Wonderful! - Wonderful! 146: The Noid's Brother

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

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🎵 Hello, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is wonderful. Oh, I'm sorry, is that sound bothering you? You've really dedicated your life to being a beard man now? I don't know that I would say that, but it is a sort of feature on my body

that I'm not used to having. And I will be like, why does it smell so much like coffee right now? And then I realize it's the mustache, isn't it? That it's got a little bit of like coffee leave i don't know how people would like actual thick lustrous beards like put up with it right like i mentioned syrup last week where like i don't want to eat a pancake and get syrup in my mustache and then it's just like a little sort of like it's like a smell memory card

like a smell flash drive and I'm just constantly accessing. I don't know about that. So I think I might just go with a chin strap beard. Oh, great. Yeah. You're going to love it. I love it. I guarantee it.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to look like a very safe football player of hair. This is wonderful to show where we talk about things that we like, things that we're into. And do you have any of the small wonders that I've been hearing so much about lately? Yeah, you know what? I do actually. Okay.

I was thinking about it and I will say adding a recipe to the rotation. Oh. I've got a few things that I can comfortably cook without much effort. I just, I know them by now. They're my go-tos. Right.

And I think i'm gonna add that stroganoff uh yes you should it's very very good you're very good at making it um and it tastes good and it satisfies all my senses um uh yeah so i you know adding adding a new go-to to the uh to the list of meals you can make sure i would also say like uh similarly in this quarantine environment finding like a good uh takeout place that you can also add to the rotations also very nice i've got a salmon i have a salmon hookup now that i'm very excited about uh i want to do uh teenage bounty hunters on netflix uh rachel and i are very into this show it's uh by uh kathleen jordan whose name sounds familiar

i don't know what else she's done but it's a it's a show about literally what it says on the on the tin uh it's uh it's got big veronica mars energy yes yes it really does that's kind of you know a lot of people are comparing it to buffy which i get you know there is kind of this element of of you know kind of badass ladies like kicking butt but um i'd say veronica mars is probably a more apt comparison yeah i think veronica mars had a more of a comedy bent than uh buffy had and i think that this definitely follows follows that we've been having a lot of fun with it we're like halfway through the first season there's only 10 episodes on netflix now but we uh i i i keep thinking about it and we're not watching it, which I think is the hallmark of a good show.

I think you go first this week? I do. Okay, what do you got? So my first thing, I'm gonna call it Misheard Song Lyrics. Okay, yeah. I don't think you're thinking necessarily too far outside the bun. I feel like Misheard Song Lyrics is an established concept.

Yeah, I find it kind of delightful this is something when i was younger this was maybe more common because you know people didn't have access to the the lyrics right away if you heard a song on the radio um the the example my parents always talk about is that uh zity-Doo-Dah song. Yeah. I used to think it was Mr. Beanbag on your shoulder. Mr. The bluebird, the bluebird on your shoulder. You can first.

Okay, I guess that's not so bad. Yeah. It's not one of the worst ones. You're sending me on a trip right now because we had, I should do a whole segment on bathroom literature. had i should do a whole segment on like bathroom literature our household we had several big uh uncle john's bathroom readers but is that really wonderful uh no i mean these were pee-soaked terms of bad jokes but one of them one of these like kind of books was a book just full of misheard song lyrics with like little illustrations to go with each one it was very

much in that uncle john's bathroom reader dave berry sort of or deep thoughts yeah uh yeah i remember uh lucy in disguise with diamonds the big one or excuse me while i kiss this guy another big one i'm not saying the subject you have brought is equivalent to an uncle john's bathroom reader segment but if i was saying that okay then it is that i'm okay that's basically what this whole fucking show is if we're being in a way yeah it's uncle john's bathroom podcast and isn't that comforting no this is demoralizing but uh so i wanted to find like some of these common ones and a lot of them feel a little too pat, you know, like, like a lot of times it's like nobody actually thought this when

they heard this song. Oh, well, fuck. Now you're going to say one. I'll be like, that's not it. No, I thought I would do that too. Not the case. Okay. What do we got?

Most of the time they're just nonsensical. Okay. Um, or they'll take the title of the song and mishear it. And that's what I'm like. There's no way. Yeah. So I did find a study, a little suspect done by Earex, which is a eardrop company. Okay.

