Wonderful! - Roze Buddiez: Bachelor Pad Part One

Episode Date: May 2, 2017

After talking about it constantly during the span of this podcast, we're FINALLY discussing Bachelor Pad, the short-lived offshoot of the franchise we know and ... tolerate. Specifically, the second season of Bachelor Pad, which pops off very hard in the premiere and never really stops. MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

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This is the podcast that you have chosen to listen to today. Thank you for joining us. Every click is podcast that you have chosen to listen to today. Thank you for joining us. Every click is a little just a little present to us. Rachel's just giving me a pause finger, which is radio lingo for please vamp while I clear out my

diaphragm. Is your diaphragm clean? Clear out your diaphragm. Another radio lingo, babe. We've been at this for like a year and a half. You gotta know the radio lingo at this point. Can you give me some more lingo? Clear out your diaphragm or clear out your diaphragm. Terry says clear out.

Terry Gross? Yes. I'm familiar. You remember when we went to the radio professional conference and we met Terry Gross? Oh yeah, the RPC. The RPC, we met Terry Gross and she was very, very kind to us. Other lingo. Popping that booty.

Popping, yeah. Oh. And that's what we use instead of plosives sometimes. Like, you're really popping that booty. You need to put a thicker windscreen on. So, just got a nice text from my dad about my Star Wars short story. Thank you, Dad. A little boost to my ego.

I needed it at the start of this podcast. Hey, thanks for joining us, folks. Sorry that I'm coming a little hot on the program that we're going to end up watching for this episode. And then we changed it because we tried to watch the original. Okay, so we really wanted to do Bachelor Pad. We had kind of an itchy trigger finger one might say yes uh we we love bachelor pad and you've heard us talk about bachelor pad bachelor in paradise very fondly so we thought season one let's get in there oh my god we watched about 30 minutes

you took a lot of notes are we gonna go over those notes of no okay um here's the thing we should stop watching the first seasons of things because fuck like i think it takes a series sometimes some time to find its old sea legs it's kind of like when you get your haircut and it's a new haircut and you have to kind of figure out how to style it yes that's kind of what this is like the first episode the first season of bachelor pad let me um and we'll get into like the show that we actually watch and folks if you saw that facebook post go up and you went and watched the first season of bachelor pad sorry there is no end to the depths of my

sorrow for what i've done to you for the pox that I've brought to your household. The first season of Bachelor Pad is just like, check it out. We've got guys and ladies living together in the same house, a billion of them. You don't know any of them. Yeah, I know. 19 people you don't remember. That are just going,

and they're men and women living together, just screaming into each other's butts for like a month. And we have more women than men because there's been more seasons of The Bachelor, and we didn't really think this through. Didn't really think how to do this one. So we made it 30 minutes into it. And also, it was boring. It was fucking super boring. We didn't know anybody.

So we bailed, and we ended up watching the second season instead. And I'm so glad we did because fucking holy shit, was good television yes yes yes yes yes and to be fair griffin didn't know a lot of the people on this season either the only way he knew them was because they appear in bachelor pad season three which is the only season i've watched which was fucking hot hot television fire yeah um let's get into what bachelor pad is if you've watched bachelor in paradise which we've done now i mean you and i've done it since since the the beginning but we covered a season of it last uh last year and there will be another season of it coming up after rachel's season of the bachelorette um i've heard somebody in the group was saying that there's

going to be bachelor pad-esque game mechanics in bachelor in paradise how does anybody know that i don't know maybe the reality man you know the reality man yes uh is like he's got some scuttlebutt going on um but uh so the way bachelor pad works is cast offs usually cast offs sometimes the former bachelor or bachelorette uh show up and up and, um, in seasons two and three, which is all we're going to talk about. I think mostly season two, um, they pair up in a couples.

Um, I thought in season three, the couples were permanent. It was like a permanent thing, but here it seems like they can sort of move between couples at will. Uh, and they participate in challenges. If they win the challenge,

then they get to go on a date and they also get to pick a person to make immune in addition to the two of them. So there's like a survival survivor as like each week, a man and woman goes home. And if you win the challenge, you and your partner get to stay and you go out on a date. And at least in this first episode, we watched you get a rose that you can give to a friend. The big thing we haven't mentioned yet is there is $250,000. American dollars. L.A. bucks. Because they're in Los Angeles.

Rachel and I have this new thing. And it's anytime anybody drives an audible vehicle, which is basically anything other than a Toyota Prius outside of our house. We want to run out into the street and throw a brick through their fucking windshield. It's just because our baby's nursery faces the street. So every time a motorcycle goes by, Rachel and I look at each other like, how fucking dare you try to get from one point to another using our road as a means of access.

Griffin has literally talked about putting spikes in the road. Not spikes, but like a speed bump. I mean, we need a speed bump. God, I'm going to become a means of access. Griffin has literally talked about putting spikes in the road. Not spikes, but like a speed bump. I mean, we need a speed bump. God, I'm going to become a city councilman. So, yes. Also, maybe we should talk about this now. Maybe we want to wait. There is a dope-ass prisoner's dilemma-esque decision that comes at the very, very end of the game.

Well, we know that about season three. That might not. I'm pretty sure it happens in season two also yeah there's also some shit like that popping off in are you the one second chances that we haven't talked about really i think we talked about how gross it was starting out but um i've actually kind of enjoyed watching it mostly because geo who sucks got just royally screwed over in that decision game. Contestants can choose to steal or share the money, and it's the prisoner's dilemma.

So if you both share, then it's good for both of you. But if one steals and one shares, then the person who steals gets all of the money that you have in your pool or whatever. Do you know the origin of the expression? Prisoner's dilemma? Yeah, you use it a lot. Yeah, it's an old, like,

it's an old, like, I don't know the exact origins, but it's an old, like, psychological sort of premise. Is it from the show Prison Break? It's actually from the show Prison Break, yes. The idea was first created for the TV show Prison Break. It's an old show. Yeah. So, yeah, there's something like that, I think,

probably going to happen at the end of this season uh where the final couple gets to choose but it has that good good are you the one style um a thing happening where there is money at stake and there's a game happening but there's also romance happening and the intersection between those two is something that reality shows sometimes get real real gross and this show is no different uh trying to like capture this idea of like oh do i want the money or do i want the kisses and this show does it really really fucking spectacularly though i feel like also like for not knowing who most of the folks in this house are i was enraptured by the fucking sheer tonnage of the drama and the baggage that these, I can't believe all of these people are on one fucking season together.

