We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - Kerry Katona: I’ve Not Told Anyone This… What Really Happened During The Show

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Kerry Katona returns to We Need To Talk with Paolo, opening up about finding love when she least expected it, the anxiety she was battling, and the heartbreak that ran alongside her happiest moments. She speaks candidly about her relationship with Paolo, from meeting up after the cameras stopped rolling to blending their families and talking seriously about marriage. Kerry and Paolo also reflect on falling pregnant early in their relationship, the miscarriages they went through together, and what that loss brought up for them both. Kerry also speaks honestly about going on tour with Katie Price, why everyone told her not to do it, and the 20-year friendship that still connects them despite how different they are. She reflects on the emotional toll of sharing so much on stage, the health scare that left her in hospital, and why her children’s approval means more to her than anything else. Kerry Katona, We Need To Talk (again) This episode contains discussion of miscarriage. We’ve included links to support charities below: Sands: https://linkly.link/2fej3 Tommy’s: https://linkly.link/2feiZ  Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk   https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod   Sign up to our newsletter https://linkly.link/2eXHX Follow Kerry & Paolo here: https://www.instagram.com/kerrykatona7   https://www.tiktok.com/@official.kerrykatona https://www.instagram.com/paolomargaglione1/  https://www.tiktok.com/@margafitness_  Abba Mia Tour: https://www.d3productions.co.uk/abba-mia (00:00) Intro (00:58) Kerry is Back! (02:32) The Impact of Kerry’s First Appearance on We Need To Talk (11:49) Kerry’s Mindset Going into Appearing on Celebs Go Dating (15:52) What Was It About Paolo That First Appealed to Kerry? (17:18) How Kerry and Paolo’s Relationship Developed (20:26) How Did Kerry and Paolo Deal With the Age Gap? (22:26) Kerry’s Struggle With Anxiety Over The Past Year (25:52) Kerry’s Health Scare (27:51) The Emotional Impact of Kerry’s Tour with Katie Price (31:57) Kerry and Paolo’s Interdependent Relationship (35:24) Would Kerry Tour With Katie Price Again? (37:07) The History of Kerry and Katie’s Friendship (42:52) Kerry’s On Parasocial Relationships (48:20) Paul Surprises Kerry With A Letter From Home (54:42) Shopify Ad (55:46) Paolo Joins Paul and Kerry (01:00:09) What Has the Media’s Reception Been Like About Their Relationship? (01:04:34) Paul Shows Kerry and Paolo a Family Photo (01:06:32) How Do Kerry and Paolo Manage Their Blended Family? (01:08:43) How Does Paolo Deal With the Parasocial Relationship Fans Have With Kerry? (01:13:41) Kerry and Paolo Address ‘That Photo’ With Katie Price in Dubai (01:14:57) Are Kerry and Paolo Moving to Spain? (01:17:27) What Does Paolo Love About Kerry? (01:21:21) Will Kerry and Paolo Get Married? (01:24:00) Do Kerry and Paolo Want to Have Children Together? (01:30:43) Most Memorable Conversation (01:34:03) Paul’s Takeaways Sponsored by: Shopify: www.shopify.co.uk/needtotalk  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost! Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your oceanfront room. Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now.

Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected. When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard? But not the pipeline. That's bullspend. And marketers are calling it out in.

Dashboard. Confessions. My boss asks for results. So I open my dashboard for the only positive-sounding metric I had. Impressions. Cut the bullspend. See revenue, not just reach. LinkedIn delivers the highest return on ad spend of major ad networks. Advertise on LinkedIn.

Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com slash campaign. turns the conditions apply. This is an exclusive. Not told anybody this. The story is the same thing I've been telling for years. It's just like the cameras are now in focus and people actually hearing it differently.

I just think about little Kerr upsets me now. Can you believe that we're doing this again? It's just bloody love me, fault. Here he comes. He's coming in. As a good interviewer, I have to ask you this. I don't want to be associated with it. When we're together, it's amazing.

But we are very different people. Do you believe you two will get married? Hey there, before we begin the episode, I just want to say, thank you for choosing we need to talk. Doing this podcast is one of the greatest joys of my life. And I want to continue to share it with you. So please subscribe. It's free.

It takes just a second, and it helps us to continue to grow this podcast. Ready for this. Well, I've come prepared. You're come prepared. All right, set your timers. Everyone get the timers. Kerry Katona, we need to talk. talk again.

About what? I have nothing left to give, Paul. You do, you do, you do. Can we start with this? All right, let's start with this. Why in the world are you wearing pajamas right now? Well, the thing is, Paul, I've learnt my lesson with you. I've known you for almost seven years.

I can't get a word in each ways. I'm going to say, that is not... And last time I was here, like, we've worked together on quite a few things now, But last time I was here, you kept, you, no, Paul, you have this thing that you do that your ass can't get out of the seat and you kept me here for 10 hours. Okay. Just over 10 hours. I kept you here for 10 hours. It took you forever get through that.

We didn't even touch an half the shite. We didn't. That's why you're back. So this time, I've come back, I thought, I'll be prepared. Okay. I've got my jammers, got my sleep mask, got my slippers. I've even brought my toothbrush. All right.

Now, also, you're on account. Do you want me light on? Well, no, no, because it's not just you. You've brought someone with you. He's not that small call. No, no, no. You brought Palo with you. I have brought Palo with me.

Okay, so we're going to talk to Palo. But before we bring Palo on, it's just the two of us. Just us again. It's just the two of us. Can you believe that we're doing this again? No, I don't, no, I don't. I can't. I tell you what, though, I did struggle.

after the one that we did went public, I struggled with a response, but in a completely different way, because I get really emotional, but I was actually on FaceTime to my elderly daughters, Molly and Lily, and I couldn't stop crying. I just never had such lovely, amazing support, and the messages I got pulled was so overwhelming

that I'm not used to that. I'm normally the knobbed. Do you know what I mean? Everyone kind of, you know, the car crash car. But the story I told you is the same thing I've been telling for years. It's just like the cameras are now in focus and people are actually hearing it differently. Yes.

I found it overwhelmed. I didn't know how to accept the beautifulness of so many lovely people showing support. The comments on your... episode are like paragraphs. Is that essay's bar? My hands are killing me on his so I was like that all day. Was that? That was you.

It was, that was you. That was you. But it was a lot of people essentially saying, I thought this one thing about Kerry, I can't believe that I thought that. I feel ashamed that I thought that. Yeah, I noticed that. I've now changed my perspective. I don't know the re-comments, Paul.

And I don't, I think that's what surprised. me the most because I get it. I get how people really, that's why I did the whole Katie and Kerry tour, which was all me. And that was something I wanted. And there was no point of me telling me story on the stage because all the bastard audience had all dared it.

Yeah, yeah. So for me, the fact that it was inspiring to others, that really fulfilled me. But I was also really confusing, Kim, I don't understand why the responses like this now when I've not told anything differently. Yeah. You know, I think part of it is the long form of the interview, right?

The fact that it's not, it's edited, obviously, right? Because we were here for 10 hours. Oh, you poor, edit people. But I think that's part of it is that people were able to see you unfiltered. Yeah. I think that's part. I think the other part, too, is that there is something about the setting where it allows people to just go deep and express and be vulnerable and take a lot of,

us along this ride and that's what you did. You know, Akkir too, is from the last time that we sat down between that time and now, have you had production companies or networks reach out to you? Fucking ridiculous, Paul, life's that it's really. Paul, it's crazy. I have found it really overwhelming and I think that's really sad. My daughter, she did, she did, I hide her. Heidi, yeah, Heidi, of course.

I love Heidi. Yes. Heidi had a first solo shoot with a newspaper and I was managing it. Didn't get involved. You know, I was looking after hiding. The reporter turned up. Are you love?

Come on in, do you want a cup of tea? You know, I sat there talking to her all day. And then the week asked when the article came out, I learned who the reporter was. I rang in my mind. Don't tell me that was such, such, such, worrying my house then. And he went, Kerry, I've just hung up off the phone. She just rang me.

crying. She said halfway through the day she had to go in my bathroom and cry for guilt because it's the first time she's ever actually met me after all those years of write about me. And for her to have said that, I felt validated. And then next thing, you know, this has come out, Disney, Netflix, ITV, goodness. I can't tell you all, but it's so, yeah, I think as well, I think it's so unbelievable in my life story that they actually want to turn it into like a series of film like a film like Tina Turner kind of thing oh okay I see I see I mean we'll be sat in the cinema for hours it'll be all week bring you jammers you get to the end of the

week you'll only be 14 yeah you know yeah honestly since since the production companies it's I mean I took a lot of it with pinch of salt because I've been through all that until it's there and happening it's like the people who've been in touch with like celebrities getting in touch from me saying I watched a podcast, oh my God. And I'm like, oh my God, wow. Yeah. Wow, people actually crying, like saying they sobbed, they laughed. Yes.

I mean, I personally didn't watch it back. So you still have not watched it? Really? No, Paul. It's a two-parter. No, I can get upset thinking about it. You know what it is, seeing myself cry? I just think about Little Kerr.

Upsets me now. No, I've not watched it. Okay. I've not watched it back. I went to put it on and I was like, I can't watch it because there's a lot of shame in there for me as well still, but I still deal with, you know, that, this is it today, it's all we've got.

This is. Yesterday's gone. Tomorrow's not promised. This is it that's all got today right now. So why don't he need to go watch it back? I know what happened. I can't see myself be upset like that. Because it's hard.

