Wonderful! - Ep. 80: Will Peter or Won't Peter

Episode Date: July 26, 2017

We decided to go with this episode title because it's the literal only premise of the two-hour-long episode of primetime television we watched earlier this week. Also: The remaining suitors meet the family, and begin their journey to the Fantasy Suite. MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

Maybe, maybe you should go and do some contemplating. Right reasons, right reasons. Me and my girl, we're all the right reasons. Right reasons, right reasons. Me and my girl, we're all for reasons. I'm the bachelorette and I'm rapping to your poolside. Here to find true love, one man for my whole life. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy.

Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is Rosebuddies. This is a podcast about love, and kissing, andching and necking and hugging and spooning and fucking. I wanted to take an off-ramp there, but I couldn't. But hey, it's Fantasy Suites time. If we can't talk about intimacy, now, when will it happen? Dang it. When am I going to finally get to talk about sex in one of these podcasts?

Thanks for listening. How are you doing? How are you doing, baby? Really good. You're home. I was at San Diego Comic-Con. You're back home with me. I'm back home with you.

You didn't ask me about all the superheroes I met. You want to tell me about them? I met Deadpool, and he called me a butt munch, but in the way he does it, where it was like, God, he fucking razzed me. Can I stop you? Uh-huh. I have no interest in this. I wish you were that efficient and are just sort of our day-to-day about similar topics.

I have asked you a lot of questions about different famous people you met. Deadpool's pretty famous. He knows the X-Men, so. Now, when you say you met Deadpool, it wasn't Ryan Reynolds. Could have been. Could have been. Could have been. I don't know. I had the mask on.

He called me a butt munch. And no, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Ryan Reynolds. That I would be interested in. Okay. Well, Deadpool died for your sins, so. Yeah. Wow. Let's talk about, I watched the episode this morning at about 7 a.m.

We watched it separately. This is maybe the first time. I didn't have a fun time. And I think it's partially because this was kind of a weak episode, but also because I wasn't with you, my delightful love and sun in the sky, but also because it was kind of just sort of a boring episode. And I can't believe there was two hours of it. And that's kind of mind-boggling to me

because it was... I felt every passing second, I feel like, of it. I'm at a point now where I enjoy the time I get to spend with Eric. I get excited about spending extended periods of time with eric i feel that and we got a lot of we got a lot of eric this episode yeah um basically we're going to talk about this episode but like the structure of it was a bit off because um typically in the last episode of a season the remaining two suitors will meet the bachelor

bachelorette's family and that's like typically the first time that they have to spend an extended time with them that's when they do things like ask for uh you know permission to propose if that's the way they want to go about it um but that's usually safe at the finale um after the fantasy suites after the fantasy suites because uh rachel's sister was eight months pregnant um they couldn't do the typical thing of flying the whole family out to whatever destination the show ended in so everybody was just in dallas and we're gonna knock that out here in the penultimate episode and then go do fantasy suites um and i think the problem with that because nothing gets you in the mood i know more than meeting your lady's family um i think there's i think that this this episode is maybe

always kind of doomed to be kind of boring because like i think the fantasy suites episode is kind of boring until the end when like one of the final three goes home and that's a big like dramatic like twist uh that they build up some system suspense to uh and then the meeting the family's bit and the finale is always pretty boring until like we find out who wins and who loses and that's what the payoff so kind of this episode was like two episodes worth of build up with virtually no payoff to speak of whatsoever. True. Hopefully this will be a quick ep of Rose Buddies because I don't know that there's a whole lot. Good thing you have said that a dozen times

and it never is the case. It never pans out. Let's do it. Okay. So yes, they're in Dallas. Rachel explains to them they're going to be meeting her family and that Peter is going first. And Brian makes his maybe first joke of the season

what's he say he's like let's hope that peter sets the bar really low well joke isn't i mean that's more of i guess it's a light observational humor him and eric both laughed and i was like oh hey brian hey he knows what funny he is showing up Well, it's because Rachel wasn't in the room. Rachel had left the room. And so he wasn't like, yeah. So on their way to meet Rachel's family, Rachel takes Peter to a baby store. And they are going to pick out gifts for her sister's kids. And Rachel is giving Peter tips on what is likely to win her sister over. It was really funny because Peter

found something and he was like, look, it matches. Isn't that great? And Rachel just didn't say anything and he was like, I guess it wasn't great then. Rachel does make a funny comment where she's like, what is this, like one size fits all? Peter's like, I don't think that's right. That's not how any of this works.

Meanwhile, since Peter is out, Eric andrian have to sit down and talk about peter this structure i swear to god it's just this season where it has become like the connective tissue for all these episodes yeah it's like we made these two sit down and have a conversation about somebody that wasn't there go talk shit um and so brian tells eric that he from his understanding peter might not even propose if he gets picked at the end and they are shocked by that and brian says it makes me think that maybe peter isn't all the way committed this spoiler alert this is the rest of the episode. Yeah, this is the whole thing. The whole thing is Peter, will he or won't he propose? And he pretty much has said, I won't.

I don't. I really, please don't make me. Seems very unlikely. Yeah. And so Peter gets to the house with Rachel, and they're sitting out front, and he says, you know, after hometowns, I just really wanted to clear up with you how I was feeling. Let me un-Luke this situation, please. You keep referencing Luke and I don't even really remember.

He was like, it was the most like transparent Bachelorette shit like ever in that it was, I think, final four or final three. And like they were at the tarmac remember about to get on an airplane but they're like there's only three seats on this plane and luke like was the only one who hadn't said that he was falling in love with jojo and so like at the very last moment he like ran up to her on the tarmac was like can we talk and he's like i um i love i figured out i love you i totally forgotten about that and jojo was saying like explicitly like well you know i feel like things are slower with luke it's like just because he didn't say i love you and then he was going to be sent home and he tried to win his way back in but no no dice well

peter does definitely pull luke them because he says that he's falling in love with her um uh he says i am falling in love with you, Peter. I expect it better. Uh, and so Rachel is very relieved to hear that. Yeah. And then they walk into the house, uh, and in the house,

it's her sister and her sister's husband and her mom and her aunt and uncle. And again, her dad, her dad's just never going to be on this franchise, I guess. Yeah. It's weird that, can they not even say is,

cause I'm still unsure if it is a personal decision of responsibility or a legal... Well, there was scuttlebutt on the internet today that he was actually there. He just didn't want to be on camera. Oh, well, there was one bit where a photo was blurred out, and I didn't know if it was... This is not a joke.

