Wonderful! - Roze Buddiez: International Date Line

Episode Date: August 30, 2017

Oh, you haven't heard of International Date Line? It's only the hot new romantic television property created by Rachel and Griffin, two of Hollywood's most in-demand pitchmasters. Join them as they develop this show in this special episode of Rose Buddies! MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

Maybe you should go and do some contemplating. Right reasons, right reasons. Me and my girl were all the right reasons. Right reasons, right reasons. Me and my girl were all for teasing. I'm the best of it, and I'm rapping to your poolside. Here to find truth. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy.

Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is Rose Buddies. Why did we have a burger party right before? We keep doing this where we put our sweet, sweet little boy down into his angelic bed where he will dream and slumber about who knows what. Who knows what thoughts that little silly brain is putting together. He doesn't know anything. And right after we do that, we eat 10 pounds of hamburgers like fucking the guy from Popeye. And then we sit down to record

a podcast just full of our lugubriousness. I believe you mean Wimpy. Wimpy was his name. Oh, thank you, baby. I forgot the name Wimpy. Why did we have a burger party and then decide to make, you know, comedy or, you know, sort of biting criticism, whatever today's Rose buddies will bring down the pipe. Why do we do that to ourselves? Um,

I think because we wanted something to talk about at the beginning of the show, that would be unpleasant to the listener and to us. That's fair. I mean, you have something better. You got listen, hot shot. If you got a better intro i'd

love to hear it because i just want to talk about the 10 pounds of p terry's hamburgers we just put up in in there i think you should make it clear that we each only had one hamburger each had one five pound hamburger and i should also make it clear when i said put up in there i should have said put down in there because we didn't put it in our butts. We don't reverse eat in this household. In this household, eating still means something. We don't do reverse butt eating. Thank you very much, millennials.

We didn't even make it five minutes without you talking about butt stuff. We made it three minutes and three seconds. And that's pretty good. So we're not going to talk about bachelor bachelorette ever again and god every time i say that it's just like i feel like a little bird comes and lands on my shoulder um and we're not even talking about a show that we watched this time instead for this episode which may be the final episode of rose buddies before we transition into something else and we'll talk more about that later i don't know why this is the voice i use when talking about our future endeavors um do you want to tell what we're doing this time yeah i mean we we teased it last week but maybe they skipped last week

maybe there was this and maybe there's an illness for those that one didn't listen to our episode last week uh this week we decided to use all of our knowledge and our research to put towards constructing our ideal reality dating show um yeah and i think it's a mistake that we're doing this i mentioned this last week i think we're gonna be like we're gonna hit the end of this i'll be like oh wow you know what that's a lot harder than i uh than i thought um because i was like trying to think of what my ideal dating show would be and it is cutting some folks some credit here. Cutting them some credit.

Like you say, it's tough I think. Yeah, I don't really know what you mean by cutting them some credit. I'm taking their current credit that is the maximum credit allowed to them on their cards and I'm slashing it. Slashing their debt. So it's a bad thing? I think it's good.

Is credit good or bad? So you're cutting them some slack maybe? Yeah, that might be good. By issuing more credit? So I think if we just focus on what we like. Yes. And then steal shamelessly. Yes.

I think we could get something together. So you have an outline of like some things that all sort of reality shows have that we could figure out in making our ideal reality show. And I think that that conversation should be informed by the things that we have watched here on Rose Buddies. And we can talk about like what worked and what didn't. on Rose Buddies, and we can talk about what worked and what didn't. I don't know about you, but in thinking about my ideal reality show, I thought of things that I liked from a lot of the stuff we've watched, and Bachelor and Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise was not one of those things, which I think really says a lot about where I'm at with that

franchise, in that it is the things about it that people find entertaining i don't think have anything to do with like what i would want out of a a romantic show right and that's what i think we should like talk about and try to make like it's it's the things that make that show what it is is the bachelor nation stuff and the cheekiness and the sort of um visual tabloid nature of it so i mean that's part of it but i think well it's like the sheer volume of contestants you know like you bring 30 people on a show it's not crazy that you might find four or five that you find to be really compelling, you know?

Yeah, for sure. Part of what I like about every season is the people I'm rooting for. Yeah, you definitely get that. I think that is the show's main strength is that it has on like a good season, like a good cast of characters who you are like totally bought into their romance. And that is that is a tough thing to recreate. We've seen some shows that i thought did like dating and sort of the reality of of dating and romance like loads better than bachelor

and bachelorette did but i think there's something to be said for the bachelor franchise is like ability to like make people form teams yeah around people like like almost like athletic teams form around or fans uh clubs like organize around teams um but it's such a mean show i don't know yeah so well let's let's get started with our show okay um how do you feel about there being one main character trying to find love do you want multiple people to try yeah i don't like that um one of the one of the shows that i liked the best in this because i thought about casting a lot like yeah because that i think is 90 of how the show turns out especially in this like particular category um one of the shows that we talked about once and we watched a lot and now i think it's

dead was first dates the drew barrymore project which i thought had a lot going for it it certainly had like a bunch of dates that were just kind of bullshit but there was something to be said for the fact that like a lot of the dates that happened on that show felt like it was an actual connection happening between two human beings that weren't just trying to make it right yeah um and also like you had a lot of uh diversity there was a lot of like inclusion in the couples featured in in first dates um which i think is radical and i think is um i think if you just focus on one person it's just not as interesting and it is yeah uh by its very nature not as not as diverse and you don't get to see like different points of view and different groups of people and so like no that's one way that i think we i I would not like to follow the,

the sort of bachelor bachelorette model. I think having, having lots of people would be, would be interesting. Okay. Now lots of people, are you saying like more than three, less than 30?

I mean, if it's 30, like, are we in like sort of a switcheroo situation? Is it just sort of a free for all? Is it like big brother, but it's 30, are we in sort of a switcheroo situation? Is it just sort of a free-for-all? Is it like Big Brother, but with triple the people? I don't know. Or like an Are You The One situation.

