Wonderful! - Wonderful! 199: In Relationship with the Orbeez

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

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Hi, it's Rachel McElroy. Hey, it's Griffin McElroy. And it's wonderful. It's coming at you fresh. It's coming at you hot. I'm trying something new. Hey And it's wonderful. It's coming at you fresh. It's coming at you hot. I'm trying something new. Hey, it's Griffin. Hey, what's up? It's Griffin and Rachel. It's your girl. It's your girl and your boy, Rachel and Griffin. Here for another show of podcast. I don't like the grunting. I feel like I have to flex a little bit if this is the that's

like that felt like the right energy for me okay just a sort of like uh mtv spring break like it's griffin did you ever were you ever at an age where you saw m Spring Break and thought, no, it looks like fun. I'd like to be out there. No, it wasn't for you and me. Well, okay. Let's not. All right. It wasn't for me.

Yeah. I mean, I could have danced up on a stage. Super duper duper cool. Me and Kurt Loder, just like. Yeah, Kurt Loder. Kurt Loder, just like- Yeah, Kurt Loder. Kurt Loder, known-

Famous dancer. Kurt Loder was always old, you know? I adore Kurt. I got to meet Kurt Loder when I did the street team stuff. I know, you told me. I had lunch with him and Sway, and it was one of the most memorable meals of my entire life. Sway just sat down with us like,

hey, what's up? Can I sit here? And we were like, yes, Sway, you can, because you. Sway just sat down with us like, hey, what's up? Can I sit here? And we were like, yes, Sway, you can because you're Sway. Anyway, we are, I worry narrow casting to people with a

deep well of knowledge. Can I be honest? I don't even know who Sway is. Oh my God, babe. I've only heard of Sway through your mentioning of this very specific experience.

This very specific mention that I had. Yeah. Kurt Loder and Sway. Do you have any small wonders heard of sway through your mentioning of this very specific experience this very specific mention that i had yeah kurt loder and sweat um do you have any small wonders before we really get into the nitty-gritty of it the the the meat of the matter do you want to go first uh i've been having trouble sleeping lately yeah which means i've been dipping my toe back into the waters of asmr and uh i i like a i like a uh a weird asmr at this point when i say i guess that is an incredibly loaded and non-specific yeah what makes a weird asmr i like the ones it's like, we're gonna put this 3D microphone into a bunch of Orbeez.

And it's like, yeah, that sounds pretty good, actually. Can I tell you something that's maybe revealing about me and my own fears of intimacy? Yeah. Is that ASMR feels like something I'm not supposed to be doing. It's inherently quite intimate. And there are, I mean, smarter folks than I have certainly waxed philosophical about the sort of like neurological link between that sort of stimulation response and like the feeling of feeling of oh this is a you're whispering

in my ears like it's it is tough to uh separate that out but i find that i don't know it uh there there are like a few videos that i find are genuinely quite helpful for it works yeah mellowing me mellowing me out i think the same part of me that doesn't like someone touching my face also doesn't like asmr for sure for sure i i don't i'm i don't get into a lot of talking though like there's a lot of videos that's just like this is we're gonna submerge your head in a bucket of orbeez yeah see that's better then you're not like in relationship with the orbeez yeah no yeah i like to keep a distance away from my ears and people on the internet's sort of mouth sounds. But Orbeez dunked my head right in those nasty balls. Let's go, let's go, let's go. I hope nobody extracts that terrible phrase you just said out loud.

I just assume everybody's just ripping our sound quotes out to make like weird, deep, fake voicemails for themselves and stuff. Certainly that was enough time. Yes. I am going to say like a jumparoo, a bouncer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, of course, for the babies. Yeah, sure. Before they can stand up and jump on their own own you can put them in this device designed to allow

them to to live that dream yeah and uh our youngest little gus he he is so delighted by it yes it's like you can tell that he's like i can't normally do this it's, it's turbo empowering for a baby who like, I can't crawl yet, but you put me in this special device and I can fucking jump really high. Yeah. That's outrageous. Yeah. It doesn't matter like what time of day or how many times he's been in it. Every time he gets in, he's like, what?

What? Are you kidding me? I'm upright? Yeah. That's great. That's very good. Yeah. Our boys are really good right now.

