We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - "I've Reversed My BBL!" We're Talking Cosmetic Surgery
Episode Date: March 12, 2026Chloe Ferry opens up about the reality behind her cosmetic surgery journey - from breast implants and a BBL to the pressure that drove her to keep changing her appearance. She reflects on body image, ...social media scrutiny, and the toll chasing perfection took on her mental health. Now reversing procedures and focusing on therapy and self-love, Chloe shares why she’s determined to rediscover who she really is. We're Talking Cosmetic Surgery Sponsored by: Saily - Download from the app store and use code WNTT at checkout for 15% off. For more details: https://saily.com/wntt ⛵ (00:00) Intro (00:40) Chloe Takes Paul Through the Cosmetic Procedures She's Done (02:25) The Danger of BBLs (04:55) How Did Chloe Feel After Each Procedure? (07:35) When Did Chloe Decide She Wanted to Reverse Her BBL? (10:20) Does Chloe Feel Comfortable in Herself? (12:00) Saily Ad (15:22) How Does Chloe Feel About the Way She Looks Now? (17:14) How Chloe Is Changing What She Puts Out on Social Media (23:21) How Chloe Feels About Her Influence on Young Women Through Geordie Shore (26:38) Does Chloe Have Any Other Surgeries Planned? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Welcome to We're Talking.
In this honest conversation, Chloe Ferry opens up about her journey with cosmetic surgery,
discussing everything from breast implants to BBLs and the emotional toll of constantly chasing perfection.
This week, we're talking cosmetic surgery.
You know, can we talk about the surgeries?
Yes.
You've been open about the surgeries.
And this is one where I think it's incredibly important because we're,
We're seeing a massive increase in the amount of surgeries that everyone's getting,
but in particular young women are getting because we see the averages roughly between the ages of 19 and 40.
So at 19.
That's how old I was, 19.
All right.
So what, and I have a list of these.
The first you mentioned is there were comments around breasts.
So you thought, okay, I'm going to get breast implants.
So immediately you went out.
I got like an uplift.
Okay.
It got an uplift because obviously people were saying that my boobs was saggy.
Okay.
So you got that.
Then you, then there's more comments coming in.
More comments, yeah.
And it was just constantly about me looks.
And this is like the society that we're living because it was never good.
Never you've got a nice heart or you're beautiful.
It was always negative about my appearance.
Yes.
So then from there, rhinoplasty.
Yeah.
Nosejob.
Liposuction.
So like a BBL.
So a BBL is basically fat transfer
where they take the fat from your stomach
and put it in your bum
because I used to always get told
that I had like a flat bum.
And like if you think that I woke up
and thought that I looked good
and I was happy about my decisions,
I was never.
It was like, surgery is like such a dark hole
and this is why I want to like make people away
especially if you're young.
Like please, please think about getting surgery
because like you'll end up like me.
Like I want to go back to that girl,
that picture.
I would literally give all my money now
in my bank just to be that girl again
because it is just such a dark hole surgery.
Now, who was I doing it in press?
These people that I'm never going to meet.
These people aren't paying me bills
and it wasn't making me happy.
And then also the danger of it.
So let's look at BBLs for a second
because the cost, okay,
the cost for a BBL in the UK
averages around 7,500 pounds.
But in Turkey,
2,600 pounds.
However, the risk of death in BBL surgery
is 10 times higher than other cosmetic surgeries.
So you think about how incredibly dangerous it is.
So what exactly is a BBL?
And why do you think it's so dangerous?
I didn't go into, like, when I was getting this work done,
I didn't think about like how dangerous it was.
I think I was just in such a negative mindset about myself
that at this point, because I was looking for perfection in myself,
and all these comments were getting to ways,
I would have went to any extreme to make myself feel better.
So I didn't actually think as a young girl that the dangers of how bad it can be.
Like it can be life-threatening.
But at this age and this sort of mindset that I was in,
I did not care because I was just had so much, like, my self-esteem.
I just wanted, like, all these comments to go away.
And I thought that getting all this work done to improve myself.
would actually help it,
but in fact it made it a lot worse for us.
All right.
So what is the procedure?
Because you said it's removal of...
So they remove the fat,
and then any fat that they've got,
they put it in your bum and, like, your hips
to give you that, like, hour glass figure.
Okay.
And I was never, I was always petite.
I had such a petite frame.
All right.
So when you got your BBL,
did you say, okay, I wanted to look like this
or this person over here,
or you just said, Dr.
