We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - EXCLUSIVE: Netflix's 'Cheat' Reunion: Unfinished Business! Can You EVER Trust a Cheat?

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

The cast of Netflix’s Cheat: Unfinished Business are back together for the first time - and they’re not holding back! The Netflix series brought together eight ex-couples torn apart by infidelity, to give them one last chance to confront the past and decide if they had a future. Now, in this reunion episode of We Need To Talk, Paul turns up the heat as the cast reunite to reflect on what really happened - and what’s happened since. From confessions and regrets to apologies and unexpected twists, this is the conversation they’ve been waiting 10 months to get off their chests. Who’s moved on? Who hasn’t let go? And who’s still not telling the truth? Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Watch Cheat: Unfinished Business on Netflix: https://g2ul0.app.link/w8ou3PQDbTb  We Need To Talk LIVE:  https://g2ul0.app.link/VOjDM0icWSb (0:00) Intro (0:43) Crossed Wires Ad (1:58) Rebecca G Joins Paul (2:47) Why Rebecca Decided to Join the Show with Biggs (4:21) How Rebecca Felt When She Found Out About Biggs Cheating (6:36) Rebecca's Thoughts on Craig (8:35) Does Rebecca Think She Cheated in the Retreat? (11:06) How Does Rebecca Feel About Seeing Her Castmates from the Show? (12:56) Audience Questions for Rebecca (14:51) Biggs Joins the Conversation (15:49) Biggs' Memories of His Relationship with Rebecca (18:02) Biggs and Rebecca's Break-Up (18:59) Why Did Biggs Want to Go on the Show? (22:29) Biggs and Rebecca Address What Happened on the Retreat (25:05) Biggs and Rebecca Doing the Group Exercise at the Retreat (29:35) Why Biggs and Rebecca's Relationship Broke Down (35:49) Audience Questions for Biggs (37:23) Rebecca's Flirting Being Exposed in the Reckoning Room (39:09) Are Biggs and Rebecca Still in Touch with Their Fellow Castmates? (40:36) Jazz Joins the Conversation (41:32) Jazz's Relationship with Craig (44:01) How Did Jazz and Craig End Up on the Show? (46:59) Rebecca and Biggs Flirting Once the Two Sides of the Villa Had Merged (48:11) Thoughts on Craig and His Actions in the Villa (52:23) When Jazz Confronted Craig About the Flirting (55:58) The Final Reckoning Room (1:05:40) Dan's Bombshell for the Group (1:07:59) Final Thoughts on Craig and His Impact on the Show (1:09:37) Rebecca's Apology (1:10:53) What Do the Group Want People to Take Away from the Show? (1:13:17) Rebecca and Jazz Talk the Gendered Double-Standard of Cheating (1:14:42) The Impact of Social Media on Cheating (1:18:45) Why Did Rebecca Change Her Mind on Craig on the Date Post-Retreat? (1:24:08) Shopify Ad (1:25:12) Tinder Ad (1:26:25) Olivia Joins Jazz and Paul (1:27:21) Olivia's Relationship with Liam and Why They Decided to Go on the Show (1:28:35) Olivia Confronts Liam Over Cheating Allegations at the Retreat (1:30:30) Paul Explains Gaslighting in Relationships (1:31:46) Can Olivia Trust Liam Now? (1:34:46) Liam Joins the Conversation (1:36:05) Liam Responds to the Audience Reaction to Him (1:37:51) Liam Finally Tells the Truth at the Retreat (1:38:35) Liam Provides Context to Why He Cheated (1:43:15) A Message from Olivia's Ex-Best Friend Celine (1:45:57) Did Olivia Come Over for Christmas? Sponsored by: Shopify: www.shopify.co.uk/needtotalk  Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Came to a luxury retreat for one last shot at happiness. Well, these never been as well. She must have looked at it. Now, for the first time since filming, they're finally talking about it. They're not holding back, and neither am I. Did you truly not remember having cheated? No producers, no scripts,

and nothing is all. We see there's another chair here. Do you know who's going to fill this chair? Are you ready? That's probably too much. Let me see. How about, uh, everyone? Everyone. Oh my God.

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because they will go fast. We'll make sure that there's a link below. Welcome to this very special episode of We Need to Talk. Let's get into it. And as we do, don't forget to like and subscribe. I read every comment and truly appreciate your support. What's up? You're right?

Nice to see you. Welcome. Thank you. Come on right over here. Oh, my gosh. You are here. Oh, yeah. She's here.

She's here. I'll be nervous to see you. Are you? Really? Why? I don't know. I think, you know, the show is aired. now everyone's having their opinions on it and

I'm being made out of be some sort of villain yeah okay we're going to get to it can I say I was shocked yeah I was shocked yeah and there's two sides to everybody story isn't there there is there is all right can we start with this is why did you decide to join the show

you know me and big we always kept in contact after our relationship came to an end. So, I ended things with him. Not sure what he says about it, but I ended things with him

because I didn't want to continue the relationship. It just kind of felt like it just wasn't what I wanted anymore. Okay. As time went on, I'd been single for a very long time. We kept in contact

and I always had this doubt in the back of my head, you know, why did I let something good goal and then the show came up as an opportunity to see it just fits so perfectly I see so you felt like there was just unfinished business yeah with Biggs and what was the unfinished business that you had with I mean there was allegations in the press that he

had been cheating and when I was with him I just I never got into it too much like I thought it was just like you know being in the public people were just like putting things out there and all my friends and family were like, nah, that's not true, we would never do that. I asked him about it, like, no, Rebecca, of course I didn't do that. So I kind of just let it slide. So I went back and I see you and Biggs,

you have like hundreds of TikToks together. Hundreds where you're dancing together and it looked like you two were best friends. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was like, like best friends. Rebecca, you might not know this. I'm an emotional guy. At my wedding, I cried the entire wedding. That was before I started drinking.

Right? So I definitely get emotional. There were two moments in this show when I watched it back that I started to get emotional. And one moment was right at the beginning where you were doing your interview. When I watched it back, I asked it crying,

and I think one thing as well, when I said to him, would you ever have told us, if we want to get back together, would you have told me and cheated? And he said, no. And I was like, no. So not only can you not be honest with yourself,

you wouldn't have been honest with me, but then you tell us straight up in front of all these people, I was like, wow. Yeah, yeah. Really took his back. So there are many people who believe that once a cheater, always a cheater. Yeah, I think.

And that becomes a big reason. why they would never entertain someone who's cheated on them. What's your take on that? I don't know. I just feel like I couldn't look someone in the eye and be the way I used to be with them, knowing that they really hurt is. So eventually, in the villa, you came and you told Biggs.

There was a moment where I felt like, in essence, you were breaking up with him again. That's how it felt. But you tell me, because there was a moment where he was in the bed, you walked over to him. And you said something along the lines of, you know this will never be romantic again. Yeah.

Do you remember that moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the drive for you to tell him? I felt like I needed to be honest with Biggs because I felt like he was putting in some serious work. So I felt, respectfully, I needed to go say to Biggs. I don't say this going in a romantic way again. And I think for me to say that and do that,

that made me feel better because then I knew where, where I was at instead of just going around in my head and around and around thinking could it be, no. I think I made it very clear. Have you watched the show? Do you know what? I actually thought it was a good show.

I actually enjoyed it. At what point did you see Craig as someone other than just a housemate? But that he could be more than a housemate? You know, we just got on really well and like there was chemistry between You know, you know, for sure.

Okay. Maybe when Dad mentioned it and I thought, maybe he's, okay. Maybe it is, yeah. Is it? All right, so when that happens, you think, okay, this could be a thing. Is there any moment where you're thinking, wait, hold on for a second. This guy, Craig, is here because he was living a double life. I know.

I know. It sounds crazy. The way him and jazz went on in the reckoning, I was like, wow. Like, I didn't like the way they were speaking of each other. I thought it was very, there was a lot of anger between them. And I thought that's not for me. I mean, even after the show ended, I remember Craig coming up and being like, let us take you for dinner.

I'm sorry that went that way. You're talking about, like, after the final reunion. The final reunion, cameras went off. Everyone left and he came up. It was apologising. Like, I want to take you for dinner and make this up. I was like, no no no no no no no no that's that's wild it's so wild so so so wild but i mean i think he just lives in his own

little world i think it's just craig's world it's wild that you know that that that that does surprise me because of how that final reckoning went yeah um which was the most probably explosive one hour of my life. That was... It was like a volcano erupted and it just went, boom. I mean, me and jazz were both played, really.

So now, looking back, do you feel as if you cheated in the retreat? No, I don't think I got to cheat. But then even for me, I should, really, I should have took a step back.

He was just trying. He was like a little sneaky fox. So do you feel like Craig cheated while he was in the retreat? I feel like Craig was just playing a game. Okay. So he wasn't cheating then? Well, I mean, he wasn't in a relationship with me and he wasn't in a relationship with her.

I don't think he was trying to make it up with jazz. But if I hadn't have been there, it would only have been someone else. Like, he would have only have been flirting with someone else. Okay. So this is interesting. So you're not calling it cheating, but you're saying that he, did he betray jazz? Yeah, 100%.