They're getting good now. They're really good now. I mean, they're all, we love them with our soul, the core of our existence, right? Yeah. But also, there have been highs and lows. And those of you that listened to our early episodes with the second one know that he was quite an angry infant. And complete 180. Complete 180.

Total dreamboat now. And him and Henry have been like goofing around together. Oh, shit. That's so good. It's such good stuff. I feel it's funny. Like we do this show where we talk about things that we like and things that we're into. And if we were being 100% like with the audience all the time, like it would just be us talking about our kids nonstop because they do things that are so delightful and like soul nourishing literally all the time uh but i feel like that is uh i don't

know that's like probably a thing that i'm sure some folks like hearing about and stuff but i don't know that we could sustain a podcast out of well okay henry well and also like nobody likes your kid as much as you like your kid that's another you know i find that even like we have friends who have children whose children are approximately the same age that we see all the time. And when they talk to me about their kids, I just know I'm not as interested

as they think I might be. Well, yeah, I mean that, but that's true of not just, I mean, that's true of anybody, right? That's true of any parent on the planet. So I just assume the listener who has no real vested interest in our children is like yeah cool i just want to say to our friends who do listen to our podcast uh i love

hearing about it just keep it keep that train rolling i don't know uh i don't know why rachel has taken this stance it's just the the sparkle and the joy in their voice i know cannot be matched by me who did not produce their children right sure sure i go first this week i kind of i feel so sure i have glanced off this topic before uh but it is in the like pantheon of things that i think are valuable and life-changing for me gps is like maybe number one up on there. As far as I can tell, I talked about geocaching, which maybe is where we discussed GPS before. Yeah, that sounds right.

And that is partially what inspired this because Henry and I went geocaching at a park in Austin this past weekend, and it was super, super fun. Did he like get into like i i don't know what uh technology you used but yeah were you like looking at a map yeah we're looking at a map on my phone and like had a compass that was like leading our way to it and before we found the first cache he was like not super into it. But then we opened it up and he found this little tiny astronaut eraser inside of it that we replaced with, I think, a carcasson piece. And at that point he was like, hell yes, treasure.

Let's go. But like I try very hard not to like go full Andyoney on on this podcast but like this is probably the biggest thing that i feel like folks born into like smartphones yes don't really cannot appreciate is the fact that like when you used to leave your house to go somewhere new or somewhere that you were unfamiliar with, 50% of the time, you would get lost. There was just a very, there was a reality where you would, if somebody showed up to a party that we were throwing and they were two hours late in 2021

and were like, sorry, man, I got lost. I would be like, that's baloney. What I used to do a lot uh is i would print out the directions off of map quest and the problem with that is that if you take a wrong turn you have a little bit if you take one wrong turn the directions are useless to you unless you're able to like reverse engineer like okay i turn left here when i should have turned right so in order to get back to where i was i should turn right yeah and even then like there wasn't time a long period of time before map quest right like i feel like uh by the time i

was like driving map quest was there for me and i definitely took a couple of long ass road trips with like 30 pages of map quest printed out to get me from point a to point b i get a drive from huntington to boston and back on map quest directions which is wild to me but at the same time like one of the last trips i i took pre-iphone pre like gps on my onPS on the thing I take pictures with and post them on the internet. I went to Chicago. And on the way back, I got lost in Cincinnati for a long time. Because there was one on-ramp that I just could not find to get me to the highway. I drove on the wrong side of the highway for a little bit in Cincinnati, which was rough.

I'd pull onto the shoulder and just like wait for there to be no cars. Oh, God. Anywhere. It was terrifying. I mean, when you moved here in 2011, I still didn't have GPS on my phone. Yeah, that's bonkers to me. I was still using like a little flip phone. Because by the time I moved to Cincinnati, that was just about the time where I had the iPhone, which like I would, I genuinely would not have done it if I did not have a smartphone with, with GPS on it, because I,

I, I don't like being lost. I don't like, I don't like that experience. I certainly would not have moved to Chicago without it. Uh, that is one of the things that you and I have never really had to weather as a couple is the experience of being lost with somebody is so stressful. And I don't know that you and I have ever really had to deal with that. Definitely. Like when we were in Hong Kong, like on our international trips, certainly we got lost while looking for places. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. But just like a restaurant or something, not like, you know.

