Wonderful! - Ep. 57: The Volleyball Uprising

Episode Date: February 7, 2017

We don't know where to even begin talking about this episode. It was seriously the most bizarre two hours of programming this franchise has ever put together, complete with inscrutable plot twists and 180-degree tonal shifts that changed the course of the season with virtually no explanation. It's a wild, wild ride, and we're gonna guide you through it. MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

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It's like a dog came and bit the episode right by the binding and shook it violently so that every third page flew away bart's nightmare style i've never fucking quite experienced i've been watching my new like um jam i we've watched so much tv since we've had henry it's kind of criminal um and my new jam when i like i have to get up at 3 a.m and like chill out with him for an hour until he falls back asleep is twin peaks another bizarrely enough i made this point to you i can't believe this was an abc product um it is the only there's a lot of

comparisons i felt like watching this episode of the bachelor and twin peaks in that like why is anybody here doing anything because i feel like every other scene has been deleted for some reason. I made a more historical joke. Please. As we were watching, I thought, seems like there's a lot of missing footage here. It reminds me of the Watergate tapes. Of the Watergate. Everybody remembers the Watergate tapes.

And then I had to have Griffin. Googled it. Yeah, because I didn't quite remember the Watergate tapes. And then I had to have Griffin Google that. Yeah, because I didn't quite remember the Watergate tapes. I remember that they were there's they're definitely there's something weird going on there. I think we can all agree Watergate. Nobody's quite sure exactly

what happened in the room. And I feel like a lot of people passed. I wasn't alive then, obviously. And old tricky slick dick. I wasn't either, by the way. No, I know. I was I didn't mean to make it sound like you did, but I'm saying slick dick. A lot of people jumped down his throat like mr frost the british

television man from the movie and it's like give him a chance okay this episode of the bachelor had so many twisties and turns and also dates that lasted in between the span of a commercial break like from one commercial break to the next i i can't believe the things that happened it was them it was it was the most oddly produced episode two hours of television i've ever fucking seen and it was my life i was telling griffin it wasn't like there was a lot of like chaff here it wasn't like there was stuff that i was like oh you know what you should have done you should have taken that out and then there would have been more room there was no dearth of good footage to be used and there there were a lot of uncomfy scenes that happened and a big thing i saw in a y'all i was all up

in the facebook live threads uh this week actually to a fault because i had to go back and re-watch a scene because i was too busy paying attention to everybody's good goofs i wasn't watching the show sorry i'll get better um but everybody's saying like oh man this person's getting a weird edit this person's getting a bad edit this is a bad edit this is a weird edit i don't think i have i don't think most of those were true i think most of this was like they had some pretty buck wild footage yeah that they had to use. I don't, there was definitely enough stuff here. It was just like, things would happen that just weren't fucking shown. And there were these enormous tonal shifts that just came out of the fucking blue that, like, changed the whole course of the season.

To wit, we lost half our women this week. Where'd they go? Where'd half our women go? There were 12 of them. Now there's six of them. I don't know, man. You want to get into it? I'm ready to get the fuck into it.

Because I just put our baby to sleep. And I made a face at you when I walked out of the bedroom after I put him to sleep. Like, no. This one ain't going to take. So I think let's get while the getting's good. So I said that there wasn't a lot they could have cut out, but there definitely was. Scratch that, yeah, the first 10 minutes.

Yeah, so it started with our cliffhanger from last week of Corinne and Taylor on their two-on-one. Taylor's just been eliminated, but she's back to tell Nick some real truths about Corinne. A lot of people said we were too hard on taylor last week which like i get like compared to corn fine like every like yes there was some there's some gross stuff happening last week definitely and i will we we i think we mentioned as much in the last episode but like well and i definitely felt bad for her the beginning of this

yes and that's what i wanted to get to is like i don't think taylor's a bad person i just think like this is once again another person who is put into these like completely arbitrary archetypes that the producers of this show feel like must fucking exist uh in order to put this show together and so she was brought in as the fucking dragon slayer yeah they show her like terminator style like walking up towards the day this, yes, it was weird that she was cast as the foil to corn. Who's a very good villain. And, and, and Taylor didn't really have like the,

I don't know. She didn't, she didn't really know how to like pull off this performance as the, as the person who would take down corn, especially not at the beginning of this episode where she was supposed to like march into the room and like make these demands. This whole scene just fucking flopped, man.

And Griffin made the point. And it's true. Like this whole, uh, dynamic is so produced that when they come to take Taylor suitcase from the hotel room, indicating that she has been eliminated, the rest of the women are like,

yeah, it seems about right. Yeah. There was, yeah. The women didn't seem to, here, here's the thing. has been eliminated the rest of the women are like yeah it seems about right yeah there was yeah the women didn't seem to here's the thing and this is that this is exactly the kind of shit i'm talking about i have no fucking clue how the women feet in the house feel about corn right now which is crazy like she's the she's the villain i don't know how fucking people feel in the bloopers for this week uh it was jasmine making all the women uh eat super dark chocolate and getting their like yucky face reactions to it and corn was one of the women

and like everybody was like laughing and like having a good time with corn and like just palling around and joking around it was like if she was really the villain i don't think she would be persona non grata in the house i also have no idea how the women feel about taylor outside of a few of these little one-on-one interviews i don't know how i don't know what the fucking the status is with these women in the house and and and so like when it cuts to the women like saying like oh yeah i guess i'm not surprised taylor's going home really you're not you're not surprised that he's keeping corn in the house that was your whole through line last week like if he doesn't if he keeps corn i'm through with him but now that that's not even going on anymore there's like

entire fucking story beats that are just like popping up out of nowhere and disappearing and like it feels weird to talk about the bachelor like this but it's kind of hard to follow a little bit yeah that's a good point um so taylor shows up and and says you know i think corinne made me really come across as a as a bully and i'm not a bully and you know i'm not the only one that has issues with her you'll remember that vanessa said you know that she would leave if you were really going to continue with corinne and nick's like hey i don't think you're a bully. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. He said, I don't respect bullies, but I respect you. Anyway, you need to leave now.

