We're Here to Help - 213: Trash Hole Shark & Wrestling Gators (with Andy Roddick)

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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This is a headgum podcast. and we got a special one today. First of I brought Steve Berg with because Andy, he's being cool about it, but he's geeking out right now. He is not geeking out more than I am. I listen to this show all the time. I'm the crazy person who texts Jake,

and he's like, just fuck off. Thanks and gentlemen, we have the great Andy Roddick with us. Andy and I did the movie ding together, and that was, by the way, you are so funny. minute, man. Should we talk about the part where I'm the former athlete and I got laid up and couldn't walk one morning from playing pickleball and you were like Cal Ripkin?

No, well, hold on. Let's live in reality. Half the time there was a guy who looked just like me who was playing. That is true. The outfits were just... And the brakes helped a lot. The breaks? I don't know. I'm just telling you, I don't undersell your just, you're just physicality, Jake. It was impressive. By the way, it was, at least from my end of it, it was really hard and truly stressful playing in front of those extras. I don't know if you felt any of it because you've done this at such a bigger stage, but I'll look at that pickleball and I'm like, I don't want to be hitting right now. I hate this. You were nervous in front of the people that were scripted to cheer for you no matter what you did? Because guess what? If I keep hitting it into the net, all of a sudden,

the director is going to start getting mad. Everyone's going to get mad. Every time I was like, oh, fucking tennis and pickleball. I was like, this is a different level of pressure, man. I don't like this. You got good, though. He did. And the thing is, I think you feel the stresses when it's like your thing.

You probably feel stresses that other people don't when they're just kind of along for the ride. Yeah, that makes sense. How stressful, I know this is a stupid question. I asked you a little bit while we were together, just because I love talking to athletes because it's similar to our game, but very different. How scary was like playing at the,

U.S. Open. Like, how aware were you mentally where you're like, this serve really matters? Yeah. I don't, I mean, it's scary, but it's basically just scary because of consequence, right? Like, I have, I've talked to people on our podcast, you know, we just nerd out on tennis stuff, who were like, great players, like win multiple slams. And they go, I got scared because I didn't want to play in front of people. I never really felt that. I was like, I don't want to, I'm scared because I'm not as good as the person I'm trying to beat today. Right. Like, it's a very, different stressors, right? So I didn't really pay attention

to the people in the whole thing. It was more just like, can I actually do what I need to do to not suck? Right. Yeah. Berg, you got any

deep dive tennis questions you want to get into really fast? I want to know. Andy, Mr. Roddick. By the way, I texted him, I said you can ask a couple of deep divers.

How in the hell was your sir, is your sir so powerful? like I mean like you are a big strong guy clearly but are you doing something different to I mean honestly your first serve is the greatest first serve in the history of the game that's generous that's not true it is true it is true I think I know a little more about tennis than you do Andy

yeah I that's I maybe victim of the moment hot take there but it's I don't know I like I just swung really hard like the one thing I will say and this is probably boring because this is like this is like an fucking ambient for your listeners right now But I do think this, like the Europeans, because they grow up playing soccer all the time, their footwork's great. And everything we do with baseball, football, everything else, like Americans have great serves. Just I think everything's overhand. I think everything they do is like footwork and it, you know, comes out in the wash.

You weren't doing some leg stuff? I mean, were you like, I mean, like, I feel like there's some leg stuff. I know that Andy is into leg stuff. And I know that Brad Gilbert's into leg stuff. Brad Gilbert is. And Rodic, you know where I'm going with us. You got. So Brad Gilbert had coach, like legendary tennis coach, like when he sees someone, he starts analyzing the way their body moves.

And so he would just be like pointing out random, like, oh man, that person's legs. And Jake just thought it was the funniest thing of all time. And then, but Rod had got it. I thought, Gil, because he would literally, he would, we would be talking about like some 17-year-old tennis player. And I'd go like, he's pretty good. And he'd go like, Gilbert would go like, yeah, but he doesn't have the stems, man. He doesn't have the legs. Now look at that guy's legs.

Now, that guy can hit. And before you knew it, I was like, looking at every. every man's legs and being like, now that guy's got some powerful legs. And I brought it up to Roddick to have a laugh. And Roddick goes, there's a lot of truth to it. I look at a lot of men.

Which, yeah. So I got, my wife catches me. She's just like, what are you doing? Are you breaking down that person's gate? I'm like, yeah. That's what I'm doing.

Oh, my God. It's a lot of leg stuff. Yeah, it's, but it was weird because, like, I was, I saw an instant lane for bullshit between takes with Jake, obviously,

like, and I wanted to know all the stuff. And so he comes up to me, he's like, Brad keeps talking about people's legs. I'm like, he's not, I wanted to participate more than my memory would let me because I knew, I knew what Brad was talking about. Normally, I'm happy to jump on board with anything that gives Brad shit. I love BG, man. I was just texting with him last week. I'm not letting that one go.

You can't. I was like, he's just such a great character. He's so fun. He sends so many weird emojis and texts. He doesn't know how to spell. He doesn't need to. Like, I guarantee you if you pulled up, Jake, if you pulled up like your last vortex from him right now

and count the misspelled words, it would be like, he's like 70-30 on spelling any word correctly. By the way, 70-30 is a terrible ratio. Terrible. If you're at a spelling rate to 70-30, no. It's got to be above 85. That head before you, if you told him to spell gorilla,

it might have a C, there definitely would be, there would either be one or seven L's. My favorite part about the Gilbert text is the amount of just unnecessary emoji after emoji where he'll go like, how's it going? And I'd be like, good, man, grinding you. And then it'll be like a tennis player. And then it would be like, good, no punctuation. And then it would be like somebody dancing salsa.

