We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - The Dating App Match That Changed My Life!

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

This Valentine’s Day, Perrie Edwards and Nadiya Hussain share two deeply personal and very different journeys to finding their life partners, from a dating app match that felt like fate to an arranged marriage rooted in faith, family and courage. Together, they reflect on heartbreak, healing and what real security in love actually looks like. We’re Talking love stories. (00:00) Intro (00:42) Perrie Tells Paul the Story of How She Met Her Husband Alex (04:28) Perrie Breaks Down Her Negative Behaviors in the Early Days of Her Relationship with Alex (08:45) When Did Perrie and Alex First Talk About Marriage? (12:27) Nadiya Explains Her Experience of Her Arranged Marriage to Her Husband Abdal (23:14) The First Time Nadiya Was Alone With Abdal (27:48) How Did Nadiya and Abdal Make Their Relationship Work After the Marriage? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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joining us are Perry Edwards and Nadia Hussein, sharing two very different and deeply personal stories of how they met the men they'd build a life with from a dating app match that felt like fate. To an arrange marriage rooted in trust and courage, this episode explores what love really looks like. This week we're talking love stories. Where did you meet, Alex?

The girls made me go on a dating app. and I'm not I'm not good at being a single gali like I was and it was fun and I went on dates but I just think because I wasn't ready everyone just give me the egg and everyone just like I just didn't I don't think I wanted it I don't think I was ready but then I got to the point where I felt so alone

and I was like I don't think I'm good at being single I think I'm a relationship person like I need that other person But I felt like, yeah, I loved it. I felt independent. I had a great time. But then I was like, I want to meet my person now. Okay.

I think it's time. So it's dating up. Dating up. So you're on there. Yeah. And so you see Alex? Mm-hmm. Okay.

And then you message him or he messages you? The girls recognized him because they went to a game years ago. And he was at the game. The girls were at the game. And then the TV people were like, oh, it would be really cool if we had like a footballer. interview like a pop group do you want to do it? And like obviously now I know he was like, is the blonde one there?

Is the blonde one there? And they were like, no. And he was like, okay, I'll do it because he had a bit of a crush on me at the time. So the girls met him, thought he was really funny. They were having a bit of banter. And then when he came up on rear, Jesse was like, it's that guy.

And I'm like, who? And just like, oh, well, he's really nice. You used to match him. And I was like, what does he do? Who is he? We had no idea who he was. Oh, really? I don't come from a family of like football hoologun fans either.

Never watched football in my life. So obviously it was him. And it wasn't until I was actually on a date with somebody else at the time. Someone I was seeing for a little while. And his name popped up on my phone. He randomly texted me while I was out at dinner. And the guy I was with was like, Alex Soxley Chamberlain just text you.

And I was like, hmm? And he was like, the Alex Oxley Chamberlain plays for England. England and Arsenal and I was like, is that good? I don't know. And I was like, anyway, we don't need to worry about him. That's, though. How is he seeing what's on your phone? Yeah, that's what I thought.

But we had that one at red flag. But he probably wants you to answer it. But he probably was just a bit like, oh my God. Like sausage chamberlain's messaging you. But at the time, I was like, is that a big deal? I don't know. And it wasn't until I started dating him that he kept getting asked for pictures when we were out. And I thought, what?

And then I looked into it. him and went on YouTube and stuff, but and I had a little stoke, you know. I just remember meeting him thinking, don't think anything of it, Perry. Don't go into it thinking, oh, he's going to be the one, just date him, see what happens. But I remember meeting up with him for the very first time

at Cirque Nightclub. Okay. Yes. And I got there with Leanne and some of her friends, and I remember getting out of the car and he was stood in the doorway waiting to, like, meet us to take us to the table. And I remember, like, pinching Leanne. And I was like, I think I love him.

Immediately. Immediately. I've gone from, don't expect anything. Don't even get into it. He's a footballer. I don't go there. And I've seen him. And I was like, uh-oh.

