We're Here to Help - 266: Law & Order: Toe-rgy

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

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Yeah. The call today gets wild. Yeah, you're going to go through a timeline, as we did in real time trying to kind of solve a very list. And I'll tell you, as while we're doing this intro, Garth and I don't know the ending. Right. We have someone to join us, but we still are in the midst of it. When you listen to the episode and you get to like the third quarter of it,

just know that's where we currently are. Right now we're going to bring one of the stars of it, a big detective helper. Gareth refers to this as our Law and Order episode. Yep. If it's law and order really quickly, Gareth, who's who? Okay. I will be, you'll be Jerry, what's his, Orbach? Which one's Jerry Orbach?

He's kind of the old, grizzled guy. Again, not physical. I was thinking, SVU. I was thinking SVU. Who are you in Shark Tank? I don't want to be Robert on SVU. You're Robert on SVU and I'm Barb. God damn.

So let's bring on the real, who is it, Ice Tea? Yeah, Ice Tea. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're a fan of our show, you know this man is Stone. And if you're not, I think his name is Stone. Yeah. Stone, are you with us? Stone.

That's a voice. That's cool. Sounds upset. How you doing, Stone? I'm doing good. How are you guys? Good. So we're not going to get too much into it on this intro

because it's a long episode, but we've got something we're going to show you and it has to do. with feet. I'm prepared. What's going on with you in feet these days, my man? What's the latest? I don't know.

It's just been good accepting myself for who I am and everything I'm into, I guess. How's that love story going on with you and your lady? Amazing. We're about to finish our improv class together. Right. Yeah. Has the improv class together brought you guys closer? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. There's nothing to sexier. than a girl doing an old man voice in the scene. Thanks for the call. Wait. I don't agree, man. No, no, I'm just kidding about that one. Yeah.

But is improvising, going back to your chart, my kidding, is improvising and being funny a slice for you? I would say, yeah, yeah. So when she's funny, are you like, golly, man, I like her even more? Oh, my God, yeah. I also like the idea of this idea of, you know what, I'd like a lady to be, a boss. Yep.

You know, it's a big old turn on? CEO. Come on, mama. Funny. Yeah, it's funny. Run the room. And again, he lost us with the old man voice, but outside of that, I think we embrace the point, which is true.

So what in terms of 10 slices, but I agree with Gareth 100% about the old man voice in an improv. That was kind of gross. It's tough. But you got 10 slices. Is a full one being funny? Now, don't try to be charming for the audience. Don't worry about the comments.

Is it a full slice, two slices, half a slice? How important is in your sexual desires? Oh, sexual. I think the wits part of it. It's a turn on. I'm going to have to give it a garlic breadstick side. That's the most fair answer I've ever actually had, and I appreciate that. I didn't know we were dipping into sides, but go ahead.

I didn't. But what he did. which I really liked. And this is sometimes what I get mad at you about Gareth. I get mad about Eric and Steve about catering to the audience. He didn't say, oh, there's going to be a bunch of women who are three slices. He goes, oh, sexual. And he goes, I'm not going to ever on a porn site Google like funny improv set.

And he said, but it is a turn-on set for me. So that is, I want garlic knots with my pizza. So Stone, what we're going to. to do now is we're going to end the intro. And then at the end of the episode, we're going to come back to you. And the audience is going to see why. But you're going to button the episode with your thoughts on something. So for now, everybody...

Shut, cut that, please. Okay, don't keep a stone. Let me tell you one thing. I know you love feet, but don't step on Jake's action. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Keep everything from that. Will you just beep out the word he said? And without further further,

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37. 37. You've answered all the questions properly, Sam. Am I doing well? You're crushing. Absolutely crushing. No notes. What's going on, Sam?

What can we help you with? Well, my wife and I, hopefully she'll be on in a second. My wife and I have a strange rumor going on about us. A strange rumor. A strange rumor, yeah Sure What Keep going

So we We met with some friends Relatively recently We had a nice dinner For those friends And towards the end of the dinner Our friends said You know I heard something interesting

About you too We said Oh And he said Someone told a friend of ours That they go to the same climbing gym as you. My wife and I like to climb pretty regularly.

They said that this person that was at the climbing gym saw us take our climbing shoes off at the end of the night and interlock toes with one another. Kind of like how someone would do, if they were romantically holding hands down, you know, walking down the sidewalk. Weird. Yeah.

With your feet and your toes. What's that? With your toes interlocked. They said you guys did this in like the locker room area. Not even the locker room. This is out in the middle of the gym where people kind of swap. There's kind of like some cubbies where you swap your shoes. Yeah, sure.

And the image of it, yeah. So Sam, really quickly, this is 100% true? This story is 100% true. Interlocking our toes is not 100% true. And so when they told you this, this is great. This is shocking. We've got the wife in whenever you guys want to bring her in. What's her name, Sam?

Her name is Aaron. Erin. Bring Aaron in. Yeah. Unless Sam, should we wait or should we do it now? No, bring her in. Hi, Aaron. Hi.

Hi. Hi, welcome to the show. We were just talking to Sam. 37 Tennessee. But Aaron, let's just get into it. Will you retell the problem of this one? And I want to hear you say it because maybe we can get another perspective on this insanity. Sure.

So there's a weird rumor we learned going around about us. I don't know what Sam's told you already. I know, do you just go. I want to hear it all again because maybe there's going to be new info. Okay. Well, a friend of ours told us that he had heard a rumor about us, which we are fairly average people, so I didn't know what could possibly be going on. And that rumor, he told us, is that someone at our climbing gym spotted us interlacing toes, like you hold hands, palm to palm. in this really weird, bizarre kind of icky way.

And the problem is we have never done that. And we don't want to be known for doing that. It is not true. And we don't know how far this rumor has spread. Why? What is strange? I would hate this if I were you guys. This is not like a thing in the climate community that happens.

This is complete fabrication. It's also really embarrassing. It's not like another couple that this. This is just very. I would be really embarrassed. people thought my wife and I held hands with our feet for some reason. After climbing. This is exactly why we're calling in, Jake.