I think I want to shy away from Are You The One also. Although I like the gamification. That was one of the things we liked about Bachelor Pad back in the day. Yeah, I think. But here's the thing. Because I also thought a lot about this in like my ideal romance show i don't think i would want game i don't think i would want a game in it i don't think i would want people to you don't want strategy i don't think i want

strategy i don't think i want people to lose and get kicked off i don't as much as i enjoyed the uh are you the one second chances i think is what it was called which we for some reason watched every fucking episode of um it had that the prisoner's dilemma trust or steal mechanic at the end of it and as as much as i like that in a tv show i don't think i would like to make a show where real people that feel real meet and form a connection okay and i feel like any kind of game mechanic is going to get in the way of that well here's the next question then are they living together in house see because if there's no gamification what do they do all that day in that house i don't i don't want to watch them sit around and drink all day do you remember a television show called terrace house that is our favorite television show

possibly jobs they had jobs they had lives outside of the show okay that is fair we could follow them around while they did which we can have on our show too yeah and i think that also solves the number problem because six people i think is the perfect number of people okay maybe more no more with good shit um eight what about eight eight is what about nine eight isn't eight is enough okay um i think i have no problem with like the mundanity of like people's lives i have no problem with that being a factor in the show here's what i keep coming back to is like i feel like the best romantic show that feels the realist is not a show about finding the journey to find love. You know what I mean?

Like a show where like you go on it knowing that it is a dating show that you have already muddied the waters to a point where like it's going to be. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because obviously it does. But like, I feel like it's mudddying you are auditioning for a love show so we don't tell people what they're auditioning for i think we gotta get the drop on them babe so we okay let's okay let's let's think about this so we have them complete like a questionnaire that tells us a little bit about them nope i hate the questionnaire okay i hate it i mean you circle back on our very last episode married at first sight i thought it was i mean we talked a lot about it okay but we have to know something about these people yeah okay let me hit you with this let me hit you with this this is good so first night it's how do they get

there what are you what are you talking about first night the casting process we're gonna figure out later okay it's a big party for singles and i think you i don't know how we get the singles in there we can cross that bridge when we come to it but nobody should audition for it i think we have like a maybe we have like some sort of sign-up process but we just say we're just doing a singles party you can come and meet some new people where is it is it in i like chicago okay it felt good to me chicago what time of year that's critical uh early fall like right when the leaves start changing okay yeah and it stops being like butt sweat super hot so people aren't wearing like six layers no people are cute you know people are dressed up cute and maybe they've got a scarf on they go and i want to say like

uh there's like a hundred people that maybe 200 people so you advertise it party for singles yeah but if we put it on craigslist then that's going to attract you know craigslist users and i don't know about all that um i am talking about those deep web craigslist users um and we'll see we'll cross that bridge when we come to it there's like 200 people right and you show you show up and you sign a little waiver and maybe it says like, Hey, we're doing a TV thing. Don't worry about it. And then we like camera, camera, camera, filming people, making connections, falling in love.

And then we can like branch off later and just be like, Hey, at that party, you formed a dope connection. How much later? However later we need to. Well, cause we have to spend a lot of time reviewing the footage and figuring out who we'll have a big team of editors and producers okay the party welcome to the party okay so i'm um not chris harrison uh oh god who is are you the one dude ryan devlin host ryan devlin absolutely hi i'm your maitre d ryan devlin come on into the party don't worry about the cameras but do sign this waiver it'll be on television i legally have to tell you that how long is this party fucking it's a rager dude

i think it goes to like 2 a.m and then we. And then we get that like we could license Semisonic's closing time. Everybody sings along. Yeah. And then what's great is like maybe a month later, like we go to like zoom in on another couple and then we can show this like flashback footage. Oh, that's beautiful. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Closing time. You know, like remember the night we met? Show them that shit. I think that's how we solve the casting problem. That's how solve the like i want like a big big big group of people at this party all singles um but just a big diverse crowd we pick eight from that eight feels good once we get past that party i think we can break them off in any number of like groups that we want okay do they live together in a house that's so tough if they do i don't know what they're doing i don't think they have to if we're all in the same city together if there were people in town at the party that's a little more

complicated although we could follow a long distance relationship that might be interesting that might be fun i think it would be interesting to see how they make it work. Assuming that they have plans to travel and see each other. But, you know, we're watching their phone calls, their FaceTimes. You know, we're traveling back and forth between their cities. Yeah. I don't know. It's real.

It's realistic. It is real. I enjoy that. It's just like, is it the most poignant romance show ever created by humans? I don't know. I don't know if living. I think what we need. I didn't realize our bar was that high.

Yeah, it's got to be the best. We have talked 80 hours of shit about reality dating shows. I thought it was just something we liked. No, babe. We got to get a hole in one here because I'm taking this podcast to, I don't know, whoever would have me, ABC Family, Freeform. If they'll put that fucking ben and lauren show on they'll put on anything i know that was mean to say but um what do they do here living in a house is i mean terrace house is my favorite show of all time so obviously there's something there yeah but

what i like is i don't want to yeah i don't want to heighten the drama artificially like you know they're living in a house and all of a sudden they're fighting about dishes and no i don't want to watch that no because these are gonna be real people that did not audition for a television show and i think in the like see here's the other thing we are assuming that all eight couples we choose are like yeah I would love to be on this television show that you tricked me into being on. Tricked is such a nasty word. We'd be very ethical about it. What are they going to do?

I like dates. I mean, I want them to go on dates, right? Because like a good date, that first date show had like a lot of stuff going for it. Maybe we pay for the dates and that's their carrot. Is that like, we're going to film you for what? Six, six months. Oh my God. I just had a great idea.

Okay. It's what they do. We have the party, right? The big party. And from it, we like talk to people. And I think at the end of the party, like you fill out like who at this party were you really interested in? Okay.

