Wonderful! - Wonderful! 276: One More Time, Dampen

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

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Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. This is wonderful. You've joined us at Wonderful, a podcast where we talk about things that are good, that we like, that we are into. This one's coming at you a little bit late. Blame Ganondorf. I blame Ganondorf for his treacherous magical acts. Griffin is an official zelda correspondent he is out on the zelda fields reporting every swing of the sword yeah and rachel's body by loving it just every

three minutes i lean over i'm like i made a bird out of a fan and some wood and she's like i don't know what that means i'm very happy for you. I'm glad. You have been very supportive. Yes. Here's a tip. If you have lost your lover to Zelda, every once in a while I just turn to Griffin

and I say, hey, be with me. And he will always do it. That's true. And that is all I need. And sometimes I'll look at you while I'm playing Zelda and I'll be like be be with me it's in hyrule and you'll be like it's not a two-player video game um yet yet but rachel's working on i got some stuff happening got some stuff in the hopper some tools she's been learning

c plus plus got some cardboard uh some brads been making a lot of sort of dioramas, life size. Yeah. We're all very excited to see how those turn out. Do you have any small wonders? Oh, do I? Do you? I don't know. Can I?

I've been doing a lot of research on high fiber foods for our youngest son. This can't possibly be it. There's no way that this is a thing that brings you joy. I got a papaya today. And I don't know anything about it. I don't know what to do with it. Kind of scared of it. I'll be honest.

Yeah, it's very big. Huge. But the woman that takes care of our son during the day so that we can work does know about papayas. And she said, I will help guide you on this journey. And I do appreciate that. And I handed her this giant thing and she said, it is not ready yet. And I said, thank you. I'm so glad to hear that.

Does it shrink as it ripens this fucking thing is the size of my head it's so it's it's roughly it's the size of a small watermelon i'm not 100 sure i've intentionally eaten papaya before are you sure you bought a papaya by some sort of like angry squash it looks like i think they're supposed to look um i mean we'll see when we open it up yeah i know what a squash looks like on the inside got into my head i couldn't tell you what a papaya tastes like i know i have eaten it yeah it seems like the kind of thing when we've like been to a resort they were like oh hey here's some papaya on your plate and we've probably eaten it and gone like thank thank you, that was good. I definitely got some at Tiki Tatsuya.

Oh, okay. Like a papaya salad thing they have. I've had it before. I just can't recall what it, I get it mixed up with mango in my flavor palace, which is like my mind palace where I store all the flavors of food I've eaten away in. You know, I have that, right? That's my small wonder is my flavor palace. You say of food I've eaten away in. You know, I have that, right?

That's my small wonder is my flavor palace. You say any food I've ever eaten. Here's the problem though, right? Like I personally like a bell pepper. In your flavor palace, you know that you don't. No, yeah, but it's still in there. It's just like in the basement. Yeah, but here's the thing.

Maybe you should go down to the basement. No. No. No, there's some flavors down there that I mustn't. It's like the Evil Dead down there. I have it chained. It's a hatch under a rug, chained shut. I keep bell peppers down there.

I keep malort down there. I save only the foulest stuff that I put in there. You know what would be a fun thing for us to do? Because our oldest son is very vegetable averse. And there's definitely some crossover. I mean, there are vegetables that he assumes he doesn't like, and I can't really argue with him. Yeah.

I think it would be fun for all of us as a family to get together and just try and stumble through. A vegetable tray? Just a tray of vegetables. You're saying it would be a fun afternoon if the four of us got a vegetable tray and sat down and said, no one is leaving this fucking room

until this tray of vegetables is empty. Henry has a real gift for describing things very precisely. I think it would be fun for all of us to be like, now what horrible thing does this taste like to you? Yeah. I think that would be fun for all of us to be like, now what horrible thing does this taste like to you? Yeah. I think that would establish some pretty healthy food relationships. We watched an episode of Queer Eye, which we have been enjoying, this new batch of episodes. And there was a woman who was very uncomfortable with green vegetables.

