We're Here to Help - 225: Weird Here to Help Halloween Special: Real Magic & Closing Down the Store (with John E. L. Tenney)

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Steve Berg and Eric Edelstein are joined by paranormal investigator John E. L. Tenney for this special Halloween edition of Weird Here to Help, featuring a young witch who wants to follow in her mother's footsteps and a ghost story from the shadow of Mount Shasta.For more John E. L. Tenney, check out his podcast What's Up, Weirdo: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whats-up-weirdo/id1557205678Want to call in? Email your question to [e-mail]: https://patreon.com/heretohelppodMERCH: heretohelppod.comINSTAGRAM: @HereToHelpPodIf you’re enjoying the show, make sure to rate We’re Here to Help 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts.Visit gemini.google/students to learn more and sign up. Terms apply.Advertise on We’re Here to Help via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. I'm so excited to be here. It is Halloween season, and boy, do we have the most perfect guest possible? The first guest, I'm weird here to help. Steve, break it down. Okay, okay. First off, folks, Eric and I are considering this a Halloween spectacular. Happy Halloween, it's my favorite holiday, my favorite time of year.

It's magical. It's wet. There's leaves in the ground. It's spooky. It's got everything I love in life. And today, I have brought on... We have brought on one of my favorite. Look, he's a great friend. He is one of my heroes. He is one of the funniest people I have ever seen perform alive. And that is John E. L. Tenney, paranormal expert. John, how are we doing, brother? I'm doing good. I don't know how funny I am. I mean, maybe on stage I'm a little goofy. Okay, so I've, look, I've seen John lecture three or four times. And the first time I saw him was in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

And John just ripped the roof off this place. First off, I went up to, I go, I don't think this is a lecture. You're doing, like, performance art stand-up. To me, he's the George Carlin of the paranormal, where it's, he is laying down mind-blowing things and concepts. You're like, I never looked at the world like this, yet you're laughing your ass off with a delicious cocktail in your hand. Like, it is a rock show.

But John, like, tell us a little bit about yourself in terms of, like, your history with high strange. and, you know, the occult and the paranormal and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. And not to brag on John, friends, we're bringing in one of the world's foremost experts on all of this stuff. And this is such a gift to all of you. I'm so grateful to Steve for knowing him and even more grateful to John E.L. Tenney

for being here. Yes. Thank you for saying that, Eric. No, I'm so happy to be here. And my history, like, I didn't grow up with anything. I didn't grow up with any religion. My parents didn't believe in anything. I didn't grow up in a haunted house.

I wasn't like abducted as a child or anything like that by aliens. Like I was just a punk rock kid in Detroit who didn't like people telling me that I couldn't, couldn't think about things. And I couldn't, couldn't live my life a certain way. And I used to skip school and I was bad at skipping school. So I would go to the library when I skipped school. And the guy who lived in my neighborhood that was always at the library was Jack Kovorkian. And this is before. No!

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this was before he had done any of his assistant suicides and stuff, but he was like my first mentor. He would like give me these weird books to read about philosophy and the universe and life. And then I met my first kind of local witch. Her name was Gondella, Marian Cucalo, and she taught me my first spells. And then I met another guy who was a JFK assassinologist. And I started helping him with his lectures. And by 1990, I was talking about any and everything weird, ghost UFO. like I didn't want to be pigeonholed into one thing because I was like this world is so vastly strange and weird like how can I only talk about ghosts I also have to talk about like time traveling aliens and I have to talk about everything and how it all no one knows anything about it like it's also personalized like I need to hear all the stories from everyone all the time and now it's you know I started working on unsolved mysteries in the 90s as a researcher and then it was just off to the races I mean the 90s was kind of slow it was a a lot of VHS movies about UFOs, like doing stuff like that. I had them all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then in the early 2000s, they started doing ghost hunting shows. And here I was.

I was still relatively young, but had 15 years of research and lectures behind me. So I started working with all the ghost shows. And now, look, I get to talk to Steve and Eric. Yes. Yay! Well, and like one thing, when I found John, the reason I, like, was so, like, entranced by his, like, you know, his. his energy is that like he is an all purpose weirdo and I say it with all the love of the world

because I consider myself an all purpose of weirdo because a lot of these people in these fields are like well I'm just a ghost guy I'm just a UFO guy and like or they're all maybe sort of related or they're not but like John is like he's also not a credulous person who's like I believe this I believe that it's like he is wildly skeptical and has like the most level head about this stuff right, John? Because you're not just a guy. It's like, this is real. And you never claim to know what things are, which I love about you, too. Yeah, like, I think that when people start telling you exactly what you experienced, that's the wrong path that someone is on. Like, it's your experience. Like I said, these things are hyper-personalized, I think, for a reason. And so

when someone says, like, well, it doesn't fit in this box of this, like, I'm not going to jump and believe everything. As a matter of fact, because I'm a researcher, the hardest thing I have to do is say like this might have happened, this could have happened, this, you know, instead of jumping on one side, once you don't believe in anything, everything's fake. Once you do believe in everything, everything's real, right? The hardest line to walk is to say like, well, that's your experience. Let's talk about it. Let's see where it comes from. And to your point, Steve, like, there's ghost guys and there's alien hunters and there's bigfoot people. At a very early age, like it hit me in my brain at some weird part where I was like, when it comes to ghosts,

always talk about full-bodied apparitions. When it comes to aliens, we always imagine a big alien head. And then, like, the third major phenomenon is literally a big foot. And if you put them all together, you have a whole body. You have a head, a body, and feet, right? So it's one phenomena presenting itself in a multitude and an array of possibilities. Oh, God, Eric, look at, Eric, huh? What about that? Oh, you know, I believe. You like that? You know I believe. No, that is so cool to Tie it all in. I told you. He's this guy.

He's the guy. This is the guy right here. Oh, Ben, I'm all right. I'm all right. Oh, you bet it's all right, you. I'm all right. Well, one thing I just want to mention I was talking about earlier was John's lectures. And the thing I really gravitated towards John, sorry, John, I'm not trying to embarrass you.

But like, I think in what a lot of people miss about the fun of the paranormal and euphology and cryptids is the huge. humor. And I'm not talking about laughing at people's trauma or people's fears. But however, when you're hearing a story about a flying saucer landing in a cornerfield in 1957 and a purple fuzzball rolls down, rolls out of this thing, I'm sorry that is humorous to me. And I do think part of the reason I love these stories and love these topics so much is because it is some of the funniest stuff I have ever heard in my life. And for some reason, the funnier and weirder it is, the more I believe it. I don't have anything to base that off of, but you know, I know what I'm saying, John?