Just trying to make the headlines. This was a study done in the UK of 2000 adults to kind of identify the most commonly misheard lyrics and kind of why people would mishear lyrics, which I think they were trying to associate with earwax. Sure. A little suspect. The study revealed that it took an average of six times for a person to listen to the song to get the lyrics, which I feel like is- The entirety of the lyrics? which i feel like is the entirety of the lyric the the entirety of the lyrics it says six times to listen to the song before they felt confident they knew the lyrics interesting okay i could probably do a chorus after six times which anybody that's done karaoke and this happens to me all the

time i didn't realize in the world of karaoke that people had established go-to yeah numbers i just thought they would get up and do songs they thought would be fun to sing. And so I used to just be like, okay, is that how you do it? And then I'd get up and be like, I don't know this song at all. There was a sort of infamous Blackstreet scenario,

a sort of fiasco that played out. Yeah, Blackstreet. Also, I did a Kesha song that I realized I didn't... Just didn't really know it. Didn't know. You did great up there, though. Thank you. With what you had. I only do private room karaoke it. Didn't know. You did great up there, though. Thank you. With what you had.

I only do private room karaoke for that reason. Yeah. So here's some of them. Abba's Dancing Queen. Instead of Feel the Beat of the Tambourine, we have Tangerine. Right? TLC's Waterfalls. Now, I think I thought this one at one point don't go jason waterfalls

no baby no hey jason waterfalls get back oh yeah that's my boy jason waterfalls we call him jason waterfalls don't go you don't want to know hit the story but we call him jason waterfalls and those are the rivers and lakes that Jason Waterfalls is used to. Now, here's a phenomenon that I think you'll enjoy. A lot of insertion of the word sausage. Okay. So we built this city on sausage rolls. Nope.

And then Bohemian Rhapsody saving his life from this warm sausage tea. Again, not sure why uh friends in low places uh i'm not big on sausage gravy now this one i will give them because that song seems like one that would not be they're not going to mention sausages in bohemian fucking rhapsody but but maybe places yeah if garth said something about sausage gravy in a song it would not i would not turn my head i can see that um some of them like it just seemed like okay so john travolta and olivia newton john in greece sing summer nights and there is the assumption i guess that some people thought that instead of the guys saying, tell me more, tell me more, they were saying Tommy Moore. Which I think is funny, this idea that you're bringing in this character mid-musical.

Not even mid-musical, babe. Mid-song. Without context. Like, when are we going to meet this Tommy Moore? Here's all the greasers and we're singing our song that's hugely problematic. And wait a minute, who's that coming in from the wings? Tommy Moore. Here's all the greasers and we're singing our song that's hugely problematic and wait a minute, who's that coming in from the wings? Tommy Moore. It's me, Tommy Moore, Tommy Moore.

And then a lot of I understand just like, so for example and we've talked about this before, like Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit. That one I'll, yeah. A lot of unintelligible in that song. But instead of here we are now, entertain us,

people would think here we are now in containers, which I feel like is fair. Whoa, yeah, I would give that. I don't know that I, you mentioned six times. I've heard this song obviously a great deal of times. I don't think I could give you a fraction of a verse and that's the thing i think that happens as an adult you just when you when you get to a section that you can't figure out you're just like well i'm just never gonna know that one well a lot of and

also a lot of bands in that genre back in that era were kind of mumbly boys like you want to talk about spoon man the song spoon man here's what I know of Spoon Man. Spoon Man. That's all I get. I always thought it was come together with our hands. My hands? There's hands in there. But there's also, you know what else is in there?

I can say with absolute certainty is the word Spoon Man. Spoon Man. This is like, for Griffin, this is like, I ate too much. I i ate too much is a lyric that he has to say when it comes up organically so like if if for example pass me that spoon man yeah it doesn't happen often it almost never happens now um i want to finish i think so there's a few

like i mentioned where it seems like you should know what the lyric is based on the title of the song so ruby tuesday by the rolling stones goodbye groovy toothpaste stop it that one's nobody's ever thought that sorry earwax scientists uh this is kind of delightful and i want to encourage for those of you that have not joined the wonderful facebook group oh i imagine this is gonna pop off sometimes i think to myself this would be a good topic for that group uh you'll find it if you haven't joined um under the rose buddies cast which was our prior i mean you can probably search wonderful podcast i don't

know if you'll find it oh bummer okay yeah it's a good group primo primo content uh i want to do my first thing i'm very excited about it it's just a good ass youtube video i feel like i've done like one of these before and it's such a i feel like a good recommendation because it's like it anybody can watch it and i feel like anybody will enjoy it uh i went down a particular rabbit hole that i will detail to get there the name of this video is carillon that's c-a-r-i-l-l-o-n i'm going to be saying that word a lot so that's what it is and then in parentheses a tower filled with 100 tons of bells by a YouTuber named Rob Scallon, who is a music producer, instrumentalist, who mostly does videos where he will focus in on a specific sort of exotic instrument.

