We're Here to Help - 273: WEIRD Here to Help: Immaculate Possession & Uhaul Grandma's Spirit

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

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This is a head gum podcast. This is a head gum podcast. It's weird here to help with Steve Berg and Eric Edelstein. Yay! We're going to get into it this week. We're going to have a whole bunch of fun, Steve. Oh, Eric, I am juiced up and ready to go. And Eric, there's been something I've been keeping from you for the last two weeks.

I wanted to save it for this. Oh, wow. Okay. It involves old people, so it's going to be in your wheelhouse, all right? Thank you. Eric, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I have in the last couple of years taken the Omaha during the day, Monday through Friday, like during the day, the off hours, but I have taken the indoor tennis center, the Hanscombe Tennis Center by storm. Okay, so I play with my dad every Thursday morning, and it's a lot of old timer.

It's all old timers. It's all retirees because it's like during the workday. And my dad and I are in. They were playing tennis. And then my dad was talking to one of his buddies. And they're like, oh, we're short a partner for Saturday. And my dad goes, hey, Steve, can you fill in? I go, sure, of course.

So I'll jump and play with a bunch of 80-year-olds. It's great. You know, it's fun. We go there. We have like a lovely session. The one guy who is my partner decides to throw money on the game because he thought I would be the ringer. And I'm trying, first off, I'm trying not to hit it hard. I mean, these are literally 80 year old and plus men, like ex-judges and stuff like that.

And so I'm softballed and he's like yelling at me to hit it harder. But this isn't worth the story. So but what happens is anyways, so I, we end up, we end up winning. I was kind of the ringer. And then however, they invited me, which is a real, real big deal. They invite me for after tennis coffee, Eric. Wow. Oh, we go to the mill house and we get coffees.

We get some pastries to share. We're all in our tennis togs. You know, a lot of these guys have like dogs. Cogs. They have like Sergio Technici, if that's, I'm saying it right. And like old, old Fila, like 90s vintage, like tennis warm-ups. They're looking great. I'm looking like a slub.

However, we're eating the pastries, having some scones. They're all chatting about politics and like local politics. Very interesting. And one guy mentions that he's part of, he's on the board of the Omaha Historical Society. Now, Eric, I've been trying to get an in with these people since I moved back, okay? Because that's, they hold the keys to all the mysteries of Omaha. And I've been one to go there and give a lecture about Weird Nebraska. So I mentioned to it and see if he can do a little nepotism,

well, you know, like a little Hollywood action. He just, I just got a call today that in a month I'm going to speak about the history of UFOs in Nebraska. No, no. It's a huge deal. Are you kidding? Oh, every, it's the talk of the town in Omaha here. This is going to be a regular thing for you.

I think you might have just found your tribe. Eric, it is. But I will say, it's my first introduction into. like kind of the, you know, geriatric world. Now, I'm going to, I'm basically what I'm, this whole story is to come to the, come to the question, what should I do? Give me some advice. I'm entering a very unfamiliar zone here.

Talk to me. I don't think you are because you're, you're, you're a old soul. Sure. And old people love you. There's a reason you're already invited to play doubles tennis. There's a reason that you fit in so well. They're going to adore you at the gates. Because also, I think you and.

and I are humor is more geared toward old people. Probably. Like, they, they love it. What day is your lecture? It is in, it's at the, it's not actually a month away. It's more like the end of March. It's the last Thursday in March, I believe. And can listeners come and see you?

Is it like, oh, wow. It's just to the, I'm through the members. You're basically joining a secret society. I kind of feel like I am. This is like the bohemian grove of Omaha. Well, it is, you know, I was thinking the same thing. Like, what's my, like, am I going to do some like initiation? am I going to have to like drink the blood of an owl or something?

No, probably just sex stuff. Oh, okay. You're fine. Yeah, Stevie, it's just skin. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. And the other thing is you're going to have access now

to that Omaha Historical Society history. And the stuff deep in their files, which there might be some serious mysteries. Oh, for sure. Are you kidding? The mysteries of Omaha are, look, they know where the bodies are buried. Oh, yeah, and it ain't pretty. Are you kidding?

There's a lot under that corn. Yeah. So much. There is quite a bit. Yeah. I mean, but like seriously, like going in, because it, like, look, I'm going to be the young buck in this situation. Give me. Very rare.

Maybe that's why I do it, too. I just like being the youngest person in the room. But what's like an icebreaker I can have with these, you know, these older, these older gentle women and gentlemen? The weather. The weather. I talked to my older name. It's the weather. There's a reason that cliche works. Yeah. My neighbor Renee, he's always sitting outside across the street. We just talked about the weather for three minutes. That led us into some

bits about the storm in New York. So glad we're living here. Right. They love the weather. Yeah, they love the weather. Some kind of non-political current event. Yeah. I think. And then just really see them because they want to talk. Yeah. And they have stories and you just kind of guide them along. Okay. This is great advice. I think, you know, in some, nice I came to a professional like yourself. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm the mid-I'm the midwife for elderly people. Some cynical people make fun of it. For the concerts

I go to, Johnny Pemberton now calls me The Reaper. The Reaper! The Reaper got a really cool older person's phone number today, I'll tell you what. You told me about this. Oh, yeah. I was getting my IV treatment for allergies and ran into my old neighbor, Morgan Fairchild.