Like, we did a girl band documentary, girls for ever. Yes. That was really hard to watch because there's this young girl on there. They're excited. Like, they're footage out of the video. never seen Paul and everyone goes oh you got into it knowing full well what you're getting into i did it i watched topic pops and gills singing and dancing that's what i want to do and you just see

this young carry on there and i'm watching you've not got unclear what's about to happen to you it was really hard to keep stopping it because then there's a clip of me in the back of the car and tash even says you know Kerry was struggling i struggled with the fame you won't think it now but i did but no i I mean, you know, having sat down with you for the previous two episodes, right? It's interesting. This is our third episode with Gary Kuton. You just bloody love me, fall, admitting. You are the first guest that we have invited back. So, but it's...

What, three times? Second time. No, for a second time. Really? So it has set this tone where the guests who come on to, we need to talk, feel... They walk in this door ready to emote. I'm proud of who I am is my authenticity and just being honest with who you are as a person

whether you like who you are or not and I think if that's going to help others come and unload whether they're ashamed of it, embarrassed of it or just need to talk about what's going on I feel really emotional about that made it all look a bit worth it over three million views and lessons that's crazy I don't even

I even think it's about the views for me. It's just what it's given to other people to want to go and do. For people to look up to you like that, when everyone's really looked down on me for so long. Yeah. You felt, I could see that you felt seen. You felt heard. It's not, I just think so.

I had so much shit over the ears. And everyone's looked down on me. I get it. And then for people to tell me, I'm inspiration, it's like, something I don't be like I deserve it. Because a lot of it was on me. I can't blame the world. I did for so long.

But I just want to show people that you can get through it. It doesn't matter how low you go. It doesn't matter how far you fall. Doesn't know how many times you fail. As Les Brown says, you fall down, you're looking up, you can get up. It made me who I am. who I am, I wouldn't change any of it. It won't change me warm.

I won't change the drugs. I won't change any of it. I won't change my husband's wrong partner. Right kids. Right. Right experience. All lessons. Not mistakes.

If you keep doing it, then it's a mistake. That's a mistake. You just got to learn from it. Yeah. When you think back to our previous conversation, was there anything that you, upon reflection, that you wanted to mention or wanted to say. I mean, I have...

Yeah, I just thought, what the fuck are you wearing, Paul? Jesus Christ. I got sitting looking at that bastard jumper all day. But I kept it to myself. I kept it to myself. That was a designer. That was a designer.

This is a designer jacket. I had. Just looking around, Paul. I don't understand why there's not a massive fuck-off picture. There is. You're right here. Well, you can't even go. It should be there.

It should be there. In a platinum frame. Look how prominent that is. Right in the middle? Right in the front. It should be there. In fact, I should be the face of the podcast. Can we talk about your year?

Because it's been about a year. It's changed my year. It's been a year since I came and did clubs go dating. I was on my own journey. I was, my energy was good. I had my nice routine at home with the children. I couldn't think of anything worse than getting near a man

or being with a man or even living with a man ever again because I've never gone public with how it ended, but it was disgusting what happened to me. That my trust was just so vile. This is with Ryan. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And I wasn't happy for like four years in that relationship. I think after being with George and then because was so mundane like Ryan was just safe and quiet but not knowing who that person was because we didn't converse I didn't know it to find out in the end was just so shocking that my hair actually fell out. It made me really ill. I didn't realise how much I missed conversing and like I'd get if I was upset it'd be you know, on his phone

like this, I'd have to ask for a hug, I'd have to, you know, and sometimes I think I was actually seeking out attention for him by acting up just to try and get a bit of affection. Yes. I don't know. There's a lot more to it,

but I think for me, it was just, I thought, I'm sick of this, this trust. That's why I was so, nah. I mean, I was just like, what do you do, go on, let's put it.

My outfit cameras, yeah. Aha. So when you went into celebs go dating, it was really what you said. Yeah, but what I do for my job is it's exposure. When you do these TV shows, no bullshit. Every celebrity that is on there is on there for exposure to the next job. That's what we do.

We're there to entertain and create escapism for these amazing people who are going through shit. They turn the TV on. It texts them away from their reality. And that's what I came to do. That is a, another celebrity will tell you that. That is a, okay, we've got this opportunity that means I could get another show

or I can get more exposure or, that's my job, Paul. Right. Leave your ego at the bastard door. Right. We're all the same. I love what I do. Because for me, when I get asked to do things, I also think, what a great adventure,

what a great memory, what's going to happen. Yes. You know, but I was, I was done ever meet. You know that. You definitely, I feel like you had this epiphany around Ryan. and saying, okay, I now understand what happened there. Yeah. I am happy in who I am.

Yeah. And it was this moment of I'm content, finally. I was a queen of my castle. I thought I could do this on my, I'm done. Yeah. And then here we go introducing Paolo. Were you also of the thought, just as you said, you came on to the show for publicity, etc.

Were you also of the thought that a lot of the deities are on the there for it? Exactly. I said to kiss, any fucker who goes on that bastard show are on there for fame. It's that simple. Do you think I'm going to kiss anybody? No. And I was like, to Adam Hodge. Do you don't make me snug anybody on television because I'm not doing it?

Right. These are the executives. These execs. Yeah, yeah. I spoke to Waddenham actually not long ago. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Because I remember we were filming something else where I think they were trying to encourage you. Yeah. And you decided no. The answer was no. It doesn't matter. You could have put Brad Pitt up there. I was like, yeah, I'm not. It's not interested.

It doesn't care what you look like you are. I wasn't interested. Then at what moment did it change for you when you met him? His energy. Paolo has such a calming presence about him and I could tell straight away he'd been in therapy. I could tell straight away he'd worked on himself. I don't know.

It was just, oh God, I could feel it in my chest now. I was like really, really drawn to him. And then he slid into my DMs. Did he? So that night. That night. Which is against the rules. That's against the celebrity dating agency rules.

Can I tell you? All my replies were like two words, two cents. Like, I was still. I mean, you were breaking the rules too, Carrie. What are you going to do? Keep me off the show. So he... But I was being kindy.

And I thought he was a really... I thought, oh, he was lovely. What did he say in the first slide in? It's his aura, his energy. He's... Oh, in the DM's. But I call me, I wore trainers just to take the piss so I didn't have any hype. Just for the show.

I'm not going to bullshit, that's what it was. I thought, oh, I'll get a laugh of you with this. And then just the more I sat down with him and he said, like, stop interviewing him, sit down and listen. And the more I listen to him, the more he spoke. And I was just pulled in. I thought, you're lovely. I was like, yeah, he was nice.

I'm okay. I thought, oh, I'll go on it. because they force you. They literally put a gunty head and they make you go on these bastard dates with these knobbeds. And on our second date when we met up, we stood outside.

You went to go a kiss or just like that and Sophia, the chaperone. Like, you should have gone for a drink with him. And I said, no, I've got our hide at the hotel. I'm not going. No, I'm not going. I went, yeah, we're really well. And I hide, went, why don't you text him? Tans come back to, mum.

She went, stop using us as an excuse. She was, look at you. You look like a smart ass boss bitch. You're not going to look like this again. Give him a text. Is that Heidi? Give him a text. Go downstairs.

Meet me at the bar for an hour. I'll come down halfway through and make sure you're all right. I went, should I? And she's actually got me on camera. I said, what do you say? And she's filming me and I text him and he turned his Uber around. And he came up at the hotel. And our Heidi came down halfway through.

And we had a kiss and I went to bed with Heidi. Look at that. So it's really Heidi. It was, yeah. It was her inspiration. It was my children that was, and DJ as well. Yes. And then eventually I wasn't well.

And Paolo wanted to come to my house. I was like, so I'm not having some bloke off to tell you. I've just met come around knowing where I live. And I'm playing the voice notes and it was our DJ going, Mom, he sounds. was lovely, he's a breakdown. This is my 11-year-old daughter going, just let him

come round. I went, if you end up in bastard therapy after this, because I've had some another bloody bloke in the house, don't blame me. Right. And he came around. I literally, Paul, I'm not even lying. I sat like this in the corner of my sofa and I wouldn't let him anywhere near me. I was like, this is where that you're in my house.

And I think it was like we'd seen each for quite a bit. I wasn't well. He came around the house. He got me a care package because I'd been pulling and I had to have the three root canals when we went to Kent. Do you remember?

Yes, I remember. He came to my house. He got on my bed, said don't got under covers. As I say, I'll have done with the covers. I always made sure I had no makeup on. I was in my scruff's all the time. He just wasn't leaving.

He was adamant and I was like, you know. And then it was actually in Kent, the day he surprised me. And then that was the next day that we went to a hotel by ourselves. we've done it every day since. Well, thank you for that information. You're very welcome.

I wake up every morning, Paul, and I think, can I follow in, I can't, I follow in a lot more and more every day. Yes. Every day. Yeah. This morning I walk up and I said, I'm so grateful for you. He's just a beautiful soul. You could argue that if you were not in the right head space, then you never would have connected. And you could probably argue the same with Paolo

because he has gone through that. Timing is everything. And I feel like the invisible shrink theory is a massive, massive thing. And I feel like, like for me, the age was a big thing. It really was. I'm not this kind of person

or woman who goes looking for toy boys. It's just, you know. Because he's 11 years younger than you. All right, Paul. Just to get a fucking billboard and put it on there. Jesus Christ. I'm just trying to state for those to think.