Okay. He wasn't being honest with that. He was compulsive lying. He broke, would you say, either an implied or specific boundary that they have created. Yeah. In my opinion, that's cheating. Okay. So that's fidelity.

Yeah, that's infidelity. I always look at it as if you as you and your part, partner, if you have an implied boundary, or if you have a specified boundary, and that is crossed, you have cheated on your partner. So, Paul, do you think that I was in the wrong? Do you think what the situation with me and Craig, I should have handled a different? Yes. You do?

I do. Okay. I think there's one part that the viewers need to understand that I don't think they're giving you enough credit for. And that is that Craig was telling you specifically that he was not in a relationship or breaking things off with jazz, et cetera. So you hearing that, you're thinking, okay, this is all good. But I think the problem and where, you know, where you let me down, Becca, you let me down a little bit, is that you heard the words, you believed the words, but you didn't see the action. Yeah. You didn't follow the action because what he would do then is walk

into the Reckoning Room and show up differently and present like he was fighting for jazz. So I thought you would have picked up on that and said, hold on, this is not right. How do you feel about seeing the other cast today? I mean, I actually feel nervous. I mean, on social media at the minute, I'm being called a home wrecker. like a home wrecker and I'm like I didn't do any home wrecking

like if Craig wanted to be with jazz he would have been with jazz and made that very clear and not have been being flirtatious behind our back or when he thought the cameras were turned that he could have his little fling with me like if a man wants you he's going to prove to you that he wants you and I mean

him saying to jazz like oh Rebecca's being clingy and stuff today like I absolutely was not being clingy, but you're obviously leaving it all open to be like, come on in. Yes, yes, exactly. When was the last time that you talked to Craig, jazz and bigs? Never spoke to Biggs, never spoke to Jazz.

And Craig texts the other week saying, happy birthday, but I just ignored it. Wow. He's still trying to get in there. Yeah. I mean, for me, Paul, like, from that retreat leaving, yeah, I think my standards are so high. And I would never be in a situation where a guy's giving us, you know, this flirtatious ban now. And I'm like, ha. My life's so different now and I'm so happy. Can I say, I love that you're walking out with higher standards. I love that you're walking out with, I can see you even show you've been. show up different today.

Yeah. You know, can I get to some audience questions? Yeah. Are you ready for these? I am ready. All right.

And you just speak from the heart on this. So one question is, Rebecca, if Biggs had not cheated, do you think you guys would have rekindled your relationship?

I think I'm really struggling to answer that because I was saying is cheat. Cheat. Cheat. I don't know. Yeah.

So right now I'm going to say no. Okay. All right. Next question is, why didn't you leave earlier if you knew you wouldn't forgive Biggs? I don't know. Maybe I should have left sooner. Okay. All right.

That's an honest answer. But I think even if I did leave sooner, I still don't think Quiggs and Jazz's relationship would have worked out. Okay. Okay. All right, so these start to heat up now. Oh my God, you're scaring me. Next one. Why did you speak to Biggs so disgustingly?

Wow. Wow. I mean, let us just say one thing. Obviously, we're being filmed, yeah? There was a lot said back and forwards. My blood was boiling. And when someone's trying to shut you down and forgetting what they've done,

it just made it so mad. I mean, coming back to the jazz thing again, like, when I watch the show back, I do feel bad. Okay. I think that's the beauty of this is so, you know, this whole platform is about what we need to talk about. We're talking about infidelity, but a big piece around infidelity in terms of how we get through it is healing.

Yeah. And part of what I feel is my responsibility is to help in the healing that's happening among you all. And so that's why I think this conversation is so important. Let's bring Biggs in. Okay. My man.

Good to see you, man. Good to see you. You're good? I'm good, I'm good. Okay, come on. Have a seat right there. Thanks. All right.

Biggs, the first thing that I have to say is I noticed that you two did not acknowledge each other. Okay. there seems to be a lot of tension, you know, between the two of you. And what I didn't realize is what Rebecca just told me is that she hasn't spoken to you in 10 months since the last time we saw each other at the reunion. That's right. One thing I also mentioned to Rebecca that I didn't realize, too, is I've been looking at a lot of your TikToks. Just talk from your perspective about your relationship with Rebecca when it was good.

So my relationship with Rebecca was different. Something I never had. My family loved her. And I know how her family loved me. Yeah. So if you think about what, quote, went wrong. From your perspective, what was it in your relationship? The main thing for me was we wanted different things.

So I wanted a family. and she wanted to party and live that kind of lifestyle especially the age gap, the difference you get me, she was still young at the time when she was 22. And what was the age gap between? So it was six years.

Because when we broke up, it hurt me but it wasn't that deep because already I checked out. You get me? So I used the cheating to make myself feel better. Yeah. You know, on that note, is I saw some comments, not a lot, but some comments on social saying,

what is he talking about? Like, how do you cheat to avoid, you know, you're hurt? And what I think people need to understand is that is technically a category or a reason why many people cheat. You know, I think one of the top researchers in this area is a woman named Shirley Glass, a psychologist who's phenomenal. And she has different categories around why people cheat. One category is called conflict avoid.

someone who is trying to avoid what they believe conflict could be, that is the category that you're talking about, is that it is a self-protection mode. Now there's other categories, you know, there's people who cheat because they're just dicks, you know, like they're narcissists, there are other people that cheat for situational reasons. There's some people that cheat for retaliation. These are the main categories and conflict avoidance is one. So this is what you're saying, is that you were cheating almost as a self-protection.

You know, so tell me about the breakup. How did you two break up? It's an awkward one because it wasn't official. We didn't officially say this is over. It was more like I remember packing my car. You get outside, Rebecca's place. I put all my stuff in my car. And like, we were meant to see the following week.

But then I remember she posted an Instagram story saying we split up. Yeah, but we had a conversation about it. Not that day. Remember the day I left, Newcastle. Yeah, I remember you were going to come back from Scotland and your wang and I said it all. Don't bother coming back. So when the show comes up, why do you get involved in the show? to see if there was anything there.

I needed to get the answers I needed. I just wanted to know if this was real. I feel like she expected me to wait for her. You get me. So you had a lot of hope going to the retreat. Sort of, yeah. Okay, I did. You did, yeah.

You were entering thinking, this is someone who I want to be in my life. does she want me in her life? Is that fair to say? That's fair to say. And also, I'll keep it real, that, because there's been speculations that she cheated.

That Rebecca cheated. So that was the main reason as well that I wanted to come on the show to find out because I generally thought that you were going to tell me that you cheated. Okay. this is a fair forum Rebecca you can ask Rebecca if you'd like to

I'd like to know honestly No I never I never cheated I wasn't taking you on the show to wasn't coming on the show to tell you that I had cheated I'm not cheated This is your time because I never

Because I told my story and I was honest to tell you No I never cheated Leaving your kiss You kissed you guys did kiss you did I didn't if it's the person

that I'm thinking that you're thinking of this was before we were actually together and then he said he cheated towards the end of our relationship so I'm confused all right so so Biggs when you came in there you're saying that you thought

you thought Rebecca had cheated so I thought we were going to start to fresh tell each other the truth okay so tell each other the truth so tell each other of the truth and then start again, well, if that was possible, you get me. All right, I see, I see. So is that why right from the beginning, that first reckoning, you went right in and told her?

Yeah. Okay. Because if you remember, Amanda asked Rebecca, so why are you here? Rebecca said, I'm here to get back with Biggs. And I was like, what? Fair, but I thought you were going to tell me that you're cheating in him. I was going to use the opportunity to tell you and then build on that.

Okay. But you also said that if we had have got back together you would never have told us about the cheating anyways. So that relationship would have just been a whole lie. The thing is I could have lied but I just see this show I used it just to set myself free and just be honest.

Oh you were honest? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you were really the first Biggs to come right out with the truth, you know, among everyone there. And I think you deserve a lot of credit for that because you didn't have to start that way. But you did. Did you feel like, okay, now I have a shot to win Rebecca back? I did. Okay.

I really thought I had a chance. But watching it back, oh my God. Watching the show back, there was... I'd like to know why you did what you did. Was it to get back at me? Or was it to make yourself feel better? I wonder why you did it. I think it was a bit of both.

Or do you actually love her? No, I don't love Greg. No. I think... Yeah, I think it was to get back at you and it was just... He was being flirtatious with me. And it's just kind of, that's just how it went.

Rebecca, that's interesting what you just said. You started that by saying it was to get back at you. Maybe it's a lot of bit, yeah. It shocked me. Because when just said, oh, I put Rebecca on the test. I don't know. My mind was just gone. I just heard flirting.

And not one person told me, I never knew. I knew by the way Rebecca was acting on the show that something was alright, like she wasn't there. But to watch her back and to see they were flirting the whole time. And especially Craig, he should have told me, like he should have spoke to me. I just felt like I didn't need to be open

and tell you that I was flirting with someone else because I made it very clear to you that I didn't see it going in a romantic way with me and you. So yeah. Okay. Now, there's a question. I've asked Rebecca this, but I'm curious what your opinion is, is do you believe that in the retreat that Rebecca cheated on you?

