We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson - The Truth About The Most Outrageous Reality TV Show! We're Talking Geordie Shore!

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Holly Hagan and Chloe Ferry reflect on their time on Geordie Shore, sharing the challenges of navigating body image, fame, and the pressures of growing up on camera. They dive into the mental health impact of reality TV and how they struggled with self-esteem and public scrutiny while learning to find their true selves. Holly and Chloe also open up about their experiences with surgery, the overwhelming influence of social media, and the journey to accepting their bodies. This candid conversation is a powerful reminder of the importance of self-love, personal growth, and resilience in the face of constant public judgment. (00:00) Intro (00:31) How Chloe Joined the Geordie Shore Cast (07:23) Welfare on Geordie Shore During Chloe’s Time on the Show (09:27) How Chloe Dealt With Negative Online Comments (12:19) Holly’s Experience Filming the First Series of Geordie Shore (18:46) Welfare Then vs Now in Reality TV (22:47) Why Holly Signed Up for Series 2 of Geordie Shore (25:21) Geordie Shore’s Popularity Peak in 2016 (26:17) Class in the UK and How Reality TV Represents It Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They open up about body image, surgery and the mental challenges of growing up on camera and establishing their identities. Today we're talking Jordy Shore. I was out on a night out and I was doing my dance moves because I like to get it all out. Like I said, I like to dance. And two scouts come over, it was and said, like, have you ever thought about doing Joy Shore? But at this point, I never thought about it. But then I thought, you know what it is? I'm actually quite a furry girl.

I thought this is perfect for me. And the girl said to which went, I know that you're going to get this. This is when Joy Shaw was at it. peak. There was like 3,000 people in Tiger Tiger Auditioned. This is when it was, get three million views, yeah. It was a massive when I got it. I remember I'm, I was only 19 at this point and I thought, God, this is a lot of taking. It was like, I think four to six months down the line, the audition process. And what is the audition? Because I didn't even realize

people audition. Audition, yeah. So like the first one was you got to meet the execs. So you'd sit there, they'd ask your questions about yourself, like, what's your party trick? Like, it's just all that. And I said, I do this thing called The Cat, but I'll show you after, because I don't want to show you. And just, like, just going through. And then there's one audition where, like, you stand from one to ten, and, like, 10 being the funniest and, like,

how about attaining are you? And, like, me and actually Nathan argued, because I went to 10, he went to 10. We actually had an argument in our audition. So it was just like... Oh, my gosh, Nathan was in your audition? Yeah, yeah. We didn't like each other at all. Okay.

We hated each other. So we argued in that audition, and then I remember getting the call, so we were watching, me and my mom, to be Coronation Street fans. So we sat down on 7 o'clock on Monday night. We're like, we're two phones were on silent. I said, e, ma'am, someone's bringing us. It's, I don't understand.

Coronation Streets on. I said, that's not right. Who the fuck brings when Coronation Streets on? She went, I went, I went, it's a number. I think it's the debtors. It was like zero zero two. Because we did no London numbers. We were like Newcastle people, right?

So I'll go, then I'll answer me. It might be the dead as. So I answered it. And I went, um, hello? And they went, oh, like, I sat down. I went, no, I'm standing up. went, will you sit down please?

I went, all right, okay. And they're like, you've got the job? You're coming on Geordy Show, and I thought, oh, my God, are you joking? I wasn't prepared. My hair was all hanging out. I think I didn't even go in with nails on because I couldn't afford to get them done.

Wow. But, okay, the moment that you hear, you're on Jordy Shore. What's your mom's reaction? She was buzzing because she just thought, like, oh, this is going to be, like, life changing for her. Like, we're going to finally. Obviously, I didn't really know what I was going to.

I didn't even know I would be where I was today. I was just, I went and blindsided. I'd just turned 19. You know what it's like when you're 19, you don't know what, you just want to go out and get drunk, you don't care about life, you don't care about what you want your goals to be, do you? Like at 19, I just want to be there for a while time. So what was your impression of Jordy Shore at 19?