Yeah, and then he goes back to Corinne and says, yeah, you know, I heard what she had to say, and it was hard, but, you know, I let her know that nothing that you said to me impacted my decision to send her home. Just nothing. Like, seriously, nothing happened. Like, nothing happened. Yeah. The fact that they turned this into a fucking cliffhanger, it's ridiculous.

Yeah. And so that was kind of a waste of time at the beginning of the episode. And then we get a reminder that we are still plugging Beauty and the Beast this week on The Bachelor. And so it's time for what we think is going to be the cocktail party. And all the women getting this little, what I labeled a horse trolley. I don't know if that's what it's called. But it looks kind of like a trolley powered by horses. Powered by horses.

They push it up at a big mansion. Was it a surrey with the fringe on top? You know that song from oklahoma i do maybe that's what it was it probably wasn't that i don't think they're making a dope ass oklahoma reference to me like a trolley with horses okay uh and so we get a bunch of footage of all the women talking about how important this cocktail party is for them how they really need to get time to talk with nick and then we get the ominous some fucking like pants suit yeah the footage of just walking very fast and shoes i was like oh here comes chris to cancel the the cocktail party and you're like how do you know it's not

nick and i said i made the great point of um nick doesn't walk that fast it's true what really watch sometimes when nick has to walk from point A to point B. He makes some choices with his gait. And so there's no party. Nick knows what he wants to do. We go straight to the ceremony. At the ceremony. We've never really talked about this before.

If I was on this show, even if I was in fucking first place, I knew I was a frontrunner. If dude canceled the cocktail party, I'd be fucking pissed off at him that's him literally saying like i don't want to spend time with you women i'm dating well a lot of women leave having never spent any one-on-one time with him of significance and so when he cancels these things it's like you're sending me home because you don't feel anything with me but you never gave me a chance and it's three here's the thing. I'm okay with him doing it if, like, one of the women was, like, super shitty or something that week. And he's like, she's offended me to the point where I can't keep her here.

I'm canceling the cocktail party because, of course, it's her. The women he sends home this episode, like, give them a fucking cocktail party to, like, rap with you, dude. And see if they can, like like mention anything about themselves and find purchase in your heart in your fertile heart no he's just like i don't i don't wanna i don't wanna i don't wanna hang out with these women i'm dating yeah like maybe if he had kept say josephine at the cocktail party she could have been like hey you know what i really like i really like bracelets on a man and he'd be like i like to like bracelets on a man. And he would be like, I like to wear bracelets. You know, I like Livestrong bracelets still. And he would be like, I also, yes, look at me.

But not only that, if you're fucking Vanessa, and it's like, oh, well, I guess we're not hanging out tonight, bud. Yeah. It's a shit move. Like, I've never really thought about it that way, but, like, watching it this episode, I just couldn't help't help but think like it's kind of a shit move yeah i mean the only time it feels good is if you already have a rose because you're like oh thanks i don't have to stand around for like four hours before this rose ceremony it gets better and or i don't have to stand around and

get to hang out with the dude that i'm in a dating contest like yeah but you know how long these cocktail parties like they go on. I know. Like, that's the reason these women are going home at, like, you know, 4 a.m. Actual physical, emotional, mental exhaustion played more of a hand in this episode than any other episode of this show I had seen before. I have a lot of theories about that that I want to get to. Me too, yes, absolutely. So who goes home?

So we got some real heartbreakers. This is fucking critical. Josephine, as I mentioned, no big surprise, but Alexis... Yes, Josephine, still a bummer. We gave her a hard time, but I think she has some... I don't know anything about Josephine. She had some really fucking entertaining bits. What was her thing?

During the history of breakup, she did the fucking hot dog. She pulled a hot dog out of a book and ate it with him. That was her limo exit. Josephine had some funny stuff. But yes, the bigger losses we had were... Yeah, Alexis and Jamie. Fucking Alexis. Jamie, thank you for listening to the show.

You were terrific. And I think you got a weird edit. I think we needed more Jamie time because your stuff on the farm date was really, really good. But Alexis was consistently the fucking funniest person on the show, but relegated to the post-credits blooper stuff and heartbreaking. Just heartbreaking. What a waste of a really good contestant.

Alexis and Jamie were two of the most interesting women on the show, and now they're gone. Now they're gone. Josephine, too. I think arguably the three most think arguably like the three like most interesting people like funniest people on the show boop gone well raven's still there raven's still there rachel's still there i mean there's still some there's still some they're good women brandt but i i just i i here's what i also think is they may as well just like fucking

stepped out of the house jumped into an open manhole, and fell through a portal into fucking Bachelor in Paradise. Where all three of them are going to be fucking superstars. Alexis, like with Daniel, are you fucking kidding me? Alexis slash Daniel? Yes. That is what I need in my life right now.

Please, please, please, Bachelor. I need this. So the remaining women are going to saint thomas for some fun in the sun i feel like i said a bunch of different city names tonight yeah you said saint charles earlier which i appreciated being from missouri because that is actually that's one of them in it in missouri saint bernard that's a doggy that's not a that's not a city name. Had a lot of Le Fin du Monde tonight. Drank a whole bottle. I didn't even realize it. Oh, did you really? Yeah, I just poured this in a glass

and I was like, oops, it's all gone. Oops, all berries. So, Nick tells us when we get to St. Thomas that he loves island living and he is wearing a sleeveless tee and we get a real good camera angle of his hairy knee in the helicopter.