Yeah. I get this. I would not want people thinking I did that as it was sweaty feet. No. Especially after climbing. Like that is the grossest time to do it. Yeah. And let's add a little of context, which is that these shoes, you know, I don't know if you all have been climbing,

but the shoes that you wear are gross, like Gareth just said, but also like you're supposed to use at least a size. smaller than your street shoes. So your feet are totally cramped in these tiny shoes. And when you pull your feet out of your tiny shoes, the last thing you would want to do is like crack your toes open and interlacing with someone else. It's the same kind of heat of belly button gets into.

You dig into that belly button. You're going to find something. You don't want to push open belly buttons with your lover and go, should we just jam these into each other? No. In public? Let's pretend we don't have these. It is gross.

That is disgusting. All right. So what did you guys say when the friend told you that? Well, we told them, we have never done that before. Sure. And a little embarrassing is when he heard this rumor, he said he wasn't confident enough to debate it. Says a lot about you guys.

You guys have that vibe. Says a lot about you guys. I think that was one of the more heartbreaking parts of the story. I don't believe that. I agree. Yeah. So we said we haven't done this. We don't know why or how.

I mean, we don't know this like third party. Is it even possible? You know, I don't even know if it's possible. Oh, it's possible. It's definitely possible. But it's probably, I mean, Jake works with chimps. He knows the answer. answer.

Possible. It's possible. By the way, our caller stone right now has never been harder. And he's right now he's about to faint because there's no blood in his body besides his genitals and he's going

I don't have a foot footage and he passes out. Should I try to go in the line if I could? Oh, my God. At least for the end, we can just tell him what's going on. Oh, yeah, reach out. Put the feelers out. What a great call. I'm not interested in all.

Can I see photos of that? Yeah, let me see what they're saying. I'm not interested in all. Booms are the shit. They're the sauce. Oh, your feet are interleague, like chimpanzees. The sauce is still. Okay, so Sam and Aaron, there was a rumor.

I agree. One of the worst parts about it is that your friend went like, yeah, I wasn't sure. Yeah. You guys said to that friend, that's not true. Did you say to the friend, which would have been my question, Who told you this? Yes.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so you know who told you this? Okay, and who told you this? Yeah, so a mutual friend. We have our friends who told us this. One of their friends works at a bakery, and apparently when they're kneading bread or killing time or whatever at this bakery, they got people in town.

Of course, what else they're going to do? That is where this rumor came up. One of the people who works at the bakery also goes to our climbing gym. So we've never met, by the way. We did not know this person really even existed. Which makes it that much strange. They knew our names. Well, because what's happening here, guys, what's happening, guys, is somebody started this

and it's spreading and it's no longer malicious. There was, when I was in junior high, there was a guy named Andy, and I'm not going to say his last name, that a rumor spread that he used to put peanut butter on his genitals and his dog would lick it off. We've all, I swear to God, I was in my late 20s, and somebody said, somebody at their school did that, and I went, oh, somebody did it at mine. And then we both went, oh, my God, that poor kid didn't do that? It's like the kid who climbed the fence and lost the testicle. That kid existed in every generation and every town. Yes, exactly. One ball, Kevin.

Yeah, the kid who had the one ball. He tried to get to the pool late at night. Now he's got one less ball. But it happened when he was a kid. So I never brought it up to him. But I knew the kid, I knew Kevin who had one testicle, but I never talked to him about it. Same with peanut butter, though. Yeah, it's just such an easy, slanderous statement.

It's so crazy, but it's true. Yeah. You know, most of the. Most of those happen again when you're like in middle school or elementary school. I think you've confirmed that I am 37. It's a weird time to be trying to put out room or fire. It never happens at 37. You know, this is what I think.

Do you think this is born out of thin air, Jake? Because I feel like it's another couple does this. I think it's a misunderstanding. I do too. I think there's a couple that does this and you have been cast as that couple. But there's a real person out there's the one our man is out there. But here's what I really think we need to do, guys. And it's going to be even more embarrassing at first,

but in the end it's going to solve the problem. In my opinion, my opinion. Okay. I think we're going to have to engage with the community. And I think what we're going to have to do is this call is going to be in parts. I think next we have to have you two. and the mutual friend, then that mutual friend,

the person who told them, they're going to have to reach out to. We're going to have to do a follow-up with them too. Yes. We need to trace it to the original person. Get them on a call with us and go, who told you? And then they're going to go,

I saw it with my own eyes. At that point, Sam and Aaron, you will not have been on. Then you get on. you say, hi, we're here too. And then we might have to, you send a photo, and they go like this. That's not them. And you go, so what you saw was a couple interlocked their toes like chimpanzees,

but it wasn't us. And they'll go, I'm sorry and we'll say, would you like a Steve Berg calendar? That's going to be the solution to a lot of this stuff going forward for anyone listening, by the way. But what do you guys think of paper trail?

What we know, I think we know who started it on the Oh, you do? Like, I think it's the group at the bakery. Okay, so what do you think she started? Do you think she saw, Miss Saw, or do you think she's just trying to sour your name? Oh, I have

no idea. You guys don't know her. She goes to her gym. we know who she is now and she goes to the gym we know what her tattoo looks like so we can always pick that out when she's out there what does her tattoo look like

oh it's two feet anonymity here nice jesse nice jesse we can pick her out like she's at our gym all the time so now it's kind of like

does she know that we know do other people at the gym know? Do we want to have them do a little recon and talk to anyone who works at the gym and asks if they know who the toeholders are? Because then if we did that, because I believe there are toe holders. So I think that if we found out who the toe holders were,

we could potentially get some insight into that so that if we get this woman to talk to us on the show, we could say, we understand that you believe there's toe holders, but our two friends over here are not a toe holder. So Sam and Aaron, going off of that pitch, which I think is also strong, would you guys be willing to walk around the gym and go,

hey, have you seen a couple linking toes after working? Or what if we just put a couple signs up? Are you the toe holders? Not like that, though. Not like that. No, yeah, right. But close to that. Hi.

doing, working on a fun creative project. This flyer just got jaked up in the best way. Looking for a couple with flexible toes. That can interlock them. Yeah. Some say impossible. I can see this not helping our reputation if we're walking around. Are you right?