Of Nott's Landing fame. Also, she Oh, yeah. She was like a major league model of the 70s and 80s too. Oh, she was huge. She was a pinup. And I used to walk my dog and be starstruck by her every time. And I hate to say it, it's a little like collecting baseball cards, but the Reaper got a great elderly person's number in his phone today. Guys, I don't know if you're hearing the gravity of the situation, but Eric got Morgan and Fairchild's digits. Youngsters out there, Google Morgan Fairchild. And you'll be like,

oh, Eric, well, done. Oh, yeah. Well, because I offered a helper. I drive for fun. I drive for recreation and I'm happy to give her a ride and we go to the same place for for these IVs so done we're both just getting stuff injected in us you know what's you're gonna happen and you know what's gonna happen and cut to like six months from now and you're like god damn I have to pick up Morgan again I did I've had that she has a whole food because she was a fruit salad there's a legendary senior citizen character actor that just is like what do you do I'm like I'm I'm picking him up at a funeral the dim stone place in San Gabriel but I you broke it you buy it and and and and you'll have a lot of fun with seniors, but if you have any awkward situations, I can help you with that too. That being said, Stephen, we have our first caller. Should we give them some help? Should we just change a life right now? We made this crazy world just a little bit better. And a little bit more crazy. Done. Done. All right, here we go with our first caller. back and we are here to help and we're here to help caller welcome you're on with eric and

steve what is your name and where are you calling from hey guys my name is zach and i'm calling from indianapolis indiana oh zach i love indianapolis i went there in saugan zagalos losing the finals but i love your city all those beautiful bricks downtown some incredible eating solid skyline too when you're driving around it yeah it really know it's not it's i think people have a certain idea of it in their heads, but if you get there, it's really not that bad. Agreed. Indianapolis rules, and I also highly recommend get in that car, drive the two and a half hours to French lick. We snuck on to Larry Bird's basketball court and shot back.

Of course you did. So we had the time of our life. Scared the hell out of an older man, poor Larry Bird. Like, Jesus Christ, again? No, they were absolutely. It was me, Jeremy and Casey Calvary and Jeremy's son. We're talking 611, 68, and I'm 6'4, that they weren't going to tell us to move. It was a glorious time.

We love Indianapolis. I get it. Yeah. India is a great state. Fellow large man, you're home. Welcome. Yeah. This is the only podcast where the big man is celebrated.

We are a tribe of giants trying to help each other. We're so glad we can help you. So first up, my Indiana friend, give us your Desert Island favorite album, favorite movie, or will allow a premium television show, and books so we get a sense of who you are. They better be good. All right.

Okay. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Favorite movie? I had to choose a movie he was in. I think I'm going to choose something that has some comedy, but also some wholesome with it. I'm going to go Patch Adams.

Oh, with the great, Rob, oh, yeah, Mr. Happy. Oh, that was pretty good. That was pretty good. That was a good Robin Williams. We need more Patch Adams in this world. With our health care system, we need somebody putting on that clown nose,

making people laugh. That's right. Also watch Robin Williams on homicide, life on the street. Robin, you know, Robin Williams. We'd have less Luigi's. We'd have less Luigi's if we had more Patch Adams. Right?

We would. We would. Come on. Come on. Yeah. We'd have a lot less. If you had more patch, less Luigi. Yeah.

I'm going to let that fastball go by the point. Yeah. Podcast on the air, but I think you know we're right with that ball. I love you. Okay. Patch Adams is a very, very good choice. Now, give us a album and a book if you could. Okay.

Am I cheating if I do a greatest hits album? No, not at all. We're trying to figure out who you are. I'll accept it this once. Usually I wouldn't look, but I'm feeling generous today. But that's how Steve got me, Brian Jones time asker. It's a compilation. Yeah.

And it's a midwife to greatness. So what's your greatest is? Queen. Oh, I love Queen. Fuck, yes. Queen's great. Yeah, I'm a big queen guy. You get something different with all of their songs.

Yes. You get art rock. You get metal. I mean, crazy little thing called Love's Practically Country. Absolutely. And Brian May. Brian May is one of the most inventive great guitar players. Whether you like Queen or not, you have to admit that.

Okay, finally, Caller, what would be your book? Okay, I think I'm going to go Aragon, Christopher Palini. Oh, what's that book? Is that a fantasy book? It is. It's the book that got me into like medieval fantasy, which I'm a big fan of. Me too, me too. I fell in love with it.

So, yeah, I think it's the, it was a young adult book, but I just, it's the book. that made me fall in love with it. So, yeah, I think I'd say to Aaron. You know, I'm going to get that as an audiobooks. That feels like a great, like, summer road trip book. You get lost in the world of fantasy chain mail, milk maidens, all the things. Milk Maiden, Steve? I don't know.

I'm trying to keep this podcast on the air, buddy. I love a milkman. I love a milkman. Sorry. We've got a hint of irony. I love a milkman. This is why we do this. We're one of us.

We love this now. We got Erragon. We got Queen. We got Patch Adams. You're a home, friend. So, how can we have a home? How can we help you today, fellow giant? Okay.

Listen, you guys can't judge me too hard on this, right? Never, never, never. I pretended to be possessed for over a year, and some of my friends still don't know that it was fake. Greatest call ever, Steve? Wow, I am. Greatest call ever? It's hard to shock me, and I will say this is a first.

First of all I will say. Steve, your jaws open. You might just closing that, and there's a little bit of rule. Bravo. So I will say right at the gate, that commitment to the bit of being possessed by a demon for 365 days is, it's astounding. We call that legend shit. That's legend shit. That's legend shit.

That's a legend shit, dude. You're going to have a windbreaker coming to you in the mail. It's going to say legend shit on the back. Oh, my. Okay. Take us back, and we are going to interrupt because this is so amazing. But take us to the beginning. What led to the beginning of you?

faking possession and why my incredible friend did you do it oh my god so i love this so it starts off as a bit of a downer but it's important context so my dad had just been diagnosed of with lung cancer and died within six months and i was 18 years old right and i appreciate it so it was i was going through a hard time right my mom she didn't handle it super well she kind of went out party in a bunch we're much better now but this is what i was going through right so i didn't realize it at the time, but I was begging for attention, right? And I just needed attention. And so I had this friend who was staying at my house a lot and I was kind of annoyed with him. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry to interrupt you. When was this in the timeline of your life? Like,

was this like five years ago or recently? This was in 2010 and I was 18. I'm 34 now. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Road of Excess leads the Palace of Wisdom, Friend. This is 18-year-old behavior. Yeah, it is. It is. It is. So a friend is staying with you.