Yeah, I'm right there with you. Like I, this is going back five or six years now, but in Michigan, we have a cryptic called the dog man. And so this old farmer living up in northern Michigan, he was like, you got to come up and see. I saw a dog man on my property. Like, you got to come up. And so I went, like, I want to see a dog man. I tell people all the time, if you get the chance to do something and it's safe, do it because we're here to have an experience, right? And so I went up to his farm and I got there and he was telling me he saw this upright canine that was like seven feet tall standing on time legs hell yeah but then he says yeah it was leaning against that part of the fence he gestures to this part of his fence he goes it was leaning against that fence and it was smoking a

cigarette and I was like okay now I love this story yes exactly I'm so with you I'm so not that not that I didn't let and he goes yeah so he's like I came out and I saw this huge tall dog thing smoking a cigarette leaning against my fence and when I walked toward it it did a backflip over the fence and took off into the woods. And I was like, now I love this story more. Now I have like an acrobatic cigarette smoking dog man. Like that's way better than just a dog man. That's beautiful.

And it's like when people say like, oh, but he's just making stuff up, but why? Like, why is he making that up? Like, he's not going to get in the newspaper. He's not writing a book about it. He's not going to make a film about it. He called me some random guy in Michigan that he knows, investigates weird stuff. So he talks to one person, right? And then maybe five years later, I tell this story on a podcast.

Like, there's no reason for him to make up a cigarette smoking dog man. But so I don't think he did. I think he saw it. I believe. I'm with you. Also, before we jump into calls, I also do want to recommend to listeners. John has an amazing podcast called What's Up Weirdo. And it's with his best buddy, Jessica Napik, who is a absolute legend that we have to get in the show eventually.

But it is one of the most pleasant, wonderful. shows you can garden to it you can walk to it you can cook a lovely dinner to it but it's literally just two friends having a conversation that they would normally have but they actually is just recorded and it is all good vibes and it's so funny it's insightful and I just can't recommend it enough so check out what's up weirdo hopefully we can put a little link in the show notes to that but um y'all are you guys ready to take some calls let's do it let's do it all right happy Halloween, everyone. Let's jump in. And we're brought to you by Kachava.

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Sabrina, great, great, great fake name. Sabrina, just so we can know just a tiny bit about you, you're in a desert island. You can only take one movie, one book, one album. What are you picking? Okay. Okay. Okay, for album rumors, free with Mac, that's a classic. Great call. Great call, witchy, too.

For movie, another classic, Shrek. I don't think there's a better movie. Never seen it. Never seen it. Never seen it. Really? I haven't either. I haven't either. Yep. I would recommend seeing it. It's a lot of lightness and good, but also the real tragedy was Chris Farley recorded basically all of it. And they redid it with Myers. And there's another parallel universe where Farley was. I don't know. I know. I'm sorry. I think your team, this is a team that would all prefer Chris Farley to the comedic stylings of Myers as much as we love him.

It wasn't going to be Scottish and it was going to be Chris Farley and just being himself. And it's so sad we lost that. But we love and respect your pick of Shrek. And then finally, what book would it be? Well, okay, right now I am reading Project Hail Mary and I need to know how it ends. So that is my pick in this moment. What, what, is that about Doug Flutty? What, what is that? Project Hail Mary. Yeah. What is that book about? So it's about, okay, so it's like the space pollution and the sun is getting dimmer.

Yeah. So they send someone to space to try to solve the problem and save humanity. Okay, fair enough. Love it. And that's a perfect thing because you are on not only with Steve and I, but John E. L. Tenney, who's the world's foremost expert on all of this stuff, undiscovered crypto creatures. This is truly, as Steve said, this is the closest thing we have to Fox Mulder in this life.

And he is digging, finding more, and there is nobody you're in better hands with than this great man. So please, Sabrina, what is going on? Weird here to help. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. so a couple of years ago my mom sat me down and she told

me that we descend from a long line of witches okay awesome okay lucky you we're just immediately out the gates going boom no way what a conversation is that I want to hear a little bit about

she sits you down you don't know what she's talking about what does she say I'm just sending from a long line of farmers that's a little boring but so that was it It's like, anyways, hon, we're, you know, we're descended from a long line of wishes.

How does a tuna salad sound? Was that simple? Yeah. She said she'd tell me more when I'm older. Like, you're just going to tell me that. So a year later, like, hey, I have some follow-ups. I am older. Can you give me a little more info?

And all she said was that one day I would need to decide if I wanted to use my talent. Ha! Awesome. Agreed, King. Awesome. Wow. So that's my dilemma. I don't know. I haven't made my decision. I don't know how to make it or what that looks like.

Just for clarification, you had the follow-up meeting with Ma. And she said, all right, now it's time to decide if you want to go down this path or not. And you're kind of at the fork of the road where it's like, do I want to live a normie life? Or do I want to be an awesome weirdo? Is that kind of where we're at? Well, she didn't say now was the time to decide. She said that I will need to decide. So the timeline is unclear.

Okay. Because you do have to choose this, right? It's eventually in that cosmic other world, you do have to make this active choice. Is that kind of correct, John? You know what? It's interesting because people are normally, like, we practice magic all the time. we just don't really see it as magic. And so, like, just taking up the mantle itself, calling yourself a witch is pretty cool.

And having ancestry through witchcraft is awesome. But, like, you're probably, we're all doing magic all the time. Like, whether we know it or not. When people grow their beards out for a sports team, you're doing sympathetic magic. Like, growing your beard out, you think that helps the team? People do, and they think that's magic, you know? Sabrina, you mentioned in your email a conversation with your aunt. would you mind sharing that detail as well?

Another witch, of course. No, so she's not. I asked her about it, and she had no idea what my mom was talking about. What? We know. And how did your mom phrase it when she said you come from a long line of witches? Like, I'm sure you're thinking this is a normal conversation.