It is mind boggling. Yeah. So they, you can tell that by the time this season of Bachelor Pad hit, they'd really kind of figured out how their show worked because there are enemies. figured out how their show worked because there are enemies. And maybe in the first few seasons, at least the ones we watched, you know, with Trista and Alex, Michelle,

you didn't really see that between contestants. Yeah. Um, but at this point, every contestant that comes on almost has somebody from their season that they're hoping won't be there. And Hey, guess what?

They always are. Or somebody that they are ex-fiances with twice there's two sets of ex-fiances in this fucking house and then there's a lot of people who have beef just from the little reunion right thing so on on top of that on top of that real world beef and tv show beef that's like exist there is this survivor layer of like, all right, I got to find five people. So we're in the majority vote a lot.

Like it's, it's, it's really good. It's really, really, it's a really, really good TV show. Yeah.

The one thing that's a little skeezy about it. I mean, there's a lot of really skeezy things about it, but the thing that like kind of, it's uncomfortable to watch because people are incentivized to be fake they are they are voted off by the opposite sex so the women um that leave leave because the men vote them off so they have every incentive and same with the men and the women to convince somebody that they have a real attraction and love so that they have a vote in their favor every week so you see a lot of really kind of like

skeezy behavior which also i mean in fairness also happens on bachelor in paradise which is just like i want to keep kicking it for free here in in cabo or whatever so i'm really tell me more about your family this one does have that so it adds a little layer i mean it's 200 listen i'll cut i'll edit this part out but 250 like can you imagine like even just being inconvenienced i'm just kidding it's a spectacular amount of money i would i would do any listen to me look at me. Look at these eyes. You can only see one of them behind the windscreen.

I would do it. Anything. Anything. God, this mic sounds so good. Let's get into it. Let's meet some of the losers that we're going to have on the show. We should also mention, season one of this show that I think going to have on this show. Season one of this show that I think we'll only bring up

as a point of comparison of how much better this show got, they were just like, alright, here's a bunch of randos without any sort of introduction really to speak of whatsoever. No, this was really smart because I think they recognize at this point that they have a lot of viewers that either haven't seen all the seasons or need a refresher

course. Yeah, Jake Pavelka was 14, season 14, I think. So that's like a fucking ton of like a library for them to pull from. So they needed some refreshers. And they were really useful for me because I don't know any of these fools. So the first person we see from Ali's season is rated R reality star, Justin, the wrestler. He calls himself that. It's bad.

It's not good. His whole thing from Ali's season was that he called his girlfriend while he was on the show and it got out that he had done that. Um, and it got out that he had done that. Uh, and then it became clear that him and his girlfriend had like colluded. Um, I thought this was Wes. Well, Wes also has a similar situation. Um, but, but basically Allie confronts him.

He is on crutches for some reason, uh, and hobbles away from her. Like literally like flees the scene when she confronts him. It's not funny that he is on crutches for some reason uh and hobbles away from her like literally like flees the scene when she confronts it's not funny that he was on crutches what is funny is that he fucking runs through some hedges to like go through to like escape and like literally like doesn't have an escape route because he's in some hotel hedges and so he like climbs a fucking fountain like watch this video it is the most hysterical like it's it's like a scene from the jerk it's like bud at some point you just got to turn around and go back and confront her so you can walk on a sidewalk again because you look like a huge goober also you call yourself the rated r reality star you're definitely going to go home first i'm not going to go through every single intro okay because there there are some just get to the

juicy ones michelle money i know her michelle money she was on bip i think last season right not going to go through every single intro okay because there there are some just get to the juicy ones michelle money i know her michelle money she was on bip i think last season right or this season before maybe yeah i don't know that she was on last season she was with cody she was we were really excited about those two didn't pop off between them um she's kind of a notorious villain but like the kind of villain that has a deep well of strategy uh so it's like hard not to respect her game because she's not like like a villain like for example corinne was a villain yeah i didn't know that she was a villain just because she was like i thought she was kind of sweet on bachelor in Paradise. Yeah, she was on Brad's season, and the women didn't like her because she would— She was very domineering, it seemed like.

Yeah, she would steal Brad away and then really aggressively, like, try and give him tips on who to eliminate, which was pretty— There's a clip they showed of her, like, grabbing him by the tie and saying, like, all right, let's go send some women home. Come on. There is—so we should mention, so there is gia gia yeah gia was on season one of bachelor in paradise she's also from jake's season yeah and i think in in 2013 she she died by suicide was it that long ago yeah and so uh which i only knew about because they opened up whatever season that was with like a little tribute tour. And I was like, that's, you know, tragic.

But I didn't know who she was. This is the first thing of Gia's that I've ever seen. And it's like, it's hard because like she's really, obviously it's sad whenever it happens. She's very sweet. But she's really, really, even judging by the like curve of Bachelor and bachelorette contestants like she's really um she's really sweet she's very sweet she has a very good relationship uh with jake who was the bachelor on her season um everybody is just crazy about her with the exception of one woman yes so she dated um wes who we alluded to earlier who also left the show because he had a a girlfriend

and i guess her gia and wes met up at one of the bachelor like get togethers and started dating and were very serious but um wes cheated on her with uh vienna with vienna uh who i think we probably talked about at some point because jake and vienna's public breakup was like the breakup like the biggest breakup that's ever happened on this on this whole franchise yeah mostly because they're both really awful yeah so we're not gonna take sides because it's impossible to take sides because they're both not great this is not us equivocating in this one episode of bachelor pad season two they both show their hands for being like jake being this completely superficial artificial robot person with no there isn't a single sentence this dude says the entire time that i'm not like holy shit this is all and he's reading this off a

