We're Here to Help - 148: Mommy & Daddy & Biff Wiff (Re-release)

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

For this special Thursday bonus episode, the guys honor their friend, the great Biff Wiff, who passed away last week with a new intro and a re-release of Biff Wiff's time as a guest helper. Jake and Gareth try to get Biff to buy in on the premise of the show, in this case, helping a caller whose wife still calls her parents mommy and daddy, from Ep. 64: A Prince Among Rats.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

And we are back, Gareth. Back. So this is a special Thursday. This is a repeat. This is a new intro, but we are repeating episode 64 because the great Biff Whiff has passed away. He passed away last week, and we just wanted to replay his episode and give him a little bit of a shout out.

Yeah, he's definitely our most honest guest as far as what he thought of the premise of the show. Which we enjoyed. He's so funny. He was great. He really was such a... I don't know much about him, but it seemed like people really got to know him towards the end of his career. Yeah, you know, he started,

so I'll give a little bit of backstory on him from what I know, which is also, you know, I just met him when I was doing my movie Self-Reliance, but he was on Moonlighting in 87. He was on Night Court, the original, back in 89. He was on the original Roseanne. He moved to San Diego to get into theater and then did the LA jump. So he had been in the game for a very long time. But I think it was, you know, I thought it was Tim Robinson's I Think You,

I Think You Should Leave. That's when he really popped with the shirt brothers and the Santa bit. I mean he's so funny in that and that show is so funny but he's excellent. Yeah and I think like you know I look you know him better than I do but I mean seeing him in your movie like there was just a lot more going on for him even in social media following yeah. But you know he was also in shows like Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Fresh Off the Boat. The guy was a true character actor

in a way that I think is unfortunately going away. Yes. And these great characters that, you know, people, Gareth, like you and I grew up thinking we're a huge part of our business and had a lot of value. They just seem to have less value nowadays. Yeah, remember like the that guy stuff where you'd be like, oh that guy, and then you'd like learn a little bit more. And sometimes the that guy would hit later on.

Yes. I remember when I first moved to LA, like there was a lot of that where I'd be like at Baja Fresh, and I'd be like, oh shit, is that guy? Well, the goal to move out to LA was to be that guy. That was, that felt like a huge plot point in your life out here. And so when I was doing my movie, there was a part of James who was a homeless guy who becomes friends with my character,

and I really believed it was the true romance of the movie. And it was, I felt like the whole movie kind of hinged on his performance. And when we went through the financing and the producer calls with Ali Bell and we were talking about casting, the truth was I had no idea who could play the part. And they were mentioning people like Nick Nolte.

And I thought like, Nick Nolte's cool. And they showed his headshot. And I I thought like, Nick Nolte's cool and they showed his headshot. And I just thought like, I don't know, like there's gotta be a lot of heart to the character because you've gotta justify. I mean, the bad writing is I meet a guy and then almost immediately we have one night hanging out together and then we're like,

wanna be best friends and then do a whole becoming best friends montage. And as we were doing auditions for it, I had that terrible stomach ache of like, my premise doesn't work. These guys are like, you know, they were playing it so heavy or so dramatic or so overly comedic, like it was this,

and I'm like, no, and then fucking Biff Whips video audition starts, and right from minute one I was like, oh my god, I love this guy. He always wore suspenders, he had that like little taxi driver cap on, he could take his teeth in or out however he kind of wanted. You want an actor who can do that for most parts. And he was so funny.

Even when watching the movie, it's like that, when that kicks in, you're like, oh, this is good stuff. Yes. Like you're excited to see that portion of the film. And then I did a little bit of research on him. I contacted Tim, I believe too, who had nothing but the warmest things to say about him. And then we auditioned, we met, and right away, he was the first person I tried to get cleared for the finance years. So it was a really funny thing, like mostly you lay out like your must haves.

But my first email to like MRC was like, okay, his name is Biff Whiff. Who's the love interest? You his name is Biff Whiff. Who's the love interest? You're like, Biff Whiff. We got a lock in Biff and then we're going to go to Anikendrik. Then we have the big chip on the table. But all that's aside, like, and it was funny for me to go through that, but it really was true. He was, he was my kind of favorite scene partner. There's a scene he and I do where we're in a, kind of like a junkyard, it's a late night scene.

Biff had to act. He had to carry an emotional scene, and I had no idea if he was more of a guy who could say like a funny thing on a cameo, or a lot of these people, you'll almost use certain actors, they'll have like one gimmick, and you're're like just use that thing and it's really funny. But they don't have levels to them. And it's fine. You're like the one thing is so great. But the catch with Biff is he had real levels to him.