And I'm like, I don't get the salsa. I know you're a tennis guy. But what's the salt? And I'm like, it'll just be one after the other. And I'm like, love these. Well, the weirdest part about that is when you said, when he said good, it was spelled GUD. Steve and our group of friends is the big tennis player. Steve and I have played one match in our life.

Yeah. He'd been bragging about tennis forever. I had the flu. Well, his whole thing is I played in high school. I'll dominate you, Jonathan. I'll kill you. You're just a little rat. I'll destroy you.

You don't have a chance against the guy like me. I'm Omaha built You're just a rat from outside of Chicago You have no chance All I hear about his power serve How graceful he is Graceful Completely

Completely I'm a dancer We go out on the Los Phila's court And I'm expecting to get murdered You know He's way better than me I probably played five times I saw you man

I saw you playing pickleball You have the heart of a lion Yeah he does He's a winner. He's a gamer. And ask Gareth what I did to him. What did you do to Gareth? I destroyed Gareth.

So what happened between you and me, Big Daddy? You won because I had the flu. I felt like sick. I had a fever. He was getting in his head. He was freaking out, and I'll never play him again. Let's play again. I'll give you three games.

I don't want to stoop to your level. And then, Andy, before we start the calls, what is the name of your podcast what are you doing on it let's tell our group about it thanks uh served podcast it's basically just a place to go for like super nerdy tennis talk every year earth plays it pays attention to tennis for like eight weeks a year during the slams and we can tell stories every tuesday and that's that's basically it's youtube apple spotify that's fun and you just started doing it on your own and it just has kept kind of building yeah it's it's it's been it's been a lot of fun we a couple of dudes just talking some tennis luckily you know we've been lucky enough to have you know

the Agassiz and the Nadalz and the Sharapovas and the Navratila, everyone comes on and talks and it's fun because they kind of let their guard down and we can talk for more than like 10 second sound bites. And then in terms of your serve, and I think I talked to Gilbert about this, I don't know if I had brought it up to you. I truly can't remember. But I was doing a thing where he was teaching me serves and he was saying when he was teaching you, he would, you guys would sometimes do stuff where you would like change your leg position and not even worry about getting it in because I was getting really overly like focus. on trying to make it.

And he moved my legs and just had me hit. And everything went faster. And he said there would be jumps like that with Andy where we could just like you could just like move everything about what he was doing and just say like just relax. Yeah. And then everything like then you start aiming. But he would jump up miles per hour.

Yeah, I think he might have been lying about that. But yeah, the way you set up, like people always think about like arm angles and swinging hard and all this other stuff. Like, if your base setting is messed up, like, you're kind of hopeless, right? Like, it's kind of everything in tennis. And, you know, for high-level pickleballers like yourself, Jake. Thank you. Thank you.

I appreciate that. Elite athletes, yeah, exactly. All right, let's go. So, Andy, you know how this show works. We're going to do a couple calls. We haven't heard anything. There's no rules to you. Do whatever you want.

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Kachava, K-A-C-H-A-V-A dot com. Code here to help for 15% off. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Great. What's your name? I'm Nadine. Hey, Nadine. Where are you from? I'm from Oakland, California, but I'm calling you from Ibiza, Spain. Ooh, exotic. What's you doing in Spain? Yeah, a little. little bit of a vacation here. Oh, just vacationing in Spain. Are you getting all wild and clubbing and doing E and dancing and stuff? That's what that place is done for.

You dropping EBOPS? Yeah, I did one night of clubbing and it almost killed me, so we're here and died. That sounds funny. So you did Steve Spain night. Yeah. Yeah. EBOPS. How old are we, just so I can get a gauge of a number?

I am 32. 32. You could still survive a party night in Spain. Oh, yeah, you got it. You would think so, but... Yeah, so you're here with, obviously, Steve Berg, and then we got a special guest,

the great Andy Roddick is with us today. Oh, cool. Amazing. That'd be great. Just ask your dad. About all three of us? Yeah, just ask you, it would be fun. Hey, Dad, I was talking to three Yeezers.

Have you ever heard? Dad, you love me. So, Nadine, you're in Spain on vacation, you're 32, you did a bunch of E. What do we got? So I have tried many times. Well, okay, my fiancé is in charge of trash duty at home. So he is in charge of taking out the trash from recycling, but he does not like touching the actual trash bag. Come on.

So I have been taking out the trash, which is fine, I don't mind. But I found, I invented a game called Trash Hole where I throw the trash bag off of our, like, landing in front of our front door into the big trash bin down below in our driveway. It's about two and a half stories or like two and a half, yeah, steps down. So it's pretty far and I have to swing it to get into the trash bin. and I was very good at it until I wasn't. And now the trash bag has been like exploding in the driveway and he's not happy about it. So he said I can't play trash hole anymore. But it's so fun and that's my like one contribution to the trash.

So I would love to find a way to convince him to let me play trash hole. Andy, you're just fun. By the way, Nadine, everything you're saying is making a lot of sense. I can guarantee we're all going to be on your team here. Andy, your first thoughts. You've seen perplexed. How, I am perplexed and also perplexed, Jake. How do you, how is he in charge of trash, but, like, explain touching the trash bag.

Is it all plastic bags? If you go to, like. Is it a germophoop thing? If you go, if you go to McDonald's and there's a, or you get a grocery bag or Walgreens, does he not like, is it touching any plastic bag or is this just a convenient excuse for the trash? No, it's just the trash. It's just our trash bin. But why won't he touch it?

I don't get that. Our trash can in the kitchen is like, it's really old and kind of gross. And so I get it. It's like smelly and weird. But so I don't, yeah, it's a little bit of a gerbaphote thing. I don't mind it, though. Is this, is this, is it tied up and put it out the front door? Is this as simple?