Just do it, yeah, just do it.
I wasn't even thinking.
I just, I didn't even see I want to,
it's, I just said, just do it.
That's all it was.
I didn't have time to think
because I was in such a, like, a bad frame of mind
that I just wanted, just do it.
Just make us look perfect.
I want to be perfect.
Okay.
But I never felt perfect.
I never, I look,
I would look in the mirror and think,
eh, I feel like,
I actually used to get told off my friends
and my family, you've got body to smoke for you.
And I was like, not, I want more,
I want more things done.
All right.
And then you continued to get more.
So at least on here, so lip fillers, dermal cheek fillers, veneers.
Yeah.
So every time you're doing a procedure, you're just saying, doctor, get this done.
You get it done, you look in the mirror and you think what?
Why have I done it?
I don't feel better.
You never feel better out of it from any.
of those procedures.
No.
Just thought it's still ugly.
Still was, so I'd look in the mirror
and say, well, that's next.
I was pinpointing stuff about myself.
And I never, like, before I got on TV,
I never, ever did that.
I had so much self-love.
I thought I was going,
I thought I was giving God, I shouldn't.
Wow.
So what about, let's look at your Instagram,
for example.
Because your Instagram,
at one point, it's full of shots of body shot.
Yeah.
You, you know,
I was living it up, yeah.
Throwing the butt out, you know.
So when you look at those photos, what do you think?
Not confident at all.
Not at all.
Not one bit of confidence.
And that's why you should never judge a book by you to cover
because you never actually know what someone's actually going through.
See, I never would have thought that.
Never, never.
I was going through it.
Like, I hated myself.
Never felt pretty.
No self-esteem at all.
And that's why I've started to be a lot more transseeing.
parent on my Instagram about obviously
surgeries and like all the lumps and bumps
and bumps were happening with my body and like
I feel like now because I'm entering this new era
and I'm on this journey like beauty comes
within and I've realized that it does not
matter what you look like at all
and that's why I'm just doing like so
much to myself and self-love because I just want to
be I want to feel normal again
that I'm so far away from where
I want to be to that picture that you
showed is but I know I'm going to get there
yes yes going back to the beauty
see I never
ever would have thought that you were not proud of at least the BBL.
No.
I felt like that was like that was part of what you were known for.
And when I look at the press, typically this is what you see on the presses.
You'll see you'll see you in, you know, a bikini, etc.
So there is, you're saying there is no point where you felt comfortable, happy
with any of those procedures?
The BBL was definitely the biggest mistake
out of all the surgeries that I got.
The biggest mistake.
And why is that?
Just I looked like I didn't look normal.
I didn't look.
Everything was just, I just,
my body shape wasn't me.
That's what made us look totally different
was my BBL.
And I was known for,
I don't want to be known for having a big ass.
I don't want to be known for a BBL.
I want to be known for like Chloe being like amazing
and down to worth
and having a good heart.
I don't be known for having a big ass.
Okay.
So now at what point do you decide
that you want to reverse the BBL?
When I was looking in the mirror
and I just thought, like, I don't know who you are anymore.
I don't know who you are.
You're nothing like the girl
that first walked in that Jory Showhouse.
And like, and like I said,
it's my final years of being in my 20s
and I really want to just be back to my normal self.
I think like self-love
starting by loving yourself
and looking in the mirror I didn't.
Okay.
Right.
Because this isn't me.
Like, my breast, my bum doesn't define who I am.
And I think a constant reminder every day, you look in the mirror, don't you?
Every day, that's just there.
Yes.
So every day you're looking at yourself in the mirror.
Now, what about the risk?
Because we just talked about the risk of having a BBL done 10 times higher than the average cosmetic surgery.
So having a reversal of it is also extremely dangerous.
So did you contemplate that?
Did you think about the risk?
Yeah, obviously I thought about the risk,
but the person, I did a lot of research.
Like the doctor that I went to is done so many.
And a lot of people that have come from Turkey
and who've had botched jobs.
So obviously I did think about it for a very, very long time.
And the main thing that I did,
I sat with me thoughts, which I want to get across.
Like if any younger girls are thinking about getting surgery,
don't just go ahead with it.
Don't just straightway go.