Like a speed date. So we can sort of match them right. Based on, based on that. Maybe it's a speed, maybe it's a speed dating thing. I don't know. Maybe it is. No, just they fill out who they liked. Yeah, that's the only we get lots of footage of people like talking to each other that

we just like have as sort of the source material for these relationships. Okay. If two people like match with each other and the producers are maybe we have we get Dr. Pepper in the mix like feels like it's a good like a really good connection and we want to like zoom in on them um then those two people we show up you and me show up at their door with a plane ticket and they have to go on an international trip with the person that they matched with right now like amazing race style because i wanted to talk about that because we didn't we've never talked about amazing race on this show i'm pretty

sure but there was a season did we talk about it we mentioned that we watched it and i think we mentioned the like blind dates yeah so there was a blind date season where people got matched up with i don't know it was probably fucking dr love or whoever scientist love scientist is in the mix for these television shows that i we love amazing race and that season was so fucking good because it was such a good idea if you could tweak it just a little bit to have it more focused on the dates and i don't i'm not talking about challenges i'm talking about like hey you remember we met at that party now we're going to seoul south korea for like three nights and we're gonna stay at like a nice airbnb we're gonna have dates while we're there and it's just gonna

be like this wild adventure let's go to south korea for the weekend and then we can do like some travel show shit we can get some of that good like um terrace house for like international audiences or for the aloha state season like some of that tourism stuff that i think is like really cool and feels like kind of romantic i like it how is ryan devlin continuously involved that's important to me and i think we should figure that out i think he does a check-in um maybe he's at the airport and my boy ryan's gonna get a lot of freaking flyer miles but like maybe after they're like three days or whatever they go to the airport and ryan either offers them a ticket to fly home or they can stay

here forever but for like another couple days okay maybe there's some sort of payoff there i think the payoff is easy enough to figure out i think we can get my boy ryan devlin in the mix and logistically still no gamification they're just there to go on dates you're there to go on dates and at the end of the episode we find out if you're feeling it or not and then you can go and i think if we just did like one couple per episode going on these like wild adventures in like in in like other countries uh where they have like hey pack a bag if you want to go we're gonna do this right now and and we're gonna go to anywhere anywhere in the world i think that's cool i like the idea of like anywhere in the world is going to be logistically difficult to film well don't worry about that this is a

fantasy make-believe okay i just i want i want to keep us a little practical okay so that it doesn't become all like yeah and then we send them to space and then they build a moon house holy shit baby space dates. I'm highlighting everything in this Word document I've been working on, hitting erase all, and then just typing space dates in it. Stay with me here. 10 hot singles at Cape Canaveral.

I like 11. Oh, shit. I want, here's the thing I think we should consider. I want space for polyamory. We get a, we get a lot of feedback. If we do space dates, then space for polyamory is a really,

really good title for that show. It's very good. I just, I think that is the one area that reality dating shows hasn't really. Yeah. I don't, I haven't researched this extensively. Maybe there are shows that have tackled this,

but I think we should leave space for 11 the only thing i could think of in terms of that particular representation is uh i can't believe i remember her name dediker on utopia whoa we've never talked about utopia though this is utopia let's make a brand new start. Thank you. Oh, shit. Justin McElroy. No, Justin McElroy didn't write the theme song to Utopia. No, but he tipped us off to Utopia. It was the most buckwild show, and there was a polyamorous woman in it.

And I am sorry that that is my reality television touchstone for that. Probably showing my ignorance right now. Space dates, though. Space dates, though. Space dates, though. Okay. So nobody gets eliminated on this show. I don't like it. No.

Not if we focus on just one couple. What if, though? Let me just pitch this for you. All right. Hit me. We have the party. Okay. People are writing who they're vibing with.

We match them up. Yeah. Send them to South Korea. They, after three or four days days maybe they decide not to stay together maybe they pick somebody else from their list to fly out there nasty i like i mean with multiple people you do have a higher hit rate right yeah although maybe there is something like maybe i i think that the friction involved, you and I have traveled internationally a few times now, and we are very much in love.

And I don't think we ever had, like, much friction, right? Like, the kind of stuff that you think of. Well, there was the time that you got on the train when the doors closed. Oh, man. Almost left me. Day one, we fly into Tokyo for our honeymoon, and it was a horrible flight. Wait, was it Tokyo, or was it when we went to hong kong it was tokyo yeah and we were uh we just got off the flight the flight was horrible because these

two jags uh drank a bunch of wine and took a bunch of ambien before they got on the flight and tried to fight everybody on the plane for like five hours it was the most horrifying experience i was sitting in the we were sitting in the exit row and one of the flight attendants came to me and said, if they go for the exit door, you have to stop them. And I was like, I'm having a great honeymoon. And then we get there and we are like running and I see the train. I just start running, holding our bags and I get on the train and the door closes. And I was like, oh no. He turned around. I'm on the other side of the door. Luckily, there was an attendant standing on the platform

that signaled to let me on with my husband. Yeah. And I know how to say, wait a moment, please. But I don't think it conveyed the urgency of the situation. Anyway, you were saying that travel is difficult. And we saw it on that season of Amazing Race. And obviously there was a lot of extra tension there. Just like, you've got to stack up those big

barrels full of cream cheese or else we'll come in last place. I don't want to eat that stuff, but just sort of like the usual stuff of like, hey, where are we going to go to eat tonight? I like the idea that contestants have the opportunity to, even if they aren't successful with a couple or the person that we match them with, they can reboot with somebody else potentially. I like that.

I think there should be some sort of prize. What about this? You can, at the end, you can fly home together or you can take like separate tickets to like continue your trip and then if it didn't work out that's a bummer but fucking you know i get to i'm gonna fly to france all expense paid trip thanks thanks free form how long do we let them continue to do this on our dime you know just like a week okay it's like yeah i went and i met this person at this party and we really hit it off and then we went on this nick and nora's infinite playlist adventure

romance uh i can't believe you didn't say before sunrise you said oh shit uh yeah that's a good one too uh and then we went on this like love adventure and you know he was really sweet but uh it didn't you know we didn't exactly click had a fun time, but there was no romance there. But, you know, I got a free trip to Amsterdam. So, you know what I mean? Like, you still get a little something out of it. I don't want to shy away from, like, the travel element of it, because I don't think that. I don't think so either.

