hug from her father.

But for me to remember it still now, I mean, I can't remember my mindset then, but I remember thinking then when I saw my other friends cuddle their dads. So obviously that was vacant for me. But yet I still would see my dad. And like I said, I've got nothing bad to say. I thought they bought us up really well.

Like, I'd see my dad every Saturday. And then as you got older, you get old and then you don't see them as much. Yeah. But, you know, I find that to be profound, really. What do you mean? That you never got a hug. Yeah, I can't remember.

You can't remember getting a hug. No. And did you want one? Yeah, this is a thing. I'm such a cuddly, loving person. So I suppose the horses, I would give it to them, and I would get something back from them. Yeah.

Like, if I'd call them in the field, I'd like, start at the bottom of the field. His ears would pick up and it'd canter up to me. Yes. So I think the horses were the ones I would give and it would give back. Yes, yes. Like my love. And I can see that's probably where this nurturing side of you started to really grow.

You know, because we often seek what we don't have. Yeah, I'll see what you mean. It's like when my son was pregnant with my sister. I was so excited to the point, even before she was born and my mum bought the buggy, I'd put the cat in the buggy to push the cat around in it and couldn't wait for my sister to be born. And when she was born and my mum would put her down,

I would go up and try and wake her up just as an excuse to pick her up and cuddle her. I was so excited. Yeah, yeah. I could see it. I could see how that formed for you. So thinking about relationships. The relationships that we have as an adult often begin when we're a child, right?

So when you think about what love and sex and dating started to look like, what were your first experiences with those things? Well, when I was seven, I put it in my book. Basically, a man did something to me. And I remember all the police being called. They took all our underwear and everything. And he was basically saying to us, if you let me do this to you, I'll go and get you an ice cream and all of this.

It was one of that. I could still remember his face. an hour. I still remember it. And when he was doing what he was doing, these two kids, it was like in a bush, and it was like a cut way through to the park. And our mums were at the cafe

just at the top having cups of teas. And we were just going to go to the park, and it was the cup and it was in the bush there. He got us. And these two people must have seen, this isn't normal, called the police. So he saw the police and then ran. So that was my first

I suppose traumatic thing with a man. And that was seven years old. Yeah. And then when I was 13, there was a job going for Joe Blogs jeans and they were looking for models. So I went along to it and I was one of the models. And there was a photographer who obviously took a liking to me

and then he was saying to my mum, oh, I've got these child model agencies, blah, blah, blah. We should get her into modelling. why don't you come to mine. I'll do a photo shoot and that for. So we'd go to his house. A few times I went, but you'd never let my mum watch.

Now when I look back, he used to say to me, I'm going to make this pineapple milkshake. Okay. But I didn't want it. I didn't like it. So I actually never drank it. And he'd tell my mum and my nan

to just go and walk the dog and then come back. Now, when we look at the pictures now, I was in like bikini, sunglasses doing all of this, sticking my tongue out, all of that. He'd always ring my mum and always speak to me, but he seemed so professional. Then we had a knock at the door and it was the child protection. He had been arrested. He had like 12 different names, 12 different accounts, and he was in prison.

And they said he was so obsessed with me that he had pictures of me in his cell. And this drink, he used to drug girls with it. But I never did, took the drink. Never took the drink. So then, like, from these incidents, my mum was very then protective because there was another time a man tried to pull me into his car. So I hadn't really had good experiences from them, just from them three things. From those three. I could see all three faces, as clear as day.

How do you believe that impacted? how you entered romantic relationships. Well, this is it. When I was at school, there was only like a couple of boys I fancied, but I was petrified to kiss him. But then my first boyfriend, I was 15 and he was 25.

And he had like an ex-R-2 and he was always pissed. He'd just come out of prison. He's 10 years older than you. I know. I mean, 15. My mom was nuts, but I denied it to her.

That's when I always. argued with mom, well I'm going out, he's picking me up. But now I look back, thinking my mum's stopping, she wasn't, she was protecting me. She was protecting you. Because 15, even at time, you could not consent at 50. No, we didn't have sex to my 16th birthday after the East 17 concert. I went and watched East 17 because my mom always said, don't ever lose your virginity, make sure you're at least 16. And the amount of times my mom had to pick me up where he'd cut all my clothes off when I was naked in a telephone box. Mom, he's done it again. Pick me up.

Wait, wait, hold on, he would cut your clothes up. Cut my clothes up. Because he didn't, like, if I was in a petrol station or anything, and he'd be like, you're looking at them men? I'm like, no, no, I'm looking. So I'd sit like that, look forward, like that, just so jealous. Then my mum called Child Protection, the police, and then I was training to be a nurse,

because that's always what I wanted to do, be a registered nurse. but before I did the course I worked like at these nursing homes I was like 16 and they had to call the police on him these are memories that I've got with a big police fan him kicking off because he thought I fancied a guy that worked there

oh my God it took ages to get out of that relationship it was dreadful but I was so sucked into like oh yeah he's older with a car and it was near the end of my school years I hated school because when I was at school, I always thought, you know, I'm going to be famous or something one day.

And it's all in my reports that Kate's got this thing, she thinks she's going to be famous, she's a dreamer, she's this and that, which is weird, because I always knew I would be something. It's so weird. And you thought you'd be famous doing what? I always wanted to be a model or pop star. Okay.

But even though I was training to be a nurse. It's so weird. It's so incredible. You know, all right, there's a million things. I know, this is my brain forward. you. No, you know, Kate, your story, even in the research, I thought your story is one of the most incredible stories, like your life. It's one of those incredible experiences I have ever heard. Don't. This is what the therapist said late, because I never had therapy till later on and I'll go

on to that. And because if I did, I don't think I would have been in the situations I had. And they said to me, when I was at the privy, you get lots of people who have had like a trauma. It could be big or small to me. It could be a small thing to me when they say it, but massive for them. So you can never judge anyone. But what they said to me there is, they've never known anyone to have so many real-life events of trauma,

having to one person and still be here telling the story. Yes. And so now I'm out of the breakdown situation, and I've moved on and sorted the head out, and I know how to deal with triggers and this and that. I look back. And I sort of go, because I've dealt with so many traumas. And at the time, I know you'll probably go through it.

I've never stopped to deal with that trauma. It's like, right, move on. Next thing, next thing. Because the industry I'm in is so fast-paced. Something happens. Right, you've got to move on, move on. So I've never dealt with any of them situations. So it's sort of ricocheted to a point when it just all happens at once.

And that's what happens. And at the same time, If you think of it almost like luggage, in essence, what you're doing is you're collecting it. You're collecting it. In your head, heavy, heavy. You want to cut it off and let it go, pshu. Right. But it's, and it stays because you said you could remember the faces.

We're at 16. You've gone through at least three sexual assaults. Yeah. You've gone through two physical assaults. Did you feel as if you had any safe spaces at 16? I dislike the horses. It was just the horses. once again.

Yeah. That was it. Mm-hmm. And though, but my mum and that were always there helping me through all of this. They were so supportive with everything. So, like, my brother would go to a youth club. It was only across the road.

I wasn't allowed to go to anything like that or paper rounds because now when I look back at my mum, I can see why, because all of this has happened. Now I'm a mum, I can see why she was so protective, which is funny because then as soon as I turned 17, there I am doing page three and they're like, what? Where the hell has this come from? Exactly.

So how did you go from 16 to model? Because that's really where, that was like the professional transition. Yeah. So I was doing this temporary work at these office places to earn some money. And there was a woman who worked there. I can't remember how I met her, but she liked doing. photography and everyone kept saying oh you should be a model and I was like are you joking I'm not even good looking I fell off my brother's skateboard when I was eight and cracked the front of

my tooth so I always had like a cap there I don't know I just felt really ugly interesting so in my lunch break we went on brighton beach and she just took some pictures of me in brighton beach topless ones because she said I'll go to a glamour agency but first of all I said oh no I don't I don't want to be naked or anything like that because when you think of glamour, not that I don't judge anyone, I just thought top shelf magazines. I thought, no, no, no, I don't want to do that.

She says no, because of your height, you wouldn't get into, like, models one or whatever. And I meant when I was... How tall are you? I know, I know, because I've seen it, but... How tall are you? I think I'm about 5'5. Yeah, something.

I'm thinking about 5.5. And then my mum did take me to some of these agencies and they were like, no, no, she's too short. But it's only because everyone kept saying, I should be a model, but I don't know how, because I weren't even good looking. And then I remember sending these photos up

to Samantha Bond agency. She'd come back straight away. I said, come and see me. So I remember getting the train to Sloan Square, and it was the King's Road. And that's, they had a lot of agencies there. And growing up, you hear that lots of models get spotted and that along there.

Okay. So proudly I'd walk along thinking, am I going to be spotted? The girls then who were massive with people like, I don't know if you know him now, Joanne Guest, Emma Noble, Lana Cox, these page three girls. I'm like, oh my God, I'd love to be as famous as them.

So as much as all that had happened with me when I was younger, I was still an exhibitionist in the way, from my dad's 30th, I turned up in all PVC, and everyone was like, what? It was like I wanted to show off. But you know what I find interesting about that

is that is that, so you wanted to show off, you were exhibitionist. I was frigid though, would never sleep with guys. It was as if, like, you can look at me, but you can't touch me. But I don't know where that started either. But that I could see, but it's more so the fact that you also didn't feel confident in how you looked. Because you talked about the chip tooth. Yeah, didn't. You didn't think you were attractive.