Like, think sit with your thoughts,
talk to your friends, talk to your family,
do your research.
search, that's the main thing. And so when I did finally come to the decision, I just know this is,
this is like on the path. This is where I want to go. This is the journey that I'm, this is like
the start of it. Yes. So you decide to get it done. Do you, are, are you all thinking what the
impact is going to be? Well, I wasn't even going to go public about it, to be honest, because
some people were saying go public and some people said, like, don't. But I've, what I love about
myself is that I've always been very transparent with my audience. So like, a lot of people in the
public eye, like if they get something done, they don't ever, like, tell anyone about, sorry,
excuse me. So a lot of people who in the public eye don't really, like, tell about it.
But I thought, to be honest, like, I've always had, like, I've always been transparent with my
audience, and I thought, I feel like this will open a new kind of worms for it.
So I'm going to like, look, I've made a mistake, I hold my hands up, I'm getting it
reversed and I want to just go back to be normal, like, surgery isn't everything.
Like, I think, like, a lot of people search for clarification and search of beauty in surgery
when beauty actually generally comes within.
Yes, it does.
It does.
A hundred percent, it does.
It does.
Like your aura, like your energy, like your personality.
Like that's where your beauty comes from.
Yes.
I also think what's very important,
and this is more so about self-esteem.
And I see this is where you're moving,
is that you no longer need external validation.
Right.
So the moment that you realize,
I'm comfortable in who I am,
and I'm comfortable in all.
other people being uncomfortable with who I am.
And that I'm okay with.
And if I'm okay with that,
typically means I have a higher self-esteem.
Yeah.
And it seems like you're moving to a place
where you are comfortable with people
being uncomfortable with who you are.
Yeah, yeah, and that's where I want to get.
I feel like I'm such a people-pleaser
and I have been for a very, very long time.
I feel uncomfortable in certain situations and stuff.
And like, that's the main thing that I want to achieve.
Yes.
but you're achieving it
and I think this journey that you're on
do you realize how many
how proud
people who love you are
about this journey that you're on
no yeah I've actually been reading some of the comments
and everyone's been lovely I think everyone's just like
basically be everyone's been saying
like thank you for being so honest
like because a lot of people struggle with
obviously like self-esteem mental health
and I think it's so good that I can actually
be transparent with my audience and people
be like good because I'm just so you're
to be getting negative and how ugly I am, how much surgery.
So it's actually so refreshing and nice to actually have people be like,
Chloe, like, this is amazing.
We love this vulnerable side, which I've hit for so long because I've had a mask on.
For so long, I've been trying to chase, like, this person who I'm not for so long now.
So, like, it's like, fuck, I'm starting to be comfortable, like, in your own skin.
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description. For me
now that I'm older
and I've been through it all with
flux and surgery and hair and lashes
and nails, I think the main thing,
I think beauty, which I think needs to be
more established now, especially that everyone's
coming to influence as beauty comes within
and it shouldn't be about what someone looks like
especially when you get older. Like I don't care
at all. Like I have, like take
me as an example, I have been through
it all to try and look this perfection
state and now all I want to do,
is go back to that young girl.
So surely if I'm not an example, I don't know who is.
Like, and I think if you are feeling a certain type of way
about yourself, try and work on it rather than straight away
going to surgery, because if I could go through this again
and be young, I wish I had someone saying,
work on yourself, please, don't just do this, you're beautiful.
But at that time, like mental health and psychs and stuff
wasn't really a massive, massive thing.
So if I could turn back time, I wish I had someone there
and just kept the normal mate,
because I feel like now I would have been,
in a lot of a different mindset
because now I've spent most of my 20s
chasing someone that I'm not,
trying to look for this,
look at this, who is this girl?
Do you know what I mean?
Now I've got to spend ages working on myself.
Obviously I know it's a good thing
because I'm gonna find me 100% myself,
but I've wasted all of my 20s,
chasing this perfection girl
who I don't even know to fit other people's standards.
So I've wasted my life essentially.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I have, yeah, because I have,
because I've been getting so much stuff done
to make it look like who I wasn't born to be.
Like, who does that?
With me, of course.
I've done it.
But I want to erase it now.
Just so I can just be myself.
That's all I want.
Yeah.
Yeah, so then you're 30s, this is why you're like, 30s is your time.
It's my, that is my time.
Watch the globe on.
Watch my globe.
I am going to be the best version of myself.
And that's all I want to be.
Because, like, Paul, I've got such an amazing,
I never rape myself, but I know for a fine fact I've got a good personality
and I've got a good heart and I can make anyone laugh.
Like, I just want to be funny old Chloe, who doesn't care what she looks like,
because that's where my happiness is, is making people laugh.
All right, so Chloe, you say you have a great personality.