How would you describe the show and where you watch? You must have been watching it. Because when I was younger, when I was like 15, I think it came out. So like it was massive when I come out back in the day and like I remember I actually put like a Twitter, a tweet account about Charlotte and Gary. And I was like, if that Gary heard Charlotte one, more time I'm gonna go mad I remember

because obviously 15 year old that was like the era of when Jordan Show was out so but I never ever thought about being on it but when I thought to myself got like this could be life changing but I didn't think about like money or anything I just want to go in there

like have a clean slate and just have a good time but what would you how would you describe especially to someone who's never watched George Short yeah how would you describe the show what is the show it's like it's like I would say Love Island and Towie

but like on acid that's what I would basically on acid basically I don't know if you can say that, but basically, yeah. Oh, okay, so how do you, if you were to give even more detail, right, of it, especially, let's say someone has not watched Love Island or not watched Howie.

Like, what is the show? So basically, there's probably about 10 cast members in the house and we all live there. We go out every single night. It would get drunk, like, there's people who are, like, boyfriend and girlfriend. There's people who, like, have got situationships going on.

There's people in there who don't like each other. Like, it's just like, it's crazy. there like it is like really really hard because when you go in there when I first went in I was like can I watch coronation street tonight that's actually the first thing that I said the producer went no we're taking your phone off here so as a 19 year old girl I was like oh my God what might what am I even doing but that's why I go back to that moment when you and your mother found out right you're but you said your mother is excited though but knowing that you're about to go into this tornado right was and it sounds like you're like the excitement, your excitement was because you felt like, okay, we're going to be on TV. No, not that I'm gonna be on TV. I think it's more about like, because I was dyslexic, my ice skating wasn't doing well.

It was more like, I think this could be a little bit of a job for us. I didn't have anything in the pipeline. I didn't know what I was, I wasn't clever enough to go and get a job. I didn't know what I was gonna do. I felt worthless. All I want to do was go out and get a drink, Towners. Really?

I mean, you really felt as if there was no hope for you professionally. Like I wanted to be ice skating choreographer, but I always had that doubt in the back of my mind that I wasn't good enough. Really? So this was your way out. Yeah, my way out. And your mother saw it as your way out.

So you join. Yeah. Right. And when you join it, series 10. Series 10, yeah. And I see that even looking at the numbers, and maybe Chloe, this is due to you and Nathan, but I see that the show was already incredibly, you know, is being watched by over a million people, right?

But then after you come on, it becomes more popular. Yeah, it did, it was huge when we went on. Obviously it's not as big now, but it was absolutely massive as well. And I just like, I remember when I first walked in and I met everyone, everyone was lovely. And I remember I went upstairs and I went, oh my God, like look at all these clothes. I said they've all got labels on.

I said, Jesus Christ, like, how you got this many clothes or labels on? They went, oh, we got to send them free. I went, you got to send them for free. I went, and I went, what? And they went, we also get paid to promote them. So I said, you get sent them for free. You get paid to wear them. I said, this is the job for me.

I said, great. I said, it's amazing. Like, the girls are getting sent clothes, but then they're also getting paid to promote them. I said, I didn't know that. Oh, wow. So when you walk in, because a lot of people, when they get onto reality TV,

especially now, it's how can I make the most money? How can I be, you know, have the A story line. How can I be the craziest or the wildest, should I say? Yeah. So therefore, I can make more money when I get off the show. What was your thought going in to Jordy Short? Me, me, foregone in, like, I didn't think about money or businesses at all.

All I wanted to do was go in there and just have a good time. I didn't have that sort of mindset at that time. And especially because it was my first series and stuff. And like, obviously everyone made us feel welcome, but I still felt because they had such a close bond, everyone in there. I didn't feel like 100% like I fitted in because I was a little bit timid and stuff. So when I first went in, I just wanted to have a good time.

It was like, because I was so young, I just turned 19, that would have been my era, I go to uni. So I felt, I was like, is this uni, but it's on TV? Okay, I get it. it. So you're in there, right? Now, this is 2010. Yeah. Reality television is much different in 2010. There's a lot less safeguarding in 2010.

What did you, what was your perception around how well protected you were from a production standpoint? Because you are now on a show where millions of people are watching. It's incredibly popular. So therefore, now you're recognizable throughout most of the UK. So how did you feel as if you were being protected and safeguarded at that time? To be honest, not really, because like when the show did air and stuff and when the press pictures did come out and I got like a lot of backlash for my appearance and no one actually said it was like sat us down and be like, you're going to get a lot of backlash on your looks.