Like there was so much about him as an actor that didn't come out and as I'm like, we'd be doing scenes and everyone in the crew after would go like, that guy is really special. I'm like, there's something that's like every day you would learn more about him. He was so kind, so fun to be around. Obviously Edelstein loved him. Obviously, well, Edelstein might be him.

But I think the thing is it's like this business is really like anything, but this business is particularly, it's peaks and valleys, it's really kind of difficult and he had a moment. Yeah, he did. And I'm really glad he did in his life. And I think like, you know, look, I mean, obviously you never want someone to go, you never want to go, but he did get to experience that moment for a minute. And that's something.

And I think it's also clear he knew that his audience loved him. Loved him. And I think he knew that. And I think it was so funny for me to meet him because I was a fan and immediately was like, oh wow, this guy is like, he's been through the business for a long time, is enjoying it, but also has that acerbic element that sort of comes with gritting it out for so long. I mean, he literally at one point on our show

was just like, why do I care? Yeah, I re-listened to it when I was just kind of feeling sad about his passing. And it was the funniest moment for me of potentially, you know, when we're all done with this and looking back, it was a guy calling and you'll hear the show, but he goes, I don't care. And you know, once you pull the rug out from our premise.

It's an important, I mean, that's big. That's a big ball to keep in the air. But that was even, like, Biff as an actor, we do a scene with me, him, so there was a scene in the movie with me and Anna Kendrick, and it's like, we're in a bar, and we're starting to court, and he was supposed to come in and then sit at a table away from us so we could just be in a two-shot and have, like, you know, our cross-converged romantic scene.

And he was just so good in the movie, and everyone, myself included, I'm liking him so much, that the DP, Adam Silver, and I were talking and we're like, should we just have Biff's character sit right behind my character so we can frame a really tight single where we don't see him if we don't want him. But when we get a little wider, probably wouldn't hurt to have him in the background.

And we were like, okay, let's just see what happens. And then my note to Biff always was, don't worry about the lines, just be totally natural. And if something comes out, then just be in the scene. Whatever your instincts are, are always right. And he just started eating chips and would comment on the scenes, but he was never pushing to be funny.

He was not looking for attention. He was not looking, like sometimes you'll have somebody and they're funny, but they really want to steal the scene. You're like, just be in the scene. And we do this whole thing where the end of it is I'm trying to get her to come along on the journey and it's a tough premise by, you know? Like we just meet and then she says yes.

And even the writing of it, whenever I get notes, everyone's like, why does she say yes? And my response is, well, you know, that's because. We're shooting in two weeks, that's why. That's why, because she has to, she has to, you'll see. And that's a shooting in two weeks. That's why that's why because she has to she has to you'll see and No, like it makes sense. It makes I don't think you get it. I don't think you get it But if goes we just start going and I couldn't understand what he was saying But he wouldn't break and once you're in a scene

It was real life with him. Yeah, were like, we also do another scene where, so he kills it, we use all his stuff. We had to, when we were editing it, we just, we wouldn't even look at coverage where he wasn't in it, because we're like, he's the guy. Then we're doing a scene where my character's going through an intervention.

And it was supposed to be a real low point. You know, you're sitting next to each other. And we're in a two shot, obviously. Oh, if you're with Biff, keep it a two shot. Yeah. And it's really low where the family's like, we're worried about you. And there's a pause and he offers me the chips he's eating.

And just as an instinct, I'm like, you're the best. If somebody had written that, I would pass. But like your instincts, I was like, I honestly would leave the days and I would go, if I did a movie with Biff-Wiff all the time, I would never complain about acting, I would love it. He's just, he was the best scene partner. It was obvious when he came in, he's having health issues and that sort of stuff, and so, and you know, I mean, you'd even alluded to it before he came in. But look, I mean, you could tell even online. People were talking about it,

and everybody will miss Biff Lif even if they only experience him through our show. What I recommend is if you just hear about him through this thing, go on a little ride. Yeah, I mean, go watch him on I Think You Should Leave. I mean, he is hysterical. Also, watch his cameos. Just Google him.

Like, you just have a late night where you take a hit of weed, or you have a drink, or whatever you do to relax. Have a Biff Spliff. Have a Biff Spliff. And just enjoy a little Biff Whiff in what he brought. I was really sad because my whole press plan before he got sick, he actually got, he got cancer while we were doing the reshoots.

We had found out, so our last day of shooting, he went and got a haircut and a shave with our hair and makeup, because he was like, well, it's all gonna go anyway. So we do a reshoot where he and I are walking down the street together towards the end of the movie. And the day after that, he started treatment. But I'd really imagine doing the whole press tour with me and him, and him somewhat in character.