I don't know any couple. Why don't we don't do that? You guys will look like you're those swingers and looking for weird sex partners with the toast. You're going to definitely come off as the toe holders. I would go like this. I don't care what they say. They're perverts and they're looking for others. Get them out of the gym.

Hey, doing a creative project. Can you link your toes with me and my partner? There's a lot of pineapples on that flyer. Exactly. We're going to go on a cruise, a bunch of people with weird long toes. Get out of here. I also don't know why on my Instagram. I think the more we talk about it.

Yeah, it gets worse. The more we talk about it, the more we protest, the more guilty we see. It's true. That's the problem that we're having. So that's why I would start here. I would talk to someone who works at the gym. We don't need to get too fletchy in this, but why not go up to them and say, hey, do you know if there's a couple here that holds toes? People think it's us.

Do you just ring a bell? Start there. See if you get anything off of that. Or start going at different times that you usually do. do, watch. Well, try to find a couple who looks like you. A couple that looks like you.

And then at the end, don't go near them, give them space to do their weird stuff. And if they do it, snap a photo. I mean, 100% of photo, if you can. And then you could go to the bakery and go, hey, bitch. Aha. That'll be done on the show.

And the last part will be done on the show. But you've got to do it like Colombo. I heard you've been talking. one more thing. Does this look like us? Yeah, kind of. Yeah, because you didn't get the faces. Well, it isn't.

Well, it was far away, and I was nervous. Sorry. Because people thought I was a toe pervert. I didn't want to get caught taking a photo of other toe perverts. My thumb was over part of the screen, but that's not my wife and I. Enough. And then she says in the bakery,

I don't feel comfortable with me showing you coming here and showing me photos of toe perverts. Oh, okay. So you're doing the thing. Well, we're crazy. This is going sideways. A Danish. So, Sam, Aaron, we have two paths.

It's a hard one. Both, I think, will succeed. Do you want to find the tow people on your own through PI work, not through signage? Less from asking around, because you guys don't want to be the perverts asking everybody about this. But really subtle PI work. You're going at different times. You're going alone. You're looking for couples that are close to maybe being mistaken for you guys.

And you're looking for the aha moment. That's a long play. If you get it, big win. The problem is, is once you get it, then what? Then you've got to go to the girl to bakery and go like, and you also don't want to have this interaction with the girls to bakery. Hey, you know how you spread a rumor about us? Yeah, it wasn't us.

It was them. I took photos of them. And she goes like, okay, can I help you? I'm working. I do want that moment. Yeah, I know, but it's not good for Sam and Aaron. I want that. I want her to call the show to have that moment on air.

That's what I want. That'd be a great moment. Yes. Now, the other play, by the way, I gave that a negative pitch at the end, but I am still sold that could work. The other play is the mutual friend goes to Distinct Tattoo

or you give Distinct Tattoo a letter saying Jake Johnson and Gareth Reynolds and we're here to help would love to chat to you about a funny issue

on their podcast you could look up their podcast they asked me to give this to you and then we talk to her without you guys the follow up is we bring you all together

and you clear your name publicly. But first we get her story. Right. This feels like a good combo. We do a little PI work. Okay. If we're on whether whether we come across a sculptory evidence or not if you get the evidence it helps us for that follow up anyhow. Yeah, exactly. Because then we could present to her the photo. Yes. Right. We'll be like you haven't seen this at the gym in a while because we got kicked out for

taking photos of people's feet, but you might remember us. No, you're like this. We got kicked out for masturbating while looking at the photos we took up people's feet. Prestor the sauce. Interlactos over sauce. Now, do we want them to say this is about the toe holding or anything? No, Gareth. But it's going to be a strange.

Stop. It might be a little obvious. This is literally the only connection we have to this person. So no. So no way, no way, you don't bring up that. Because then she knows. Just a harder. I just picture you handing her something that's like email this show.

But you write it in a way, fun, light, I don't want to say like bubble letters, but this idea of like this is. The more I hear this, the more I think you want to add a little toehold to it. Tell me why. Because otherwise it's like, hey, call this podcast. That's sort of like, meet me in this party. like I think it would be better if you were just like hey it's us the toe holders insane no Garrett they're not the toe holders you're a maniac this is what I mean you're off my brother hey it's us the fucking purpose you got to call it podcast you you

have each other with our toes you fucking weirdo you hand the bakery girl a letter what does it say it says you say hi uh we know how weird this is we're doing something kind of fun slash silly. Nice little word. With the podcast. This sounds like a torgy. This sounds like she's getting invited to her. Here's a torgy.

Hey, we're the tow couple. Yeah, I'm not loving mine, but I'm saying. And so then I'll go, we're doing something really similar and funny with the podcast. We're here to help. If you've never heard it, check it out. It's really fun. Anyway, it's, you're involved in the story we're doing indirectly possibly. and the guys asked if you would be interested in getting more information from them.

Why don't we... We're trying to get to the bottom of something. I agree you're closer than I was. Why don't we ask... Hey, this is the toe people. I regret it. We all regret that moment. Why don't we have them talk to the mutual and extend the olive branch to call the show that is?

That's the one. But so mutual hands the letter to bakery. Mutual just offers and just... goes, hey, will you call, you know, all the stuff you're saying. So then we need to talk to Mutual. Sam, Aaron, can you text Mutual right now and see if they can get on? Ooh. Aaron, you want to text?

Get on the podcast. Get on the fucking call right now. Climb the wall. Hey, we just finished a workout. Let's take off these tiny shoes and interlocked toes. Get these toes together. Now we're talking. Just to be aware that we have stone in the waiting room.