This is going to be a shortest call ever. Is this as simple as just getting a new trash bin? No. No, I'll tell you why it's no. That ruins the show. That ruins the show. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

tell you why. This is why I think, Nadine, and tell me if I'm wrong, you're not complaining that he doesn't touch the garbage. You just want to keep playing trash hall. Exactly. Yes. That is the problem. I love it. It's so fun. She just found a game now. I think what this calls really about is the Yips. Nadine, have you ever heard of the Yips? The what? Okay, so there's a thing, it's the Yips. Don't say it out loud. The Yips are something that there is a baseball player. I can't remember his name. Chuck Knoblock.

Yes. Chuck Knoblock. Yes, it is a real name, unfortunately. He was a second basement, and he was good. And Rick Ankeel with the pitching. And then he all of a sudden had to go to Peleley, Center Field. Yep. This was something that happened in like a 10-year period in a 95-year period, and then it's gone away.

But all of a sudden, Nadine, this was a major league player. he was an all-star, I believe. From second base to first base is very close. He forgot how to throw. His arm would do it. Is that a demotion second to first? No.

A demotion, no. He's throwing the ball. You're a big baseball fan? No, clearly. Big sports fan or just trash hall? No, she's dropping Ian dancing all that. You didn't have a time of baseball. The only point that matters.

The only point that, Matt, And I love that the idea of the second baseman, the first baseman is the demotion. Yeah. So like the third piece, he had to go to Paul Tucket, Jake. He got demoted by the first. But what happens is, what I think happened is what we got to figure out is why you got the yips and why you used to be good at trash hole and now you're bad at trash hole. My thought and tell me if you want some else is how do we get your confidence back, girl?

Yeah, I feel like I need a way to practice that's not going to pay. piss him off and explode trash everywhere. Because he didn't care when you were making it. Like every great coach, he just hated when you started losing. Yeah, he was impressed when I would make it. Have you, did you get so good and so comfortable with it, you started phoning it in and you weren't concentrating? Or is it just like you feel like you lost the skill? Any injuries, Nadine?

Any injuries? I think I lost my swing. Interesting. Not in that department. No, not in my arm. lady's lickers? Let's get it. Blachshund.

You'll get your groove back. Stella got his groove back then. Maybe like a long time ago. Okay. So, Nadine, this is getting interesting, in my opinion. So you take a garbage can out. How, who touches it first is not the issue. Nadine is fine taking it.

You would reach over. There was a big trash can. You go, I'm going to play a game called trash hole. You throw the garbage out. It goes in a trash hole. You go, this is fun as hell. Your husband's happy. Your husband's happy.

you're happy. It sounds fun. It sounds fun. It sounds fun. It does. You throw it. You miss trash hall. It's a mess.

A couple days after you miss it, he goes, stop throwing the trash out the window like an animal. You turn in our yard into like a raccoon yard. Exactly. I have a question, Nadine. Was it like, when you missed it badly once, did your confidence get shook immediately? Or has this been like a gradual? I'm just kind of gradually getting worse. No, see, I, the next.

week, like when it was trash day, I was like, can I throw it in? And he was like, no, because he missed. I was like, well, wait, whoa. Well, okay, no, but then I tried again and I missed. So I think my confidence definitely got. Here's what I'll say right after that is that, is that even Michael Jordan practice free throws.

Are you opposed to like going out there in like training? As soon as you can hit 10. That's really interesting. Rock montage, trash hole montage. Yeah, absolutely. So you can say to your, I actually don't hate this, man. You can say to your fiance, it's like, look, I will not play trash old until I can consistently hit 10 for 10 shots in.

And then once I've done that, I'm Michael Jordan again. You just got to find some similar weight that doesn't break. What do I practice with? Yeah. If it's not trash. No, you load it up what you do a triple bag, right? You make a dummy bag and you load it with some, like, you know, cans and whatnots. And so you have some weight because you want to have accurate weight.

I'm, you know, three to four pounds, maybe. So I got a question for. I think we're in a very. good zone here, Nadine, but I want to just pitch something first. Earlier you said either two stairs or two floors up. That's different.

Where are you in the building? Yeah, it's like two floors. Two floors. So I'm standing outside our front door on the landing, reaching over the railing, like over the driveway where the trash cans are. Could you walk one floor down, lean over and throw it in?

It's not as fun. I know, but hold on. I know, but hold on. I know, but hold on. I know, but Hold on. Make a layup before you shoot a jumper. Yes. Do a layup for a week straight. Mm-hmm. And then say to him, I've been practicing, and then you get your groove back by taking easy shots.

Okay. But the problem is, I think the fun of it comes with the challenge because I have to, like, swing it a little bit, but not too much. If I swing it too much, it's going to go, like, pass the trash can. If I do it too little, it's going to hit the other, like, recitifference. So it's so great. And if I go down like one flight, I just drop it straight down. That's no fun. Everyone loves game time and a lot of people don't like practice.

But I think what you're missing is the practice. Sorry, I have a technical question here, Nadine. Now, when you've missed, we've gone back through what you've thrown away that week. Is the bag heavier? Are you good at three pounds and bad at six pounds? Are we, do we need to pay attention to what? Because it's like bowling. Not every bag of trash.

No bag of trash is the same way. It's off by a little. You're throwing a goddamn snowflake. So maybe you just have to adjust your motion based on weight. I don't know. Get a scale. I don't know what this is. Like, I just want you to succeed.

This is why I'm happy we have a professional athlete on. Yeah. Thank you, Jake. And erotic. I feel like it's relatively the same every week. Like, I would guess maybe like I'm throwing between... six and ten pounds. That's a big differential.

That's a big difference. That's a hundred percent difference almost. That's a huge difference. So let me throw something out because we're giving you some good stuff here, Nadine. The sport's one of the margins. Yeah. A little bit different at you and just to hear what you think. What if you challenged your fiancé to a round of trash hole with real fun stakes?