He's 11. 11 years younger than you, Kerry. Jesus Christ. He's a decade plus one year. That sounds even worse. I'm just saying he's a decade. And one. And one.

Yeah. Younger than you. But for me, at first that bothered me. I think I was overthinking. I was very critical of myself. I was very aware. I was very, you know. And the one thing,

Paolo is what I'm really never seen before. his actions matches his words. Yeah. And he said to me, time will tell, and you will see. And it hasn't been easy, you know. We've had to blend our families together, you know. He's been obstacles in the way.

Like every relationship. I've never felt anything like it. But, you know, I realize it's not that I go, I don't think I've ever really been in love. I don't think I've ever received or felt love the way Paolo actually loves me. Honestly. Yes.

And how does that feel? How does it feel? What is that? What does true love feel like? Alien. But so filled up. I feel so full. I don't think I've ever...

He's like a female version of me, but I'm better looking and funnier. But, you know, I've learned a lot from him. He's patient. I'm not really that patient sometimes. You know, but he's... He does everything with a smile. You know, he's...

He's emotionally intelligent, emotionally available. You know, we could sit in the room and not even have to speak and know what each other want. I've never had that. It's very powerful. And my Heidi said to me, her birthday was the 20th of February. She went to watch magic mic, typical. The day before I took our hide of champagne and lobster.

And she went, Mum, you just not being yourself this last year. It's anxiety since, since then. doing we need to talk and since doing so I've got to go dating and I meet you Paul this anxiety like severe severe bad anxiety at one point I was on stage with Katie

around our state oh well like it was crippling crippling anxiety and I had everything I'm being inundated with work opportunities I met this most amazing guy

but this anxiety because some of the things that have actually happened I didn't tell everything it's so shocking that I wouldn't be surprised if I'd be done over again

so I'm still learning myself I could see it I'm still learning to accept that but I guess it's still look at a part of me waiting I could see it it's almost like you don't trust that the good it's not that I don't just Paulo oh no no not Paolo

It's not that. It's like, it's like, not because of him. But because of what you've gone through. Because it's. Yeah, because of what you've gone through. It's happened. It's been abandoned again. Yes.

Yeah. And you and Paolo, now Paolo's a public figure. Mm-hmm. Your relationship is public. Mm-hmm. Well, we're not really. It is public, but what are we don't? It's public.

I mean, Kerry, you met on a television show. Right, yeah. Oh, you are right. But we're very private as well. You're very private. But where I'm going with this is that there are many people who have an opinion of your relationship. Oh, here we go again. Another one.

Exactly. Good, bad and indifferent. Well, they're going to have it, aren't they? And I'm very aware of that. Yes. And I think that's why I was so, I did mean it at the start to think, I wasn't expecting to fall in love like this. And that's scary because it's, I've never felt like this. I kept really emotional.

I've never, ever felt like this felt somebody. And that scares me. Because I don't want to be humiliated. I know he's not going to. I don't, you know, you just got to trust the process. You have to trust. This goes back to that definition of trust is that you have to have the truth, but you also have to have the predictability.

And if you don't have a history. That's a thing. It's like, why? being held and being and you being able to instill trust how can you then go for one with that I mean I always got to marry him in a heartbeat I do this I think to palo why would you want to marry me with my track record why would you you know and I love the thought of it scares a shit out of me yeah yeah really scares me and and I'm going to I want to talk about marriage when he when he comes as well can we this year too I know this this has been a challenging year because you had a health scare

at the top of this year? Are you open to talking about what happened? Yeah, I think I just don't really the bad chits, Paul, to be honest with you. Yeah. I'm not even going to lie. That was your health scare? Yeah.

They said a colitis. I've never even heard of it. Yeah. But I was, it was horrendous. I thought I was in labor. Parlor wasn't at work. I had to bring an ambulance. I was, it was the night before we were supposed to do

our okay shoot together. Okay. Let's get my extensions done. It's like, time. I'm like, going, don't feel right. And I have regular bowel movement, have my coffee at morning, look at the toilet. That's my routine.

Before I start, meditating, just so you all know, there's nothing else more I can share. Unless you're blood. You've buried it all. That's it. And I was literally just on the toilet constantly, and then at the point that I was screaming,

when I say, I was screaming the house down with pain. that the ambulance came in and gave me and I had to have a CT scar. Yes. And they said I had something called colitis and that yes, change you. But I've had no problems since.

Interesting. So do you know what the top cause of colitis is? Love. It is a... Talking to you. I've got a... I've got a knolls up on you. You know, this is wild because when I tell you,

you're going to definitely... All this shit happens since being on April. You're going to put it on me. is it is a compromised immune system. And you get a compromised immune system sometimes through stress. Yeah. My anxiety was so bad. And honestly, I was always like this.

And since that emotional release, we're doing the breathwork part, like my body was spasming. I literally felt it. Like my shoulders from my ears have dropped. It was just a lot to carry, I think, as well. When you talk about what we spoke about in such depth, I had to still carry that after I left. Yes.

You know, and reflect on it. And that in itself. And then I went straight on tour with Katie. And we spoke about shit every night. That was really tough. Like, Kate's very... I don't want to speak on behalf of Kate. Really not.

Kate's very detached. I'm very in tune. And I'm trying to really... I put the show together, even out to the fucking colour palette of it. You know? I wanted that to be enlifting, enlightening, inspiring, and I bared all every night.

That was a lot. Yeah. And I'm still dealing with that, Paul. Because with this, this is so interesting when you said that, because I now can see that, right? Because I know Katie, and she's very, a matter of fact, says... I used to be. Says it and then just moves.

There's no emotional attachment to what she's. she's saying whereas I can see when you say something it sits with you yeah and I'm and it's like last year was a big year just doing talking to yourself and then the show and then we did a 38 day tour after that yes Paul and I really bear all we go deep into situations and conversations and as well as having a laugh and be a knob and all that kind of stuff and that was a lot I thought was so I mean I go and tour again in May, I'm dreading it because it's not the same kind of tour, but that was a heavy, heavy tour to do. Yes. It was heavy. You imagine doing this every day on stage. Every day. Yeah, I think, I was talking to you saying that. You were worried that Kate wouldn't turn up.

Turn up to every single one apart. She got caught in traffic, which everyone does. She was stuck in traffic for nine hours. You know, fairness to that. She turned up, I drove the car. Yeah. She was there for every show. I couldn't believe that. That you both completed the tour. Oh, of course I would. Hello, also professional With the anxiety Do you still have it? No Okay

I can I can get emotional about something When I talk about it But since I did the breath work I feel like it's got Paul when I say it was every day Like Ashley we're making party She'll tell you I'm

I've got this anxiety And I was always I thought it was wrong with period Because your hormones change But I just had my last period after doing the breath work. But I do get a bit of separation anxiety from Paolo as well. Do you?

Like that chest, when he puts me on his chest, it's a little safe space for me. Okay. But I don't. But I feel like that anxiety, I feel like has gone. And since doing the breath work, you kind of go in your own head and analyse a lot and you get taken on a little bit of a path of the journey

what I thought I was going in for, but end up walking away with something completely different. Does that make sense? Yes. Do you know what I mean? I thought, right, this is my problem. Yes. And then when I went on my little breathwork journey

and thought, oh, it wasn't that. I was holding on a lot. I'm still dealing with her childhood. A lot that I'm still having to let go of. And I was very like, Kate, I was very detached. I used to say it like it was a script. But I'm very more in tune with it now because I'm healing, because I'm learning and I'm accepting.

And that's sometimes one of the hardest things to do is heal and accept. It is. Like when I look at Little Kerr, and I go back to Little Kerr, the first thing I say to this little carer who's been abandoned, she's all by herself. My mum don't worry, she's put her with her back through. No one can have her. She's scared to death.

I go back in as me. And I say to her, oh my God, you've got so much that's going to happen to you. First thing I say is, you've got these five amazing kids. These kids are going to be amazing. And then I go, you've got to go on stage. You're going to do this, you're going to do that. But these kids, you know, and this little girl is just like, it's going to be an hard kid.

But I've got you now. I've said it before. I've had to be my own hero. which I'm struggling with with Palo. How so? Because he does a lot for me. Like he carries a bag and opens a door and he's, I'm very independent.

I've always been a bit of the man of the house. I'm having to learn to take go of my alpha male in me to help him. Does that make sense? It does. Because I've always been the boss of the house, It's not too much the boss or who's in control or... But that's been something new to me to learn, to accept.

Yes. That it's okay for someone else to... I have to deal a little bit, which I struggle with a little bit. Yeah. Because you had to be independent. Yeah. And now you're in a relationship with someone. He's very independent.

He's very independent. He's very got the shit together. Which makes you... doesn't need anything from me. Right. You know, that's new for me. Very, very new. Yes.

Very. So you're becoming interdependent. I'm sure you just made that up. No. That is the term. That's the term. Interdependent, which is something that many people who are independent have a very hard time doing. Because how do you relinquish, you know, the fact.

that you do all. I've just started allowing him to look after the passports. Oh, wow. It's big. Big. That's big. That's a big one that. I'm quite old-fashioned in that respect. I love the old-fashioned ways, Paul, of a man and a wife and a husband and children. And a man being the man of the house, you know, but that's what I always create. That's why I lost her own a kitten. I got pregnant. I wanted to speak, mom and a wife. That's how they wanted.