And I went down this rabbit hole because during one of my recent bouts of insomnia, it was about, I would say, I would clock it at about 1.30 a.m. and I was just on YouTube going down a hole and I was like, I wanna hear some hurdy-gurdy music. You know what a hurdy-gurdy is? Perfect. I'm glad you don't because I'm definitely gonna do

a hurdy-gurdy segment at some point. Okay, I've heard that phrase. It's like an old instrument with a, instead of, it's like a violin, but instead of playing with a bow, you play it with a wheel. It's wild. It's so fucking cool.

But anyway, he did an episode on a hurdy-gurdy, which I watched, and then I watched an episode he did on the koto, which is a traditional Japanese, I think, like nine or 13-string instrument that's pretty wild. And then I found carillon, a tower with 100 tons of bells in it, and just, ooh, loved it, loved it, so good. A carillon is what it says, what i just said in the title of the video it is essentially a playable bell tower uh that has uh typically there was a number over 23 cast iron

bells that can be played at a keyboard like apparatus uh and that keyboard like apparatus is not a keyboard it is basically a bunch of levers that are, you know, mechanically wired to, you know, little strikers that ring the bells when you press them, and you have to press some of them with tremendous force. So you're not playing them with your fingers. In fact, you're playing them with loosely closed fists, which looks kind of painful. I know I only showed you like a fraction of the video just before we started recording, but I can't imagine banging on those wooden levers attached to like striking devices against

bells feels really great after an extended period of time. I just I never really thought about how that sound was made. I just always kind of assumed it was like like a digital alarm clock. So where it would just play a thing and nobody would be responsible for it most carolins do have some sort of automated playing uh thing but they are all you know ultimately wired to at the end of the process a bell is being rung so at the end of the process like it is a mechanical sound so even if it is like an electrical process is it is an electrical process that pulls down a wire to strike a bell.

So it's never like, you know, there's a loudspeaker just playing bell noises. And the biggest bell in this video, which focuses on the Rockefeller Memorial Chapel at University of Chicago. Yeah, I like when you mentioned that, I was like, I don't know if I remember. And then as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, shit, yeah. that i was like i don't know if i remember and then as soon as i heard it i was like oh shit yeah uh it has 72 bells uh in what is called the laura spellman rockefeller memorial carillon and it's

the second biggest carillon in the world uh which is uh kind of remarkable and in this video rob scallon like treats it just like you know the hurdy-gurdy or the koto where it's like oh here's a instrument that i don't know anything about uh and gets a like in-depth tour of the carillon from the carillonure, which is the name of a person who plays a carillon. And you get to go inside and see these bells. The biggest bell in this tower is almost 17 tons. And it plays like, and you hear that and it's like, that's a wild, wild size for something to be and then they

get into like the musical properties of this 17 ton object like oh yeah well it's a it's a d sharp two two octaves below uh middle c which is wild to think of like a thing the size of a bell that size as having like an inherent musical property another thing that here's what's great about this video right you mentioned you walk by and you hear bell tower music and you just hear it and you don't think about yeah you don't think anything about it somebody's like up there hitting it this video is a half hour long and in it you it is just this cascade of realizations and questions that you now have about this otherwise mundane thing that you have experienced all your life. Like for instance,

uh, did you know that the sound that a clock tower plays, uh, whenever the hour rolls by the song that it plays has a name. It's the Westminster quarters. Never knew that. Never knew that song had a name. And it also has four parts because traditionally they would play it every

quarter hour to tell you, uh, you know to provide a sort of sound based cue for what time it was uh and the like notes that they would play or rather the segments of the song that they would play would be different depending on where they were in the my brain is just like blowing up right now because i'm thinking about the functional purpose of that right like before everybody had like a wristwatch for example. Absolutely, right. But then that's just the first question, right?