You know what? I would say Rebecca did cheat. Even though she didn't, but I felt like you were playing me. Because, yes, you said, oh, I don't think I can get over this. but I just thought that was you protecting your heart. So I would have to break it down, keep working hard grafting to get her. But if she said,

I'm not interested in you, like, I like Craig, that would have been my sign to leave. Okay. All right, so you're saying that that would have been your sign. But then let me ask you about this. So there's a clip that I want to play

that remember when we were doing the group exercise? Yeah. All right. That, in my mind, was when I thought, Rebecca was done. Okay. All right.

Let's just play it and give me your thoughts on it. So it'll play right. I actually feel a little bit uncomfortable. Yeah. You look uncomfortable. I feel very uncomfortable. Yeah. It's not a nice feeling, obviously.

But the thing is, I can sense it. I mean, typically when we can't look at someone in the eye, it's because we can't trust that person. Yeah. And sometimes you can't look at someone in the eye because they discussed you. Exactly. You're hitting the nail right on the head.

I discussed you. Yeah? Because for being a relationship for nearly two years and then single and acting like friends for three years just goes to show like you've got no respect for us because you've just lied it was for three years when acted like everything was fine, when really nothing was fine. I just think I deserve to have been told.

And then now I'm here like fucking idiots. Yeah, like trying to look you in the eyes, holding your hands. I'm struggling to do it, Paul. Yeah. All right. So tell me about that, Rebecca, in that moment. Did you feel as if it was done then? Yeah. How would this ever be able to be a relationship when I can't even look him in the eyes or hold his hand? Like... So I think this is a great teaching moment for everyone, you know, watching listening, is that, you know, our body typically never lies to us. But rarely do we listen to our body. body because we use our mind to override what our body's doing. If you cannot hold your partner's hand

or anyone's hand, if you cannot look them in the eye, your body is telling you you're out. And it was that moment where I thought, wow, Rebecca is gone. This is it. You know, Biggs, I felt for you in that moment. Watching her back, let's keep a real. You would dip in because there was another guy there. If Craig wasn't there, do you think this situation would have been different? You tell me. You tell me. What do you think? It would have been different. And also, let's be real,

okay? You are known as well to be, like, moving here and there. So you didn't care about me, and you get me, like, you wanted... I'm not for... To move in here and there, what? Like, like... I like jump shit, but, like, kind of... Like, you let guys drop

quick. Because even when you and me got together, you dropped somebody to get with me if we are honest. So... Okay. But... Okay. So if Craig wasn't there,

do you think the situation would have been definite? No. I don't think we would have got back together. Yeah. You know what I'm like. Like, to be told I was shoot on, I wouldn't have moved past it.

Now that I think about it, no chance. Yeah. Like, especially when you turned around and said you didn't. know the person and it was just like a one-off thing like it was just like a quick hit like I just yeah it just made us feel a bit worthless that you would just go do that with anyone with anyone can we can we unpack that a little bit because this is uh we're also talking about infidelity

just in general and you know I pose this question on Instagram and the response was really interesting to me is I asked once a cheater always a cheater you can either say yes you could say no or you could say depends on the reason. The majority of people, what do you think they voted? Depends on the reason. Depends on the reason. So is that your thought too? Depends on the reason?

What's your response to that? I feel like once a cheater, always the cheater is a cop out because they're so tough to say. You wouldn't cheat on somebody you really love, but then I'm not saying I didn't love you, you know I did. The thing is I maybe fell out of love because the difference she was young

I know she needed to party and like enjoy experience the world and you needed to do that so let's see we go deep on this so there was some friction in the relationship you felt as if you two had maybe different life goals how does that then drive you

to have sex with someone else I feel like I was preparing myself for the breakup. Okay. So the day we broke up because people thought I didn't care but I was, so I cheated. I ppped myself. I got the ego that I needed. I'm seeing girls, this, that,

whatever. So the day it happened it wasn't that deep. I was already gone. Okay. All right, let's, if I could jump into your mind a little bit, right, on this. So you were, you feel like you were preparing yourself for the breakup. You tell me the relationship.

or how it happened. So it was a one-night stand and then obviously some takes after. Okay, so one-night stand. So you meet her, you meet this woman, and are you thinking in your mind, okay, I'm going to have sex with her tonight? Or are you thinking, let's just see where this goes? Like, what's in your mind? I was just being an idiot.

I was just trying to, I was drunk. Okay. So then after you do this, If the idea was to protect yourself, why not just tell her? I know. I should have. I should have told you. And that's one mistake I'll never, ever make again.

I was just young and stupid. Rebecca, when he, you know, Biggs did say this at the retreat. He did apologize. Have you fully accepted his apology? No. No, I don't accept the apology. Like, it's what you wanted to do at the time. You've done it now. Like, there's no way of going back from that.

If you feel like stuff's going in a wrong direction, then address it and be done with it. You know, you two are so, I find you two so interesting. The more and more that I saw, you know, information about you two, TikTok, etc. I thought, wow, they're very similar. Even to this day, you realize you two are, matching. You realize this? Seriously, I didn't notice.

Biggs walked in, he was like, oh my God, she's got the same thing. Isn't that long? Literally, your color patterns are the same. This was no plans. But think about that. I mean, normally, like, even with my wife, like, we end up dressing the same because we're so in tuned. And for so many people, I say, they shouldn't even be friends. But you two, I'm going on the record saying that I hope you two become friends. I hope you do because I see a friendship here. I can see you both going on with your lives, but I think it would be a shame to have shared so much, to have so much love between

your families and not still have care for each other. I still care for Rebecca, for sure. I know you've got anger. I feel like you've got too much anger towards me. me. Because at the day we did a show you get me you did this show with me

as I told you what I did to then get back at me even at the day the reunion you get me the reunion was

was crazy that's for sure so you didn't feel bad because when I watched it back I was like damn I think

I checked out of the relationship the way you did when you cheated fear but I, okay, I came here openly told you and I felt terrible whereas you did it back to me

and you didn't feel bad. Yeah. There's no reason why I had to tell you that I went on a date with someone else or even that I was flirting with someone else. The thing is though, like, you asked me on the show what did you expect? Truthfully, like, what did you expect?

Because... I thought we were going on to talk about the cheating allegations, not to talk about that you actually did cheat on it. A lot changed when you hurt your arm, your shoulder. A lot changed then. Yeah, I know. I know it did. And it didn't change for the good for me.

It was hell. Rebecca, can I ask? Because I wasn't able to in the retreat. I feel like this is a better environment to do it, is how dark did things get for you during that time? Because it sounds like you pushed away everywhere. one in your life. Like really bad Paul like to the

point like I didn't know who I was anymore like I actually reached out for help got help because I was waking up seeing black tunnel vision so basically what happened is I fixed that and dislocated my shoulder and ripped all the ligament so I was in a sling for like five

months like couldn't do anything for myself like I just signed a modelling contract and thought that my life was going to be like all into modelling and then I was told I was going to be deformed and I had all of this awful stuff like I couldn't do anything for myself

and I just felt so isolated obviously I couldn't go out anywhere because I was in a slit like it was just the worst time in my life like even now when I think back when you know when people used to say like oh I'm depressed like things on go on my ice but you know like tomorrow's a new day

you'll be fine until you experience it yourself it's so hard to relate with someone Yes. And then hear your partner, then at your lowest point, betrays you. Yeah. I think this helps, this whole context, this helps people to understand the demise of the relationship. And even how you entered the retreat, there was hope on both sides. On that note, we have viewer questions. Okay. For you, Biggs. You ready? Okay. First question. Are there still feelings for Rebecca?

See, I've got such a big heart. Weirdly, I'm not angry at you. I was when I was watching the show. I was going to come here blazing. But, like, I just came in, I just forgot everything. So there's some sort of feelings there. Are there still feelings for Biggs? I don't feel like I have feelings now.

Okay. Okay. Next question for Biggs. Do you regret giving Rebecca another chance? Ooh. Good question. The old me would have said yes because I would have tried to protect my ego,

like to be a man like, oh, I don't care about her, this, that, whatever. But I don't regret it. I'm going to be honest. Okay. That's fair. Just one thing to correct, because I always like to correct when I hear it. That would not be being a man. That would be being a toxic man.

Fair, fear. Yeah. Okay. Fair? Yeah. Fair. All right, cool. Okay, so this is the clip where Biggs, you find out for the first time that Rebecca is flirting with Craig.

Basically, Rebecca Jew has been trying to flirt with him, but he shut her down. very quickly, like immediately, and was very, very transparent with me about everything. And I just feel like that's growth, and I feel like it's really, really positive. Okay, Craig? I wouldn't say it was flirting. I mean, those words did come out of your mouth.