I just think, again, as I mentioned earlier, like, having a bunch of different couples in a bunch of different areas. Oh, that could be an option. What's that? If we have them all go to the same area, then there is room for cross-pollination. So maybe they're interested in somebody else. God, that's a gross way of putting it. Cross-pollinate for me.

Maybe this couple we matched up don't hit it off, but they look over at the other couple and they're like, hey, let's do swapsies. But then it can be nasty, though. I don't hit it off but they look over at the other couple and they're like hey let's do swapsies but then it can be nasty though i don't want any elements i'm not saying gross and i'm not saying gross nasty i'm saying like mean we can't make this show so antiseptic that nobody i mean even terrorist house got nasty sometimes it's just but it got nasty with a goal usually you know take out the garbage don't eat all of my fucking fancy meat that was given to me as a gift you fucking wild animals what's wrong with you you monsters how could you do this that was his meat gift yeah that was oh i

still get fired the fuck up i was laying next to you in the hospital bed henry was 45 minutes old lying next to us asleep and i was like you you motherfuck the hospital bed henry was 45 minutes old lying next to us asleep and i was like you you motherfuckers don't you eat his meat that was his fancy meat he was so sad i mean it was about a lot of other stuff too um okay all right all right let's get back i know what you're saying and on the i think that blind dates was about as antiseptic as a dating show gets where there was no uh contest to it i mean that show also got nasty also but just because it was casted poorly sometimes are you saying first dates or first dates sorry um and that show did i think it canceled after we don't know for

sure it was oh okay that's true that's fair um so maybe you do need a little bit of nastiness i just don't want to compromise i like terrace house occupies this space in my mind because i think it's a really well-made show with like a a perfectly executed kind of concept but it's also like a vibe and it's also a mood and i want to like i want to get that mood and i think that mood you just chalk it up to the fact that it feels because of how mundane a lot of this stuff feels like the non mundane stuff like really pops and i think there's a way to to do that in any like any format yeah um and so i don't want i don't know i don't i don't want to there's so many shows where it's just like eat this baby's kid pool full of spaghetti and try not to shit and you can win a date tonight it's like fuck guys i will tell you though

that we we learned from bachelorette canada that you can have a show that follows some kind of typical format and have people still be pretty nice to each other yeah i mean i think that that show also yeah that's true that show had like i mean there was a little bit of goofiness between some of the characters yeah but it never lasted very long yeah for the part it was innocent you can chalk a lot of that up to like the people like it was just cast with like really just a bunch of sweethearts for the most part but i also think that it's true like that show had different priorities like that show wasn't trying to be this like um sort of tabloid uh bloodbath that generate that is designed to generate as much like buzz around the stuff that happens on it than it is like actually trying to like tell a

a cohesive like coherent story or whatever um let's get back to the show the party people go to the party they match up and then they go on international journeys do we get little packages where we find out a little bit more about each of our party goers yeah absolutely i mean if we're gonna be spending a whole 44 minutes plus commercials with one couple i think we gotta drill down deep and so we can have packages and then we can show like clips from them at the party and then if they fall in love at the end ryan meets him at the airport and it's like what's it gonna be you're gonna fly home together you're gonna stay here for a bit uh and they like hold meets him at the airport and is like, what's it going to be? Are you going to fly home together or are you going to stay here for a bit?

And they like hold hands and they're like, where's... And then like while they're holding hands and looking at each other, we cut back to footage from the party and it's just like, you know, I think we've got something here. And then we cut back and they're like, I do. And then Ryan Devlin's marrying them. Do we meet their families? No, fuck no. Do we see them jogging on a trail near their house do we

recapture the worst episodes of the bachelorette the family meeting episodes no i don't i do not think so i do not think that we watch them on rollerblades on a boardwalk and they're like oh i fell over i mostly like if we could make a before sunrise like live action rpg like a before sunrise larp experience of just like people having conversations about stuff in nice restaurants and bars in in in different countries i really do like that it's fucking hot shit man that's good that's a really that's a sick idea like i would watch that for the visuals of it like i would watch that to like i i we watched a lot of when we planned our uh various trips to different places in japan we went to hong kong a couple years ago like there's not a lot of like service travel shows out there my boy rick steves is like the only

one in the cut who is like here's how to do some shit in germany um but there's not like stuff where i feel like i am watching like real people do stuff that i would actually really maybe do in different places maybe bourdain's doing that but he just seems so lonely wouldn't it be nice if he was with somebody else on dates on dates on dates i just think it'd be cool to like watch people like just walking down this the street and in in some country here's another Here's another argument I have for having everybody in the same city. How fun would it be? Because every city has its tourist spots.

How funny would it be if one couple ran into another couple because they both decided to go to the same museum on that day? That might be. Yeah, that could be fun. Or maybe they have a double date, just organically. Maybe they do a double date with a couple, a nice older couple from whatever city that they're visiting. This was always Griffin's dream.

When Griffin and I would travel, he always had this dream. It made me so sad to hear you say, when Griffin and I would travel, like we never will again. to hear you say when griffin and i would travel like we never will again we anytime we've gone anywhere as a couple we have talked about how nice would it be to run into an older couple and then just you know spend a meal with them talking about what love really is it was we went to a we like kind of splurged and went to this nice hot spring resort in Hakone in Japan, and it was cocooned the fuck up in there. And I was hoping that it might happen. We got a little bit of, I got a little bit of contact coming out of the springs. A little bit of contact.

A little bit of cocooned contact there. So, yeah, maybe that's it. Like, oh, me and my wife, you know know we've been together for 120 years that's nice and then but then they're like really cute no this is boring i already turned it off i changed the channel okay i want fast running running running where are we gonna go i don't know where are we standing tonight i don't know we're on an adventure nick and norris infinite playlist why is he why do you keep citing that movie? It's just like, we're just doing it.

We're in the streets running. Why not before sunrise? Because they don't run in before sunrise. They walk slowly. So you're going to demand that all of our contestants run from location to location. No, but maybe they do and they go to a bar. Where are we staying tonight? I don't know.