I am a bit funny, I know, yeah.
Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
So if you are rating your personality, what do you rate your personality?
I'd say 10 out of 10 if I'm on it.
No, no one's a 10, actually, let's be fair.
I'd say 8.5.
8.5?
Yeah, I know that I'm a good energy to be around when I'm at my best.
All right, so this one will be harder for you.
How do you think you look?
I'd say 5.
Say 5 out of 10 at the minute, yeah.
I don't feel the best today.
You think you were a five out of ten?
Yeah, I think that's quite fair.
Halfway.
Are you serious?
No, I'd say about a five.
I'll say five.
I'll say five. Five point seven.
Okay.
Is that up or down from how you felt last year?
Yeah, it's God, last year I'd say about a three.
But you would never know, wouldn't have never known that
because I feel like when I'm putting these sexy pictures
and stuff around social media, I'm doing bikini pictures.
Maybe that's just a cover up.
Maybe that's a cover, maybe that's trying to, like,
show the audience or my social media followers
like pretending that, like, this is the perfect girl.
I don't know, that's something that I'm trying to figure out
because you, like you've said,
you would have actually never known that I felt like this.
No.
Like, if you look on my Instagram,
you would think I'm the most confident person ever,
but I wasn't.
I used to, like, if you look at it as filming and stuff,
like I'll always cover up,
like I'll cover my bomb and stuff like that.
But if I'm on Instagram, I can hide it
because I can stretch out,
I can get the best,
and stuff like they're like trying hide my bumps,
my lumps, my salulite, my back fat.
And now I'm like, I'm getting at the point now
where posting the picture of my salulite now,
getting my bum reduced is like going in the right step
of being me.
Yes.
Because I don't care.
So I'm bothered about someone saying a bit of back fat
or I'm bothered about someone saying a bit of salivite.
What?
Yes.
Why?
Yeah.
That's why I think what you're doing is so courageous
and important because you're normalizing normal bodies.
or, you know, cellulite, you're, you know, back fat, etc.
So as you think about even how you manage your social media,
I'm changing it.
It's all starting to change now.
Okay.
How so?
My post.
So like I'm posting now more realistic posts.
So like I opened up the other day about, I wasn't going to do it.
I was really apprehensive.
Like I said, going back, I get nervous about being honest because I just, I don't want
to have backlash because I don't want to go back to a dark, dark place again.
But I thought, you know what it is.
is I'm gonna just be transparent with my audience.
So one thing about me is like I'm very honest
with stuff like this, so I thought I'm gonna do it
and I've had a really good response.
So I thought I'm gonna just start,
like to start loving myself again,
show people what I feel a bit unconfident about.
Like obviously my saliolite and stuff like that.
So I post that yesterday and I feel better.
I would always hide.
I always edit my pictures, I'd smooth out my skin.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, all the time.
I always getting an angle where like I'm stretched out like that
just so like I look like long and slim.
But now it's just like I'm gonna start posting
like organic content and not giving the fuck about getting on face,
that face true, make me waste smaller.
Did you do that?
Yeah?
Really?
Yeah, yesterday.
This is a correct.
What percentage of, you know,
celebs do you think are doing this?
I think not even about just celebs,
I think the full of, I think even younger girls
as young as 15, 16, 17, and even doing this now.
Is there, so this is just, this is terrible, right?
This is terrible.
No, yeah, yeah, it is, because it's like,
you put, you posting it and like,
yeah, you might think it looks good,
but deep down, that's not you.
Right.
So this is what I'm thinking,
like the right step in the right direction for me
is to start admitting my flaws,
stuff that like I am insecure about,
shown that vulnerable side.
And so like I put a post on yesterday
about like my salulite on my legs,
which I've always been really conscious about.
Like if I was in a bikini,
I would have a caftan on because I was embarrassed.
So I think the right step for me is getting out there.
That's me, that's who I am.
And if you're gonna judge you for satellite,
then you're not supposed to be around us.
Do you know what I mean?
Right.
It's 90% of you're,
percent of women have cellulite and cellulite is so normal. Apparently if you have cellulite,
it's because you're a better person, I have a better time and fun.
Oh really? Apparently I don't, someone said that, but I don't know if it's true.
So if you have no cellulite...
You're boring. You're boring. I'm all the girls, but no salulite, you're boring. I'm joking.