I think me and Rebecca Gio got a good friendship. I'm here for jazz, and I feel like I made the right steps in sort of just telling Rebecca. I think for me personally, Respectfully, it wasn't my place to come and say to jazz, oh, me and Craig have been flirting. So you've been flirting with him? Well, flirting, it takes too.

I see you lurking around him all the time, so obviously I do clock things myself. Listen, it wasn't my place to say, was it? So you find out, you could see some of the reactions around the table, right, where it's clear some people know. So did you have any conversations afterwards with them to let them know how disappointed you were. Yeah, I spoke to Steph, and I said to her,

she should have told me because I would have just made it easier for them. We just left. Okay, okay. When was the last time that you talked to, to everyone else? A few days ago, yeah, we speak often on the WhatsApp. Okay.

So, Jazz, Olivia, Andrea, Andre, Sean, Fee, and then. Yeah, all right. When's the last time you spoke with Craig? I've never spoke to him. Okay. Okay. All right.

Makes two of us. So I've never spoke with my dad. Look at that. So was it beef of you guys? Nothing? No. Nothing at all. Absolutely not.

Okay. Anything else that you two would like to say to each other before we bring on our next guest? You know what? I forgive you. I'm a chance for mine. I forgive you. Thank you.

All right. So on that note, we're going to bring someone else on. How do you feel about us adding more guests to this party? Amazing. I'm very dear. All right. Truly. How do you feel that we are going to add someone else to this conversation?

How do you feel about it? I mean, I think it's going to be good to have a conversation with these people away from the retreat. Times went by. We've all had time to process. what's happened on the show, watch the show, and if people are back together or not together or what's going on? That's true, because you haven't been talking to anybody.

No. No, no. Look who it is. Jazz, welcome. It's good to see you. Yeah. Really good to see you. All right.

I think you know these two? You're looking good. All right. Okay. So, Jess, come on. Have a seat. Have a seat. Welcome to We Need to Talk.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, Jazz. Jazz, I have to start with, I noticed that you and Rebecca didn't greet each other. No. Okay. So let's unpack the why.

All right, around this. Your situation, should I say, and how you got onto the show is very interesting. And I saw someone at TikTok mentioned this as they said, you know, jazz is an example of why you can't always blame the side chick. Yeah. All right. So if you could talk about how you became the side chick, you can't blame. So basically, when I first got with Craig, we were dating and I don't know, we spent loads of time together. So I didn't have kind of any suspicions.

But it turned out that he was living with his ex, so the mother of his child and his daughter. and he said that they work together. They were going through a breakup. He was in the process of buying a new property so that he can move out. I was like, okay, cool. So once that goes through, then you'll be out. So we live really close to each other.

And we would go on like date nights and restaurants and stuff like that, like really close to his house. So I'm like, okay, well, if you're with your partner, there's no way that you can be because you're taking me to local restaurants. you're introducing me to the kind of the owner of the restaurant as your girlfriend.

You know, I was meeting all of his friends, all of his friends. He made a point of like introducing me to all of his different friendship groups as well. Okay. So it was just in my mind, like, his story was true because there's no way you would go to these lamps and introduce me to so many people and go out so locally if you were in a relationship with someone else.

Yes, yes. So the only thing that wasn't happening you thought was you were not living together. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that was kind of the only strange part, but again, he was able to make an excuse for that. You know, the house was taking a long time and he was having issues with the solicitors.

And, you know, like more and more time kind of lapsed. And I was like, okay, this is a bit strange. And then after a while I was like, okay, something's not right here. All right. And what did you do? Did you give him an ultimatum? Did you leave? What did you do?

So when I found out, it was hard because I didn't really know what to do in that situation. Obviously by that time I was like completely in love with him. And, you know, you're cheating on me, but actually you've got this whole happy family. You've got this whole happy family. And like you said, I went from being a girlfriend

and being like the only girl in his life to actually just be in a society. But yeah, in the end, I just left. I just left. I just left. It was like blocked, deleted, and just needed to just cut all ties completely because I just couldn't do it. So then how is it that you and Craig then come on to this show? I was with another partner beforehand and he was quite horrible and kind of some drama happened, which involved Craig.

And then Craig was there to be the shoulder to cry on. it to cry on. And then he actually expressed to me that he wanted us to kind of get back together. And then, you know, we were seeing each other bar. And then one day we had this, we went on a night out. We had this massive argument. And then the next day I saw an advert and it was like, have you been betrayed? Do you want to get back working getting back with your partner?

And I was like, I said this as a joke. I was like, maybe we should do this. Wow. And he was like, yeah, you know what? Let's apply. and here we are. Wow. What were you thinking

was going to happen in the relationship and what do you think he was thinking would happen by coming on the show? I, well, if it's true or not, I don't know, but I thought that he wanted

to prove himself kind of to me and that he was being serious. But, yeah, I didn't end that way. Obviously, you know. It did not end that way. Not. When I was there, you know, when we're filming this at the retreat, you know, I'm watching also some of the bits that are happening.

And what was interesting, and Rebecca, you mentioned this earlier. And I think we saw this play out in the show is that there was a fine line that, you know, that Craig was walking, you know, in the house. And your hope is what, what's your hope, your dream of what's going to happen, best outcome for you? I think the best outcome was we got to talk about all of our history. from the past and I was able to heal from it. He could, like I said, prove himself to me, prove that he's serious, prove that he has changed, and we could get the help from you

to move past everything and build a life together. Yeah. When I saw you all in that first reckoning room, he got emotional. He did, and that was a big moment for me. Because you, I remember, because you said, you've never seen him like that. No. And like it really, like he'd said all these things.

Like he said he wants to give up with me. He said he's wanted to marry me, have kids and like just do life with me. It's been the rest of his life of me, but I'm thinking. Even a gift he gave you. Yeah, he gave me a gift. Oh, what was the gift? So it was a passport holder. And it was basically, it was like a matching one to his.

And it was like kind of to represent like the future we're going to have together, the holidays we're going to have together, like, places we're going to go. Wow. Yeah, so everything seems really sincere. It did. I mean, I think that it felt so sincere that you had no issues. There's a clip that I want to play. This is it right here.

I just sleep with Craig tonight, in the same bed, obviously. Yeah. You're going to sleep in there with that, and ain't? I don't think I can. I'm not. No chance. Am I going to get jealous? I hope so.

I hope so. I think I tell the little. You're a little shit. I don't know if I'm ready for this. Obviously, you're buzzing because you get to see the person that you're here for. But I think Rebecca G's an amazing person. Just got so much time for us. It's a hard one.

This is dangerous as all. Isn't it? It's fun, though. I know. I like getting away. What's so wild to me about that is. is you both are just a stones throw away from that conversation. Completely oblivious.

So when you saw this for the first time, jazz and bigs, what did you think? I feel like I'm feeling the same thing now. I just feel... I feel like a fool, man. Yeah. I remember saying to you, like, why isn't he sharing a bed with you?

Yeah. Because I said, I'm not having... I'm not doing anything on TV. I'm not having sex on TV. like I work in a corporate job I'm not the type of person to be doing that like it's not me so he used that and was like

oh if we sleep in the bed you know I'm going to be so tempted I'm going to be you know trying on with you all night so I think it's best we slept separate but that wasn't the real reason that wasn't the real reason but I didn't have any reason to question it

I just thought okay cool he's just trying to behave himself he's you know in a little horn dog he's just playing a game listening you know what so to me was so incredible about this is that I think that and I don't know you know this is a question for Craig but I wonder if he believed and you can tell me what you think but if he believed that the cameras weren't picking it up because it was so nuanced is that what you is that what you're thinking is I believe them I have all the boys

I believed Craig the most I thought, because he reminded me of myself, like, I just thought this guy is really here to change. Yeah. He was playing everyone. Playing everyone. Like, all the girls were using him as an example in our house. Like, even me.

They're like, I just want a Craig. I just want my partner to look at me the way Craig looks at you. Like, that's, they would say, like, I want a Craig. Because I knew everything. I knew all of the kind of the cheating and everything like that. We didn't have any bombshells at the beginning. And we was just there focusing on our relationship. And I felt a bit smug at the beginning.

I was just like, we're way-headed with the other couples. But yeah, it's went a bit belly up. Like watching that clip makes me feel sick. So that one I could see how that, there's a reaction, right, that you get. And then we were at the reckoning. We were in the reckoning room. And I felt like you were very proud of Craig. And you thought, okay, this was a test, basically, that he passed.

And then you come to find out that the flirting was happening two ways. And there's a moment in there where you say, hold on, Craig, this is your moment to defend yourself. Yeah. When you said that, take me back to that moment. Did you then, was that your, the first moment where you thought, hold on for a second, he may be living a double life in the retreat? I don't know. Like at that point he had made out as if it was just Rebecca and it wasn't reciprocated.

So finding that out, I was like confused because I'm like, we are only here for two weeks. How are you not able to behave yourself? And like it just, it made me feel quite overwhelmed because I'm like, you were in the reckoning room crying like two days ago telling me how much you want to marry me and have my kids. and then now I'm hearing that you're flirting with someone else. Like, can you not behave yourself for two weeks? But then I also felt confused as well because I didn't know the extent of the flirting. And like he said that, you know, it was banter.