Yeah. Something that you guys both. See, that's what I'm looking for, yeah. Right? Because I think I'm better at Trashel than he is. And I think if you can get him to do it once, he might like it. Andy, go ahead. If he, can you just say, hey, listen, you don't like touching the bags.

I don't like not pin Trashel. Let's meet in the middle. Let's both play Trashel. Winner stays on. So if I keep making it, I get to keep doing it. If not, you have to do it the next week. I love this. Winter takes the court.

Yeah, the Super Bowl of Trashville. Winter takes the court? Yeah. So, like, in basketball. Make it take it. So if you make it. you take it the next and now if you if you miss it it's his trash okay but if you as long I feel like that's a loose for him because he doesn't like doing the trash I don't like doing a lot

of things that my wife makes me do at some point he's going to have to fucking grow up yeah right now Andy it's from fiancee to married he's going to have to go up soon but right now he still has his leverage let's let's let's let's let's let's let's get out of married let's get at Slugger. I don't know. This is a good stress. This might save everyone time. If we can't get through this. Yes. What if we just started going five bucks a throw? I like this. What if there was a way for like, hey, listen, I got to get it back. I'm willing to pay it off. I enjoy this thing. Five bucks a week. You up, you up for it. Slugger. Cash on the spot. Or you make it interesting and you do more. Oof. Or you could go back massage, 30 minute back massage. Let's gamble. 30 minute foot massage.

If I make it, you give me a 30 minute massage. If I miss, I give it to you. That feels right up our alley. Okay. I mean, up his alley. That does not sound fun to me, but I will do it. What doesn't sound fun to you? What are you talking about?

You get to throw some trash around. Yeah, you're still throwing trash. Right. I don't want to touch anyone's feet. Okay. So forget, whatever the thing is. Whatever the thing is. But you ready?

You ready for the good news, Nadine? You ready for it? Is that you don't have. the yips because there's no way someone would say let's gamble on your problem and you go yeah that sounds great if you have the yips you'd be like no i think that's exactly right you're good you just missed a couple of times bet it i would say what nadine what do you want to propose to him that you are betting on if you don't like the feet what is something that you want him to do to you or for you and something you're willing to do for him for a certain time limit say 30 minutes

Okay. I would take a foot massage for 30 minutes. I would take a back rub slash scratch for 30 minutes. Scratches a lot for 30 minutes. I agree. They're all a lot. 30 minutes are rubbing some of his foot. It's forever. It's fine too.

I want it to be. That's a lot of time. That's a lot of time. Do I say 15 minutes? 15 back rub would be fine. Great. But I'm thinking like I do want to practice so because I want to be good at it because being good at it is fun for No one's stopping you.

But get the bet set. Nathan, get the bet set in place before you start improving. He needs to think you're shitty so you can get the best terms on your bet. And then you practice. Okay, so this is an easy way. I do become a trash hole shark? Exactly. Yes.

Yep. You hustle him. Okay. And here's how you practice. Here's how you practice. Do you have a scale in your home? Yes. Take the bag out when it's full.

Tie it up. Put it on the scale. whatever it weighs grab a go get a black garbage bag that are stronger and find go to a home depot and find anything that weighs the same as that so you could get towels

you could get you know the stuff you put on the floor I have towels in my home now we're talking but we're just trying to get the same exact weight and you're just throwing that walking down over and over then start moving your target

so you could start throwing it to the right. You could throw it to the left. Do 10 throws a day for a week straight. I think that's my problem is I can't aim when I have to swing it. So I need to like, yeah, I think that's the, that's my issue. Hey, Andy, were you serving aces the first time you picked up a goddamn racket? No, Jake, it took a lifetime of work. I think knitting's trying to take shortcuts here.

You need to get to work, Nadine. Just train, train, train, train. You have to train. Turn it into a rocky montage. If you want to be a champion, you have to train. Wait, it sounds pretty simple because she's saying, she's saying, I want to practice. I want to be the trash hole shark.

Like, just get the terms of the bet while he thinks you suck at this. I think that's right. I think we need to get a montage. I think we need to bring a friend in. I think we need to film a commercial montage. That's going to be good for the show. Of course.

And then you're going to get the reps in and it's going to be no problem. And then will you, Nadine, will you film the montage and will you do one other thing? Will you film the throw when the, when the bet is officially on so that we can see the actual take? Yeah, I will definitely try and do that.

Oh, you can ask him to film it? Oh, yeah, yeah. Can we also, I need to, I can't get over this, right? And I've thought about it multiple times while we've been on this call. She's laying in bed in Ibiza talking about throwing trash off her front porch and how much she misses it. That's strange, right?

Yeah. It's unique. Nah. I've been into Visa for six days. I'm tired as fuck. She's ready to get home. Yeah. Fuck this sunshine.

Let's go throw some trash. Throw trash in Oakland. Your feet hurt from dancing too much. You're just perpetually hungover. God bless America. E bombs. I've got on top of you. Playing trash hole back home, nothing's better.

Becoming a shark. So, Nadine, here's what we're asking you to do for the show. We're asking you to. uh write up a contract with your fiance that the if it goes in you owe him this you if it goes out it's your job to clean it up and figure it out and then you every day you get to do that same challenge or every time the garbage goes out uh both sign it and then send us a copy of signed uh contract second all right start practicing weigh the bag and then just get out there with towels or whatever you want, newspapers, whatever, adds up to the same, a round weight.

Make a little montage video so you get ready for it and then do the challenge and try to film that actual first one. Andy. I have one more just, so when you're saying weight, weight's not always distributed the same way. So don't put like a parking cone that weighs the same as like something that's like a melon in a ball. The shapes need to make sense too while you're doing this. Yeah. Yeah.