You just need to ignore it. Like I didn't understand at first. But to be honest, I try to just like put it the back of my head and ignore it. because when you're young you're not brought up to be like your mom or your dad wouldn't say to you you're going to get a backlash this day someone's going to say this about you

you don't know and ever really says that of you so I feel like if I was pre-warned about how much negativity that I was going to get then maybe I could have like helped myself a lot more but I remember just

I just put it at the back of my head all of the comments all right so the first comments that are coming in are all on your appearance yeah everything on me parents yeah everything and at this time you've had no surgery no surgery no at all but

bearing in mind I actually thought I looked okay like I was quite confident I didn't care okay just I was just there for a good time okay so going in you had no thought of I'm going to get surgery you were you were never never never ever I never had any lips I thought oh I might get a bit lip filler but I could never afford to get it done but I never thought ever in a million years like getting my boobs done or anything I never ever thought about that and I never ever thought about I didn't even really know about surgery, to be honest, and it would never cross my mind. Okay, but you said that the comments started coming in.

So where were the comments coming in? It was this press as well? Press and also social media. Okay, and so articles written about how you looked and people commenting about how you looked. Now, when you think about those comments, right, they were devastating. It sounds like they were devastating.

Yeah. What did they do to you? Just like, I had no... Well, my main thing was that I actually started to believe it. Like, seeing I'm ugly, I'm fat, I'm embarrassing, my nose is big, like, as a young woman who was still, like, developing, I was still growing,

I didn't know what to believe. Like, obviously I didn't speak to anyone about it because I was just embarrassed about it. So I remember the first comment that really stuck to my head. This is when I didn't think about surgery. So remember I had like a white short top on And my cleavage was out a little bit And I remember every single comment was saying that my boobs was saggy

And I thought hey I thought And I thought before that I've got the most amazing perky boobs I thought that doesn't make sense Like I've got gorgeous boobs And it just one of the comments just took me head And I thought I'm going to get my boobs done And like but before that I thought I had the best boobs ever Okay

So can we spend a moment there Because there's some people who would have seen those comments and said, you know what? But I love the way that my boobs look so therefore, too bad. Like, I love them. I wasn't in that mindset to do that.

I was so young. Okay. And like, no one told me that this was going to happen, that I was going to get, like, absolutely excruciated on my looks. But I wish I had that mindset, because if I had that, the mindset that I've got now, I wish, like, if I could see it in my younger self,

don't get surgery. I would say, I wish I couldn't. If I could turn back time, I would not have got. any surgery. Okay, but it was those comments that triggered you to think, okay, I'm definitely going to now get at least my boobs done.

Yeah. All right. Were you talking to anyone at this time in terms of like, did you have friends that you would say, hey, do you think I should do this or not? Did you have a sounding board or you just made? Just me, I made the decision. The thing is with me, I'm very impulsive. If I want something, I'll just get it done straight away.

Obviously when I told my mom about it, she was like really, really worried. Like, oh, like it's surgery, like a issue. I was like, yes, I'm getting it done. Like, that's going back to when I was younger. Like, I never used to listen. I'll do what I want to do. Like, I'm very impulsive with me decisions.

Okay. So your thought was, I'm going to get this done. And the reason why is because they're saying this. So if I get this done, then what's your thought? It'll stop. It'll stop. Yeah, because all these people who I don't know, thousands of comments, once I get my boobs done

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This is how old we are. It was in a newspaper. And he was like, oh my God, they're doing this, like the Newcastle version of Jersey Shore. And this, you have to like apply on Facebook. And I was like, I'm not going to get it. Like, I'm not from Newcastle. I thought, oh, just apply anyway. Why not?

They rang me a couple of days later. On that phone call, I was like, yeah, I wear like nine pairs of eyelashes and this is what I do on a weekend and blah, blah, blah. You literally had nine pairs of eyelashes. Nine pairs. That you would, what, one after another? One after, and then I wouldn't take them off for a month. Wow.

Just leave them on. Okay. Not great hygiene. Okay. All right. I wear like, I don't even wear a lash now. Oh, yeah, I'm just saying. Look at that.