And I spoke to other people and they were like, oh, it's just flirt you banter. And I'm like, well, maybe he is flirting, but then she's taking it the wrong way. And it was kind of innocent on his part. So it was just really confusing. Okay, so this is interesting. So because it was confusing to you,

That's why you thought, okay, let me stay. Yeah, yeah, because I was like, I just had so many questions. And I just wanted to get to the bottom of it. I still had hope. I had hope that, you know, it was just one-sided and she'd taken it the wrong way. So I was like, yeah, we need to have a conversation about this. Okay. So you thought, okay, that it was one-sided, maybe Rebecca took it the wrong way.

But it was this moment that took me. I mean, tell me what you think. Yeah. Okay. Jazz, what was the point of me coming here, then? What was the point of me coming here? Because I stayed here for you. I'm fucking embarrassed me in front of everyone.

I know you flirted with her. Chas, don't be silly. What's don't be silly? Everyone can back me in the house. No, they haven't actually. Do you want to put... I promise you. They've actually told me. They kept it for it.

I promise you. I brought you here. So you could work on our relationship so we can get back together. And you best me and yourself. Would you like to talk or not? Go on and talk. How dare you?

We came here because you had a dog. because you had a double life, yeah? You're the same thing. I'm serious. I'm literally in the next room and you're flirting with another girl. Is it everything we've been through? Jazz, please do not do you.

I loved you because you had a double life and then you're trying to do double life in the villa. Jazz, please. But I'm in the next room. I'm in the next room and you're chatting to another girl. I only want you, Jazz. There's no one else. I cannot let you go.

What you had to do was keep the shit together for two weeks. I get to strange. Jazz, listen to me. That's a pretty girl that comes around. I'm in the next room. Please don't do this. Like, I promise you, I didn't need to flirt back over it. And then on top of that, oh, if we break up,

I'll message you. I didn't. Oh, me and you can be friends. Why would you want to be friends? What does it mean? You know what that means to her? What does it mean? You gave her hope.

Jazz, okay, cool. You know, that's actually a betrayal. I promise you, how your word in it is totally wrong. Can humiliate me? Can humiliate me. You've embarrassed me. You've embarrassed yourself. That's what you think.

Exactly what I think. When we're finished here, me and you were done. So you're going to fuck off to Newcastle? No, because I want to work on us. That's what I'm here. That's why I stayed. I've done that because I love you. So you're willing to throw everything to me?

You haven't changed. And you're willing to throw everything away. You're done. I'm absolutely done. You'll regret this. You'll regret this. You're an idiot. We don't have to talk again.

We're done. You will regret this. You'll regret this. Me or you? Because you'll never find a man that will try and help you. you as much as I can. No, I find them faithful, man. How about that? I'll never disrespect you. Yeah, right. I honestly wish you the best in life.

Yeah, good luck. You're going to need it. Just remember you through all of this away, jazz, yeah? I wish you the best in life. I loved you with all my heart. Remember that. Okay. The guy's running. He's horrible. He believes his own lies. I think, so I don't understand. Don't get it. There were certain moments where I was incredibly sad, actually, for each of you.

I mentioned one right at the top with Rebecca. early on it really got me. There was a moment with Steph and Dre where she said, you know, you were my best friend. That really broke me. That broke me right there as well, specifically, jazz, when you got emotional. And it was interesting as I noticed that you held it together.

You held back your emotion. And in that moment, you let it go, which I love, by the way. For me, for someone, who is on a cheat retreat does it just like you're on a retreat

because you have cheated to then to then cheat again in front of everyone in front of everybody in front of cameras

in front of camera like you try to light to the camera like it's just so confusing like there's cameras everywhere so I just for me I'm like How do you think he was going to get away with this? What was the end game here?

My mind is blown in the final reckoning. Yeah. For many reasons. But one reason is that you say that you get basically, you got back with Craig after that. After that. You got back with him. Not my proudest man. You had sets with him.

Yep. Can I just find out why? He is good of what he does. He's a pro at least. lying. When I left the show, like I was still, I think I still just had hope, if I'm going to be honest. I think I just had hope that he wasn't actually flirting. It wasn't, like, it was still one-sided. And he'd kind of, he'd called me, we'd spoken after the show, and he basically said that I got manipulated by everybody. The flirting didn't, was just one-sided and everyone

bone out of proportion. So he put it all on Rebecca? If you look on Rebecca, he said that he wasn't seeing her. He said, you know, I could show you essays and essays of kind of messages of him wanting to get back with me and saying everything that I wanted to hear. He said that the show manipulated me. He said that, you know, the people around the show were saying and doing certain things to kind of turn me against him so that we'd have drama for the show. So he, like, every person kind of in that situation, he said that they were lying and that he was the one who was telling the truth. You know, and...

And you believed it. And I did. Well, I was confused. And he wanted us to get back together, but I was like, I can't do this. And so then I ended it from there. So when I went to the reunion, I just thought that, You know, I was just going to let bygones be guy. Bygones, like, I thought it was, I wasn't nervous.

I thought it was going to be hard to see him. And maybe, and obviously hard to find out if he actually had been flirting. But I didn't think that what was about to happen was going to happen at all. So when you then watch the show and you see this, I'd like to know what your response is. Now what happened? So you left the retreat. Then you met up with Craig. Yeah, so we've been texting. Face-timing every day.

And then obviously I went and met up with Craig. We had a date. I said, what's been going on with jazz? Anything he said no. That's what I was taught. So you went over to have a date with Craig? Yes, I came to London, actually. Did anything happen with Craig?

Yeah, we had a great night. Well, I've used to live with him as well. She must have looked at. Wow. Freak! Wow! What did it care? Big, big, big, big, big, thanks.

Oh my God. I mean, you can't say anything, things. No, that is nasty. See, tell us and shut up your roots. You were the most evil, nastiest, lying, manipulative person I've ever met. My lie, bro. I gave you the benefit of that. Wow.

I was over it. I was actually in your corner. Nasty. I love it. There's a lot of judgment on here, but I wasn't with you. You are so nasty. I'm literally in shock. I don't need...

I'm just not sure what kind of game is being played here, because... It's a double life. It's a game a double life. It's what he knows. Well, I'm just not. Okay, the girls were spoken. Let's get some clarity from you, Craig. So after retreat, Jazz reached out.

She said she wants to talk to me, so she came around. I had a lot of feelings for Jazz at that point. It happened. I didn't tell Rebecca. Obviously not. But then what happened after that is jazz came around the next day. We spoke again, and it was concrete that we didn't want nothing together. No, it wasn't.

No, it wasn't. Everything that's coming out of his mouth right now was alive, but go ahead. Craig, what the fuck? I've never said to you again since we've come back that. I wanted to get back with you. He gave me the key to his house. You had a key to my house. Yes, you got a new one.

You gave me a new one. You're lying now. Are you, are you doing serious? You had the key, jazz. I had the key. And you did not do that. You did not do that. No, I didn't.

No, I didn't. Oh, my God. He's literally lying. You're lying now. Absolute scumberg. You are lying. You're lying. You're a hundred percent lying.

You're a hundred percent lying. I'm sorry. Well, let's give Craig a minute. All right. There's several million people that want to know how that happened. It was crazy. So, I mean, just if we go back to that moment, though.

I mean, I think it was a shock to everyone. I mean, I was left in the dog. Jazz was left in the dog. Craig just lied about the whole thing. Yeah, I think I must say, though, you walked in and you were so smug. You could not wait to tell me that you met Craig and you could not wait to tell us that you slept the thing.

And that was so nasty. When we were in a record room, really, like, I felt attacked by you, which is understandable, but you never, like, you were believing Craig and that it was all me, and I was just trying to get across that it takes to a flirt, but then... But realistically, I was a trifling beach,

I was this, I was that, and I was... But then you deserved all that? You did. I think Craig deserved more, but you didn't deserve any less. You both deserved the same. So the only way I messed up is not not being as horrible as I should have to him, but you got exactly what you deserved.

Okay, that's your opinion? Yeah. Okay. And, you know, to then, because I've called you horrible words, because you've gone after my partner that I thought I wanted to. You can see it. No, but you can't see it.

You can see it on the show. You know, no, you can see it on the show, though. Honestly. No, I'm talking about on the show, on the show. You can see it on the show. You're literally like, if she doesn't want you, I love you. Like, you're going after him.

And it wasn't. if she won't help. Yeah, I'll... But then that just shows you kind of what kind of person you want. I can speak. Okay. So, all right, why don't we do this is, Rebecca, why don't you, because you mentioned this when you and I were talking,

there are bits that we didn't see. Yeah. That helped to inform your relationship with Craig. So what were those? And let's listen. He was telling me that he didn't want to get back with jazz and blah, blah, blah, and they're more going into a reckoning room, and it would be the complete opposite.