E. Go on, I hope I don't believe that. Oh, my God. All right, so then, are you now saying
that you will not edit any of your photos going forward? I'm going to try to. I'm not going
say never because obviously I'm still quite insecure I'm still trying to find myself I'm on
this journey but I'm trying as much not to like yesterday didn't edit my body at all and that's a
step in the right direction of me take baby steps yes walk before you can run yes do you think
that not editing is going to impact television projects influence or work I want I want
new work I want new dreams I want that I don't like I said I don't want to just be known for
Chloe Ferry drunk on TV, kick off Chloe,
because that's not me.
Like, this is my new era.
Not only am I working on myself,
I want new work opportunities.
I really, this next two year,
want to just expand.
Yes.
And just live my life and not live my life
and, like, someone else's body, basically.
Right.
But I think that so many people
want the procedures,
want the look,
because they know that's going to help them
to actually make more money
on television or through influencer work.
So is that,
something that you're concerned about that you will you could potentially make less yeah so
hopefully like my story and being honest and vulnerable with you today is actually like people go
well actually if she's had that much work done and just try to change herself that much and she's
still not happy and she's in a bit of a bad place then surely i need to look at myself and actually
take some more time and talk to me friends and family and think do i actually need this done yes like
you know what i mean and i hope that i can help younger girls because i wish that i had the advice of
someone when I was young saying this because maybe I might have listened.
Okay. Now, do you believe there's ever a time to actually get surgery, to get cosmetic
surgery? Is it ever warranted? It all depends on, it all depends on yourself, to be honest,
because if you're really, really insecure about something, even just for example, if you're not
on the public eye, like if you're really insecure about something that's really, really getting
you down and you think it's going to make you feel better, then maybe. But I can't speak for other people
obviously it's totally on them
but like I said
if you are a person
and you are thinking about getting surgery
and you aren't secure about something
don't rush into it
please do your research
please ask your friends
ask your family
your family are going to be honest
but your family aren't going to lie to you
so just for example if you feel like your boobs
are flat or you have got a big nose
like say to your family
do you think I need this done
but your family are going to probably say no anyway
but just always sit with your thoughts
and don't rush into anything like I did
I always say that you know
our village is really our superpower.
And we don't realize it.
When we have friends and family who truly love us and adore us, that's where we go.
And I always say, look at what the consensus says.
It's the same thing with relationships.
It's like if you have a partner, say you have a boyfriend, right, and you bring your boyfriend
to your friends and family and he meets everyone, he spends time with everyone, and you sit
them all down, 11, 12 of your family down, and you say, what do you think about my boyfriend?
Yeah.
I guarantee you if the majority of them say leave him, you should leave him.
Yeah, 100%.
I totally agree.
100%.
Yeah.
So it's the same thing.
I think you're saying the same thing was when it comes to procedures.
You know, rely on the feedback of your friends and family.
Yeah, definitely.
I think that's the most important because your friends and your family,
your true friends and family will not lie to you.
Yes.
They will not.
Yeah, definitely not.
They will not.
And also, I think about this as well.
Like if I was to have kids now and I could imagine my daughter,
this to us that I'm going to get this done myself,
I'd be absolutely devastated.
I'd be absolutely heartbroken.
That me don't, I wanted to change her looks
because I would think me don't
I was absolutely beautiful.
So then on that note,
this is an important question.
What do you say to all the young girls
who watch Chloe Ferry on Jordy Shore
and looked up and said,
I want breasts like that.
I know.
Or I want a butt.
I know, I know.
And that's devastating.
and then I've like done that to myself
because I do know that people do look up to us,
I don't know why, like, but people do,
like they do look up to us and I think
I would hate to ever influence anyone
to get cosmetic surgery because of me
and that's why I wanna just like step away from it.
I've made, listen, I hold my hands up,
I've made a mistake, I got surgery
and I'm massively regret it.
If I could turn back time, I would,
but it's only because I was so insecure
about the way I looked
and because I was getting pinpointed as a young girl
about the way I looked and I felt ugly.
I had no self-esteem, no confidence,
and I was in a position to change,
change it and I wish that I didn't it's a mistake and the thing is you can't ever regret
mistakes because or lessons because you always learn from it yes and that's what I've just
need to like remember because if I don't think like that I'm going to just dive down right
everything's a step in stone yeah yeah but there's the new Chloe new Chloe and I'm excited to
meet her are you oh my God I've already met her I knew I knew her I could tell you I could pinpoint
the moment. So we were in the mansion. There was one moment where you came in. It was Anne and
myself, we were talking to you. And it was the first time that you talked about, of all things,
ice skating. Yes. And you walked out of the room and I said to Anne. I said, oh, my God,
like, she's, she's, and I think I use the word, she's actually brilliant. Yeah. And it was one of those
where I realized you were so much more than the person that you were presented. Yes, 100%.