Like, how do you strike a 17-ton bell to produce noise? Where do you strike it? How do you automate that process? How would you, in the case of a carillon, where it's attached to an apparatus where you can play the bells, like a musical instrument, how do you compose for that, right? There's a few different considerations that I hadn't even thought about where, first of all, bells of any size have natural overtones. When you ring a bell, it's not just playing one sort

of resonant note. It is playing also like several overtones or undertones around that note, which can make it kind of like tricky to write a piece that has like typical melodic elements on top of it. Not only that, but on a piano, if you want to hold a note, you press the key and you hold it down, right? You can't do that with a carillon because if you do that, the striker is held up against the side of the bell and it doesn't ring. And on a similar note, some of the bigger bells, the 17 ton bell, if you press it to get this low d sharp it's going to be producing that sound for 40 seconds oh gosh so if you're playing a song and you want to incorporate a low note like that you have to be set for it to be in the song for people to be hearing it for the

better part of an entire minute so how do you write a song around that entire concept right it's so fascinating it's so fascinating and i was wrapped i stayed up at past 2 a.m just like watching this video like tell me more about carolines the thing that i like could not stop thinking about was this caroline how do you learn to play such a public instrument every performance of a carillon is a public the the carillon at university of chicago you can hear it up to a mile and a half away everyone within easily a one mile radius is hearing you learn to play this extremely loud bell instrument and it's hysterical because at one point uh rob scallon they let him sit down at the at the keyboard and he's just kind of getting a feel for how hard you have to press the lever

right and so he's like trying to press the the lowest note which requires the most force to strike it and he's like slams it a few times and the cameraman just goes well now everyone in a one mile radius thinks it's three o'clock because you just struck the bell three times and i was like oh god i didn't even think about that everything you do while playing this instrument everyone here so while shooting this video i couldn't stop think about like i couldn't stop thinking about like everybody is hearing this dude bomb yeah on this and they must be looking at this church and being like what's going on up there so i wanted to know like how do you learn how to play

the carillon and there's actually several schools like across the globe where you can learn to do it i say several not a lot but even in the u.s there are a number of music programs that offer like carillon studies uh including uc berkeley and santa bar Barbara, University of Michigan, which has two of the 23 Grand Carolons in the world. I don't know why they have two of them. Do they go like amp versus amp? I don't know. I can't imagine it. And University of Florida, University of Denver, and Missouri State all offer carillon programs, which is wild. Fascinating. But there's a ton of carillons like at colleges you know anywhere uh they just don't necessarily offer specific courses of study there are two schools with a student-led carillon newer program uh that you know the responsibility for

taking care of the clock tower and playing music i've been thinking a lot about is maintenance and upkeep and like who are these people that come in and know how to tune it? It's all, well, they don't. You can't tune it. I mean, the way that you tune a 17 ton bell is by shaving metal away from the inside of it. So it's all preventative, right? You have to rotate the striker so that it's not hitting the bell like in the exact same

point and shaving away metal at that point because there's two antinodes on a bell where it produces like the ideal sound. So ideally, you want to be striking as close to that as possible but then you don't want to wear it down in that point so yeah and the repair i don't know it's crazy to think about uh two of these uh student-led programs where they just like do the carillon on on their own are in yale and university of texas i guess i don't know i don't know that i've ever really heard the the carillon down there very well uh I also didn't know the word carillon until I watched this video there's so much to learn and you learn it all watching this video and it's such a wild idea like it's a wild idea for an instrument it's a what like how do you learn it how do you maintain it how do you build it how does how does

any of it work and it's all contained within this 30 minute video that is just fucking fantastic. If YouTube videos could get Oscars or Emmys, I feel like this one is deserving of it. And everyone should go watch it. That's really cool. Yeah. Hey, can I steal you away? Yeah. We have a couple of grumble trams here, and I would love to read the first one here,

if you would allow me. The first one, you didn't say yes, but you winked at me very suggestively. It was a very damp wink. It's for Sam. It's from Mouse, who says, Sam, I just wanted you to know that I love you more each and every day and I wouldn't want to be on this journey

with anyone else. You're my best friend and I'll never tire of the countless nicknames you give to me or our wonderful dog child, Gemma. I'm so proud of you and am lucky to be your partner. I can't wait to see where life takes us. What kind of nickname game do you think they're bringing to the table?