script jake is very much like a politician um he He's very careful with what he says and his image. And Vienna is, I don't know. Vienna's tough. It's hard to tell. Imagine like a bachelor, like hyper villain. She was the big villain. She was one of like a couple villains that like won. And she's such a like hyper villain in that she tried. It seems like she's trying really hard to check all the bachelor villain she was one of like a couple villains that like won um and she's such a like

hyper villain and that she tried it seems like she's trying really hard to check all the bachelor villain boxes and it is really hard to tell where that stops and where vienna the person begins but all we get is all we see and all we see is like really really really awful awful behavior yeah um so they're there we should talk about their breakup because that's like the only thing that i knew them from before jake pavelka was we've talked about it we have yeah jake pavelka was the pilot um bachelor on the wings of love which you know they loved playing that that tune did they only play it at the proposal or was it like a constantly oh i love it we gotta watch that fucking season except no i don't want to spend any more time with jake um they did a a they're after the final rose or wasn't it after

the final rose or was it like a breakup special it was a breakup special it was its own special so chris harrison like moderated well for the two of them while they talked about what happened and the big like thing that happens is Jake says that Vienna sold their breakup. So they were engaged and he didn't expect anything. And then she just left and went and sold their breakup story to the tabloids. And Vienna sort of like protests this and they are like fighting. She doesn't deny it. She says her argument is that he deserved it and he yells he says he yells which i'm not gonna do it because our baby's next door

like uh please stop interrupting me and she breaks down into tears and gets up and leaves um that's like that was hi jake hi vian it's nice to meet you guys yeah um it was it was it was tough but like after watching this one season of bachelor pad it's just like it kind of seems like the two of you are playing almost to a comical extent these like he's comically robot bachelor and he is comically like bachelor contestant villain like it's it's out of control so Vienna is a contestant and she is there with her boyfriend

Casey from Ali's season I guess they also met at one of these reunion events Casey is famous for him he was one of the men that got to travel with Ali around the world.

Did you watch Allie's season? Yes, I did. Casey's big thing was that he was always talking about how he wanted to guard and protect Allie's heart. And he decided that he needed to make some kind of grand gesture. So he went out, snuck away, got a tattoo on the inside of his wrist of a heart. And I think it says like guard and protect on it. Showed it to her. She was understandably a little concerned and eliminated him that day.

Tasty, tasty little Parmesan stuffed meatball. I love that shit. He got a fucking tattoo of the TV catchphrase he came up with as a gift. It's so, it's so, it's so bad. All the things you did there, Casey, were bad and a half. And so he and Vienna are together. They are what is commonly called on this show a, quote, power couple. And this is something that

happened season one i guess but it's very well known in the house that you've got to break those couples up because they will yeah take each other to the end it's hi rosebuddies listeners this is a gift we get like how many layers deep are we right now and we haven't even gotten to like half of the like the contestants but already there's like a woman who was on the show who dated a guy who cheated on her with this woman who is dating this guy that she's bringing into the house oh and by the way also jake pavelka is also a contestant on bachelor pad season two yes he is uh so is um erica from lorenzo's season he was the prince right yes we have never seen lorenzo's season but we have seen erica on season three uh and she is she was a boss in season three yeah

she uh has a tremendous amount of clout with the group but she is kind of a ridiculous figure yeah they paint her as sort of a like hippie paris hilton i think is like kind of what they go for in this intro cut which like she she was like oh i was really immature on my season uh but now i've grown up a lot but she still shows up night one wearing a tiara literal tiara yeah which is surprising because in season three she is the shadow broker operating in the back like taking control of the game yeah um let's see here's the other couple that was engaged and is now not uh holly and michael uh also met through a reunion event we need to do some research on these reunions yeah it's a fucking bacchanal apparently uh was we were trying to figure this out and did you look at was holly on bip because i know michael was

i don't know holly looked really familiar but i don't know i don't i don't remember like i don't remember what from well i don't think michael was on bip i think he was just on season three of bachelor um they were engaged for like a year and she called it off uh and so there's still a lot of feelings she called it off and then they got back together and then he like couldn't deal with just like dating after they broke off their engagement and so he broke up with her the second time yeah and that was a couple of months ago yeah and now they're living in this house competing in this love game together living in this house competing in this love game together this future sex love sound um michael is a michael's like um we're big fans i love michael man he was in season three bachelor pad that's the only thing i ever saw him and i didn't see his season of ali's season i guess

um and he is like all-time top tier audience surrogate like ever in every episode of bachelor pad season three, he'd be like, all right, let me break down all the dumb shit that's happening right now. He's a great narrator. He's really, really great. And so those are kind of the highlights.

We have some other people, but I wasn't terribly excited about them. Yeah. Just cause either they were not memorable to me or they were on a season. I didn't watch. And so everybody comes out of cars. They each get their own individual car. Wasteful.

Wasteful, ABC. And they greet Chris and then walk into the house. Justin's the rated R superstar or rated R reality star was like the most corndog shit like ever. Like, oh, you're going to talk to me, Chris Harrison? And Chris, yeah, yeah, I am. Part of me wanted him to like jump over the big fountain that's in the front yard of the Bachelor house. So I would say that the best part of this

are like kind of the awkward conflict. So everybody seems to kind of know who, know their villain is going to be there,, know their villain is going to be there, like know their enemy is going to be there. So the first example of that we get, which we haven't talked about yet, I guess we did with Gia and Vienna. Yeah, Gia and Vienna.

Vienna did not know, Vienna knew that Jake was going to show up and that was really uncomfortable because it created this like pretty gross dynamic where casey was like well i might have to kick his ass um i gotta protect i gotta protect vienna you know i gotta guard and protect her heart um also at this point casey is talking about how he thinks of himself as this cerebral assassin he's like i'm not gonna beat him up but uh you know i'm gonna make some big moves because I'm going to control this game.