And it's the first time I'd felt like that in such a long time. I was like, oh, my God, I actually fancy him. I didn't fancy anybody. Like, I think because I went through so much, I was like, nope, everyone gives me the ick. Don't even want to know it. And then he was just completely different. And he was really charming, really funny, so charismatic. really holds a room well

he's confident but not cocky with it like he's just got every he was ticking every box like without even trying and I fell from pretty quick yes but how did you because you talked about those negative behaviors yes that you picked up

yes so what were some of those that you exhibited early in your relationship with Alex probably like if something happened I'd be worried how he'd react to such thing. Okay. And he'd be like...

I mean, can you give an example? Like little things might happen. And I'd think, oh, no, he's going to like kick off. He's not going to like this. And I'd be like, oh, this happened. And he'd be like, all right. And it would throw me. It was, he was like, he's very mature.

He's very laid back. He's very level-headed. He doesn't... He's not the type to get mad or get angry or get funny about things. Very rarely we'll ever argue. We're practically in reverse the pair of us. Like we're so chilled.

I see. And I, in my head was a bit like, oh, he's going to be so annoyed about this or, oh, this is going to really piss him off. And it never did. And he was so chilled. And I'd be like, oh, okay. Okay. And it was refreshing.

It was nice. So it seems, and you're not saying this. I'm saying this. This is my interpretation is that from the previous relationship, you felt like you were walking on eggshells. almost. Yes. And then you enter this relationship thinking you have to walk on eggshells.

Yep. And you're like, hold on for a second. I'm like, wait a minute. This is weird. I can, yeah, I can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We could talk about things. Yeah. calmly. Yeah. So did you feel like you were then pushing him away at all? Yes.

Yes. I think so, yeah. I think I was just a bit like, oh. You don't care kind of thing? But at the same time, I'm like, wait, no, this is good. Like, he's so calm and he's so lovely and he's so approachable. It's like, it's a good thing, if that makes sense. Yes.

And I remember there was one point my ex reached out and I didn't know how to handle the situation because I'd been with Alex for like a year and a half, two years. And I felt a bit uncomfortable about it. And I remember sweating and, like, panicking, thinking, and I've got to tell him that, obviously, I've spoke to him. Yes. And I remember being terrified thinking, oh, no.

And then I sat down and I was like, I need to tell you something. He was like, okay, is everything all right? I was like, yes, such and such reached out today. And it was really weird. And he was like, same what? So I told him everything. And then he was like, okay, well, I really appreciate you telling me. Like, thank you for letting me know.

That's fine. Like, hopefully he doesn't contact you again. And I was thinking, okay? That's it. And that's that. That was it. And it was like he's always kind of been like that. Yeah.

And I think I needed that. Yeah. It is, it is, you know, I'm thinking about how to say this. It's like, I think for many people, right, you hear about the importance of being in healthy, secure relationships. And I think what's very important for everyone to know is that you could be as secure as, Like, you grew up, it sounds like you grew up with secure love with your mother. Yes. And your father, right?

But you could enter a relationship being a secure, what's called a secure attachment style. And if that person is not, you will then shift. You will then become unsecure. You could become avoidant, right? Or you could become something else. but once you move back to a relationship with a secure partner, you can then become secure again. And I think the beauty of that is, well, there's a beauty and a danger.

The beauty and the danger is that who we choose as our partner is, in my opinion, the most important decision of our life because it dictates our health, our happiness, how much money we make, how long we live, right? And so that's why having a partner who is healthy is so, so important. And it sounds like you have that with Alex. Yeah. And so in the early stages of that relationship, did you begin to think about, I may want to marry this guy?

Yes. You did? Yes. Okay. I was thinking I hope he asks. Okay. So you had those conversations? Yeah.

Yeah, we did really early on. But he didn't propose until six years later, but, you know, we won't get into it. But he proposed, though. Yeah, he made me wait, but it was worth it. But we always knew we were going to be together forever, I think. How? Where we hoped. How did you know it, though?

I think we just get each other. We understand each other. We support each other. There's no competition. It's very much just, I want to see him win. He wants to see me win. We want to build each other up. We want to build an empire together.