Take my hand. Maybe they go to a bar and they don't stop moving at the bar because it's important that they are always in motion. Yeah. Okay. So they have Fitbits on them that are wired to a bomb. There you go. Okay.

So no expectation of proposal at the end? Fuck no. God no. No. I want people to fall in love. Okay. Are you going to be satisfied if they don't fall in love

during the show? Yeah. Because they got to go on a fun trip and learn about each other and even if it doesn't work out maybe they became friends and had this wild adventure

that they'll never forget and we got to see all of it and Ryan Devlin is there. Ryan Devlin is there. Are we getting little like in the moments or testimonials where they're just talking to the camera telling us whether they are feeling this relationship no but is there an opportunity to just get the panel from terrace house

to watch along with us i thought about that i thought like well typically either there's a panel or a host. The idea of both is a little tricky. Is Ryan Devlin also on the panel? It's Ryan Devlin and the six panel members from Terrace House. But two of them are always absent. Two of them are always absent because they're very famous now. Let's workshop this particular element after we steal you away. After we steal you

away? Yeah, me and my friend here, Jamer. Jamer? Jamer. Could you do the music this week? Yeah, sure. Was that Jamer? Yeah, it was Jamer. Yeah. That's why I leaned away from the mic and Jamer. That's how I talk.

I know, Jamer. You don't have to explain. I don't have to explain, but I'll say it to you or my old buddy. I know, bud. You don't have to get like, see, baby's getting really angry. I'm angry. You got him angry now. I know.

I'm sorry. Apologize to Jamer. I'm sorry really angry i'm angry you got him angry now i know i'm sorry apologize to jamer i'm sorry jamer do you wait it what was that do you wait it yes i mean so happy all right jam we're gonna finish the show can you wait in your box he's gone he left the room he's in his box uh this week we are sponsored by thrive market you want to tell me all about thrive market or do you want me to tell you all about thrive market because i heard it's the new convenient way to get high quality natural organic groceries like healthy snacks supplements and foods to stock your pantry at 25 to 50 percent less than even the discount stores so what were you going to say about it um i will say that uh besides the discounts it's also so much more convenient

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It sounds like you forgot what the voice was for a second, Jamer. You lost the voice there a little bit, Jamer. Public is there okay we demand perfection actually if you're gonna be on this show hello i love you too um i have a jumbotron message here babe do you want to hear it yes please i got a jumbotron here this one is for brina venoski geiselman badass nicu nurse and it's from zach tartle or tartel badass cvicu nurse i don't know what that means uh hey dude i'm really glad that i met you at school who would have thought that those dopey dorks with all the questions would end up being fancy fucking icu

nurses so soon i'm so grateful that i have you as a work and relationship sounding board and now a Bachelor of Fantasy and now a Bachelor Fantasy League competitor. Love you tons and hope to see you again someday. Lopressor. I don't know what that is. Is that a medical? Is Lopressor like a

medical term? Is that what they use? Or maybe a pharmaceutical? Yeah, you pop a couple Lop they use? Or maybe a pharmaceutical? Yeah, you pop a couple little pressers. Or maybe it's like a fun way of saying low pressure. Oh, maybe. These folks sound fancy, babe. They better watch their fancy belongings while they're picking out,

they're scooping out nuts into a little bag. No, no, no. Scooping out little fancy chocolates into a little bag. Hey, where'd my car keys go? And this is me and your fucking Acura. Griffin, this bit isn't working. Do you want to read this other Jumbotron? Uh, yeah. This message is for Emma.

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You are my love, and I love you because you are my love. That is the sweetest thing. I'm going to receive the laptop in a moment. I hope that you ended up in Austin. I hope you ended up in fucking Hawaii. What are you talking about? Austin is better than Hawaii. What are you talking about?

It's more affordable. Yeah, the beaches are nicer. It's less touristy. Oh, no, it's not better. Beaches aren't better. That's weird. Why would I say that? It's easier to get avocados here, maybe. You don't know that that's true at all, babe. Breakfast tacos, probably. Definitely do have those there, probably.

Barbecue. Yep, definitely do that there also. And beaches. I mentioned the beaches, the crystal clear beaches and the surfing. And Terrace House is there. There's never been a Terrace House Austin. Although, if it is, hit me up. I wouldn't be on it. I just want to, you know, hang out outside.

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Uh, should we get back to our show? Okay. Okay, so we were talking about the potential for panel. I don't like in the moment interviews because you know what they do? They take me out of the fucking moment pretty much every time. Yeah, no, that's true. And there's a fun element of surprise, I think, when you don't get to hear what everybody is thinking. of surprise, I think, when you don't get to hear what everybody is thinking. But I will say, it would be nice to know whether these people are falling in love or not.

Let me hit you with this, then. I can't believe how... This show must have made a really deep impact on me, like the movie Deep Impact did. I'll never forget all the great performances in Deep Impact. I liked in first dates when they would like go into a bathroom and call somebody oh yeah because then that's real that's really somebody talking about like hey so sorry to wake you up it's probably 3 a.m there because i'm in that's a good idea yeah so we let them i mean we'd have to let them call home because we just sent them on this trip with very little notice. Yeah.