And I would say Anthony was very patient with her but griffin and i were watching it and we're like this is pretty representative of the majority of people i would say yeah i think so she kept eating things and saying this this tastes so green and it's like yeah actually yeah that's that's fair that's a very good accurate way of describing when food doesn't taste good sometimes. And I do agree with you. You do go first this week. I do go first this week. Go.

Let's do it. Let's rock. I've got a trip planned for us, and that is a trip to the Poetry Corner. I would love to go to the Poetry Corner this afternoon with you. Take my hand. I'll take your hand rather yeah i would like to lead because i feel like i know how to get there yeah i would have a one in four shot of taking us to the corner of the room where the poetry is stored but you would know the way so please um the poet poet poet. I almost said poem and then I pivoted. That was awesome.

Thank you. I couldn't tell. The poet is Ted Koozer. Awesome name. It's a very fun name. Yeah. That's perfect, actually. The name is perfect.

I've just decided. It's K-O-O-S-E--r which is arguably the best way to spell it yeah sure ted ted that's such a strong name uh okay i don't actually to my knowledge it is not that it is short for theodore or no it is never mind what is such a huge called shot you just made you're like oh man my boy ted koozer though he keeps it a hundred that's just his name guys i think i guess i thought there would be like an equal amount if his name was theodore i would see a lot of theodore and or ted and i saw exclusively ted but now i am on the wikipedia page and i can tell you confidently that it is in fact theodore

theodore koozer is tired ted ted koozer is wired for sure yeah he's made some good choices with his name uh this is a poet um who has been in the game for a long long time um i don't know that i've read as much of his poems as i've just like seen his name around you know as you do memorable if you won't you don't forget when you see this one pop up on website that's very true he started um publishing books of poetry uh in the late 60s early 70s um and he is still around today he is a uh professor emeritus at the university of nebraska um he is so i a lot of times i think about like you used to have to write this and i believe rachel our editor does now which is like how you classify how you summarize the subject yeah so

i'm gonna say he is my favorite great plainsains poet. How do you pick, though? What a tough choice. He is very Nebraska. I don't know a lot of... Have you met anyone from Nebraska? No, I saw the movie. Wasn't there a movie called Nebraska that came out? And it was like the guy had a lottery ticket.

Oh, does that have Will Forte? Will Forte was in it. Yeah. Did we watch that? I think we did. I feel like I've met one person from Nebraska. I was going to ask you, this is a fun little pop quiz, not at all designed to make you feel inadequate,

but could you tell me where Nebraska is on the map? Where Nebraska is. Yes. I feel like it's always more south than i expect um okay i'm gonna it's definitely on the left middle middle left uh-huh um i want to say it's close to kansas yes and Yes. And Iowa. No. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. So I kind of crushed it, actually. Yeah. No, you did really good. Split the uprights. It is above Kansas to the left of Iowa. It actually shares a very small border with Missouri. Above it is South Dakota, Wyoming to the left, southwest Colorado. I have met somebody from Nebraskabraska i've met somebody

from every state with the mtv 2008 oh there you go jane was her name wow she's like deep in the political scene i still follow her on facebook that's wild yeah she's still in nebraska she's still in nebraska she's still repping so thatpping. So that is the thing about Ted, is he has spent the majority of his kind of life in Nebraska. Before that, he graduated from Iowa State University. Huge basketball rivals with the Nebraska State University, which is a college, I bet. This is what makes Ted so relatable. You know, you think your poets, you know, and they're like...

Ivory towers. They're like fancy with their fancy cigarettes. Escargot and their fancy cigarettes. And their expensive whiskeys. Yeah. He enrolled in a graduate writing program at the University of Nebraska and then flunked out a year later. Hell yeah. And took a entry-level job with an insurance company in Nebraska.

And he stayed there for 35 years. Jesus Christ. Not that specific insurance company. He worked for two different insurance companies in that time period, but he ended up becoming vice president. And what he would do is he would write in the morning. He would wake up at 5.30 in the morning and from 5.30 to 7, he would write. And apparently in the like 35 years that he worked there, he published seven books of poetry. Wow. I think the description of this segment could also say Rachel's favorite insurance agent.