And they should change every time. every day of practice it should have a different shape Just be conscious of it Yeah Should I just like Should I just get like the same food every day Eat the same thing every day

And see in the trash can so every week I would just approximate Yeah You know and also remember Okay You're practicing something that you clearly have passion for You love this game You love this game

So practice should not be a short It shouldn't be something you have to do. It should be like, all right, you know, finish work. I get to go home and practice. It's like. Right. Well, the other thing, I forgot to mention, our trash can got stolen, like a couple months ago.

So we got a brand new trash can. So he was very adamant about not dirtying up the new trash can. It's a trash can. They're supposed to be dirty. Maybe. Here's what we're going to do. I know. This is like right there on what it's called.

Is he in the room with you? No, he's not. Okay, here's what we're going to do. If he has an issue with you throwing trash in a trash can, he's got to call in. We've got to talk to him. We're entering a world that's crazy. It might go deeper. Yeah.

It's a trash can. We just got to get him to agree to these terms. And if he's being a stickler, then as your lawyers, have him get on the Zoom. Yep. Because I think we can get him to, if he's a reasonable human being, he will agree to allowing you to throw the trash out that he won't touch because he's not into germs how you want to in a new trash can. I think he'll be fine with this.

He doesn't, does he, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't get to tell you about the trash can when he wants nothing to do with it. Yeah. That's your territory. Yes. Own it. Yeah. Well, then the other, I mean, so the other thing is, you're the trash lady and you can do it

any way you want. But I think you're calling in how do we do it in a fun way with him. exactly and the fun way is the bet and the fun way for you because what you don't want to have to do is set up the whole bet and then get the fucking yips and miss no block demotion yeah that would be nadine be humiliating yeah if all of a sudden with the cameras on and the big day yeah you got to visualize you got to be thinking about this all damn day one you got to hydrate you got to hydrate you gotta hydrate you got to and then I think I think part of the contract is, if you miss, you clean up every piece of garbage. Yeah. Because then what could he be mad about? See, that's the thing is I don't want to do that either, but I do feel like that's fair.

Then get good, girl. Get good, you have to. If you want to play trash hole and you miss the trash hole, it is your job to clean it, and that should be in the contract. Did you make him clean up the first time you missed with you? No. He just did it. And I was standing there being like,

oh, that's fine, I'm already down here. So wait, wait, whoa, wait, whoa, whoa, this is, this is, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. So he won't touch a trash bag, but he got right in there without being asked to do it when it was something that you caused. No, but he wasn't happy about it. And I offered, but he was like, no, it's fine. I'm already down here. So I got you. I know he didn't throw a parade, but.

All right. I'm cleaning this one up, Nadine, and then we're getting out of here. because that is totally new information. It's insane that he picked up the trash after you missed it trashed. I get it now. I get it too. Finally. I know.

And the first thing you say in the contract is that will never happen again. That was insane. If I'm playing trash hole, it is not your job to clean up my mess. And he'll go, I agree. And you'll go, but with that in mind, I'd like to continue to play trash hole, He's going to get a little bit like, and you go, but if I miss, I clean. And then he'll go like, okay, but why? And then he's going to go, it's a new trash can.

And then you go, but I want to make it interesting. Yeah. You need to support my passions. Yeah. No, we're not going on that direction. No, I begs. I'm sorry. I'm a trash old player.

You can't take it away from me. This is who you married. Nadine, here's another pitch. This is me. Here's another pitch. We go to be and erotic. And you start wearing a uniform in a head. band and you claim it's your passion and it's who you are and if he loves you he has to support you

yep you're a trouchhole player wait so can i get a jersey like with trash hole in the back i think you should i think you should only if you have google yeah this is going to take over i mean by the way if you got a a league little if you got a top and matching shorts that's a trash old number I mean, headband. People might take that the wrong way. Yeah, that sounds horrible. It does, actually. You're the best at trash.

We can rebrand, you know. Your parents are going to be proud. I'm just telling you, this is going to be great. We always knew she had the physique, you know. I'm natural. Look at that arm. What do you think of doing here? I think I'm definitely going to write up a contract.

So it's fair, you know, like whether I miss or make it, either I get something or he gets something. Great. And I love the idea of a jersey so I can like really turn it into a passion, a hobby. I do too. And then, yeah, I will try and like turn my ring camera so we can get the... That's great. There you go.

A nice right, Sean. now you're thinking great you can watch your form later too you can watch tape i playback exactly you can watch film you can see more than technical deficiencies are yeah come why don't we do this actually why don't you do some shots bring it back on uh if steve and andy are around we'll try to come back and watch you game i don't if you let me back i need to see this okay so then let's do this meeting let's find a time to all all come back and we'll just do a quick follow-up where we'll all watch your game tape

and just talk technique a little bit. Just to see if we can kind of get you even better. We'll get you to be the number one trash hole in Oakland. You have an athletic legend, like, any Rodic, willing to look at your technique. I just, I need to like figure, I need to know the bio, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to win this. This is amazing. Yeah, let's win. Yeah.

We're invested. So Nadine. That hole is my Super Bowl, so I'm into it. So Nadine. Trash hole is our Super Bowl That's exactly right So Nadine, get yourself a jersey Get yourself some practice

As soon as you've got any sort of video You could send us Send to Nat and we will schedule a follow-up And don't sleep on proper footwear If you're doing this as flip-flops, you're not serious If you're doing it in flip-lops, you're not serious You really got to... I'm hanging up after that.