It is kind of annoying. And how long did, how long had this friend stayed with you? For about a week at this point, just like every night, staying at our house, eating our food, not really replenishing yet. I hate that. I was pretty much living there by myself. He was probably attacking all your condiments and like top shelf mustard. I had a room like that once. And this is going to sound controversial.

and there's only a couple exceptions to this rule, and Steve Berg is one of them. Thank you. People and fish go bad after three days. I don't stay with anyone more than three days, three nights, and I let people know, and I've had people be kind of weird or surprised about it because I do seem so hospitable,

and the reason I am hospitals is because I have boundaries. But past three days, it starts to get a little rough. It gets a little sticky. And you start to get in each other's ways, and they'll be like, well, I'm not actually going to be there four days. I'm like, fantastic. There's a Radisson that I hear a real buzz about right off Glendale Boulevard. Or another friend you can do.

I'll have friends hint. So already I'm saying you're on the right and your friend was in the wrong because a week is way too long. But I do want to say, Steve, that doesn't apply to you. Thank you. Thanks. And I are sad when you leave. I'm family. I'm family.

Well, you also contribute. You buy groceries. You make a red sauce. Yeah. You are able to deal with Lee the dog in a better way than most people. I bring my own grass. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, Steve is the exception of that rule, but 98% of the time, food, no, they don't. They just eat it. They just take your shit. They'll break stuff. They're strange. You don't want to know what someone else is doing in the bathroom. You don't want to hear it for more than three days. So this guy's already broken rule number, Uno, in my book, of staying a week.

So what was your plan because he was staying too long? Okay. So we were both, there was two couches in the living room, and we both were sleeping in the living room one night. You've just been playing some video games, staying up late. And I don't know where this started. I don't know why the thought came to me, but I pretended to be asleep and pretended to fall asleep. I did the classic, like, slight snore, more so heavy breathing thing. And I just kind of shot up.

I knew he was still awake. He was scrolling on his own. And I just kind of shot up. And I started just saying the word, Evats. Evets, Evets over and over again, really, really fast.

Oh, you're a kid. And then I, like, kind of passed back out, and then he, like, was scared,

and he came over, and he woke me up, and he was like, dude, dude, what was that? Like, do you know what you just did?

And I'm playing dumb. I'm playing, like, I have no idea. He was like, what does Evette mean? and, like, we're trying to figure it out.

And then, and I had planned this, Evats was Steve backwards, which was my dad's father's face. My dad's name. Oh my God. Oh, you're brilliant. Oh, just brilliant.

So good. This is why we do this show. So it was the setup and the payoff of that. And I think once that was discovered, he was bought in from there. Yeah. And so that was the first night. Yeah. And all of a says, you know what?

It's been so great over here. I think of him to go sleep over at Craig's place. I think it was a hospice I was looking into. Yeah. Love your dad. Not a hot hostel. I'm going to go! Yeah, yeah.

You're playing chess in a life full of checkers. It sounds like to me. I mean, I guess you can call it that. I appreciate that. I will, but I have a feeling this thing snowballed. So what happened next? Yeah, so, I mean, it gets to the point where one night he even puts salt around the couch that I'm sleeping in. He knows.

Smart approach, by the way, on your friend's part. They're obviously a skilled warlock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I started, so we, there's this, I'm a board member of the theater now, and I work there now, but at the time I was just kind of like a patron there and a cast member there. But there's this theater that I work at that's been around since 1901.

And it's a lot of old, it's definitely haunted. We literally have paperwork that shows that a little boy died there. It's for sure. Yeah. Yes, we do. His name was Timmy. I'm not joking. Jesus Christ.

It's called the Dyer Opera House. If you ever want to look it up, Dyer Opera House. It's really cool. It's an awesome space, 19-1. But, so I would like do stuff there where I would kind of just all of a sudden kind of check out and just kind of zone out and get really irritable and get kind of mad. And then all of a sudden I would kind of snap out of it and kind of act like I didn't really know what was going on and kind of a blackout moment. and that was kind of okay. And then where I really started getting going ham,

I started, I started texting him and other friends in Latin. Oh, my God. Oh, I love it. Oh, I love it. And I would also text them completely in backwards. And then I guess it was, I mean, it was 2010.

It wasn't that early on in the iPhones, It was early enough that I guess they didn't think about the fact that I could delete the messages from my end. Right. And so they would come to me the next day and they would be like, what is this? Like, what the hell? And then I would show them my phone and be like, I didn't send anything. Like, where are you talking about? My God.

Yeah, it was and it all, and this was, and this was in between high school and college. So this bleeds into my first year of college where I'm in the acting program, which did help my, you know, commitment to this bit and my dramatization. And there was this one girl, and this is kind of where this whole question came in to be, because I've told other people about this. The friend at the house, I ended up telling him about it. We can get into that later. But this girl I still have yet to tell to this day.

She was pretty religious. And we were all hanging out one night, and I knew she was behind playing. and I knew that she was kind of just like close enough that if I held my phone in a certain way, she could probably, if she wanted to, look at what I was doing. And I started doing that thing where I acted a little irritable

and I acted a little upset. And I got out the calculator app on my phone. And I just started typing in the number 666. Oh, yeah. Classic, classic. You're hitting all the, you're hitting, you're in, You're hitting all the demonic tropes, by the way.

Obviously, you watch X-a-Santis a lot as a kid. Oh, I love horror movies. Me too. They're great. And, Steve, there are haunted tours of the guy or opera house. Apparently, there's a lot of paranormal activity there. Timmy's close thoughts it, Steve. You may need to go.

I'm going to have to go do an overnight there. Maybe you can hook me up. Hey, they offer tours. You can sleep there. Look, okay, so this is, first of all, I am just loving this so much. This is like a great, it's a screenplay. I'm going to start writing tonight that I'll never finish. I'll have a great first act, though.

I have a screenplay graveyard that I can contribute this one too. But so is this, so how long did this carry on? So it started in the summer before my freshman year, and it carried on into like the very beginning of my sophomore year. And so a solid year. So yeah, a solid year a little bit over. And I just kind of slowly stopped doing things. Like it culminated at one point where this was with my friends back at high school.

We were at a poker game and we were playing some Texas hold them just a bunch of 19 year old kids. And we were listening to music and we were, you know, hanging out. And I just started doing that classic thing where I was. would like, I kind of would zone out and act a little irritable and I would put my head down. And they, oh, God, they started playing Christian music. And I started, like, reacting, like, angry to it. Like, I started, like, getting mad. Like, it was burning you?