There was a photo hanging on the wall that was blurred out so i didn't know if like they could not even maybe because if he really is a judge and he's a judge in criminal cases he doesn't want to endanger his family or something maybe but that's like yeah i don't know i don't know i can't speculate but the uh her mom comes on and in like athe-scenes thing and sort of explains the situation. And she's like, but I'm... Or maybe Rachel was the one explaining it, that my mom will give out the blessings. And I think her mom was the one explaining it. Like, even though my husband's not here, I'm going to get to know these dudes.

And if they ask for a proposal, it's just kind of a wild... It's like, I get why he can't be on the show or why he doesn't want to be on this show it's just like this is the part where people come to like talk to the parents to meet the parents and it's like you're one chance to meet the parents before you propose and like one of them's not there it seems like i think the rumor is and i think this was true with nick's season that he actually is meeting these people they're just not showing interesting okay yeah uh so Peter tells Rachel's family that his dad actually proposed to his mom after a month and they've been married 36 years um and how convenient Peter what a convenient I mean, I'm sure it's true. Yeah. But, alright. And then he like talks about

Rachel and what she was wearing the night they met and how he was just totally blown away. And Rachel says, I was an angel. That was funny. Do you remember what I was wearing the day we met? I was going to ask you the same question. Well, I asked you first. I know that you were squinting because you needed sunglasses.

Not, didn't count. I want to say like a button down short sleeve shirt. And cargo shorts. I mean, that's fucking cheating. Glasses and sideburns. Yes. Yeah, what was I wearing to her, Mac? Shorts and that one tank top.

You remember? That one tank top? You know the one. Okay. It's got the ketchup stains on it. Okay, that is factually inaccurate. I feel like Blake right now, because back then I wasn't eating ketchup, so I couldn't have had ketchup stains.

Oh, God. Jacuzzi. I forgot I turned you on to ketchup. This is not good for anybody but the two of us. Okay, so the one thing Peter does say toachel's family is that you know he's been skeptical and hesitant um but he realized after hometowns that he didn't want to lose her and that he was falling in love with her and rachel's like this is the first time hearing this. Which is nice. And so Rachel talks to her sister. And her sister, like, very specifically says, like, have you said you love anybody?

Like, have you said I love you to anyone? And she's like, no, not yet. It's like, okay. But she said, I'm falling in love with them, but not that i love them and again i just well you know what she's referencing is that dean when she said she was falling in love with dean well she says it's somebody else's episode no she says it to she says it to peter right outside he says i'm falling in love with you and she says i'm falling in love with you too just in case you didn't know and he kind of laughs he's like i had an idea okay i totally missed okay well i saw that at fucking seven o'clock on the in the plane this morning completely dazed out of my mind see this is why we got to be together on this shit i know

whenever i take notes i miss like the next thing that happens yeah uh okay so this is like all-time question so her sister's husband sits down with p and says, you know, Rachel's not perfect. Do you have any specific items of concern about Rachel? Can we talk about this brother-in-law? Because he seemed nice enough, but he also seemed like a Borg a little bit in that, like, he kept using the word individual to refer to a person. And that, like, why? I didn't notice that.

Seems like you really harbor strong feelings for this individual. Am I under arrest right now? You know, well, maybe he's a lawyer, too. I mean, I think this is, I think most folks here are in the law profession. It just seemed that way, just based on, like, the Q&A that they were doing. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Peter very carefully gets out of that question, though. He's like, oh, there's no red flags yet.

You know, and I really liked her from the start. And I've been, you know, I haven't really jumped into this feat first. Like, it's only recently that I've started to really commit to this. Yeah, I was kind of hoping for any answer here, but I mean, he just didn't. He dodged it. Well, so what were some red flags about me when we started dating? Oh, Jesus God.

I mean, straight up, you were very afraid of commitment. Real, real, real, real afraid. Not because you weren't into it, but just because like it was it felt it felt fast but i was like full-blown i was the rachel you were the peter in this situation that's true actually midwesterners midwesterners they're very closed off well not closed off well they're very very tough nuts to crack skittish well they're they're very difficult okay they're very challenging nuts we have a lot of midwestern listeners be careful i'm basically midwestern west virginia is essentially no come

on all right um can we talk about the conversation that peter had with the mom because i feel like that was the most like telling uh well first rachel talks to her mom and talks about peter's midwesternness and how he has small town roots and his parents are still together and her mom asks her if there are i just hit the mic with my uh wine glass and it sounded like i was like cheersing the audience i like that that's like a fun 4d effect like your universal studios the rose buddies ride what else would be on that ride griffin oh man there'd be a lot of corners there'd be a feminist corner a feminist corner and then

griffin's printer corner like plunge down into yeah thank you by the way all the like positive response to my new brother printer yeah um it was a difficult uh to make, and it's always hard to say goodbye, but it's so nice to say hello. So what was the conversation with the—or are you trying to think of more what the ride would be like? I'm trying to think of more Rosebuddies ride. Oh, how would the home improvement theme be incorporated? I mean, I think there's a live band experience. Yeah, you don't get those usually on roller coasters. You only hear them for a second.

It's just like... Maybe it's like one of those rides where you're given like a gun to shoot. Oh. And every time you shoot... Hi, everybody. Like a bachelor villain, let's say. Hey, if you've never been on the laser gun ride like at Kings Island or anything like that, Rachel's talking about a laser gun and not...

Listen, we do live in Texas, but there is no bullet gun roller coaster. There probably is a bullet gun roller coaster. Did I make it sound that way? You definitely did. Is there a roller coaster where you get a gun to shoot? What? Okay.

We can explore this at a later time. Absolutely. When we're starting to merchandise. Theme parks are very lucrative right now. So Rachel says her red flag is that she still doesn't know what Peter's going to do at the end of this. Right, right, right, right, right. Yep, yep, yep. All of it.