But I always thought I'm going to be famous and be like some sort of star, because I do all that with my hair in the mirror and be like, yeah, I'm going to be a model. I'm going to be famous. Was it, okay. I don't know what it was. I can't even tell, but I always knew that I wouldn't do anything normal. But let's, let's unpack that a little bit. Yeah. I suspect it was largely around you wanted validation.

Do you know what? That would make sense. Right. And I think that a lot of people will say, I want to be a star because they're not equipped with the words, but really what they're saying is, I just want to be loved. Do you know, validation is the key thing in everything that I've had to learn because I've never had validation, I didn't know what validation was. And I think nowadays people are so lucky because back in them days,

there was no such thing really as mental health or ADHDs or whatever labels you want to do. But now when you look back at my school reports, you could definitely see how I've got the ADHD, my concentration, this, that the way I am. And also, she wants to be noticed. she's easily distracted, this, that. So you could see where I wanted to be central for attention then. Like going in the Priory for me, people can be frowned upon it. Because people go in there for addiction or trauma or something.

They think, oh, you're so ill. Yeah, you are ill or got trauma, but you're going in there to better yourself to get help, to come out the best. So never frown upon someone who wants help. Absolutely. But they do. But you're a testament to that, right? Because look at me.

We're going to unpack it all, Katie. No, I love it. Go on, come back to the fact. Yeah. But I want to go back to something that I just researched about you that I don't know if you know about yourself. Oh, God, and I love this. All right. So if we go back to you, so this is you becoming a model, right?

Yeah. But right around that time, a little bit earlier, you said, look, I want to be famous. Yes. You said you want to be famous. You want to be famous. Have you heard of UGov? UGOV. UGO.

You heard of UGO. No. So UGO is a, like, a research institution. Right. Here in the UK. And I looked to see how famous Katie Price is. Well, this is a tricky one because I had a different fan base being Jordan. And that was just print and newspaper.

Now, this era, more people know as Katie Price. I didn't change my name to Katie Price, by the way. It was the media that decided I was now Katie Price. It was never me. I didn't just say, well, I'm giving up, Jordan. It was never me. It was always the battle. between Jordan and Katie Price.

So if I had a night out, it's, oh, Jordan's out tonight. If I was with the mum, oh, Katie Price is with her mom. Oh, that's interesting. So Jordan was like the bad girl. They like, say, the alter ego. But I am the same person. It was just the name I changed because it can stop you get another work if you're known as a page three girl.

So then if we were thinking just Katie Price, what percentage of the UK? Maybe 60%, because if they don't, then bloody out, I don't know. Only because every day there's something written about me somewhere. You ready for a shock? Go on. Your popularity is 95%. 95% of the adult UK population.

Yeah. I would have said that. Population? Yeah. Know you. Really? Yeah, I was going to say they might not know what I do because I don't even really know what I do these days.

but they might have known the name. They know of you. And what I find to be... That's quite not. So, yeah, what I find to be so interesting about this is that that's exactly what you said you wanted at like 11 years old. That is true. But how tough it's been to get there. Yeah.

How do you feel knowing that? See, this is another in question, an interesting thing. Because literally I was in this industry, started when I was 17, in the past, the following week, and it's literally been straight away. So I've never had a time to break. It's been straight. Now you're on the front cover of loaded. Now you're FHM.

Now you're here. Can we even go back to that though, too? Yeah. And talk about that journey because you said, so you got here, 17. From the moment I signed, I was on page three and then straight away, boom. All right. Let's talk about page three for a second, too. Because I only did it for a year.

I did not know about page three. Yeah. I was living. I don't do it anymore. Yeah, I was living in the States. Right. So page three was literally, it was the third page. Yeah, and you're just topless.

And you're topless. Natural, because then I decided to do my boobs. And then the son ran a poll asking the nation, should she do her boobs? And it comes back, like 93% of people say, don't do it. But I still went and did it. So that was your friend. Then I was banned from page three. Really?

Yeah, because I did my boobs. I was banned from it. I know. You're not mad. That's wild. Okay, so was that your first plastic surgery? Was that your first procedure? Yes.

I couldn't wait to get them done. I used to wear pads in my bra. I don't even know where this come from either. Why I want to change myself. Where did that start? Why did I always thought I'm not good looking? Why do I feel I was want to change things? There's something that obviously relates with relationships and to how I feel I look.

because I suppose every, literally, every relationship I've been on, I've been cheated on. And when I see the people they've cheated me on with, and I've always gone, oh, why have they gone for them? I thought I was a little bit better looking than them. And it sort of gives you that self-doubt, what aren't I good enough for? It's got to be something to do with that. They're always jealous, and then I end up being jealous, and then it's toxic. and then it ends up gaslighting, narcissists,

but that's all I've ever been used to. So I've never known what a healthy relationship was. Not the one I'm in now, but some of my previous sort of former ones, there was domestic abuse, gaslighting, narcissist, and that's all that I was used to. And then when you're in them kind of relationships and they isolate you,

even from your family if you want to see your family they have to be there won't let you see your friends put you down or how long are you going to be where are you this that why are you doing that job you're a slag if you do that job

why do you want to go out dressed like that why don't you cover up I've only ever been used to that or if I've worked and they have to come to work with me and I never get a break it ends up being 24 seven on my case

then they have to be there at work then I'm scared to do talk and be myself because I know that in the car, why'd you say that? Would you do that for? Do you fancy this? I've only did, when I look at it, it's all that in one with all of it. And it seems like. And it's exhausting. It's exhausted. And it seems like it's continued because it has. Even in the research, I've seen that you have only, you spent less than three years without a relationship. So you've literally spent your entire, from 15 years old to today. Yeah. A young 46.

Well, that's surgery. Yeah. But that entire time span, you have basically been in a relationship the entire time. Yeah, been married three times. And even my relationships are not even normal relationships. That even some of the people I've met, I've met in weird circumstances.

I look at Pete. I met him in a jungle on a TV show. So I suppose everything I've done in my life has been documented, There's nothing that's not been documented. So that doesn't help the fact I don't know what a normal relationship is. Because if I want to go for dinner, you get pictured. And then everyone finds out everything about that person. And then what I find, people I've been with who weren't in the industry,

they end up being pictured with me. And then all of a sudden their names were out there. And then they've had a taste of it, a taste of the lifestyle. That when it's over, then they gunned for me. oh she's this, she's that, because they're not in that. Yeah. Which is all I know. Yeah.

Which is why I think there is a connection between you emerging as Jordan, the model, and your relationships. Because at that point, you said that you literally, a week later, you're then basically famous. You become famous. They do. I call them Mr. Price's. Oh, you mean all these? The exes. And then won a bit of the fame.

And I've learned now from the AD. not that it's an excuse and I hate labels because I do have a son who really does have complex needs and the labels that come with it. So I hate people who just say, I've got this, I've got that when they haven't. You know, to be diagnosed with stuff, you have to do things properly, I say,

for doctors, assessments. You can't just suddenly say, oh yeah, I've got this and I've got that because you hear that a lot these days. And from having Harvey, I take it quite serious when people are, oh, I'm this or I'm on the spectrum of this. How do you know you've got to be diagnosed properly for a doctor? And it doesn't have an overnight.

That's real. But I was diagnosed the ADHD. And I've noticed now I understand why I've been in the past impulsive. Don't wait, things, do things quick, this, that. That's just the way my brain is because my mum and that. You'd say, Kay, why do you jump into another relationship? Why do you do this, comment? Why do you do that?

Don't you think before you do things? and I'm like, no, I just do it, do it. But now I've learned, like, if anyone makes a comment on me or if anyone does anything, I breathe and breathe and don't bite nothing. Before I know it, that horrible energy is gone. I just don't do it anymore. But I've had to learn to do that.

Right. Every action has a consequence. There's a consequence. But it doesn't require the reaction. Yes, but I've had to learn. I'm 46, and I've only. only learned in the past year and a half two years. When I look at the relationships, and when I look at you, so I'm looking at plastic surgeries, how many, you've had 17?

I don't even know. If I Google it, I don't think they're right either. You think it's more, actually. Boob jobs, I don't know. I think you've had 17 boob jobs at least, right? They say that, but if I did, they wouldn't look how they do. They've looked mangled, I swear. I actually don't know.

Okay, so, okay, so you look at the procedures, right? Yeah. You look at the relationships. Oh, you're going to say what my mom says. Every time you break up with someone to do something, you go and have surgery. That's what you're going to say, and you sell up my mother. You're going to say that. It's a quick fix.

Like people want to go and change their hair or color and I go to surgery. You know what I'm going to connect it to is I truly, with all of my heart-aged. No, do it. No, do it because I need to hear. I love you. I love you. But you know what I think? I think that you severely have suffered with low self-esteem.

Oh, absolutely. I think confident, but I'm not. Exactly. Because when I say low self-esteem, how do you define self-esteem? See, this is interesting. When I'm doing a photo shoot, I can work it, and it's like, you can look at me, but you can't touch me. But then I'm really, I look confident. And I am, you know, I can talk to anyone. But when it comes to myself, I'm so loud, I don't ever think I'm good enough. Exactly. Because you why?

And you know what? You just nailed it. Because I have never been able to feel good enough because I've always had this and you're this, you're that. Right. So self-esteem, when I look at self-esteem, the two underpinnings are self-respect and self-confidence. And this is what I'm learning to validate myself. Because if I don't love myself, how am I going to love anyone else?