Home. Yeah, for sure. So I feel like this is the big thing that I take for granted because I use it a lot, like a few times a week if I'm going somewhere, even places I've been before. Right. Oh, yeah. There are some kids activities that I like to do with Henry here in Austin that are like a good 30, 40 minutes away from from the city. And even though I've been to them dozens of times, I still don't like fuck do with Henry here in Austin that are like a good 30, 40 minutes away from the city. And even though I've been to them dozens of times, I still don't like fuck around with that.

Like I'll punch it into my phone because that takes one second and it saves me from driving the wrong direction for a half hour. So GPS, by the way, I'm using that term sort of generically, like the capital GPS, Global Positioning System is owned and operated by the U.S. government. It's actually operated by the Space Force, previously known as the U.S. Air Force Space Command before it was split off into its own independent branch of the military, which is still bonkers to me but there's like other you know countries other other world powers with their own global positioning systems and independent tech

and stuff like that i'm talking about specifically map on the phone or special map electronics that you can have in your car um it it the that technology unsprisingly, has like a long lineage tracing like all the way back to like radio navigation in the early 20th century. In the 60s, like especially during the space race, like work toward GPS tech was done and all of that stuff was very classified. And so it's hard to sort of know, to pinpoint the exact origins of it. But in 1973, the Department of Defense created a 24 satellite array that would go up into orbit and then would, you know, help you figure out where you are in relation to whatever satellites were visible to your device at that time. That was, that that was 1973 it wouldn't become fully operational until like 1995 do you have any and and i am not trying to put you on the spot but do you have any

understanding of how satellites like how do they get them where they want them to be and how do they make sure they stay there i mean it's it's very complicated stuff. Yeah. From what I, I mean, they get them up there like they get anything up into space, which is to say they boost that shit. Yeah. They thrust that shit up there and then get it into a, you know, geosynchronous, that's not what that word means an orbit that will like yeah but they have to like how do they pick a spot and then they put it and it just like doesn't just float away well because it stays in orbit

around earth and as long as like the momentum of it doesn't doesn't I mean it won't change because there's no and I'm sure they have little

like correctional thrusters and stuff in case they need to put a little bit of English on the ball. Yeah, because there's always stuff like debris, you know? Sure, yeah. I don't know. Like I always kind of took for granted

the idea that there were satellites and they helped us know things about our earth. Right. But just in this moment now, I'm like, how are they still there yeah well the the uh like u.s owned and operated global positioning system is made is made out of at this point 31 satellites that's it by the way which seems like not very many satellites for for space yeah and i think like back in the day it was like if if four of them could see you at any

point like they could you know not triangulate square quadrangulate your position um but today you know there are more satellites and so it is easier to sort of get more accuracy to when i was geocaching with henry it was like you're one and a half feet away from it like holy shit space eyes you can tell that yeah um well you know how they know it's uh the vaccines the vaccines do it's just a bunch of tiny sad tall nights that you put right in your that's not true please get vaccinated holy shit um it's just this entire field of like cartography and navigation was supplanted by this technology that became incredibly ubiquitous incredibly fast like i bought an iphone and and there were other what was it tom tom was like the one that you could get or like gps or garmin garmin like the one that you could get. They were like GPS.

Or Garmin. Garmin, yeah. Like things that you could like buy our, you know, 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee. It's got a Garmin in it. That's like just right there, right on it. And now it's like, well, I just plug my phone into the shit. But like this was a thing, a human civilization experience of like I got to get from here to there. Time to figure out how.

And some people were good at it and some people were bad at it. And there were entire industries based around like here is an atlas of all the highways of Tennessee. atlas of all the highways of uh you know tennessee and then they were like but now you just do it on the phone and all that shit is now completely irrelevant yeah and that's wild to me whenever that happens to any kind of huge thing that it can be just sort of replaced overnight um there's so many comedians that had bits about folding maps and how difficult it was those are gone and now none of it matters it those are just done now um i don't know i i find i find it very uh from a just sort of like conceptual standpoint i find gps the fact that it works kind of remarkable yeah the fact that it is uh everywhere pretty remarkable the fact that it works, kind of remarkable. The fact that it is everywhere, pretty remarkable.