Come on, Nadine. Thank you. here. Our next caller requested that we remove any identifying information from his call. So please forgive the bleeps and enjoy. All right. Hello. Hey, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing great, man. Can I get your name, please? My name is. Hey, where are you calling from? I'm from. Wow. That's our first. And how old are you

I'm 26? 26. Well, you got a special one. You got the great and erotic is joining. We did a movie together and became buds and I'm really happy to have them. And then you got old show standby, Steve Berg, with us. Awesome. Wow.

So take it away and start letting us know what your issues are. So I live in and there's not really a terribly great way to meet people and I'm current I recently got broken up with and me and my buddy both kind of got broken up with at the same time so we're kind of trying to you know find a new way to put ourselves out there and stuff like that and through our searching we found that one of the breweries in town does a run club called lockers and joggers and yeah we really think that would be a cool way to meet

people, but we both don't really like working out. So we want to be part of the run club, but we don't actually want to do any of the running. I mean, this is administrative. You're the organizer. You get to be around

all the stuff. You get to help with all the things. You get to save the day when they're tired. Right? I mean, is this... Walk me through that, Andy. So you're saying he should just become part of the administration? You organize the run club. You are responsible. You are like the guy the Run Club that puts everything together.

Oh, I can't run the full time today because I have to make sure everyone has Capri's Sons at the end. It's like soccer when you're saying. Become the host slash parent. You would love to run. But you and your buddy, you got to make sure all the drinks are ready. Everything is ready.

But then you can constantly reference Run Club. And it's not like you're being a poser because you're a very important part of it. Yeah, you're wearing the shirt. Maybe you have a windbreaker. You know, like, and I like your idea about the pre-sons. snacks. I mean, like, you know, yeah, you, you would love to run, but you got the administrative work to do. Responsibilities. I love that. That's bulletproof. Let me, let me ask you a question.

What's your, what's your buddy's name? Uh, his name is, and why'd you get dumped? You know what happened? You guys both got dumped at the same time? What's cooking there? So, um, so, uh, yeah, so we're both friends from college. So I got dumped just, they, didn't see a future with me. Because he was out of shape. He's like, I mean, go for a jog. Wake a fucking sweat.

Or was your life? Your cardio, you're on, you've been on top of me for eight seconds. You literally only own flip-flops. You never fucking had a sneaker in your life. I'm afraid of your heart exploded. But what was the, what was the breakup?

Just roughly around. It might not mean anything. I'm just trying to see if there's something there. It was about like a month ago. Okay, early. Just happened. And how long were you with your partner? Not super long.

It was about like six months. Okay. So nothing too bad. And so you want, so basically it's you and this one guy hang out and is loggers and joggers? Is it a way to meet ladies or are you trying to meet or gentlemen, whatever you're going to do? That's what it's called, I believe. Is that right? That is what it's called.

Yeah. but are you looking to meet a significant other or is it just you're looking for friends I'm trying to get what is the point of this thing so I'm kind of just looking for friends but good old pal might be looking for something else so I'm just trying to help him out you know and let's let's miss you wouldn't mind if a little action came your way either of the female variety am I right about that I mean yeah you're not mad at that So, I mean, you're basically trying to figure out how to meet fit people. Right.

Slash women while not actually having to be fit yourself. I think that's what the question is. Okay. How do you join a Loggers and Joggers Club without jogging? Is it that clean in order to make friends? Do more logging. Well, yeah. Leaning through the logging.

That is true. I could lean into the logging. So just that, but also. So just, like, finding a way to kind of just put ourselves out there, I guess. Well, so then why don't we, so let's lean into loggers and joggers. Let's get you guys situated into that group. I like what Rodick's saying about being the head of it. I'm going to lean into a fake injury.

And I'm going to lean into all you guys need is go to a CVS or a Walgreens. It gets a neck brace. You get a ankle brace or one crutch. You show up to loggers and joggers. and you're here for it. You're wearing the shirt. This is. You're drinking the drinks.

Jake, this is fantastic because then you could be like, I'm hurt, but I want to power through a little with you. You know how much credit you would get for running one mile with a wrap on your ankle? You could be the fucking hero. And you're there.

As soon as this is healed, I'm all in. But for right now, I'm just cheering you guys, getting to know everybody. I'm going to drink extra loggers because I'm doing less jogging. But I wish I was, doing 50-50 and you guys are the injured mascots who cheer everybody on great attitudes great

attitudes you're so fucking pissed always on time always on time maybe you both have neck braces because you were in a car accident together and you got equal whiplash that's a tough one no jac like i'm no i just the neck braces thing it's like if you're going if you're if you're leaning into the logger part yeah you've ripped five of them you're going to take the neck brace off or you're just going to like, huh? And everyone's going to know. You're totally right. Right. Like you can't. Bill's doing what? Exactly right. It's like, tough to commit to it.

And someone's like, did you just regain full range of motion? Yeah, you're not wrong. Now, if you want some dramatic flare, I think something is simple as a crutch. Agreed. Crutch goes a long way. And maybe have a cast. Go ahead and get a cast and have people sign it. That's fun. Who doesn't love that? I think a cast is fun. I think it's way too much commitment. It might be, yeah. Wait, so, Steve, they're going to show up to the first meetup.

in a cast for running? I really don't ask the question. I like it. I like it. Yeah, you obviously put it together. It's going to take a little bit of time, two weeks, four, week, six weeks. I don't know. I don't know. But when you do it, you can say, guys, this is rough.

I still want to show up. It's still organized. We're still going to do it. But bad news, I got hurt. Wait, hold on. You preempt it with the email. I don't think they're organized it. I think it's a preexisting thing.

Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, it's through a brewery. You tell us a little bit more about the. actual, like, how does this club work? What are the mechanics behind this thing? So we kind of scouted it out a little bit. So, like a heist. But, so we pretty much, every Thursday at 6.30, a group just meets up and then they run

around kind of the downtown area. And then after, it's 50% off drinks. Hmm. Whoa. Oh, you're just trying to get a discount on your booze, man. See, there's always when you dive in deep, man, 30% in the college you go, it took us a mile to run a block here, man. Are you just trying to get 50% off with your buddy?