And I've been doing so well on that work. So I think you do a great job and just show. Growing up, I'm Katie Price, right? Yeah. You're very, you present. Yeah. Very confidently outwardly. Yeah.

But self-confidence is saying, you know what? I will not accept this in a relationship and therefore... So it makes me sweating. It's the boundaries. Like... Therefore, I'm out. That's what that is. Is that what it is?

If you know what you are worth, if you know how incredible you... Yeah. Honestly, let's spend a second on this, really. Yeah. Do you know how incredible you are? In what way? I know I'm a good mom. Okay.

You're a good mom, right? Yeah. I've got a lot to give a relationship. I'm not agro. It's what comes with me. But I'm telling you, you're a good mom. Yeah. But do you know how incredible you are?

Do you know how extraordinary you are? No, I know I'm a bit different, but that's, I can't help that because it's the industry. I mean, what do you mean? Do you know how incredible you are? No, but it's embarrassing when you say that. When you're saying credible, what do you mean? You know why I keep. I keep forcing that is because...

Yeah. So part of low self-esteem... Yeah. ...is not having an identity, not knowing who you are, not knowing how special you are. I think you see yourself as a good mom. But outside of being a good mom...

Yeah. What makes you so special? I do have good qualities about me, and I know I do. Tell me about it. But it's... I am more... And I've had to learn about self.

love and self-respect, as you say, because I am a giver and I'd rather make everyone else happy and leave myself last. It's got to a point where it's got to stop. Like, I'm working all the time. Why do I have to come home and then entertain? Some do it for me. Go on what. I have to hold you accountable.

What am I doing again? You know why? Because I've asked. My diverting. Exactly. But I don't know what it is. You're deflecting. Yeah.

I've asked five times. Why are you, because I keep saying that you're special. I can listen. Yeah, but I get embarrassed with a complimentary word like that. Why do you get embarrassed? Because I'm not very good. And I think this is a media. I think the media have a lot to do with this because I have never, ever in 30 years,

read a good headline or anything about me. Never. And someone said to me the other day, what if you saw a good headline? I said that would never happen. And if it does, I'll be thinking, what the hell that this can't be right. So I'm kind of used to the downcast. If someone said something nice about me, it's hard to accept it because I'm not used to it. Yeah.

Where I'm the one who likes to give the compliments. I'm the one who does it. I see it. And I think that you have never seen a greater than one. It's not my fault. It's just how I've... Yeah, it's circumstance. Yeah.

But what is sad is I can see that you're beginning to allow that to seep in and almost subconsciously believe it. So I keep saying, outside of being a great mom, what makes you so special? And you can't answer this. Let me give you my answer. This is from my heart. This is, forget all of this. This is from my heart. Yeah.

It's one thing that I love about you is how ambitious you are. Oh, my God. I have to be. Yeah, but I love that. I love it. You have worked extraordinarily hard through your life. And you deserve the flowers for that. So this is one reason why I think.

you are extraordinary. Right. So what's a reason that you believe you're extraordinary? I would definitely sound a survivor. I know that. I'm definitely survivor. And I think how people relate to me is because I'm not manufactured. A lot of people in this industry are manufactured and controlled.

Like they do interviews, this is all very controlled. Can't say this. You can't ask them this. Whereas with me, I'm just self-made, self-from- my person. Yes. I didn't think I would last this long in the industry. I'm like, I thought I'd be a paramedic and a nurse by now.

You know, 30 years next year I've been in this industry. It's a very, very long time to sustain being constantly talked about, scrutinised, relationships. I've never been able to have a breakup like everyone else does, where it's only their family, friends. everything I do is so public. So public. And everyone judges it and I can't control what the media are right. So they have, people will have their perception about me by what's written about me.

But when they meet me, I'm actually quite normal, do normal things and I have actually learned a lot. And the validation thing, I'm sort of slipping back into where I just pay for everything to make things easier. I don't know. I just, it's like I feel like I won't need to be swept off my feet

and some to be like, do you know what, Kate? I'm going to look after you. But you know what? That's not what you need, Katie. Well, what is it I need? You need to sweep yourself off your feet. You need, this is just my person. No, I want it. Give it to me. You need a break from then.

I'm quite happy to be on my own if I wasn't in a relationship. Asked me this years ago, I wouldn't have been able to do it. But how I am now where I've been having therapy, you know, there's not a beginning and an end of therapy because it's always continuous. I've learnt a hell of a lot about what a healthy relationship is.

I've never had... And I think JJ's the most healthest relationship I've been in, which is funny because if he does say something, I'm like, that's a red flag. Okay. Because I've been so traumat. I'm not having anyone dictate me anymore. I'm not having any man tell me what I can and can't wear.

I'm not having any man tell me what job I can do and what I can't. And if I want to see my friends, I'm going to see my friends. And if I want to get home at this time, I would get home at this time. I am like that. So you know, in theory, right, you know what a healthy relationship should look like. Yeah, because I've done work on it. And I am putting it into practice because when you meet someone, it's natural to want to be of them all the time. Don't go, it's natural.

But then the mistakes I've made in the past is then you'll, you're with them all the time. It becomes literally 24-7 because I've never been out with someone who's had a 9-to-5 job. So I don't know what it's like to go out with someone who's had a 9-to-5 job

where they commute, go to work and come home at 5. They've always had a job where I suppose it's adaptable that then they can come with me to work or come with where. So in the beginning that's all nice. But then you get into the habit

of they're about too much to the point you start not seeing your friends because you're with them all the time. And then you get into this situation where they're so used to being with you all the time that then when you do say, I'm going to go and see a friend. It doesn't seem normal because you haven't done it.

So I've a bit worried that I've got like that with JJ. Yeah. That I'm like, look, you know what? When I met you used to see your friends all the time and I would see mine and now it's just us. So at the end of

the day, what is there to talk about? Because we know everything. And here'd be like when you're with your friends, you're all like, hey, how are you? And I'm like, because I'm with you all the time. Yeah. And I think what that happens in a lot of relationships. But let me ask you this is that do you know anyone who has a healthy relationship? I'd say my mom and dad, amazing. Okay. So this is good. So outside of your, your mom and dad, do you know anyone who has a healthy? My sister and husband, my brother and his wife. Okay. And I look at them all and think, how does it work with you? Because I've never been in a relationship where.

I've been able to do all of that without an argument and without backlash or the questions and this and that. But they all do it and I love it and it's like I'm jealous of their relationship. Is that to you? Is that what makes it such a healthy relationship? Because they're able to

be interdependent. That is, I think it's what, they have their own identities but they're also amazing, they're like best friends. All of them, my mum or dad, my sister, you know, all of them, they're all best friends, have a laugh altogether. They're them 100% selves together. Yes.

Although when I'm with someone, that we all do family stuff together, but it's the other bits they do that I never seem to be able to do it when I'm in a relationship. Which is why I say you need a break from men, right? But then you can have relationship, but I've just never had this. I look at all my friends, even their relationships. they can do all of them. What I'm saying I want to do, I feel I can only do that if I'm single.

Because I've never been able to do it in a relationship. Yet all my friends are able to have the relationship and do all that. But you know what? But I've never been allowed or able to have that without agro. So there's a couple things here. What am I doing wrong? Yeah, so there's a couple of things here.

Must be me. Well, well, one is let me ask you. Yeah. If you look at all of your relationships, What you're describing really is control. It is. So if you think back to all these relationships you've had, what do you believe that you have allowed or you have done

to enable your partners to control you? This is the thing. They meet me and I know as cringe as it is, I can't ever hide and lie who I am. So they love the thought, oh, I'm with Kate or whatever. They fall in love with the idea. Idea. And this is the thing. And then when they've actually got me and they realize that when I do go out, people do look. People do want to come up and talk. If I go to a bar or something, people come over. They want pictures. It could be men. It could be women. So they're in their head. It's up. But when you go out, men are going to come up to you. This is going to happen. And you're friend. When you have a drink or when you're out, you want to talk to everyone.

But what I hate is if my partner, if someone comes up and they're like, no, she's not doing a picture. Oh, my God. And I say to them, I know how to deal with people and don't tell me who I can and can't do a picture. And what I do say, and then we're getting an eye on. I'll say, if you don't like it, then go find someone else. And then it end up in a circle again and again. So think about it. And it pisses me off.

That's because you're allowing them back in. I'm not telling you to get out of the street. I love what I do. I love my job. I love everything I do. You should stay in it. I'm telling you to get out of these toxic relationships and how you do that. But they're not like it at first.

Who wants to leave their bank? If you are there a bank, I'd never want to leave you. Of course, if you told me to leave. I mean, they might pay for the odd dinner and stuff like that. But like I'm the one who majority pays for everything. But I'm telling you, at the end of the day, self-respect is, You know your worth. You know your values.

Oh, but I do, but it's putting it into practice. That's self-confidence. Self-confidence is saying I'm going to do the task. If I wasn't with JJ, for me to meet someone, number one, priority for me would be they want to be private. Yeah. They do not want to be pictured on my Instagram. They're quite happy to do their thing, their job. I've never had that.

And for me, that would be very refreshing for a man. to say, I don't want to be on your side. I don't want anyone to know, like, I don't, you know, that's your thing. And this is why you need a break. You need what's called a sabbatical. And you know what you need to do the sabbatical? You need to get it, take this sabbatical. And you need to focus on fully loving on yourself.