And it's all very equal, which is what I've not really had in a relationship before. So I feel like we're even, Stevens, which is nice. And he's just so supportive of me. Like everything I do, he's my biggest fan. He knows my album, probably better than my A&R, better than my label, better than anyone. He will notice if someone's changed the production on something

or the lyric changes or, or he's so just such a fan of mine, if that makes sense. And I love that. And it's so nice having someone in my corner being like, and he's also a very confident person with like business. And in his career, he's had to be very like outspoken in certain situations. And that's not me either. I hate confrontation.

I avoid confrontation. I don't like arguments. I just cry. Like as soon as someone starts arguing with me, I don't, like, I can't. it, like I can't do it. I'm not good at arguing with people. If I have a point to get across, then yeah, I'll sit and I'll hold it together and I'll get it across. But I've learned a lot from Alex because I was a push over for a very long time. And he's like, babe, you don't need to be a push over. You need to stand up for yourself and you need to be heard in these situations.

And I'm like, but I can't. He's like, yes, you can. And he's really helped me like come out of my shell with that kind of stuff. So when you think about your love for each other, yeah, because so many people have not experienced love. Yes. I'm talking about pure, blissful, romantic love. Yes. How would you describe the love that the two of you have?

Safe. It's calm. It's positive. It's not that horrible pit in your stomach that you need to. to like get the love. It doesn't feel that way. It's like you just accept it because it just comes, if that makes sense. So it's like it's lovely. It might sound boring to Sam,

but it's just so unproblematic. And I love that. We're not problematic people whatsoever in our relationships. That's a very accurate description of what love is. Yeah. True. Everyone is like, yeah, people are like,

it's kind of boring. It's unproblematic. Yeah. It's safe. Like those are the descriptors for love. That's what you want when you have to deal with such a stressful world. You want to be able to come back to a refuge. Yeah, and have that certainty and that safety.

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And I'm like, that's me! Yes I get it Yes You fall in love with the voice Yes I get it Yes

So could you describe it Because for many people It is foreign to them Yeah It's It's It was surreal I can't believe I did it

I can't believe I did that at 19. Like, it's insane. My father-in-law and my dad were friends. Okay. And then they said, oh, I've got a son and I've got a daughter. And we kind of connected and managed to get each other's numbers. Okay. At 19?

Yeah. Okay. And then I had a conversation with him. And we ended up, we started with something. It was meant to be like a quick 15, 20-minute conversation. And it ended up being three hours. and I kind of walked away and I was like, oh, I think I might have found my person. Like everything aligned.

Okay. And this is just over the phone. Yeah. So you'd no idea what he looked like. Nope, no idea. He had no idea what you look like. Okay. But the voice?

Yeah. And he had a strong northern accent and I love a northern accent. And he said something and he was counting in tens. Don't ask me why he was counting in tens and what we were talking about. I can't even remember. but he said 20, 30, 40. And I was like, oh, my God, I like this. I just loved his accent.

It was really cool. What were you determining in that conversation? Was it whether this would be a spouse or, like, what were you determining? Well, my aim was not to build a family or any of that. My aim was to get out the house. It was the only way I was going to get out and get freedom and be able to do whatever I wanted. It was by marrying someone. someone. So I was like, well, to be honest, here's my means to a way out, really. Like, I needed an exit and he was my exit.

Wow, he was your exit plan. Yeah. I just didn't know that he was going to be that good looking. Oh. Yeah. So I was like, okay, so he kind of spoke for a month, every day for a month. Okay. And we had lots of fun conversations. I could tell he was, and he loved, he loved movies, I love movies. he was really into fitness he played squash and it was like hated watching football and I was like yes

when I will not be a football widow no thank you so I was like yeah he didn't watch football so it was great for me so in a month we kind of established that we we had a connection there was no love

it was just very much clearly there's a connection we kind of we were very much it was a tick box exercise we were ticking tick and ticking and ticking Then we decided to exchange photos.

And that was back in the day when it was like JPEGs. You remember when it was like used to download? My kids are like, what? I'm like, yeah, you know, like pieces of it used to download. It was so much fun because it was like a blind date. When his photo came in. Yeah, it was like downloading. And I got his foot first for some reason.