The whole episode. Yes. Mom and Peter talk now. And Peter very honestly says, I don't know that I would necessarily propose in the next two weeks. And so I'm not going to ask you for permission until I'm certain. And Rachel's mom really appreciates that. Well, he says, what I want to ask you for is like permission to like date your daughter after this is over. And then there's like a five second pause.

And then the mom is like, and I like that. And Peter's like, okay. I think I would also obviously when you're a parent in this situation like you know what the game is to an extent but at the same time I think if somebody

comes to you and is like I'm not going to ask for her hand in marriage after we've been hanging out for nine weeks for like an hour and a half a week I think I as a parent would go like, fucking A. All right. That sounds good to me. Yes, please.

Peter posted something on Instagram, I think, because he got a lot of flack for being hesitant to propose. And he said something like, you know, after three dates, what essentially was three dates, I wasn't ready to make that call. Check it. Yeah, absolutely. three dates what essentially was three dates i wasn't ready to make that call check it yeah absolutely it's it's we have an article about that that we can okay talk a little it's just it drives me up a wall it's such an it's such an unreasonable like i think it is more romantic to say i want to like fucking date you and live with you yeah after this show than it is to say like i'm going to is to say like,

I'm going to propose to you. Like every other person has ever done at the end of this thing that like 95% of her just fucking a joke. But you have to be careful. Right. Because Juan Pablo wouldn't propose, but that's different. I mean, that is,

that's, I feel like a different out, right? Like, cause I didn't, I didn't think Juan Pablo had like a connection with any of the women his entire season because it just felt like he was like there for him or whatever i i think it can be really romantic i think that i think that's a i think there's a way to edit that into like a good ending of just like yeah and now we're dating and really

fucking happy although the pressures that this show put on you maybe it's that's impossible because you show up on after the final rose and chris harrison's like so what's uh so uh how's it uh well they also make you sit down with neil lane yeah so like hey i know that you might not propose but sit down with our 300-year-old man, Neil Lane. He's not that old. You're so bad. I know. Okay. Peter, before the date ends,

Peter does what is one of the most adorable things. He sits down and draws with her sister's son, Alistair, and it's just super cute. It's real cute. He's so good with kiddos. And Peter says at the end of the date that he feels like that date helped him progress in the relationship. Yeah.

And meeting her family, or he says seeing the people that made her helped him feel closer and further in the relationship. Can we move on to eric eric yay uh eric and rachel go to reunion tower in dallas which is the big ball yeah it's like any other city you go up real high and you look out it's cool it's the big ball i have never we have done this a lot i have gone up in a lot of big tall things to look out at a city that I am visiting. Yeah. And it's, like, kind of neat. But usually I'm just thinking, like, how long should we spend up here?

I like it. I like doing it as a, like, I genuinely like doing it on, like, the first day of a trip. We went up Tokyo Tower. I feel like one of our first days in Tokyo. And that's cool to, like, because it's it sounds like corny or whatever but it's like a cool way of like understanding the scale of the place that you're about to get like dropped back down into yeah there's something about that that i really enjoy well you know what i wonder too if all of those were built before there were all these super huge high-rise hotels too because a lot of times when you're staying in a really big

hotel you're kind of getting a similar experience yeah that's a good point actually when we were staying in tokyo our hotel was on like the 45th floor we were sky high yeah i could do that in my pajamas i like it i really liked going up the sears tower or willis tower in chicago that was really cool i did that like at the almost at the end of my year there and was like, oh shit, this is what it looks like. Okay. I don't know. I enjoy it. Okay. Well, we'll keep doing it, I guess. Okay. Thank you. So they go to Reunion Tower. Eric is kind of afraid of heights and then they have kind of some fun moments where he's like shaking a little bit and he's kind of holding on to her and she can

like see his hands are shaking sweet it's very sweet uh cut back to peter and brian talking about eric oh this is this when it got real though um it got a little real between these two boys it did yeah so they talk about eric's inexperience because that's everybody's favorite thing to talk about is that he's never been in love because everybody can only have one fucking plot line on this show. And then Peter reveals that he did not ask for permission from Rachel's family. And Brian is like, well, I mean, I'm going to do it. He says like, oh, well, that's interesting that you did. Like, I would have never done it like that because my plan is just going there there and you know be really charming and then you know get get the permission from the folks

and peter tells us he sees he thinks that brian is is being a little arrogant and ballsy and like phrasing it that way and peter's peter makes a face like response to brian saying like oh i wouldn't have done it that way or he's just like okay cool great um and then this was obviously like cut in from like a different conversation that these two are having but peter was like you know i'm i it does i don't like that typically after hometowns the suitors never see each other again except for rose ceremonies right so this is a unique situation and peter's talking about like i don't't like that I'm sitting here with Rachel's other boyfriend while her other boyfriend is on a date with her right now. Like, to be honest,

Brian, I wish I was not sitting here with you right now. Which they cut to like, seem like a more sinister thing than it actually was. I'm pretty sure that was just like a... Yeah, they try and kind of drum up like some sort of tension between the two of them. Yeah. And it just felt more like, yeah, they probably wouldn't be friends outside of this. No. It didn't feel like there was any kind of real bad blood there. Yeah.

So, Eric and Rachel hang out in the tower and they have a big bowl of fruit and champagne. I noticed that too. And he was eating the fruit and I got so excited. It was a very large bowl of fruit. And so they talk a little bit about his previous relationship history. And he said that he's met his girlfriend's families twice before and that the last time was seven years ago. And so Rachel

and him had this cute exchange because she's like well i really want my family to see what i see in you and he was like well what do you see she's like you're all right that was it's very good it was very great um i feel like we're not saying anything like critical or entertaining at all this episode, Rosebuddies. It's just like, here's something cute that Rachel said. And we're like, oh, good. That was cute. Well, I think we've had our fair share of criticism this season. I guess that's fair.

And this really was a super fucking by the books episode, except for like the change of like when things happened, I guess. I will say this. I think the finale is going to be, if the next episode after Mintel All really is the finale, I'm still not sure if we have one or two more proper episodes after Mintel All. If it is just one episode, that is going to be the most fucking buck wild finale ever.