I was gonna ask you if you have any nicknames that you're particularly fond of. I know that you always wanted Mac to be part of your life. Like for people to call me Mac? Yeah. That would have been weird because my dad is Mac,

but I did have a coach who was also my homeroom teacher in high school who called me Mac and I did like it. I mean, I have a really good nickname. For you? Yeah, our friend Evan

started calling me Rage. It makes me sound like such a badass. Yeah, it does. It fits so well, too. You want to do the other one? Yes, this message is for Jane George Coolstanza, and it is from Julia Small Crimes. Man, speaking of nicknames, huh?

Yeah. Way to be the raddest human around. You do so much for the portland poetry community on top of being the most amazing friend a nerd like me could ever ask for i'm glad tonta has logan's dragonborn shoulders to ride around on god hearing you tackle that sentence was so good i relish your wit and salsa your face i can't wait till the stupid pandemic is over so i can give you the biggest hug it's like you didn't know which words in that D&D sentence were like nouns and which ones were adjectives. I reached out to you for help and you just grabbed both your hands back and said no.

Sometimes you gotta let the bird fly out of the nest on its own. And sometimes the bird falls to ground and goes flat. I like that this poetry personality has the nickname George Coolstanza. Yeah, sure. I think that's A plus word. Very fitting. One, two, one, two, three, four. Hi, everybody.

My name is Justin McElroy. I'm Sydney McElroy. We're both doctors. Nope, just me. Okay, well, Sydney's a doctor and I'm a medical enthusiast. And we create Sawbones, a marital tour of misguided medicine. Every week, I dig through the annals of medical history to bring you

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you Sawbones, a marital tour of misguided medicine. And remember, don't drill a hole in your head. Can I get that second thing? Yes. What do you got? My second thing is healthy food that makes you happy. Oh! You know when you eat a healthy food and you're like, yeah.

Yeah, I did it. You did it well i did it yeah but that more speaks to the scarcity with which i incorporate healthy foods into my that's not entirely fair i feel like i'm not well you know i was talking about that stroganoff one of those foods is mushrooms mushrooms mushrooms has the uh the vitamin d and you know i'm always talking about vitamin d on here and how it helps you with the serotonin that's true oh yeah yeah i guess that's true i feel like when i eat a carrot i'm like i feel like i've done like i've got some sort of uh-huh some sort of power up going on inside me yeah i mean some of that is just like knowing it's healthy and feeling good about it

but some of it is like the actual like vitamins and properties of the food. Yeah. That is like actually makes you feel good. Are you talking, I mean, are you about to get on some like acai shit? Are you about to get on some superfoods? No, that's what I wanted to say. I, as somebody who has taken medication for mental health, I am not advocating that this is a replacement for that. No. But there are some foods out there that really do.

They got the good stuff in there and it has a good impact on your body. Yogurt. Yes, yogurt. That's my, that's my, oh, that's my guy. Rachel sometimes will get kefir from the store. Yeah. Or kefir sutherland. I'll eat that, drink that.

Oh, got me feeling. Griffin is a busy man. And he doesn't want to sit down with a spoon. No. And just dig around in a little cup of yogurt. This is even, this is a step above and he doesn't want to sit down with a spoon. No. Dig around in a little cup of yogurt. This is even this is a step above go-gurt. Like go-gurt, you still have to do the manual mechanical operation of squeezing the little popsicle pack up into your mouth. Kiefer, you can just.

Griffin wants to knock it back like he is an athlete in Gatorade. Yeah. Just like sweating that yogurt out his pores. If I ever win some sort of big award, I want you to come and upend a big bucket of kefir right on my head. So reading about the probiotics, it aids in digestion, it boosts the immune system. Yep. And it also supposedly has a calming effect on the body.

Oh, for sure, baby. I guess calming that you're like, all right, now I'm taken care of. I am going to poop today. Another one of those foods, salmon. Salmon? That explains it. Why I'm at peak fucking physical condition right now. It's got that omega-3, which helps keep your hair and skin shiny.

Yeah. Which helps give you the appearance of happiness. Yeah. You're all shiny. Sure. There you go. Fish oil supplements can also do that. Yeah. I took those for a while.

They disagreed with me. I like the real deal, Holyfield. And I mean, there's all other sorts of, you know, vitamin C is another one. Vitamin C helps you, I'm not, vitamin C is another one helps you. I'm not saying vitamin C like cures the cold, by the way. No. But it's I mean, it's a good vitamin to have in you. You get it in broccoli, oranges, kale, strawberries.