Yeah. Focus on your career, because you love your career. You're saying exactly what I think, because I do think, if I wasn't in a relationship, I could feel much. day up doing lovely things. I would get up. Tell me about it. Obviously, kids at school, and I'd go ride my horses. Okay. And I'd do my work within the school hours because I like to have family time and stuff.

You need to experience life alone. What I say alone is without a romantic partner. And I'd be absolutely fine with that. You'd be great. And then on top of it. I'm at the point in my life where I know I'd actually be fine with it. I don't need a man. Before I felt I needed a man because I needed that. I don't need a man. If I have a man, it's because I want them. There you go. And then on top of that. And it's true.

Okay, trust me, you're going to become more self-confidence. Yeah. A higher level of self-respect. Yeah. That means your self-esteem is going to go up. Yeah. It means you don't need the external validation. Yeah.

And then when you are working. You're more powerful, yeah. You're going to be powerful. Then when you were right, and you know what's the beauty of self-esteem, high self-esteem and high self-respect and high self-confidence is it improves. is it improves everything in your life. You're already a good mom. You become a better mom. You're already, your career's already on the up.

This is what I want to do. I want to, this is the thing. It's finding someone. The thing is, I like to do things with someone. I like to have a better where you can have experience and enjoy things and being with the family. But I've always had them in and out my pocket too much and it becomes exhausting and it pisses me off.

See, hold on. You're swerving what I'm saying. Basically. me being selfish. I need someone to fit around what I want to do. And if they don't, then they're not worth being away. No, no. But I think we have to remove you saying, but I need, I want someone, I want someone. Ideally, it's someone who's got their, they don't need to come and move in and live with me. They can have their own place. And then, you want a living apart but together situation.

I've never done it. Just why they got their own things. So you look forward and excited to see each other. And like, because I've been married, I've been married, I've done it all. My kids are getting older. So it's not like, you know, they got their things going on. Yes. Harvey, obviously, he's always my man baby. Yes. And men have to accept the fact also that I do have kids.

And they have to accept the fact that when I'm with Harvey and a lot of relationships I've been in do not like my relationship with Harvey because they get very jealous. because he is a man, but he's a baby, and he will sit there and he will want me to cuddle him and he will want me to hold his hand and he will want my kisses. I don't care what anyone says.

That boy, that man, Harvey, has been my constant, my whole life, someone who's never tried to take off me, knowing who can dictate how I do him, he's me. Yes. Men find that very hard. You know what I find to be such a full circle is the cuddles that you didn't get from your fathers. Yeah.

I'm like that of Harvey constantly. In fact, I'm cuddly with all my kids. And I love that. Yeah. See, that love him. Yeah. It's unbreakable, you know. And every time I see a post between the two of you,

it's incredibly heartwarming. Yeah. Because you could see that you are unconditional. It's not fake. Like. Yeah, it's unconditional. Yeah. I was talking with your show sponsor. Tinder and they wanted to know if you've ever been on a date that ended up in an unexpected way.

Do you have anything like that? Oh, absolutely. Endless, endless stories. I mean, one in particular is that when Jill and I were dating, we went to a slam poetry competition, which I will say I knew nothing about slam poetry. And that's when I learned that you snapped your fingers, right, when you applaud. I specifically went there because I wanted to impress Jill so that I can get a little, I'll say bonus afterwards, you know.

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Go to LinkedIn.com slash campaign, terms of conditions apply. Can we talk about motherhood? Love it. All right. So you have five children? And I still want more. Do you know what I said to? Because as they get older apart from Harvey, they're starting to move out.

And then also my younger ones, they're still at home. But then I just love, I don't know what it is. I just love, but I love all ages of them. I just love it. Are you, because I saw there were some talk about you attempting. Yeah, I had IVF and it failed and basics because my eggs are too old. And then I gave it go even though the doctor said you've got 1% chance of it working. I said, well, I might be that 1%.

Wow. I'm doing it. So I went through all of it and then it didn't work. So I have got donor eggs. Okay. I got them last year. You don't see the picture, but they go on how I look like the dark hair, green eyes,

this Spanish. I wanted, because I've got like Italian Spanish and me. And then because I'm not afraid to have a baby on my own. And before I met JJ, I was quite happy. I found sperm donor from America. Okay. From black origin. Okay.

Shut out. Yeah, I love it. Because I'm through the pre-menopause at the moment. And so I thought you can't have kids, but you can. And I've been tested. I'm all fine. I can still carry babies. So I have got the sperm.

I have got the eggs there. So I've got everything set up ready for when, if I want it. But then I think, what if I meet someone and they want a baby? But obviously I'd have to say to them, well, you can never use my eggs. So you'll never have the pricey DNA. You'd have the donor, do you? You can't have my price there. Only five kids have got the price you won.

There's no more. Although I can carry it, but it would be their sperm. But I'm not in no rush. This is the thing. I'm in no rush to do any of this. I'm in no rush to think, I need to get married. To be honest, do I want to get married again? I've been there so many times.

It's the same thing and it's ag when you divorce. I don't feel. It'd be nice to meet someone and get all married, but is it important to me? No. theme I keep coming back to Katie. Go on. You know what this theme is. I keep coming back to self-esteem, self-respect.

Yeah. I'll tell you why. Because it's interesting. You were a nurturer from a little girl. Yeah. Always. And you dote on your children. And I even see that when you're talking about the Jordan Katie Price.

Yeah. A lot of the coverage of you was Katie Price the mom. Yeah. That's what it was. Like Jordan was the model. What was it at the Playboy Mansion? What are they calling you about? Oh, I loved it.

Do you know, I toured America with Hugh Hefner because I was the first English girl to do the cover of American Playboy. So we toured around America in the English pubs with him. Really? Yeah. He had a million girlfriends at that time. Do you know, it's weird because I lived at the mansion for six weeks. He wanted me to be a girlfriend because at the same time,

my mom was in a hotel called The Standard. I was doing a BBC documentary because I took Harvey to America. to see about his eyes and all of that. But I was living at the mansion. I remember one night they had a party under the standard hotel. And I said to Q, oh my God, my mum's up there. Can we just go and knock on the door? So I remember I've got all the photos of it.

Me, Heff, and there was about eight of us girls. All in our little outfits, going up in the lift, in the standard, and it was about one in the morning, not to my mum's store. She's like, hello, answered it. And there's Hugh Heffner and me and all us girls. Hi. I said, get Harvey, Mum, get Harvey. I've got picture of Hugh Heather, Harvey, my mum.

There's so much in my life, right, that I smile about, that it's, no one knows really what I have achieved, things I've done, people I've seen, experience. I've done hell of a lot. But the only thing that's been the worst thing in my life is relationship. If I had a good relationship in the beginning, sometimes I think I would have gone further in my career because I've stopped a lot of jobs due to relationships I've been in

because they wouldn't want me to do it. You know what? And I agree. One thing I've never done is celebs go dating. Now, you do selects go dating. You've spent Goddust along with me today. Just advice, this is what I want. And people probably be like, this is a good question, Kate. Okay, go ahead.

Hit me, Kate. So say, like, I'm on celebs go dating with you now. Okay. So we've done all the talk. What would you say would be the, I'd like an idol man for me. You know what I would do? If you were on Slub's Go dating.

Yeah, got to tell me. You've done the talk. Who knows, maybe one day I would be, who knows? You know what I would do? Go on. I would kick you out of the agency. Oh, piss off. What would you do?

I would kick you out of the agency. Why? Because Katie, I, you know what? I am a firm believer of what you need. But you've had people on your show who have a bit similar to me. They were still on the show. I've tried to kick them off. They won't let me get them off.

Oh, have they? Oh, really? Because you know what? Because, you know, there's seasons for relationships. Yeah. And I really... That's the headline, you know, which is kicked off celebs go, don't.

I love it. She's kicked that. Exactly. You got it. You knew what you were doing. You're good. You were good. You know, the other thing, too, is connected to this.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how smart you are. I act dumb. Easy. But why do you act dumb? Because I think then no one expects nothing. It's like for years, when I've been interviewed by a journalist, They will ask the same question in different ways, thinking I'll say a different answer.

It's things like that. I know as soon as someone walks through the door, if I'm going to like them or hate them, I just am very good on awe. I know I'm shitting relationships. Take relationships out generally as people. Like, I just know. You know, some people have an aura. You even know you're going to get.

But I can get on with anyone. You could take me into any scenario. And I can get on with anyone anywhere. So I am quite good like that. Friends I've been shit within years, and this is another point that people should take note from me, and you'll probably agree. Growing up, you get to realise who your real friends are.

Now, for me to change how I was triggers this and that. I had to get rid of, had to, and wanted to, but I had to get rid of people around me who like this is to do with friends, work people, all that, who are toxic, haven't got your best interests. And when you're at your lowest, they shouldn't be, what's the word, encouraging it and doing things. Do you know what I mean? Yes, yes. And even to help me is, because you have had so many traumatic events, right?

Yeah. What do you believe was the lowest moment for you? The lowest moment for me was when I took Coke, self-medicating on it. because it blocked everything thinking what the fuck are you doing Kate and what time period when was this? This was about four years ago

I would say Not long ago And it was the denial to my family Kate are you all right get home and I'll be like Yeah yeah I'm fine I'm fine And it was when I'm in bed Depressed

Didn't want to get up Didn't want to have a shower Not me When really Then when I did get up to go to work And people go you're all right? It was like inside I wanted to cry and go, no, I'm not.