So like doing Kimmel and then just having Biff Whiff next to me, reacting in the moments and just be like eating chips. I was like, and when he got sick, I was so sad for him. I was like, ah, it would have been so fun for him and for me. And I was like, just the guy had, the sickness came at really bad timing because I really think he had about a 10 year window

ahead of him where he was just gonna do really special, fun stuff. But I love you Biff. I'm so glad I met you. I'm so glad you did the movie and the podcast. And I'm sorry for Taylor and for his friends and family. And please enjoy this episode that we recorded, I think about a year ago.

Is that right, Garrett? Something like that? Who knows? Yeah, yeah, it's probably right around there. And that's it. Yeah, RIP probably right around there And that's it. Yeah. All right P Biff. All right P Biffy Hello hello, hey, can you hear me? Yeah, can we get your name please? Yes, my real name I assume. Whatever you want, you want a real one or a fake one?

I'll do a fake one, I'll be Jimmy. Jimmy? Jimmy. So Jimmy, you got a special one today. You got me in the Garf. Hello. But then you've got, well I guess I'd have to say and I've said it to him. Maybe my favorite actor in this weird Hollywood came a fucking prince

among fucking rats Of the game a guy that you just put a fucking camera on and his instincts are Incredible a guy who I wrote a a fucking camera on and his instincts are incredible a guy who I Wrote a movie. I started it. I directed I produced it and this fucking guy steals it from me It was easy picket Guy from Tim Robinson's I think you should leave uh-huh who crushes that my shirt brother a shirt brother Santa in that uh-huh

Mr. Biff with George Howdy howdy howdy it's great to be here as good as it gets and you were so good in the movie And you know how I feel about you and and well I know how you feel about me I feel the same way about you and this fucking dude was on the original night court isn't that right yes I was on the original and the current night court. Oh you were on both Yeah, why you want to that's pretty cool. Yeah, hey Jimmy. Where are you calling from pal? I am calling from Atlanta, Georgia, okay, ATL and how old are you? In my 30s, okay, that's fair very general Jim beginning or the end of them

Beginning I'm 31 young guy young guy. All right, Jimmy. What can we do for you? All right, so Me and my partner have been married for three years. I have known her for eight years Okay, and I love her but the one thing that I can't get over is... I love her butt as a great start. She still calls her mom and dad mommy and daddy. Yuck. Jesus Christ. I'm with you, Jimmy.

Yeah. It's not that. I don't know. It just rubs me the wrong way, you know? So I need you guys' help to figure it out. I just don't know how to get it to stop. Yeah, but by the way, this isn't a bit, I'm with ya. Oh, I'm with you.

Okay. I don't care. As long as the stakes are high for you, Beth. I don't care. I don't care, let her call him whatever she wants. What's your problem? So you don't want to do mommy and daddy and the question is how do we get out of this biff with unfortunately is the voice of reality and who gives a shit.

But the problem with that biff is that we don't have a show Yeah We have to give it What you I give a shit no Biff I'm gonna get you in the headspace for what the show is cuz I am with you The reality is Jim who gives a shit right? But yeah, the point of this one is imagine Jimmy's are very good friend Okay, the three of us are in our bar. We maybe smoked a little bit of weed

We had a couple of drinks and our friend goes guys. What what do I do? My wife is calling her parents mommy and daddy and it's driving me nuts. Okay, so as a good friend We can't say who cares I haven't ever few drinks and some weed makes it a lot easier to care Yes, yeah, I care now poor Jimmy. Okay. Good. See Jimmy. We got him where we need. Okay, Jimmy So keep walking us through it. So the mommy and daddy stuff what else? So it's more about we I've had conversations with her about hey, you know, can we change the mom and dad? Can we do mother and father? Can we just just you know oh you have like mommy and daddy's they're very I brought it up to her okay so where the issue lies is her parents

seem to be offended when we try to make the change so on family trips you know we've been like okay let's start to make the change Let's you know, let's try mom dad and see what happens and they are the ones Thank you. Hey Ben. What do you think and you got you got shit kicking in between those years? What are you thinking? I'm I'm wondering why Jimmy cares about this so much What my thing is So you care because it's annoying to you, right? So you care because it's annoying to you, right? Right. And I'm trying to get this picture of Jimmy as a friend of mine.