And I'm very, very excited for it. Yeah. I'm kind of celebrating Eric because I don't think he's long for this show. I think he's going to be the next one to go. Here's the thing. And we talked about this last week. Like this show is doing everything it can to make it seem like Peter's not going to win.

And this is nothing new. This is every season they do this. I will say, like, there's definitely, I do not want to shortchange the genuine conflict that it seems like is actually starting to pop up between Rachel and Peter. I still think, though, that top two are Peter, Brian. Although, you know what? The reason I thought Brian was in second place was because he met the family. But they all met the family in this episode, didn't they? Huh.

Yeah, I don't know. It just, it seems like she feels very passionately about Peter and Brian and she just likes Eric. I, yeah, yeah. I think that's probably true. And that's something to even,

so when Eric comes to meet her family, Rachel's sister observes that Eric might not be on the same playing field as Peter. It's what she says. Oh my God. That her, was it her sister who um when peter was playing with uh alistair her uh rachel's nephew um and they're like who's this and alistair was like paper and they're like close enough close enough and then was it her sister that leaned down and was like, no, can you say winner? And everybody like cracked up laughing.

Do you remember that? It's like, there is a, there is a subtext to this whole thing of just like Peter is going to fucking win this whole thing. Eric talks a little bit about his family and his experience growing up in Baltimore, which we know pretty well by now,

Rachel kind of is honest with her family members and she's talking to her aunt um and says that she's not really sure where eric stands exactly because he hasn't explicitly says that he loves her yet yeah she says that eric has like talked about his feelings before but he's always kind of dancing around them and hasn't really said the exact right thing yet she does say dancing around them which i thought was fun because they have they do dance quite a bit history oh yeah doesn't her uncle recognize him it's like hey i remember you from the after the final rose like you made a good first impression i know they were like you're such a fan yeah uh the aunt describes eric in a way that i really like she's like well but eric doesn't seem like a fairy tale person. No, he seems extremely real. I get that. That's a very good description. Yeah.

Because it's like, Eric doesn't seem like somebody that would get swept up. Yeah, for sure. In the way that somebody like Brian might. So, Eric tells us that he wants to say that he's in love with her. So, we know it's coming, this episode. And so when Eric sits down with the mom, he congratulates the mom on the longevity of her relationship with her husband, which felt kind of weird.

I don't know. There was something a little bit off, I felt like. And I don't know if it was just like. I think he was just nervous. I think he was probably just really nervous. But he actually said the words like this whole exchange between him and his mom where i think they both knew that eric was about to ask for permission to propose yeah and so like both of them were kind of on edge but eric actually said like i know you've

been married to your husband for 37 years and that's incredible i'm honored to just be in your presence right now and it it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like if I was a parent in this situation, I would ask you to please just back it up like a little bit. Cause that is a wild,

I'm just honored to be in your presence right now. What? Rachel's mom asks Eric kind of what he's looking for. And he says, you know, he wants family. He wants love. He wants success and commitment on all cylinders, which I wrote down.

All right. I thought that was a unique phrase. Yeah, that's my new Ford Tahoe. It's got a hemi. It's got commitment on all cylinders. It's amazing. And then he says, Miss Lindsay, I would like to ask permission to ask your daughter to marry me. And I love these answers. Sometimes they're so diplomatic. Sometimes the parents get the best answers that are just like, I trust my child and I feel comfortable with her decision.

And if she decides that she wants to marry you, then I trust that decision. Without saying like, go for it, dude. Yeah, because of course. Let her rip. Yeah, of course she's not going to say, hey, I am in love with you already. And I'm sure my daughter is too. Hey, Griffin.

Hey, baby. Can I steal you away? Oh, yeah. Do you want me to do it? It's like a little, like a... It sounded bad. Guitar solo? It sounded bad. No, I knew what you were doing.

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Yeah. No, I think you nailed it. They were trying to cyber bully me. No. Yes. No, Griffin. You're so sensitive. I'm a really delicate, delicate young boy.

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uh brian date okay brian is wearing his watch that they got on their date which i loved eric's no like and she was also wearing the watch and he was like you know she didn also wearing the watch. And he was like, you know, if she didn't wear the watch, it would have been like, whatever. But she decided to wear the watch. I love that he noticed that. So this is when Peter, when they have to do their little aside from the date, Peter tells Eric that he's not a big Brian fan. Yeah. First I heard of it, but he said it kind of like it was well known.

Uh, and then he talks about, and I don't have the exact quote, but he talks about kind of the fake, uh, quality that it's associated with people from Miami. He says something like, Oh yeah.

Fake boobs, fake butt, fake cheeks, which there's a lot of speculation that Brian has like cheek implants and so everybody's read that as a clue of like, oh, maybe he does because Peter specifically said cheeks. But he refers to Brian's

fake Miami swagger that he doesn't like. That's getting a little nasty. I know. Peter always seemed like such a classy, mature gentleman to me. So it confuses me when he kind of punches low this is where he's kind of this is where he's this is hey you gotta you gotta call it like it is with everybody on this show i thought that was a low blow peter i thought

it was unfair to everybody in miami the whole city it's kind of fucked up yeah that is uh so brian is the only one that gets to meet rachel's friends yeah which seems significant friends first co-workers second i like that i'm gonna start saying that to my co-workers friends first co-workers second i do i like that it does kind of sound like the tagline for a new sitcom on nb Brian meets Marissa and Lauren, which were, I guess, the women that signed Rachel up for Nick's season. And Rachel, oh my gosh, this moment was so funny, and it just clarified a lot.

