Wonderful! - Wonderful! 234: One of Your Donkeys Kong

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

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Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hello, this is Griffin McElroy. This is wonderful. Vroom, vroom, vroom. Get in the truck, everybody. It's time for the next chapter. The next evolution. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I mean, we should talk about this, yes? Okay. Yeah. So, this is a show where we talk about things we like, things we're into. It's just your first episode. I'm Griffin, that's Rachel. We're married.

We got two kids. We've lived in Austin, Texas for... for ever since we met ever since we met i've been here since 2011 you've been here since what 2009 2008 2008 gosh dang uh but that's all over now we say fond farewell texas and austin uh because we are moving here in a little over a month which is bonkers yeah we're not saying this because it'll have any kind of dramatic impact on the format of the show no i mean it won't have any impact on the format of the show at all but it may have impact on uh the release schedules for several of our products here at McElroy Industries. Yeah, at least towards the end of July, beginning of August. Yeah, so we are going to be up and moving too, and everybody's

wondering right now. I bet we have friends in Biloxi. Then I know I'm not moving there, or else I would have said the name of the city correctly. In Biloxi or Des Moines, we're not moving either. What are some other cities we're not moving to, honey? I feel like there's some judgment implied in this and I would rather not. Oh, okay. I mean, they're beautiful cities. It's just not where we're going.

We are going to Washington, D.C. Yeah, because Griffin is running for president. I want to be the new president of the United States of America. Here's my platform everything going on all around us sucks let's do something about it america now we have both been to washington dc a bunch of times now and have enjoyed every trip yes and we also wanted to be closer to the rest of the mcelroys yes. We have had to miss like four of the last five

sort of Christmas trips. Yeah. Sometimes very last minute because of COVID. And it is just not possible to hop in a car and drive to where the rest of our family is here, which has proven to be a constant thorn in our side, I would say, over the last few years. And, you know, DC's got a lot of really cool stuff

going on it's a really great place to raise kids got got lots of really neat activities for them you can hop on a train and be in like any other city on the east coast within a few hours and i like that a lot and uh griffin loves trains i i people it's well trodrod. Is it well-mown? I think at this point we have a fondness for these long steel beauties. But yeah, August 1st, we're going to be rolling up into Washington, D.C. We welcome your recommendations for things to do or eat there. Yeah. And we're very excited. And also, I would say, extremely stressed out.

Because moving cross-country by yourself is a tough putt. Doing it with two kids is, I would say, an impossible drive to continue the golfing metaphor. But we're doing the damn thing. Yeah. And, I mean, Austin, we know we have lots of listeners here lots of lots of fans here lots of friends here yeah we're gonna miss we're gonna miss all you know we're gonna miss it a lot i'm very sad to be leaving austin but yeah a new chapter is beginning so turn flip turn the page with us as i inquire with my wife if she has any of those good small wonders that i do crave

so much you know i this happened several days ago where i thought like oh this is going to be my small wonder and then for sure this will be my small wonder uh and now i can't remember what any of them were i really need to write these guys down yeah it'd be good i'm gonna say u-haul boxes now that are the cats out of the bag okay uh. Whenever it's time to move, swing by the U-Haul and pick up some of the best damn cardboard boxes in the business. I am so wild about these guys. I got some that I'm really excited about. They're like specifically for dishes and they come with little separators. Yes.

Like specifically sized for glasses and dishes. Yes. I'm real excited about that. Yeah. We need to pick up some uh like mirror box i forget what they're called yeah i didn't see those at the store but yeah they're supposed to be boxes designed to put in wall art yeah and i have not seen them but but oh boy am i excited yeah i like a u-haul box i'm excited they're like indestructible you're supposed to be able to use them for like multiple moves and i just like uh i i very much enjoy going through the like pile of garbage i have accrued over the last

decade plus in in and uh have just held on to thinking i'm sure i'm going to need that someday and then throwing it away or donating it or selling it is very, is very satisfying. I would say half the things I have in my office are going to a better place, but not our place. And that's been a very rewarding process. What about you now? You got to have something, right? I am going to say, and I may have mentioned this before, but it's been a long time. So Griffin has not, uh, left town without me in a very, very long time. And he did recently. Uh, and I was able to watch some shows, you know, the shows that you watch when you're by yourself, like your partner is not there and so so i um i'm not in particular recommending this show but i did watch the rest of the ultimatum uh and it was not that it was a great show but it was a show that i could watch by myself did we talk about the ultimatum on here i don't know probably not it's not it's not what one would say a great show it does take place in austin which is fun to watch