Because I'll tell you, the whole breakup story sounded fishy. You were like, yeah, why'd they break up? I don't know. Wasn't that serious? The other guy's hurting, though. What are you looking for? You looking for a partner? I don't know.

Is the beer any good? Is the beer great? Because it might be worth it. Uh, so, um, I actually am a year and a half sober. This is now, though, so confusing. I know, I know. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So one, one, one, congrats on being sober.

Two, you don't want to jog or drink in loggers and joggers. Right. This is madness. This is you're sending mixed messages to new friends. I'm always thinking you would, like, go the other way and go, find, like, a swimming club. Like, you know. How about just downloading a fucking app? I mean.

Yeah, but, hold on. So you really don't drink alcohol? No, I don't. I'm a year and a half sober. My buddy, on the other hand, does. Yeah, but it's not calling. No, he's not. I guess for me, I'm 26, and it's kind of like,

it's been hard putting myself back out there just because people are like, hey, let's go get a drink or hey, let's go do something. And it's hard to be like, hey, I'm actually a year and a half sober. I'm really sorry. I think the the game of trying to socialize as a single 26-year-old while sober is a fucking nightmare. You can do the, you can do the N.A. You can do the N.A. thing along as you joggers, right? It's hard.

Yeah. You can't. You could do a soda water with a lime that looks like a vodka soda. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But it is a different animal. I mean, I don't mean to be insincere here, okay? But this brings the neck brace back in.

I don't disagree Yeah, no And you can't drink Because you got a concussion Yeah Medical advice You would love to have a drink Well no actually that's as insane

Because here's why You're trying to like We have to always go back to reality On this show and you're looking to make friends Correct Yes You don't like to jog Correct

Yes It seems like you're craving community too right yeah but hold on stephen you don't like to exercise that's not your thing and you don't drink why are you going to loggers and joggers there's really not a lot going on in this town oh that's interesting so this for you feels like your kind of people we just got to figure out how to get you into the group where the fact that you don't jog doesn't matter and the fact that you don't enjoy the loggers or the joggers. Nothing matters.

We just want you at that bar with everybody socializing an hour and a half after the jog for once a week because by the fourth week, you're going to be buddies with people. Is there a sign up situation? Like you sign up a week ahead of time? Because the injury can happen anytime before you actually have to physically show up, right? Oh, yeah. Yes.

So sign up and then you get hurt. I think that's exactly right. Right? Could be a minor running related injury. Maybe you got Planned Fashitis. You're running too much. because you're running too much. Steve,

you're such a genius because planar fasciitis ebbs and flows. It's not like it has a distinct timeline. It can stick around for a while. Great call, Steve Berg. And it hurts.

It hurts bad. Now I want to say something to you, another thing, and I'm going to tap into Steve for a little bit. There's a move you could do that could get the attention off the jogging and the drinking.

The equivalent of Steve Berg bringing a casserole when he comes to somebody's house, What if you bring like homemade chicken wings? I love this. That's a great idea. So you didn't jog because of the planter in your foot. Yes.

You're not drinking or maybe you're drinking. You got an N.A. Who cares? No one's going to be like, what are you drinking? You're drinking something, even if it's a soda water. But you're the guy who's bringing the wings or something that's specific. Something unique to. We love this thing.

We just are joining. This is something. we love to do a little southern hospitality a little southern so everybody goes like hey man thanks i brought i brought pigs in a blanket i brought pigs in a blanket people are going hey can i have one you go i brought it for you yeah sure how you doing i'm have a toothpick have whatever you want i think this is what i'm is looking for this is the community he wants but it doesn't always have to be thursday night once he makes a couple buds they could get a lunch on a tuesday he's just using this as the pool of people where he goes those seem like my kind of people yeah this is a very easy way in

is this correct yes throw the neck brace on and what kind of what can you bring what's a specialty that's very you what's your best dish oh oh i really like making like so they have these very unique like brought worse in town where they're made from like gator meat which is the most southern thing i've ever said. Yep. Yeah. If you fucking brought gator dogs, dude.

Shoot. You're a friend. That's like making an old war buddy in five minutes. Dude. You can also like, I mean, like honestly like as it goes on, you become this hero

who's bringing awesome, delicious snacks. You can start picking off the all-stars and form your own group, man. Dude, Ricky, oh right. Ricky, you just ran 10 miles. I brought fucking gator dogs. Way to go.

By the way, you're totally right. Nobody's bragging about their time. No. When he's handing out Gator dogs. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of think we might be on to something here, and that is neck brace, which you can have. You sign up, you tweak your neck.

It's kind of a drag. And then you bring a bunch of gator dogs. So you start, you run a little bit, and then you just go like, fuck, it's not it, guys. Yeah. You ever seen those scooters that people would like, who got like, MCL surgery and they have one leg on the scooter and they kind of scoots them those are cool as hell. So if you wanted some dramatic

flare, I mean who doesn't love someone on a scooter? Like I agree. At a bar, especially if someone's got to, and then you be the cool guy, you let people use your scooter? You're giving babes rides on it? I mean, you know what? You know what doesn't you know what does not scream short term injury?

Scooter. Yeah, agree. Good point. If you have a scooter. That's a dead giveaway. Nine months. But if you're also, and I got to say most people with foot injuries that have scooters aren't cool with you letting people use the scooter they're pretty precious with it so somebody that's pretty liberal with the scooter usage is pretty cool where you're like my foot's all fucked up like it's a cool scooter and you go like oh and they go you can use it if you want i'd go like you're letting me use your

scooter and your injury you're such a cool guy i don't care i'm sure what if things get like extracurricular though and you want to go home with somebody or you want to have a lunch on a Tuesday, do you have to then have the scooter with you the whole time? He's feeling better. He's starting to feel better. Yeah, it was a two to four week thing and I was on a week four. I'm taking an avil today.