Yeah. Yeah. And then I just, like, they kind of snapped me out of it. And I was, and this was at the point where I was like, oh, my God, I've lost it. Like, I've, I've genuinely lost it. this is crazy what I'm doing. And so I kind of acted like I was like out of it. And I didn't really like what just happened.

And so I just left. And ever since then, I just kind of like stopped. I just stopped and no one talked about it for years. Until my wedding. 16 years. When I admitted to certain people that it was all fake. And what did they say when you admitted it? Now, a part of me feels like none of them, maybe one of them said,

this, a part of me feels like they had to have known. I mean, or I just, it just, it seems so crazy that like, I mean, I did it to upwards of like a dozen people and it seems so crazy that all of them would have bought in. What a great acting exercise. This is like,

yeah, eat my lunch deal, Dale, Dale Lewis. I mean, this is, this is the real method acting. Yeah, well, eat it. With a nice to mariana, a little saratha. So when you did, when you started to let people know in apologizing. When did you start apologizing and how did that go?

So it all started. We were genuinely, I had just gotten married. A lot of the people who had been a part of it stayed really good friends with me. I mean, they never, like, I never like lost friends. It's a testament to that. Yeah. Trust their hearts. Amazing friends.

Yeah. And so we're at the wedding night. Absolutely. Yeah. And we're at the wedding night and we're at the reception and we're all hanging out. And I'm just feeling good. and I'm like, you know what, guys, I've got to tell you some of my friend. I just admit it because I feel like I had never publicly said it to anyone other than my wife,

how ridiculous this thing I did was. And they were all just kind of like, yeah, it's okay, man. That's all right. Like one of them's like, yeah, we know. And the other one was like, oh, I don't really even remember that, which that one blew me away. I was surprised that they didn't remember one of their friends being possessed. But, yeah, they were all. It's possible.

think you really were possessed and the Christian rock just worked. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine I like to picture you at your own. I love to picture you at like your own wedding toast and all of a sudden you're like, I just want to thank all my family. Your friends are being haven't, I want to thank Amy Grant for her healing music. Imagine, Irrat, I imagine.

Imagine. Imagine. It's a story of Sigmapateranas. Oh my God. You rip off your suit and you have like a flayer raining blood shirt on. I mean, that would be, you know, yeah, my mom would love them. God, this is like the greatest bit ever. I mean, like, it's a great bit. And like, I think like it's a testament to your friends that they forgave you.

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quick, because there's, there's, like, a couple people that I haven't told. One of them is this Christian girl. Oh, boy. She became Christian after this. He drove her to it. I'm one, and we're not like, we don't talk all the time, right? And so I'm wondering, like, do I need to bring this up to the person? What that happened over a decade ago?

Should I, is that making it worse? You know, I'm a big believer generally in Let Sleeping Dogs Live when it comes something like this. However. For the love of the bit and what you accomplished. And for this podcast. And look, and this is going to be some great podcast material. It's self-serving, but you're going to have to reach out to her just for the pod. We need this.

Look, look, look. And it might do her some good. I would like to pitch an idea. It will it be easy? No. But, you know, we're not here to make things easy. What if we had you won for a special part two where we had you both on the show where you tell this poor sweet little Kristen girl that you, faked being a demon for a year of your life.

I mean, the thing is that she's an actor. If I kind of frame it, as in like, there's this thing. You know, I don't think she'd say no necessarily. I mean, it's worth a shit. Dude, if you are willing to, Eric, are you okay with this? Would you be okay? Lord, yes. And we can't let this sleeping dog like.

We could have a real, like, Jerry Springer moment where we have you on the show. Eric and I will just conduct. We will stay out of the way. and we'll just set up the scenario without like, you know, divulge into this information, and you can tell her live on the air from all the listeners that you played

the demon bit. I mean, like, I'm already nervous, but honestly, it's such good, it's such good content. Well, you're so, we're celebrating the theater, too. It's like you performed this amazing role of playing a demon in 2010

for a year of your fucking life, commitment to the bitch, but also it's like, this is a great day new ma to the, piece, you know, like it's the third act. Let's end this right. I love it. I would say this, like, the male brain doesn't stop developing until age 25 or 26. So I think we all get a lot of leeway on stuff we did in high school and college. And also you went through a tremendous loss

yourself at a young age, what your mom was going through. Like, and I will say this is somebody who to nine years of Catholic school and was test on the material. She's a Christian. The whole overriding thing is forgiveness. So I think she will grant you that grace. Also, she's a fellow actor. And I think that, you know, I think she'll very much be open to hearing this. And she'll probably, it will alleviate a cosmic worry she's had for a long time.

Yeah. And imagine if we get to be on the show, like, hey, guess what? Demons don't exist. Possession doesn't exist. Devils don't exist. He was just going through a rough patch. It's an all-time great bit. He's our all-time greatest caller.

We're going to send you a polo shirt. But I think we have to do this on the air. And I think, yeah, you have to start figuring out how you're going to just let the last few people left know that you were doing a bit. And I think they'll be relieved and happy and will actually only help your friendships. Yes. It'll bring you guys back together. Wow. Thank you.

Yeah. Well, it could be it also be the start of something like fun to reconnect with these. people from your, you know, this era of your life and have a good life. Like, you know, it's one of those things where sometimes, you know, like, you get to, you know, me and Eric's age and all of a sudden you start seeing people at sad events, unfortunately, brings people together. But it doesn't always have to be that way. You can get ahead of it and create this thing where you reach out to people and tell them about

the bit. And then, look, and I think we got to have this young lady on and you tell her on the air. That'll just be, I mean, like, that's just a good podcast right there. I say, and it's obviously, like you said, it's good for her. I think it is good for her. What if she's holding on to this? So I think it's good. Imagine if somebody tells you, hey, demonic possession doesn't exist.