Rachel is talking about how when she first met Brian, she told her friends that he was very charming and that she thought he was maybe a douchebag which i just thought like oh maybe rachel has seen enough of brian to get past that impression and we haven't and we haven't i don't think that's okay that's also a little unfair i don't i don't think brian's a douchebag it's just like i he's he's going to be in the top two i'm pretty confident and i i even even like the people i'm not rooting for in the final two like i at least know some shit about him and i still feel like i definitely know more after hometowns right but i still feel like there's there is more i could know about brian i don't think he's a

douchebag i think that's a mean thing to say no yeah i i just i thought it was funny because she's always seemed so excited about brian and so to hear her say that she had kind of a a weird first impression kind of validated my concerns about him a little bit uh so after he hangs out with the friends and it goes really well, they seem to really like him. It's time for him to meet the family. And he talks about how his mom is the number one woman in his life. And that he wants to start a family and build a legacy.

And Rachel's mom kind of pounces on that this is this is i feel like they they use this the term red flag like 10 times during this episode i feel like we actually saw her mom locate one in real time um because then the whole family kind of goes all in on brian yeah so rachel's mom says well if your wife and your mother are butting heads, whose side do you take? And Brian's like, oh, well, I would want to work things out and, you know, and have the two of them work things out together. And Rachel's mom was like, well, but where's the priority? And this is where Rachel kind of bristles and and is like what's going on right now yeah uh and he he clarifies like oh no my priority would be with the wife um and my and rachel's mom tells us like i noticed that rachel was uncomfortable and i hated that for her yeah but this but she had a great point which is like this comes with the territory of you bringing all these fucking cameras into my house right now like Like this, this is part of the deal. Like,

sorry. And Brian says, you know, I know that you're all skeptical of this process and it has only been nine weeks, but I've always thought of her as my girlfriend. And Rachel's sister is like, after a week,

one day. Really? Yeah. You thought she was your girlfriend. And the sister i feel like brian was catching a an undue amount of flack from the family for all this stuff because i feel like eric and peter definitely think that shit but peter like this is the only thing he like talks about really around rachel i feel like it's just like oh effusive praise and uh admiration and the family picked up on that as like that fast huh wow okay if they really did happen in the order that they appear on the show

peter and eric both came in very reasonable very measured and brian just came in like she's my girlfriend i love her like and and they were like wait a minute whoa yeah you're unique in this uh the sister thinks that uh brian is a charmer rachel's sister's husband asks brian for details on what he likes about rachel and then they i don't know if there's editing or what but then brian's like can I be excused? And he leaves the table. And Rachel is annoyed with her family. She says, I'm low-key annoyed right now. I'm low-key annoyed, yeah.

And really kind of goes after them and says, you guys are being different. The energy is different. And Rachel's mom says, well, I just need some clarity. And Rachel says, what more do you need right now? and Rachel says, what more do you need right now? And then this is where Rachel's sister's husband says, your reaction to your mother is extremely emotional. This is what I'm saying.

Like, you need to assimilate right now with this individual. And I was watching with my friend Ariel and she's like, why would he feel like it was okay to come after her like that? And I thought, well, the only thing I could think is that if he has been with the family for a very long time, like let's say he has been with Rachel's sister for like eight or nine years. Okay. Then I could maybe see why he feels- I still wouldn't. No way. No way. When we've been married for a decade i would never be like listen linda like talking to your mom and in any way like that on fucking national television

zero percent chance i mean to each to each their own like no judgment whatever that's true it seemed familiar that also hit me like you're the one that's getting in on this? Saying you're being very emotional right now? Like, whoa, dude. Pump those brakes. And so later they cut to commercial and then they come back when we're watching, probably not on the date. Chris Harrison probably doesn't come in and start selling McDonald's. Yeah. But Rachel is saying, you know, I'm chill until I'm not when she's talking to her sister's husband.

And he said that her reaction to Brian being questioned shows how much she cares about him, which is true. Yeah, sure. And then so we cut back. Brian is back in the room with the family. in the room with the family and he's talking to Rachel's sister and he says how much he loves the family already.

He's like, I just, I love your family already. Which was like a little bit weird for them. Very fast, yeah. And Rachel's sister says, you have an answer for everything and it seems really fast. And Brian tells us they may find it far-fetched but it's my job to convince them otherwise which also felt that's not what fucking love it like

this is what drives me up a fucking wall with this dude is like get get to know like get to know them and let them get to know you and ingratiate yourself with these people who you are going to be like asking to babysit your kids and going on fucking vacations with and spending the holidays to what the fuck are you talking about i've got to get in there i've got to get in there good and like yeah you should but to like get to know these people to find out if you want to be a part of their family or not. To say it's my job to convince them otherwise. Like, it felt very strategy to me.

It felt very, like, okay, the objective in this situation is to get them to trust me. So what kind of things would a trustworthy person say? It's like, that feels weird. That feels weird. I sympathize with Brian on one hand, because, like, weirdly, and this was, like, the biggest, like, standout point for this episode for me was it actually is different having this family meeting happening in the Fantasy Suitesorette brings the final two back to meet their family the family has a binary decision to make between these two and typically they couch it and like whoever you choose will love and respect your decision meeting three is i feel like a lot um so that solo time in the fantasy suite they may be more confident in their connection absolutely you gotta think about that as like a huge checkpoint for like now we're gonna

have this now we can find the cameras are off and we can say like hey i really wish i could i know it betrays the whole spirit of the thing but i really wish i could hear the first words i've talked about this on past seasons i know i have of just like the door shuts and the cameras are gone it's like hey real quick are you actually in love with me? That's the best, that is potentially the best conversation on earth and maybe the most romantic conversation on earth or the most like bullshit like, oh no, this is just a TV thing, right? Okay, okay, okay.

Like, but regardless of how it goes, it is uninterrupted time where you can finally get to know if you are like compatible with that person. Yeah. And then you meet the family. I don't know. I understand this being a lot of pressure, but I just feel like Brian was treating it like he's kind of treated the rest of what we've seen of him on the show, which is just like, what can I say to flatter them and let them know that I'm totally in love and ready to go? This disclaimer isn't probably necessary, but I just want to say we are just talking about what we have to go off of.