Holy shit, this angle. I posted a picture of it in the Facebook group because Griffin loves that angle. I get it. It's a helicopter. You can't get the, your fucking DP may not have been in the cockpit with you,

but like you have to know when most of the screen is taken up by a big, big, big hairy knee, it's not good and it's not right. You ask the man to please put your knee down so we can get this shot, please. The knee was bigger than him because of forced perspective. It was just a lot of knee. It was just a lot of a man's big hairy knee.

So again, we have Nick arriving in the plane. Actually, it wasn't a helicopter. It was a seaplane. Oh, fun. I apologize. Gross factual air from us Rose Buddies. We have to issue a contraction. He shows up.

All the women run to greet him. Contraction's not the word, is it? It's a retraction. Contraction's what you have when you're in labor. Or if you want to save some time with two words. You squish them together. Who invented that? Who even invented that?

The language is just so funny. Joseph Contraction. Oh. Wow, you knew it. He did the part of speech and then also the labor stuff. The labor stuff. Yeah. He's a busy guy.

All the women greet him at the plane. He then hugs each one, which I just like, I always note that because it just seems like such a headache to me. I love this ongoing current. Like, you really do only have a set number of, you have a fucking like punch card, like a Yogurtland punch card of hugs and every time somebody gives you one. Okay, let's say I'm standing on the dock waiting in line to get Nick's ninth hug. Yeah.

Like, that doesn't feel like anything to me. That's why you gotta fucking make it special. Gotta get in there for number one? Well, no. I mean, you can get in there for number nine, but maybe you go in and you give him just a little kiss right there on the cheek and you give him a small slow circle on the back i don't know it's because you don't like hugging anybody you don't know all the fucking tips and tricks i don't like being somebody's ninth hug that's what i'm saying well it's ninth

is good you can be you can if you're coming right there at the tail end you can give him something to remember that point you can smell like eight other women on him. You don't worry about that. You got to make it special for him. You squeeze a ball. Just one? You squeeze one ball. Which one?

You'll know which one in the moment. Okay. Depends on which side of his chubbies he dresses to. A lot of chubbies in this episode. I had to teach you what chubbies were. Griffin said that, and I thought it was another one of his colloquialisms. I didn't realize it was an actual brand of shorts. No, I'm folksy as fuck.

It is a shorts brand, though. And it's a lot of look, and everybody I know owns chubbies. Johnny has a lot of chubbies, I feel like. No, that is true. He pulls it off. I'm not saying it's a bad look. I'm saying the particular ones that Nick wore during the two-on-one date were not a good luck but whatever we'll get to that uh so he announces after he has hugged all the women that

christina will be getting the one-on-one this week and christina i was so disappointed in so many people in the facebook group because at that when he announced that everybody's like where's christ who's christina who's this christina I admit, I didn't remember her. How could you not remember her? I don't know. She's the adopted Russian woman, and she stood up to Korn and was really mature and badass about it. Yeah, I guess that's true. She just, like... She's had a lot of really good conversations.

She's becoming a frontrunner. She's doing really, really well. Well, yeah, I mean, that's true. She just, like, she's not one of the biggest story arcs of the season. I think, I would argue she is, but okay. Well, obviously this episode for sure. Yeah. But in previous episodes, we didn't even see her.

That is fair. I mean, we didn't see anybody previous episodes except for Vanessa and Korn. So she gets the one-on-one. Jasmine starts to get upset because she hasn't had a one-on-one yet um neither has whitney at this point uh and so there's starting to be some angst developing um but on the date with nick we hear more about christina that i had forgotten or maybe never knew uh christina has eight siblings uh her parents had four of their own and adopted four and then she has a sister still in russia where she's from and then we hear this this story y'all story

this was this was it was it got really very very very real and also it came after fucking some shenanigans with corn getting there was a woman working at the place that they were staying at in saint saint charles um this woman named lorna lorna and they did a whole like she's a replacement for raquel lorna seemed like a very sweet woman uh who was who was clearly like a prop and very patient but yes obviously like set up to get this this these few shots of corinne ordering her around yeah and it jumps from that to christina telling this like genuinely fucking heartbreaking story so she she grew up in russia and had a had a mother that didn't really have the means to care for her. And she would have just days where she didn't eat.

And she tells this really disturbing story about eating lipstick because she didn't have any food. And she was only five or six at the time when she ran away and lived in an orphanage for the next seven to eight years before being adopted when she was 12. And when she was adopted, the woman who ran the orphanage was like, it's either this or you move to a bigger city. And she said, things can either be black and white or you can leave Russia and your sister and your family and you can live a life with color and it's like it's a man this story like

i i it's so easy to get really crass when talking about this show and like we've talked god knows we've talked about this like when people have like sad sad stories how they leverage them for points essentially with the there was not a fucking fraction of my brain that was like how they leverage them for points, essentially. There was not a fucking fraction of my brain that was like, ooh, Christina really can't, like, the most fucking heartbreaking story I've... No, this was haunting. This was really haunting, because the way she told the story, she wasn't even especially... I mean, she was obviously a little emotional about it.

Yeah, she started crying there at the end, but she was so fucking like yeah the strength that must have taken a like just get through the thing rachel and i kept saying to each other like back and forth is like how the fuck is she on this show like no this show gets real from time to time but this was like another this was like another strata um and it was like i don't know i i feel like everybody is completely in love with christina after this because she's also really very great and very um very very genuine yeah they um a lot of people also gave nick some shit and i feel like maybe that was a little bit unfair because she told him the story and he was like well i feel like you give my life color. So anyway,

here's a rose. And it's like, I don't know what you expect from him. First of all, like that's sort of, how do you react? That's this whole thing. But the other thing is like,

yeah, how do you react to that? Like if somebody, imagine you being in that position and like, how the fuck do you react to a story like that? Except to say like, I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, but I'm so glad you're here. Like, yeah. I mean, I was just, like, I'm so sorry you had to go through all that, but I'm so glad you're here.