And it didn't exist with me. And I would say this. I'd say you have to make a tiny bit of a financial sacrifice. I think everyone you did this bit too, you take them out to a meal. Yeah. And you can all laugh about it. I will say I had one of the best meals of my life at the 10th Street diner in Indianapolis. Our guy, Guy Fiatty was just there.

I'm glad you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know 10th Street. I loved it there. The owner there is serving the food. She's one of the coolest heroes I've ever met. But I think you budget a little bit to take everybody you did this bit to out for a meal. And you can all laugh about it. After you do the pod with her and anyone else you need to apologize to, then you do a meal with everybody and you say, I'm now possessed by goodness. And I want to take you all out to a meal.

And we're going to have a great old laugh. this and I think everybody would be fired up. Imagine somebody saying, what did you do last night? Oh, this guy faked a demonic possession in college, but he took us all to dinner. We had a great laugh and now we're closer as a friend group than we've ever been before. Right. It's amazing.

Also, with the meal, don't feel obligated like if they're ordering like a side of cream spinach and you're like, oh, I think you have for a meal. No, we're paying for spinach, Steve. He pretended to be possessed by a deed. He does not have to pay for all the trimmings. I don't know about that. That's up to you.

I would say, I'll offer you the meal. meal combo plate, but if you want anything extra, that's going to be on you. They can get a kombucha. They can get a kombucha. The kombucha is like $7, dude. Steve, he's fake being possessed by a demon. He's fair. The path to healing, they can order what they want. Okay.

Get them all the trimmings. They want I can give them one night. I can give them one night. You can give them one night. It's also Indianapolis. It's not L.A. prices. True. True. The 10th Street diner is incredibly reasonable. Right. And great food. They're doing special things there with Tempa. Like, I think,

he can bone out for the cream spinach. Okay, okay. It'll be a cashew cream. Yeah, you know, order on your rings for the table. That's fine. We'll agree with that. All right, that's a fair compromise. See, we just found common ground and pitch the tent.

See, you're bringing Eric and I closer together here. Thank you. Wow, we needed that. Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, Steve and I are just callers. We're just callers, yeah. We need more help than anyone. I think you all know that.

That's absolutely true. That's why he feels so comfortable tells you're like, well, these two wackos are where the bar is. Yeah, I feel like in the spirit of the podcast and what we do here, here, I think to actually help you, what we can do is provide you with the platform to give a public apology to this poor little Christian girl. And also, she's an actor. You're one step closer to the great Jacobus Johnson. So as an act, it would be a bad business move on her part as an actor probably looking for work

to say no to this opportunity. I mean, I agree. That's what I think that's the angle I got to take it. It's the selling point. You say, hey, that new girl dude has a podcast. I wouldn't should be on it because there's something very important, I tell you. Yeah. Thank you.

There you go. Thank you. Oh, I got you, Eric. I got you. There you go. One day I'll tell the story of how playing drunk Elvis allowed me to meet Prince. It's not for now. It's for later.

We'll do it on the Patreon. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a great. Okay, so I love this plan. So as you know, now you're deeply enmeshed with us. We're deeply enmeshed with you. You're a fellow giant who will commit to a bit like a few others will, which Steve and I do as well.

Yes. our next step, we've begun our path to healing, and boy, this will air and air soon. But part two, we're going to do a public apology. And then we're going to be a part of that meal spiritually at the 10th Street Diner. Yeah. So what you can do for us, your little homework is in the next 48 hours, write an email or call and get in touch there. Get that conversation going again and then ask for her to be on the show.

And then you can schedule it with our producer, Morgan, lovely Morgan, and we can get this going because man, this could be just epic. I love what's cooking here. Me too. Love it. I appreciate it, guys. Absolutely, dude. Do you feel like we helped you today?

You definitely helped me. You helped us. I mean, I'm going to, I might actually steal this bit because it's so funny. This might be a screenplay. It is. It's a great way to get the first screenplay. I'll pay that much. Well, and we're all looking for it.

We all crave it. And then could we hire someone to play the devil when we do the podcast and Oh, God. Eric, you just booked. Done. Okay. Eric already has a Baffamette statue in the back of him, so he's perfect for this part. It's a central Catholic ram.

No, it's not. We all know it's not. It's a lie. It's a baffet. Eric has a goat's head behind him. It's terrifying me. Zach, the man from Indian, well, oh, one of the greatest calls ever, my friend.

Don't let it go to your head, but we just thank you. Yeah. So good. Let's get this part two going. So get that homework done. You got 48 hours for the first volley. All right. Sounds good.

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And if you were on a deserted island, and you can only bring three things, one being a book, two being a premium television show or movie, and the third one being a album, what would they be. That's a lot of information you have to get out. Take it away. Take it away. I know. I cannot believe I didn't think about that ahead of time. That's okay. We love that. We don't want you to think. Yeah, off top of your head. We love it. We love it. Yeah. And there's no wrong answers and you can take your time. It just allows us a chance to get back to you. What's your name and where you're calling from though? I got to know. I got to know. My name is Meredith. I'm calling from the Denver suburban area. I saw that area code. You know what? I am friend of Denver. They call me Steve Denver sometimes because I, I love. I go there a lot. Who calls you that?

Who calls you that? I mean, people have. My neighbors. You hang out of the Sabarro at the Denver airport and call it good. I love Sabo. They got a great stromboli. Don't sleep on that, folks. I love a strong bully.

I love a strong boy. Welcome to the cross I have to bear. The Mile High City home, the Denver Broncos home of Bojo's Pizza with a honey crust. So, okay, what are your three items that you would bring with you on a deserted island? I don't remember. Was it a book? My book, I know I was bringing Desert Solitaire. 100%.

Desert Solitaire. Great title. Edward Abbey wrote it in the 70s, I think, maybe 60s. Like a conservative guy that was trying to help with the lands in the Southwest. Okay. Sounds interesting. Conservationist. Great, great, great, great title.

Great title. And what would an album be? Anything Brandy Carlyle. Anything, Brady Carlyle. Oh, wow. Eric was just talking about her. Eric was great hair. I'm going to let you know something called.