uh but uh it was just it was very much one of those shows like griffin's not gonna be sad that i watched this without him absolutely and i can have a good time uh and feel like hey i'm doing something for me uh the show is wild conceptually where it's a bunch of couples who have been dating for a while but haven't gotten engaged almost all of them were two years like every single couple sat down and said we've been together two years outrageous amount of time to be dating especially when you're in your like early 20s exactly and most of them were like i want to get married my partner's not sure i'm gonna say either you marry me at the end

of this show or we're breaking up so they swap partners for like six weeks or something like that? Yeah, so everybody has to like pick a person that they wanna live with instead from this group. And then they live with them for like a week and then they go back to living with their original partner for a week. And then at the end, they're like,

either they're like, I for sure wanna get married now or I really enjoyed this other partner and it made me rethink this relationship and now we're breaking up yeah it was a fucking mess it was a mess from the jump i only watched i think the first episode and was like this is a disaster because a lot of these people understandably that made the decision to go on this show where they would potentially put their relationship in danger did not have really great relationships to begin with no so you watch them have these arguments that are very clearly like you should not be together arguments uh and that's always difficult to watch yes um because you feel sad for them sure you know and it's just it's watching hateful people say hateful things to

each other yeah not my not my favorite yeah um but i man but rachel ate that garbage up uh do you want to go i mean you do go first i do yes uh so my wonderful thing this week is the lunchbox. Yes. This is the box for food for the middle of the day. And I'm speaking specifically about kind of the vintage lunchbox. Oh, interesting. Yes. So, and I want to preface this by saying to my dad, who enjoys collecting things, I'm not saying this because I want more lunchboxes.

That's an important caveat to put out there. A lot of times my parents will use this show as like a gift-giving inspiration. And I just want to make clear, we are getting ready to move across the country. Please Christ, do not send us any lunchboxes or anything. In fact, I'm going to say to all family members who listen to this show don't send us anything please every tangible object that

enters this house must be shrewdly categorized in a way that it requires a lot of emotional labor so please do not send us anything uh But I will say years and years ago, my dad got me some lunchboxes. First, there were Pez lunchboxes because I used to have a real affinity for Pez. And then he got me a Fraggle Rock lunchbox and an Alf lunchbox. I believe there's a Return of the Jedi one. They're pretty great. And so what i did recently is that i when i was working at austin community college i put them up top on my little shelf space oh that's fun it was like a like made my office more colorful it was like a little conversation piece for people i kept waiting for somebody to come in and be like i love alf too it didn't happen well and that's

why you're leaving. But it was, I don't know, they're cool. They're cool to display. Like they're just like little pieces of art. And they're all approximately the same size and shape. And so you can get a few together and put them up on a wall. And there you go. I'm struggling to think of a lunchbox I ever had. It is hard to remember. And part of that is because when we were coming up, the whole idea was that you got a new one every year. Yeah. And you would get the design of the thing that you were into at the time. So, you know, it was like super cool to have a Care Bears one when you're in kindergarten, but then you're in first grade and it's like, oh man, Care Bears are out. You know, you got to get a new one. I feel like I had a Power Rangers one at some point,

just sort of like statistically speaking, I must have a power rangers lunchbox at some point but i was much more into sort of just like a nice neutral tone sort of member of the jansport family of products yeah well so that is the other thing i found in my research is that with the invention of backpacks which is like a crazy sentence to say yeah it is wild but the the big like big plastic or metal lunchbox kind of went out of favor because it took up so much space uh in the backpack uh and so you saw a lot more of the like reusable foldable soft yeah i i was i brown paper bagged it pretty much every day well that's what happened in high school for me like you couldn't you couldn't roll up to high school with like a you know

a rainbow bright lunchbox yeah unless you were like super alternative really cool yeah uh but yeah so then it was then it was all brown bag i think i was brown bag by like fifth grade yeah uh but those early lunchboxes by which i i mean, I had a lot of really, really crushed oatmeal cream pies. The lunches that Griffin describes from his youth are- They're very sad. They're appalling. Well, my parents made the critical error in judgment of allowing me to pack my own lunch. And so it was usually like a Star Crunch, a Ziploc bag of Snyder's chips, and like a Sam's Club brand Mountain Dew.