And then turn him around to jazz and say, saying Rebecca's being really clingy today. No, you were leaving the door open telling us that you were so done with jazz. So I was just acting, just crack an arm quick the way we were. But then we was doing activities and stuff and you saw him doting on me

and saying that he wants to be as me. So why would you not believe that? Why would you be... Because as he said, he was living a double life. He was playing you, playing me, playing the current, playing everyone. If I saw a man doting after another woman and saying, I want to marry this woman, I want to,

and then he comes to me after and is like, and I don't mean any of that, why would that be someone I want to pursue? Why would you want to be with someone who is trying to get to someone else in your face? As soon as I had that date with him and I realised that is not the kind of guy that I want. But this was happening throughout the show.

I feel like you were enjoying the sneakiness. Yeah. Like you knew he was trying with jazz. He was just lying to jazz He was lying to both of us He was lying to everyone Ask anyone on my side of the Tritina coming from a mile off

And they always used to be like Craig Like he was putting it on me And in my opinion I felt a little bit vulnerable Just finding out my boyfriend Had cheated on his And I was getting a bit of attention Of Craig which was just

Flirty Banter at the start And then it became something Like I'll hold me hands up Yeah maybe I should have I should have told you But I feel like it was Craig was coming to make things work with you and he wasn't honest with you. He was just living this double life what he has done

repeated numerous of times clearly. This was before the final reckoning is when he called you to say he left the show for you. As soon as he got his phone back, he rang and said that. And then when I did go meet and meet all his text messages, but obviously again, being a sneaky fox, he's managed to show like without their conversations. You also mentioned Rebecca that after the final He reached out to you again. Just when that final reckoning happened after all that drama, all the explosion, he come up to us and was like, oh, let's take you out for dinner. I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah.

I was like, are you actually okay? Yeah. Absolutely not. No? I would be offended if I was you, the fact that he thought he could do that to you because he knows who could never do that to me. So I would be offended by that. Well, I don't know what made him think that I could, but absolutely not.

When was the last time, Jazz, that you talked to, Craig? The reunion. The reunion. He has reached out. But he has reached out. He sent me, on my birthday, which was a few months after, he sent me a massive bouquet of flowers to my house, a single black rose, which was really weird.

It was one of those roses that lasted for like a year. And he sent me a moon-pig card with pictures of me and saying to the love of my life. And then inside, he wrote like an essay, apologising but not directly apologising for what he'd actually done just being like a really airy flary apology yeah okay okay i know he just wished you a happy birthday yeah but i ignored that okay and you haven't spoken with him no all right so i want you to watch this and tell me what you think of of this okay i mean me connor and craig are pretty tight um i haven't had any hookups from

the show so yeah not me some other people maybe though um i don't know if i should hear that bit it's not my place to say there has been just not me but i'm guessing you can guess who how how do you interpret what you just heard dan say if someone's been hooking up someone's got together not me not me okay I'm innocent. You ever have talked about Craig? All right. Is this not as wild to you as it is to me?

Who is it? No, no. So does this mean that Craig's got with someone else on the show? Dan is... Okay. This is... Oh my God. What?

What? The boy don't rest. Wow. So help me understand who. Who could it be? If it's the case, who could it be? Is it the case? That is wild.

If it is, who could... Like laughing wild, like crazy. Tiga? I'd only go out there. Because the other girls wouldn't? Because Olivia would then Lucia, nah. Steph, no. Rebecca's your friend.

Stuff, yeah, obviously not. Wow. This is one where... Sorry, I have to laugh. It'll be Teague. What? It'll be Teigen. When I saw that clap, I thought, it'll be Tika.

So you know who it is? No. Oh, just love to know. I know same. I feel like we will know suit enough. That being said, we see there's another chair here. Yeah. But I have some news for you.

Craig won't be sitting in that chair. Oh, okay. All right. Craig cannot come today. But let me say he wants to be here. but he cannot be here. I know he will be watching. So I'm curious what you each have to say,

given everything now that you've gone through. Do you have anything to say to him? I learned from my mistakes. I just don't get why he never. Because I believed in it. If you watch the show, they cut out a lot, but I was like rooting for Craig. Yeah.

I kept telling you, like you guys are the strongest, I believed them. You get me, I looked up to him, like, I see this guy's changing. Yeah, and it's all fake. And it's all fake. I think the only regret Craig would actually have is getting caught. I don't think he actually regrets his actions, because I think he loves it. I think he really enjoys it.

He just likes his ego stroked. Yeah. I thought he can't help him. I thought he would have pulled him. You would come to try and, like, get your point across and just lay it straight at it. Do you all feel used by him? Yeah. Do you, Rebecca?

I feel... I'm a little bit embarrassed to tell you the truth. I mean, I fell for the... Fell for it. Obviously, didn't be honest with jazz, didn't be honest with bigs. And then to hear what Dan's just said on there makes you think,

who else was he doing it, right? I don't want to set you up for this and you have the right of denial, but do you feel like you owe jazz an apology? Oh, absolutely, of course. I'm sorry, jazz for not being honest with you. Like, really, like, honestly, because if I put the shoe on the other foot,

like, I would... I wouldn't feel great about it. I'd feel hurt. I'd feel upset about it, do you know what I mean? And the last thing I want is we're both being done over by Craig, you know what I mean? I don't think, I mean, I get it. I'm not going to be your biggest fan.

You're not going to be my biggest fan. But I don't want it to be like that. Yeah, I am. Sorry. Yeah, I accept your apology. Let's try find a guy like me. You got me. You got on the show too. You know what I was fun, okay?

I personally didn't know that this show would get the reception that it's getting. I mean, right now, as we're filming this, it's top 10 and 20. six countries. 26. 26 countries around the world, United States. I'm most happy about Jamaica. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I love that. I love that. Jay is watching. I've actually had some messages from Jamaica as well. I'm like, okay. Look at that. Look at that. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a global hit.

And so knowing that the, the world has eyes on this, what's your almost, what's your response to the world? I hope people are. watching it and they can see themselves in everyone, you get me, like there'll be guys watching and thinking, oh, I'm exactly like Big Sister way I used to be

and I want to change. You get me. So I would say just to the women out there that are going through similar situations, stay strong and just always remember your morals, your values and don't sell for less.

What did you learn? Well, I think for me, you know, two wrongs don't right like finding out being cheated on and then also me keeping a secret from another woman who I should have maybe to have been honest with and also believe in lies like you don't I didn't see past those lies when it was their first time right in front of my face like how could I have been so so stupid to even go along with it to be honest you know like the last thing I want to be is the villain, do you know what I mean?

Yeah. And you know, Rebecca, I'm glad that you're here too. You know. Because I didn't even want to comb. No? Nah. And I could see that there's been a, you know, there's an acceptance happening among the three of you.

And that, to me, is the most important for us. Yeah. So I'm thankful. Now, that being said, Biggs, we're going to lose you. All right. So Rebecca, jazz, if it's okay, I'd love to keep you for a little bit longer. That's okay.

All right. Biggs, thank you so much, man. Thank you. A safe thank you to you. Yeah. Love. Safe flights. All right.

Look at this. All right, I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Have a safe flight. Take care, okay. See you. Take care. It's progress.

I like, yeah, that's progress. Yeah. All right. All right. So Rebecca, Jazz, before we bring in Olivia and Liam, I'd love to keep you here for a little bit. Is that okay? This conversation is not just about the show, but it's about infidelity. Because I will say, looking at the comments, what's interesting is I've noticed what I feel is a disproportionate number of comments on with regard to Rebecca, right? versus the guys in the show, right? The double standard, though, to me, feels like it exists in society.

And when I see women who have cheated in heterosexual relationships, women who have cheated, to me, it feels like they're ostracized more. And when I look through history, it seems like this has been, this has always been the case. So what's your take on that idea? I think people just assume, like, because women are much more emotional being, that there's more emotion behind it,

so it's more malicious. Whereas, you know, with men, if they have that excuse, like, oh, well, men will be men. They have a higher sex drive. They can't help themselves. Whereas, yeah, whereas women... As a woman, does it?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Right. Why would she do that? Yeah. Right. Right. Right. So, yeah, I do think women

are judged differently to men if a woman cheats. I'm with you. But I've heard more of, men cheating than I have of women. Yeah. So I think that's where that comes from as well. So it's more of a shock when a woman does it. Interesting. What about, can we talk about social media? Okay. All right. So this is a stat that blew my mind. In the UK, 45% of divorces involved some element of inappropriate behavior online, mainly through WhatsApp and Instagram.

So what do you feel like you learned maybe in the retreat, even outside, around social media and infidelity? I think it just makes everything a bit easier and people are more accessible. You know, like you can be sitting on your sofa watching TV and you have access to a beautiful woman or a hot guy and you can just be in the comfort of your own home, finding new people to talk to. And some people actually don't post their partner on the social So that's true They're able to do it Yeah that's true

Which is This is what happened with Liam and Olivia You know, he wasn't posting Not happening on the socials people are going to think Yeah Single Yeah Yeah

Yeah But in the same private life's a happy life So Yeah Yeah yeah I mean you know I think it's like it's a fine line Like, I'm pretty sure you have a lot of women in your DMs trying to, you know, you're handsome guy.