And you had nine then. Nine. Every year you take one off. Literally. And they're like, the girls, the office want to know how you fit nine pairs of eyelashes on your eye and I'm like well I can show you if you want and they're like right we want you to come down in Newcastle and come and interview with us face to face I was like amazing I'll get the time off work and my boyfriend at the time

took me and in this interview they're like yeah so obviously you've got a boyfriend I'm like yeah that's absolutely fine he'll let me get with people don't worry we'll just have some boundaries and they're like well you've got a boyfriend but he'll let you go over yeah don't worry about it Like, and the things that I was saying, I didn't realize at the time, but obviously they were just rubbing their hands together thinking, this girl is nuts. Like, we need her on TV. And I just thought, I'm not going to get it. If there's somebody from Newcastle who's similar to me, they'll get it instead of me. And then they're like, oh, we need you to do some filming at this day.

I didn't realize at the time, but I'd got down to like the very last few. She rings me back. She's like, what I'm about to tell you is confidential. I'm like, okay, if anyone finds out about this, you will be repulsed. placed but welcome aboard you're on Gehody Show and I was like I didn't really know what it meant for us at the time but yeah from that point I knew that I was going away for six weeks in a house with other people not getting paid for it and I was just going to go and have a laugh and that's all I thought about it and I took six weeks off work from the call centre to do that who did you tell

that day I only told I think my boyfriend at the time and my mum because I was so terrified about getting out. My mom didn't want to know. She knew I was absolutely nuts. She did not want her daughter on TV doing the things that she knew I would be doing. But any parent to have their child go on a reality TV short, when there was no welfare involved, you know, it's... But what did she know?

Because that was, so this is 2011. 11, right? So 2011, Jersey Shore, from what I remember, Jersey Shore in the States, that was the first show of its kind where... it was not the first reality show, but the first kind of raw look at reality where you could see people drink, you could see people,

you're seeing some nudity, you're seeing some, what you believe is sex happening, but the other reality shows were not like that. So what was your mother thinking about what the show was going to be and what were you actually thinking the show would be? So I was just thinking,

well, the only reference we have is Jersey Shaw. So we were thinking, it's just Jersey Shore, but the English version. So that's kind of the reference that I had in my head. Now, I don't think my mother was a watcher of Jersey Shore, but I think she was aware of it at the time. So she was just like, oh, God, the drinking, the party, and like, that's going to be on TV.

MTV was such a big channel at the time. I couldn't comprehend it in my head that I'm going to be on this TV show, and it's going to be shown not only in the UK, but worldwide. And we were going to be known worldwide, and that I was going to be getting slagged off on Twitter, in different languages. Okay.

So when the show was filming, at first it was, it's six weeks. Yeah. Right? And so you know you're going to be in a home, in essence, for six weeks. You said you were intentionally last. Yeah. Why do you think that you were placed last? Shock factor.

I didn't look like the other girls. I didn't have that pretty image. They were all waiting for like a stunner to walk in. And I'll happily say I was not somebody you would have cost us a stunner. at that time. I wasn't attractive to men at that point. And I had these big boobs,

the leather glove on my hand with the studs, the black and blonde hair, the nine pairs of eyelashes, concealer on my lips, no blush, like it was a train wreck, honestly. It's funny to look back at. But I genuinely thought I looked great and I came in with a bottle of Glens Vodka which is like a really cheap make.

And I was like, oh, I brought this for everyone, like just trying to be friends. And the second I walked in, the lads were just like, make sure she's not in our room. Like, so Vicky ran upstairs to make sure that she was in the boys' room because they didn't want to be in with me. And I think it was in a room with Jay. And they'd already kind of all solidified a friendship before I got there. Like Sophie and Charlotte were in the hot tub together. The boys were doing their boy things.

Vicky was like around the boys. And I was kind of just this last surprise. What was your first impression of all of the, all of the, I keep saying contributors, what do you call them? You call them castmates. Yeah, I don't know, but should we call them friends? Yeah, more friends now that weren't then. See, what would you, what was your first impression of them?