And then I felt bad.
Yeah, because a lot of people obviously do judges,
which is life.
People do, yeah.
It actually, I mean, I should say I felt bad for the judge.
It wasn't for the judge.
I felt bad because I felt like you were intentionally playing small.
What do you mean?
I felt like you were intentionally playing this role of,
oh, yeah, yeah, I'm kickoff, Chloe.
And there was so much more for you to give.
Yes.
But it's almost, and I don't want to say this is what you did,
my impression was that you knew what, you know, the UK knew what the UK knew what the UK knew for.
Yeah. And you said, I'm going to deliver it on this show. And I'm not going to give you all of these other things. Like here's this little sliver of my life. This is what I'm going to give you. But my life is so expansive. There's so many things that I love and I enjoy and who I am. And you reduced all of that just to give us this little bit.
and that's when I said I felt sad.
And that stood with me.
And from that moment, I said,
you know what, I'm going to keep my eye on her
because there will be a time
where she no longer wants to play small.
And there will be a time
where she's grown out of this.
And this is exactly where you are now.
Yeah, I definitely agree.
I'm grown out of it, aren't I?
I'm ready for new things and new beginnings.
I'm ready to be the best version of myself.
Yes.
And I know what's coming, Paul, it's all.
I'm struggling.
I'm up and down like a roller coaster,
but I know there's going to be light
at the end of the tunnel.
And you know what it is?
It's powerful.
Yes.
I'm a boss, bitch.
You are.
All right.
So then on that note,
are there any other surgery plans?
Because it seems as if you have lots of procedures,
but now it's almost like we've started the reversal.
Reverse, yeah.
So are there any other plants?
So because I'm so, I feel so much more in proportion
I do feel like myself a lot more than what I did with my bum
Like I am thinking about doing something else as well
But obviously like I said I'm waiting for a bit
I'm going to speak my friends and family about it
And then like who knows, I might be like Molly May
I'm joking, yeah, I would love to I just
I want to go like hopefully one day like fully back to natural
Okay
But I'm just taking each step as it comes
All right.
Totally natural, 100%.
I'll probably keep a little bit lip fill out,
I'll be honest, because I had bum hole lips.
Like, when I smiled, it was just gum.
So I think I'll probably keep a bit fill out,
I'll be honest, Christ, we'll not go all the way.
But I think when I've like obviously healed
and stuff from my bum, and then maybe I might go for the next step.
Okay.
Breasts.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Not saying I'm not happy with my breasts,
but if I'm on this sort of journey now,
why not just go the full shumonti?
Why not?
Why not?
I've never heard of bumhole.
No, that's bumhole lips.
Bumhole lips.
That was one of the comments.
That's something,
I know I can laugh about it now
because it doesn't affect it as much.
But so when you say I've got bumble whole lips.
So you used to say when I used to smile,
I just had gum, because I had no lips.
Oh my gosh.
These are the comments.
Yes, so I saw the word, like,
that's quite funny bumhole lips,
but it's like, yeah, basically that.
Wild.
You should, honestly, some of the messages I get,
like, not even about that.
Like, some messages I get,
Paul, I wouldn't even want to say it on here.
Yeah. I mean, it's the fact that people, I mean, I know that we're going to wrap, but the fact, like, I've never understood someone who, like the psychology of someone who will spend time, go on to your, say, Instagram page, find a post. Yeah, and comment.
And comment negatively or send you a direct message. I know. I never understand.
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As well, you never ever do. When I look I think, but you know what it is, Paul?
It's more on them because they must, could you imagine going on someone's picture and going,
you're disgusting you. I don't have time and,
In fact, I actually, I'm so focused on myself now.
I don't care what you're doing, quite frankly.
I'm on my own path.
So these people must be just sat at home with the 10 cats
and let me just think to make them feel better.
So it says more about them, that's what I think.
I think they're so low and they've got no self-esteem
and they choose not to work on their self.
And that's where they're going wrong.
They're the insecure people.
And that's what I figured out.
But back then, when I was low
and I needed all this clarity for all this surgery,
I didn't know that.
But now because I'm so much more different to what I was then,
If I knew that information, then I wouldn't have got the surgery.
But now I'm so much more educated on everything now.
Yep.
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