Yes. I wanted those picture frames. who's up on the wall and it's last forever. That was my dreams. All I ever wanted. So to meet somebody like Paolo who's actually so kind, so generous,

so caring, so giving, so independent, true to his word, is alien in a way, but also really overwhelming and so fulfilling. Yeah, no, he's he's 10-10.

One off. Yeah, he is 10-10. He's definitely one-off and I can't believe I found him. When I was in a be-fer, I had to go meet Anna and Tara. This is when we were filming. Yeah, I brought my gratitude book. Okay. And I said, on camera, I want to manifest my soulmate.

I read it out all on camera. And everything that was in that list, I want someone who's going to slow down to me in the kick. someone who will sing silly with me in the car, you know, someone who will be my biggest cheerleader, you know, someone who's independent, someone who's got their own shit going on, someone who's got their own fucking money, everything.

Right there, right there, yeah. Believe in it, I do. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. On the tour, though, would you ever do a tour like that again? Yeah, because I know how much it inspired others. I know how much it, I...

I can't express to you in the meet and greets the people who came up to me who was considering suicide why would I say no doing that if I could help someone change their life or save a life Paul I'm not joking like people literally crying saying you'd change my life that's

so every night I gave it everything I could because if I could help someone not do that how was it that because I know that you organised the tour. Oh, with the help of AB productions, obviously, but the whole thing was my idea, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. How did you... Well, I actually chose the presenters and I got Jamie's to help write it and put it together. The production company I've worked with for years to like my family. Okay. And the whole point of it was,

I'm a woman's woman. I can be a tomboy, but I never looked down on anybody unless I'm helping them up. Right. And that was the whole point with Kate, people that tell me not to work. with her, don't do this. I was like, hang a minute, I know what she's been through.

Why would we not do that? And Panto was such a great, you know, she was amazed on it. Oh, so you two had done Panto together? Yeah, yeah, we did Panto together the year before. Okay, okay. And it was a sellout. Oh, of course it was. Of course it was.

It's not me. I mean, Kate's here, am it? It's always been like that. Yeah. Okay, can we talk about you and Katie? We're not going to go to the place, but let's, let's talk about you and Because I think that many people would say, I don't even understand how these two are friends. Really?

Yeah. Can I explain something about me and Kate? Our lives were very different people. We're, I think you know that. Yes. But our lives are very mirrored. And I don't think there's anybody in this industry who understands what I've been through, like Kate.

I know understands what Kate's been through. like I do. Five children, three husbands, both been bankrupt, both under drugs, both clown models, both been horrendous headliners,

so we understand that and we get that. Okay. When we're together, bantas great, but we are very different people. I love Kate. I want nothing done amazing things to happen for her. and I'll always be there for Kate.

And I wish nothing but happiness for her. But we are different people in that respect, in a lot of things. Yeah. Like, I like to think, well, I like to thought, but when we're doing the tour, I actually noticed the more the tour got on, Kate repeating things I've been saying.

I actually sat back with quite proud. I was looking at you. Look at you laughing because you know I'm listening to everything that I said, you know, when I'm getting motivational, I'm talking about myself, Kate then starts to repeat, you know, so I was going, I was like, she's listening, and it's great, because that was a whole point.

I want people to see the Kate that I knew, and all this, you know, I know you's going short to her, I said, I'm telling you now she will. If I'm there, Kate will do it, and she did. You're right, you're right. And she did, and I knew it, and we had a great time. We had so many last and before, and I really got to know Kate on the tour.

Even though we've known, it's almost been more of a celebrity friendship, You know, we've not seen it for years and years and years, like a decade or something. Oh, wow. So it's not like we've been besties in that respect, but I know I could trust Kate with something and she'd never, and vice versa.

Might not always agree with what she does. She might always agree what I do. I see the similarities. I mean, you just painted. Yeah. And that's been very mirrored. So there's no one who will ever understand what that's been like.

apart from her and me yes does that make sense it does it does in this industry yes it does it does and when I when I spoke with Katie it was one of those where I couldn't believe it was similar to my conversation with you like I couldn't believe what she had gone through and to be able to recite it to say it she did it every night on stage To the point that I saw it was getting too much That I took certain parts of it out I actually I'm quite

When I'm in boss mode When I'm in boss mode When I'm in business mode When I'm like look And the accent left something I said It's like That's got to go

Because Kate's losing it on stage And I don't want people to think That she's lost the plot Not that she had at all It's just repetitiveness I've talked about the same thing a lot Can do something to people differently And so for me

it was, she's very detached. She knows that herself. But me and my family, we adore Kate. Like when she's at mine at Christmas with Harvard, like my Kate, I mean, Paolo, no, and my kids are always great. 20 years of friendship there. Mm-hmm. All right.

More? More. More than 20 years. More? I'm at Kate when I was 19. I'm 45. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Yeah. It was before the jungle. I think I was 19. 18 or 19. Yeah. I won't tell you what she first said to me. Nah Me and Kate both said

I'll never repeat that I'll tell you off camera But yeah She was always She was always just Try shock factor Kate Oh really And I was like

I think She was like If with her boobs This is not what she That I won't tell you There was me Dane Bowers Brian McFadden

And Bradley And Natasha Oh wow I think it was in twice As nice She's like She's like So something like

Because Kate was very intimidating She was like the top club model Everyone knew who George was Jordan She was Jordan there I didn't even know her name was Kate at this point And

I said go on then Brian feel him So he must have thought I was the greatest girlfriend in the world And he felt him I said I feel something that was fucking real So I was never intimidated by someone Bear in mind how I grew up

Do you know what I mean Me and Kate's adult lives are very similar Our childhood's completely different Do you know what I mean So, I think you're respect to that Because I was not interviewed by anybody I think of a shitty here you was

That's pretty bold They were my real at the time You know, I was tripping over my nipples As to get them done, people, health and safety You know what I mean? I was outside with our women Borenada So yeah

So I think that And we'd bump into each row over the years And just, yeah, you're right And then it was a jungle really That brought us together and then you do things and you do their photos like and then the papers want you to magazines what you do shoot and then you don't really talk to each other then we had a falling out and then and then I didn't speak to for years and years and years can I ask you about this AI thing

I've seen you do me yeah oh the oh chat yeah and Katie could okay okay yeah ask away subscribe people Paul we spoke about this Darling. I knew you were going to try to get it in here. Can you get that discount goal for bar, please? All right, this is why. Just sign him up for free. Give me out.

Give it to me for free. This is why I bring this up, okay, because I saw Katie's Kate likes. I saw her come out with her. What do you call it? Like your AI twin. Yeah. So she came out with her AI twin. I see you come out with your AI.

It was at the same time, but I, because I, I do only fans and I do my only fans. Me personally, nobody else runs it. It's me. It's so full on. That's why I'm at home doing that. So this O-chart is similar, but it's me. But you can ask and make it do anything you want,

but actually isn't me and I still make money from it. Okay, so this to me is so fascinating. And this shows you how... I don't really know much about it, to be honest people. I just got total. It's just another stream of revenue for me. But it's an AI twin that's trained. it looks like you, it's kind of you.

Yeah. It sounds like you. I wish you did look like that. But so, but it's, it's modeled after you. It looks very similar to you. Yeah, so you have to do your voice. And then I just send them a few pictures. Right.

And then it turns it into, I mean, if you don't, if you don't keep up with it, Paul, you go and get left behind. Right. But, but let's, but can we have a serious AI chat around? Yeah. Okay, you're ready for this? I'm real. I'm Kerry.

So you're Carrie? Right now. You're a Carrie. Yeah. So this is where I'm going. So I'm fascinated by parisocial relationships, these one-sided, emotionally bonded relationships. So with your AI twin,

someone can basically have a conversation with your twin. I just thought of something that's really scared me. Actually, I've not really thought about this before. Who's that? but they can get, like, proper involved with this person and follow them. Can Kerry, this is where I'm going? This is where I'm going. That just hit me.

Rewrary those cameras and you'll see that thought just hit my head because I get really nervous about this for Voni fans. So, Karen, this is exactly where I'm going. They're going to think they're in a real relationship with. They're going to think because they can chat with you at any time, 2 a.m. You, your twin chats back. Your twin will send them some images. What will they send me, Paul?

How does it go? I'm not. Is that what you do when you go into that tree? Just leave. Leave. All right, the interview is done. The interview is done. I do not want to talk to you anymore.

I don't want to talk to you anymore. I do not like this. I want Carrie gone. All right. Seriously. Let's get serious. Let's get serious. Please.

I forgot to watch you sense. Mental and mutual out. Gone. Okay. Remember, this is serious, serious conversation about parasocial relationships here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

So, your AI twin. Sending. Is sending images. Yeah. Having conversation, leaving voice notes. I know. No, you said that. The person thinks, wow.

I'm, I have a relationship with Kerry. You know what? Up until that moment, I kind of saw where it was going and I thought, I'm not really thought about it like that. Because what does scare me about only fans as well? No, just only fans. I've had, I've had stalkers. I've had DMs.

You know, it doesn't just have to be on night. Doesn't I have to just, I get this on a daily basis. Sometimes I get like love poems and before I, I ever did OnlyFans, forget about that. I had the police stood up at my house. The guy who was a rapist who won a lottery in jail had a shrine to me and was gonna bind me when he got out. My house was just like, oh, I've got a sock, I'm really famous.

You know, you're not actually really realising, you know, one guy had his hallway with all news clippings all of his all. How about the stairs? Of you? This is no... Nothing do with OnlyFans or just me. Because it was scary. You know?