Obviously, we don't know Brian. No, we don't know Brian at all. He's probably a perfectly fine gentleman. Yeah. We're just basing it on his edit edit which suggests that he is not as sincere maybe as the other contestants and if that is how he reacts to being on a romance television show that's fine also like um i i definitely have seen some episodes frankly this episode i saw stuff from peter and from eric which is just like i'm very cognizant of the fact that there's a camera a foot and a half away from you right now and you are constantly spinning the gears

trying to think of like a cool thing to say on tv yeah i don't know why that this was the episode where that was like really feel that way with rachel though i don't feel that way with rachel at all yeah that's a good point um maybe it's because she doesn't have like the pressure of like the competition or whatever but it's true um i definitely saw that shit from all of them this time it's just like i feel like that is most of what we have seen from from from brian after this confrontation with brian where the family is kind of grilling him rachel sits down with her mom and she tells her mom that she's falling in love with Brian. And her mom questions love and says that love means you don't want to live without that person. And she doesn't think that you can feel that way within two months.

And that's like, I liked thinking about it that way. Yeah. Like love is more than just a really intense enthusiasm and attachment to a person. It is recognizing that your life is fundamentally changed and that you cannot picture going forward without them. Yeah, sure. And I just thought that's a really concise way to talk about it. Yeah. And I just thought that's a really concise way to talk about it and a really precise way to address why this television show is so difficult. Yeah.

So this is where Brian asked for permission. Brian doesn't explicitly ask for permission, though. He says he's going to do it and it would be cool if he could have the blessing. I wrote down, Mrs. Lindsay, I love your daughter. I know I will be proposing if she picks me. And. It would be good if I could. Yeah.

If you would smile down upon that. And she says, you just used the word love. Has she mentioned love? And he says, well, I think that she feels that. And Rachel's mom says, you will have conflicts, and if there aren't conflicts, then somebody's not being honest. But because I trust her judgment, you have my blessing, you know, and to build on that initial love.

She's like very, like... She's the most diplomatic. You may think that you're in love right now, and please go forward and build on that love if that is what happens. It's incredible. Yeah. And now we're going to Spain. Oh, yeah.

Here we go. Here we go. Wait, are you buckled in? Oh, no, I didn't. Did you pack a bag? I didn't, babe. I'm just going to buy all my clothes over there. So Eric gets the first date in Spain.

In Rioja. Rioja looked fucking amazing. It's beautiful. This season has put a lot of places on the map for me of places that would be fucking cool to go, I think. Because... Like Dallas. Like Dallas, Texas. I've been to to dallas oh they stayed at the hilton anatole that's where quake con is that's the hotel i go to every year yeah it was really nice it's

very nice yeah it's just this huge brown monolithic sort of like hotel kind of in the middle of nowhere but it's real nice and then you go and you you know fucking land party out um rioja looked great what was the other one they went to that was really good the um geneva geneva looked really nice too it's true i bet it's fun i know i was talking about that with ariel when i was watching i was like i kind of get it like i never really understood why somebody would go on this show and subject themselves to this kind of scrutiny i absolutely do the travel is pretty great. Yeah, but it's fun. You get to stay in nice places.

Sure. You get to scream the Bachelorette's name off the balcony. That's my dream. I've been to some really great places. Our honeymoon is like my favorite trip probably I'll ever take my entire life. But if while we're staying at like, you know, Hot Spring Resort in Hakone, if we could just leaned off the balcony

and been like, Rachel! That would have made it. That would have really set it off. We'll have to go back. Please, Christ, can we go back? They get in a helicopter. Eric has all these kind of catchphrases. Are you talking about Miracle Season?

Miracle Season's one of them. I was talking about when he says, one-on-one, full of fun. He also says, we out here a lot, which Rachel, I think, later in the episode kind of like rags on him a little bit. Yeah, it's this idea. It's kind of like carpe diem, the way he says it. He's like, we out here.

They take a helicopter to the coast and go for this long walk along the coast. It was fucking gorgeous. And he's talking to Rachel and this is where he's going to tell Rachel that he's in love with her. And he says, you don't really need much, but you need everything.

And she says, wow, I sound like a complicated person, but I just, I love that phrasing. It's maybe like, it's maybe a little artificially deep, but that was kind of a nice way to describe her. Yeah, for sure. Because she does seem like kind of low key, but also like there's an intensity there.

Yeah. I liked it. It was maybe a little cheesy, but I fell for it. I'm also team Eric. Yeah, for sure. 100%. Okay, it's funny you said that. I was looking at that press blast that I got that I think I mentioned last week from Eric's IPR rep.

Because he said it's miracle season a lot this episode. I want to catch this by saying I really like Eric, and I think he's a lot of fun on the show lot of fun on the show is he promoting something there's a lot of shirts and hats that say it's miracle season and then it's funny i was looking at this when you said i'm team eric and if you'll um just look at the shirts it says team eric and big block letters which is cool to every to each their own but there was there was a moment and it was in the after credits thing where like uh rachel was like trying to say a line and like a foghorn went off. She tried to do it again and some bells rang and she tried to do it again and like a bird flew down. And he said like, it's miracle season.

And I was like, that didn't seem like where that should go. And now like he's selling merch with it on it. And it makes me like a little like a little bit uncomfortable. Like, you know, I still I love Eric. And like, i think that this show you gotta juice it for all that you got and he is far from the only fucking person doing this like for sure how many what boom spice racks are circulating now because of that one motherfucker um i just a miracle season stuck out to me because he kept saying it in places where

it was just like that's a good point. Why did you say that there? Can I tell you something that's exciting to me about that merchandise? I mean, I would have a shirt that says it's miracle season. How funny would it be? We have an actual friend named Eric. How funny would it be if we all got Team Eric shirts and just showed up at his house wearing them? I would love for him to know that we support him. Yeah.

Just like, Hey, happy birthday, man. We're all team Eric today on their little historic walk around the coast. They go to this monastery where you make a wish and ring a bell three times. They do that. It's local culture. If you have local culture points on your fantasy league,

you just got them a night portion. Rachel wants to know how Eric feels about her. And he talks about how his feelings for her really started in the hot tub, which he says, you know, it always goes back to the hot tub. But he talks about their emotional chemistry. And he said that she makes him vulnerable and she asked if he has any fears with this process because this is obviously the first person he's felt this way about his first serious relationship uh and how can you be ready to get married at this point? And he says, if there was no Rachel, there wouldn't be any of this. And everything about this feels right.