How did she phrase it? And it had to freak you out? Yeah, she, I want you to know that we do just. send from a long line of witches. Well, here's something I would say as just a first volley, right? Like, whenever I'm about ready to embark on maybe like a new, like a phase of my life, research for me personally is key. Like, I'm wondering if like, you know, because like we all have our ideas of like, you know,

witches and entertainment and media. And I'm not always exactly sure that's the best representation of what a witch is. John, please jump in there any time. I think maybe doing a little research, I'm not sure if there's like a go-to book to understand witchcraft or what it is. John, what do you think? Yeah, you know what's interesting is

if this is like a matriarchal witch line or something like that, it might be that your aunt refused to be a witch, which is why she doesn't talk about it. Wow. Have you done a deep dive on your genealogy? I would want to immediately find out

the specifics on those witches in your line. how far it goes back, the power they have. Right. Have you done that yet? So my uncle is really into genealogy, and I was talking to him last week, and I asked him if he knew anything about this. And he went through all the family members

and said there's no way any of them were witches. So I'm kind of stumped. I think the uncle and the aunt know, and they're trying to keep you out of it and playing coy. I think you absolutely come from a line of witches. And I think there is now kind of a family battle for where you're going to go. Of course, they're playing dumb, but I don't think your mom's going to make that up. I think your aunt, your uncle have decided the other way and they're playing dumb and acting like they're not.

I think you have to do some research now on your own. Talk to your mom about the witch lineage. Okay. Or is it because, I mean, basically what you're asking is like, Should I jump in to which crap or should I not? Like, I guess for, I guess for me personally, my take would be I would jump in so fast and so dramatically. And that's a bit of, Steve, we love you for it, but I think that's a little scary. It is.

Because if you make this decision, it's going to come with the cost. And there's going to be positives and negatives. John, what do you think the ramifications are if she chooses, to join this maternal line of witches. I don't think that there's actually that much to personally worry about. I mean, all your, like I said earlier, like so many people are already like thinking, sending out good intentions and good vibes and good energy. Like, that's already magical, right?

It's just with a witch with a witchcraft line, it's like if it's in the blood, if it's in the family, that's so much stronger and cooler. So like, and you might find people push back against you, whether it's family members or friends that's the biggest thing that most people encounter is they get stigmatized right like oh you're a witch and then they want to make fun of you or there's families i don't know your family in particular but there's families because of their religious beliefs that separate on this stuff like that might be an aspect too between like why one side of the family pretends to not know anything about it or doesn't know anything about it and another part of the family does like there's a whole lot to consider when you're like trying to figure out

if you want to embrace a magical life. Right. Well, and John, you know, being invited to John for a little while now and knowing a lot about it, like, John, you do like an honor to your ancestors. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we all, so like in my house, I have an altar with all of my old family members on it. Everybody, I don't even know some of them because they're like great, great, great, great,

grandfathers and grandmothers and stuff, but there's, my family is on it. And every morning when I wake up, like, I make the first cup of coffee I make every day, I set a cup of coffee that goes up there to them. Oh, how cool. I love it. I love it. That way I'm having coffee with all of my ancestors. And one of the things that I say is I, you know, because we all have ancestors that are problematic, the thing that I's kind of, while I'm drinking my coffee, I say, like, for all of you that were good, I'm going to make you proud.

And for all of you that were terrible, I'm going to be better. Like, I'm going to be better. It's so great. Oh, that's beautiful. Breaking links, starting links with the good. Yeah. By the way, John, I literally copied that. Like, I have my grandpa and my great-grandpa and my grandma and my aunt all on one, like, little shelf, and I give them a little flute every morning. I literally copied. And don't forget, you should put a little, I have a little frame with a blank piece of paper on it, too, right? Because there's ancestors that I'll never know. And so, like, I have to keep that in my mind, too. And a little mirror so that you also see yourself because someone in the future is going to look back on you as either their mentor or their ancestor. This is great. Like, you know, Sabrina, I almost like this as a first volley while you're kind of in this soul-searching period of deciding what you want to do. And like you said,

there's no time on your mother gave. It's not like you have to decide. You have 10 years to decide, honey. But like, I love, first of all, I'm just a big fan of the ancestor altar. I think this, it's just a beautiful thing. I wonder, since this is a lineage thing that goes back, maybe it's time to discuss it with some of the ancestors have a little a little round table you know what I'm saying and like with a Ouija board no I'm not necessarily like saying you have to use a tool of divination but I'm anti-weegee they terrify me that's my lane I will say I recently went to one of my healers and for the first time ever he called up ancestors because he says that ancestors limiting beliefs or trauma that happen to ancestors can continue on and we have

have to take an active role in stopping that. I think it's exactly what John just said to those ancestors that aren't in alignment with where you want to be, actively choosing to break that. When I say something like that to you, how do you feel in your gut? How does it hit you spiritually? Well, okay. I have two sides. On one, all of the witch talk has been good for me and my mom and our relationship. It's closer. Awesome. It's really nice. On the other hand, no one else in my family is bought in. So it's almost like, you know, and you have both.

Well, have you asked your mom why no one else in the family knows about this when you question or you do not want to like, I mean, like, because that would be my first thing. I'd be like, Mom, I love this. This is great. I, you know, might be a witch. However, like, you know, Auntie Beth and Uncle Jimmy Boy, like, they have no idea what you're talking about. Like, have you asked your mom that? Like, you know, I mean, I would maybe consider having that conversation, too, to find out why no one else in the family apparently knows about this.

Yeah, I would guess stigma. She's kind of funny about talking about it. Mm-hmm. You know, she doesn't really want it to be, like, that's why I went with a fake name. Right, right, sure. She's very kind of hush-hush, and she, I think it was kind of a secret she shared. Oh, I love it. And I think even if your uncle doesn't believe, you need to start with him in the genealogy

and know that this may be possible. His feelings on it, one thing, you need to start digging into that maternal bloodline. And you can just get names and play poker with him and then start to do a deep dive on who these people in that line were. What if a whole bunch of magical stuff happened to them? I'm already thinking, I believe you have this power. Whether or not you choose to tap into it is your decision. but if you do, if you could start spreading

and casting a tiny spell and other big guy actors in Hollywood that Steve and I are battling for parts. Nothing too serious, just like, you know, a sprained ankle, but Daddy and I want to work. And I wish love on all those other big guy actors. Don't do it to Mike Mitchell, because I love him. I'm big respect to Paul Walter Houser,

but just some of those other big guy actors, Steve and I are battling with just a weeny, tiny little. Well, come on, we have pets to feed. Okay, this is another question I have. How do you make sure, you know, let's say I do go with this and I do want to be a witch. How do I make sure I'm a good witch, right? Like, what are there witch ethics? John?