I don't think it helps. It adds to it, but I'm also not going to stop doing what I do because of minority of something. Otherwise, none of us would do anything. But that's always happened. Where it's AI, where it's me being an atomic care, where it's me being a galvan model, whether it's me being a reality star,

someone will always have a fascination or an attachment. I have a few surprises for you. Oh, fuck it up, Paul, don't you make me scared? No. This is a good surprise. Yeah, go on. Okay. Don't love that.

I would love to do that. I would love to do that. You should have done that? You shouldn't? No, it's not really. I cannot do that to you, Carrie, even though I would like to. Go on. Oh.

Carrie. You know, I'm dyslexic and I can't fucking read. Is it a coloring book? Now, I tell you what. I would be more than happy to read this as well. Do you want to read it? Oh, yeah, I can read it to you. And I want you to guess who it is written.

Okay. It's not a refraining order, is it? Okay. All right, you ready? Yeah. I've been thinking a lot about everything you've been through and everything you've done, and I just needed to put it into words. You are and always will be my hero.

the strongest, most resilient person I've ever met. You face so much in your life more than most people would ever really know, but somehow you've come out of it with strength, and I honestly can't even begin to measure how strong you are. You didn't just survive, but you carried on and kept going. You fought back against everything life throughout you, and you never gave up, and you provided us all. with a better life.

That's something I admire more than I probably say out loud to you, Mom. Heidi. When you believe in something, you give it your whole heart, and that's something I've learned from you without even realizing it. Everything I am today is because of you. Your love, your sacrifices, and your passion. They've shaped me into the person I'm still becoming, and I'm so great. grateful for that every single day. I hope to grow up to be just half the woman you are and mother you are. That really got me. That's powerful.

And more than anything, I just want you to be happy. Truly, deeply happy. You deserve that more than anyone. So seeing you find that happiness now, especially with Palo, means everything to me. I have a glow about you since meeting Paolo, and I can really see that you have met your soulmate, the person you will be with forever, and I hope that you know how loved you are by me and my four built-in best friends. I love you more than I could ever put into writing. Love you to the moon and back. Heidi. Yes. Yes. There's could have been any of them or Heidi.

Heidi. I have this that I just want to. So that is, that's you and Heidi. You know, I've had the privilege. That's it for me. That's all I need is their approval. That's it. No one else is.

That's all I crave more than anything. Is my kids to be proud of me? and I just hope try to guide them in the right way and I haven't been perfect, far from it I'll still get it wrong. She's a little cow. But what I need?

She's, I've had the privilege of meeting Heidi, right, on a few occasions. She's going to love the fact she's trumped her sisters and brothers. That's what she does. Oh, really? Yeah. She does it on purpose. I know, no, I'm not so beautiful.

Yeah. And you know, what's interesting, from every time I've met Heidi, I could see that it's such an interesting relationship that she has with you. She looks up to you, but yet your friends at the same time. Yeah, like she still won't swear in front of my Heidi. I'm quite, I'm different with my son. I'm different with all of them. I was a different woman, a different person with all my children. I was a baby where I had Molly.

You know, and then I was a different person when I had Heidi and Max Then it was old or I had DJ So you know everyone always says like This five was or they say two kids They're all brought up in the same house One went that way and one went that way No, you was never the same parents both of the children

You're not Because you go through a different stage of your life That changes you as a person Like how I treat DJ's completely different So I've treated the others I'm not softer on DJ where that's because the dad died. I've model called her,

but I have been strict with my children. No bullshit, no moaning, no winging. And the fact that that's what I've got back says at all, you know, they're the best five parts of me, the best versions of me. And I want them to just be their best individual selves that it could ever be. It's all I want.

That's all I want. That's my legacy right there. Yes. My kids. That's my mark on this world. Not me sat here telling a story, not me telling my truth. They're my legacy. That's my mark on this world.

And they seem like they adore Paola. I think they might love him more than me. I'm not going to lie. They do. They're absolutely doing. He's like an older brother to him. I had to. My dear, I love you.

That was beautiful. That was so precious. That was beautiful. And I think this is the perfect time to bring Palo in. Have you ever noticed how many of your friends are sitting on great business ideas? It's usually nothing to do with thinking their idea isn't good enough and everything to do with the execution side feeling a bit too technical. But with our show sponsor, Shopify, so much of the technical side is taking care of for you.

It enables you to set up your own online store without a developer. You just pick a store template, customize it to your own branding, upload some product photos, set your prices, and you're live. Shopify looks after your payments, inventory, orders, returns. It even helps with calculating shipping rates. And if you also want help selling your products, Shopify's built-in tools, write product descriptions, create email campaigns, and schedule social posts for you too.

It makes the technical part of running a business so much easier. So give it a try to do it. yourself and sign up for your one pound per month trial and start selling today at shopify.co. . . . . . . look at this. He's here for the sleepover. Yeah, Kerry did say that this would be a very, a very long show, so I thought I'd come dressed for the occasion. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. We all have that dream trip. We've been wishing we could go on, but too often life or usually price, gets in the way. That's why Priceline is here to help you turn your dream trip into reality. With up to 60% off hotels and up to 50% off flights, you can book everything you need for your next adventure. Don't just dream about that next trip.

Book it with Priceline. Download the Priceline app or visit Priceline.com and book your next trip today. Ryan Reynolds here from MintMobil, the message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please for the level, everything good in this world, stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird. Okay, one judgment.

Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Up front payment of $45 for three-month plan, equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See full terms at Mintmobile.com. We're on matching. I can borrow the eye masks as well. That's the land is.

You got the high mask? Yeah, you know, I see already this. That's nice. Because Carrie, she was just talking about how her safe space is your chest. I'm quite childlike with Palo. Let me take this off. It's a bit small on him. Yeah, yeah, it was a bit tight.

It was massive arms. Especially around the arms. Yeah, it was a bit tight. It was a bit tight. Thank you. Thank you for coming. But I will also say, you were here. The last time that Kerry was here, you were just off camera.

Yeah. He came off the way to, weren't it? Yeah, it was a long one that one, babe. It was a long one. I mean, you know, when we spoke in the morning, you said, oh, you know, we'll be probably done by 1pm. That was at 9 in the morning. You was.

I was nervous. And I sat in the hotel working. I was like, listen, I'll be, I'll work here. I'll work for you to come back. So I rang her at like one saying, you know, a message, how are you getting on? She rang me, said, babe, I think you should come here. We're only a third of the way through. I said, don't sit in that hotel on your own

because you had to check out the room, you see. So I was like, oh, and I went, can some go get a pile of from the hotel? Because I've got a funny feeling going to be here for a while. Look at that, and he came right over, waited for you. Yeah, it was heavy for you, that one, it bribes. And that journey home, it's amazing, the contrast of person from what you guys had on the show.

And obviously it was very deep, and there was a lot of, Kerry gave a lot. But the minute she got in the car, it was like, fum. Interesting. And, you know, I explained a few times I understood how she was feeling in that moment, having to express and talk about trauma. And all I said was, you know, we don't have to talk. Just, you know, we'll go for a little bit of food if you feel up to it.

And we'll be in 30 minutes after the food. We had a little laughing a joke, didn't we? And then, you know, we're pissing ourselves in the room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, it was... He's very good.

Very good. Knowing what I need without me having to us. Yeah. All right. So this is a relationship that I think so many people are fascinated by. First, because you met on a dating show. It's fucking mad in it. Which is mad.

And you know what's wild too is that most people who meet on dating shows don't stay together. Yeah. Right? So YouTube meet. And I think what the audience saw was that the audience saw was that the world is that you know what it's wild, is that it's that you that. this real rawness and we saw two people fall in love. Yeah, 100%. Look at your face.

Yeah, it was, it was, it was really nice. You know, and you don't, you don't realize that the impact and how invested people get, because when you're in the moment, you know, it's like if you just focused on where you're going and what you're doing, you're living in the moment, you know, you're living with what's going on, but everybody else is experiencing that as well.

So they're all bought into this, you know, this story. Yes. This love story. You know, it sounds really weird. Like when we watch it back, we were watching it like this. We were like, oh my God. And I can't watch. Oh my God.

Because I was so vulnerable with my feelings. I've never been like that, especially when it comes to love on TV with somebody I met. And I really, really, I can't explain this energy that we have. I've blown away by it. Yeah. I think we all are. And how quickly it happened.

I think that now I know each of you individually, right? And I understand how well matched you are. But I think the quickness of how close you became, that was what surprised me. Yeah. I mean, it's not felt really quick. That's a thing. It felt really like organic. It wasn't like, right, we need to achieve this now.

And we need to get there now. Everything was like, it was like water. It was like a stream going down. It was like everything that has happened along the journey has just felt right in the moment to do. How do you feel the reception from the media has been to your relationship with Kerry? To be honest, I think it's been quite positive. I think like Kerry always talks about is, you know, Kerry has evolved so much over the last few years from where she was to where she's now. Now, I didn't know Kerry before, but I know Kerry's so.

I know Kerry is. I know all the values and, you know, all the characteristics of Kerry have always been there. But like anybody who goes through trauma, you project it sometimes in ways that aren't always correct. And with Kerry being in the public eye, you know, that sells stories.

So it was easy to create a narrative of Kerry as this car crash or whatever. Always a little bit. No, you were, but you own that as well. But I think where Kerry is now and the work she's done on herself, the media really love Kerry because they don't have to paint her in a negative light anymore. They can talk positively about her and it's well received. It's like the nation get behind it.