Okay, so Jimmy, what do you do for work kind of? We're trying to get Biff on your team. We have a new problem, which is we've got to make Biff like you. Hold on, that's part of it. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's a lot easier if you like the guy yeah, so Jimmy. What do you do? What are some traits about you so we can get you as we can get biff with you. Let's see so some traits are I work in I work in real estate

Easy Jimmy, I'm a huge college football fan My team is Clemson. Okay, close. Is that a team? That's mine. Okay. All right, Jimmy wrong. This is going sideways. Jimmy. Jimmy. What do you do? Oh, yeah. Yeah for fun. Do you ever go out have a few pops you drink? Oh, yeah. Yeah, what's your drink? It's so for fun. Oh, yeah Uh my drink of choice is gonna be any kind of white beer usually course light. That's kind of my go-to is gonna be any kind of white beer, usually Coors Light, that's kinda my go-to. Jimmy, you're letting your hair down now.

I don't even want a beer. What's that? Hold on, Jimmy, we got the great Biff Wiff's about to say something, what are you thinking of that, Biff? I'm thinking Coors Light isn't even beer, is it? Boy, I'll tell you, when he was answering, I was like, Jimmy, I don't know if you know how much is hinging on this answer,

and Coors Light came out. Jimmy, do you smoke weed? All right, if I'm letting my hair down, I'm going whiskey on the rocks. That's what I'm gonna drink if I'm out. Okay, there you go. Now you're talking. What kind of whiskey? I'm, I have Angel's envy at home.

That's what I kind of drink for the most part. Okay, I'm trying to get you, Jimmy. I'm trying to get you with Biff a little bit here. Do you smoke any weed? Yes. Oh. Okay, okay. Now, how. Do you smoke any weed? Yes Okay, okay now how often are you a weed man? Oh man like in the last hour every day every day

Music do you like to listen to when you smoke a little bit of weed? I like the graceful dad I'm I'm a jam band kind of guy Okay, now we're getting on the same page Yeah, yes, okay Jimmy you've probably taken a little acid at some point if you're a big deadhead guy, right at some point You've taken a maybe not a little bit. Yeah Yeah, a little bit Hold on for a second now Biff I'm gonna go to you here. So yeah Our buddy Jimmy the deadhead guy smokes a weed likes a whiskey on the rocks salt of the earth kind of

Fun guy he's at the table with him. We like him. We love him But we like him. Okay, his wife calls fucking her parents mommy and daddy Killing it's killing Jimmy fucking her parents mommy and daddy. It's killing, it's killing Jimmy. What can we say to Jimmy that, I know you don't care, but it's grossing out our guy when he's jamming out to trucking and hitting a one hitter. It's ruining his vibe, man.

He can't be wavy gravy with this mommy and daddy shit. Because I'll tell you what it doesn't do is it doesn't get the juices going downstairs when his wife is going mommy daddy So big say that while they're doing it no Yeah, but if you got anything in your head just to start us off how this guy can get his wife to stop saying mommy And daddy mommy dad is okay with you Jimmy. Yeah, what about her parents? Yeah, I mean her parents, they like me.

I mean if that's, yeah, they definitely like me. We all get along. And when you brought it up to them and you said, what if we went mom and dad, what'd they say? They were just like, why do you need to do that? Like what's wrong with it? And I'm like, well I don't know know just the connotation that a grown-up okay you know I got a thing in mommy I got a couple yeah so here's my pitch around them you refer to her as like a bunkie and you make her call you like pumpkin man or something so you're doing pet names around mommy and daddy until they get a little bit of like a little bit off put right?

so in front of her dad if Your wife is calling you like you know some sort of pet name What did you what'd you think before we about to yell? Pumpkin pumpkin yes, I thought you wanted Bucky Bucky Bucky's worst But if she's Bucky and you're pumpkin bunny and Bucky and all of a sudden it's happening Every sentence ends with that over do it that there you could overdo it to the point of then her parents get uncomfortable And you say I have an idea What if we cut all these your mom and dad and I'm Jimmy andmy and she's jane And you make an agreement as a group to stop with the names

Do you think something like that could work jimmy? I think so because when we first started dating We used babe and baby a lot and they hated that. Oh, okay. Good. That's what so if they hate babe and baby What are nicknames that could work for you and your partner? That's not silly, but really gross. Oh What's the grossest stuff you guys could do that? You know is in your wheelhouse? Man, I don't know something like slobberpuss. I don't know You almost made Caitlin our social media director barf Jimmy I gotta tell you in my head

I'm like, he's not gonna he's not gonna grab the ball and dunk it on this but then you came up with that So if you I mean that is if you call her That on pornhub and have over a thousand results If you called her Have I may have Puss yeah, I remember her Jimmy's wife So what could she call you Oh, um, dick Um, oh that's good. Um And I only had one I only had one so prepare how crazy is this jimmy and only if you're gonna really do it

But what if what if you called her slobber pussy? She called you slobber dig. Oh my god, you cannot but hold on jimmy Slabber dig. Oh my god, you cannot but hold on Jimmy if you're looking to end an awkward mommy and daddy Situation but you in a baby voice called her slobber boots and she said yes, okay It ends it that's a bar here slobber puss and make eye contact like that was weird and then when she comes back Like here's the mashed potatoes slobber dick, they're gonna be like, get the car. We need to get it. I don't know what's happening here. Very quickly the vibe is gonna change. Oh yeah.