Yeah. You make a bad on Thursday. I didn't need it today. I'm going to need it Thursday. When you're hearing all this, where are you at, man? I think it's all great advice. I think the scooter thing is great. I think the food idea is also a really good idea.

Like, I think this is all like really good advice. I can definitely, I can definitely try out the scooter thing. Do we need two separate injuries for him and for him, though? Didn't call in. I think that's going to worry about it itself. This is ever met for himself. This is war, man. He did

say he will follow any advice you're willing to give. I don't think we could have two scooters. I think that's insane. That's insane. Yeah, we're crazy. Especially with gator dogs. You can't have two scooters with gator dogs. No. By the way, if two guys, both have scooters and they're handing to gator dogs,

they didn't run, not my friends. If one guy is handing me a gator-dow with his scooter and the other guy is a neck brace, my friends. By the way, throw just a neck brace on yeah, there you go. You guys got injured together. Yeah.

Doing what guy? Doing what? What were you doing? Catching the gator. Maybe Nick is amateur MMA. I don't know, you know. I mean, it could be, Sam, what do you think about you guys got hurt together? I kind of say cut off and survive on your own here. And also you'll have new friends, man. You'll have a whole new group of friends.

I think a double injuries, I think a double injury is insane. It's just stories insane. So back to you, bud. Take us out of here. What are you going to do, bud? I think faking an injury sounds like pretty good. Like we can, I'll toy with the idea of maybe just doing like a mild injury to maybe the scooter. then, you know, good buddy will, you know, he can be the supportive friend or, you know,

ditching him could also work. But, you know, I can't, I can't ditch him. Here's the reality on this. Not with an attitude like that. Here's the reality. If, let's say Steve and I went to a loggers and joggers and he wasn't jogging because he got hurt, it's not weird for me to say, I'm going to hang with my buddy tonight. So, shit is allowed to be your plus one on the injury.

but one of you needs a valid excuse. And that's right, Andy? It could also be like this super like gentlemanly, like guy who helps you, like helps you up off a chair. He's like, you know, oh, he's got to help his buddy who's injured. I think if you go too far. Can you go, can you bring a plus one the first time that you're going to a club and not participate in anything?

We don't. He's going to drink. Well, no, but it's not part of the. Who's like you guys both signing up for the club and then just both not doing anything? Yes, pretty much. you better you better you better make enough gator dogs man yeah and the mustard have never been by the way and you're not wrong two guys coming in and then not doing it you're plus one the first time like are we thrown hail mary's in the first quarter what are we doing

right because then that might you here's the only fear you got some purists there who are like are these guys just here for the 50% off because there's always a guy in the group who's a bit of a dick What if you went like one or two times and then it was like, hey, I have a buddy who wants to come. Is that cool? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Then it's easier. It's like you already brought the dogs.

You already got a little goodwill. You got a thing. I have an idea. I have an idea. Yeah, go. Cook. You guys go. You twist your ankle during the job.

Helps you out. Yeah. And you video it. Yeah. Go pro, please. So the gator dogs is week two. But week one, you're in shorts in a t-shirt. You fake an injury.

And then when people go, you're okay, you go like this. Guys, keep going, keep going. And if somebody's trying to be cool, you're like, honestly, thank you. And he goes, he's my old friend. I'll carry this lug back. We'll see you guys back there. Do not let anybody else stop. You have the best attitude.

And then people go like, dude, how's your ankle? You go, okay, next week you're in a scooter, but you got hurt there. You're part of the group. It's, yeah, it's kind of fucked up. No way. And then, he goes, I'm going to hang with my buddy, why. I don't need this guy to be all sad and lonely. He loves fucking joggers and loggers.

Loves it. But he stepped on a rock weird. I think this is great. Where are you at? Ring the bell. I think this is, yeah, I think this is the best. I think that that seriously could work really well. Don't undersell the pain, though.

Like, you can give, don't go like, oh, don't moan for a minute. It's one, ah! And then you're down. And then it's like, oh, man. And then you're undersell. from there on out, but it's a big yell, understated. And then do the stand-up look mad? Try to start.

I like the mad. And he's mad you can't participate. The only thing I want to do is jog today. That's wrong, Steve. Don't take it away for me. That too much? That's Disney Channel. Too much.

Dial it back. Yeah, I would say, you're mad about the pain. So you have, you have to do this, right? And the thing of, are you going to actually do this? perhaps what do you mean perhaps i'm probably going to do it yeah i'm probably going to do so hold on if part of this show is we're happy to pitch but then we would like to all agree on something so if you're not what are you going to do okay i i think the faking an injury is probably what i'm going to end up doing like showing up and really like selling it really hard so you like that

rather than getting hurt during the run. No, no, no, that is, forgive me. That is, yeah, that's what I meant. Okay, so you're just going to show up like you're there for loggers and jogger's. Start the jog, minute three, block three. Just fucking tweak that ankle. You don't even have to go all the way down. You just do like a, ah, fuck, fuck.

Oh, gosh. Yeah, fuck. This can't be happening. Just do that like you kick your leg out. You just go, fuck, fuck, man. Shit. And then your buddy goes like, you're all right? And you go like this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. I just tweak my bad ankle. And then all of a sudden there's a doctor amongst the group of jockers. I'm like, yeah, it looks fine.

100% fine. No information. Thanks, man. Thank you for the call. Follow up with us. We'll talk to you in a couple weeks. For sure. Awesome.

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