You say that? Wallace Stevens was also in insurance. There were actually a lot of people who were in insurance. I should watch my mouth. This may surprise you, but it is difficult to make a living as a poet. So it is difficult to make a living as a poet so it is not uncommon i mean i would say in the in the world of the mfa maybe you'll see some more poets that just do poetry for their lives but back in the day insurance how do you yeah insurance pays the bills well an insurance

of all the industries is perhaps the most rich you know know, with metaphor and beauty. And beauty. Kindness. Generosity of the human spirit. I mean. So I didn't just say, like, he is so Nebraska because he went to graduate school there and worked in his insurance company there he writes about

nebraska otherwise what you said could come off as like the weirdest specific insult uh yeah no so he i mean he is he is considered a great plains poet um a lot of people will reference his kind of his his sense of like the landscape in the american midwest and and just kind of his his sense of like the landscape in the American Midwest and and just kind of speaking to that very like regional part of the country um so I wanted to give you an example uh this poem is called the early bird uh it was published in poetry magazine 2003 It was published in Poetry Magazine 2003. The Early Bird. Still dark and raining hard on a cold May morning,

and yet the early bird is out there chirping, chirping its sweet, sour, wooden pulley notes, pleased it would seem to be given work, hauling the heavy bucket of dawn up from the darkness, note over note, and letting us drink. That's good. That's a short one. Got in, got out.

That's what it needed to do. I like that. He does a lot of those, those short ones. The thing I like, there's a real opportunity when you grow up in that area of the country to kind of, and this is probably something that'll speak to you too like to not have that kind of pride in what some people would consider like the simplicity of that experience right you know like it's not a particularly urban area it's not known for like mountains or you know rivers or anything like particular i mean nebraska like as i mentioned i

have not met a lot of people in nebraska there's a real opportunity for him to move on from that but he loves and celebrates that place and still lives there today and it's very evident in his work uh and i think it's really inspiring to people who are pursuing poetry to like recognize like you're okay right where you are you know there's a lot to say about exactly where you're located. We have tried to engender that for West Virginia as much as possible. I will say West Virginia is incredibly beautiful. Sure. I'm sure Nebraska. You're talking a lot of yay about Nebraska in this segment.

I can see it on your face where every time you say something, you're like, oh no i'm not i'm not i mean i'm from missouri you know i don't have a lot to stand on like i'm from another state that people probably don't know a lot about yeah um i wanted to read one more poem since that one was so short uh and the poem appropriately is called so this is nebraska cool the gravel road rides with a slow gallop over the fields. The telephone line streaming behind, its billow of dust full of the sparks of red-winged blackbirds. On either side, those dear old ladies, the loosening barns, their little windows dulled by cataracts of hay and cobwebs, hide broken tractors under their skirts. and cobwebs hide broken tractors under their skirts. So this is Nebraska, a Sunday afternoon, July,

driving along with your hand out squeezing the air, a meadowlark waiting on every post. Behind a shelter belt of cedars, top deep in hollyhocks, pollen, and bees, a pickup kicks its fenders off and settles back to read the clouds. You feel like that. You feel like letting your tires go flat, like letting the mice build a nest in your muffler, like being no more than a truck in the weeds, clucking with chickens or sticky with honey or holding a skinny old man in your lap while he watches the road waiting for someone to wave to. You feel like waving. You feel

like stopping the car and dancing around on the road you wave instead and leave your hand out gliding lark light over the weave over the houses that's great isn't that great that was really good it speaks to like a very relatable experience like for anybody that has driven like through like that region of the country you know of just like this kind of like endless but like still picturesque like experience of being in that like plains midwestern region i took a writing class in college that was like appalachian sort of writing and we we were given prompts to try and create things like what you've just read which baked within me a deep appreciation for people who can actually do the shit yeah uh and have it not be complete garbage uh that that was that was

really good so i i just two more things about ted kuser one he has written a book that i have not read but i'm excited about called the poetry home repair manual i love that came out in 2007 um and it's it's all just kind of tools and insights and instructions on you know how to hone your craft if you are interested in poetry and the other thing i will say and it just was sunset in 2022 but he edited for 15 years a weekly newspaper column called american life in poetry which they made available to newspapers around the country to publish for free. Oh, that's cool.