The fact that you don't really get lost anymore and reducing the amount of anxiety that that caused me, which is to say a tremendous amount of anxiety because I don't have a keen navigational sense, remarkable. Like it's very cool and it is the kind of thing that like in my lifetime i didn't have and then i'm probably among one of the final generations of whom that is true and this is not like a you kids today don't know like i'm genuinely glad that kids today won't experience the anxiety of driving the wrong way down a highway in Cincinnati

for two hours. But it is novel to me that like, that's a thing that happened to us and then probably won't happen to the folks who come after us. Like right after us. Yeah, to just like to have the comfort of knowing that when our children are old enough to drive

and they are going somewhere. I pulled over at a gas station and borrowed their phone to call dad. Like, hey, I'm lost. And he's like, where are you? And I'm like, a gas station in Cincinnati. There are trees outside. Like, oh, man. Yeah, I did.

I've definitely done that before where it's just like i am on this highway near this exit i can tell you that and then just sitting on the phone with my dad i can see your dad at the fucking command center no i not to not to uh to ruin your impression but neither of my parents are particularly good with directions well Well, they still print out MapQuest directions, which I admire tremendously. Can I steal you away? Yes. Thank you.

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So this poetry corner was actually motivated by a listener. Oh, hey. Which is not something I've done before. But Milo Ray on Instagram reached out to me and said that they review books professionally and recently read a poetry collection that made them think of me. And typically I, you know, would or wouldn't, you know, I don't have a strong process for taking recommendations. But I just said, okay, I'm looking for new poetry. And I found the new collection of poetry and the first collection of poetry from Rachel Long called My Darling from the Lions. Now, did you just pick this poet because they got the same name as you?

Ah, you got me. I bet for you, that's like a real... Never a real never ever ever happens that's a real thing yeah sure it's just me and griffin newman out here sort of holding it down and appropriately we do get confused for each other i think a great deal because it's just the two of us. We can make it if we try. Rachel Long. So this book actually, she is a UK poet. And it was released in the UK in 2020. And then Tin House picked it up here. And it just came out this month.

Oh, wow. In the US. And it's pretty incredible. Yeah? It's pretty incredible. Yeah. It's pretty incredible. What's it like for you finding like a new poet like these days? Because I know you're not like constantly seeking it out. I'm not in the scene. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when I was in Chicago, Chicago has such a like crazy vibrant literary community. There are readings constantly. And so I was finding new

poets literally every week. And then that time in my life ended. And there are definitely poets that come to Austin, Texas. I'm just very removed from that scene. So I went years without finding a new poet. And now I've kind of taken it on as job a little bit. Uh, and so it's very exciting. I have, you know, when I, when I was in school, I had a very academic sensibility and then I kind of returned to my preschool sensibility of like, I just want something that I can sit down and read and enjoy. Not something I have to like look up 25 references for uh and rachel long is is just a really great uh really great poet in that regard uh she writes a lot from her personal experience and seems to just kind of inherently have a sense of what is interesting and important

uh because each of her poems like she doesn't write any like uh i ate a really good apple and well no i took a nap yeah yeah which can't be a good poem i mean you know i love some william carlos williams you know like my man loves produce like yeah like a good plum thanks yeah uh but rachel Long's poems speak really strongly to her personal experience and just, but makes it, I don't know. It's hard to really speak to what exactly she's doing, so maybe I'll just read one of them. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, the pages wrestling.

I love that. This is like an actual book that I bought. Yeah, it's not one of them cyber books. This poem is called Thanksgiving. As if by accident, I find my head washed up window side of his bed. After all that fucking look, the sky is still pinned up. His nose is longer with his eyes shut. This whole time I've been holding, squeezing,

wringing, folding, bending, nodding. Thank you, God, for giving me someone who makes me hold my breath. I will be so light upon his life he won't realize he's kept me. I'll leave not a mark on his pillow, papers, knife, DVDs, or wine glass. What blessing. Only when he is sleeping can I breathe out. So deep my ribs come up like a ship. Wow. Wow. Isn't that great? That's good stuff.