I think there is something to when I if we're getting food from a, you know, pick up from a restaurant or something. Yeah. And I elect not to get the shrimp tacos which is not the worst thing that i could get and instead get the salad it's there is a cookie points is a fun joke that we like to do in our family but there is something about cookie points that is sort of cerebrally rewarding uh-huh yeah i think whenever we do take out i like to think what is something I'm not going to make at home? And or what is something that's going to have a lot more vegetables than I have in my fridge right now? Right. Salads are good. Good. Good itch.

Salads is just vegetables for the most part. Dark chocolate is actually helpful. Okay, here we go. Just trying to slide that one in. Dark chocolate is actually helpful. Okay, here we go. You're just trying to slide that one in. Health benefits including easing emotional stress, according to a 2009 American Chemical Society trial. And I will say that, man.

You take a little bite of that dark chocolate, and I'm like, all right, I'm going to be okay. Interesting. So, see, you're Sour Patch Kids? That can't be right. I guess it's Sour Patch Kids. Another vitamin found in a lot of foods magnesium i don't know much about this guy uh it's found in dark leafy greens nuts seeds pumpkin seeds

avocados whole grains yogurt and swiss chard kind of sounds uh helps balance serotonin kind of sounds like we wanted to do a segment on yogurt but we didn't want to be like got around it fully jamie lee curtis about it so we're trying to sneak it in uh i will also say uh folic acid is another one uh helps uh aid deficiencies that lead to a drop in serotonin you can find that in spinach bok choy turnip greens god i wish there was just one vegetable or fruit that i could eat that I knew had just kind of all of it. I guess that's like the idea of like an ambrosia sort of substance, which, you know, don't exist. But if there was just one, if it was just spinach, like I don't love spinach. I don't hate it, but I would eat it a lot if I knew like eat the spinach and you're fucking set for everything.

I know, right? I mean, you you think that's got to be it right because everybody's putting that in a smoothie everybody's just like put like three cups of spinach in a smoothie yeah i don't really know why but then it's like spirulina and it's like i don't know what that is but does it have it all i'll eat spirulina i did have a smoothie once with spirulina in it and i then maybe anecdotally i had the worst diarrhea of my entire life so maybe griffin's pretty sure he should never eat spirulina i'm about 90 positive it was a spirulina sort of situation i wanted to bring up the reason i got on this path is i've been really wanting some quinoa lately quinoa is kind of a mystery to me. I used to make it. I haven't in a very long time. It's a grain.

You boil it in the water. And I was reading about it, and it's got a lot of protein. Yeah. And there's a flavonoid in it that has antidepressant effects. I don't know what flavonoid is. I didn't look it up. I don't want to know. Flavonoid is a wild word, huh?

Yeah. It sounds like a 1990s Sega Genesis game that's licensed by Cheerios or something like that. Well, I mean, I guess I'm thinking of the noid. I am thinking of the noid. Yeah. And the flavonoid is like, you know, the noid battled freshness. So the flavonoid, I imagine, would be like, instead of, you know, ruining the freshness of the pizza, the flavonoid would go after the flavor somehow.

Yeah. Yeah, this sounds also like it could have been like Doritos' answer to the Noid. Yeah, yeah. The flavonoid gets in there with the Cool Ranch, you know. Or it could just be, the Noid was Domino's, yes, I believe. And so like it could just be that Domino's was like, people love the Noid was Domino's, yes, I believe. And so like, it could just be that Domino's was like, people love the Noid. What if he had a brother who went after flavor instead of freshness?

And then they did it for like one or two commercials and people were like, that's too many Noids. I've been thinking about this more lately just because we have been doing so much takeout and I'm trying to like diversify our takeout options right we found some healthy some healthy ones that have things like salmon oh and it's exciting yeah like I'm never gonna buy salmon I'm not gonna buy it we bought salmon a couple times yeah you know we'll soup you up in the store and I'm looking I'm just like I don't

know what to do with that yeah and and you know but it's good for you yeah it's strong but it makes you feel good feel good strong hair i could i could make a i could make a a ship worthy rope out of my hair right now yes you and me both i could rig a sail of some kind uh can i tell you about my second thing yes i anticipate it will be quite quick my second thing is capture the flag capture the flag capture the flag the game that you play in real life but also like the concept of capture the flag as represented in other games digital and otherwise i just really like capture the flag i can count the number of times i played it in my youth on maybe one hand