And it's like, all right, guard and protect your heart. Sure you are. But while Vienna is, like, stressing about Jake showing up, Gia walks in and she's like, uh-oh, your boyfriend cheated on you with me. Yeah. Yeah. So there's this awkward moment where Gia is saying hello to everybody and Vienna is standing there. And Gia very politely says hello and then turns her whole body away from Vienna. And you can tell Vienna's like, trying to see if she can pretend like nothing happened. And that is not going to be the case. for this whole episode like vienna is kind of gunning for gia which i think kind of tells you the person she is like she kind of like wants gia out of the house because she is uncomfortable with the fact that somebody who she kind of wronged is had the audacity to also participate in this game

yeah exactly like she she so badly does not want to go to gia and like apologize for what she did that she wants to vote her off the show so that she doesn't have to have that uncomfortable conversation. The other thing that happens is Holly arrives. This is Mike's ex and immediately likes Blake and realizes that this is going to be very hard for her to pursue because Michael is going to be there. But she's very excited about Blake. And one of the reasons she gives is because he uses big words. And the example we get of him using a big word is the word dysfunctional. Hey, I mean, get you a lot of points on Scrabble. So, yeah, apparently Blake turns out to be quite the Lothario based on the season preview.

There's a teaser that several women have issues with old Blake. So when Michael Stagliano arrives, he goes out to where Holly is, and they have a very awkward conversation. Not awkward. Not as awkward as I would assume. What do you say to your ex-fiancee who is participating

in this dating game with you? I don't know. What do you do? It's just like it's exploitative obviously that they were all put on together um but then there's also just this layer of of like none of this could be real like you are you're a contestant on a reality show and you you were with somebody and it was always because of a reality show like don't you have to kind of take some

maybe ownership i can't i can't fully lean into believing that and also believe in like the like ryan and trista uh sean and katherine like love stories that come out of this thing but i do think like oh yeah that's that's a real thing i think if somebody meets somebody it wasn't even on the show that um michael and and holly met it was at another like another thing and then they got engaged and then they have to participate in this blood sport together where they might date other people in front of each other and yeah sure they agree they knew that the other person was going to be there and they agreed to be on this show so they are culpable to an extent but like good yeah i think it's i think it's safe to say that it is exploitative yeah to some degree

no that's true um uh and so the very last person to arrive uh and throughout the night we have seen vienna's anxiety level go up and up and up and up and make sure that she has told everybody in the house that she is anxious about the arrival of the last person, which ends up being Jake. Jake comes out of the car and immediately starts talking to Chris about how he is there to get closure with Vienna, that his main goal is to get closure with Vienna. And he just already comes across as very polished very calculating in that like he has come to the show for a particular reason but he has also thought very deliberately about how he's going to do some image control yeah of how he knows he came out looking at the end of

the last he's not here for the season he's not well not even the last season at the end last season it's how he looked after he yelled at a woman on on television um and so his whole thing is just i'm here to save i'm here to fix vienna it's like dude she seems all right um i'm not even i'm not here for the money all right man get i'm not that's not even a good impression he doesn't sound like wolverine he sounds like the most bullshit like weatherman you've ever ever ever seen uh a great example of this is he's going around and he's shaking hands and and meeting people and he meets casey who is vienna's boyfriend and says oh oh hi i know who you are terrific nobody has ever used the word terrific

sincerely when a dress especially not when addressing their ex-fiance's current bow like all right buddy and then they talk a lot about the weather they like stand outside and they're like oh yeah it gets gets really hot during the day and really cold at night here doesn't it are you guys cold must be yeah it just rained all week it was like um dialogue from the room or something it was really really rough and then when he goes inside, Vienna's like, who talks about the weather? Yeah, this is when Casey says, like, I know I can't touch him because if I touch him, I'll get sent home. But I am mentally beating the crap out of him. The game hasn't even started yet.

You are not capable of doing that. You don't possess the abilities to do that, Casey. I'm already in control of this game. Why? because he came to you and had a polite conversation i'm mentally dominating him because i made him talk about the bad weather uh so at this point jake sits down with gia uh because as we've heard their friends from their season and he explicitly tells her like i really just want to settle things with Vienna. I really want to just figure this out, you know, and get some closure. And Gia's like, you need to go up right now and tell Casey that you're happy for them and that, you know, you just want the best.

Because if Casey has too much to drink, I'm worried that things are going to get violent. And Jake tells the camera that he is scared for his safety which like i mean because of this hypothetical situation that gia just told him about so casey doesn't seem like somebody that would would take out your teeth i think you think so i don't want to cast aspersions especially not on a public medium insult no but i think that this this behavior of just like I've got to protect this woman and guard her heart and protect her because she needs to be protected and have her heart guarded

also goes hand in hand with I'm too drunk so I'm going to go fucking punch somebody I guess so I've not met a person who has the first thing that also kind of doesn't have this the second thing. So Jake and Casey have a conversation. Jake says, you know, I don't want to get in the way of you two.

I just want you both to be happy. And Casey says, you know, I know there's two sides to every breakup. But what I've heard of you like really, really hurts me because I care about her. And Jake's like, well, I'm not a threat to your relationship. And Casey's like, yeah, I know that. He says, but you know, it's just hard for me to see her hurting. And Jake's like, it's because you love her, man. I can't believe how much of this conversation you wrote down word for word.

It was worth writing down. And then Jake's like, I'm just glad that she's with the kind of guy that would take her side because she needs that. And then that's it. That's the conversation. It was a conversation between two dudes, one of which genuinely believes

he needs to guard and protect another person's heart. And those exact words in a literal way, I think, where he needs to cup it in his hands and fight off like bugs or whatever. And another dude who is also doing that same exact shtick but because he needs to repair his television persona and there's layers and

layers and layers and layers and layers to it where the conversation went absolutely nowhere because jake was just like you know i'm so glad for you that you're in love yeah we're in love and uh you know i'm i i just you know i to watch out for her. Yeah, definitely. I like that you watch out for her. Like, all right, guys. uh and you know maybe he does feel genuine remorse like i don't think he's a monster but i do think that he is very deliberately putting forward uh a revitalized brand which like to do to do what with i i mean i don't know this was before dancing with the stars is on the air i think so what's the next step in your career trajectory? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

But I get I mean, I get it. You know, like he can't handle the idea that the majority of America thinks that he is despicable. I get that. Yeah. But maybe here's just a thought. Don't be despicable. Yeah.