You push me. You embody everything I want in a wife. He's saying that you challenge me. And I think it's because he gives her an explanation, and she's like, well, what does that mean? And he's like, see, this is what I like about you. You challenge me. I thought it was really funny.

He says that he's never felt this way before. He says, I'm in love with you. I've tried to run from it, but I'm really happy. And he says, so Rachel Lindsay, I love you. I liked that moment. And then the fantasy suite card arrives, and they do choose to forego their individual rooms. It's very horny.

Probably, I don't know. We don't get any of that, like, you know. Porking noises. Like door closes, sound of shirt unbuttoning. Sound of shirt hitting floor. It's really precise. Microphone's in there. But we do get the next morning they are

walking around drinking coffee. Skin friction. Just like in parentheses down at the bottom of the screen. Skin friction. Thigh rubbing. Callus rubs against knee. Yikes. Be like on your foot.

Yeah, I know. I know where calluses live usually. One thing I will say is after the date card arrives, the date card is always from Chris Harrison. Eric says that guy, he's awesome. Which I liked. In this situation, I think he would probably be very excited to get this message from Chris Harrison, I bet. And so that's their date.

Yeah. Now it's time for Peter. Her and Peter go to a vineyard. This is the last date, by the way, we should mention. I don't know, just as like a programming note. This is the last date of this episode. Yeah, we don't get Brian's date. No.

I think we will next episode, but whatever uh they go to a vineyard they go into a cave an old man sings a song at them yes um in spanish yeah he's like talking about how he started this vineyard um with his partner his wife after like or they've been together like 50 years. Yeah. Um, and both of them are just kind of standing there, like just kind of nodding their heads. And Rachel like kind of translates, she's like,

I don't speak fluent Spanish, but it's enough to know something about a wife. No, she's a little bit more fluent than that. She says like that he started it with his wife. Um, and then like the next thing we see is this man singing about, um,

kisses and how your, your love will kiss you and the kisses will kill you. But there's, there's sweet. He goes, he goes, future. Yeah.

Yeah. He sings that. Justin Timberlake song. It's and, um, he rips off the mask and it's him in there. It's JT. And he's like, and he says, who says I can't act?

I was really hoping you'd sing more Future Love. So high up on the ceiling, baby. That's good. I love when you go high. Oh, but that's not the song. It's not Future Love. You're confusing Push Your Love Girl. Push Your Love Girl.

Push Your Love Girl. But the album was called Future. That was the 2020 experience. Future Sex Love Sounds. Oh, baby, don't let me. How embarrassing. It's pretty embarrassing. I was going to let it go, but.

You'll edit this out. I won't, because it had a really good bit. I sounded really good back then when I was singing Push Your Love Girl. That's a really good song, by the way. Hey, butter mama. I remember when you were listening to that a lot. It was it was the only song i had on this macbook for a long time because i stream all this music but i like i guess i wanted it on a flight while i was up in the sky and so i downloaded it listened to it like a hundred fucking times um i would do it at karaoke if the last half of it

didn't wasn't really bad yeah first half was fucking money though can you get that high though you would do that at karaoke yeah i'll belt that shit out not now when i have my comic-con fucking gravel voice you do is that just from doing all your performances yes so the coolest thing about this date uh besides the fact that they are in a wine cellar is that they get keys to a individual wine cellar that says Raquel and Pedro. This was the most romantic fucking shit I've ever seen. To open up their individual cellar that has a whole bunch of bottles in there. And a bunch of bones, like a lot of bones. And Peter talks about how forever he will have this key to wine waiting for them in Spain.

That's the most romantic shit I've ever heard in my life which i don't know that's the most romantic shit i've ever heard in my life works but i love that thought that like they made this little spot for them to come back to i think it's like a p.o box by the way a p.o box 66639 austin texas 78766 hit us up um where you have to like is like a thing you pay for at regular intervals that's so romantic that's so fucking romantic, though. Damn it. Like a lot of cities, you just put like a padlock on a fence, and then it'll always be there.

But this, I think, is next level. This is very good. They sit and they talk about how they balance each other out. how they balance each other out. And he says how he asked for her mom's permission to date her. And they're talking a little bit about how Rachel might feel about that. They're literally about to get into this. When God throws an angel down from heaven to interrupt this conversation. This tiny Spanish girl shows up and she's adorable and gives Rachel flowers.

It's kind of surreal. It's the most adorable moment of my life. And I wasn't there. And then they all go out to this barrel of grapes. The girl leans over into Peter's ear and says, you're welcome. Because she interrupted the conversation that he probably didn't want to be a part of. And they're stomping grapes together. And they don't end up finishing the conversation that day or during that part of the date.

And then they kiss while they stomp grapes. But then everything falls apart. Yeah, the night portion of the date. Peter does make a nice gesture. He says, this is the cork from that bottle of wine we had, and my family has this tradition where they write something special on the cork from that day that they had the bottle of wine. And Rachel's like, ooh, Peter for the win.

Yeah. Because it's like a really kind of a nice tradition. And she writes to more first to many firsts this is very sweet yeah and then everything she does say now you're gonna see how terrible my handwriting is yeah which i found really relatable and then it all falls apart okay sorry i'm getting there i'm getting there um so rachel says you know speaking about that conversation we had earlier i want you to know i didn't come this far and put my life on the line just to have a boy. No, I didn't put my life on hold.

She didn't put her life on the line. I'm sorry. There's a rule where if you want to be the next Bachelor or Bachelorette, you have to fucking knife fight Chris Harrison. I didn't suspend myself. And a lot it's like where's wells wells fucking died he got killed by chris harrison they fought with their batleths um at the mountain's peak at high noon i didn't attach myself to this ticking time bomb i didn't solve a jigsaw-like bone puzzle. I didn't cut off both my butt cheeks for Jigsaw's puzzle of flesh just to get here and have a boyfriend. Yeah, that's what she says.

And she says, I could have done that. Like, I could have found a boyfriend without all of this. Could have found a fiance. Okay. Just like a quick side note. You also could have found a fiance without the help of this show. I get what she was saying here, but like you're Rachel,

you're getting, you would have done fine. I think. And she says, for me, a proposal is about wanting to cultivate a relationship. It's not anything necessarily more than that. And he says. The opposite thing.