Which I mean like, you know, Hills Lightning or something like that. Do you want to hear about lunchboxes? Yes. Okay. you want to hear about lunchboxes yes okay so uh the first kids lunchbox like as we know it today that had like the hip the hip show on it uh 1950s whoa was it like howdy doody or some shit uh that is one of them but the first so aladdin was kind of the industry leader in the in the lunchbox and their first children's lunchbox was Hop Along Cassidy. Oh, yeah. I have no idea who that is.

It's like a Western show. Okay. You know how like Westerns were a big thing for a while? Weirdly, it was like the only thing. Yeah, it kind of was the only thing. So the Hop Along Cassidy lunchbox sold more than 600,000 in the first year, which has got to be like the population of the United States back then, right? At this point, yeah, or the planet. I think it's funny because part of the appeal

of lunchboxes now is that you get one that like is distinctive. And the idea of like a classroom of 20 kids showing up and everybody is. Just eating each other's shit every day. It seems like a real nightmare. I had a Darmot and Gregreg lunchbox yeah really set me apart from the rest of what what is the shit i'm trying to remember at the very end during the credits of

waiting for guffman uh and corky's like going through all of his and he has like a my dinner with entree lunch yes yes like the little figurines that he could he like does a little role play with fuck that movie's good well most lunchboxes came with a thermos, which was a thing. Do you remember thermoses? Sure, of course. Did you ever have soup or something warm in them? Never. No, me neither.

Never, not once. Not once in my life. The idea of packing your kids some soup in a thermos kind of blows my mind a little bit. Yeah, it's wild. I don't think I really started eating soup until like college. We had, at some point we acquired like tiny little Tupperware cups you could seal up and I started to bring salsa in my lunchbox

so I could have chips and salsa with lunch. That was, and that was for me like really putting on the Ritz. I mean, I didn't put them on Ritz crackers. I had, you you know tortilla strips of some sort but yeah well that's a vegetable too sure it's several vegetables yeah uh god if only we could get henry to eat salsa that'd be something yeah well when i was henry's age what i would do is i would just take a chip and press it down into the salsa to get the good juice but have no solid

content on the on the chip whatsoever every kid everywhere is that true okay the idea of like a like chunks of vegetable on a chip was very disturbing right child now i can't get enough of this stuff uh so i mentioned the move from the metal to the the plastic uh which happened in the 80s and there's all this like lore around the departure from metal lunchboxes because people were concerned that children were using them as weapons sure yeah i mean they were using plastic lunchboxes as weapons too but they possessed less sort of ballistic force there's stuff on the internet about a statewide ban in florida uh where a group of moms lobbied together to say like no more metal lunchboxes uh and so the last metal lunchbox came

out in 1987 with the feature character rambo that is appropriate which like should kids be watching rambo probably not well i remember seeing i've never seen a single Rambo movie, but I did see like a chart that tracked the number of actual murders in each Rambo film. And the first one only has like one murder in it. And then the second one has like four. And then the third one has like 397

or some wild leap like that. I've never seen any of those films. Nor I. So I just- But only because they seem pretty bad. Yeah, it's not my thing, you know? Like any kind of movie that's like, this is a violent movie. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah.

So I wanted to talk a little bit about the valuable lunchboxes out there. Oh, okay. So if you get on the ebay there's tons there's tons and tons and tons uh the one right now that seems to be getting the highest rate uh is a superman lunchbox from 1954 oh yeah i mean that looks that does look pretty cool actually uh and if you remember like that was like right when they first started with the lunchboxes, $16,000. What's in it? What's in there? It's just super, I mean, they're super hard to find, right? Like that's the thing. Some rare fossilized moon pies in there. The next most valuable one, at least on the site I'm looking at, work and money.com you know my favorite yeah i'm always on

there is toppy toppy which is like a plaid elephant okay and uh that the origins of those elephants uh apparently it was a kroger item you could collect stamps and turn them in for this lunchbox wow at kroger and now you can pay six thousand dollars for this lunchbox. Wow. At Kroger. And now you can pay $6,000 for that lunchbox. There's some kid who was like, mom, can we please go back to Kroger today? I'm so close to my toppy elephant lunchbox. It's an investment, mother. You don't understand.

Someday I'll be the one laughing. When I'm sitting $6,000 pretty. With toppy. With toppy. With toppy. But most of the lunchboxes I saw, like Lone Ranger, Star Trek, there's a Beatles one. Oh, yeah, for sure. Which I'm sure my dad has. I'm sure your dad has some very valuable lunchboxes. Well, he doesn't collect them.