Brandy just released a bunch of signed merch this morning. Uh-oh. You're going to have to out there. Get on there. There's 50 limited edition signed things. Brandy Carlos released. Buy those before the resellers do. Brandy is one of those concerts.

I just do not miss. She is so, have you seen her live yet? Oh, yeah. I've seen her a couple times. I saw her at Red Rocks a few years. I'm just going to ask if you went to Red Rocks. I'm so jealous.

Really? You know, the Grateful Dead used to always play Red Rocks until some hippy took too much acid and jumped out the top of the rock. You know that? That's why Jerry was, Jerry stopped playing there. Anyway, sorry. Steve, bringing it down. Bring it down the energy. And then hopefully sometime I see you, I really want to go to Brandy's girls just won a weekend in Mexico.

Oh, yeah. My friend is a musician that has been asked to play and has not played it yet. And I'm begging her to do it, and I can be her bodyguard and just hang out in the pool and listen to Brandi Carlisle. It'd be so cool. Is there a need for a bodyguard this weekend, Eric? not a need for bodyguard. Brandy Carlisle's fans are incredible and magic, but Steve, if you've not seen Brandy yet, I remember I saw her the first time at one of those like, pick a nanny, passing a guitar around Steve Earle things did. And I went to my sister and I'm like,

have you heard of this Brandy Carlisle? And she's like, you mean the church of Brandy? She's the best thing there is. Yeah, we love Brandy Carlisle. She's incredible. Your sister gave me my first tarot deck. You don't remember that? Oh, that's right. And a little velvet purple bag with We're going to have to have her on to do terrible meetings on Patreon. Eric's got a great sister. She's incorporated this in her therapy practice. She's wonderful. She's wonderful.

Call, you're not off the hook. We need a movie or a TV show. You're two for two so far talking about conserving the lands and the great Brandy Carlisle. Andy Star Red Rocks, my God. Well, I think for, if I have to watch it on a desert island, it'd probably be some, like the office or, you know, parks and rec, something I could watch over and over. Yeah.

Yeah. It won't give you all. I vote Parks and Rec. You just put me on season one. Let me get you through that Desert Island. That's right. Eric's throwing through people's heads and stuff. Yeah.

Didn't age well, but we're here. Did it age? No, but we're here. Town meetings. No more that. We're going to go parks and rec because I love them and I'm grateful.

Eric made your choice for you. Okay, so Meredith's... Welcome to the pod. That's what we do. Meredith is from the wonderful state of Colorado. I just couldn't love Colorado anymore. grew up going to Esos Park lots. Meredith, what is the issue you might be calling about today? So we're moving houses, and the house that we're leaving was my grandparents.

And we were able to buy it from the estate for cheap, and now we have to sell it. It's not going to be able to stay in the house. And my kids are worried that we're going to lose Grandma's spirit. So I'm wondering, kind of the opposite of it. everybody else trying to move out of a house to not have haunting. We want to take her with us, and I was wondering if you have any ideas of how to bring her with us. Oh, do I ever? Spoiler alert, you will.

Yeah. Because grandma is with you, not in any kind of physical house. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly. Grandma lives in the kids and you, and you're just an extension, all your actions. You know, grandma's part of that recipe. I will say, right up the bat, I mean, like, It came when you were halfway done that,

the first thing that came to my head is to create an altar to your grandma in the new house. And that involves pictures of her, but not just pictures of her, as you remember. If you were lucky enough to have this, pictures of her when she was a child

through every phase of her life. You can even put like a little coffee cup, maybe that was hers, and fill up the coffee every once in a while and say, hey, grandma, this one's for you. I know you like a little cream and there's a little cream,

of those tulips of sugar grandma. I mean, like, but I think creating like a lovely altar with some of the grandma's keepsakes and maybe each kid gets to choose a thing in the altar so it's like a family affair. And this will, I think this will carry over grandma's spirits. I really do.

Eric, jump in here. What do you think about that? Well, I'm getting this. This is just opening. Eric grabbed a book off the bookshelf, and he did not do that often. I was incredibly close with my grandfather.

And like he got us a little like Tiger Woods, maybe. where my grandfather wanted me to do comedy and raised me on the greatest comedy. We would watch Cheers and Larry Sanders. And I miss him so much. But I have so many things around the house to remind me of him. I have one of his rings. And I check in with it. This right here right behind me, this is my grandfather's copy of Milton Burrell's private joke file. Oh my God. Which he wrote December 1989, a gift from my good friend, Eric Edelstein, who is already a very gifted stand-up, sit down, lie down, comic. His sense of humor is superb.

John W. Snyder. And I check in with this book. And I check in with the ring he has. And like, it's just having intention. But I think if you and your new house have stuff of your grandmother and build this Steve Berg altar, you're absolutely celebrating your grandmother and teaching your kids that grandmother's spirit is alive.

It is with you. And intention every day to keep it going, you know? Yes. Yes. Yes. What do you have of your grandmothers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a great question. I'll say my grandfather's taste for sugar, by the way. Yeah. It looks a lot like me.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We go to Wendy's, and he taught me to get the road fries. Oh, yeah. We go get Wendy's act like we're doing the whole house a big favor, and they have order one extra thing of fries and eat those in the car. Yeah. These are root causes, friends.

What do you have of your grandmothers? Not a lot anymore. we've been, I mean, so I actually did start having coffee with her a couple of times a week because I listened to your show. And that's really meaningful. Great. I love we're doing this. Do you remember how she took her coffee? Yes.

Yeah, I make it for her how she likes it. Black or just plain milk. So we're going to invite the kids now to have coffee with Grandma, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I love this. Yeah. So do you have pictures of her?

I do. I have one. Not a lot that are up in prominent spaces, but I could make more. Yeah, I think you print some. I think so. I do. I think, I think framing a couple pictures, and if you can, I think it would be nice to show grandma's life cycle. Like, if you have a picture of her when she was younger, even a kid, and like kind of almost like a chronological timeline of grandma, I think because like, you know, while you probably remember her as older and stuff like that, like grandma was once. Once a kid. Sometimes even kids can't even like conceive that their grandparents were once their age. And I do think showing like the lifespan and life cycle of grandma would be really sweet. Yeah, I like that a lot.