Bring Stone in. Should I bring Stone in now? It's funny that his name's Stone too. Okay. I'll set this up, Gareth. Yeah, you better. Good luck. What's up, Stone?

Hey. How you doing, Stone? Speaker. Hey, what's up? Everything good with you? I need my help. Yeah, we do. Everything good with you?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We know you don't have a foot fetish, brother. that's clear I don't know what do you mean I don't know man

I mean what do you mean I think I think I've come to terms with a lot of things and I think I think I do I just don't like the word fetish walk us through what's been happening

this just turned into your follow-up so you got a foot thing my king yes yeah Like a minor one. I agree. Lose the term fetish. You think feet are sexy.

They're the sauce. Yeah. So if it's a pizza. Since our last call, I've had my feet in Mannyapai. What do you mean? What do you mean? Well, I'm just dating someone now, so, yeah. Okay.

But so you put her foot in a pie? Many a pie. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, I was just trying to be eloquent, you know. Okay. But you've leaned into in your relationship. You're like, I like your feet.

Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I've accepted it. I've dabbled. Dabbled with the pads, you know. With the what? The pads, the feet.

Oh, you've dabbled with the pads. Oh, like, you thought it was toes, but it's pads you're into. That's shocking. Yeah. I didn't think anybody liked the pads. You guys wanted me for something, right? Yeah, but this is important. This is important.

I think this call might really, to Jake's point earlier, you might be reaching for the pads. Yeah, so Stone really fast. Really quickly. And Sam and Aaron, sorry, we're getting to this. We hope you're texting and reaching out to that friend of yours, seeing if we can get them on. But Stone really fast, if you got a slice of pizza, you got eight slices, and this is about your desires, how many slices are feet?

Yeah, at least one. for sure. At least I devote. Yeah, I'd say. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot more I like about a woman than just... Sure. All right, so give me the breakdown really fast. What are your slices? Okay. So one is feet. So we have seven left. Correct. Okay. Face. Can't forget the face, because that's classy to remember that. Absolutely.

How many slices are face? Definitely two. Okay. I'm going to go, let's just get rid of six slices here. Two for face, two for boobs, two for butt. And I guess one for the personality. And we can send that pie off. Nobody wants to eat it, but that's a solid breakdown.

So you've got. Nobody's eating your toe pie kid. You are sexually attracted. I agree. Actually, personality is part of it. They pretend it's not from it, but it actually is. Oh, of course. Yeah.

If the personality is right, you can get the ick. I agree. Well, then she's not going to let you sniff or sneakers. Yeah, I agree. So you got one slice for personality, one for feet, two for face, two for boobs, two for butt. You know what's happened to you, Stone? Since last we talked? In this new relationship of yours?

I think you grew up a little bit, young man. this feels this feels like a normal pizza it's a pretty regular pizza honestly oh my gosh yeah no

hey Stone welcome me my Hollywood icon Jake Johnson just told me I'm a normal pizza you're you know and I say that as a thing Stone you're growing

yeah this is a normal pizza You didn't say anything like boobs are the sauce But that's now Now we got your bag We followed up happy to do it We miss you

We hope you're doing great in life Here's where we're at Sam and Aaron Will you guys tell Stone What's happening Yeah Okay Stone Oh nice to meet you by the way

Nice to meet you by the way Stone Sam Good to meet you We have a friend who told us that we live in kind of a smaller city, the kind of where you run into people you know all the time. A friend of ours told us that he heard a rumor going on around us, wherein my wife and I were seen interlocking bare feet, interlocking toes,

in the middle of our climbing gym that we attend every week. It's not true It's infuriatingly low-stakes rumor But it is But it's silly spread Yeah Can I ask you a quick question really fast? Yes

What do you like about the pads? What's sexy about a footpath? You know, it's like salt to the earth They like they generate the friction To propel you on your day You know they're the strength Of your soul I agree.

I respect the footpad, but sexually, what are you doing with it? You didn't look at it? Don't put your dick on it, I hope. Well, what do you do on footpad? It's got, it's the friction giver. Oh, foot jobs. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, so. Jake, I have the source in the waiting room. Okay. This call is enormous. No, Stone, just keep up. You're going to see what happens here. Stone, and keep your hands where you can see him, pal. You're about to hear a lot of footstress.

It's not an airport, so the sound might be mediocre. But also Stone really fast. If you're getting foot jobs, it's way more than one slice, brother. We're going to talk about that later. Yeah, that's okay. All right. And what's this, Sam, what's this person's name or Aaron? Tyler.

Tyler. Yeah, Tyler. Okay, let's bring Tyler on. I'll start us, Gareth. Yeah, please. Hey, Tyler? Yes. Hey, it's Jake Johnson, Gareth, Gareth, Stone, Sam, and Aaron.

Thank you for joining us. We've got a quick question for you and we need a little bit of help from you. Is this a train calls show? Is this what is happening right now? Is this what? Prank. Yeah, it's very much a prank.

No, it's not a prank. This is real. You're on a podcast, pal. We'll see about that. Tyler, you are on a podcast. That's not a we'll see about that. You will hear this. But the question to you is, was there a situation that happened at a bakery where somebody told you a rumor about Sam and Aaron?

Yes. Will you tell us what happened? It was one of the most troubling stories I've heard in my life. Go there. When you know people, as long as I've known Sam and Aaron, you think that. you know every missing training of their life and so when you find out

something as horrendous is this it really makes you call on the question everything about his relationship let him moat yeah do not get mad at Tyler

yeah this is a safe space if I'm on a podcast if I'm on a podcast I'm going to soak up every millisecond of this airtime I regret this already so what

what I know to be true is this there was there was a bakery and notsoil. I don't know if you want me name and name, which I will do happily. And there are some people that work at this bakery that know the Knoxville community. Okay. And because they care. This is a community space. So they care about the people and what they're doing in the community. I like what you're doing. Well, as it happens is one of these wonderful, trustworthy bakers was at a climbing gym in Knoxville.

and loves Sam and Aaron has so much respect for them which is what makes what she saw so troubling she was finishing up her routes and looked over and saw Sam and Aaron with their bare feet out from their sweaty ass climbing shoes

and what they were doing was they were interlocking their toes trying to sort of simulate the hand-holding intimacy of the normal person or a normal couple. And instead, they were worming their little piggyes. Gross.