You know, they're seeing how happy Kerry is and how much she's worked on herself. You know, and I think that's equally as impactful as a negative story about a person. So us coming together and the nation seeing how, organic and naturally it's been as obviously increased that I find it really weird when we talk about

the nation and shit like that because for me it's not been like that at all for me it's just been me and him and the kids it's just been me and a kid's like slow school dating feels like a lifetime ago but what about the articles

because and I will say this is I feel like surprisingly there's been overwhelmingly positive response to the two of you I thought especially when you left. I remember pulling you aside at the finale.

I was like, look, man, they're going to come after you. And talk about the age difference, they're going to do all this. Now, there have been a few of those articles, but I think overwhelmingly, though, it's been supportive. I've never had the public so invested in somebody I'm with, ever. Yeah. Never. Yeah. And it's, for me, it's not father.

It's so lovely and beautiful. But when I hear those words from my Heidi, you know how much my children love Paolo and seeing what, it's almost like him and his children let a spark. Yes. Fire. Yes. And not only enlightened me, it enlightened my kids. Yes.

And it kind of brought us all back together because I kind of got stuck in a rutpole. You know, from where I was with my ex to, you know, I was always away. I was, you know, and I was so family-orientated. Like, we'll sit around the table. Like, it's like Christmas Day every day. I tried to push for that, especially one day. if we're both at home and the kids to keep that up like we did like we did because it was we were gonna have a

barbecue on Sunday because the weather was nice right English English weather barbecue 12 degrees sunshine oh Paul's got his stuff yeah yeah literally Paul's in his can of the goose jacket hot water ball freezing but see see now you're rubbing off on it there's two of that there's two that ball that's this game over never coming back but I think That's very important to create that family unit because, as you know, kids now, social media, they've become a lot more detached from the communication skills that we, I'm very lucky. I was probably the last generation of communication.

No, but seriously, like, I think we, you know, we played out. We had the best of both of those, you know, technology starts to come along. Whereas now, from, you know, 8, 9, 10, 11, they've all got, you know, phones or iPads or whatever. And I think we're so detached from communicating And it's quite scary because that's only going to get worse. Yes. So for me, being from an Italian background, you know, for me a Sunday, was always about going to my granddad's, you know, pasta on the table,

nice food, and we'd sit there and we wouldn't be able to leave until we'd eat at least two bowlfuls. Look at that. And that stuck with me. So for me implementing that or trying to implement that. It's key. And on that note, I have another surprise. He's full of surprises today, he's Paul.

All right, ready for this? This is one of my favorites. Bam. Oh, that was a birthday. Oh, that was a birthday. Okay, so in this, though... That was my 21st. What, describe for everyone just listening via audio,

what is happening in this photo and what does it mean to you? So, I don't know if we can show any of the cameras I think any of the cars I picked this up. Unfortunately, I started the tour that day on my birthday. Oh, you did. So we couldn't really celebrate or do anything because the first day, night of the tour was the 6th of September. Wow, I was 18 for September.

And so that was my last day at home. And it was also my birthday. So we organized school for birthday breakfast. So that's... When I say, don't socialize, that's my social life. Yes. That's it. It's Max's girlfriend there, Heidi.

Melani, Nola I DJ and then Molly Lily was on FaceTime and that's a beautiful picture that I love that That was one of our That was one of the pictures We've got so many of these

Yeah But obviously that was probably one of the first images Where we were together As a family after the show It was one of the, probably the first image that we had As a full blended family Having luncheiler

And the the outreach on that one was huge It was a bit I remember that one specifically That was really Yeah Because, Pella, so you had two children prior to Carrie, Carrie, you had five. So coming together, we could create a certain FC. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God, God hold on. Yeah? It's not a long play, though. Full football. I like that. I like that. You're back about good graces. I like that.

I like that. But yeah, but it's, you have seven children between the two of you. Christmas is great, wasn't it? Oh, that was chaos. Seven kids. Yeah. Got them all. How do you manage a blended family at that size?

Well, I think people forget, like, Molly Lilly's moved out, you know. Heidi's 19. Yeah. Max is always with his girlfriend. They're all, and like, Davin's together as long as we have now. Max has the annex. So he's got his own local apartment are, Max. He's set up brilliant up there.

His girlfriend's got it. He's so good to her and he bought her vanity desk. And he, yeah. So they got that side, haven't they? So I'm actually on my own quite a lot. How do you manage the age difference or does that not come up at all? I think that was just one that carries things to have a reason not to push forward. I really do believe that.

I think that was just another one of her barriers at the time. Like I bring it a Paul. No. Oh, look at my. I'm Italian Paul? He's a star student, I tell you. You got to listen, man. So you think she was just using age as an excuse?

Do you know I'm here, my case? I do, I do believe, I do, get comfy, babe, put your legs up. I do, I do believe so. I do, I do think so because, you know, I bring the joke up like I did the post the other day about her in 2000s, me in 2000s. Quite different. She called me a wanker. Dick. Dick.

Dick. But it's funny. Yeah, and I think you don't necessarily see the age gap. I think, I don't notice it too. I don't notice. I need it. I think I needed, I need it. I need.

I needed Kerry my life. I needed carry. I needed the maturity. And somebody, again, somebody who's gone through what they've gone through because of my journey. I remember you falling asleep in my arms

and me spoon in here. She's giving me so much. She's like, I never go sleep first. I literally, he fell asleep in my arms and I held him. Stroking my head. Look at that. Like a baby.

I was breastfeeding. I loved it. I enjoyed it. You were? I'm sure you were. I'm sure you were. What I'm curious about is... Can I go watch on the monitors?

No, no, no, no. This is good for you to be here to react. I'm just trying not to get involved. In real time. It's very difficult. Is that there are, I would presume, a significant number of people who believe they have this kind of parissocial relationship with Carrie.

Like through, maybe if they subscribe through OnlyFans, they feel like they have an emotional bond. Like Paul does. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Put Paul's on there, you know? both of you are wild right how do you manage that knowing that there are people who believe they have this relationship with carry but don't to be honest i just have to make sure that i support and offer carry the protection that i can you know the level of protection that i can because obviously it's a

crazy world and there's a lot of crazy people out there um you know and unfortunately we've carry who carries with regards of only fans or not, there is going to be people who send wild messages and have this fantasy that they are, you know, connected to carrying some way. So it's quite challenging at times. It's quite like, you know, seeing people say what they say to carrying messages, it can be quite not a bit,

not triggering, but, you know, that's my... It's so easy going with it, though. That's my partner that I want to make sure he's protected and safe. But she's a big, Oh man, she'll bat him if I needed to. She could knock anyone out, honestly. She pretends, look at the look in her eyes. Oh, honestly, you can see the look.

Yeah, I don't. She's, she's... I love it. She is tough. Yeah, she's resilient, she's tough, and, you know, all I can do is support her the best I can. Have you ever been in a situation where maybe you're out in public and someone got a little too close to carry

and you had to give him a... There was one... Our second date and that guy said. like shout, Renee, he says, go dating. Yeah, on celebs go dating. Yeah, we was outside. Okay. And I, actually was like, in date, won't it?

And this guy was like, flesh and bun, and he was shouting, like, a bit derogatory stuff towards Kerry. Yeah. And I just obviously didn't really know Kerry that well at that point, but I just said, look, you know, just stand in the doorway and, you know, I'll stand here and if, you know,

if you want me to say something to him, I will, but she's like, now you don't need to. The only other time there's been something like that was, me and Kerry was out on a date in London. and obviously Kerry's beautiful, like she's pretty, you know, she gets attention of people. She does, yeah. So like when she's dolled up, she looks amazing as well, you know what I mean, like when she's out. That's why.

You look at this anyway. But you even say this. Do you remember this morning? What he said to me this morning, Ben. I get my words mixed up in the morning, Paul. You know how we just woke up, you know, we just woke up and a new woman's in your face. Morning, babe, we need to go to the shops today. We need to go buy presents for everyone.

We should buy that house in my beer. You know, we should, do I mean? So, like, I'm like, I just walk up. But anyway, so there was only one time where these guys were shouting something at the top of the stairs. They were upstairs in this club where the toilet wants to go upstairs.

And I could hear, you can hear Kerry a mile off. Where was this? It was in, in the club went for Heidi's birthday. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was sat downstairs around the corner and I could hear. I could hear him. I could hear some commotion

and I could hear it on the stairs. I made it loud so I never could hear me. And then when she came down, And I just said, you know, you're all right, is everything right? It's like, oh, you're just some boisterous guys upstairs. Nothing else of it. Then it got busier and these lads must have come downstairs. And prior to us leaving, we'd always just had a couple of drinks celebrating Heidi's birthday.

She's been to watch magic. Kerry's just polite to everyone. Like, Kerry is just, you know, polite. And as we were walking, they were, like, quite rough-looking lads. Like, there were a couple of them. Kerry had gone up and said, oh, this is my partner. And I shook this guy's hand firm. And he didn't like it because he was obviously, particularly.

essentially jealous and he's like why he's shaking my hand like that trying to start something and I just said you know shake everyone's hand firm it's respect and confidence and and and and and then he said to his mate he says oh shake he's on like that so I did exactly the same and then the next thing the one of the lads was on the phone and within five minutes 20 or 30 lads had run through the door to these boys oh my good carry out no notice she's oblivious so I I was in a bit of a panic then because you know I'm on my own the situation and there'd been a couple of fights in this place already. Yeah.