Okay, so first impression of the boys, I'd never seen boys that look like that. These were like Newcastle boys, not like Middlesbrough boys. There was a big difference in like Newcastle men and Middlesbroughmen. these would have like so tanned muscles like low-cut shirts the um jesus necklaces like all of that kind of stuff i just like was taking little bits of everyone else's personality to like try and fit in i think because i was just like putting on this really big front and yeah when i walked in that first time they were like yeah gaga bombs i'd never had a yagerbom before i was like yay so i drank one i was like that's disgusting And the boys were like, again, again.

And yes, I could have said no. But honestly, in that situation, you're just trying to impress. Like, you've just got on a TV show. So I'm necking these Jaeger bombs. And literally, I think within like five minutes, I'm like blackout drunk. Within, you've, this is day one. Instant, yeah. You're blackout drunk.

I'm in the hot tub. I'm getting my boobs out. And don't get me wrong, like, even with that, like, I would have done that at some point. Like, I definitely would have done that. that was just who I was at the time. So I'm not blaming anyone for that, but I do think, you know, that wouldn't be allowed now. Right.

And I think that just shows you that that wasn't really right then. But, you know, it made a really good show. And as much as, you know, I did have a really crap time that first series. Through faults of my own, you know, I cheated on my boyfriend. The people in the house judged me for it. I get it. Like, I completely get it. But the majority of them then went on to cheat on their partners in further series.

and they didn't get half the stick that I got for it. So it kind of felt a little bit unfair in parts. But yeah, I understood why I got the hate. I wasn't being myself, so I guess people couldn't gel with me, but I didn't know who myself was. I was still trying to figure that out. I think 18's really young to be on a TV show. And whilst I'm so grateful and I would never change it,

I do think that now I'm glad that they have the welfare, that they don't really tend to put 18-year-olds in those kind of situations anymore. because those decisions, they do have an impact on the rest of your life. And I've had to work really hard to get away from that image. And it's been difficult. Yeah. What would you say your most challenging moment was in that first six weeks of filming? I think just feeling like the odd one out.

Like I felt like I never fit in. I felt like when the girls were dancing, they'd have the backs to me. I felt like the boys just didn't even want to hear a word that I had to say because I wasn't attractive to them. And it just felt it felt like everyone was so much older than me and they were. I could never go back and watch that. I don't want to. I see people watching it now and they're like,

oh my God, people treat you so awfully. And I'm like, people didn't say that at the time because the world's changed a lot since then. Yes. I get a lot more empathy now. Now, just to spend a moment on the fact that you have blocked it out. I think this is very interesting because many of our guests will talk about moments that they cannot recollect.

Yeah. And I've even seen sometimes in the comments, people say, well, is that true? Like, do they really? block it out. And I've actually done the research on it is we actually do. We do. You know, it is the technical term is memory fragmentation. Yeah. Right. And it's this whole notion of when we're going through a traumatic experience and we move to a space of it's fight or flight and our body goes into survival mode. Yeah. What we end up doing is instead of recording these moments like a

movie, we record it like a Polaroid, just snapshots. And we remember the few. And we remember the feelings, but not the intricacies. 100%. And I would imagine that's exactly how you feel. It's like the audience will remember more than me. I'm in the Reddit thread sometimes and I have a little nosy. And I'm like, how are you guys remembering all of that? And I can literally not remember a single thing of that time.

But you've got to remember as well. We were doing like two, three seasons a year at one point. So you imagine they all blend into one in the end. And we're drunk a lot of the time. So your memory is hazy from that as well. so it's very much like yeah I did block out a lot of it and I'm fine with that

I'm okay with leaving that where it was and I don't regret doing anything that I wish I hadn't got my boobs out in the hot tub to be honest that was my big regret just because it went on the front page of all the papers and because the lights were shining on them

it looked like I had no nipples so then there was a Facebook group made about me saying when you try and breastfeed but realise you're all the hearing are you serious I'm serious. I can laugh about it now but back then I was like

oh God everyone thinks I've got like onion boobs This is, but so hot This is what I wanted to know It sounds like the first series From your lived experience was a disaster A disaster I quit

Oh you did first series Wait the first series I literally walked out I was like I'm never doing that again I'm moving to Spain I'm changing my name Like genuinely I felt like I'd ruined my whole life So why sign up for series T

Okay so the producers rang me And they were like Holly we've been commissioned for a summer special. I said, no, not going anywhere near those people again. I hate myself. I hate everyone. Like, we're not doing it.