Hey, really fast, stone? Stone, hold on, Tyler. Tyler, we have a foot fetishist on the line real quick. How hard are you, brother? Harder than stone. Crystal, diamond. You're cutting diamonds, King. We got three out of the eight slices.

All right, keep going, Tyler. No, I think I think we've laid into the plate Okay Tyler I need to I need to ask you a real question now Was that not a real question? I mean I am plumbing to Tyler Tyler Tyler Now we now we got to cut the socks off and look at these feet Did you start this rumor to mess with Sam and Aaron? No 100,000 percent I do not expect it

So who started it? Who told you this? Because now I know you're a funny guy, and Gareth and I prank our friends. Once. What I will say is this. What I will say is this. I'm getting this information third hand.

Third hand. My friend, well, I don't know. What are you guys into? Stones and defeat. Yeah. That's half the pie. He likes to get foot jobs because the pads are the friction of earth. This baker told my friend who's also Baker.

what they witnessed and were troubled by. And this close trustworthy friend told us. So I swear on my life, I did not make this up. All right. So Tyler, here's what I need from you. If you're willing to, yes. Wow, okay. I need you to go to the baker who told you

and ask them if they would be willing to talk to us on the podcast, all for fun. But it's clearing your name. So right now, you're the accused. So we just got to get you to go to the person who told you and say, no one's in trouble. But will you talk to them? But you will be the accused.

Until we, but I want to get to. Here's what I believe happened, Tyler. Either this whole thing is just you guys doing a little prank and trying to get on a podcast. God bless. Which I don't believe, and I hope it's not. Or two, somebody either. saw people interlocking toes and mistaken it for Sam or Aaron

or two decided to just say those two fuckers are weird and I'm making up a rumor Either way I think we owe it to America and one guy in another country Greenland actually unfortunately

Yeah, that's going to be closer than we thought or at the end. Wow. I haven't even had a moment to reflect on the We got some fans in the Philippines. And they want to know the truth too. So Tyler... I'm Filipino. Yeah, I'm sure they do.

You are, Stone? Yeah, half. I'm a half of. No way. What's the other half? Foot. Just some white guy, I don't know. So you're four slices of Caucasian, four slices of Filipino? Yes, sir.

That's a nearly perfect mix, King. That was the greatest little moment off to the side. Oh, this is you guys. Yeah. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. I thought this is just Sam and Aaron and their weird-ass friends. Wow.

It kind of is, my man. Jake and Garrett. Yes. Hi, Tyler. I wouldn't have been so bold. I thought this was just some weird little freaky thing. It is. It is. National baby. This is, you know what, Tyler?

More than national. We got like three people in the Philippines, King. And a Greenland guy. And Stones half Filipino. Here's what it troubles me. Well, we have not considered in your scenario. You weren't supposed to talk about. And that maybe Sam and Aaron were doing this freaky little thing.

So you are telling you're believing. Interesting, Tyler. Not interesting. We believe that. Interesting, Tyler. You don't call a show if this is a lot. Sure you do, Tyler. Haven't you ever watched?

Haven't you ever watched Colombo? Yes, we talked about Colombo on here. One more thing. Yeah, but what? I got footage of Sam and Aaron doing the weirdest thing that only Stone would masturbate to. We were very close. I'll tell you what.

I didn't even know you could do that. Agreed. Chimps can. Tell us what, Tyler. Tell us what, Tyler. Tell us what, Tyler. Hey, Stone, do you think chimpanzees feet are sexy? Can I think whose feet?

Chimpanzees? Chimpanzees? No, God, no. Okay, moving on. Zero slices. Yeah. Okay, so Taylor, Tyler, tell us what you're about to say, bud. Who knows, brother.

I'll make a deal with you guys. Please. Now that I know that this has some legs to it, some feet to it, I will, are we trying about like getting in touch like in real time, like in this moment? No, it doesn't happen. We can do a follow-up. Okay, okay, okay. We know you're at the airport.

I think that can happen. Okay. As long as Sam and Aaron admit that since this came out, they've experimented a little bit. They've, they wondered, what would this feel like? Great question. And if they admit, they went into the corners of their freaky little home. And check out their wiggly little pig leaves. Sam,

Hold on, Sam, Larry. We want the exact truth now, Sam and Aaron. I think this call got away from me. Have you too? Sam and Aaron now. Now let's cut the shit. Since this has happened, have you guys ever at home experimented

and even seen if you could enter locked toe? Thank you. No, 100% We can and I have not. Okay. And I'm not here to, I'm not here to yuck people's yum. Like, I have no problem with people.

We have someone who yums it on the line right now, honestly. But you guys, but Sam and Aaron, you guys have you ever even touched toes? Not accidentally, but like, let's just see if this feels good.

We need the truth now because guys, we can't live in bullshit at all anymore. The only way we're going to get to the bottom of this is... Thank you, Jake. We need to live in Tyler's reality, and that's the truth. Thank you. We have not touched toes.

Would you have Stone Van Mojee a thousand dollars? Here's what I honestly think we need to do. Honest to God, here's what I think we need to do. This is going to seem like I'm making a joke, but I'm not. Sam and Aaron, I need you guys to try to interlock toes and take a photo, And here's one. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit. I don't hate it.

I don't hate it. Because what if their toes can't do it. I think we should do. This is what I think we should do. It's a two-pronger. Thank you, Jay. Exactly. There's something factual here.

Let's get proof. Phil's trying to interlock the toes. Let's get video of that. And then, Tyler, if you could trace back one person and let's present that evidence on the show to the one person back. Because then this, this baker can. say, is this what she saw? Yes. Exactly not.