I've had a lot of guys. Oh, okay. Or plot twist. You know, can I say this? This is wild. I've never said this. I don't think I've ever said this, but this is wild. Is the first, like, nude photo I had was a dick pick.

No way. That was the first. That was my first. That was my first. first introduction to it. Yeah, I was like, okay. Okay, I see, okay. But, you know, that actually makes me think is that since the show has aired, have you

received some sliders, some folks who have slid in? Not as many as I'd like. I'm single now. But you've had at least one. Yeah, you can. Okay. What did they hit you with? What was there? It was a nice, cute message. It was like a picture where I looked absolutely hideous on the show. It was like a screenshot. But they said I looked really pretty. I'm like, oh.

Rebecca. I've had messages from men like, you need a real man in your life. What were you thinking were these, like, loads of crazy messages like that? And then I have had some messages saying, like, about the way that the show is when and how I've handled it. I handled myself well, finding out what I did. And then obviously some disgusting messages, actually, like awful messages. I just delete it, but yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I always think, like, how, you know, how miserable is someone to sit there and type out, like, how, like, how, how, how miserable. over many words and specifically find you and then send you that message. Yeah. Like, it's just the highest level of being unkind. And I just, you know, I almost feel sorry for them because I think you must be so unhappy to have to be firing all this negativity at me. Like, I get it, have your opinion, but some of the comments that people make is unnecessary, you know?

Yeah. Everyone can have their opinion. Yeah. We're sat now all having our opinions. Yeah. But we're not being nasty to one another. Yeah, I agree. We're still being human beings at the end of the day.

Yes, yes, I agree. I agree. So before we wrap up here, what was it, I mean, not to pry on to gritty details, but what was it about that date where the next day? We actually just had a great date. And like I say, we spoke every day beforehand. Like, it was.

was going in a direction where like I thought it was actually going to be something but until I spent that one on one time no one around us and the next day when I went home and would communicate a little bit and it's like when you're next coming back and I was just like nah this just all just wasn't

setting right anymore okay so I'm just being nosy so what actually happened on that day that put you off so much I think the conversations we had were didn't align in the and the retreat you know it was flirty band, whatever, a bit exciting,

and then, we had a good date, we had a good date, but the conversations, and I thought the distance and stuff, like, it just was never going to work. Okay, okay, yeah. And I think the saying, like,

showing his messages and stuff, like, between him and a, him and jazz, like, what you're trying to, like, show me messages of their relationship, that was your relationship with them, like, together. Right.

Why do you want to, like, I don't know, I just found it all a bit. Oh, interesting. So he was showing you messages between him and jazz on the date. Like, I can't prove a point, but I'm like, you was together at some point and you loved each other, like, I don't... I've been so manipulative.

Basically, it was after I told him, I can't do this anymore. And, like, he'd obviously wanted us to be together. And I would, like, message him, like, I just, because obviously I still cared, I'd just dumped the boy kind of thing. And I'd, and he, I'd message him, him and then he would just like it, like the message, or he'd call me.

Oh, my gosh. So you're saying he was doing it intentionally so that he almost knew he was going to show it to somebody. Like, he's already thought this through beforehand. Yeah. And then when he wasn't like getting, like, responding or just liking it, I thought, oh, he's really upset. He's not taking this well.

But actually, he was setting himself up to show you later. And when he showed you, he said, what, like, look at how. look, it's not me. It's jazz. But I, like, I was... Oh, my God. I didn't want to read messages

between Craig and jazz. I was just like, no, like, whatever. That's between news, too. But literally, in the day after the reunion, I sent every single screenshot of our conversations, the key. The him, like, sending me essays

and so our futures together, I put that straight into the group chat. The team rose at group chat. Never. understood the thought process behind it all. You know what I also think too is think of how much time and effort and energy is going in to doing all of this versus you could put that into another passion in your life. I think this is his passion.

Cheating is his passion, yeah. I think that's what he loves. He's doing what he loves. I genuinely believe that. I just add. Jeez, geez, okay. I want to know who this person is. Dan's on about this that I want to know.

Man, I want to know too. Do you have your phone on you right now? Yeah. Can you call them? And call Dan? Seriously, right here. This will be epic. Yeah.

Can you? Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Right. Hi Dan, it's Rebecca. How you doing alright? Yeah, yeah, I'm good at you. Yeah, what's going on? I'm just on the podcast with Paul, Paul, Paul, we need to talk. And we have just watched your video that you sent.

Right. And we're all just curious as to who the person is. Oh, I don't know. Just trying to steer the pot. I can't wait to watch the pot. You have. All right, Dan. We'll see you, man.

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There's she. There she is. There she is. Come on. Good to see it. It's so good to see you. So nice. Thank you.

You look amazing. Yeah. It's so cute. Oh, you look gorgeous. You present well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Yes. You're really stunning. All the thing. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. So welcome. This is my home away from home. And what I didn't realize was how close the two of you were.

And that's the reason why I love for jazz to stay with us for a little while. Now, if we can, Olivia, I would say that your relationship with Liam is one of the most talked about topics on this show. So I'd love for us to be able to unpack it all. Okay. And if we could, let's start with the fact that you, you and Liam were in a relationship for 10 years prior to the show. Yes. What do you believe kept you coming back those 10 years?

What do you think it was? For me, I think it was love. Like, and not only that, I just feel like, Liam has such a big heart and that's the only thing that really kind of kept me going back because I know he's not a bad person he makes mistakes I feel like everyone makes mistakes

but I feel like it doesn't define him and that's why I kept going back you think inspired him to do it because you know I think a big question that comes up I see the social media is why would you come on a show like this so what do you think inspired him to want to come on.

I think he just wanted to be better and I feel like he wanted the guidance to make him better in a relationship. Do you think he could have come on if he knew about the text messages? Yeah, I think so. All right. On that note, let's show that clip.

Oh, okay. I've noticed that this is one of the most played clips and commented clips. So let's take a look and then let's unpack it. Okay? Do you know this girl? No. You don't know her?

No. You slept with her? And apparently you messaged her after as well, and she didn't reply to you. I have no clue what that is. No idea what I'm talking about you? My best friend went on a night out with this girl. She said that she slept with Liam, and me and him were together. Please.

If you have done this to me, be open and honest, like this is the place for it. This is the only way we can move forward. Please. That's bullshit. That's serious. Yeah, I'm going to be so hard. Watching that. That's serious.

Olivia, in that moment, if you can go back to that moment, which I know when you see clips like that, you probably start to get the same feelings that you had. Yes. You know, what were those feelings? What was going on for you in that moment? I feel like it was like confusion. I was confused.

Did you doubt yourself at all? And did you believe the tears? I did believe the tears. I've never seen Liam cry. We've been put in, like, hard situations. We've had conversations in the pastes, never cried. So that was a massive shock to me. And, like, knowing that I was going to, like, pull out the phone on him and say,

look, I've got evidence. I almost felt not guilty, but I just felt, I've never had these emotions before. So I'm like, I just didn't know how to be in that moment. From my opinion, observing that, that was textbook gaslighting. And the reason why is because what was being said we now know was true. It was true. But there was a denial and not just a denial, but then an effort to make you feel confused,

to make you doubt yourself, to make you doubt the evidence. Gaslighting is designed so that the offender can create enough confusion so that their offence isn't noticed. When you look at that now, do you believe that was gaslighting? Yeah, I do see how it was like kind of gaslighting, I guess, yeah. When we went out and asked for questions from viewers, Olivia, you got the most questions out of everyone. And so I want to go through, and let's just discuss some of these, okay, openly and honestly.

Most popular question, can you hand on heart say that you trust Liam now? No. Just because I feel like I can't fully trust him right now because we're still building the trust. So I guess like I do trust him in some sort of sense because he's taking the time out to like make sure that I feel a certain way with everything. However, I don't fully,

fully trust him yet. Yeah. Do you love him? Yes. Okay. So honest question, how can you love someone that you do not trust? I feel like for me, I know hand on heart that I love Liam with all my heart. I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

And I feel like in relationships, I feel like you can build trust. As long as you're both choosing each other and you're both willing to put the work in, of course. Like, I feel like you can build the trust back up. The last time I saw just you and Liam, we were in good old South London.

And you were telling me about how friends and family at that time Yes. Had not been supportive of Liam. Yes. So has that changed? Yes, massively. Okay, how so? Like before, we had very separate lives when it comes to friends.