John, I'm referring to you. Yeah, yeah. So there are witch ethics, which are you don't do unkind to people, right? So this is kind of when witches talk about a three-fold. Like if you send something out into the world. it comes back to you three times. And so if you curse someone, like that returns back three times as much, right? So whenever you're spell crafting or casting or doing any kind of conjuring, like you have

to set your intentions to be good, to be positive, right? So you wouldn't actually cast spells on bad actor or, you know, actors that you didn't want to get parts. You would just cast good spells on the actors you do want to have good parts, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're not, okay, I love that. That's better than me putting curses on another big guys. It leaves me out of Eric's curse, by the way.

Yeah, I don't want to, like, yeah. What if I start getting cluny parts, though, Steve? Then you're going to want to be in. Come on. They don't know why. They don't know why. It's supposed to be this, like, James Bond type figure for some reason they got this big guy. Also, Steve's right.

Look, let me just get a little bit of that curse. I also think it's really kind of beautiful what you said about this was something your mother shared with you. because like this is a he this is probably a healing process for her too right like she's been carrying around a secret and now she has someone to share it with and this is something between you and her and only you two like that can be a super special thing you know i didn't like cars growing up my dad was a mechanic but like i had to go out in the garage and eventually i realized it wasn't about fixing cars it was about being with my dad right and so it became super special like to the both of us i i love this here's what i would do you want to know what i would i would do i would i would start doing some your of your own research which i think is going to be an absolute blast like sitting on a sunday afternoon hopefully it's rainy you have a hot cozy drink maybe some finger foods or you know an egg cell sandwich or something none of that is is important of this issue but please none of it is one must be satiated when they're looking into witchcraft if you don't do that on the stomach john i'll tell you that

And then I would also invite your mother over for some coffee cake and say, look, mom, mom, I'm serious. Well, it's always got to be paired with something. Come on. Come on. You sit your sweet mother down and say, mom, I am seriously considering going down the left-hand path of witchcraft. What does this entail? How is this going to change my life? Is there anything I should be know about or be concerned about?

like is this risky mom i know you want what's best for me so lay it out in the table let's talk about it because i don't want to jump in and then jump back out okay so make an informed decision always always always yeah don't do something on a whim especially something like this because i feel like if like i feel like if you're going to go into this you kind of have to go in knowing what's what what the deal is okay and i'm part of making that spectral decision is she's going to have to lay out both sides to you. The cost and the benefits, because that's kind of part of choosing

this life. Am I correct to Matt? Yeah, for sure. I assume so. But I wasn't for me. No, no, for both of us, I think. Like, I think one of the things that I mentioned earlier, too, right? Like, for female and female

presenting people, like, the world of witchcraft is actually much easier to enter into, right? Because, like, when I was growing up as a cis white old man like i was given a baseball bat to play with like right but like girls and women like they were doing numerology to figure out who they were going to marry they were uh folding cootty catchers to predict the future like like like you had sleepover parties where you floated each other light as a feather stiff as a board right and so like there's you're already doing like that your community like female and female presenting people community is like already engaged in like

this really beautiful idea of sharing like these magical secrets with each other. So you're probably already like, I'm just guessing, but you're probably already like talking to animals and like talking to trees and picking up flowers and cool shiny stones. Like that's stuff that's just like inborn natural witchcraft. And so like, yeah, just make an informed decision and spend those special times with your mom. Like that's, I think, real magic. Yeah. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. It's like, I think, like, I don't see a downside. I only see upsides with this. And I think if nothing happens, the witchcraft stuff doesn't really float your boat,

well, then you bonded and hung with your mom. This is, I mean, like, you know, I don't see a downside to, you know, dipping a toe into witchcraft. But here we said. What do you think, Sabrina, talk to me? Okay. So I have a couple of follow-ups. So one, I was gifted tarot cards.

Hell yeah. And I don't really know what I'm doing with them, right? But I have made attempts with friends and a little booklet to tell you what the cards mean. Sure. And I made, you know, I did a reading for my mom and also with her. And they were really accurate. And that's a little freaky when you're not really sure what you're doing. Yeah.

You know, so is this something... Wow. Sabrina, I think you have the power. Thank you. Well, I think terror was a great, like, place to start. So, I mean, it sounds like you've already gotten started. I mean, like, John was kind of saying, giving an example, like, you probably got started when you made your first cootie catcher back in the day.

In fact, I was starting a cootie catcher when I hang out with Eric, you know. Oh, no, man. Oh, so hold on. Let me take this arrow out of my back. Okay. But I do think, I think like using some tools of divination is fine. I'm not scared of Ouija boards. However, you know, there is a, you know, a lot of people are.

So you don't have to like go there. But I think tarot is a great place to start, you know, like, why not? And for my little comment on tarot, too, like, taro is one of those things where, you know, whether it's art or music or whatever, you have to like learn the rules before you unlearn the rules. Because eventually what's going to happen, Sabrina, is, Even if you know what every single card means, when you do these flips and you do these reads for people, you're going to feel differently than what the cards are saying to you. And that's what most terror readers do right now.

Like people who have been reading terror for years and years and years, they're not even paying attention to what the original meaning of the cards were. Like if I flip, you know, a man carrying a sword, like it means something different to me just because of the people I'm talking to in the moment and the experience I'm having. So like, don't worry about, you know, if it doesn't. seem to be going right? Like, how does it feel when you're doing it? Yes. Okay. Absolutely. Vives are huge. Pay attention to your own vibes, right? Yeah. And so having tarot cards is cool. Get yourself a little pendulum to swing, you know? Learn some pendulum swing back and forth. Yes and no. I carry a yes and no coin around in my wallet when I get into a weird decision. I let the coin flip decide, right? Like I give the universe a chance to be strange with me and like tell me what to do.

universe let's go um so yeah it there's just really have fun with it yes and john will you explain what the pendulum does because one of my favorite healers that i've had uh she is absolutely very powerful of like of like of like 50 healers by the way oh yeah there's a lot of this big old body are you kidding but she has this pendulum john and i swear it jumps and helps to provide her answers how do those pendulums work? Yeah. So, I mean, it starts with just finding yourself one that you feel connected with, a pendulum you feel connected with, and then you actually can train it. So you can tell it, you can tell it, like, hold it, you know, every day for a couple minutes and tell it like, show me yes, show me yes, show me yes. And eventually you start watching what it does. And then you can say,

show me no, show me no, tell me. And you can get real specific with that there was a guy named T.C. Lethbridge back in the 60s. And he trained it to to find gold on. his property in England, and he, like, wrote a whole book called The Power of the Pensionelm because he would walk around, and he's got pieces and museums all over England because he used a pendulum. He taught it how to find gold. Oh, yes. No.