Yes, that's exactly what it looked like. Yes. We're bringing something to the table. Because here's what we will do. Here's what we will do. If she says yes, you know what we're going to actually do, pay for a lie detector test. I will take it.

I will. I will, I will, I will, Gareth and I will pay the reason we have a show fund that we hold down to is I will find, we will. I'm sorry. Our producers will find a polygraph expert in Knoxville, and you guys will all go and we'll film the whole thing. We'll fly Kyle down to film it. And we will get to the fucking bottom of this, okay?

Because this shit matters. And if you're all liars and it's a prank, you just wasted a lot of time. A lot of time. This is real. We will pass this, guys. Okay, great. So then if you pass it, then the baker will fail it.

So what we're asking everybody do is it's time to get real. So Sam and Aaron, what we need from you, and it is uncomfortable. It's not cool. No one's happy about it. But this is a trial. Stone is for sure. Three slices. Yeah.

I think we also need to be thinking about the consequence of all of this. You're totally right. But we can't, Tyler, we can't do that now because we got to get the baker in the boat with us. That's true. They can't come in a garden. Yeah. Yeah. We got to get all.

everybody on the boat and then we'll decide whose head gets cut off. I want to know what's happened in this little baker's mind. What are they doing back there behind the counter with their feet? They're asking all the right questions, King. There's a whole universe here that I think we're just it's called spin-off, brother.

And I'm scared. I'm scared. America's scared. The only people aren't scared are people in Greenland. And Stone. Stone is scared. He's going to die of a heart attack. Stoney's going to run out of it. He's going to sweat it down. I'm sweating over here.

It's been silently, seriously listening, quote-unquote. Yeah, exactly. So, Sam and Aaron, here's what we need from you. Will you film you guys trying to interlock toes? I hate this so much. We all agree. We all hate it.

Then you need to send it in. Stone, here's what we need from you. Will you watch the footage? I have to make sure that it's not AI. I get you. I got it. I got it. But will you watch the footage and then honestly tell us if it does anything for you

and how many slices it turned you on? If you loved it, will you do the same thing with your girlfriend and see if it's a hot thing? Agreed. But we're going to do it in phases. So Sam and Aaron, we need the footage. Then the footage comes to us. We are going to send the footage to Stone. Then Stone either make a voice note or call in again.

give a breakdown to that, then Tyler, what we need from you is to start talking to the baker and get them involved and say, you know, it's a lot of fun, but it's now bigger than we thought it was. There are lives on the line here.

There's no way out. Worst case scenario. There's no way out. Here's the reality. We might catfish. Yeah. We might literally have a crew that shows up at the bakery.

So either participate or you're getting... And that would be appropriate. You might get ambushed, and if you get ambushed, it's never a good look. It'll look like Joey Greco from cheaters. The goat. I'll do it in a better. We can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way, but we will find the truth. And what's going to happen is there's going to be a polygraph at some point.

Or we can just all start getting fucking real. Is everybody clear on what we're doing? Is everybody willing to participate? All right. Here's my suggestion. If we're doing this, we do this as real as it gets. This is our thing. I agree.

It's happening, Sam. This is a current. But Sam, keep going because your instincts are right. We got to get away from the silliness. We got right. So that means that we start with our climbing shoes on. Our feet jammed into these shoes for an hour, right? Maybe you take a climb, Sam.

Maybe you take a climb. Maybe you just. Maybe just try it at the gym. And part of the baker. And scene. I'm glad that we're away from the building room. Yeah. No, but you're right, Sam.

You're 100% right. You're 100% right. Make the feet as crinkly and gross as they get after climbing. Keep your shoes on when you leave. Go right home. Take your shoes off there and do the test. deal. Okay, what if we're good at it?

Hey. And what if she says, that's what she said? Then you have a career. But then, you know what? Then you have a career. Who said that? Tyler. Stone.

No, I would never say that. Stone said then you have a career. Oh, Stone's paying. You'd make so much money. I don't know money anymore. By the way. You know what's really funny. If the video is really out, we'll create an only fan with one video and you guys get all the proceeds.

A totally fans. We'll give part of the proceeds to the Chip Sanctuary and you guys get the rest. We'll adopt two chips with this. The government might take this show's internet away. Okay. So Sam and Aaron, if you're good at it, then we're going to cross the bridge. If she says that's what I saw, then we're going to hire a lie detector test. Seriously.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So no matter what, we're not going to stop on this until we get to the end. Okay. I knew I can count on you. This is huge. I mean, it feels like everyone has their walking orders, pardon the pun.

So let's go off, make these things happen. We'll be in touch and we'll go from there. And by the way, thank you for being a part of the wildest call I think we've had. For sure. By the way, this is an all-time favorite. This is an all-time favorite. This is insane. All-time favorite first.

This is in that top five category. Hell yeah. Really quickly before we go, everyone's got their marching orders. Let's be really honest for a second, Stone, because I don't think you are honest with your pizza slices. We're just talking about sexual desire now.

We're not. talking about you as a well-rounded person. So you're not going to Google on you porn personality traits. Wow, yeah. What are your slices? Three boobs. Three butts, one feet, and some garlic knots, and then last slice, neck. Okay.

All right, everybody. Thank you for your honesty. That was the most troubling. Guys. That's the most troubling. Come on now. No, we're not judging. Three boobs.

Three buds. Martian fucking. Everybody move on. Stone. I like that. And I actually agree with the slice of neck. All right. We got to go.

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Hi. Hi. So there's two of you. We know you're a follow-up. Can we get your names? And then we'll just get into what the first call was and where we're at. Yeah, Sam here. And Aaron, we are your couple that was accused of intertwining our toes.

I remember this. Yes. the rock climbers. Okay, so we then recommended you make a video where your feet intertwined to see if you can even do it, right? Right, that's right. And originally we were like, okay,

if we're going to do this, we're going to do it scientifically, and we're going to wear climbing shoes for like an hour beforehand so that our feet are really cramped. Gross. But what we ended up just like, we put it off for so long

because it was so uncomfortable, and we finally did it without climbing shoes, and it was already so difficult that we decided that that was probably enough without us trying it. It's good to know. Real quick. Yeah. How did it go?