But I mean, if there is a Beatles one. They're in his possession. He probably has it. Most of them value like $1,000. True. still a lot for a lunch pretty money yeah um but you know not like you're not going to send somebody to college with your lunchbox collection well you could in 1956 or whatever yeah uh yes that's lunchboxes i really i don't know i think they're cool i do too i just like school supplies in general yeah and that's lunchboxes i really i don't know i think they're cool i do too i just like school supplies in general yeah and that's the thing like and i don't know if anyone else has this

experience but to get henry excited for school we we go find him a cool lunchbox yeah he's got a really sick marvel one that he's been rocking for a while now surprisingly it has not been destroyed by the ravages of preschool. It can steal you away? Yes. Got a couple Stromboli boys here, and I would love to read the first one, because it is for Boone Hart. And it's from the artist formerly known as Ang Hart. And they say,

Babiest brother Boone, you aren't even a little bit of baby anymore and have babies of your own, but you'll always be my little bro. Watching you be a wonderful father and husband to three slash four of the best gals I know is a constant joy. I love you and I'm so proud of the man you have become. And that's a very sweet message. You know, I never hear from my big boys about how much of a man I've become, even when I'm doing my lumberjack stuff and strutting around with my huge muscles out. Don't you think that's unfair?

When you say, you mean your older brothers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not my sons. Yeah. No, I mean, they should talk about your strut more. My strut, my strength, my dignity. No, I don't have that. You want to read this next one? Yeah. This is for Claire.

It is from Past Claire. Hi, Claire Bear. Boy, you have had a rough first year in Mexico, but you are tough, you are smart, and you and you deserve love hang in there you got this you're amazing treat yourself to something nice today xoxo past claire just like i said and agent cooper said in twin peaks the secret is you gotta give yourself a little gift every day and And that's why I buy myself so many... Candies. Candies.

Now, Roblox gift cards. So, Claire, if you're out there... Candy and Roblox, baby. That's all you need. Mm-hmm. Hello, I'm a scoffing dowager countess. Travis? I'm judging everybody's manners.

Oh, no. Schmaners isn't judgy. It's about teaching you to be your best self and be a little more confident when you enter social situations that you don't understand and maybe also teach you a little bit about history you didn't know or give you interesting things to talk about at parties. Yeah, like the secret life of Emily Post. Or like why

wristwatches are the way that they are. We can talk about table manners from the Victorian era. Sure, or what it's like to attend a Regency ball. Yeah. You can find all that and more if you listen to Schmanners on Maximum Fun or wherever your podcasts come from,

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But looking back down the beach, the man could see that in the hardest parts of his life, there was only one set of footprints. So the man said to God, Why is there only one set of footprints when times were hard? Where were you? And God replied, my precious child, I was in my car listening to the Beef and Dairy Network podcast. The Beef and Dairy Network podcast is a multi-award winning comedy podcast, and you can find it at MaximumFun.org or

wherever you get your podcasts. I want to talk about a little pink friend of you and me and his name is Kirby. Kirby the little guy. Oh, Kirby. Kirby. I would love to know more about Kirby. You're going to. Because Kirby is one of those characters, like it's not like a Sonic

or a Mario where it's like like a sonic or a mario where it's like a oh that's a thing that's based on something i know in the world kirby is just uh just a just a little blob a little pink ball there's a little pink ball i would say he ranks among the like b tier of nintendo mascots like he's not a mario or a a link or a Link or a donkey, one of your donkeys Kong. But man, I'll be damned if my appreciation for this little guy hasn't improved dramatically over the last year. Henry loves this game.

Loves this dude. The new game, Kirby and the Forgotten Land came out a few months ago and it's just all replay. He will replay levels over and over again. We have beaten the shit out of that game and he still wants to go back and just play it over and over. I also like the idea that he can eat stuff and spit it out.

Yep. That's a really unique idea for a character. Yeah, not a lot of characters out there are eating enemies and spitting them out. Kirby doesn't have a gun, typically. Well, he does if you have the gun power-up. Yeah, he does have it. In this one, he does.

But I like the idea that he inflicts his harm with chewed up. Bad guys. Yeah, it's kind of grotesque, actually, when you really explain it that much. So Kirby is the star of the Kirby series of games, which has been running since Kirby's Dream Land on the Game Boy in 1992, which is kind of weird already. Because when the Game Boy came out, it was like stuff got ported to it. Like you got Super Mario Land, which was like the sort of more lightweight

Game Boy-ified version of Super Mario Brothers. But Kirby was like born on the Game Boy and kind of went from there. And even back then, the character was basically the same as he is now, a little pink blobby guy who runs around and sucks enemies up and floats through the air when you jump because you can press the jump button a bunch to float. You couldn't even do the copy abilities in that original game.