And now we've kind of like all come together. And he now comes to events with all my friends and stuff. So I feel like they're getting to know him better. We've obviously had tough conversations with both of our friends and families. But I feel like it kind of made it easier, especially for like, us kind of stepping into our new journey together because we needed that support as well. Okay. When I look at the comments on the show, what I feel like there's a lot of comments around your relationship, Olivia and Liam, your relationship. Have you seen these? Yes. Okay. So what is it

that you're seeing? And what's your opinion on that? I feel like everyone is just taking the situation and running with it. I get it. People are overprotective me and they've seen things they're like, Olivia, like, come on. But I'm choosing him. And it's really hard to see people judge him

when they don't actually know him. So what are those comments that you're seeing that's making you feel overprotective of him? I feel like, you know, people saying that they hate him, they think he's the worst person in the world. He doesn't deserve me You know I'm 10 out of 10 and he's like three

Like that's really hard to kind of see Enough, fair enough So This is probably the best time to bring Liam in Definitely Okay Just bring him in Just bring him in

Sorry No no no no We don't do that You do you do? Yeah I'm good, yeah Spitting nervous as always Yeah Sorry sorry

Yeah We're at pace now Let's not Let's come, baby Lovely, girl I know I'm up in the career

man Liam, Liam, welcome welcome I know you said you feel a little nervous I think it's fair to unpack

why why you feel nervous in this moment Um you know it's been a lot and seeing you again you know

like when you fall emotions and stuff it's just but I'm good Yeah Well I'll tell you what mate You're in a safe spot I mean there are definitely

Topics that I think are challenging You know anyone who's watching a program Has is they don't see Every second or every minute of what's happening They get little snippets along the way Basically it's a highlight reel Right When we're going through this process

I was seeing you all In trying to engage as much as I could but I also was thinking about the audience's perception of each of you. So to everyone watching the entire series and says, you know what, I still don't believe this guy. What's your response? Well, it's the growth that I see, even though that not everything was shown, I just know that where I was at each point.

There's a lot of things that wasn't unpacked in the show and a lot of things that we've been through personally. So I feel like at the end, even when I looked at it, when I looked at her, when you see the way we look at each other, there's not nothing to act. You can see the love in our eyes. You can see where we was at. I would like to think the viewers could see that was authentic, you know?

I don't know if that answers your question. It does. It does. What's been your feeling around the impact of the show? and the response that the show was at. Obviously, of course, I'm proud, like, in a sense of being a part of something that was so intimate and personal to my life and her life. But it's also good to see that you can come back from a bad situation and make it good. And I feel like I learned a lot about myself going through that journey.

So what would you say your top lesson or lessons have been through the retreat? transparency be just don't don't willy-nilly as they say or go around it just be direct now Liam we ask the audience for questions you have many questions oh yeah I bet I did too don't worry yeah you have a lot of questions he's a lot of questions this is one of the top questions I'm going to play a clip and then have you answer the question yeah okay all right So let's play the clip here. Like be honest with me and tell me. Just want to know, like, the truth.

It's easy for everybody to say, yeah, you should know, you should know. It was one of them things where it was a drunken night out and I don't really recall it. I am guilty of it, yeah. The question that has come up time and time again is, Liam, in that moment, did you truly not remember having cheated? I want to know this very much, actually. I think what's important to first addresses where I was at, like, in my life. So that year in particular, like, I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't have survived if it wasn't for her that year.

And that's what makes it worse because I buried 12 people that year. and had issues, like drinking a little bit, you know, and I made some bad decisions. And there was times when I would drink too much. And I would, like, kind of try to erase the mistakes I made. So it was like, I would drink and then I'd be like, wake up next day, like, you know, nothing happened. and it's not right and it's not good and there's no excuse for it that's the main thing, there's no excuse for it

but of course I know and I understand that that must have been so hurtful for her to watch because of course nobody has a sexual interaction with someone and completely erases that so if I'm honest in the sense of

what was seen there is of course I recall it so yeah I just want to say to you now, like, I really do. Like, from the bottom of my heart, apologize for that because there's no excuse in every man

that has, do something like that has to be man enough to admit that and not go around around, around the roundabouts, you know? So I just want to let you know, like, of course, I didn't mean to do that. I hurt you like that. Thank you. Well, one is thank you for that,

right? Two is I find that cheating, a lot of cheating does occur when we're going through traumatic events in our life. And there's various reasons for it, but a lot of it does occur. But the third thing, this is very important, especially as it comes to healing, is that when your partner is asking the questions, you have to give them all the answers. And if they want to know, it's important to tell them, even though you feel like it's actually placing you on a back front.

But you've made this a big step by saying this. And that answers a lot of the questions I think that folks had, you know. So thank you for that. All right. So let's go through some more questions. All right. And everyone can respond on these questions. Liam, would you have ever told the truth independently if you didn't get found out?

If you asked that version of me back then, I'd say I probably would have lied. And that is, that's honest because if, if we ain't going to lay it all out now, the same thing you say now, we can't move forward. Right. So that's like, I would say yes to that. I would have lied. That's real talk. That's real talk. This is a whole new Liam right here. This is what happens when you know that you can lose a diamond, you know, and that's, I feel like I can't, I can't do that again. Yeah.

I've really caught. Man, you know what? That's so real. That hit me when you said that. Because one thing that I joke about all the time is I know more single women than anybody in the world. This is my joke, right? And I say this is the truth. It's because, you know, I had a matchmaking agency.

So it was part of my profession. Also, the industry that I'm in. So my joke is there's nobody that knows more single women who are looking for somebody, right? So then people will say, well, Paul, like, so how does that work with your relationship? Like, that doesn't make sense. And I say, you know, I've got the best thing that's ever happened to me at home. Why would I risk that? For anything in the world, why would I risk that?

I wouldn't. I'd be crazy. I'd be crazy. So the way, how you just said that, I know you're in the zone. Don't always like to be out of the zone, though. Yeah, yeah, never get out the zone. I never got so. All right. I do have a surprise for both of you.

Celine has sent us in a video message. And you let me know what your thoughts are. Me and Olivia are no longer friends, which has been very, very difficult. I'm grieving someone that just doesn't want to be my friend anymore. I'm very hurt with the way it's kind of been handled. No message since the show's come out. she's really

you know I'm being portrayed as a bad friend and that's what I'm upset about because I'm not a bad friend was a very good friend and I've come out there and kind of

you know he's the one that's cheated on you and I've backed your corner and gone what are you doing and I think you know he's now told her that if they're to stay together she can't be my friend that's what I think it's coming from

I could be wrong I think he's a bad person I think he's bad I think he will cheat all the time. I think I'm more, I'm very rolled up. Now I've watched the show and I've seen the way he denied it and then, you know, he did go, oh yeah, okay, I did do it. That's who you are. That's, that's what, that's the, that's you. That's you. And the audacity he had to create a narrative of the kind of person I am, that I'm the one that has a bad rap or bad track record, whatever he said.

think, who are you talking to? Unreal. Wow. What does? What did she make that? What did she make there? It's like the Celine show. Crazy.

When she's when that camera comes on, the woman, I understand that, of course, I've not been the best man and she has all the rights in the world to be angry. But she's never ever said anything to me for 10 years. She never pulled me up once. never said how she felt, never told me her concerns. Because as a best friend, you pull somebody up,

you talk to them if you feel like they're not treating your best friend right. You don't see me in the club and say, Hi Liam, give me hugs every time you see me. Can you get me a drink, please? And sometimes it is awkward, though, because with you and Olivia, you go through your bad stages and then you always get back together. So to be a friend and navigate that, it's hard

because she's going to go to you, have a go at you, there's going to be loads of animosity, you're going to be in a really bad place, and then she's going to get a phone call from Olivia the next week, like, oh, we've actually made up, but you've just had a shouting match in the middle of the club. I understand it, but the girls, as you can tell, she's not shy of words.

And in that moment, I needed her the most. I needed her support, and I didn't have it at all. She made it about herself. I asked her in the question. Sure. Because I haven't had an update unless I was while ago, I go, did Olivia come over for Christmas? because I think that was a massive issue on the show.

Did you come around Christmas? Christmas Eve, yeah. Yeah, Christmas Day was a bit sticking. Yeah, we couldn't make it happen on Christmas Day this year, but we spent Christmas Eve together, don't we? And that was like, that was really nice. And New Year's Eve. Yeah, and New Year's Eve.

Just like coming into the New Year, like, together, that was really special. Yeah. You know, there was times where Liam would need his space, for example, because I'll be too clingy. be like, no, I don't want to do this with my friends. I would rather do it with you. And now I found, you know, I found like a new source of life, I guess. And that's thanks to you, Paul.

And I think, yeah, honestly. And, like, I'm so grateful to have had this experience, especially with everyone involved, like you jazz as well. Thank you for having my back all the time. And thank you for choosing me every day and, like, us, you know, resolving everything and like you're being patient with me and give me the room to express myself like I really appreciate it so yeah yeah thank you baby but don't look like that doesn't mean it's easy all right yeah I see chats go get all right you said enough nice things now chill out

but that that was lovely that was lovely Olivia I think this is this has been you know when you look back throughout your life there's certain moments that you know you'll never get. This is one of those. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And that's it for the reunion of cheat on finished business. The first thing I have to say is thank you to the cast for presenting their vulnerability and their honesty. And thank you to you for watching the show and making it a top 10 trending show in over 26 countries around the world. And last but not least, if you have not yet watched cheat on finished business, I encourage you to do so. You will be entertained and you just might learn a thing or two.

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