What? Sabrina, you could get staking rich off this. Not when you're connecting with your mom, you can buy your mom a new house. And 20% of all gold found through the Johnny Yield Tending pendulum goes back to weird here to help industries. And we do have a real good lawyer, Sabrina. Yeah. Honey, of course, we're going to have to take our taste, you know?

Like, we get a Vig on us. We gave you the pendulum wisdom. You get that gold. You got to kick it back. I'd hate to have a curse put on you because we know a lot of witches ourselves. No, this is crazy. I just experienced the pendulum with someone that I met at a bachelorette party, and we just met, but we have the same last name.

What? Oh, you're being good. Yeah, my God, friends. All sides are poor. pointing to you jumping to the left-hand path of witchcraft. I'm telling you, like, you don't have to, like, dive in full force like I would necessarily. Like, I would be running light speed. I'd be Carl Lewis through that, all right?

Carl Lewis. That's a dated reference. Yeah, we got Steve Berg's references. Carl Lewis, the television show Dallas, Steely Dan. But, I mean, Sabrina, I already think, and I think perhaps you can feel it as well, you're already on a path and you're being guided, even down to the fact that you, call in today and it's John E.L. Tenney. Instead of God bless, two character actors doing the very best they can, but you have the world's foremost expert on this. And I think you're about to get

in touch with a whole lot of power that's inside of you waiting to be woken up. So Sabrina, walk us through your game plan. And we can help you with this game plan. Okay. So I need to do more research. I need to learn more about this family lineage. Yes. I need to call my uncle. and see what intel I can get from him, but I don't want to tell him exactly what it's for. Right, sure. And then I can take that and draw some of my own inferences, and then I can take that to my mom.

Yeah. And we can do our own side project. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, I think that's a pretty good path to follow, you know, for now. Okay. Okay. This will be good.

Angelom, tarot, and ancestor, alter, and sending huge vibes for Steve John and I to have continued career success, most importantly. Right, because, yeah, that's step three, once I know what I'm doing. Yes, there we go. You're welcome. You too, I mean, like, look, all the cosmic science

are kind of pointing to you, it also sounds like if you would not be calling us if you weren't interested in doing this. So I would say lean into it. Life is about experimentation, and I think, like, not only that, like, you know, we live in a time where we're constantly having our lives trying to be disenchanted. And I think it's good to enchant your life. That's my personal opinion because there's a lot of negativity out there. And there's nothing wrong with finding

a way to personally, it doesn't have to be like any other person's way. Like John was, you know, mentioning his altar to his ancestors. That, I've never heard anyone else doing that. That's his form. So you can find out your own kind of methodology in what's comfortable for you. But I say, enchant your life. Dip your tone to witchcraft. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun, if nothing else. And if I can just comment, Sabrina, really quick, just so this is something I say in my lectures, too, because a lot of times people get really upset if they're called weird or weirdos or stuff like that.

Like the first time I got called weird, right? But here's the thing to remember, right? People don't know what that word means. Words are important to it for witches. I mean, it's literally called spelling, right? Like words are important. And the word weird is from the 14th century. it was spelled W-Y-R-D, and it meant the people who manifest their own destiny.

That's what a weirdo is. So when someone calls you a weirdo, you say, I absolutely 100% am on my own path and doing my own thing. Like, it's the greatest compliment someone can give you. A fucking men. I love that. Right? And we're all here to help. So, well, this is a pack of weirdos who love this and embrace this and find,

a whole lot of meaning and understanding and for me a path forward. Yeah, thank you. Well, Sabrina, you're stuck with us, friend. You are stuck with this team here. We believe you are meant to call here with Johnny Elteni today and we are dying to hear what is next for you.

And please keep us updated. I will. I really appreciate it. I think with that last comment, my big hesitation is the stigma. and the weirdness so um yeah i think your words are really helpful yeah let's see you a lesson because i think for a long time we probably push this aside i don't i was not looking to go on a podcast to talk about all the crazy healers in my life that i put out my stones in the full moon and everything

else but there's been such a wonderful amount of stuff happening from acknowledging my own weirdness yeah playing weirdos touching in with all that kind of stuff and i think you you're about to have so much fun. And also, these guys are right, the connection with your mom. Yeah. There's no downside. I think go have a ball with it.

Learn about it. Get into it. It's going to be fun. Pull one of your friends into it if they're interested. You know, like, I don't know. Go have a blast, Sabrina. This is going to be great. Thank you guys so much.

This is very helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Sabrina. Yeah, happy Halloween to you. Happy Halloween. Thank you all. Thank you. Bye, friend.

our callers rule whoa that was great amazing so fun amazing John what are you doing with the rest of your life because we need you here my god

I'll tell you what like if I had if my mom stabbed here's the reality Steve you're from a long line of warlocks I mean like nothing would be better to hear I mean I'd be so pumped yeah yeah for sure

you know I grew up my parents had nothing like my parents didn't believe even anything. I wasn't even brought up with religion. Neither. And they came and saw me lecture for the first time I'd been lecturing for 30 years. And they came and saw me lecture for the first time. I was in front of a thousand

people. They saw me talk about elves and magic and witchcraft and UFOs. And I went home and like they came to stay at my house and my mom came into the family room about 11 o'clock at night and my mom told me her ghost story. She had never told any

story. But by seeing her son be accepted by, oh, other people on stage and not be afraid to tell his story. She came and sat down and told me hers. Like, that's what this is about. Hello, caller. You're on Weird Here to Help with Eric Edelstein, Steveberg, and the great John E. L. Tenney is here. Who am I talking to?

Hi, yeah. My name is Ashley. I'm over here in Northern California. Northern California. Could you get any more charged? That place has got, it's going all. Off, sister. Oh, yeah.

We got the famous Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot footage, which we all know is a thousand percent real. But I am so excited to hear what your problem is today. Yeah. So I am seeing a massage therapist who I love so, so much. She charges like 70 for the hour. So it's like the cheapest you could find anywhere. I love her.

I adore her. But I had some really crazy paranormal stuff happened last time. I saw her. and I haven't been able to go back because I'm just not sure how to like protect myself from that. If I were to keep seeing her, I want to keep seeing her, but I'm just kind of like in this predicament now.