You can just be like, cool. Like he never says anything i'm just like oh cool the whole time it's not just like these fucking nachos rule nothing like that it's just like you know i'm so happy that you are there to take care of her and i can tell what that says about you as a man like fuck off dude if once he was just like these nachos though hey do we have any more nachos does anybody want to make some nachos these nachos are terrific these nachos are terrific i love the way the cheese drips no just the nachos are dope the nachos are dope you can't even say it the nachos are dope no god uh so at this point chris harrison comes out explains the show the 250,000 part the fact that they'll be voting each other off and then he says the first challenge you'll

be competing as a couple uh so he kind of sets that evening he says like hey tomorrow you better have a buddy because we're going to ask you to compete together, which adds kind of a new element to the evening. Okay, so the couples for the next challenge. And it's just for the challenge, right? It's not a permanent, because I swear in season three, it was like a permanent deal. I mean, we'll see. We've only watched the first episode.

Yeah, that's true. So I will say some of the interesting things that happen, Ames, who's from Ashley's season, is very aware of the power couple stigma. So he actually likes Jackie, but decides not to partner with her specifically so that they won't get a target on their back. Yeah, it's like next level. It's some next level play, but it's also weird because then if either of you win with your other partner, you go on a super romantic date with that partner instead of this person that you actually like. I don't know. Yeah.

So Jackie ends up partnering with Jake Pavelka. With Jake. Yeah. And Mike, Michael Sagliano partners with his ex-fiancee, Holly. Yeah. Which, who knows what's going on there. Who knows? We don't really get a good look.

We don't get the peephole into that one. Pretty crazy. What else we got here? I mean, Vianna and Casey team up, of course. Of course. And talk about how they're both in the best shapes of their lives and ready to take on whatever the world has to offer yes uh gia partners with um some dude i don't know some dude i don't know will i think is his name okay um but so the challenge is they walk out there are nine beds and everyone's like whoa what is this is some kind of sex challenge are we gonna and then

chris harrison appears and says yes get busy that's where you win that song that's my bonus song you know that dude come on there are folks hearing that right now that are just getting fucking psyched sexually. I mean. Oh, see, Griffin didn't mention this, but he's always wearing headphones. And so I didn't realize that's what he was listening to when we would bone. Yeah. And while we record this podcast, I'm wearing headphones right now.

And you think it's so I can monitor our mic? No, it's actually just so I can listen to 311s masterpiece their magnum opus amber parentheses is the color of your brackets energy it's like an ee cummings phone the title of that song uh so the challenge is called hookup because what happens is they are, each couple is suspended above the bed through some carabiners and bungee cord situation. Like aerialists. Do you climb, dude? Because you got all the... Do you climb?

What's your latest summit? 12. 12? Mount 12? Yeah, I know i got up 12 shit dude what brand of pittance do you use dude well uh i've got the the chalk that you have uh and the shoes oh you gotta have the chalk a little bag i was i was trying to summit um fuji and the steep side and uh hands are too damn wet couldn't do it didn't have my chalk had to go to a elementary school steal the chalk so uh but i got up fuge i call it the fuge

you can't call it that until you summon it, though. So, I think we should talk about the winner of the sex challenge. But first, maybe, can I steal you away? Started low. You messed me up. No, I did not. You i did not you were perfect you are perfect i wouldn't change a thing i do need to start again i gotta start okay right here that's where you started last time

oh I want to do like it was slowed down, you know? Oh, shit. Like it was slowed down to a slower speed. Do you want to read this first Jumbotron message or do you want me to read this first Jumbotron message? I would like to read it. Oh, shoot. Okay.

You got me over a barrel here. This message is from sarah it is for alex ally alton aaron liz ben rosie and trevor really getting your money's worth here in the jumbotron my hashtag rose buddies exclamation point hey don't co-opt our brand here we've worked really hard to get that that that hashtag that is definitely only used by a private very active minecraft server we should hop in there sometime what do you think they do there how much you know about minecraft you want to unpack that um there it's block ish and you make things out of the blocks basically that's it yeah

so i don't i don't really get it. No, that's literally 100% it. Like, why is that a thing that people are into? You tell me. There's also, like, pigs, and I think you can raise them. Now I'm speaking your language. You didn't know that there was animal husbandry. I'm so glad Griffin andin and rachel and twitter brought us together you are truly the

best internet friends a girl could ask for i thought you would get a kick out of me supporting the show in your names you are the champagne and craft services fueling the cocktail party of my life please rename the group chat in my honor that was a very sweet message but it gave me this weird um craving that i don't know i've ever had before i really want some fucking champagne like right now it's been we have some in our fridge we have a nice bottle of champagne that was given to i think as a birthday present it was given to us um maybe for rachel's premiere episode of the bachelorette maybe we get some of that bubbly, life is lovely. Oh, yeah.

That'll be nice. That would be really, really nice. I have another Jumbotron message. This one is for Saffron, and it's from Blake, who says, Saff, I hope you're excited to hear Rachel and Griffin tell you that living with you and Anik. Ah, shoot. I'm usually so good at these. I usually just run right at the names.

Anik? Here's a YouTube video. Here I will teach you how to pronounce. Anika. Anika. I have a lovely teacher. Her name is Anika. Now wait, this is some fucking YouTube video about how to pronounce it,

but it's like Microsoft Sam teaching me how to. All right, Anika it is. That's the most work I've ever put into anything in my whole life um i hope you're excited to hear rachel and griffin tell you that living with you and annika in art school hell has been weird and great hey living with you and annika in art school hell has been weird and great it's been weird and great uh i hope that even after we graduate college soon we'll still drunkenly watch bad tv together and find the grossest glitter hell man to get attached to i love you almost as much as i love the kitchen i love the kitchen that's in all caps for so it's it's uh uh it's like capitalized like a proper noun i don't know why uh love blake oh no sorry love blake it wasn't a demand that you love like right now um congratulations on

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Find it every Wednesday at MaximumFun.org or wherever you download podcasts. Thanks, Judge John Hodgman. So back to the challenge. The sexual swing challenge. The men are harnessed in and then the women have to hold on to the men using their bodies uh so like arms legs etc you know it's very parts very erotically charged if this bothers you the first challenge in the first episode of season one of bachelor pad was just a big old game of twister that was literally just like yeah you know this butt's all over there's a

butt near my face but near my face and so i just just went boner wild for it it was the worst shit uh so the beds are below the harnesses to catch the women when they are dropped uh which i was worried about didn't look safe didn't look yeah i told griffin i was like hey griffin don't worry there's a bed they'll be fine i just have expected like one woman to fall 10 feet volley off of the bed fly 10 feet into the ground because of the second law of thermodynamics or whatever and then plummet but no there's a reason like airplanes like don't land on a bunch of beds. Like, it's not...