It was just sucking enemies up and shooting them out. In later games, he got the ability to steal enemies' powers. Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know what you meant by copy. Yeah. It's like his other main thing that he does. He sucks up an enemy and gets their powers.

Okay. So the game and the character was designed by a guy named Masahiro Sakurai, who is still like a pretty big name in the industry. He went on to spearhead all of the Super Smash Brothers games. And so especially for like the most recent one that came out on Switch, he would do like a video presentation every couple months to like announce a new character. And everybody, like everybody adores this dude

because he is so enthusiastic about everything that he works on. They do a presentation every time a new character comes out. Oh, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. So like he'll do one. How long do those take?

It seems like it could be over and done in like three minutes. When you want to show off like and here's the special smash ability of banjo kazooie uh it can it can get pretty granular um the concept for the game kirby like predates the character itself because originally sakurai wanted to make a platformer for people who were like new to gaming and action games in general so when you think about like the Kirby games like they're pretty easy and that is by design uh there are a lot of facets of Kirby's like uh controls that are geared for more sort of amateur players so like the fact that he doesn't just jump once you can press the jump

button a bunch to float over enemies or gaps or in some of the kirby games like especially the older ones you can just fly through the whole level without like having to interact with anything in it at all yeah um and that makes it a much more sort of uh approachable thing for people who are not big big gamers yeah i mean henry experiences something that i experience which is if a game is too hard you get frustrated and you don't want to play it anymore yes uh and kirby kind of gives you a way in you know that is is like super appealing right so kirby the little ball was originally a placeholder for what was going to be a more fleshed out character right like when they were designing the game they made this little ball child this small spherical baby uh just as like a just as

like a sprite that they could use while they tuned up the rest of the game and then as the game got close to you know finishing development sakurai decided like let's just let's just go back to that ball because it really fits like the aesthetic that we're going for, the simplicity that we are going for, is reflected in Kirby, the ball child. And that character hasn't changed much throughout the 30 games that he has been in at this point. I like that they give him shoes just to ground you in what he can and can't do. He's not going to roll anywhere. Right. In his shoes. Actually, those aren't his shoes. you in like what he can and can't do like he's not gonna roll anywhere right so shoes he actually

those aren't his shoes they're just his feet that are a different color from the rest of his body you heard it here first folks um in what's really amazing is that though the character hasn't changed that much in north american like artwork and ads he is uh depicted with a more sort of intense look on his face because Sakurai said that North American audience like a more battle ready Kirby which is sad and telling I think um and yeah he's been in 30 games since since that first title in 1992 which is you know impressive that's a game a year essentially uh since then and of course the most recent one is kirby and the forgotten land on switch which has been just an absolute slam dunk in this in this household um i think it's really i think it's just as

difficult to make an easy game that is fun to play as it is to make like a well-balanced challenging game like yeah there are so many games that are designed for kids that are you know one one button beat-em-ups right that gets so old so fast yeah because their design is not just easy but like insulting in a way. Yeah, that is true. We got Henry a lot of like iPad games for when we travel and a lot of them specifically for kids and he has no interest in playing them anymore. No, because they do one thing and that one thing is designed to be very easy to accomplish so that you can just move on to the next one.

It's like you're a paw patrol and you have to move left and right on this road to avoid the potholes. And then at the end of the game, it's like you're a Paw Patrol and you have to move left and right on this road to avoid the potholes. And then at the end of the game, it's like, yay, you did it. Yeah. But this most recent Kirby game, like we were able to beat it. And along the way, like did a bunch of different stuff. That was all like fun and varied and enjoyable.

But at the end of the day not that difficult to to accomplish is this a new thing in games where after you beat the game they give you like little new challenges that keep you playing it i don't know how new it is but it is i would say for for a lot of games especially nintendo is really good about that like it's it is kind of par for the course yeah it kind of blew my mind a little bit well because, because one, I've never like beaten a game. So I had no idea like that there could be stuff after it. But I feel like that's very clever. Yeah.

So my very favorite thing about Kirby is the origins of the name. Do you know anything about this? Of course not. Okay, so in 1984, Nintendo had like found some success in North America with arcade machines, specifically Donkey Kong. And it started their expansion out of just being a Japanese game developer company. But they were sued by Universal City Studios, who claimed that Donkey Kong infringed on the King Kong IP. I think that's fair. Sure.