Okay. Oh, I'm fascinating. I mean, I'm really hoping you're going to be willing to share some of these paranormal situations with us. Do you mind giving us a little taste? Yeah, absolutely. So the first couple times I saw her, I knew she was in this building for like spiritual healing,

which in Northern California is not that weird. that's all over the point neither here nor there I'm the same I have many a healer you're home so yeah I think like psychics mediums stuff like that so I was comfortable with that I was fine with that but then she let me know that they do perform seances there like in the night and I was like okay so we're speaking to dead people

which isn't really in my comfort zone but none of the psychics or mediums or anyone are there when I get my massage and so again I wasn't super worried about it but my last time I went there I was getting the massage and we started hearing like these banging these noises coming from the area where the

sound has happened. And we're the only ones there, mind you. Oh my gosh. And so I'm obviously a little rattled but I'm like, you know, I'm just going to I'm going to muscle through the massage. It's going to be fine. And then as we're going, the music,

she has like some calming yoga music playing. It starts cutting in and out. You know, it's doing all the ghost. All the ghost things are happening. And so I'm like, whatever. And all of that is, you know, here or there, but I started, you know, when you watch a scary movie, you just get that, like, thickness in the air, kind of like that scary. Oh, you know, that feeling. The atmosphere feels weird.

I also get that going to buffet with Steve Berg. It's like a bubble of unreality. You just feel it in the air. It just feels like a thickness, just that, like, I don't know. It just felt like dread. It felt bad. And I'm like, okay, maybe it's just me, but I'm just going to, like, sit through this because, I mean, I don't really have a choice. I paid for it.

I'm going to get the massage. So as we finish up, I sit up and I look at her and she just looks at me and she looks as scared as I do. And she's like, did you hear all of that? And I was like, yeah, I did. And she's like, yeah, that's never happened before. And she goes to tell me that the candle she had lit in our room during the massage got blown out during the massage. and that the music, all the cutting and everything, she was, she was as scared as I was

and she's been doing massages there for years. And so I'm like, okay, this is not normal. So she leaves to, you know, let me get dressed. So I'm laying there. I'm like naked and afraid at this point. I'm terrified. Yeah. And I have to get dressed.

And so she leaves me alone in this room. And so I'm like panicking. I'm like grabbing my clothes, getting everything as fast as I can. And I look up and she has this picture of an angel on the wall. and I swear to God when I looked at it I still like I don't know if it was my mind playing tricks on me but I swear the face distorted into like a demonic

thing and I think I blocked out at that point I just threw my clothes on, got out, left and she told me she took down the picture after I told her what happened and like we haven't really talked about it other than that but the thing is is I really want to keep seeing her but I'm obviously I'm scared now

wow yeah I would be terrified too I'm willing to bet anything the most scared, the most susceptible of the three of us, John, Steve and I, I'd be absolutely terrified. And I would instantly, my first question is, okay, they're summoning things. What are they doing to clear that afterward after these seances? Because I think it's pretty clear. We got stragglers. And they are not playing nice.

Right. Which they have all the things in there, you know, the new age, the crystal, the sage, whatever. but I can't guarantee they're using it appropriately or correctly. I have no idea, you know? And so here's the beautiful thing about what, I mean, like, you know, if there is a beauty to what happened. One that you, it was corroborated by another person because so many times when people experience these things, they're by themselves.

And that can kind of leave you in a place where like, am I going bananas here? So I think that's a great thing. So I don't think you're crazy. There was someone else with you who experienced also. But also, you're getting multiple. different like manifestations of the paranormal where a candle going out the demonic face you know the not the little sounds going on

I mean John like just what's your initial reaction to when you hear something like this yeah it just sounds exactly I'm on the Eric's page like if they're doing seances and stuff in there then you've got to make sure that whoever's doing that is closing things down properly they're clearing the area properly like even to the caller's point

Like, if you don't feel comfortable in there, obviously, like, don't ever go anywhere that you feel uncomfortable. But if you want to go back, like, tell her, like, you and I need to clear this area. Like, get together with her, right? And or the massage therapist, whoever it is, and say, like, we're going to clear this area. We're going to smudge it out. We're going to light the incense. We're going to play the right music. Because the other thing, too, is sometimes when people are doing seances, it's not even that they're not closing it outright.

It's that they've started to act like a beacon to other spirits in the area. right so so then like other spirits that are just roaming around the area looking for interactions with someone like go oh that's the area where they do that and so then they just start wandering over there so even if they're getting rid of the spirits they're talking to during the seances like there might be walk-ins that are coming from like outside of the building right and they're not accounting for those when they're do clearings and stuff like that yeah i had not even considered that but i could totally see that and like i said northern california especially where i'm at like we are just like a hub for this kind of weird spiritual stuff. I don't know if you guys have heard of Mount Shasta. I was just going to ask you, I was just going to ask you where your proximity to Mount Shasta was. No, I'm very close to Mount Shasta. I do day trips up there all time on like an hour away.

So we get a lot of people who are very spiritually in tune, even just flooding to our area. Well, it's a long history of UFOs, cryptids. I mean, Bigfoot's, you know, like just chilling there 24-7. So, I mean, like, it's also got some... The Lumerians, you've heard of the Lumerians, sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and a lot of that kind of, like, history is a little... Hold on.

Can you briefly tell me about the Lumerians team? Yeah, so... I think the caller knows more about this stuff than I do, and I'm just fascinated, and I already believe. But tell me about the Lumerians. John, John, you want to... I'll let you, if you don't mind. So Lumerians are like, so there's a, you know,

Atlantis is in one ocean. the other ocean in the you have lemuria right and so somehow there is this old ancient tradition that has come down through different metaphysical ideas and theology and stuff that somehow mount shasta is this kind of crystal cathedral where the remnants of the city of loom it's so funny so lemur but they're called limerians right and and that's where they reside is in like mount shasta in the surrounding area so they're like ancient old spirits from this advanced civilization. And yeah, if you come visit Manchester, there's crystal shops all up and down the boardwalk. People come from all over the world just to live there to, like, be in the presence of the mountain. And I've had some crazy experiences there, too,

where everything, you know, it's fun and interesting on the outside, but when you get a little too far and it all gets a little creepy for me, personally. Oh, I hear you. I hear you. But yeah, very cool. I would tell you, too, though, about being scared about this. So one of the things when I talk to clients about pawned locations or they're having interactions with some kind of spirit, they don't know what it is. The easiest, like if you go into, just I'll take a personal human thing, if you walk into a restaurant and you want like a really busy bartender to pay attention to you, right? If you're really nice and just sit there and don't say anything, like it takes a long time for the bartender to come over to you.