But I had to put it on the face. I would never. And then, oh yeah, I tried to commit suicide. I hung myself. And then I woke up. My phone was down the toilet. I had a black eye and marks around my neck. She didn't want to be here anymore.

And then... This is four years ago. Yeah, it must have been about that. And I thought, oh, my God, I've got to do something. I've got to do. I can't be. This isn't me. This isn't me.

But I was going through a traumatic time at the time. So then I ended up in the priory, not for addiction or not that even if I wasn't for addiction, I wouldn't care saying it, but I wasn't. I was there as a general patient. Okay. Because I think everything just, I was in there for five weeks. And the priory, for anyone who's not, it doesn't know what priories. It's like a psychiatric hospital.

And you get people there who deal with drugs. They do the 12 steps, anorexic. Or there's lots of people from the army in America, military people who go and there, people have been abused, people who can't deal with money issues. You could get businessmen in there who have got like the high life when it's crumbling, but they can't let their family know, their friends know, because they don't know how to deal with them coming down, not being, you can get anyone in there for anything. And I find it so interesting.

That's why I don't judge anyone or when they say about mental health, because I think it is an actual real serious thing. Yes. You want to help yourself. It doesn't matter who's around you pushing. It doesn't matter who says help yourself. You've got to want to do it yourself. And if you can't do it yourself, you'll never get better.

You have got to want to do it yourself. True. By taking accountability of the situation I was in. Yes. And owning up to how I felt about you've got to take accountability. People you've hurt, you know, your family. Yes. You've got to own it and realize by getting through it, what doors have opened, it's like the sunshine.

Look what opportunities you've got now. Why? Because your head's better. I'm not being dictated. I control what I do. No one's controlling me. I know where I'm at. I've just been in control.

Yes. And so you're saying you took accountability. I had to. For all those things. And I think this is connected to. So going back to the 95% famous, but then I also looked at. Oh shit. What? Disasters. You ready for this?

Yeah, go on. I looked at popularity. Oh, I wouldn't be that popular. Popular, how they judge it is likeability. Likeability, it's like, Mom, you either love me or hate me. And I don't think the likeability would be very high. It was low. It was 17%. Yeah, it wouldn't be.

So it's like out of, once I get... Because I've gone from the glamour model, the women hated me. Remember that? Get my booze out because it would be their boyfriends or husbands who'd be looking. so the women hated it. And then I might have gone out with people who their fans off like P or, you know, and then their team P, this, that.

Okay. And then it's probably the crash in the car, but I wasn't well then, you know, they saw these downside things, but they don't know everything that's gone in my life and the reasons why these situations have happened. Sure. And I take accountability to a lot of it,

my reactions to things and how, yeah, I've responded to things, wasn't probably ideal, but at least I can reflect back and look and be like, do you know what? I agree with you all, no. Yes. I've gone through it all.

I'm not perfect. I'm not trying to be perfect, but I've survived it all, living the story, and I just want peace and good energy. So would you like, truly, from your heart? Yeah.

Would you like to be liked more? For me, it's not about proving anything to anyone. I think that's the validation. before it was like I wanted people to like me now I'm about that I've got that much strength that I just it's about how I feel and it's my circle around me and it's more powerful how I feel now than how I was before and in time people were realised actually they'll probably be like actually do you know what good on her yeah whatever I thought of her I've actually changed my mind because I do get that a lot when people meet me.

They're like, you're actually different to what I thought. Yes. Yeah. And you said you feel healthier. Yeah. Really than you ever have. Yeah. Every trauma you have and you try and deal with it, you'll never forget it.

True. But you know how to deal with it. Like you will know what your triggers are for certain situations. You could watch telly and be triggered. But you know in your mind how to deal with it. Whereas before triggers, I would self-medicate. Like, oh, I can't do this. Leas me like.

Now, I don't. I'm quite happy to be like, but I came in there and I'm like, oh, this is like a therapy room. Oh, there's tissues. Because I've had lots of that. But I'm quite happy to do it. I'm quite happy to talk about relationships

that have hurt me, traumatized. I know we haven't gone into details about them. Because I can deal with it now and I'm happy to talk about it now. You know what? I haven't pride deep into specific trauma. Yeah, but almost out of respect. Oh, thank you. Because I don't know.

even think it's necessary because everyone knows you've been through hell, you know? But do they? I don't know if they actually really do, no, because I think if they, no, because I think there's so much noise about me every day. I call it noise because every day there's something, there's something, there's something. I don't think people can actually pinpoint things because there's so much stuff, but if you actually broke it down and actually realized what I've actually been through. So let's talk about this then. Yeah.

There were three incidents that I read about that blew me away. Really? Which ones were they? So the first was in South Africa. Oh, hijacked and raped that one. Yes. Yeah. That one to me was...

It was horrific. Even Princess had therapy for that. It was horrific. But I was told not to talk about it. And I carried on filming another day. you, you filmed. I carried on filming because I thought I won't get, they asked me from the show if I didn't

carry on filming. And I didn't deal with, I've never dealt with that trauma. I'd have because that was one of the reasons of my breakdown and everything just came in. That was the most horrific thing and till this day my friend Neil who I was with there because he was my best friend

and he lived in South Africa which is why I was going there, he still can't see out of his eye properly, still got a scar there where they knocked him unconscious. I mean if If you're open to talk about it because it was horrific. It's another trauma that most people will never experience. Until you're in it, like, you know there's a saying, oh, take a bullet for my kids. My kids have witnessed that, literally.

So in the car, you're filming. So we were on our way to the next destination and the producer decided he wanted to go a different route. And who was in the car? planned. So it's me, Junior, Princess and Neil. And in the front, there was a Viano in the front, and it had all the film crew who were filming us. But the one that went way far ahead had all our luggage, and he was from South Africa. I don't know if we were set up. I don't know what happened. But Junior wanted a wee. So we walkie-talkie to the front. Oh, we've got to stop. Junior wants a wee. And it was just like one of them roads that has never ended where nothing's

on it. Like nothing's on the road because we're waiting to get to a border to cross it. We all stopped. And then this car pulled up with about six guys in it and they just run over and went, give me your casa, casa, casa, casa. And we're like, what is this? And I remember this particular guy. He had a black hoodie on Adidas with the big Adidas sign. And for quite a few months after, and even now, if I see a guy of black Adidas, I'd just sort of flicker back to that. And I just remember, we all got in the car and they're trying to open the doors, this and that, trying to tape, everything, going, Gaza, Gaza, and they had all the guns.

And then they went on the car in front. There was guys on the car in front. Then they come back and I'm trying to shout out to the guys, how fast! Like that. I've got Junon Princess in the back screaming. I'll just remember their face, like, Mom, Mom, like this. I'm like, shut up the doors like that. And then the guys took the keys out of the car, so you couldn't drive off.

and then one of them opened the door and then yeah he's hands and yeah whatever he did to me and then Neil was like he was the only one who got out Neil and went right let's have it then if you want it because we thought we were dead so he got out trying to whack them so we could get the keys back none of the guys in the other car got out the men and then um I think Neil gave me the key

and then I shut the door and it's like a horror film that the female person jumped in the back as well I think they stole all her rings and I mean they stole load of my jewellery and all of this and then Princess how funny are they they had their iPads I said just sit on them sit on them and I was going to them you stay away from them like I wouldn't let them near the kids

and then I had a pillow look it's all scatty in my mind because I'm remembering it all and I'm like that with a pillar and I remember being like that with the kids behind me just waiting to fill a shot just waiting for it. And then it obviously didn't happen, so I think Neil then got in. Now I got in the front because I think you got the keys through it to me.

So it's like a horror film. I'm like that, trying to put the keys in, trying to put the keys in. And then they opened the door, took the keys off. Then I moved over, Neil got in, tried to get the keys back off them. And then they like had a gun here. And then one of them come along with a log and went bash in his face. Blood went everywhere. And he was like that unconscious.

We thought we were going to die. I can't even explain. Then he sort of got up like that. And then they went. All of a sudden they went. And we're like, if they'd gone, I just can't even tell how traumatising was. And then we got out.

And we're trying to howl down any car. No one would stop. And then I'm in the road with the kids. Neil's face is all bleeding. And there was a car. They obviously had kids in it. I'm like, please, stop. I've got kids.

Look, please, we're not here. We don't want nothing from you. I said, we need the police. We've got no phones up. We need the police. And then they said, oh, the police were up that road. I said, please, can you turn around and get them? So they actually did. The police came. And so we're on the back of the police car. We were just all in shock. An ambulance came for nil to take him off. And the police said to us, you're so lucky that you weren't killed.

I said, why don't you think we were killed? Basically, it made the news out. there, not because of who we were, just because they couldn't believe that we weren't killed. Because they had taken the keys to the vehicles and went off with them and all the stuff that they took. So I said, their reason they didn't kill you is because they would have dumped the stuff, come back for the vehicles, then they would have killed you because that's like what they do over there. So it was lucky that then people went and got the police, because otherwise if they'd come back, we'd be gone us. We had no security, nothing. And then, um, Obviously, the next day, we had security.

And the security said, I can't believe you, you haven't had security with you. Because if you did, that wouldn't have happened because they all carry guns. But you think about a story like... No, it was horrific. How do you, and you said you've never, you never specifically had therapy around that. You then continued filming. Yeah, this is one little blip of your life. The tiny little blip, but it's just huge.