But you could say, oh yeah. I'm really sorry, these are just names we call ourselves when you guys aren't around. And then you go, if it's on, sorry, sorry. And then you go, should we cool it with the names and just go to first names? What's in a name? Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Is that insane, Jimmy? Or are we near a zone names. What's in a name? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Is that insane, Jimmy, or are we near a zone you might go? I can answer. Yeah. I think we're down the right track. You do? Jimmy, all right.

Gareth? Hold on. All I'm doing is talking real talk. Jimmy, you're telling me there's a world where mom and dad are over and you call your wife slobberpuss and she's straight-faced in front of mommy and daddy Calls you slobber dick and this is in the realm of possibility if it is I'm very excited there is the possibility for me to do slobber puss absolutely because I'm kind of the Joe, I don't know. Yeah, sure the family where I say I say stuff that people are sometimes like oh

You can't say that in front of her parents. Okay, I don't know if I could get her to say slobber day. Okay good. What could you get her to say? Sleepy man, I don't know sleepy man why that sleep, but sleepy man. It's gross It's in the vote. It's in the zone of mommy and daddy. I'll say that if You're sleepy man if I'm a fucking if my daughters called their husband sleepy man in front of me I Would hate it. I got an idea. How did just what if she starts calling you daddy? There you go. You know I thought about that if she started calling you daddy at least brings up Oh, well, I I started calling her slobber puss and I like I wanted to start calling me daddy Oh, I mean makes it confusing waters a little you might be onto something

The zone of you guys calling each other mommy and daddy in front of them Because never in a bedroom would a man and a woman having sex call each other mom and dad no It's never like oh dad. Oh dad But the idea of saying saying mommy could be hot in some circles, mom is not. No, I like grandpa. I asked for that a lot during sex. So what do you think about leaning into,

you guys say, she goes daddy, and you and him at the same time go, yeah? Oh, which one are you talking to? Oh, that would gross him out. It creates a confrontation, which is not a bad thing. dog then your wife has to say like I'm sorry dad I was actually talking to Jimmy Sorry, dad. This is good. I was sorry dad to Jimmy mm-hmm Jimmy Where yeah, we might have fucking nailed this one

I think that would work because even if she is just calling them mommy and daddy. We don't have to have a plan I'm just gonna start answering. That's it. That's great Jimmy you you know what you got a run-through fire on this one to get to the other side But whenever she says daddy if you respond it's gonna kill her down Yeah, and then the dad's gonna say hold on. I'm dad. Yeah, and you you going this, okay sir, but I am daddy. All right, yeah, I'll be daddy. What do you think, Jimmy? I mean, it feels like it was a group mind,

but do you feel good about that? Yeah, no, I can do that. Will you please follow up with us after you do this? Can I even request a crazier thing? Film it. Just put your phone on record so we can overhear it. If you you get well, it's hard because it's she's got to say daddy then he's got to get the phone out No, you just lay it down. Yeah, I record hours of stand-up just on audio files back It's creepy I can plan if you can plan this and if you could record this

Oh, you are a fucking king. It would just be a lovely follow-up. Yeah, so daddy. Please try to pull that off. I Mean, I'm telling you just hearing Jake say it it turns you yeah on no Jimmy. We got to go Jake has some stuff If you can pull that off, it would be a massive win for you and the show buddy I think I can all right, so let us know what happens Jimmy. We look forward to it and mr. Biff whiff good talking with you Jimmy I hope this works out for you. What a sweet ending Yeah, it really was you ran this guy through hell and in the end you you ended with a cherry at top of the sun Yeah, you kicked the hell out of them, but now your friend is the architect of the new term slobber dick, which is

Yes, that's right mr. slobber dick thank you thank you daddy thank you daddy we're here to help is hosted by jake johnson and gareth reynolds if you'd like to be on the show please email us your question at helpfulPod at gmail.com and if you want to watch video episodes of We're Here to Help, you can go to our Patreon at patreon.com slash here to help pod to see our entire catalog. We're Here to Help is produced by Rabbit Grimm Productions, executive producers Rob Hollis, Jeff Porter and Natalie Hollis, associate producer Jesse Thurston, editing, mix and master by Chris Fowler.

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