Yeah. I mean, I was just thinking, like, so many of the women on this show, you know, have a more, like, kind of traditional bachelor contestant experience. And I was telling Griffin, like, anytime the women complain about, like, the champagne being too warm. Christina must just be like. Cool. Great. Yeah. Like the, the privilege.

The producers knew what the fuck they were doing. Putting the scene. Yeah. Immediately after corn's like saying that her, her new, uh, her Raquel, her,

her nanny from home is going to be jealous of her new nanny. Like, that's like how any of this works followed by christina giving this like this heartbreaking account of her childhood like the bachelor the the the producers knew what they were doing yeah um but yeah man so sad uh so she gets the rose and they have like a nice moment kind of dancing with like a steel drum band. Steel drum cover of Ave Maria. Is that what that was?

Yes. Okay. I mean, I love the steel drum. It's a beautiful instrument. It's a versatile instrument. You get a bunch of them together and like now that's what I call music volume 16. It's always island time though. But it's all, it's kind of, it has to be Island Time a little bit. Yeah, like, there can't be another song or another type of music that would include steel

drum that wouldn't automatically sound like Island Time. Well, I'm all for experimentation, whatever the fuck. I'm sure, like, Broken Social Scene probably had a couple steel drum players in, is what I'm saying. What I am not saying is that we can get pretty buck wild with the ave maria in the all steel drum cover although i say that and it was it was pretty lovely it didn't seem like the easiest song to dance to ave maria in general is not really a fucking club banger especially when performed by a hundred steel drums but yeah i don't know that there were a hundred there were

200 steel drums you might be overstating no there are 300 steel drums. You might be overstating a little bit. No, there were 300 steel drums. Keep fucking stepping. There were 400 steel drums. So now it's time for group date. Alright. Group date. This group date is amazing. It is the big story. I will never forget this group date. I will never forget this episode for this group date. The group date is Rachel Raven, Vanessa, Corinne, Danielle M, and Jasmine. Which means that there's another two-on-one

this week. The two-on-one is with... I can't remember! I can't even remember their names! Danielle L. Danielle and Whitney. Okay. Oh my god. It's like, really, guys?

A fucking showdown between, um. But don't worry. Cause that two on one date is all of like three minutes long. They know you don't care. They're just powering through. Then why do a two on one? Why not do a one on one? To knock them out.

Just send more of them home at the rose ceremony. Like you you're going to make me not give a fuck about two-on-ones, which used to be like your big arrow in the quiver for, like, guaranteed drama. And this two-on-one, guys, was a fucking joke. It literally lasted from one commercial break to the next commercial break. There were fucking cocktail parties that last three times that long. And this two-on-one date was like a blink and you miss it you know i didn't even think about packaging that into the rose ceremony but you're right that would have been a good efficiency like don't do a two-on-one don't

do two-on-one you are devaluing what the fucking two-on-one is by making it this like this this this super super super short affair with two people that like we don't care if they're fighting i made all this i talked about this yay last week about if you're fighting then you know a two-on-one is coming these two women weren't fighting and nobody knew who the hell they were and they were actually the official bachelor instagram account posted a picture of whitney and it was like fun fact there is a woman named whitney on this show so they fucking know like they know that these these women and again i don't want to be mean to the women it's like it's hard to compete with with corn for screen time it's just like you can't not show us these women for three four weeks and then be like and now a fight to the a fight to the death who get between who

daniel even had a one-on-one like one of the first one-on-ones and like we couldn't remember that shit well i want to talk about that a little bit later first i want to talk about the group date the group date the uprising the group date so the fucking revolt the revolution he meets the group of women and he hugs all of them i'm sorry i love you i'm sorry i keep bringing this up it's just you know there's what six women on the state so if you're the sixth woman that gets a hug like you've got five other women stink on you i did not know this bothered you so much oh i'm just saying after you do a live show and you hug all those fans just rotten with it it's just it's just a lot of a lot of ck1 pu stink lines coming off me

um so they are gonna go on a catamaran uh which is the boat is called the cat the cat um and so explain this to me griffin i missed this i wrote down the quote but i don't know how it came up they're all sitting around together uh on this boat and it comes up there's this they're saying like chocolate vanilla and then nick says someone likes their sweets what were they talking about? They were just doing, like, pick your favorites. And so it was, like, Halloween or Christmas. Oh. Which, if you pick Halloween, get real. Like, Christmas has better movies and snacks.

But what were they saying? They were just, like, Halloween or Christmas. I know. Vanilla or chocolate. And everybody said their favorite thing. And Nick just said out of nowhere, it sounds like somebody likes their sweets. And it's like, I don't know who he was responding to.