I was like, come on, give me the face. And it was like, and he was tall. And he was just instant attraction. instant attraction. I was like, he's hot, like straight away. And I was my turn to send a picture. And I said, I'm just warning you, I've got dark skin. And he said, yeah, okay, he goes,

I don't know if you realised I'd never asked you once about your appearance in the last month. I didn't care about you. I really like who you are. And obviously it's important to be attracted to each other, but I did not ask about your skin colour. And I said, and I'm not super, super skinny. And he said, yeah, I also did not ask about that. Like, I don't know why you're saying that.

So I'm pre-warning him. Right. Because that's kind of colorism is rife in us, in our culture. If you are dark, you are considered less marketable, less likely to get a husband. That's something that I think plays out in so many cultures of color. Yeah. Where you see this color spectrum and the fairer you are. the more marketable, the smarter, the whatever you are.

And then the darker you are, it's almost the opposite of that. And it plays out in every community. I'll never forget, I was in Jamaica with my boys. And we were in the Blue Mountains, actually, we were over here in the Blue Mountains. And there was a rasta, old Rastafarian, right? Dark, like beautiful, dark, like mahogany. dark. And he saw my youngest, so my youngest son, Liam, is a darker complexion. He's my complexion. Yeah. My oldest son, Kingston, is a lighter complexion, same as complexion as my wife.

And there was this conversation that was happening around complexion. Okay. And I think this gentleman, he, he, he, he thought that my youngest had overheard this. Okay. And he pulls my, you know, He pulls my young boy, Liam, and he says, you see these berries. He says, the darker, the berry, the sweet of the juice. Yes. Love that. He was like, that's how you get, that's the best berry right there. And you can see, you know, my son kind of light up, you know, on that.

But it is, this is what happens in our community. So I can imagine, though, but your parents, though, applying that pressure. Yeah. One of the first things my dad said to my father-in-law was, I'm just letting you know that she has got dark skin. And, you know, my father was like, look, you know, never mind, we'll see what happens. And then we met, so his family came to my family home. And we met.

We didn't actually meet everyone's sort of sat together. And I'm upstairs getting dressed. But I'm sure you're listening. I know and you know because my husband told me off. Oh, okay. So I'm upstairs. Yeah, I'm upstairs getting dressed. And so there's this whole thing with an arranged marriage where you come down and you sit in front of everybody and everybody looks at you.

Wow. It's really weird. Please break this down from me. I'm so fascinated by this. So who was in the room before you got there? His entire family, so brothers, brother's wife, nephews and nieces. And he's one of seven. So a few of them came, not all of them, just a few.

And my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, and an elder, so an elderly relative of theirs. And from our side of the family, it was my mom, dad, siblings and my brother-in-law at the time. So at the time, quite small, but all the necessary people are there. And before you get there, what are they doing? It's a discussion, but is it almost even a negotiation? Yes. So they're negotiating, you know, a dowry. They're negotiating, you know, date.

They're talking about dates and how much money will be spent on the way. on the wedding outfits and gold, they talk gold because they have to give me gold and they have to negotiate how many grams of gold I get. So they negotiate all of that amongst themselves, but not till they see me. They've got to see me first. Okay. So, and I'm like shaking like a leaf because I like this guy and he's perfect for me. But his family might not think I'm perfect for him.

So that could sway him or change his mind. It felt like a meat market. It was odd. And I'd seen my own cousins do these kinds of things. And I've always been really uncomfortable with them. Because I think it's just weird and uncomfortable and feels really degrading. My husband handed me a gold bracelet as a way of saying that he wants to proceed. So he gave me this gold bracelet, tried to put it off.

but couldn't fail. He was shaking as well. And then somebody else put it on and they asked me to leave. And so I got up and left. And then I got really brave and I said, can I just have two minutes to talk to him by myself, please? And my dad was like, no, this is not the dumb thing. We don't want to do this. And then Abdel piped it up and he said, look, I'd like two minutes with her, please, because I've literally laid, I haven't been able to really lay eyes on her because everybody's in the room and they're expecting him to be, they're expecting him not to like, oh, just look at me because it's, it's rude and disrespectful, but also weird because they're all sat in the room looking at me as well. Oh, interesting. So he's in front of you, but he's not supposed to look at you.