If you like smack your fist on the on the bar really hard, like they'll at least look at you. And a lot of times, spirits who don't know how to interact, the spirits that don't have a lot of, like, good poise with human beings and how to deal with them, the first thing they'll go to is knocking, tapping, interrupting music, trying to freak you out because they're trying to let you know that they're there. It's like little kids, right? Like little kids don't know they're being mean when they pull on your sleeve and rip it. They're trying to get your attention. They're trying to get someone to talk to them and pay attention to them. So it might not even necessarily be an evil thing. I can see how it would make you feel creepy, of course, because there's unnatural stuff happening.

But at the same time, like, if you were in a room by yourself for a year and you couldn't talk to anybody, you'd get frustrated. If you were in that room for 100 years and didn't talk to anybody, you would get, like, mad and frustrated. And the one day you reach out to try and make something happen, like the radio goes off, the face on the picture looks weird, and that's maybe not what you were intending to do. you were just trying to get someone to pay attention that you were there. So keep that in mind, too. I really like, you know, like, I love the idea of you and the masseuse, you're a massage therapist, saying like, look, potentially the last people who use this place

and were trying to contact the other did not banish, not necessarily banish, or closed down the store right. So I think, you know, John, do you have any recommend of like, kind of like, uh, first volleys into clearing the room to make it a little more palatable for Hannah here, or actually here, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. I would, again, I would go through with the massage therapist and I would say you and I are going to just create a space of kindness and happiness and love where nothing here bad can hurt either of us or, or make us feel any kind of fear. And you can do that, like I said, by smudging, some incense. Get music that you and, and the

massage therapist both like and find like new music that applies to both of you that put you both in a good state and a good frame of mind so like it's real simple to start like that right and then together like you might find better like modalities to work with once you're in the place if that doesn't seem to be working but I bet you if you both put yourself in a really kind space even talking about how like don't talk about how frightened you are talk about how weird and how cool the world is like reframe it so that you're not afraid but that you're like interested that it's cool but i don't want it to happen here yes no that's very solid advice thank you yeah and i think you can change an environment with your energy like you said so i think just even going to it with that mindset will be

definitely changing the environment for sure for sure you know i'm getting a flash of a song recommendation that everyone loves what if you played we are the world oh no who loves it's I love it. I love, you. Wow, buddy. Bob Dearful is a punk rock king. I am. I'm not going to have her play a minor threat, you know.

I think play minor threat if both love it. Look, I can see, right. I can see, that's true. I think you're trying to drive the ghost away with a bad song. That's what I think. There's a real, it's a reason why I'm walked out, bud. Let me reframe. What about hybrid moments by the Misfits?

They're kind of dark. Well, no, see, I might be doing the opposite thing where you, I might be, you're actually inviting them to stay here. Maybe don't listen to me. Because my first inclination is if I had a haunted room, I'd be like, well, how do I make, how do I ramp this up? Let's go.

Let's go. I want to study this. Obviously, that's not what you want to, you want a relaxing massage. You know, we'll throw on some nickel back. We'll cast them out. It'll be good.

It'll be good. That will fucking drive. Nickelback just got astray on Halloween. Every fucking animal in the area. I mean, the Mount Shasta might actually crumble as a mountain if you play nickelback. I mean, it's worth a shot. And John, if I could also ask you, in terms of smudging or Palo Santo, what is your process on that?

Because I really believe in that stuff, but I also don't want to appropriate indigenous traditions and do it poorly. What is the best way for us to smudge and clear energy in our lives? So, again, this all comes down to personal stuff. Like, there's got to be an aroma, a smell that you like. You can smudge with, you know, a bottle, like go on eBay and find a, if it's a, your grandmother's perfume, right, that you remember from being a child, right? Go on eBay, find an old bottle of that perfume. You use that to smudge. Like the, the sense that make you feel the calmest, the kindness, and the most loving. Like, it doesn't need to be, you know, an ancient

piece of oak. It doesn't need to be. I mean, if you wanted to be those things, you want to be sage and Santo Paulo and you don't want appropriate stuff. Like, I get it. But for me, whenever I've smudged a place, it's been, you know, one of the, my grand, I don't have any grandparents. My grandfather used to smoke a cherry pipe. And so I, when I smudge, I smudge with cherry tobacco. And then it smells like this warm, comfortable, loving place that I remember from childhood. Oh, how cool. Oh, that is awesome.

Eric, when I haunt you eventually. Right? Just know, I'm going to haunt the fuck out of you, dog. Like, if you want me to leave, smudge with like bake a lasagna, rub it on the walls. Oh, yeah. I'm going to get a red sauce going. And I'll set a plate out for you, Steve. I think you are a venerated ancestor in my life.

Thank you. Now, I will say this. Okay, so it's doing some knocking. It's communicating. The chills I got when she talked about that painting transforming. Oh, yeah. Terrified me. And I got to say, the fact you're even entertaining going back there shows what a brave and robust person you are because I am a weenie.

I would be so unbelievably scared. So, okay, there's one thing of a spirit coming in. let it making its action known turning an angel into a demon what the hell is that well that's the thing too is i grew up in minnesota where we built pretty much all of our houses out there on indian burial grounds i've experienced ghosts basically my whole life but never like a negative spirit and that's why when i emphasize the feeling in the room like this didn't feel like a happy kind welcoming spirit just trying to say hey like it was very different i mean my house growing up we'd hear people are running up and down the stairs.

Like, I have experienced this stuff all my life. So it doesn't generally freak me out. That's why for me to be rattled like this, it's a little unique, you know? You know, I went my almost mind. I've been into this stuff since like I don't remember being alive and not into this stuff, to be honest. But I actually had my first kind of crazy experience about three years ago. And when I finally got what I wanted, it fucked me up.

For about two days, I was, I was like, I'm going to give away all my UFO occult books. I'm done with the paranormal. No, Steve, what happened? You've got to digress here. We're all here for it. No, it's, this is an Indica crowd. It's what happened three years ago. It's such a long story.

I'll tell, maybe I'll tell you. Maybe on Patreon. We're not trying to shake you down for five bucks, but I'm dying to hear. I'm dying to hear. Yeah, it's wild. And I'll be honest, like, I thought I was the bravest dude with this stuff. And it made me, like, cry. Oh, my gosh.