Are you talking about everybody? You can't ask a question between which of these two sweet flavors, which do you prefer? And then when everybody answers you, say somebody likes their sweets. You ask them a question about which sweets they prefer. This adds to my theory that Nick is like a mom. Like a 47-year-old mom. Secretly. Just like a skin suit

or something? Yeah. Somebody likes their sweets. What are you talking about? Do you like, um, hmm, do you like, would you say like Sour Patch Kids or do you, like, hypothetical question and you have to answer me. Are you asking me? Yes. Would you rather have Sour Patch Kids or would you rather have Mike and ike's sour patch kids somebody likes their sweets

i can't ask you a fucking question and then when you answer it i'd be like somebody's got a real sweet tooth in their fucking mouth you asked me which sweet you like calm down you're so fired up just this le fin du mal i know i'm riding on it right on that good french wave french belgium what is it you got the european passion that european flavor that heat french kiss the movie so this is this is supposed to be a fun beach party um they're all wearing their swimsuits they play a little cornhole or bagos depending on where you're from um nick does his impression of a drunk baby dinosaur this was very good which was fun to see this is the best thing nicholas will do the whole year yeah i really i want to see an animation

of that um and they're doing also stands props to the manufacturer of this cornhole set because during his impression he jumps up on the cornhole set and it does not buckle that's good now that's a good cornhole board i appreciate a fucking thick sturdy cornhole board um and then they they're taking shots and he says let's play three on three volleyball which means that it'll be three on three women and he'll stand by and watch them play. And this is when things start to fall apart. Now, I have some theories about this. Yeah.

The game gets kind of more and more hostile. And all of a sudden, it seems like the majority of the women are absolutely miserable. It's like, guys, I'm telling you, I've watched this show a lot now. I have never seen a fucking revolt like this where it was like a switch has been flipped and they were like, bump, set, hey, wait a minute, fuck all this. Yeah, Jasmine, Rachel,essa and danielle all basically start crying separately corn walks away to like get a shot and she comes back and like tries to jump up on him and he's like haha and they have like awkward banter or whatever maybe that's what it said what set it off but i i i don't think that's it I will tell you what set it off. Please. And this is like, this is probably not even funny. It is just so realistic to me.

Okay, they get on that catamaran, haven't eaten. Yeah. Get to the beach, don't eat. Probably drinking on the catamaran. Yeah. Drinking on the cat. Drinking... Sipping on that kitty.

Drinking shots in the sun. I don't think you drink a shot. I think you take a shot i'm just saying it's a what are you doing over there this is how you want to be drinking a shot this is how you want to be right now delicious you want to be like this i'm gonna savor this uh all i'm saying alcohol son no food no fucking sandwiches and they are being forced to play volleyball for who knows how long and they're not talking to nick not a single person has had a solo conversation with nick yeah on this what is probably at this point

like four hour date i think yes i think that is definitely what fucking activated it but it was a it was a catalyst to a bigger compound which is all of them just being i i think just a little bit fucking tired of being on the show a lot of people in the facebook group were talking about like it's almost like they all realize they're in like this prolonged love competition that is inherently by the numbers a little bit demeaning and then you add to it this like kind of shitty gauntlet of a date this decathlon of drinking and it just like set everybody off and like we'll talk about the rest of the episode it does not recover from this well and here's another thing that i just thought of usually when on a group date people have to compete

there is the promise of more time not that it wasn't that no no i what i'm saying is that that was part of the problem these women were forced to play volleyball to like no reward like it wasn't like the three women that won volleyball got to spend more time with nick like so vanessa was like they were just forced to play and i was like i'm tired of playing volleyball for nick's attention which is like yeah that's exactly what is yeah what's going on jasmine was like why the fuck haven't i gotten a one-on-one like everybody poor raven was like standing there with the volleyball like are we gonna fucking finish this we're up 11-2 you guys this is my first time serving i finally get a chance to serve i'm not like this date went from fun fun in the sun drunk baby dinosaur to 45 seconds later

a full-blown fucking strike yeah these women who are like fuck this date fuck you and this show we are done and that funk hangs over the rest of the episode nick Nick acted like, so at the second half of the date, when it's evening time, Nick actually steals Rachel away first, and he actually uses the language, can I steal you away, which I thought was kind of a fun reversal. And he kind of indicates to Rachel, like, group dates are shitty, they're supposed to be shitty, and I remember the anxiety and panic attacks

I had right around this time when I was on the show, suggesting that, like, this time of the show is notoriously awful. And he's not wrong from a viewer's perspective, yes. Rachel makes the point of, like, I don't like doing this, and I was honestly thinking about leaving. I do not want to be here right now and he says that

is the kind of stuff that's giving me anxiety right now is you wanting to leave yeah the show right now like the candor of rachel saying i don't want to be here on this date with you right now i would rather go home was like in like wild to me yeah these women are so fucking over it and it happened in an afternoon yeah i which made it feel like we were missing a lot of maybe not a footage like it made me feel like something fucking huge happened um half the cast went home this week maybe the women got clued in six women are going there's of you, six of you are going home in this episode. Yeah, that's possible. Maybe that fucking got out to them and they were like, well, shit.

Why have we been out of here playing volleyball for 12 hours? Yeah. Beach volleyball, too, which is, like, so exhausting. Like, how are you supposed to get traction in the sand? Oh, and hard on the knees. There's one surface on which it's okay to play volleyball, and it's like a soft lawn. If you're on the fucking gym. Or in a pool. That's fun. on the fucking gym. Or in a pool.

That's fun. Oh, God. To play in a pool. No, because then your fucking cousin Toby splashes water in your eyes, and you have chlorine in there. And it's like, I can't play anymore. I've got chlorine in my eyes, Toby. Oh, Toby. He's a fucking dick.

And a cheater. That's why I don't invite him to the barbecues anymore. fucking dick and a cheater so i don't invite him in the barbecues anymore um you know if toby i hope you're not listening to this but if you do go fall in a well well he'd probably be good because he maneuvers so well in the water yeah he's fucking like a she's like a the beautiful porpoise in there uh i can't think of dolphins anymore. It makes me too sad. I know.

Hey, Griffin. Yeah? Can I steal you away? Yeah, I guess so. Junk, junk, junk, junk, junk, junk, junk, junk. It sounded more like a horse than a... It got throaty. ...than a Tim.