And they were like, it's three days in Magaloff. You have the opportunity right now to rewrite your story, to come back and to show them who you really are. We will, I used to have red hair. Okay. And they were like, we'll dye your hair red. You can go in with a completely new image. You can go in first.

It'll be a completely new look for you. This is like your redemption. My redemption, yeah. And I was like, guys, you're going to have to let me think about it because I just don't think I can put myself through that again. I decided to put myself through that again. And I'm terrified still. But I go and I just try and keep in the background.

I don't get involved with much. But it's the first time that I like take my makeup off on camera. I take the lashes off. I start to strip back a little bit. And that's only because of Charlotte and Sophie. Like if I didn't have them, they made me realize that it's okay to be yourself and that you can not look your best in front of boys and it's okay. Like you still doesn't mean that it doesn't mean anything.

You can just be you. And they taught me that. And I started like not wearing makeup. And I was like, oh, you're so pretty without your eyelashes and you look so much better. And they started building my confidence a lot in that series. And that series was fine. It was three days. And I feel like, you know what?

This is actually okay. And then I think it wasn't until when did we do series two? A couple of months later and then they were like, we've got series two back in the house for six weeks. It was the first time I started really finding my voice and sticking up for myself with me.

I'm sorry, was that series two or series three? This is series two. So we had the summer special, a little mini special. Okay, so it's not a full series. It's not a full series. It's hard to find actually. No one can really find it.

It's like the lost series. And then we went on to do a full series two. Okay. And this is when I started to find my voice to actually stick up for myself. to say the things that I wanted to say without the fear that I was going to not be liked or whatever. And I did actually have a really good series

and I started warming to everyone. They started warming to me. I started to actually build friendships with these people. At its peak in 2016, you were on the show in 2016. Yeah. All right, Jordy Shore had over 1.2 million regular viewers, which means on catch-up, etc., it becomes much bigger than that. And what I've noticed about Jordy Shore is that it's one of those brands that everyone knows.

Yeah. Everyone knows it. But now this is a more controversial take. And I've never heard this ever discussed. But I want to discuss it with you. Let's discuss it. Is when I got to the UK, so 2018, I got to the UK, the first kind of societal. thing, for lack of better word, that I discovered was class.

Yes. Classism here is on another level than classism in the United States. Really? It's another level. That's interesting. And I then became very observant on class. And I noticed even on commercials in the UK where any time they wanted to present, say, an individual that wasn't as sharp, was a bit aloof,

they would have a northern accent. Northern, of course. If they were smarter, they would have a non-northern. British, Queens, English. Yes, yes, accent. So that was the first kind of my first take. Yeah. Then as time went on, I've noticed that,

or should I say, as time went on, started having conversations with different people. and what I was beginning to hear was that classism really played a strong role in television. Yeah. What's your take on classism, television, and Jordy Shore? I completely agree with what you've said. And I think we're just so used to it that it just seems completely normal for us to, you know, hear a northern person. and it's something that's going to the working class,

like that northerners are considered working class. We have accents that are considered working class, which is crazy because you can have old classes in with northern accents, but your accent really does kind of give it away a lot of the time, and it's kind of you do get judged on it. If you listen to my voice in series one to now, you will not think that it's the same person. Really?

I have worked very, very, especially the Middlesbrough accent because again known for being, I don't want to offend anyone but it's known for being a bit thick and you know we don't say our words properly and I've had to work really hard to actually speak properly because I would get judged so much for just sounding thick or I'd never want to do TV appearances because I was like, oh I just sound really thick and I don't sound how I should and I think as you get older as well you do just want to speak a little bit better and you do you know you're not trying to impress your friends that you're around and things and being

a bit chavvy but yeah i completely agree especially with jordy shaw like we were tailored to the working class we were tailored to these students who were going out every weekend who were in Newcastle uni at the time and you know they were looking for that party experience

and I think a lot of people related to us so much but I think people from like all backgrounds actually secretly enjoyed it as well yes but it seemed like there was a very distinct difference between jordy Chelsea and Towie.

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