Looking at that, right, those are significantly tremendously tremendous. events happening. And what trauma does is, what it does is it makes us look at life and experience life differently. So based on those events, that trauma, how you then... I've never done deal of it. This is the trouble. I've had, like when I had three kidnap threats as well, with Scotland Yard, I couldn't

take my kids to school for three months. I had for Scotland Yard do it. There was a time where Scotland Yard, police form camp beds outside my bedroom door and outside my property. I mean, I haven't gone into detail about all of this ever because when you do interviews for print, they don't print it all. But I have to ask, how did this come about?

The police to snuck at your door, a clove police, and they're like, our intelligence have told us. That you have a kid, now? I've had three, yeah. One was a million pound ransom for Harvey, and a car accident was going to be set up. They were going to fake to be police. and pull me up as Ransom and Tate Harvey

and I said to them if you know all this is happening why can't you arrest the people because the first time they came and they showed us photos of people and said do you know these people and I'm like this is a prank in it I didn't believe it

but I've had three of them serious ones and they can't do anything unless they're in the act but fortunately I knew when when the group was on my way to the house I was in London and the police said, like, okay, don't go home.

We're following the gang now from Liverpool. They were in route to your house. They were en route to my house. They're intelligent, you know. Yeah, so I remember being near Marble Arch. I had my friends Gary and Phil in the car. I said, I'm not allowed to go home because the gang's on the way now to the house.

So I've had it. So I've had serious events like this. because my life so fast track it's like one thing after so I've never dealt with any of it and I think the last blow for me was when the ex-husband was when I say cheating on me like

unbelievable and then all flashbacks of everything else was coming and it got to a point where I couldn't communicate for anyone and when you don't communicate with things things go down and then you get more and more and it got to a point where I'm like oh just leave me alone it was like that

and that that just was what finished me off basically so then when I went in therapy they unpick everything I mean I haven't unpicked everything because there's been so much but I'm now the other side of it and I can look back and reflect

and I would never wish it on my worst enemy what I had to go through like it's the worst thing but you can get through it and I say to trust me if I got through it anyone can do it but you really can do it but you have to want to do it.

How do you see life differently because of all the trauma? It's made me realise all bad mistakes, bad choices. I wish that I dealt with situations then, but nothing was on offer then. And I think TV companies or not just TV companies, people you do jobs for should have a duty of care for things. And I'm not blaming anyone. It's just that back in the day of something,

something happened, I didn't know what a therapist was. I didn't know what mental health. No one really, it wasn't really spoken about. Right. But I think nowadays, you have, it is out there. And it's good that you've got a therapist. I'm free and I'm light. The word is light.

I don't feel heaviness. I can sleep at night. Because I started communicating with things and things get better and it's like a flower. Everything opens. Yes. And it's like a different world. I got to the other side and now. the world is my oyster and I'm in control of my destiny in that way.

There you go. There you go. Now, you just mentioned that you said there's certain things that I hadn't, I haven't even unpacked in my therapy. Of course there isn't, yeah. So when you think about a relationship moment. Yeah. That you've not yet unpacked or discussed previously. Yeah. What is one that we can even unpack now? A moment. Being strangled, spat on my computer. being completely smashed, holes being punched in the wall, the name calling, things like that, yeah. In any of these relationships, did you ever fear for your life?

Yes. But I couldn't leave because it's, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again. I love you. And it's always, you will never find anyone as good as me. You will never find anyone who loves you like me. No one would accept you. and they've, this, who would want you, an old husband like you with five kids? You're lucky that I want you.

Or I can go and pull a bird, I can. You know, you'd only pull, you wouldn't pull anyone younger, all this. It's very easy to say to someone who's a victim of mental abuse or physical abuse, because you won't see it. It's behind closed doors it happens. So always be aware, when you look at these couples at garden parties or whatever, I always assess situations so if I see couples sitting there together

and they're not really talking or one's not, I'm like, I wonder what's going on there? Why aren't they like talking? Are they not allowed to? Right. Little comments or little looks people make, because I've been there and it's the worst situation to be in.

It is. When you see a heterosexual couple go into a, you know, into a party. Yeah. And you'll see that the woman is not talking to any of, of the men. Yeah, well, straight away, it's the man.

And then you begin to see that, you know what's happened is she's fearful? And you see the man like this on her a lot. Exactly, holding, bling, right? That's so indicative of control. But it makes me feel a knot when I sit because I've been there. Or, like if someone is talking, then the guy goes over and then the other person walks away and you see them having a little talk and they're a bit like,

yeah, yeah, I'm fine. And you're thinking that they're going to get a bollicking in the car. Exactly. It's been in all situations where you know that when you leave, you're going to get it in the air and it's going to ruin your night.

And then sometimes you're like, it's just not worth going. No. Because I'm just going to get the agate. And then that's where you get into this rut. Yes. And to that point, Katie, is that's when you become isolated.

It is. It's so easy done. And it happens very quick. Yep. Yep. Because you think that the other person loves you because they're like, Oh, no, why don't it just be you and me?

I just love friend in time. I just want it to be us. Like, oh, do we need to go and see them? Or do we need to go to that? Why don't we just do something? And because it's the first you fall for it when really you're falling into all then red flags of them isolating you.

And then they make comments about your friends. Well, I don't really like your friends comment like that. She's not the kind of person I want you to hang out. Family's no good. Yeah, well, it all starts, the comments. And then sometimes you start double questioning yourself. thinking, I'm like going mental or are they, it's when they make you feel mental. Say like you put your keys on the side.

Right. And you know you put your keys on the side. And they're like, I said, I know I put my key. And they're like, no, you didn't. You was just rushing around. It's because you were so busy. You don't know what you're doing half the time. And I know I put my key.

It's things like that when they make you double question. You think, am I going crazy here when you know you're not? They probably moved them to make you feel like you're going crazy. That's the gaslighting. Yeah, it's all. And it happens so much in relationship. And that's the reason why I think at the end of the day, and this is the question that you always have to ask yourself going forward. Go on.

Is do you know what the healthiest, the best relationship is? You know how you know you're in it? Tell me, where you've got no worry or? No, actually, tell me. You know what it is? This is good for you to know. Is there's two things that you will always feel when you are in a great relationship. Tell me this, because no one's ever, ever said.

smiling. How do you know when you are in a good relationship? Go on tell me. All right. The first is that you feel better with that person. Life is better when you were with them. Okay. So you feel elevated. You feel more powerful. You feel you're experiencing more, right? You don't feel less than. I've never had that. You feel better in any relationship. And number two, you feel free. never had that because never had any of them and jay j he's the he's the he's when i say about jay he's the most kindest genuine easygoing chilled person but do i feel my most happiest and do i feel free no it's not a reflection maybe that's me what i need to change for myself exactly and And it could also mean what I keep telling you.

Respect. And that is that you need the sabbatical. You need some time to yourself because you have to first experience what freedom feels like. All right. Tell me what is free. Freedom to me is like when I took my kids to Thailand for a month, just me and them, we're in Thailand for a month. We felt free. it was like just little life experiences, seeing things

and like taking them to like little adventures, things like that. Things like that is how I feel free and like this is a stupid one. If I want to lay in the bath and put my, you know, the eye for them and watch telly and free, I don't have to rush, I can watch what I want on telly. Yes. I can sleep like that.

Just little things. If I'm, oh, this is another thing. If I'm in the car, I want to play my, music from all genres and just being the calm and single, not have to talk to anyone. Okay. Things like that and like I say with the horses, rider, if I want to plait their mane and tell, let me plad it. If I want to paint their hooves, I'll paint their hooves, like oil.

Just things like that, freedom where I don't have to think, oh, I've got to be back because I said I'll be back then. And then I know that when I go back, I'm like, now what? That, and that's what I do all the time. So everything. I just don't want to have to answer to anyone. Everything that you just said. I want them to fit in with me and like...

Or do it with a partner where they enjoy it, not where you... It's not when you go shopping and everyone does. It's when you're with your other half, you feel you're being rushed. And it's like, I want to do all this and have a laugh and look at the person, being so in love and say,

isn't this amazing? Aren't we having such a good time and be excited to do all that with the partner? Yes. I've not really had that. That should be your minimum. Really? Yes.

It's, you know, all relationships go up and down. Everyone has arguments. But you should feel free. And you should feel like you're better. So, for example, with my wife, we've been married for 23 years. I love that. All right. And I promise you, I feel better because of her.

Actually, that's the moment. You know, Kate. And I bet she supports you. Supporting your partner, I think, is. and embracing what they do. I've never, ever had that. And I think that's important. You know your partner is supportive

when they cheer louder for you. Yeah. You cheer for yourself. I've never had that. Yeah. To say, Katie, like, that was so good. Like, great project that you did. That was incredible.

Never get that. Yeah. That's what you deserve. Yeah. That's the minimum of what you deserve. Yeah. When does this come out? It's going to come out very soon.

Fuck. Because I know that I've, I've said stuff, but I have to be, if I can't be truthful in front of you, this is what I mean. But I can't sit there and this isn't for, I know it's a podcast, but if I can't sit there and be truthful to you, when can I ever be truthful? I don't know how this is going to come out. And I don't know if I'm going to get backlash from it. But I can only tell you how I feel and get advice back, because if I can't get that from you, then how am I going to get it? You know what, Katie, every single one of our guests, you know what they say off camera?

I'll say this on camera, but you know what they say off camera? Well. As they say, oh, Paul, I'm nervous. I'm nervous about what I said. It's not that I'm nervous. I just think it's home truths I probably needed to hear. And it's probably, I need to probably say things to use that everyone else hears. I appreciate that.