A lot. Did she like a warrior's original or like a butterscotch? I mean, that's grandma territory right there. The hard candy. The hard candy. We got to bring that back. Younger generation, like we've lost something in society because our older folks had hard candy. They did.

doesn't love a worthers. Right. I mean, my grandma would even have like a cup of pudding and I would be like, I'm hungry, you should like pull pudding out of her purse.

Oh, my grandmother made me stuffing on command. This is how we got here. This is, this is why we have big pants. We're food based. It's why we have big pants.

Putting out of a purse and stuffing on command and it seemed normal to us at the time. That's right. Here we sit shopping at the big and tall store. Oh my God. A lot of the recipes

that I cook now were hers or we developed them together even. So I do invite her to cook with me sometimes when we're doing a classic. What was her signature dish that you would say? Our family's from Iowa. So pork tenderloin.

Oh, yeah. Maybe with like a little, maybe like a boiled potato and a carrot. Yeah, like a roast. And then you're making that gravy with a little bit of cornstarch to thicken it up afterwards from the drippings. Yeah. From the, God.

Yes, please. Oh. It's got hot. It got hot in this room also. Hey, honey, turn the A-Z on. Steve, you're sweating. I'm sweating profusely. I got the gravy sweats already.

Oh, so I think. I did not wake up with them. I think a fun Sunday morning would be to gather the kids, make a nice big breakfast, then take a cup, make the altar. Then as a finishing touch of the altar, pour a nice into a really, the best coffee mug you have or one of hers. pour her a cup of coffee and then everyone can say hi to Grandma. And I think even infusing, like teaching the kids

just walk by the altar or like when they're home from school, hey Grandma. Just like, you know, it doesn't have to be a thing we have to stop and like close your eyes and like, you know, meditate on her memory. You can do that sometimes. I think that's great.

But also just treating her as like grandma still lives in the house. We say how to Grandma. Like I do think honoring your ancestors is a twofold thing where maybe if, you know, there is life beyond death. It is honoring them and saying, And I feel like that would feel good if you were in spirit. But also, it's good for you.

It's keeping the memory alive of someone who is very important to your family. I think it's a really nice thing to do. But so how are you feeling about the alter thing? Is it not far enough? Do you want to, do you want some more assurances that grandma is going to travel with you? You know, because we can't give you any guarantees, but we can pitch new ideas. I can give a guarantee. Yeah.

It's happening. I think so, too. Okay. Well, I don't know if my husband will go for it because he, He's not as, as, like, spiritually connected, but I, he might just not have a say in it. I kind of didn't know if there was something we should do at the old place before we left, you know, like on the way out, like, let's go. Yeah, well, I mean, like, like, anyone who can, I mean, the reality is with all this stuff,

there's just not a knowing or an answer. Yeah. It really is what makes you feel connected to your grandma. So it's not a one-size-fits-all. if you would like to invite the spirit of grandma as you're shutting the doors for the last time in your old house grandma we invite you to come with us hop in the car we're going to set up a new home for you you a.k.a. your altar in the new house and it's going to be better than ever you're going to love the view plenty of like cardinals and birds come by we're going to have worth of originals there

and butterscotch is for you grandma because we know you love it always plain milk in that coffee granny but i really do think something like that is a good way for you guys to at least feel And look, I get it. If your husband's not spiritually bent, that's fine. I mean, like, that's not bad. But I think you could impress upon the idea. It's like, hey, hubby, let's call him Joey for now. Joey, I think this is really important to me.

And it's a great way for the kids to stay connected to grandma. And if he says no, then, then you have him give Eric a call. Eric will say it's great. And I was on Joey. Eric was on Joe. That's true. Yeah. Well, I think also, Steve, what do we think about maybe burning a little bit of sage and

Palo Santo in the old place to kind of clear that energy and let us know we're going on to somewhere new. We're also thinking of the people moving in the house. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. We're clearing everything. And yeah, I think an invitation to grandma to join because to a lot of cultures, this is not that wacky. There's a lot of ancestor veneration. There's a lot of elder veneration. I get so much crap from Jake and Gareth about seeing older artists and hanging off older people. Every other culture, this is a normal thing that is good. And now suddenly I'm the crazy one because I'm the Reaper going to see 90-year-old artists. But that's a whole other Oprah.

But yeah, I think burn a little bit of sage, Palo Santo, say some sacred texts, play some maybe some music. Do you know any music offhand of Grandma? Oh, from era, yeah. Oh, I don't know. I've been trying to remember that a lot lately. Yeah. Maybe like the Glenn, my grandfather loved Glenn Miller and those big bands. Yeah, they love a big band.

I think you can find out what Grandma liked, ask a couple questions. play that music at the old house while burning some sage of Palo Santo then as you come into the new house you're going to burn that again you're going to claim the new space is yours because we don't want you calling it in four months saying we got this weird straggler

from the Denver airport, the CIA. So you're going to burn some sage and Palo Santo in your new place. You're going to set up your altar to grandma and then you're also going to play some music she loves and maybe if there's any book she loved, any way to just celebrate her because she's absolutely

moving with you and she's going to live rent-free. So, but like, okay, so it sounds like Meredith. Tell me your course of action. Break it down for me, sister. I'm going to set up the altar in the new place. I'm going to do it all. Yeah. I mean, I need to get a guarantee here.

Not really, but I'm giving you a guarantee. And also, you listen to our incredible episode, John E. L. Tenney, just a hero to all of us about enchanting your life and setting up these altars. because he spends every morning with these altars. Yeah, he does. This is his. And I really think that this is an active choice that you're going to make

and more people should make, you know, do you want to flip on the news and flip on Twitter? Or do you want to enchant your life? Spend some time with your ancestors. Invite your kids into it. You know, you're going to have a blast. Yeah, it will.

I'm giving you a full weird here to help guarantee and that's a money back guarantee. It is. We'll come to Iowa if it doesn't happen. That's true. Even though she's not there. Eric and I will go. We'll cheer on everyone with the rag where I.