yeah right like i feel like this is something that presented itself to me not until high school and disappeared immediately after wow interesting see most of mine was was earlier than that i feel like uh once you got to high school nobody getting a game of capture the flag together is equivalent to like as an adult now trying to get like a poker night together back in the before times where it's just like it's a huge amount of effort like with my group of friends i feel like I could get everybody excited about Capture the Flag, but getting everybody excited at the same time with enough time for us to play

in a place where we could play Capture the Flag, when we could just as easily just like, you know, attach a retractable dog leash to somebody's back belt loop and have them run until we snap it back at the last second. Like that's much easier to do. That was a thing for you? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You talked to Michael, it back at the last second like that's much easier to do that was a thing for you oh yeah

oh yeah you talked to you talked to michael you talked to evan about some of that oh we ripped a lot of belt buckle loops and people be like what the fuck happened to your back belt buckle this coincided with the time of jackass didn't it i mean i guess it was a pretty low stakes jackass although one time i did do it it ripped michael's belt loop right off and the metal tip of it came back hit me right in the forehead oh that that close to a to one of my precious little eyeballs uh but capture the flag man it it rules it is a fairly modular game where you know i say capture the flag and i imagine there are multiple version of versions of it that people think about typically uh you're talking about two bases two teams each with a flag you want to grab the opponent opposing team's flag from their base get it back to your own to win

or score a point typically there's some version of tag also involved where if you're in enemy territory and you get tagged something happens either you're out or you are typically we play freeze where you're frozen and you have to go back to your side or that. Yeah. Or you freeze until a teammate can come in and rescue you. Yeah. And I mean, that is about it. Sometimes you have to. Sometimes you can hide the flag.

I always thought that that was bullshit because people would always cheat like I hid it in my mom's locked car. Like, fuck you. There's no way. I feel like it was easy to be a player in a game of capture the flag and just have no idea that the game was over. That is also a problem. If you played over like a wide enough terrain, you'd be like on one side and somebody would come up to you and be like, oh, yeah, no, they got our flag. It's over.

But there's not a ton of like variation to the rules beyond that. Right. It's kind of tough to track like the origins of any sort of folk game like this there was uh a 1908 boy scout training manual published called uh simply scouting for boys uh that detailed uh the rules of a game that it called flag raiding which kind of resembles capture the flag but with a decidedly sort of uh war games feel uh that maybe makes sense for the era uh what i like about capture the flag is that it mixes like a lot of disciplines and a lot of like game ideas that i you know am a fan of uh it's like i am not a particularly great runner which sort of put me at a disadvantage in a lot

of different games but in capture the flag if you're not a great runner, you can still be strategic in a way that maybe your peers aren't. Because you have to distribute who's defending, who's attacking. There's also a stealth element, which was always my favorite genre of game to play when I was a kid. Again, I'm not a fast runner or thrower or anything like that, but I can hide with the best of them. And so you get a sneaky approach up on that flag and grab it and run. Then you can kind of hold your own in a game where otherwise you maybe couldn't.

And not only that, you would be thrust into the spotlight. Ooh, there's nothing more exhilarating and terrifying than like having the flag and running with it. And you're solely responsible at that point for the victory or loss of your team. It's very very very glory there's glory there which was not a thing that i was ever really used to um playing it like in a sleepover when it's like dark uh my probably the biggest game i ever played was at a church lock-in in our church which was uh a fairly large church it was like a three-story building. And playing it took the better part of the lock-in, like most of the little hours.

You were playing it in the building? In the building, right? Oh, interesting. So one team was on one side of the first floor. The other team was on the other side of the third floor. So the second floor was a sort of like. Oh, I like that. I always pictured it as an outdoor game.