Terrible. Terrible. Jake, this. Oh, we got a video. I can't wait to see this video. I can't either. So it's long. So I think I'm going to play it at like double speed.

I should also say we have Tyler in the waiting room and he hasn't seen it yet. So I'm wondering if. And Tyler is the guy? who started the rumor? No, he's the friend. Who's the connective tissue? Let us know. Connective tissue, which is what Sam has in between his toes.

Well, let's bring, I mean, do we bring Tyler in too? I think he's going to have to watch it. Okay. You know? Unless you want to watch it twice. No, no, no. Let's bring Tyler in. Well, well, well.

Well, yeah. You know, Tyler. I forgot about Tyler. Honestly, I did too. Last time we talked to Tyler he was in an airport just sat in around. Tyler. I know, yeah. Tyler, how you doing, pal?

Good to be bad, boys. Good to be back. Tyler, I don't remember if we got you there. But where are you on whether or not beautiful? Look at you. Hello, Tyler. Tyler. You asked for it, you got it, baby.

And we're very happy. You're easy on the eyes. Where are you on that? Do you think that they are the toe minglers? I know. A lot of jokes have been shared, a lot of laughs. I don't think they were, if I'm going to be very honest. I'll jokes aside.

I think this would be a lot of hullabaloo to go through. Agreed. If they would, rather than you submit it. But let's do this right now. Gareth, I wish you didn't ask that question because it does take away a little bit of the fireworks show we're about to present. We're not live. Can we now watch the video that Sam and Aaron made

where they're trying to put their feet. together as best they can. This is what I'm waiting for. There's Ruby, the dog. Their feet are going together. They are pushing. They are giggling. And what the audience can't see,

this fits like a glove. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. So what the audience can't see, it's Nailor's lying, is the toes because of Sam's feet, his toes don't stretch at all, they can't intertwine. Like they're tied together.

Okay, gross. I think it's terrible. This is terrible. I think I've unlocked a fetish. Are we able to like openly apologize to everyone who watches us? Nope. Let's pause. Please pause it.

Please stop it. Thank you. First of all, putting it in double speed was more than I expected. Yeah. The giggle sounded smurphy. And how fast it was? I don't remember how long the video is. I think it's like eight minutes.

It was three minutes, but that feels like a long time. When you're just watching, two toes not puzzled together and feels like mashed together. Jake only made it through a minute and a half. Can I also point out that I think just our dog's reaction alone really sealed to deal that we have never done this? Okay. And I'll say another thing I know about Sam. I think he's clocking it in about size seven feet, maybe, six and a half. Small feet.

We love them. Well, we didn't have to. scientifically, it would have made sense for Sam's little toes to be able to slot in somewhere as far as I'm concerned. But let me get to this now. So we've now seen the video. We know Sam and Aaron's toes do not work. Well, my head. Fine.

Yeah, but they don't interact. They don't work together. They don't work together. They don't work together. Which is a different podcast and you guys, if you can let out. I agree. But where are we at now with Tyler, the person who told you? Yeah.

So I know that I failed. I had a big duty here. And boys, I tried. I tried to get them here. I tried to get him into the court of law. They were going to come on the show. Yes. This was the assignment.

Right. We were trying to get my friend. and the original source on. Right. And we got a little spooked. Didn't. Oh. Can you explain to us what happened?

In terms of them saying, how you brought it up, what happened? Yeah, I started with my friend. And so, you know, the person I heard it from,

and she thought it was, this is great, you know, there's a story here, what's going on, let's find the truth together, was down the clown. I didn't want to kind of lead her too much.

She was like, yeah, just come on and talk about it, you know, wild story, right? You know, I didn't want to influence our witnesses here. And this is honestly an opportunity, too, for me to see if there's any sliver of exaggeration from her. Because there was a world where she kind of did a little twist on truth in the story. And, you know, there was maybe an opportunity for her, like, oh, I'm not going to come on the show. kind of made this up. But she was like, No, she's like,

I'm down. Let me talk to my friend. So that sort of passed the first sniff check. And then this original source wasn't really down to talk about it.

But also another opportunity to be like it happened. To make some declaration. Yeah. Stay by it. Yeah. So she didn't, she wasn't like, oh, I guess I was wrong or whatever.

So I think she still believes. In all honesty, does the original person, in your heart of hearts, do you believe that they actually think Sam and Aaron did this? Yes. Okay. So then what we're going to need you to do is show them the video. 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. We can make sure that happens. I will say that I don't know if that's going to happen live. No, it won't. That's okay. Send an expectation. Trust us. But what we would like you to do now is you sit down with this person and get them to say, like asking, like, do you really think Sam and Aaron intertwining their toes and she'll go, I saw it.

And then go, okay, so this is them trying their hardest. Was it these feet? And whatever she says, just remember the best you can. We'll have you guys out on again. But we, I mean, we're not at the bottom of it. I will say, Tyler, you've done your stuff. Tyler, you've done your stuff.

We're right there. Maybe I love the spotlight. I want us to keep going. My suspicion is that this person, this original source, they are slamming up. That's okay. They don't have to be on. Show them the video.

Also, I don't really know this original person. So my only vehicle is via my friend. Right. But that can also be. Exactly. That can be what we do. And then what we might have to do is get your friend done. I completely agree with that.

So Sam and Aaron, going back to you guys for a second, because now you're seeing what we're all seeing. Everybody who listens to the show, a couple people in Thailand, one guy in Greenland. The world is watching. Why the fuck, Sam and Aaron, do you think that they're starting this weird rumor about you? And when we do the spotlight,

if I saw somebody, if I saw Gareth doing something weird, and then somebody called and said, hey, they want you to back it up, I would go, yeah. And if I was wrong, I'd go, oh, I'm sorry, Gareth, I thought that was you. Yeah. And then we could all have a laugh.