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with no sound um and jasmine kind of slowly starts to melt down on this date i felt so jasmine was the one who like people in the group were saying she's getting a really bad at it and it's like i'm sorry y'all no like she she was having a very very bad night and well here's what i didn't like yeah so what they did is they showed her kind of um complaining to the other women saying you know that she hadn't had the one-on-one that she wasn't getting the time with him and and what i didn't like yeah was they kept shooting the women sitting there silently looking bored and uncomfortable while she went on and yeah that was that was right that i didn't like because i'm sure they were sympathetic because here's they're they're all going through apparently a big crisis right now

um and jasmine is the only one there that is going through it and also hasn't gone on a date like jasmine knows that she is of these six women at the bottom of the pack yeah she's got nothing to hold on to and so for her to like go through this like fucking exhausting both physically and emotionally exhausting ordeal and not have the confidence of we went on a one-on-one and it went really well like i can totally totally understand why she would be super super super upset but like that that being said like things get weird things got things got things got bad and the things got bad because she, and again, everybody's probably very tired and probably hadn't been eating a whole lot. And like, I get all that, but like, she said some stuff.

And I. Yeah. So she finally gets time with Nick. Nick is kind of pulling each woman away and she finally gets pulled away. And so she decides she's going to tell him that she feels overlooked. She cries a little bit she's she's and she says you know that she really like sees a future with him and really cares about him she seems kind of i i want to be careful with my word choice here um but but she seemed like kind of like panicked almost like she she was talking so fast and so much and it was obvious

that she was like very nervous nervous isn't even the right word she had been thinking about this conversation all day and now it was here and she was just running through it a fucking mile a minute and it got away from her and she also i mean most of the women know at this point that Nick seems to be interested in a woman that speaks her mind. And so she wants to be really candid with him and express her frustration. And she starts talking about how she just wants to choke him. And actually puts her hands on his neck a few times. actually puts her hands on his neck a few times and then starts talking about how choking can also be a sexual thing uh and then nick is kind of like she calls it the chokie which is like and nick's like oh there's a name for it now i mean roll doll came up with it like that is

definitely what the trunchbull called the the the little chamber that she had in her room that she used. Yeah, but that's not what Jasmine's talking about. No, she's talking about sexual jerking. Yeah. And then it's like she kind of doubles down on it. She quintuples it. She puts her hands on his throat so many times. Yeah.

And it's like... And he just looks so uncomfortable. Like, if she had the presence of mind to really take in his his reaction she would have backed he's literally saying stuff like oh i'm zero percent interested like oh i don't want that at all i don't want that even a little bit and and and she keeps just saying she just keeps going for it she just keeps going for it and going for it and going for it and there's a really rough it this is rough for jasmine this is bad this is a bad blame or whatever producer intervention whatever aside like this is this is very very bad for jasmine but there is there is some levity in the smash cut of her choking him and talking about sexual choking and him looking very very

uncomfortable to an immediate smash cut to him giving it a behind the scenes interview going my conversation with jasmine didn't go so well yeah yeah it kind of didn't go so well at all even a little bit it kind of actually went very shitty at some point she says that you know she can see a future with him and he kind of pulls it back at when she finally stops choking him. He says, you know, I you're talking about this future. I don't really feel the future that you're describing. Can I walk you out? And then she goes home and and she immediately like cools cools off like it's it's like a she immediately once she knows she's going home it's like it almost seemed like a weight had been lifted off of her shoulders and she was she was again very calm cool and collected and just like oh okay well i understand um so the group date apparently is over and Raven has gotten a rose. They don't show it.

Which Rachel says after the date is over. So we don't actually even see Raven get the rose. We just get the after commentary from Rachel. So now it's time for the two on one, which blink and you'll miss it. Seriously, fucking commercial break. There's fucking a james taylor doing his heb ad congratulations well done james taylor we're all very very happy for you james taylor from jojo's season of the bachelorette was on a local local i guess texas wide heb ad

is he he's just a texas thing right they don't have that yeah i think it's just texas um happy to see him he was there for like four seconds it was done during the super bowl well done uh and then it is off to the fucking races yeah they go so it's whitney and danielle and they're in a helicopter and they're going to some island what was this where did they go what the fuck were they doing there's no say all i know is that nick was wearing his fucking chubbies. It reminded me of Ashley, I, and Kelsey. In that it was like, we went to a location, my goal is

to eliminate one of you. They set that shit up so hard. They set up this rivalry so much. No, I'm just saying the content of the date was such that there was no activity. We're going to go to a... We're going to take you to a place and one of you has to stay a deserted place and one day but it was it was we're gonna take you to a place and then immediately he was taking them away for one on

one time and then immediately he had made his decision and immediately he went to talk to the other woman to send her home and immediately they left the same thing with jojo remember when she brought those two men to the rocks yes but but i yes the destination was the same sure the fucking content of the date yeah there has never been a date this fucking concise and compact before because the producers knew they didn't the producers knew nobody gave a fuck about any of this is when and i don't think we were the only ones, because it seemed like they were trying to remind us, I had forgotten that Danielle had a date with Nick already, and it was almost like they were trying to

remind us, because at some point, so, he decides to send Whitney home, and so Whitney goes, and then he gets more time with Danielle. He does this after having, like, a really uncomfy conversation with Whitney, where he's, like, squeezing her legs a whole lot and talking about how beautiful she is. Yeah.

And then he comes back, like, three minutes later and sends her home. And we get the, guys, like, seriously, set up of the date, travel to the date, no conversation with the the two of them just immediately one-on-one conversations makes his decision sends whitney home hops in a helicopter uh we see the bags getting uh taken out whitney's bags getting taken out the women's reactions to the bag this happens in a five minute span yeah basically yeah flying through it as if this fucking episode of the bachelor had a 905 reservation at Buca di Beppo. Like, it was fucking soaring through this date.