Yeah. She writes a lot. I don't appreciate the language, if I'm being honest, the coarse language. The coarse language, yeah, I know, I know. At the top. I know swearing makes you uncomfortable. Yeah, because it's a poem, you know. I know. At the top. I know swearing makes you uncomfortable. Yeah.

Because it's a poem, you know? It's supposed to be like. It's supposed to be. I can't even pretend to be this person. A little crumb scraper on a table. Yeah. That's what a poem is. Yeah.

It's all thou and thou heart. thou art uh so she she is a um a black woman who has done a lot to speak to the experience of women of color in fact uh she is actually a founder of a poetry collective called the octavia poetry collective for women of color based at the south bank center in the uk uh she talks a lot about the experience of being uh what she calls like both the invisible and also hyper visible and in an interview with the guardian she talks about how you're either the spokesperson or the translator yeah and her experience just in school, like particularly in higher education, like not finding a place for herself and being, you know, like I said, like invisible but also hyper visible. Right. of just this idea of like trying to exist in this space and, and be what somebody else wants you to be.

Right. You know? And I mean, you know, obviously I don't, I don't have that exact experience, but that experience of being with somebody that you feel is different than you and trying to just keep everything unique about yourself like hidden yeah sure you know this idea of like like she doesn't exhale until she knows he's asleep i

feel like there are a lot of people that can kind of speak to that experience of like i'm with somebody who you know would see my flaws and see my reality and and you worry this is very a very relatable thing i think for people who have been in a maybe not so great relationship just like i if i make myself even the smallest bit of a burden yeah this whole thing is just yeah yeah um so so her book the the book that i uh am talking about today My Darling from the Lions, talks a lot about her growing up and her experience of, you know, being somebody of mixed race and trying to figure out how to navigate that. True. is really powerful. It's really well done and really like, like subtle, but done in a very kind of interesting, exciting way. I read this interview between her and Alice Hiller, who is a blogger. And she asks kind of about, you know, her experience of writing and growing up and kind of how she

captured that in her book. And Rachel Long responded, being of dual heritage, I grew up in a white working class area on the outskirts of London. My schools were majoritively white, my friends, half my family. I'm not sure that I thought of myself as black for a long time, mixed, half cast, dark, light skinned, all the rest of it, but not black particularly. That was an understanding, a knowledge, and an acceptance of a self that I had to carve out later. As I grew up, as I left that estate, as I read, spoke, and understood myself within a much wider context. When I was a girl, I thought you had to choose what color you were. I remember sitting in the backseat of my dad's car, dad driving, mom in the passenger seat, and suddenly thinking you

must choose now whether you want to be white like dad or black like mom. Isn't that disturbing? And as I thought that I get to choose how the world perceives me. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot to take on in a first collection of poetry. Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. first collection of poetry yeah for sure uh and and she does it in a way that it feels very intimate and very relatable and she just talks about like there's there's this great like series of poems about her playing with barbies when she's a kid and having like a ken doll and then a black doll like that was Steve and the experience of like playing with your dolls with Ken and Steve and Ken being this like ideal and Steve being this thing that she is trying to like fit

into this world of Barbie and Ken. It's a really great group of poems. And I would, I would just, I would recommend it. It's, it's exciting. I feel like to,

to find a poet that is this new. Yeah. And has so much to say in this first collection. And yeah, I would really encourage people to check it out. Rachel Long. Thank you to Milo. Thank you, Milo. For sending that in.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. That's nice. I like that you got, you know, you found a new friend. Yeah, no, finding a new poet, especially at the beginning of their career, is really exciting. It's like, I mean, it's like finding a, you know, a new musical artist or, you know, a new, I don't know, what resonates with you? Like a new...

What you're about to say is going to be insane. Sometimes I can tell when you're like running up to something that's gonna be like fake demeanor like you're not a demeaning person for the fact that i've played a lot of video games but sometimes you play that character a little bit so like you were thinking i'm gonna guess like it's like when mario learns a new jump or something like that or they like announce a new Pokemon. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I like to play at you being this character that I think some of the world has reduced you to.

Sure, yeah. And then sometimes it feels so mean I can't even get it out of my mouth. Like then. That was then. Yeah. That was then. No, and I appreciate that. Yeah, you're welcome.

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