He's supposed to kind of like, like, in a kind of like a coy, shy, cute kind of way. Okay. But he goes, but I actually really want to see her properly? Can I just have a look at, can I just, can I just talk to her? And so I had to have chaperones in the room with me. So my brother, who was 10 at the time and my sister who was 15 or 16 at the time they were both sat in the room playing on some sort of console and he I went upstairs and he came into the room and he just said oh my god you're so beautiful that was our first ever interaction and then he said I think we're getting married and that was it those were the two sentences he said and we were in the room for about three minutes and they just took him away.

You took away. And that was it. We met each other. That's the first time three minutes. And they set the wedding date for 10 days after that. And so we got married in my mom and dad's house. So it's a very quick, an Islamic marriage is very quick. Goodness.

Okay. And we're not actually in the same room. We say our vows separate. Do you? Yeah. You're not even in the same room because you're not allowed to really be together until you're married. So you're married. And then do you agree?

Is that really your father's decision if he accepted? Is it yours or your father's? It's with all the conditions, it's up, it's, it's, it's, the person who's getting married, it's their decision. So it's, do you agree to the terms? Do you agree to the dowry? Do you agree to the money?

Do you agree to look after this man's daughter? Do you agree? And then I said, well, we're married now, so please can I be in a room with the man? And so we had, or we, everybody went downstairs and we had five minutes, just five minutes. So this is the first time that you were alone. Yeah.

Was when you were married. Yeah. We had five minutes. They didn't give us five minutes. Five minutes? Yeah. What did you? We can't do much in five minutes.

Some people can do a lot of five minutes. I sure they can. We needed more than five minutes. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. So you say you enjoy the five minutes? Yeah, we literally just, he just said, you look amazing. I had this mint green sari on.

It was, it was so simple and so perfect. And he was wearing his attire. And it was really cool. And it was just literally five minutes. And then because we had the big wedding in Bangladesh. So we did that. And I didn't move in with him. We didn't move out or anything.

So he went away. I stayed at home. And then literally another 10 days later, we went off to Bangladesh together. Yeah. I'm sorry. So that day ends. Ends gone. He's gone. And he leaves.

Yeah, he's gone. Okay, you're still at home? I'm still at home, yeah. But you're married now. But I'm married now. And I did. I said, you know, I could come up to leads or you could come down. You know, like we can just like, we can actually like hang out.

We can be together. And he's like, no, we couldn't. So then the main wedding, though, is in Bangladesh. Yeah. We wanted it to be in the UK, but it's more expensive in the UK. But my father and my dad. they decided that they could get a nice little trip to Bangladesh out of our wedding and it would be cheaper. We got to feed 3,000 people at the wedding. Two and a half of them were probably,

two and a half thousand were probably old people from nearby villages, people off the streets, because that's the blessing. The blessing is to feed people who don't have anything. Okay. So when you say 3,000 people was that the invites to? the wedding or 3,000 people? Yeah. You're 3,000 people at your wedding. I don't know any of them. I didn't know any of them because what they do is they announce, every mosque will announce that so-and-so's son, daughter are getting married. If you need a meal, come and eat.

Okay. So people off the streets, poor folk, people you don't, they just come off the streets and they come and eat because that's the blessing. You give back. And that was a blessing. I love that. I love that. I would love to do that with my own kids.

Because, you know, for very little money, you can feed a lot of people in Bangladesh. Yes. That does sound beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. I mean, of all of those, probably about 500 were our family. Four 500 were probably our family, which is big enough as it is. But the best bit for me was when it was over and we were driving back to his village,

which was two and a half hours away from hours, we were sat next to each other. bearing in mind this whole time, we've not been allowed to sit near each other, really talk to each other or anything. He was sat next to me and all he did was like put his knee against my knee the whole time. And I was like, stop being weird. And I was like, I was kind of doing this. Oh, he's being weird. But he kept putting his legs, his legs just get wider and wide and he kept putting his

and that's the only contact he could have with me without anyone noticing. And then we stopped off. He went to a mosque, prayed. And I was like, oh, he's a good one. He's a good one. I just, I had a good feeling. And then we went back. And I remember they were kind of prepping for me to get into the house

because there's some traditions that you have to kind of have something sweet before you get into the house. And so they were prepping for those traditions. And we were sat in the car alone. First time, ever alone, no time restriction. We sat there. And he goes, you are the most beautiful thing I've ever, ever seen. And I think I believed him in that moment.