Right night. Oh my goodness. So I just saw... This is to fight this person because we don't go out like that. I just... No, we don't go out. That's the thing.

And so I just, I was like, I pushed Kerry. I said, get in the taxi now please. So she got in the taxi. And I was panicky. I was a bit crossed because I was like, we've created a situation there that didn't need to happen.

Yeah, I was like, what are you playing at? And I didn't mean it out of nastiness. I was just, I could see that. Got about that? Two minutes later, I could have been in a very sticky situation. Yes.

On my own. You know, I don't need that, do you know what I mean? I don't need that. And this is one of the reasons why I isolate. But you know, I'm as well equal, if somebody is coming to me with a bit of disrespect, I won't say or project myself, but I'll hold myself, well, do you know what I mean? I'm not going to be bullied.

Right. All right, so on this note, I have another surprise for you. I'm talking out what's on Mary Popper's looking so far. It is? This is. Now, you could say as much or as little as you want, but as a good interview. I know. Interviewer, I have to present this.

I know what this is. I know what this is. There's going to be four of us, I knew it. So, so, so. No, no, no, no. They're AI. We wasn't actually there.

Oh, there is made. Also, so you have AI now. Yeah. No, we did it do. I met Elon last week, you know. I have no comment. I am not giving this any oxygen. There you go.

We love Kate. That's it. I love Kate's a bit. I really love Kate. I think she's amazing. That's all I've not giving it any oxygen. I don't agree with all the choices she makes. Do you know what, Kate, one on one as a person?

Amazing. It's amazing, right? I've met her, you know, enough times to make a judgment of her. I think she's an incredible person. I really do. I think she wants to be loved. I think she deserves to be loved. I really genuinely, sincerely mean that,

and I think she's an amazing person. And Kerry speaks nothing but good about Kate. She's... I'll believe it there. You know what? That's all that's needed, because... Because it's not my story to tell her, Paul. Yeah. All right, so then let's move on.

Yep. Are you two moving to Spain? The plan's there. Yeah, the plan's there. The plan potentially is there. Like moving, moving or really? I wanted to move there. I wanted to move out of the UK. No, I did. No, I did. Listen, I found Dunbas Pilpill first. No, Donbos Pilpil's mine.

I'm saying. Danielle will tell you, right. So this is the thing. We are like two feet and a potty. I mean, no, I can see this. This is, this is. This is a weird. The weirdest thing ever. This is the invisible line theory.

Invisible string theory. It's so crazy. You could not make this up. So, June before we started filming, Sosco dating, I was supposed to move into Spain. I looked at an apartment in Estopona. Didn't end up doing it.

Went for a break-up. Blah, blah, blah, blah. All that shite. Previous years to that, I've been going to Estopona and rented a penthouse, checking the children. and I'm renting a normal house

in this really beautiful area there's no tourist or anything, right? It's where I wanted to move with the kids. Okay. Turns out the building that I'm writing this apartment, Palo owns the apartment in it, and he's like going to be,

like... It's just... We've got an apartment block. There's an apartment block and we own an apartment there and there are two or three blocks down in the same apartment. I stayed there with my children

and in the bed house. And then we went there to do the plant medicine and said, oh, this is so weird how have we never met? And then we're walking to get a coffee because like Powell thinks this is a secret place that knows I've seen before.

I know. It's my secret place. I know like the back of my hand is gone, there's a restaurant but you don't have been and went, the woman about pictures and I've been.

You know, it's... Steering my thunder, you know what I mean? It's just so crazy and then we're walking back from getting a coffee. Kerry? Like, yeah? He said, you don't remember me, do you?

I went, no, he said, I was, your lawyer, I've had many. When you were married to Mark Croft. We started chatting away on that. He said, oh, we've got an apartment just over there. He told us what built, not let's help it, isn't it? It was the one underneath mine. It was one underneath it? And they've owned it for the same length of time he has.

Time they had? Wow. I mean, there's six points of separation. It's just, there's too many in sinks of our, I truly believe our souls are meant to be. I really truly, truly, truly. I truly believe. So then on this note, Pella, if I can ask you this.

Yeah, of course. Because this recurring theme in, at least what Kerry continues to say, is she can't believe that you want to, why would you want to be with her? Like I see this recurring theme. So I would imagine part of what you're thinking, Carrie, is why would you want to marry me? Because Kerry, easier. Because Kerry as a human being gives me everything that I've ever needed in a human person. in a human being.

All the things that I've missed out on. She's given me everything in one go, as well as a headache. Let me just put that in a minute. But she does. Kerry gives me everything that I need. And that's why what we've got is so beautiful. I think without us realizing,

we understood each other more. And this happens, you know, subconsciously, you can be, have a positive trauma bond with someone or a negative trauma bond. Yes. I've experienced a lot of negative trauma bonds

in my life. The only positive one I've ever experienced is with Kerry, where everything is not black and white, it's in colour. Like, everything that we experience together is in colour. And that's the only way that I can explain it to somebody is that she makes the picture colourful in more ways than one. It's just me glad. Yeah, it is. But, you know, if I could explain it, it turns a picture from black and white to colour. Yes.

And that's all I've ever wanted from a person is the support, understand. standing love, you know, and she gives me all of that in abundance. Have you ever felt this level of love in your life romantically? No, no, no. And I don't want to say that disrespectfully. You know, I've got two beautiful children from my ex-partner, you know, and we're getting on amazing. But I don't think I've ever had or experienced what Kerry gives me in a loving relationship.

Okay. And I'm very appreciative and grateful for that. I am, really. You know, even like the children, like her children, it's, you know, I'm. I'm not trying to be a father figure to them. I'm just treating them as I would my own children. But in a more grown-up way, which I've never done, it's a learning curve, right?

But, you know, even when taking Max out driving, buying him his first suit, you know, I bought him, it was a fucking expensive suit, but, you know, it deserved it as first suit. Her kids have been for a lot, and she's done an incredible job. Absolutely phenomenal. She has, on her own, incredible job.

And I'm just glad, you know, that I'm able to add value to her and had a, you know, a different perspective to the children as well and show them a love from somebody who's not the mother, you know? I'm not doing it to achieve anything. I'm just doing it because that's part of who I am.

Right. The identity, right? The identity, absolutely. I love it. Like, you know, seeing Max, like, taking him out for his drive, we took him out on his car the other day for the first time. And, you know, it was a really heartfelt moment

seeing how happy he was in the car. Like the kids don't come to the bedroom see me? They do, they do. No, they don't. Get up, boy. Get up, boy. It's nice. And it's been challenging, like, you know, to come in,

I felt very intimidated coming in because I had to build a relationship. And they had a great relationship with Ryan. Like, you know, fair play, they had an amazing relationship with Ryan. I'm not trying to compete with that. Right. It was hard. It was hard coming to that. I'm like, fuck you know, like, this is a lot.

Yeah, I think the challenge that you had was, it was like this long list of, okay, you're marrying into, you know. You know we're not married, right. You are, you are, you are, what do we say? You're committed dating. Well, actually, what would you call? Life partners. Life partners.

If he's constantly a girlfriend, it makes me want to tell us. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, what are you? No, I say my partner. Partner? Yeah, I feel about 12 when he calls me his skills, yeah. Oh, we do, honestly. So you're life partner? 100%.

That's where it is. Yeah. Do you believe you two will? get married. 100%. You know this because you've been asked the question of who's going to... I mean? How have you been asked?

Has he been asked? I don't know. Has he been asked? I thought you asked him the question of... No, no. I don't know. I don't know. I'd marry Powell and hopefully would just scare me.

Okay. It does scare me. So he says 100%. You said that. 100. It does scare me. I just scared. But you know, I want to make it clear that I mean,

there's no rush here, right? You know, there's comments from people. people saying if she was really the one why have you not proposed yet. Because I'll do it when I feel, well, because I've got till you 50. I'm getting old. I'm not walking down that bastard aisle with a Zimafra. I've got a 49 and a half, right? No, I'm not waiting that long, baby. Don't want soggy skin and a dress.

But all seriousness, like everything else has happened so naturally. I feel like to talk about it. Because everyone keeps asking in this question. It's like, don't feel bad. I can handle it. I know what it's kind of ruining it a little bit. It's like, let us do it in our time. you want to do it. It's all outside noise.

We've discussed what we want to do. We've discussed the plan. In fact, you're involved in it. Yeah. We want you. Now this is true. We want to go self-certified and we want you to marry us.

It's not April Fool. It's not April Fool. Don't put, I know a fucking certificate. Now I'm not getting married in my Jammer. For that, I've got another surprise. Actually, I have a surprise. We can get married right now. I'm certified.

Can we do this right now? Would you like to be married right now? You're lying. Would you like to be married right now? No, you're lying. Would you like to be married right now? Let's do it. No, no, about my kids.

You know, I respect that. Absolutely. Yeah, no, no. My kids have killed me. Yeah, in a heartbeat. Yeah. In a heartbeat. With my children there, my son will walk me down.

I think, I think it would be brilliant. Yeah. I think it had me so much. I think it's, we would. I was like, I just passed her, Marius. Yeah, I'd say, I'm going to wait for the call. and I will be there my Valenciaaga. So nice for his trousers.