It was horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. after a while like now I'm like oh it was kind of a cool beautiful experience but like it like kind of like you know actually describing like it was not a pleasant can you give us a one minute just quickest synopsis just so for people to listen later like what what happened where you felt visited I was in Southern Colorado Crestone Colorado to be specific and I was with another gentleman a 65 year old man who was a flute player and I was there emceing a small UFO gathering and we had done like a call in to the saucers kind of they call it a CE5 I I do not also subscribe to CE5 stuff but like it was free and I was there so I participated but I didn't see anything in the sky everyone else thought they saw some sky but later that night I had a crazy ass experience where I saw something that looked like a humanoid that was made out of rectangles oh my god and for about a second and a half and I didn't tell me for about three years and I just started talking about it on my podcast probably like a year ago because I you know I don't know it's like one of these things it sounds

so crazy that um but the story leading up to it there's a lot of like factors that go along with it that round out the story I'll tell it on Patreon but I so I totally know what you're coming from and I'm sure John you've been in the position where you've been in a place that was like even though you have a high threshold for this stuff I'm sure you've had situations that did not feel right yeah yeah 100% and and to Ashley that's right yeah so to your point about like in my life right like so i try and take paranormal stuff and make it as normal as possible as it can be for people so like you've i'm sure at some point in your life you've walked into someone's house or some a bar or a restaurant where there was like an inebriated

mean person and you get that feeling like i don't want to be here right like you you've walked into a party at some point and like a second after you cross the threshold you're like i got to get out of here this place is terrible 100% and i feel like i feel like like yeah and so I feel like a lot of times with entities like I said I don't know necessarily know if they're being mean or evil but tradition in North America especially one of the things that kind of confused angry um spirits and entities will go to is stuff based around Christianity like so the fact that it picked an angel picture and tried to change it like it's trying to get you to leave the room right and it's going at what it thinks what it thinks is going to affect you the most

now because it doesn't know if you believe in angels it doesn't know if you believe in you know god or if you're Christian it's just going for what it knows will freak someone out and again that can just be like a dick like it doesn't necessarily have to be evil it can just be like someone being an asshole which is why i think when you go in especially again back in the human world when you've got someone being a mean to you like kill them with kindness and eventually they just shut up and they go away, they realize they're not getting a rise out of you. And so they go and try and find somewhere else to go. Yeah. And it's so interesting you say that because actually in my town we have like a mega super church. And so there's like the spiritual kind of energy in my town. It's just,

it's kind of loki a cold, but it's his mega church. And so we have, I mean, just from the Christianity standpoint, a lot of that energy kind of going on here. It's kind of like the two battling energies like you said of like the Christianity. And then we've got Mount Chasta on the other side of us. So I could totally see them just being, like, annoyed as fuck with the church and doing that. So I could totally see that. And you know what? I, like, had been with my family right before I got this massage and they were praying. And I usually, I'm not a Christian, so I don't usually, I'm not around that kind of energy.

But maybe, like, being with them right before I went, I kind of had that essence about me. And I just to go stuff. I don't know. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You look like a worthy person to attack. Not attack. well maybe attack yeah yeah to get a rise out of you if you have if you had that if if that entity spirit or whatever was trying to get a rise out of someone who was like oh you're in a metaphysical place but you're uh you just came from praying to God watch me I'm going to get you out of this

place immediately by by doing this thing by changing the face of this angel and that'll get you to never come back like that's a very apt possible thing that it did just to get you to leave you know but like I said I think if you go in there with better energy knowing your intention, knowing to clear that place out and doing that stuff with the massage therapist, I don't think you're going to have any problems because you love this massage therapist, right? I love her, yes.

And I mean, $70 massages, it's just unheard of. And I have a chronic illness, so I have to get a massage like once or twice a month. So I can't, I can't be going anywhere else to be honest with you. So I needed a solution. So thank you guys so much. This was honestly really insightful. And if worse comes to worse, look, if I'm a ghost and somebody plays a limp biscuit, I am fucking out of there, I am

haunting the next person. So if you have to go to the route of playing some like early 2000s rap metal, which is obviously the worst music that was ever created, I think that's going to work too. If nothing else is working, pick the most, the most, I mean like, I think there's something to starting out with music that you both like. And this is

my unprofessional advice would be to just play some awful, like Fred Durst style music. Oh, why is Freddy Durst He's going to piss the ghost off? Oh, God, the music. He's a good film director. He did this movie, Education Charler.

Also, follow Fred Durst now. He's very inclusive. He's very open to the trans communities, very open LGBTQ. It's not what you think. The music, yeah, though. It'll probably drive that ghost right away. Give me something to break. Fred Durst is a little bit more nuanced than I think we ever would have thought.

I know. You're sticking up for Fred Dirk. Sorry. This life chose me. Fred's making some good decisions these days. I love you, but like, we, like, we, like, we may. There might be a physical altercation next time we're in the same room. Great.

Now I picked up an entity. And it's Steve Berg. I'm going to put out some fucking Greek yogurt and blueberries and really low-level Swedish Knoons. Yeah, exactly. My God. Well, so, Ashley, what do you think you're going to do? What do you think your course of action is going to be after having this conversation with us?

Well, my massage therapist and I are pretty close, and she is definitely in tune with the spiritual stuff. So I think if I reach out to her and ask her that we just, you know, take on the space together, kind of acknowledge what happened, but don't let it, you know, drive us and fear. I mean, she's still there every day. So I imagine she's not experiencing this stuff all the time still. So I'll pitch some music ideas, you know, nickel bag for durst, whatever. And I think I'll just bring in some of my own incense from home. So I'm kind of like bringing in my own energy into the space. So, yeah, you guys had solid advice.

I appreciate it. Yeah. Would you do us a huge favor and will you contact us if this happens again or if you feel that you solve the problem? Because, you know, we're invested now and we sure like to know how this works out. Yeah, well, I will definitely be going back soon and I will let you guys know if anything crazy happens or I guess if nothing happens. So either way, I will let you know. I want to tell you like, and I know, I know like this freak you out, but this is one of the best ghost stories I've heard in a while. And thank you for sharing it. Love it. This is real good.

It's just good to talk to people who actually believe it, because I feel like to everyone else, I probably sound a little bad shit crazy, but it is unfortunately very real. Yeah, I hear you. Oh, man, what a... We believe. Yeah, and thanks for being brave enough to give us all the details and stuff, too. It's amazing. Yeah, thanks for sharing. Of course.

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