But this case really threatened Nintendo's fate as a company that could expand beyond just Japan because they had finally gotten a foothold in North America and here it was being threatened by this lawsuit. But ultimately, Universal had kind of screwed itself over in a previous case against RKO Pictures, who was the studio behind the original King Kong movie. Apparently, the creator of King Kong, whose name is Marion C. Cooper, did not do a particularly good job of securing the rights to this character after the original film came out in 1933. the rights to this character after the original film came out in 1933 and so like no one was really sure if the character belonged to cooper or rko pictures or universal or who because then

like you know um some japanese studios started to make like godzilla versus king kong and nobody was quite sure who was licensing that character to whom because it was 19 in the 1930s and they just were not going to keep it so it was a like determined at some point that king kong was just public domain the character was was in the public domain but then you get into like the weird winnie the pooh territory where it's like winnie the pooh the character is in the public domain but the story like this this specific depiction of winnie the pooh is not in the public domain like it starts to get in that weird territory.

So essentially Nintendo had to argue that Donkey Kong is like different from King Kong. That nobody in their right mind would get this character confused with the film version of King Kong. Because he throws barrels. He throws barrels. And he sometimes wears clothes. And he hates Mario so much. He throws barrels and he sometimes wears clothes and he hates Mario so much. And so in this this court case in 1984, the judge ultimately ruled in favor of Nintendo, saying that nobody would confuse King Kong and Donkey Kong and said that, you know, there was this precedent that there was no, you know, official claim to the IP of the character of King Kong that Universal Studios could claim. So it's a huge win for Nintendo that essentially like allowed them to, I mean, if they had lost that case, it would have been very hard for them to maintain this like,

this small step out of the ease that they had taken. So Kirby. According to Shigeru Miyamoto, who made Mario and a ton of characters for Nintendo, according to him, the character of Kirby earned his name from Nintendo's North American counsel on the case, whose name was John Kirby. Wild. Fucking wild. The lawyer for this very important case for Nintendo is named John Kirby. Wild. The lawyer for this very important case for Nintendo is named John Kirby.

And so when they had this character for this 1992 Game Boy game and they needed a name for him, named him after the lawyer in that case who won the case for them. And now Kirby is one of the more prolific names in video games. Is this guy like a round pink band? He is. And the thing is. Red feet? He's sucked up. He has big red feet he sucks up the prosecution in the case i would like to cross-examine the witness yeah hey objection did someone say something i don't think so oh wow i gained double lawyer powers

anyway that's kirby i love him i love kirby i just think i just think he's neat yeah i like i like any game that is like colorful and pleasing and there's no you know flesh wounds there's no flesh wounds in kirby i think that was one of the first games you and i played together was like uh yeah kirby's epic yarn or something like that on the wii or wii u We like really got into that game. And it was one of the first video games that we played together. I remember really enjoying that. Yeah, you were really good at kind of curating my experience

to make sure that the game that I was going to play would not turn me off of games forever. Yeah, for sure. That's it. Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for the use of our theme song, Money Won't Pay. You can find a link to that in the episode description. Thank you to Maximum Fun for having us on use of our theme song. Money won't pay. You can find a link to that in the episode description. Uh, thank you to maximum fun for having us on the network.

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We are going to be doing a few more shows this year. Yeah. If you want to come see us, go to, I mean, if you go to macroy.family, you can find a link to where we're doing all the shows. But going to be in Salt Lake City, Portland, San Diego, D.C., Detroit, and Cincinnati. Yeah. When we do the D.C. show, we will be residents of there and we can do a lot of local humor.

Oh, that'll be fun. Did you hear about this Joe Biden guy? Who's got a MetroCard. Biden guy. Who's got a MetroCard. We may see Ted Cruz. No. You don't think we'll ever just

bump into Ted Cruz and then immediately have to go change clothes because of the piss that would get on us? We've lived in Texas and haven't seen him. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a fair point. But I do think we will see another politician wow i couldn't even think of one other politician i was gonna say nancy pelosi

but i i don't even know how i would see her i'm trying to think of a politician who like would would roll up to the same the same spot yeah, yeah. That'd be fucking great. We'll be at like an arcade and AOC will be right next to us. Yeah, just pounding quarters into like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool.

Well, let's end the show so we can start writing this fan fiction. Bye. Hey! Hey! Hey!