You're saying you wish these women would fall 10 feet onto a tarmac? Well, or the women's. The women's would be like planes. So, walk me through this. I don't want to. In this challenge, you have to hold onto the women

who are going to be outfitted with full hang gliders. I will also say, in the dude's defense, it seemed like they got much worse in the injury department because Jake's leg looked like it was about to rot off. It was like dark purple. It was awful to look at and see. Yeah. So most people are out within like 10 to 15 minutes, but 30 minutes in, it's still Jake and Jackie and Vienna and Casey. And Casey and Jake are in a lot of pain. As Griffin mentioned, there's a lot of numbness, like visible numbness in Jake's leg. Casey is also complaining of a lot of numbness like visible numbness in jake's leg uh casey is um also complaining of a lot of pain vienna is determined though she is saying we can't let jake win this because he would get immunity and their whole goal is to get him out as soon as possible

she's also saying stuff like you promised me you'd never let go and it's like yeah vienna my legs are purple because the blood's not in him anymore yeah casey was in a tremendous amount of pain and vienna was not having it uh but eventually uh he let her go which means that jake and jackie jake and jackie win which Which means that Jake, who was a big target in the house, is immune. And also, Jackie, who Ames is really into, is going on a date with another dude because they didn't want to partner up and make themselves a power couple. I will say one of my favorite lines from Casey during this challenge, Vienna is kind of shit talking while she's hanging.

And he says, baby, don't talk. It ruins my strength um jake jake's strategy uh was he pictured that he was holding jackie over a 3 000 foot cliff and that if he dropped her she would fall to her death but that the other thing you didn't hear i don't think is that after he said that we paused it so i could write it down but then we started the uh the video back up and jake said but you know what i told myself i said there's a helicopter coming in 10 minutes so just hold on for 10 more minutes the helicopter's not there to save them. It's just whenever anybody on The Bachelor sees a helicopter now,

it gives them strength like fucking Krypton's red sun or whatever. So as soon as Vienna and Casey lose, they storm off. Yeah, they go straight to the hot tub. And then they have an argument. A really great argument. But only after Chris shows up and gives the two winners the roses and explains you're gonna go on a date but not only that you're gonna get a third rose that you can give out to somebody in the house and this to me is like the most delectable sort of

strategic like twist of the whole thing because if you if you want to challenge you and your partner are safe by handing out that single rose like there's so much politics that go into that. But not only that, you are potentially breaking up a couple. Like that rose could be used to break up a couple in the house. Because one person gets it and the other person doesn't. It's really, really fascinating. Yeah. So this fight that Vienna and Casey have.

So they are sitting silently in the hot tub for what seems like a long time. And then Vienna says, I was kind of expecting a little bit more of you. And she explains that he said that he would never drop her and the fact that he did really let her down. Literally. And she's like very upset with him. And he says, don't rub it in my face. And then Vienna says, you made me a promise.

We wouldn't fight on camera. And then Casey says that there's no reason for her to take it out on him. And Vienna is telling us the viewer that, that Casey has said that he would protect her, but he is not protecting her. Remember that all this stemmed from the fact that he held up her body mass for one half of an hour until his arms were popping out of their sockets. And so he was in so much tremendous pain that his body could not hold up this woman anymore for another second. And how dare you break your promise to me?

It's like you promised that you would just let your body completely die up there. Here's the thing. here's the thing here's the thing so the reason this seems like extra upsetting is that if griffin and i were doing this challenge and griffin were like um my legs are numb and i'm in a tremendous amount of pain i would say griffin i care about you let me go i i don't want to put you through this yeah well you would say set me down gently on the bed don't drop me 10 feet nobody wants that but uh that has been not vienna's concern we find out a little bit later on that vienna's maybe not in it for this relationship as much as we maybe originally thought um but they also have like another mini fight that the show wants to

show us immediately after this fight where they're in a palapa somewhere and just like having it out and she's like i feel like you're being so mean to me and you're just ignoring me this whole time and that's the line that he's like i'm ignoring you yeah she's like well that's how i feel it's so it's such like this is the stuff i'm talking about like obviously this is really really childish and unhealthy behavior how much of it is like you are performing as vienna the famous bachelor villain and how much of it is just like that's who you are because if it's that latter one i have no patience for you yeah because because Casey is clearly the most devoted partner ever in the history. He wants to guard of time.

Yes. He wants to guard and protect her heart. They do seem to make up by the end of the conversation, at which point Casey says that he loves her more than peanut butter cookies. And this is when just like, y'all, my bones left it around the weather discussion that they had earlier. Um,

it's Sunday now. And I haven't seen those bones since because of, because of this, it got on a plane. Griffin, what, what snack food do you love me more than Jesus? I mean, I love you more than eating.

Wow. That's big. I guess. I mean, same. Same here. I would fucking hope so. Although, I don't know that barbacoa soup that i just ate for dinner was pretty fucking pretty fucking good i never did taste any of that no i'll do that

and you never will because i love that barbacoa soup from el cholito more than you my wife sorry babe this whole time it was just an act to me you're just a person who owns a car I can use to drive and go buy barbacoa soup from El Cholito. I want to guard and protect that soup. And look at this. What's on my arm, babe? I haven't showed this to the soup. I got a tattoo of the soup cup. And what's it say?