And maybe on their phone call, they talk about this person they're with that we have screened to make sure they are safe to travel with, by the way. Yeah. I mean, they'll have producers and stuff, but I think that there will definitely be a screening process. Once you get picked from that party party we got to screen you for a lot of stuff including have you ever been on a fucking television show before because if you have right you're done get out of here no way i can't believe how many times that happened on all the shows that we watched well it's because people are auditioning they're auditioning for television okay we can't get into it um yeah and so you call your buddy and you're like hey it's like that scene babe and before sunrise

when they pretend to call people and he's like yeah i met this i met this woman oh god that scene and she calls and pretends to be him and it's like yeah dude yeah should we do an episode about before sunrise no no i don't want to um i just want to talk about it a lot uh yeah i think that would be i think that could be good yeah or maybe they just pretend to call people like that scene before um okay i think that'd be good but i also want a panel i like the i like the panel i love it too i love the panel i love the panel because and we would have to make sure well if we get the panel from terrorist house that problem is solved yeah but they're actually funny so many of these like like when bachelor did those like

after shows they would have people on that were not funny yeah and it was painful to listen to them try and be funny oh no no thank you um okay yeah i don't know who we would paul f tompkins was on one episode i thought he was good and then uh nick kroll and uh john maloney that was incredible tuna time or what was it too much tuna yeah i can't remember the name of it even though we watched their whole broadway thing on netflix uh that was that was pretty good but a lot of time it's just like celebs rolling up and saying just like the meanest possible shit yeah and then inviting that person out to sit next to them finding them out to sit next to them like awful that was yeah okay i didn't dig that so i don't want that how long so i very quickly alluded to how long this show might go on okay but you said

how long did you say like a week two weeks two weeks? I think like, are you talking about filming? Are we really getting into like production? Filming, yeah. I think like three days. I think you have like- And we turn that into 18 episodes? For one couple? No, I think it's one couple, an episode. No, I'm talking about the season,

how long the season would be. Oh, short. I think we go with like a Netflix eight. Okay, eight episodes. We film for with like a Netflix 8. Okay. Eight episodes. We film for a week and a half. Mm-hmm. Okay. So it sounds like there's no villain,

no right reasons. Oh, God. We pick people that are good people. Real people, because they didn't know they were gonna be on a show, and now they are. Now, that particular act of Sutterfuge, it's gonna be tough to pull off in season two hey Chicago come out to this big party for singles don't worry about it's not I know I had that thought too I was thinking that actually during the ad break uh that we just did of how do we do another season of this well bars have parties for singles and people maybe start going to those parties because

they're like is this they're looking for that wonka ticket yeah well we got to be careful of is getting getting um hop-ons from people who just went like a fucking i know free trip to portugal or whatever or people that saw our previous season and now are showing up thinking like, is this it? I really want to promote my Instagram. The party is in a different city every season. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And so you never know. You just never know. Okay. My next question. Okay. Overnights. Okay. I think you stay at like a cute like rental place and it's got two bedrooms.

And so taster's choice. Go for it. Are we doing night vision to see whether or not fuck no fuck no i think if you walk out of the living room and shut the door but even terrace house had the um what was that room called they didn't have a boom boom they had to okay they had like this is what i'm talking about the marriage suite or whatever that um, I forget what they called it. The traditional room or something like that. Where you could stay as a couple. Minori and Uchi stayed in after they started dating.

So I'm just saying that most reality dating shows do make it clear if a couple hooks up. I think that if they stay in the same room and want to talk about it. like if we film the living room and we watch them like walk out of the living room and stay in the same room and then they want to talk about it too though each other they're friends on the phone oh okay maybe so the producers are like hey do you want to call your friend today right now them walking in the same room at night but we don't film inside the room and we don't do like smacking noises but churning sounds uh we don't like do the room and we don't do like smacking noises. Butt churning sounds. We don't like do that shit in the captions. And then we cut to the panel and they're like, oh, maybe.

Maybe they're like, consensual love. Love. I love it. That's great. It's very good. I'm a big fan of this and I'm not going to be the fucking Saved by the bell like live audience about it maybe there's a saved by the bell live audience you've gone so quiet all of a sudden um no i'm just thinking about most reality shows have an opportunity for everybody to get together and chit chat

like whether it's like a dining area or a cocktail party like everybody comes together and that's where you get your information because they're all talking to each other i think we get that i think that that common area in the living room like you're not going to be running around going on dates fucking 24 7 it's a long trip and you're probably going to be jet lagged so there's probably gonna be some time where you're just like in your pjs in this like living room just like making coffee and just like talking a little bit and you're just like in your pjs in this like living room just like making coffee and just like talking a little bit and you're like off the clock or whatever but there is no off the clock you're on an international invention or just an infinite playlist i think

i think i keep hitting this point over and over again but i think we need an opportunity for everybody to get together occasionally. I know that you like the idea of following one couple, but I think even Amazing Race, they're all in the airport together. Like you get that interplay. Like no show totally isolates a couple the whole time. I've got it. Okay.

At the end of each episode, they make their choice about whether they want to fly home or keep traveling which is all not a big consequential choice and in the last two minutes episode one we see you know well episode two episode one is the party right episode one is the party episode two uh mike and rob walk in the they've they've made their choice. We're going to stay here in Amsterdam. And just like we had a great time. And we want a couple more days. Into the episode. There's Ryan.

And he's standing at the host table. And then in they walk. Mike and Rob. Or Ron. I already forgot. It was Rob. They walk in. And he says, welcome back.

And then cut to black. And then episode three. We get another couple, they make their choice and then show them walk back into the party. And then all of a sudden they're talking to Mike and Rob about how their date went. And so every end of every episode, another couple walks into this like reunion party. And so we get little pieces of reunion and people talk about their, their love and their dates. And we get just like a little nugget of that at the end.

Okay. And I get just like a little nugget of that at the end. Okay. And I'm super confused. So we spent some time with Mike and Rob in Amsterdam. Yes. And now we are flashing back or we are flashing forward. Flashing forward to a reunion party. Toward a reunion party. And this is where we're seeing them interact.

With the other couples that got to go on adventures. Okay. Where did you all go? Doesn't that give stuff away? No, because it's not revealing it. Because it's the end of the episode. They got to go on adventures. Okay. Where did you all go? Doesn't that give stuff away? No, because it's not revealing it because it's the end of the episode. They get added to the party. And in the first episode,

we see the first couple show up. And in the second episode, the second couple joins the first couple. And so by the end of the season, everybody's there. And then the final episode is the reunion party. Okay. Each episode is one couple.

Yes. And we see them in one city. Yes. Okay. Then they fly back to their original city and go to the reunion party. And we see a little bit of that. Is that enough time? Is that enough time to develop any feelings if they're in one city for a few days?