But if they now are clamming up and going, no, no, no, then that means they said, want to start a weird rumor? You know, I think, I know very little about this person. I can't imagine that they would start a rumor just for kicks.

I don't know. I don't know them well enough. Kicks? My guest, and we had talked about this, we had talked about this on the last show, was maybe they saw someone who remotely resembled us. But I've been racking my brain.

I can't think of another couple that I've seen in the gym that looks like us. So I'm also out of ideas. It's very frustrating. It's crazy. Yeah. I feel like we've worked hard at this. Go ahead. We need to know is that we have not seen this person in person since she,

She now knows that we know that kind of situation. We haven't seen her in person at the gym yet. At some point, we're going to have to see each other. It will be awkward, Erin. I'm sorry to say, I know for a fact it's gotten awkward, so just be prepared. You're talking about the original source. Yes. Yes.

Well, guess what, Tyler? It should be awkward. She told people they were interlocking their toes. That's the downside to hearsay. Tyler, if you could help us, you know, we would really love. Your friend who told you, could we get her contact information? And can I email her directly? Yes.

Okay. So here's what we're going to do now. We're going to need that info from you, Tyler. And we are going to just see what happens. See what the spirit does. Yeah, so everybody, thank you guys for joining for part two. Jake, if I may. Yeah.

When we end it, we might want to end with a boom, boom. was that in everybody was that the no that's just the tease to it go ahead you can wrap it up then I'll do it three two one we will we will talk to you guys all very soon done done

sorry I think Sammy talked over that whatever we'll figure it up we need a clean we need a clean Sam all right thank you everybody and in conclusion to this episode yeah it's been a

real ride. It's been a ride. I sent an email to the woman that Tyler, he gave me his, we got one step closer. Can I read what I sent? Yes. So I know this is a uniquely strange situation and we don't want to put you in an awkward spot with your co-worker, but we're just trying to get to the comedic end of this intertwining foot saga. Tyler said he didn't think you wanted to come on the show. He didn't want to offend anybody who potentially started the rumor. Is that accurate? Looking for any and all info you might have on this. Again, it's all for fun. There are no real stakes.

It's about feet interlocking at a climbing gym. Aaron and Sam are not mad. They more find it funny. I just think it's fun to try and get to the source of this sort of stuff. What do you think want to join this odd law and order episode? Now, let me just say, very good. Thanks, but I also believe all that. Sincinct, enjoyable, not too much.

But even the person who started this rumor, if they happened to hear it, let it be known. You did nothing wrong. Nothing. Also, this is so, we're talking about intertwining feet at a climbing. Tiny steaks. Sam and Aaron, if you guys are weird around the person who started, relax. They thought they saw you with your feet intertwining. If the person gets their feelings hurt and then,

all of a sudden feels weird at the gym, guys, all have a laugh. These are not real stakes. Yes. But she wrote back, the situation's tricky, I was excited, but the coworker didn't receive the invite.

Well, she felt a little embarrassed and doesn't like this. Sent some other stuff, all very nice. She did say, happy to lay down my POV. Basically,

just said her co-worker's cool. but doesn't want to get involved with the game like this, doesn't find it as much fun. Doesn't know if we're going to punk her, whatever it is. Great. Play your game, play you. Basically, I heard she witnessed Sam and Aaron at a climbing gym holding toes, and I, of course, believed it to be true

because they are a hilarious, quirky couple. So, in closing, she made it seem like she thought Sam and Aaron did it. Tyler has made it very clear that he thought Sam and Aaron did it. The main source doesn't want to be involved, and I get it. She doesn't know if she or he doesn't want to get bombarded with, hey, we're doing a podcast, you're the bad guy. And she's like, I'm not having any fun with this.

It's catfish. She's like, I don't want to be catfish by Neve in some coast. The point of this is we are not going to get to the ending. Yeah. We are going to let it go. We made a video. And so we thought, well, that's not a big ending for our audience. And so we decided to have the great stone on

to watch the video of the intertwining feet. Just talk about it. In real time. Like a real time documentary narration. Stone style. Stone style. So without further ado, we take you to Stone style. Boom, bum.

all right so hi uh this is here to help pod this is stone uh local foot enthusiast okay i'm watching a video here of uh two climbers their toes are very strong they're uh oh man that toe is that toe is getting in between that other toe but they can't interlace all of the toes oh and There's a dog. The dog just walked by. He wants in on the action. Okay, they're trying again. They're trying to interlace the toes again.

One foot is paler than the other foot. But they are gnarled feet for sure. These are climbers' foots. They have put those feet through hell, jamming them in all different sorts of ways. these feet have been through it. So you can tell they're good climbers, but they cannot interlace. I will say, oh, and they're showing the dog again.

The dog's foot is in. It's not doing anything for me, because that would, anyway. Oh, my God, it's actually interlacing. They got two toes. They got the big toes interlaced, and they got the middle finger toes. interlaced. But they cannot

interlace all toes. Okay. Stone, your thoughts on that video as our foot guy. Well, it's pretty much out in the open that they cannot

interlace all of their toes. So it's refuted. It is. It's 100% refuted. It's beautiful, but no, those, those, they, they could, they would not have a career in, in, uh, in my circles. It did nothing for you. And what about, though, just for somebody who's not in the game? Yeah.

What's, what's gross about those feet? Uh, I don't know. You want like, sort of, uh, I don't know, I'm looking for, like, toes that have never or feet that have never like been harmed in any way I suppose pure

feet I suppose I don't know feet that have been bathed in all sorts of lotions and creams just a foot that's been taken care of you see and those feet

are strong. They're salt of the earth. Right. Grind of the sea strong. But they're not, they're just two different types. Okay. Let them go, Garrett.

Let him go. So keep going? No, that's pretty much it. But do the salt or the earth kind of feat, that does it do anything for you? No. No, I'm looking for like the princess of feet. You know what I'm saying?

This kind of goes against our intro a little bit. Remember the whole modern man thing? No, it's the end. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. Stone, you're the best. All right, thanks, my friend. Thanks.

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