Soup's on? It says soup's on. Shit. soups on it's a soups on it shit uh so after this uh once we know that uh jake and jackie are going to be immune this is when the strategy starts really kicking up we find out that Vienna and Casey and Michelle Money and Graham think of themselves as the final four. And in that alliance, they also think that they have Kirk, Holly, Michael Stagliano, Erica, for sure. And then there's two more that they know they need if they want to get the votes. And the two they think they can get are uh ally and justin the rated r

who both of them are ally and justin are not like great i don't know why these are the people that you've decided to like build the which you have to keep in mind like i know just threw a bunch of names at you just to like sort of do it in like raw numbers there's nine men and nine women and so into in order to ensure that who goes home you want to go home you need five on on both and so they had four and they needed a fifth one and they went for the the shitty villain pro wrestler and i think ali was his partner in this challenge right and like as soon as soon as they got together uh and pitched him on the group they're like listen if you're part of the five then you don't have to sweat it for four weeks oh he didn't partner with her no rated r partnered with ella oh right okay um still they

came to these two and said partner with us and and you'll be in the majority and you won't have to sweat things for four four challenges and so Justice is like, all right. Yeah, you can tell he really relishes having any kind of power whatsoever. And so when he realizes he's the swing, he's like, well, I could go with them or I could do what I do, which is, you know, go rogue. A rabble rouse.

The R stands for rabble rouser. It doesn't actually at the beginning when he meets up with Chris Harrison, he says, hey, I'm not here to talk. He like walks right past me. He's like, I'm not here to talk he like walks right past me he's like i'm not here to talk hey rated r reality star this time the r stands for revenge and it's like fuck off dude your shit sucks and he immediately goes and blabs and gets caught and he's like yeah so he immediately does what a lot of people do on survivor for example when they get invited into an alliance last minute.

He goes and tells all the people that we're not in that conversation. And one of the people that he tells is Allie, and she feels really annoyed that Graham thought that he could get her, pull her into the fold. And so she confronts them. Then they all know that Rated R told on them. And now Rated r stands for regret because he's gonna lose the game yeah because how bad he did at playing it

uh and so that kind of changes the dynamic significantly in that moment the only other talk about um another guy who's gonna go home is I forget who, Blake, I think is the one that floats Casey going home. Yeah. Vienna's boyfriend, guard and protect your heart, because he wants to break up that power couple. Oh, wait, we didn't even talk about who the solo rose went to. Well, we haven't talked about their date yet. Oh, right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah, so on Jake and Jackie's date, they go to Hollywood Boulevard.

Um, they run into, and see, I wasn't watching at this point. Yeah. So they run into like this little girl who's like crying her eyes out because she saw Jake Pavelka. Um,

and she's apparently she and her mom are from Jake's hometown. Um, and so she just like loses it seeing Jake Pavelvelka and at this point jackie's like oh i don't really know jake that well and uh i kind of wish i was on this date with ames but i guess i'll try to have a good time and get to know him and sees this and he's like oh maybe he's sweet and then i don't know how throughout the rest of their date she doesn't realize like no he kind of is bad um but they there's this big marquee at the el capitan theater that says jake and jackie here's the best seats in the house and so they end up actually having dinner on top of that marquee

overlooking uh hollywood boulevard yeah and so they say that that they don't want to talk strategy they just want to enjoy the moment but immediately jackie asks about the vienna breakup uh and this is how jake tells it so jake says that they had been together about eight months and had normal problems, which, you know, I. OK, so Griffin and I, eight months, normal problems, dishes, probably. That's still a very normal problem. Maybe Jake would leave my shoes out. OK okay is this what we're doing now are we just airing out um yeah he tells his whole like she sold our breakup stories the whatever um uh yeah apparently she like left her ring moved out um and he thought that maybe they'd get back together. And then he also says, and this is when Griffin and I just like gave up on Jake entirely, or at least I did.

Jake's like, yeah, that evening where we did the breakup special, I just made a fool of myself and I lashed out at her. And I just thought to myself, I remember having this thought. I said, man, I'm so mad at her. I can't believe she looks so good tonight. Oh, bud. Cool. Come on. Cool.

It's like danced around. Like, are you still in love with Vienna? I think I still am still in love. The part of me is always going to be, you know, that wasn't just my girlfriend. She was my fiance. He says that six times this episode. Like, bud, you can't say that multiple times per episode or else it makes it sound like your fucking catch phrase it's it's the guy is so full of dog shit like who has ever broken up with somebody and

like seeing them later and just been like man i was just so mad like they're just such an attractive person. That's not how that line of logic even works. I don't know. So they start talking. She basically says, like, I don't want to decide who to give this extra rose to. I leave it up to you. Yeah, Jackie's like, this is really hard.

I don't want to have to do it. But you know what you should do? You should think about giving the rose to Vienna as a nice gesture of goodwill. I think she phrases it like, are you thinking about giving it to him? I don't know that it's such an open... No, I think she suggests it. Oh, wow. Jeez.

Okay. And that was like all the permission that Jake, who obviously up to this point was thinking, I'm going to give this rose to Vienna like needed. This is, again, his comeback tour. I'm sorry I yelled at you on tv 2014 this day we're hitting up la we're hitting up phoenix it's gonna be sick and my next stop in this tour is give vienna immunity and that will make up for the time that i yelled at you on television jake like tests this with a few people like he actually talks to rated r and and radar is like hey

people like he actually talks to rated r and and radar is like hey if vienna got the rose do you think she would give it to you and he's like oh no no it's like do you think if you weren't immune vienna would send you home like oh yeah probably he's like what are you doing he goes and gia says the same thing g is like you can't be this stupid g is hurt by this Gia thinks like, Gia, when Vienna was at the house and Gia had just showed up so things were kind of uncomfortable between the two of them, Vienna's like talking a bunch of trash about Jake saying like,

we need to get him out first because she was at the house first so she like had time to align the troops and Gia was the only person being like, no, Jake's great. You're going to meet Jake and you're going to like him. He's great.