Oh, and I wanted to say something in case you all were confused. Not all of you watch BIP. Nick appears to be wearing some kind of necklace, and I bet everybody thought, like, oh, that's a terrible necklace. It's actually a microphone. When they're shirtless, they make him wear this little cord thing so he can have a microphone. Then it's actually a microphone when they're shirtless yeah they make him wear this

little cord thing so he can have a microphone then it's time for nick and danielle to have more time together and this is when they're like trying to remind us about their date because we've all forgotten oh we also need to talk about how when we get the reactions from the other women they say like oh man i can't imagine whitney or dilo going home house would be so different without him will it dilo you guys are friends because we haven't seen fucking any of it you guys hang out that's crazy because we haven't seen fucking any of that bachelor so danielle starts referencing their date they talk about like oh yeah you know how it was in your hometown and we danced so much and dancing's like kind of our thing. And I'm like desperately trying to remember what they're talking about.

I'm like, dancing? What? What was this date? And I couldn't, I still, I'm not exactly sure. You thought it was the Backstreet Boys date, which was, I'm pretty sure no. When else were they dancing? You know, they bring out some fucking shitty musical act and then they dance and then they're in love. Hey, everyone, it's tomorrow. Just want to let you know, they bring out some fucking shitty musical act, and then they dance, and then they're in love.

Hey, everyone, it's tomorrow. Just want to let you know. Or today. Or is it today? Henry had a conniption, so we had to handle it. And then we woke up this morning, and we said, let's talk about D-Lo. So let's talk about D-Lo, because I couldn't sleep last night thinking about how just intense and high stakes this date was who did she dance with why did she dance with what were we even fucking talking about i miss having lafine duan coursing through my body

yeah giving me giving me giving me power you were you were so hyphy. I just needed something for last night's episode. I needed a booster pack. So Danielle and Nick are sitting at a table, and they're talking about their dancing together. Well, she's talking. He's doing a lot. This motherfucker, like, you know how when you spend a little too long at the beach and you get sunburned, and, like, that's your whole life whenever you're sunburned,

and all you want to do is just kind of look pensively at the ground yes that's like all this dude was doing and i felt so bad for dilo because she knew she had to put on a top-notch stellar performance during this day he asked her this question is like what's important for you and a mate like at this point you can tell he's just trying to set up like how can i break up with this woman give me something to work from and so she's like well you know trust and and love and she's like why what would you say and he's like well adventurous adventurousness raw just raw adventure i want an uncooked woman who wants to go hang gliding and then and then she says that she's falling in love with him and rachel and i both skeletons jumped out the top of our heads high fives in the air broke apart like because i felt like it was obvious like 15 minutes ago that this woman is

about to be dumped on television and once i have that realization in my in my gut flora like i just fucking cannot enjoy what anything that happens next yeah because everything they do i see like there's a part she says that and immediately i'm like oh this is gonna go bad and um he like reaches out his hand and like takes takes her her hand like fingers entwined and i'm like oh why are you doing that dog because you're about to send her on home and she's like i know my hands i know my hands and i don't know is her hands shaking that's no good the actual delivery i think would you do the delivery of telling me that um you're falling in love with me and i'll do Nick's reaction?

And we'll just do, just like tell me, audience at home, how you think it went. Nick, I just, I'm realizing more and more that I'm falling in love with you. If you get a fucking captioned sigh in response to your fucking declaration of love it stinks and it's bad and it's not gonna it's not gonna pop off for you i'm so sorry uh yeah so he he says like hey i really thought there was going to be something with us uh on our first date that neither of us can remember uh but it's clear to me now that it's just fading out and um i just don't feel the way that you feel and he sends her home too so that's two two on one uh turned into a zero on one zero on one it just turned into a one it turned into a nick tell me about the date this week the date

this week is nick uh it's like when kaylan you remember when Kalon couldn't find anybody to go? I think it was two seasons ago on Bip, this dude named Kalon, whose whole shtick was he was a big, richy-rich dude. He had an entrance that I thought was pretty fucking ballin', where he came in on a helicopter. He brought his own helicopter. And he couldn't find anybody to go on a date with him in Bachelor in Paradise. And it was beautiful. He went, like, diving in a cenote, and he had like a like a picnic in the cenote it was it was so lovely and

nobody would go with him so he just kind of he just had a little solo solo mish um it was it was yeah this and this is this was what i think that's the end of the episode right oh no oh god how could i fucking forget no nick nick spirals in a big way yeah um he's like end of the episode, right? Oh, no. Oh, God. How could I fucking forget? No, Nick spirals in a big way. Yeah. He's like, this is the second time someone's told me that they were falling in love with me and I couldn't reciprocate. Who was the other one? It was this season, right? Or was he talking about Jennifer from Bip?

No, it was definitely this season. It was definitely this season. I just can't remember. I can't remember either. Because Raven's the only one that I can remember. Rave. Apparently Jasmine, Jazz, called Raven Rave, and Rave called Jasmine Jazz.

Jazz and Rave. Jazz, Rave, and D-Lo. Who are these women? When did they come up with these nicknames? Please show me this. Please show it. Let's get to the end of the episode, it really does it gets out of hand yeah so nick nick feels real sad and he's like what if um my interest fades and all the women you know what i should do i should go tell them confront them

with this this horrible possibility they're all sitting around real cash and like the hotel suite Nick shows up in tears says that he sent both women home uh and that he's having some real concerns about whether this process is going to work for him he said what was heartbreaking is that he was super into D'Lo and y'all knew that y'all knew how into D'Lo I was but um that relationship just fell flat and the love faded and so i had to send her home and now i'm worried that that could happen with any of you and i'm worried that this isn't gonna happen so i'm just gonna leave um and he says he says like he says something like i'm just gonna i'm just gonna head out uh and leaves and

then all of a sudden all the women are like, is he quitting the show? And the preview for next week is more of that. Women saying, I don't think he's coming back. I think he's just gone. This is after the horrible beach volleyball date where they all felt so insecure. And Nick decides, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go tell them I'm not sure that it's going to happen. I'm not sure that I'm going to fall in love with any of them.