Yeah. And also, I know that you don't like a compliment. No. They have to give you another compliment. Oh, shit. Because I didn't know how this conversation was going to go. Yeah, I didn't either, actually. I learned a lot again, and I love coming away with something.

No, and I've learned something. Yeah. And I appreciate that. Yeah. Go on. What are you going to say? This has gone better than I had expected. Oh, really?

Yes. And when I say better is that what I see is I truly think that you are portrayed as someone that you are not. Thank you. I always say that. Yeah. You are portrayed as someone that you were not. Now, have you played a role in that portrayal through, you know, through your life?

Sure. You've played up to that a little bit. That's why I said I take accountability for some of my actions as well. That's all we can ask, right? Yeah. Is that you reflect. I can't change it. You can't change it.

You apologize. You take accountability. Yeah. But do you know how you will show your accountability? Action. through your actions. Yeah. And that you will only have what I say are new mistakes.

Yes. Don't repeat any of the old ones. Don't repeat, no. Only new mistakes. But one thing that you have to truly own is because when I asked you like, who are you? What makes you extraordinary? I see that you struggled a bit. Because it's like when someone says to you, what do you do for a job?

You know, when you fill out forms, I don't know, I never know what to say. Okay. I'm like, where do you want me to start? this being me. All right, but you may not know what your job title is. Yeah. You have to know who you are. You mentioned a little while ago.

I know you'll probably thinking, hurry up. Yeah, no, no, no. I've got to go to Cambridge Uni after this to do a bloody talk. Yeah, what are you doing a talk about? Oh, I've done it at Oxford and that. Like, they like to ask questions about beers and this and I've got to have dinner with them all. They're so posh. Okay.

But everyone, I feel like so common when I'm with them because they're like, oh, hello. And I'm like, hi, are you right? Like, do you know what I mean? Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah, I've done a lot of debates at Oxford and all of that. They're quite fun to do. Yes. So I've gone from this to now going up there, like, give an advice.

Which is good. You're going to be giving advice, which I love. And I know, so I was interrupting. I like everything you're saying. No, no, no, no. I love this. I see how your brain works and I'm with you. It's a bit scatty, but it makes sense in my head.

You said that there was a, it was an ADHD diagnosis that you had, but as an adult. Yes. So my mum kept saying, like she always says, you're always like, even when you sit there, you move around a lot, you're quite like this. You're like erratic behaviour and you're impulsing with this. I'm like, I don't know, mum, this is me. And she said, there's something not right about your brain.

I said, I don't know, ADHD or something. She goes, well, you need to be tested. So I went to Harley Street. She found, my mum's quite good at this, finding not just any doctor like specialists in it all. So when and sort, it's not cheap either for anyone listening. Because you can do it through NHS enough,

but I think it takes ages. I don't know if it's the same. So we went somewhere proper. And they literally just ask you some questions and you feel when they're looking at you and then I'm thinking, am I moving too much? You sort of feel a bit, I don't know, it's the aura with them because you know they're looking at.

You're asking questions. And then they send my family forms to fill out. I'm not allowed to look at it. And they fill out forms from childhood. Ask loads and loads of questions quite a lot. Then I have to do the same. But then I need help because believe it or not, I have to have an appropriate adult with stuff,

like if it's caught in stuff because I can't concentrate. Oh, really? So to this day, I've been dialed that I have to have an appropriate adult. Did you not know that? I did not know that you still. Yeah, and people would be like, what's that? And I'll tell them in a minute. So I'm not very good at read.

I can read, of course I can read. But I'll read it all and then I'll get bored or then I start thinking of something else. So I find it hard to focus on forms and filling out forms. So I filled it all out. And then I remember I was in Thailand, getting my tattoos done. And he rang me. I said, so have I got ADHD or what?

Like me being me, goes, well, what do you think, Kate? I went, well, probably nuts like that. And he went, no, you severely got it. So then they were saying, my mum's obsessed about you need medication for it because you were so erratic, this and that. And I'm like, mum, medication's not the answer to everything. And so they tried me on two different ADHD meds. It was frightening.

Didn't work. They gave me another one. And I thought I was going to have a panic attack. My heart's racing, all of this. They said, stop. So they said the medication is not working with you. Obviously have learnt how to deal with it yourself. So now I understand about ADHD

that your brain is wired different. But I've learned how to deal with, like I say, the impulsiveness, the answering, the text messages, try not to be erratic. Let people talk, listen to people. And it's helped a hell of a lot. Wow. So how is it that... So the appropriate adult.

So I've had a lot of court stuff, even like the bankruptcy stuff. That was all like, so I've been diagnosed about 18 months ago. I didn't understand anything. And like when I was getting all letters with my breakdown, I didn't really understand everything. So I'd leave it to the side because I didn't understand or read it all. You're like, oh, I'll do it later. I'd put it off, put it off, put it off.

It's because I didn't really understand what was going on. So that's how the bank. Rhapsody got into that because it wasn't communicating, wasn't doing anything. So then I've had a lot of court things, serious court things I've had to deal with behind the scenes, which people don't know about. And they're like, no, because of her diagnosis

and the waiter she needs to have an appropriate adult. Really? So is that the court that said this? Yeah, the courts and the doctors, because they're essentially doing stuff, yeah. So is this for the rest of your life that you'll... With things. So if there's a court thing, or say, if I get arrested by the police, which I have been, it's on the record that I have to have an appropriate adult in with me.

So this is an appropriate... That's something new. No one knows about me. They're going to explain to people what an appropriate adult is because people don't... You'll explain it better than me. No, no, no, because I was going to ask, because with the appropriate adult... Yeah, from what you know, tell me what that is. From what I understand is, it is an adult that is an assigned to you, so 18, but it's... I guess the law in the US would be 21, but he...

It might be 18, but an adult who's assigned to you, and this person is there to help you in making these decisions. Yes. So to ensure that your rights, in essence, are protected. So not necessarily a lawyer, but that you understand what it is that's happening. Yeah. It's exactly that. But I had no idea that you had this assigned. Yes.

Wow. And now I wish, that's why I said, I wish. Years ago, people knew that I had this ADHD because it and the appropriate adult making decisions with contracts. Exactly. Things like this. Exactly. Your life would have been mapped out different. I mean, I still would have been successful and done what I done.

But I think it would have helped in so many ways. In so many ways. I agree. I agree with that. That's fasting. I did not know. Yeah. One question I have to ask you.

So, Katie. Oh, no. Now what? No, no, this is good. This is good. Yeah, go on. So, I have a new show on Netflix. It's called Cheats.

But I think, where is this out yet? Because I've seen it. I love things like that. Yeah, I have seen it. I haven't watched it, though. It just came out. It is myself and Amanda Holden. Oh, I love Amanda.

She lovely. Oh, my God. So funny, isn't she? She has the best laugh. Banta as well. It's the two of us and we're helping these couples to realize should they be together or not. But ultimately, the question is,

This is the question I want to ask you is, the question is, is once a cheater, always a cheater? Now, I have to say, when someone cheats, then it can be in a spectrum of other things, because then they can say, well, I've got sex addiction, I've got this and that. That this is what I've had to deal with, with one of my relationships. He wasn't just a cheat. He did it with my best friend, two of my best friends are 25 years. then it was the nanny, then it was the housekeeper, then it's this person that all people I knew

because it was easy for him to cheat. I think he must have a problem. Well, we know he has. And then other people, I think they cheat. This is what for men. I'm not saying women are any good because women are just as bad as men. And I think alcohol is no excuse,

but I think if people are out and alcohol and it's easy and the fuck it's. button and then they'll probably regret it off. So there's so many situations why people cheat or if they're not happy in a relationship. Yes. They want the attention from someone else and get it. And then before you know it, you're enrolled in the conversation to the point you either meet or you don't, then you do and then you cheat. I've seen so many spectrums of cheating and what I've been through as well. Can I say even from an academic standpoint? Yeah. You just said it perfectly. Oh, did I?

There's four main categories of physical and emotional cheaters. Right. One is someone who's like a sex addict. Yeah. It's repetition. And people often remember, sex addiction, they don't care who it is. It's to do with the adrenaline and they feel shit after. And the high of the rush and the worst situation it is, the more heightened it is, the better the thrill that they feel shit after.

Okay. So you said one of your former partners? Yes. Sex addict, right? So that's one category. Another category you just said, you said the alcohol, it's called situational. Yeah. A third category is conflict avoidant.

Because there's conflict, they're trying to avoid potential conflict. They're trying to get out of the relationship. Yeah. And then the last category is revenge. Yes. And for me, revenge, I'm not into one night stand. So I'm not a one night stand person. So when I hear of people who do the one night stand thing for revenge, I'm like,

it's not going to make you feel better. That's going to make you feel. She's her of it was. So do you think, though, once a cheater, always a cheater? Right. So when I say if I cheated, it's been at the end of a relationship, like my ex who cheated on me with everyone and like, yeah. I said I start getting attention and then I would go out and have dinner or meet them.

Okay. But it doesn't mean, so I had sex with them. But that's still a cheating. That's what I'm saying. People have to remember sex doesn't mean it's cheating. Texting. And you know it's wrong. It's cheating.

If you know in your head, oh, I shouldn't be doing this, think to yourself. Would you like your other partner to do it? And if you're already questioned, is it right or wrong, you've crossed the line. There you go. So then I have to ask. You tell me.