Did you? Yeah. It's interesting because it was a range, it was kind of a range, but not really. I would say kind of semi-half and half. Yeah. I picked him because I knew he was right for me, not because my family, because what they wanted for me was not what they wanted for me. It was what they wanted for them.

Great point. So for me, that's the first time I think I advocated for myself in marrying the person I wanted to marry. And it's the best decision I ever made. I see it. I see it. How did you two make it work? because early on, you're just, I mean, at that point, by the time you're in Bangladesh at the actual wedding, you've only seen each other twice.

Yeah. In person. Yeah. You know, so then how do you then make a marriage work with someone who you've just met? I think one of the things that makes an arranged marriage work is not to have this fixated idea or this kind of very rigid idea that everything is 50-50. Because people say 50-50 in a marriage a lot. They throw that around quite a lot. They do.

I hate it because there's no such thing as 50-50. There's points where somebody is putting 99% in and somebody's putting 1% in. And there's points where it is 50-50 and there's points. If you stay rigid in the 50-50, then I don't think marriage is work. Because there's points where one person puts in more and one person can put in less. But you have to be there for that.

Because there's times when we got married realized that me working is pointless because any money I make will go to child care and I'll not see my kid. So there's no point in me working. So I chose to be a housewife. I was like, no, I'm going to stay at home, I'm going to raise my children, and I'm going to have a beautiful home,

and I'm going to be here so you can, because he'd only fresh come out of his degree, so he was only just getting into his sort of line of work. And he progressed in the 10 years that I was at home with the kids. He progressed hugely in his career. And we were so, lucky that he was able to financially, we were able to financially not need me to work. Yes.

We were able to buy a house. We were able to go on holidays. You know, we were able to do all of those things with his wage. So, and that was only because I sacrificed my own need for a career to stay at home with the kids. But that didn't feel like a sacrifice. It wasn't a sacrifice because we were doing it for our family. Right.

It was a team. Team effort. Team effort. Yeah. makeoff, he was definitely putting in 80% and I was doing 20 because I was traveling the world. I was filming. I was on set. I was hardly over at home. I cooked meals. I put them in the freezer and I was out on the next plane. So he definitely in those 10 years put in way more than I did. But we did it as a team effort. So I think to make a marriage like that work is I think any

marriage, I think, just don't be fixated on the 50-50. Yeah. I think that's brilliant advice. Do you two also do these daily huddles where you come together and discuss what's happened? What happens in this daily huddle? Because I find this very interesting. Yes, we give ourselves scores. We score each other. You score each other.

Every day. Every day. We sit down or it's in bed or we lay in bed and be like, right, what's your score today? And it's basically your score as a husband or a wife and your score as a parent. So we'll be like, today you would be. definitely a 10 out of 10. It's like, oh, yay. So he knows that he's done something right. Yes. He knows the things that he's done right during the day. And he knows to repeat those things going forward. And so we score ourselves as husband and wife and then score ourselves

as parents. And we openly discuss what we think we should get. So I'm like, you were definitely a four today. And he's like, yeah, I was a four. But I think I was three actually. So we discussed the score and that really helps us to kind of do better the next day. So we every day, we, four out ten, five out of ten. So interesting. Yeah. What's the lowest score that you've ever received? Oh, zero. I've had zeros. You've had zeros. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when you lose it a little bit, you just like, there's days when I'm, like, I've shouted at the kids and I'm like, oh, shouldn't have shouted, I shouldn't have had a go at them. We have those days. It's really okay to talk about those things as well. It's like, it's okay to have a zero, but it's about how you go from a zero to

a one to a two, a three and just keep building that up. But yeah, I think it really, really helps us to be honest without judgment. Yes, yes, I love it. I love it. And if you want to hear the full unfiltered stories from today's guest, you can check them out on the We Need to Talk page. Drop a like, leave a comment, and hit subscribe. See you next week. Not loving your AT&T or T Mobile Bill?

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