And then I'm just going to bounce. Yeah I'm not sure that it's going to happen. I'm not sure that I'm going to fall in love with any of them. And then I'm just going to just bounce. Yeah. Nicholas. Yeah, Nick. Nick, you've got to bottle that shit up, dude. You really messed up. I know it's tough. I know it's an uncomfy position to be in.

But you need to bottle it right up. And then you need to throw the bottle in a garbage can somewhere. So we get a lot of teases for next week with a lot of the women being distressed. Not Korn, though. Not Korn, no. Korn is, what's the opposite of distressed? She is, she is... Horny.

Horny, I guess, yeah. This is when we get the, my heart is gold and my vagina is platinum. Yeah, she's gonna take matters into her own hands and cheer Nick up next week. Boy, I hope this show handles it in a tasteful manner. I can't believe I just said that sentence out loud. It's just like, I don't want another fucking repeat

of Caitlin's season where if you bone before the prescribed boning hour, then that is what the whole fucking season is about. And man, that season got very, very, very gross in a big way do you think this

will be a fun bet do you think they're actually gonna they're actually gonna hook up god or do you think he's gonna send her away if nick does after this week after the fucking volleyball uprising he would be a he would be the biggest dummy i don't think so i think it would go against not anything about like his uh the the content of his character or his uh ethical nature or whatever i think he knows as far as like image him hooking up with corn the week after giving this impassioned i don't know if i'm gonna fall in love with any of you speech is gonna like it's gonna look pretty good it's gonna look actually pretty awful but yeah so i think he's too i think he's too concerned with like rebuilding the nick brand to like make a to step in it like this you know well yeah and to be fair when he hooked up with caitlin early on

like it was after a night of like passionate like fucking cranberries played a private concert you got to fuck after that you have so much romance and and from the way it looks corinne just shows up middle of the night and says hey you up yeah puts on a cranberries cassette but it's all b-sides who wants to hear that uh sings the cranberries actually gives them a bowl of raw cranberries um yeah i i yeah i don't know man a lot of people were saying this episode was really bad i don't know that it was i don't know that i thought it was really bad i think i enjoyed it more than most of the gross stuff not gross i think i enjoyed it more than a lot of the boring parts of last week they didn't draw out a lot of corn drama which i fucking super appreciated i i liked this episode because it was completely fucking

inscrutable it was a fucking national treasure yeah map it felt like an abridged moby dick or something like oh hey there's a whale and there's a boat and there's a lot of trouble felt like a fucking dan brown novel like i was trying to connect the dots as I was going. Yeah. It was a wild episode. A bad, a really, not a bad episode, but a very poorly produced. Like, this show is, this show is so meticulous. I know. This show is so meticulously made. It felt like they brought in a different team this week.

Or, like, half the team was sick or something. Like, I don't understand why they made so many of the choices that they made and i'll never understand what happened during that volleyball day we can guess until the the the moon blows up but like something happened it literally went from cornhole and fun in the sun volleyball to everybody simultaneously just like hey fuck this shit hunger booze and sun hunger booze and sun i mean it's a classic cocktail yeah um but to not nobody ever says that though nobody is the show doesn't say like i don't know i think we're all pretty tired and so that's what made us all get so frustrated with this it was just just like everybody, like this huge.

I think they made him play volleyball for two hours. Probably. That would get to anybody. That was the episode. And I think we're getting out of the Badlands soon. Pretty soon we're going to get to, who do you think Final Four is going to be? Who do you think we're going to,

so we're down to six now, right? I think after next week, next week could probably have two rose ceremonies and then we're on to hometowns uh so it's usually four that go to hometown so right i don't think he's gonna break from from that i think rachel definitely since they've already talked about it vanessa yes uh maybe christina based on this week i think christine the other three spot to the other three win for the final two spots I would say Christina Korn Raven and that leaves out well no fucking Danielle I don't know man this is a good

final six this is a fucking great cast yeah the women this this year I was telling Rachel like um even at final 12 I knew who everybody was except Whitney um there aren't a lot of Whitney's this season not a lot of Whitney's and And Whitney is the only Whitney this season. And again, I don't want to. Nothing against Whitney. Nothing against Whitney. It's just this show has a. Seriously, nothing against Whitney.

This show has a very bad habit of like casting a cast that is very homogenous. Yeah. I think is a fair way to put it. I mean, just look at Jojo's season where all the guys looked exactly alike. Looked exactly the same. And Ben's season, to an extent. I feel like I had a really hard time telling the women apart in Ben's season. Not all of them.

Obviously, there were some great characters in there, too. But there was just, man, this was such a strong cast. Which I can't get into that, because it's going to make me even angrier that they wasted so much time on the fucking corn taylor bullshit but um yeah oh i want to thank some people for sending us gifts yeah uh so we got a little stuffed goat from an entity called you goat mail uh so thank you cam little stuff goat. I like your business. It's just like, here's a goat. Here's a goat. Now you have a goat.

It's like, whoa, wild. And then we got a variety of things, including a little D&D themed Hawaiian shirt for Henry. Yeah. That was really cool. That was from Zach and how would you say this name? Oh boy. It looks like R O. Ray,

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