Yeah. Engagement is marriage. I want to do it once. And Rachel says, well, I feel differently. And Peter's like, well, I don't know how we get through this. And they're talking. I don't know what to tell you. And I don't know.

Literally. The other one is like waiting for the other person to like, yeah, they're just saying, I don't know. And he says, I don't know how to move forward. And she says,

I don't have the answer for you, Peter. Um, and that's it. That's the episode. Rachel tells us that this is devastating to hear. She saw a future with Peter and just like that. Yeah.

For the first time ever, she's thinking that this might not work out. I think that's the cliffhanger. This conversation they're having seemed so it's, it's a very serious thing. Right. But it's also like, I think they were speaking largely in semantics where Rachel was saying,

for me, an engagement is a chance to get to know somebody. And he was saying, I think an engagement is like saying, okay, we're going to get married. Now let's pick a time and day. When at the end of the day, like if you both really love each other and you want to like, if you can decide, I guess in the next like week or so, that that is when it's like, this is the person you want to be with and all that shit doesn't matter.

And you'll probably just get engaged. Read that quote from the article that I sent you. Yeah. So there's a, Rachel sent me an article by Amanda Hess for the New York times. What happens when reality enters the reality of the bachelorette? I feel like it's maybe a little too, like it's,

it's doing a very inside baseball look at this like dilemma, but I, I like, I get it. One of the most captivating and disquieting aspects of The Bachelorette lies in how a significant proportion of the drama that is stirred up doesn't occur between the various personalities on the show, but between the contestants and the artificial demands of the show itself. The Bachelorette is ostensibly a show about finding a husband, but it's as much about attempting to manage one's public image while dodging the pitfalls baked into the show. The information deficits, the unreasonable romantic timeline, the insincere suitors who aren't in it for a wife, but for the lead role on the next season of The Bachelor. Rachel seems to be sincerely looking for a lasting romantic partner, but she's also looking for an ending

to the show that doesn't appear to embarrass her or diminish her rising star. The guy she chooses in the end will become her partner in both love and branding. I feel like that's kind of like a negative read on like Rachel's intentions. So it's cynical a little bit. Yeah. But I will say that part of me was thinking like, why doesn't Rachel just bend bend on this like she knows she cares about peter peter has reservations if she really loves him she'd be willing to be patient and wait until he's ready but then i thought like how does it look for her to be standing on that cliff and and get proposed i i i understand that i mean you could also say the same about peter

right like i i think it is unreasonable to propose to somebody after such a short span of time right but like i i think it's unfair to say like well why wouldn't rachel bend to what peter wants and not say like well why wouldn't peter just do what rachel wants and um also like and and this is why this is where i start to feel silly even talking about any of this is like how much of this is actually real and And how much of this is Peter is the frontrunner? And this is the same shit they do every time. And if that is what this is, they're doing a good job. Like, this time they're doing a good job because this feels like a very, very real conflict these two are having.

And so, like, that factors into it as well. And I will say, like, I don't know how it's gonna resolve this this conversation rachel and i breezed through it fairly quickly but this was the last like eight minutes of the episode was this conversation of them basically just like yeah just dueling on this a little bit of just like i'm not gonna i don't think proposing is a good way to like i don't think an engagement is a good way to get to know somebody i think an engagement's a good way to get to know somebody. I think it's marriage. And Rachel's saying like, I think it's just like a promise that you want to get to know somebody. And them being unable to reconcile that, like it's a huge conflict, right? And I don't want to undersell that.

It's just like, it's also the same thing that happens in every season of the golden child obvious winner getting, you know smeared right before the end yeah they make a real clear front runner and then they put a little doubt in your mind at the end to make it interesting i don't know how this resolves i think peter's still going to win just because you cannot deny the fact that the tone of the conversations that they have and that he has with the family is different than the conversations that eric and brian have um yeah i don't i don't know how it resolves i i thought this article was like i i don't think that like rachel's hesitation is because she like is afraid she's gonna look bad or whatever um i genuinely believe her her intentions i don't know this is really tough this is a this is a genuinely tough

situation that this show has sort of conjured up and put in front of us um which i guess is laudable yeah we'll see what happens we did get a teaser for the men tell all which looks unbearable can we not cover that i really don't want to i don't want to either let's not do it then fuck it hi everybody this is griffin fucking we're not going to do until all sorry it looks it looks super shitty like half the thing was like lee and kenny were mortal enemy no they weren't you were fucking like doing a different thing you piece of shit garbage show what's waboom doing these days no eat it eat eat 10 turds like i don't care what waboom is doing these days we'll we'll do something else next week okay um and then i don't care what Wabuma is doing these days. We'll do something else next week. Okay. And then I think there's, let me see,

next week is August 1st, and then it's August 8th, and then a week from that is BIP. So I think there's only one episode left after the next. Yeah, we should start talking about what we're doing next. Uh-oh. We'll figure it out. We got ideas. Yeah, we'll have some transition period hey we could do fucking boys x girls next door the translation the fan the fan translations

we got like two of those waiting for us babe and now we know what we're gonna do after we finish recording this let's stop right now uh thank you everybody for listening thanks to maximum fun for having us you can go to maximum fun.org check out all the great podcasts there. Thank you to everybody who's been sending us stuff at the P.O. Box. It's always so sweet. Once again, it's P.O. Box 66639, Austin, Texas, 78766. Thank you to those of you in the Facebook group that are writing really fun, nice things about us. Yeah, it's a hoot. And the iTunes reviews, too.

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Listener supported. The three of you enter a cave of a big red dragon and it's standing over a horde of precious golden rubies. And he says, what do you do, adventurers? I'm a dragon man. I cast fire on him. It's very good. I address the red dragon to say, Us, we're the hosts of The Adventure Zone,

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It's a podcast where we play Dungeons & Dragons together. It's a comedy podcast. We don't take the rules too seriously because there's a lot of them and we did not take the time to learn them. Maybe listen to us. We come out every other Thursday on the Maximum Fun Network.

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