Yeah. I mean, you can play it outdoors, but you can also play it indoors. And it was pretty fun and there were a ton of kids there so it was like a all hands on deck team-based game that lasted forever i think my team lost but it was still like a lot of fun and then we looked outside and like the sun was coming up and we were like oh no i'm going to be so tired tomorrow um i of course i've played it more commonly in video games uh i think halo is probably my biggest touchstone for this especially when we would have land parties for halo one and two and

by the time three came out i think most people were playing online but like playing capture the flag in that environment is also very fun for similar reasons like i play a lot of first person shooters but i'm not like amazing at them. I'm not like, you know, my aim is not as good as it is for somebody who like plays, grew up playing like Counter-Strike and like really intense military shooters. But, you know,

I can grab a flag and run with it and work on my like timing and sort of situational awareness. And it adds a sort of technique to any kind of game whether it's a you know uh an mmo like world of warcraft has like a capture the flag mode uh where even if you're not great at the core principles of the game there is a entirely sort of mental and you know cerebral element uh that the game otherwise doesn't challenge you on. And I find that so fascinating. I find that really, really cool. Like it fits into a lot of different game ideas

and it just sort of adds a, if you will, a third heat onto what the game already asks you to do. Now, I like that point because I remember in high school, we would have a lot of half days where people would go meet up at a park. And a lot of times folks got into playing like Ultimate Frisbee yeah which i was like kind of okay about you know there's not a whole lot of running with that but you have to be really good at throwing and catching a frisbee right that was only okay at that but capture the flag i liked right there's like room

for everybody if you're not a fast runner you just hang out by your flag you play defense which like you know very few people are willing to do but i would always be like yeah i'll just post up here and make sure we don't lose yeah seems like an important you know it's not the most glorious position but you know it's essential and that i expect some form of recognition for it now 20 20 years later but i never got it anyway let's capture's Capture the Flag. It's a good game. I like it. I would play it as an adult now. Yeah, for sure. I mean, not now.

Yeah, not in this moment. Unless we incorporated some sort of like six foot away nerf gun, but even that seems like a risky. This must be why people have children. Yeah, so they can organize CTF with them. Yeah, I mean, we have played more hide and seek with our progeny than uh i have ever played

my lifetime learned that i'm maybe not as good at it as i think i am you're better than henry well henry likes to hide behind the same mirror every time and then once he hears you into the room he likes to start hiding he's like i'm going to hide and you can see exactly where he has in mind you go count. Hey, can I tell you what our friends at home are talking about? Yes. Emily says, time-lapsed videos of plants growing, mushrooms, flowers, anything are amazing. Nature is wild.

I do love that. I love watching mushrooms especially. This is a mushroom-heavy episode, but mushrooms grow in the wildest ways. Mushrooms grow wild, man. Different mushrooms, like a moral, like will grow like, or morale. I think that's how you're supposed to say it. I've always struggled with that. I have no idea. It like grows in like this weird web.

Mushrooms are crazy, man. They have gills that open up sometimes. What are you doing, mushrooms? It's that fungus thing, man. And then Ariapna. I hope I'm saying that right. It's a cool name. Something I find wonderful is camping.

Being surrounded by trees and breathing the crisp air while making coffee early in the morning is a feeling I'll never get over. I wish we were better about liking camping. Well, the problem is that Texas gives you about one month a year where it's good to camp. It's good to camp, yeah. And we don't have any gear at all. Don't have any gear.

It feels weird to have gear for one month out of the year. We have built our lives around not having any camping gear. But if we're not, what better time is there to get into camping than now? I know. A lot of people that live in a better climate are really taking advantage of this. Damn it. And I get it. Maybe when it gets cooler, we should talk about it.

We'll have a talk with our spiritual advisors. We got to invest in those good quality air mattresses. Oh, you know it. I'm not sleeping on the ground. I kinda want to, if you'll forgive the use of the term, glamp. Oh, for sure.

It's the only way we could do it. Only way we could do it is if there was some sort of... And all those flaps with the netting, you let the breeze through. Oh, God, gotta have them flaps. Gotta have that fine mesh. This is,

I think you've talked about this before, of going into like an outdoor equipment store. Yeah, now let's scratch that itch, man. The idea of having a good tent seems nice. Yeah. Hey, thank you to Bowen and Augustus for these sort of themes on Money Won't Pay. Find a link to that in the episode description.

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it's not i should just walk out yeah just try it right now we'll see how it feels okay oh my god she's actually doing it you could so here's the truth is that rachel couldn't even pretend to be rude so much that she did just open and shut the door doing a sort of um radio drama sort of michael winslow routine oh walking away yeah it's weird your footsteps sound so far away but your voice was just so crystal clear it It's these lavalier mics we wear. Oh, that's what it is. I'm downstairs right now. You're so good. Working on money Working on money

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