Develop feelings for each other or for us to develop feelings about their relationship? Both. I think it's absolutely enough time for people to form a relationship. Again, I don't give a fuck if they get married. I think that's an unrealistic expectation. I think if I had never met you and I said, hey, do you want to go to Hong Kong for a weekend?

I would probably have very strong feelings about you by the end of that weekend. I think that's enough time. And I also think like we would watch episodes of that First Dates show and I would feel very strongly about folks. And not only that, we get that party episode. And so the whole time I'm watching, I'm thinking about couples I saw in the party episode. Like, boy, I hope they show up.

And then they do show up and it's like, fuck yeah. I thought what you were initially proposing was that they they fly from chicago to amsterdam yeah or anywhere and they can they talk to ryan at their end of their few days and they can elect to keep traveling yeah and they go to another oh no if they keep traveling they're like off the show they just have like a little trip together or they can fly home i'm not feeling it that's like their end end. That's their end decision, right? So it's like, oh, we had a good time. We're going to stay in Amsterdam a couple more days.

Okay. Or we're going to fly home. I thought, though, each... Well, I didn't think each episode was one couple. Yeah. I thought each episode was following the four couples or trios or whatever from one city to the next. I think we've lost the plot. I think we've lost the plot.

I think we've lost the plot. That was never my intention. One episode per couple. Done. I'm done with you. Mike and Rob, your story is so beautiful. I'm so glad you found each other. I can't wait to see it through reunion.

But I'm ready to move on. Okay. I need to find other love out there. Okay. You know what I mean? Blind, or first dates, Jesus. That's why I kept pushing the interplay between couples because i thought each episode we were ping-ponging and they were never interacting i

think we've been miscommunicating this entire time okay i think each episode's one couple and then we move on that's what i'm talking about a tight eight episode okay so they don't have to run into each other at the louvre or anything no but i like the idea of the reunion special where everybody gets together and talks about their love. Okay. We don't have to do that now that we've parted, we've crossed this, we've forded this river together. Okay. We could do this infinite. We could have infinite,

we could be the first infinite television show that will never end, unlike Utopia, which ended long before its time on a fucking Halloween special. How was your show? How was your last episode, Utopia? Pretty bad, I thought, maybe a little bit um okay so in our scenario we have the party infinite money the ability to travel the space are we back on space dates well i just i just think it's important to think about money it's two people and one camera person and one producer it's four people that's

nothing that's nothing i'm talking about a tight crew we don't need to get like an amazing race up in here where we take over the entire country i'm talking about like a two camera operation topsies this is not going to be that expensive to make okay because i want it to feel fucking real dog and ryan devlin and ryan but he i mean he we won't we will have to fly him all over maybe we get him on a little um laptop we get him on a laptop yeah like one of the camera people like pops open a laptop and then there's ryan devlin and he's skyping in so we don't have to fly his ass all over the place unless he wants to pay for his own flights okay this is a tight operation because i want it to feel real real people real camera work uh okay so are we are we at the name of the show now

oh god i hope not because i don't know what it would be i mean i thought it was going to be like the party or the party well the party doesn't really get across it. It's also an international adventure. The international adventure party. What about Griffin and Rachel's Infinite Playlist? Before Sunrise, the MMORPG. What does that even stand for? You don't want to hear me explain what MMORPG is. I know a role-playing game. Massively multiplayer online.

Oh, okay. Time Zone. role-playing game massively multiplayer okay um time zone travel party travel we need to get past party party the term party i don't think really gets across that this is the most potent love story ever told on television yes why i don know. It's a different word for party. And it's more international. I suppose it is. Journey. See, I would be fine with Journey if it hadn't been so completely trampled by the Bachelor franchise. And if it weren't a band already. If it weren't a band.

Foreigner. No, that's not. Also a band. And also terrible. Plane Date. Plane Date sounds bad. how was your day it was plain well times internet international date line oh baby you're so good you're so good at this international date line is not still not great because there

is a television show called Dateline, but This one will also have Stone Phillips. Stone Phillips is looking for a mate. Heart of Stone. I already named I already named that other show we just came up with two seconds ago.

This is incredible. Give me another show. Quick. Quick. I'm hot. I'm so proud of you. Give me another show. Quick.

I'm hot. I'm hot. I'm hot. Pauly Shore opens up a bar. You can just edit out this. I don't got it. I don't got it. It would have been better if I had given you up like Pauly Shore opens up a beachfront bar.

Yeah. I mean, I was hoping that you would give me that, but you didn't. Sorry. Well, I broke my streak. International Dateline. That's good. Or Heart of Stone. Should we explore Heart of Stone? All right, so let's take the last 58 minutes, throw it away.

Heart of Stone. Stone Phillips is looking for love in all the right places here on Heart of Stone. I think that's our show. We're going to Kyoto. Let's go. I don't know what Stone Phillips sounds like. Wow. I mean, that's pretty dead on.

I think we hit all my- We're going to go down to Sydney, Australia. Pack your bags. Oh, gosh. You know. I enjoyed meeting you at that party. How old is Stone Phillips in your head? Did you know that this was a television show?

Okay, so we talked about location. We talked about the number of contestants. Infinite. We talked about the host and the panel. Ryan Devlin. And I don't think we talked about who was going to be on the panel. The Terrace House panel. Okay, just the Terrace House panel.

Nobody gets eliminated. Fuck no. Everybody's there for the right reasons. Yes. We don't meet their families, but maybe they talk to them. Yeah, I think they talk to them. And they probably talk about them. Tell me about your dad.

The dates are... Do they plan the dates or do we plan the dates? That's important. Are they just like walking down the street and they're like, oh, this place looks cute. Based on what you constructed. I that that feels real yeah uh there are overnights available if you want to if you don't want to if you're just having fun and you guys are buddies and you want to enjoy your trip stay in your separate room so i don't give a fuck uh eight episodes for just a less than a week a tight netflix eight um no proposal unless they

do i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fucking stop you I would rather you didn't Ryan would say that from his laptop I would I would rather

you didn't it doesn't feel real I'm glad for you but it doesn't feel real come on home we need to talk

about this so no Neil Lane no god no no book of rings if there was a challenge in every episode where they

had to eat 10 diamond rings I would not invite Neil Lane to the equation. Absolutely not. No challenges. That dude's got secrets. Dealing with Neil Lane is challenge enough on The Bachelor. And I'm done. I'm through with it. It's a good show.