But once a cheat, always a cheat. They've done it once. See, I've been burnt so bad with it. Depends why they cheated. But I would say if they've done it once, they're capable of doing it again. Wow, look at that. So now this is a technical, but I just have asked...

I love this, go on. I'm going to watch that show, but it might be triggering for me, but I'll watch it. All right, so there was a rumor. Clear this up. Is this about me? This is about you. Oh, fuck. Which one is this?

And Peter? Yeah. Okay. There was one side that said he cheated. There was another side that said you cheated. It was a third side that said you both cheated. Right. Which side is correct?

We broke up because he thought I was having a... affair with my dressage rider. And I've never slept with him. I just kept my horse there and I was happy keeping my horse there and he was married. But when me and Pete split, because it used to keep saying, that's it, I've had enough, I've had another, and it got to point where I went, when divorced

and then, I remember the day, because then I flew to the Maldives with the kids. That day, I'm at the airport, it's all on Sky News, wasn't mutual at all. And then I read done a statement saying, I don't want to split for Pete, it's Pete that's splitting with me. until this day, me and Pete have never sat down and spoke about it. You've never had a conversation?

No. How do you manage the kids? It was all through lawyers. But the kids, though, how do you... All through lawyers. That's sad because you... I've never sat down with him. But you didn't want to break up with him.

No. You were not having an affair. I would imagine that with that relationship, it's... We probably would have sorted it out, to be honest. Yeah, you would have... We would have done, but they were kept apart. But you now you have to co-parent. Yeah.

It's been very behind the scenes, the most difficult thing. So then it just went like that. All of a sudden split. And I think that's where my independence comes from. When I say about the breadwinner thing, I've never, and this is another thing. Although I've been married three times, I have never, ever, ever bought anything with the husband.

I've bought the house, my own car, everything. Never joint. Never joint, yeah, because I don't want it taken off me. Yeah, which makes sense now. But, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm thinking of an idea. So I want to pitch you on an idea. Do you do this with everyone? No.

No, I don't care if you do. You were special. You were special. You're a special, Jeannie Price. So you just told me that you have not talked to Peter Andre. Never. You've not talked. And he won't if you asked him to sit in a room.

If they did. I would. Would you have a chat with him here? Yeah, I would. Well, I'd say what. If we can, we will make a head. happen because I think it would be incredible to be able to reconcile that but it shouldn't even be sparks but we'll see we'll see yeah I would like to spend another two three hours with you but

I know you have to go so I want to I want to respect that so we should do a part two that honestly because there's loads we could delve it and I think people would learn a lot not just about me about everything right now you have my commitment we're doing a part two I'll be need to but so just for today for the end of part one from this day on would you have to commit to me, is that you are going to work on your self-respect. Yeah. You're going to work on yourself confidence. You're going to work on your self-esteem.

Yeah. You're going to hold to your boundaries. Oh, no, it's going to be different. When you interview me next, I'm going to do my home and I'm going to put, and I'm going to tell you what boundaries and things I've done. Okay. It's not really easy, but I've got to do it. I have to do it.

Your children, we just talked about your little girl is she is watching you. Oh, she does. And you know what's so powerful? is she understands the challenges you've had, but you know what's so powerful for her? Yeah, to see Mommy change. Yeah, this is like with my eldest son, Julia, as well. Like, I have apologised to them

for putting them through situations where they've seen me on my down bits and all of that. And then probably not understanding why. And we've had good talks about everything, and they so respect me, like, mum, it's so good to see you come in. the other side because they didn't like it, but at the time you don't know who you're affecting because you're in that headspace. But you know what, you know how... And they love how I am now.

You know how loved you are by your family? Oh, I know they do. Can I, can I give you a little surprise? Oh, what the fuck have you done? I don't say no, you're going to make me cry. I'm not crying. I'm not going to make me cry. I'm not going to make you cry. I want to, I want to, I want to show you this. Have you really got something? I think this is, I mean, this touched my heart. Can I Oh no, what if I cry? Like, I'm crying or what I don't know what. If it's my mum. You ready?

Yeah. This is it, ready? Hi, Auntie, it's Emily. Hi, Auntie, it's Betsy. I bet you didn't think you were going to hear from us today. We are just really proud of you for being our Auntie, and I love how you come to my theatre productions because you light up the room every time I see you.

I love how you come and support me with football with JJ. It really gets me hyped up. We love you so much. Oh, I love it when they do that. I do that with them. Yes. Oh, they're so cute, my nieces. So those are your nieces, right?

Yeah. And they love you and they adore you. Oh, I do them. They're so cute. Yeah. So, all right. Last question. Every guest gets this.

Oh, here we go. Another one. Everyone gets this one. This is the last one is you've had some incredible conversations in your life. Oh, I have. If you can think of who you had a conversation with that was the most impactful. What did you learn and who was that conversation with? I think it might be my mum. She's always like, it goes back to the men again. Kate, why do you pick these men? Like,

you deserve someone to like embrace you, like, not use you. I suppose that word has been used a lot. The word used. I think a lot of people have said, Kate, your mentors, you get used a lot. And even if you don't say men, I've always heard all different people, and I'm not names dropping, a lot of people have always used the word, Kate, you get used so much. Don't let people use you. Which is why, when I said you earlier, I got a lot of people out of my life who I realize aren't good for me,

who are using me. And it got to the point that I would employ people around me. So it's like I'm paying for people. around to have a friendship. Yes. Yes. Does that make sense? Because I'm very friendly and it's like if you have people that work with you and the wrong

thing I'll do is then become friends with them, then I'll be like, oh, I'll get this few. I'll do that with you. And then I've broken that boundary of work and friends. That's happened so much in my life. So I realize you don't have to buy a friendship. Like if they're your friends. So my real, real friends are people I've known for years or from school and they're what I've call my core friends and people who stopped by me when I was at my lowest who were there

through then and is still there now and seeing me come shine in the other side. They're my friends. Yeah. You know, I think that just by itself, that line of you don't have to buy your friends. Like that I think... Don't have to buy any relationship, which is what I've done. And yeah. There you go.

There you go. All right. So, Katie. Sometimes I wish I was absolutely skinned and had nothing and then see what would happen. See what would happen. Yeah. I mean, that's why people say, you know, sometimes you have to hit your lowest to see who's around him.

But I will say this. This is my final for part one. Oh, here we go again. Part two is going to come, but part one. Yeah, we've got to do a part two. You are, I think, what I hope you take away is that, and you know, oh, you know this about me is I don't just say stuff. No, I don't care if you say it to me because it might hit home, some home truths, go on.

No, but it's all love, is I think that you are incredibly, resilient. I have never read about heard anyone that has the amount of life experience, in particular traumatic life experience than you have and is standing today. Just like your therapist said, this is for me as well. I've never, never seen it. So that alone makes you one of, if not the most resilient people I've ever met in my life. I'm serious. That is from the bottom of my heart. Really? I truly believe this. I truly believe this. So that is one. That's good. Secondly is I highly respect how ambitious you are and how much of a hard worker you are. Yeah. You work hard. You've worked hard since you were a little girl. Yeah. And I believe that you were

going to continue to do so. That's two. Three is that. No, no. The last one. And it's good is that I love how much of a nurturer you are. Love it. And what touched me the most, almost from everything, even all the trauma, is how you just wanted a hug. Yeah. But how you, what you've done is you flip that as a little girl saying, I want to hug from these men in my life, you know, from my father figures to I'm now going to

hug everyone. Yeah. And you hug your children. Yeah. You hug your nieces. Yeah. You hug all of these men that have been in your life. Yeah.

And all I want you to do is walk up out of this chair and just hug. on yourself. I will. Well done, Price. I've never done that. Sometimes I need a pat on the bat. I never get it because I'm not asking for it. Like I said, I don't ask for it.

But I know deep down that I've done well to come through what I'm a survivor when I said that to you. Yes. To live to tell the tell from a, like, yeah, I have had a good life as well. It's Wayne's Scales, but I've had a hell of a lot of shit. A hell.

A hell of a lot. Oh, I really enjoyed it. I actually can't wait for part two. Thank you. So let's go by heart. Come on, come on. Thank you so much. Bring it.

Bring it. Bring it. Bring it. Man, I love her. Because, you know, I met her about five years ago. It was hard to kind of get a feel for who she was, what she stood for. But what I didn't realize, and Katie just mentioned this, is that it was four years ago was her lowest point. So I probably met her on this terrible dissent in her life.

And that's why I had hard time kind of figuring out who she was. But today she's a different person, you know, more self-reflecting. more knowledgeable, arguably happier in herself than ever before. So it was great. I would love for her to come back. I mean, I think it's important for us to say, too, is she left this seat and proceeded to walk over there and we talked for another hour with her car waiting outside. So she was having a great time here.

And I love that she feels so comfortable. When she sat down, she said, Paul, I'm going to tell you just the truth. I'm going to be fully transparent and honest with you. And I think in part that's because she's seen previous guests come on and be fully transparent. And so I thank them for that. And then I thank her because she told us stories that she's told before, but in detail that she's never told. The fact that she wanted a hug and never got a hug from her bylawful.

father and her stepfather, that truly will stay with me because she remembers that. And she remembers wanting that. And unfortunately, I believe that was at the beginning of a very tumultuous relationship that Katie then had with men. You know, I've never, these are all nevers. I've never, I've never, I've never met. I've never met someone who has gone through as many toxic relationships as Katie Price. Relax and let Ralph's delivery handle your grocery shopping this week.

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