Don't have any preconceived. So like, I think she's, she thinks a lot of, she genuinely thinks a lot of jake and so when jake comes is like yeah i think i'm gonna give it to vienna she's like what are you fucking talking about and he says well vienna listen it's not and she's like i'm gia what are you what's wrong with you yeah yeah gia is really upset because she thinks of everybody there jake's the one that has her back and it's very clear that he is not even thinking about it uh and also also gia is a she was on the

first bachelor pad and so her name is kind of tossed around is like oh she's a veteran she's going to be a power player in this game we need to get her out like she is a she is a uh a target for a lot of folks especially vienna who is in charge of this big major alliance and doesn't want to be in the house with somebody whose boyfriend she stole and so just like to avoid having that conversation she wants to get gia out and gia knows that so she's like that rose would be pretty cool yeah but no no jake gives it to to Vienna and then immediately asks Vienna and Casey if they'll go talk to him, which, you know, they have to because he's got the rose. And so Jake is apologizing and specifically apologizing for saying, quit interrupting me. And we see him

talking to the camera later saying, it feels so good to have this closure. You know, and he's telling Vienna, you know, we were just two wrong people trying to make something work. And conversation ends. We go to Vienna. Vienna is not swayed. Vienna says that he makes her sick, that it was torture having that conversation, that he's a phony robot, a complete monster.

And then Vienna goes to Casey and feels renewed in her love for Casey and says a string of things to Casey. She says, I love you. You know, I love you. I want to marry you. I'm going to have your babies. You're my everything. You're my everything. And like, I don't know why she's

maybe because casey was feeling yeah maybe the insecure or whatever i gave vienna the rose i don't know but jake leaves that conversation thinking that they are on the road to friendship yeah i don't understand why casey would feel upset by that and not like uh thanks to the rose sucker or maybe because casey thought like oh shit i might be going home and she's not going to and that that is that is there's so many little tasty layers to this fucking game uh but then we do get footage of them like hooking up in yeah casey casey tells the camera jake is a master manipulator, but you're not better than me. The cerebral assassin.

You didn't fucking do anything. I know. Dude. There's nothing manipulative about Casey. No, not at all. Casey is like, he's pure as... I don't know about that. Well, he has this vibe that he's guileless is what he seems like to me.

He's guileless is a good name. A good name for him what he seems like to me. Guileless is a good name, a good name for a good name for, for guileless Baltar. Um, can we get to the game, the tasty votes and the politicking and all that? Is there anything else? Yes.

So Gia and kind of a last ditch effort. Cause she knows she's in trouble, goes to Casey and says, Hey Casey, your name is out there. You're in trouble trouble some of the women want to vote you off i could guarantee your safety if you can guarantee me mine and she totally convinces him basically says if you don't vote for me i won't vote for you and i saw this thinking like this is not going to work they're definitely going to vote for each other and whatever they they end up not doing it and if they had i figured this

out later if they had voted for each other but those two people would have gone home the two people ajiya and casey if they had voted for each other and not held up their promise they both would have gone home right there's something very poetic about that i really like this like dual tribal council thing that happens every episode of this because there's like there's just so much stuff to be like to keep in to keep in mind um obviously there's not stuff like the hidden immunity idol or those kinds of variables floating around but i don't know i think it's interesting no i do too i i like the kind of the fluidity of the alliances like that they're going to change week to week based on kind of who the

next to go out is uh the two people who do go home by the way they present this in like a proper rose ceremony oh and can you talk about how people vote what that process is like oh yeah so this is like the deliberation room again um people take the photo of the person they want to go home and they put it in a box. But you don't see what photo they drop in the box. Yeah, you don't know what photo it is. Sometimes they'll say like a little quip and then you'll like figure out, oh, that's probably who it was. Yeah.

But yeah. Rated R, R must stand for returning home. Yeah, Justin ends up being a target and he finds out and his biggest regret is that he hasn't even swam in the pool yet this broke my heart he says i don't listen because he cut the veneer parts a little bit this like bad boy wrestler heel veneer uh and he's like i really want to i know i went home um from bachelor on bad terms and i just you know i do i really want to be here and i want to participate and i haven't even gotten in the pool yet that's all i really wanted to do was get in the pool i was like oh

buddy that's really sweet i just haven't even played the mini golf course yet don't send me home don't send me home i spot a bunch of fruit roll-ups i don't know they're not gonna let me back in the pantry to get the fruit roll-ups if i get sent home please there's this conditioner in the bathroom and i haven't even used it yet but it looks really good please i just want to swim sweet guy oh now i feel bad i've built up all this mythos well his exit's pretty pretty epic yeah so he gets sent home ally gets sent home and uh on radar's way out he grabs the rose off of jake's lapel and says i'm not leaving here without a rose and like pins it to himself uh yeah okay cool and ali's like i don't understand why i went home but all right bye it was brutal

actually while ali was like still walking to the car like vienna was like leading this celebration yeah here's what i don't get wait also also rated r refuses to shake anybody's hand yeah uh at which point mike says that doesn't go well um and he uh calls out casey and says like well clearly casey voted to keep gia so you gotta watch out that's a great point that's what i wanted to talk about like vienna was like no who you're gonna trust gia uh who i don't know what you're even talking to or your friends and your girlfriend and casey ended up keeping his promise to gia um which i didn't i fully fucking expected gia to go home episode one but she didn't and i guess vienna's just cool with that because nothing really happens there's no like maybe they're saving it for

episode two but yeah i i have to imagine casey like clued her in and they like came up with some way maybe she really did believe that casey would have gone home yeah if not for gian so they're using her to stay another week. So we get the season preview, which I think we're going to be doing a few episodes of Rosebuddies on this because it's the most fun I've had watching a show for this podcast in a while. It's only six episodes, so

we'll probably do a couple of episodes. I don't think every episode will be three hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, it was 126 minutes, which I think averages out to 41 which i think is the length of a television show without commercials anyway um it was it's really really really good so in the season preview we see there's a lot of stuff with mike and holly coming up where like holly mike thinks they're gonna get back together and holly starts like hooking up

with blake but then blake is hooking up with like a bunch of different people and we also get this like we also get this monologue from vienna who's like oh i don't give a shit about casey i just i just want the money if i had to choose between casey and 250 000 sorry buddy like all right yeah um so that's so yeah so if you want to watch along with us, there's a link in the Facebook group. So if you are not in our Facebook group, you should join and you can watch this with us. Uh, thank you to the person who uploaded that. Um, we are very, very, very grateful. We've been wanting to do this for a very long time.

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