International Dayline. Yeah, we got a good show. I would watch this. I like shows about people traveling. The best travel shit we watched was just YouTube videos of just folks. Just like, hey, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but hey, this place looks cool. Let's go. Yeah.

Tony Bourdain just looks so lonely. I can't with that anymore. Well, that's because he usually meets up a friend. That is true. Now he goes to cities and he meets a friend at a restaurant yeah okay um international dateline i'd watch this get at me netflix get at me whoever uh verve abc family inroads there free form free form i know i said some bad shit in this episode alone get at me we are always we are always looking for Hulu. I think that's it.

We might have a new thing next week. I'm saying 50-50 because we still have a lot of work to do. There's a lot of work that goes into changing everything about your show. We still have a lot of that stuff to do so we may not have it done by next Wednesday.

Next Wednesday we might have a new Rose Buddies or might have a new new thing if we can really get it get it all done um i'm really really excited we can't talk about like the name of the show because we're still figuring that out and getting like uh art and all that stuff together do you want to talk about what we're doing i feel safe talking about what we're gonna do yeah uh so if you liked the good stuff we like episode of rose buddies uh then you will probably be interested in our new show yeah because it's gonna be that um we have some ideas for like that that particular format but that was my favorite episode that i think we've ever recorded it was a lot of fun and i think there's something to be said about a podcast that like is about like hyper posi like in enthusiasm about stuff. And like and to be fair, like I think there's a certain connective tissue between that idea and what Rosebuddies started out as was like us being enthusiastic and like deep, deep fans of this thing that we have kind of fallen out of love with over time and so like

i think this this thing will be kind of still like that although obviously of a much about a much broader topic um as long as we can stay like not goopy about it then that would be great i don't know i'd be like there's this cocoa butter that you can eat and it makes your butt clean or something yeah no i think week to week we plan on being very specific and very genuine in what we like and hopefully you'll discover some new things you like a little little bit tighter too a little bit tighter of a production we can go ahead and say that that was something that we've talked about um those like hour and 45 minute episodes of rose buddies were really killer. We record this show right now.

It is 837 at night. We really do put Henry down and then we try to eat and then we record and we get really sleepy and go to bed. And I don't know that that makes for the best podcast environment. So it'll probably be a little bit tighter. Also, I think there's enough like hour 15 podcasts out there and I don't want to continue to contribute to that ecosystem. I'm really, really excited about it. I've reached a point where I've crossed over being kind of worried about all the stuff

that goes into moving on from this thing and like being excited about doing like a show that I'm really excited about. Me too. And thank you to the Maximum Fun Network for being so supportive as we transition. Yeah, a lot of people have been asking some like process questions and max fun is working with us to like figure all that stuff out and uh they have been very very helpful in it and very supportive and we appreciate them a whole hell of a lot you go to maximum fun dot org and check out all the great shows there you got a bunch of great podcasts like stop

podcasting yourself and lady to lady and and the turnaround if you haven't listened to jesse thorne's project the turnaround it is great he's got interviews with like kate couric and um other interviewers terry gross is one of them i really wish the show had come out when i was like in journalism school because i feel like it would have been like fucking i mean it's still like extremely good but i feel like i would have just like aped everything from it if i was still in school i think there's a lot to still a lot to learn even though i'm not in school you know i'm a student of the world student of the world's not a bad name for this television show that is good gosh you're a factory monster factory no um i think that's it right yes if this is the last rose buddies thank you for sticking with us yeah um i i i don't know this feels unceremonious because the show has pivoted away from the franchise that it started about for

like a month now and so like it doesn't exactly feel and also like our new thing is basically just going to be this but instead of talking about crappy television shows talking about you know taste stations or whatever the fuck um and i don't know when we started doing this show i don't think either of us thought it was going to be the the as big of a thing that it has turned into like there's i keep kicking this fucking garbage can um there's a big community around the show and this community has been amazing and uh joining them for things like live discussions of of batch episodes um and like seeing all the like fan art and all the all the other stuff that has come up about our show that i don't think we

anticipated would ever spawn off anything like that has been it's really really really meant a lot to us um we it is cool to make this thing with my with my wife and i hope that you feel the same about me and to have like people support it in the way that they have has been like really really meaningful to me so um thank you all very much of course and we we are counting a lot on the praise we have received that people just more than talking about reality dating shows they just enjoy hearing us talk about things that we like so hopefully but your enthusiasm for us will continue but we would never like exploit that and do like just any old shit just to like capitalize on that enthusiasm for people saying i'll go do whatever i i don't want

us to hear that and say like okay well we're just going to be fucking bullshit lazy then and just have people like it anyway i'm still gonna do research uh griffin's still going to be incredibly creative and funny i'm still gonna come up with names for things i'll do some fucking research too you're gonna sound like a fucking jughead over here i mean you sound like a fucking screech um uh i just we we very much care about the direction this is going and we will continue to give it our best. And if that's, if you don't listen anymore, like I totally, it's funny, I had this exact

fucking conversation on The Adventures of Last Week. If you don't want to tune in, I hope you can take this from me as sincerely as is possible. Like, I totally get it. We have enjoyed having you and we, um, are happy to have you chase your bliss. Yeah. This show started as one thing.

And if you're a fan of it because of that, and now we're not going to be about that thing anymore and you don't want to listen. I, I completely understand. And thank you very much for everything you've done for us. And, uh,

hopefully we'll see you around sometime. Um, but for everybody else, buckle the fuck up. Uh, let's, that's it. Let's call it a else, buckle the fuck up. That's it. Let's call it a night. All right. Yeah, let's go collapse in bed and watch Parks and Recreation.

Does that sound good? Yes. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. I'll talk to you next time. I'm Griffin McElroy. I'm Rachel McElroy. When you're ready.

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