We're just going to go get the. Rye stuff. I'll get Eric a vegan, pork-ternloid sandwich, breaded, shallow fried with pickles. Oh, I'm done. Are you kidding?

I'll, I have to go to Dyersville. I've never been. I really want to go to field dreams and play catch with you. Yeah, I love to play catch with you. Oh, buddy,

it'd be so fun. My rotator cup is a little, is a little whacked out, but I still get to you. I got a doctor. Yeah. He's not accredited. Yeah, not accredited.

Shocker. Eric, by the way, gets a colonic where they ask him to self-insert, Meredith. So take any, Take any doctor he recommends With a lump of salt.

You go pay 70 bucks for that. It just means you self-insert. Eric, enjoy the ride. There are things in life you don't want to let a deal on and one being the clonic. Like, look, I got a great deal in this colonic. I had to self-insert,

but that was part of the phone. No, Eric, this is more. We'll talk off air about this. Was it in a van, Eric? The van's an option if she wanted to come here and I'm open to it. She does a mobile service? Like, I'll come to you. You do amazing things and afford a conaline van, Steve.

shockingly reliable. You just got to make sure the shocks have been done in the last couple years. But yeah, you're fine. Okay, okay. Meredith, do you feel good about this? Like, I think we have a real course of action. Obviously, we want to hear what happens.

And I think we're going to hear a very positive report from you that you're making the intention and grandma's coming with you and your kids are going to be so happy to spend a little bit of time with grandma in the morning because you're choosing to do this and choose a part of all this. And I don't think it hurts to put a little sauce around and unwrap a few butterscotches and were those originals just some hard candy maybe a maybe a magazine or two

like a red book yeah the jello salad salad maybe in an old like time magazine from her favorite year I mean like yeah load it up you can't have too much and I think pictures from her life at different ages and maybe if she had like a pearl knuckle she liked to put that on there

really dress it up make it look nice find the right table for it as an altar like you know just don't do it haphazily do some kind of IKEA job here. I think you need to find something from the era that really represents grandma. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel good. Awesome, Meredith. We want to help. We're here to help. But please keep us involved, keep us informed, and let us know how this is all going. And enjoy your new house. How cool. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, maybe you're moving to Cherry Creek. Maybe you're moving to the Highland. Oh, no way. That's for the, that's for the bourgeois. That is for the bourgeois. Yeah. And next time you're in the Denver airport stop at the barrow. Oh, it's an easy move.

That's great. Yeah. Yeah. It's just more space. The kids are older. You know what I love is the slow move. Instead of the one big, I just start moving car loads slowly.

Oh, yeah. And you get like half the work done instead of like, and also let me just say this. This is a public service announcement to every listener out there. I know you're going to be tempted to invite big guys over to help you move and say, hey, we're going to have pizza. pizza. Fuck off. Fuck your beer.

Fuck your pizza. We don't want it. We can buy our own beer and pizza. We don't want to help you move anymore. We're too close to 50. Invite regular size guys to do it. But like the bigger guy, it's a burden we bear. It's a cross we carry with us.

And I'm just saying it, I'm telling everyone out there, we don't want your beer and pizza. We don't want to help you move. It's like owning a truck, right? Yeah. Yes. That's it. Now, if you're a big guy that owns a truck, it's a truck.

over. It's truthfully why I probably would never get one. He's like, oh, he's got a truck. He's a big guy. You know what? We'll get beer and pizza. Your beer and pizza can go straight to the fifth portal of hell. Right, Steve? I mean, yes and no. If it's Maddo... Don't put up the front like you want to help people move. If it's

Modelo and like a square-cut Chicago tavern style, like I'm considering in the move. Steve Berg will come to Denver and help you move. I just gave him a chance there. I gave him a chance there because I'm finally throwing the gauntlet down for every big guy ever. We don't to help you move. I will help friends move. My friend just moved. I was willing to go to Canada to help her move because I love her. I will tell you what. If we remember MySpace, if you're a top

friend where you would have been to go to Canada to help someone move and then you're doing to, I offer you just completely kind of decking yourself. Why? She's one of my best friends in the world. If someone would have been in my top eight on MySpace, I will help you move. If you're not in my top eight, I'll have people I haven't talked to in a year and a half say, hey, we're actually moved. You want to come over. We're getting beat. in pizza. And I'm like, I haven't heard from you in a year and a half. And frankly, you've been casting some Hollywood things. And I haven't gotten a call. Apparently you don't need big guys for that. But you need big guys to help you move. I don't drink. I, grandpa can't eat gluten.

No. That's nothing. Uh, maybe if he got sweet greens. I was just saying, no, if someone is like, oh, I got a dim sum spread and like, and like, in like premium a cabocha, like you be there. Yeah, exactly. If they do that, it's in the adjusting. every single person I'm waiting on that line waiting to hear the beer and pizza. And I'm like, can't do either. Are you kidding? I'm rebuilding my gut biome. Yeah, he is.

He's working hard. He's making big, big strides in it too. Yeah. We'll let you know. We'll let you know. Sorry for that little transgression. Yeah.

I brought my own personal stuff. I should have just checked that baggage at the Denver airport. And obviously, you know, make sure when you go to the Denver airport, you are, you have your head in a swivel because that place has got some evil imagery going on there. What's up with that? Do you briefly? Will you briefly close us out, talking about the Denver airport?

It's so weird. There is a lot of urban legends about it. It's an underground base for nefarious activities. Also, it's got a giant horse with red demonized. And the man who designed the horse when he's putting the finishing touches, the horse fell on him and killed him. No!

What? Yeah. Yeah. That's true. You're kidding. No, no, no. Bath men. You have bath men in the back on your wall, you psycho.

I have a Catholic ram. No, that's not true. Meredith, thank you so much for a wonderful call. Build the altar, send pictures. Yeah, yeah, and she's lovely and she's asking for a warder's original. Yeah, okay, thank you. Yeah, yeah, but they like them too. Give them to them.

So good luck with this altar. Good luck with the move. Don't ask big guys to help you. And please, we would love a picture of this lovely altar. And I would really love a picture. Good luck with everything. We'll talk to you soon, sister. Bye, friend.

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