Yeah, nice sue. Yes, yes, yes. I love it, I love it. And to your point, though, is on your own time. This is no one else's clock but yours. Like a deer in headlights. You're all going to come out. I was like, if my kids and your kids are here in a heartbeat,

but not about my children, never do that. That's something to kill me. Look at that. All right. So now talking about children, do you two believe that you will have more children? We spoke about this recently. We did the okay shoe and I said to Kerry. So Kerry had a traumatic birth with DJ, left a quite polar.

You know, life-written. Yeah, very life-riting. DJ was on life support for four days. Yeah. Yeah, but he said interrupted and I nearly died. It was already traumatized me. And there's a mother. I mean, she walked out, but.

I never know how to react to Carrie. Like, should I be laughing at this? Is it a joke? Is it real? So DJ, DJ stopped breathing when she was born. Soon she came out, thought something's not right with this baby. She was born with six fingers on each hand, which is from ancestry tribe, from George's tribe, from Nigeria.

Oh, wow. Okay. So it's something, I don't know. But she was, and she just stopped breathing. Yeah. And the adical CPR on her on her heart. Like, oh, it's horrendous. And then my sense erupted.

So I nearly died. And then she nearly died. And there was telling me to give the baby name. She's not going to make it. It was horrendous. But the doctor said to me, it was a one-off. It was, there was nothing, just one of those things. So, yeah, I would have a child with Kerry tomorrow.

I would, definitely. but it's got to be circumstantial to the fact that Kerry would be fit and healthy because it would be very selfish of me to want that with Kerry when she's got five beautiful, amazing children who love and need Kerry to be fit and healthy. And I didn't realize, and I didn't want any more kids. So the idea is amazing, the practicality has to be addressed and this quite looked into, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so. Yeah. So Kerry was unknowingly pregnant at the finale of Celebrity Gorda? Seriously, yeah, yeah. Found out in the morning. I could smell it on her. Like, weird. I said, you're pregnant.

I could smell it on her. On the finale. On the finale of celebs go date. I was weird. I found out of morning. I was like, you're pregnant? And she was like, no, I'm not. I kept getting these hormonal spots.

And we, I'm shaking. Yeah. We did a test in the night. And it said, no. I said, I'll do it early morning. And so we had the pen, you had an apartment at the hotel. I got up early, so I thought, go do my meditation, so I won't wake him up. And I peed on the stick.

This is an exclusive. No one has not gone public with this. Not told anybody this, apart from honor, don't get jealous. And nothing came up. So I went to doing meditation. I thought, I was going to pop this spot. I went back and like, no, no, no. No way. I ran and woke him up.

Seven years I never fell pregnant. Yeah. She was like, she was panicking then because she was like at the finale, she's like, everyone's going to know, everyone's going to know. Everyone's going to know. So like obviously then we went through it and said like, you know. And then the thought of having an abortion killed me. Because it wasn't intentional by the way.

But it felt like it was made from love. Yeah. Yes. I thought I couldn't have kids because seven years and never, never got pregnant. Not once. Not once. Not once. And so I thought, oh, I'm all right.

I'm at that age. Yeah. And unfortunately, I miscarried. Yeah. And then we tried. Okay, then you tried again. And we tried. Eventually told the girls and the kids,

not parlor's youngest ones, a lot obviously. But at that point then, I could sense the kids felt a bit uncomfortable about it. They were a bit nervous. But they eventually came around with it as well. They did, to an extent, I also acknowledged their feelings and what they were saying. And I didn't realize how much I'd miscarried again.

Only at four weeks. Yeah. And that was, I didn't realize how much I wanted it then. Yeah. And that was just before Christmas. Yeah. So then, yeah, it's just what, it's like, it's something now that. So I never thought I'd get pregnant.

I never, ever thought, if it happens, it happens. We went and got tested. I've got follicles. you know there's lots of you tried to nod in years i just wanted to know just you know and if it happens it happens if it doesn't he doesn't it's meant to be it's meant to be so time is right time is right okay um so i'm i'm very sorry to hear it's one of those things i mean it's never happened to me before you know to also to see what you two were going through in that moment now when i reflect back there was a lot more obviously happening than everyone's celebrating what's happening

you are. I was pregnant. Do you know what the crazy thing is, Paul? This is a great point as well. You don't, on a day-to-day basis, you never know what's going on in someone's life. So you should never judge anybody. And this is the thing like,

some people have so much going on. You know, you see them pictures of like a bird's eye view of loads of people walking in one place and each one's got something going through the head and the mind. You just don't know what's going on in someone's reality in that moment. And that's why... And we had to be so careful because we have mics on as well. It's important to just, you know,

treat everybody that you meet with the same level of respect. and just be kind, you know what I mean, in a world that's not very, is it? We're in a world that's not very kind right now. No, it's not. But the beautiful thing is I see that there's a higher level of kindness towards Kerry. There's a higher level of kindness now that's probably shepherded to you as a result of that. And that, and that to me is, and I love that. Like, I really, really love that.

I love that for both of you because I've interviewed many people who have had the the press literally destroy them to the point where they still relive the trauma and it impacts how they show up and they haven't been able to grow through it. And to my point earlier with you, Carrie, is that you've been able to grow through the trauma. Yeah. Oh, you don't need the shit. No, I don't need the shit. I actually don't need the shit. I'm so sorry for me. I tell you what, it's okay for me.

Carrie is the one who has an issue. He's not. My belly never makes, I know. It's like he wants to get involved. Yeah, it's like, hey. I want your thoughts, Lord. It's not growing in that. What do you think about marriage?

But, but, yeah, just, I think, I think it is, it is, it is beautiful to see this. Can I end then with the final question, but Kerry's already received this question. So she is now disqualified. from being able to answer this question. This is only Paolo's question. We're going to see if she can sit and not say a word. Paola, you've had some incredible conversations in your life. When you think about the most memorable, who was it with?

And what did you learn? There's a few in there. There's a few in there. I think actually one of the most impact. for conversations I actually had was in a beefer with Kerry where we was really opening up and talking about the past and one of my things was I really struggled with it in motion so I push it stuffed it in and I've always done that is something that I've always done stuffed it and stuffed it because not because I didn't want to show it's because I never I didn't know how to or I didn't

have the tools to be able to do it and even though I've done all the therapy and there was one conversation that we had and it was it was I'd asked myself a rhetorical question and it was the first time in probably in a long time I burst into tears inconsolably actually and it wasn't necessarily something that had been said to me but it was because we'd had a conversation and I asked myself a certain question it made me think and realize that maybe the answers I were looking for weren't from somebody else Maybe it was from inside of me and what I was doing with, you know, and creating with my children, you know, and the person I was becoming. So it wasn't necessarily something that someone had said.

It was a situation that I'd had with somebody that I really trust and confide and that had allowed me to ask myself that rhetorical question in that moment that opened a door that had never been opened. And that was really powerful. That was really impactful. I will say that like, you know, many, we love. seeing the two of you. It is...

I've said this is the longest of been, Kaya. This is so fucking difficult. You're doing amazing, man. You know what? Actually, I was going to say Carrie wasn't quiet throughout the whole thing.

Did you notice? She jumped in there. She goes out and she wants to talk about her boys. And then she pulled on them back. She was like, I'm just going to... I'm just going to... But you two are phenomenal together.

Truly, truly. Really. Carrie, I'm so happy to have known you for a long time. Right? But yeah, but to see the light and then to know

what the next chapter holds for you, right? And then Paolo, like you are just, you're 10-10. I appreciate you. You're 10-10. What I love, love, love, you just repeated what Carrie said

and that is, is that you can see the lessons in the mud, right? This is Carrie's through line. She wouldn't change a thing. She sees the lesson. She sees how it's become made her better you show up in life the same way you two are supremely perfect for each other and I can't wait for the wedding you'll be there up the front I mean I will be there round it feels like this is technically round three I believe I have never been roasted as much as in this conversation

and I enjoyed every second of it I had no idea that she had like the big production companies and networks reach out to her to cover her life story as a part of her first conversation with us. That is incredible, amazing. It needs to happen because she has such a profound story. The We Need to Talk community is so incredible on uplifting our guests. And for Carrie, walking into this space, she had never done a full-length podcast. She sits down, she bears her soul. She's thinking she will be judged or evaluated or critiqued, but here she is being uplifted and held and loved and respected as a result of that.

And that has happened because of how great our community is. So I think we're blessed and we're privileged to have such a kind community, you know, shocker, to learn that that they've had multiple miscarriages, but also that Carrie was pregnant during the finale filming of celebs go dating. And for Paolo to turn to Carrie, knowing that she's pregnant and to say, I am here for you,

was probably all she needed to know that he was authentically in love with her. And that, to me, goes to show that love will come at the most unexpected times in the most unexpected packages. We broke up because he thought I was having an affair. But you didn't want to break up with you. No. I have never, in 30 years, read a good headline about me. Never. Katie Price. Katie Price. Katie Price is a scandal. Every relationship I've been in, I've been

cheated on. And JJ, he's the most kindest, genuine person. But do I feel my most happiest. I have never heard anyone that has the life experience that you have and is standing today. The police said to us, you're so lucky that you weren't killed. I took coke because it blocked everything and then I tried to commit suicide. I had a black eye and marks around my neck. What the fuck are you doing, Kate? I would never wish it on my worst enemy. If I got through it, anyone can, but you have to want to do it. There's so much. my life that I smile about that no one knows really what I have achieved. I work hard, I'm single mum, I'm on the shit, I don't need a man.

Can I give you a little surprise? Oh, what the f*** have you done?