So it was just kind of what they would do is he or his team would pick a poem and he'd write like a little intro. And then the idea was that any newspaper that wanted it could publish it. That's really neat. I didn't know you could do that. Yeah, it was a partnership with Poetry Foundation. you could do that. Yeah, it was a partnership with Poetry Foundation.

He was a Poet Laureate in 2004 and it kind of came out of that because as you know, Poet Laureates are given the keys to the country. So maybe, yeah, they're the ones pulling the strings. How do you want to spread poetry?

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Is your wonderful thing this week, Nebraska? It is, unfortunately, yeah. And now it's uncomfortable because you've just talked so much shit about the big, beautiful state of Nebraska. I don't know anything about Nebraska either. I don't either. I know more about Nebraska now after hearing that poem

than I did before no I'm going to talk about Deerhoof which you probably do they probably do have deer in Nebraska and they probably do have hooves it's a good segue yeah that's it felt very natural

Deerhoof though is an American indie rock band that has been around since 1994 which was almost 30 years ago they're still making music which is a pretty fucking good run like uh some 41 just hung it up and I don't think they started in 1994 you know what I mean yeah that was the gold standard to me before that um I want to focus on my favorite album of theirs, which was 2005's The Runners 4, which I believe we talked a bit before we started recording, came out. I think it was the next album after where you kind of had been introduced. Yeah.

So I knew Milkman came out in 2004. I remember being super excited about it. I may or may not actually have that CD somewhere in this house, but I was super into them, and then they totally disappeared from my radar. They were very prolific in the mid-aughts, but they are still putting out jams. I think they have an album that's coming out this year.

So to kind of paint a picture, up until college my musical tastes were very much uh informed by my older brothers but it really was just like three bands it was like they might be giants it was like benfolds five um maybe some dave matthews band mixed in there occasionally but it wasn't like those are great you, great bands and foundational music for me for sure. But that was it. And I hadn't listened to, I hadn't really experienced like cool music or music that I thought was like

cool until I was in college and my cool college friends, uh, maybe some, some mix CDs. And one of them was The Runners 4. And instantly, the first time I listened to it, I was convinced that I had stumbled upon this artifact of just cool, weird, alien music that I'd never heard before. So if you've never heard Deerhoof, here's a track off the Runners 4 probably my favorite track on the album called You're Our Two Can't stop falling, I see water. Can I really leave?

Apparitions, and reminders. What will never come back? Deerhoof formed in 1994, like I said. It was an experimental improvisational noise punk band, which doesn't sound good to me. As far as I can tell tell that means that they did like fucked up stuff to their guitars on stage in a live environment um and uh they they they kind of just did that for a very long time they didn't really their star didn't rise until almost a

decade after they formed they released an album in 2003 called Apple O, which was really where they found their niche, playing just this like blown out, super funky, kind of poppy indie rock with these bizarre, gentle kind of lilting vocals from their singer Satomi Matsuzaki. And that album was huge. It was very anti-war. It had this huge anti-war message, which in 2003 was very noteworthy at the time. So Rolling Stone and Pitchfork elevated it and called it one of the best albums of the year, one of the best albums of the aughts. you know, one of the best albums of the year, one of the best albums of the aughts. And I would say throughout the 2000s,

they just kind of continued to be heaped upon with praise as an indie darling. But in 2005, they recorded The Runners 4 in a San Francisco studio. And just for shits and giggles, they took turns being vocalists on the album. There's 20 tracks on this thing. And they're not all great because some of them does not, the best singer is on it.

They didn't do this again. This was the only album where they're like, wouldn't it be fun if we all just all sang? And then by the next one, they're like, let's actually change up the members of the band and let's just have like one or two singers from now on. But the songs on this album Matsuzaki to think like, this is an album that gets me pumped up out of my fucking mind just because of how hard that they go

with the guitars and the bass and the blown out drums and stuff. Yeah, it's funny because the word that keeps coming to mind for me is interesting and that always sounds like the thing. Dismissive. It sounds like the thing you say when you don't really like something but that's not actually true it's like the kind of

song that you could listen to over and over again and you would always pull something out of it that was new you know it's very complex i guess maybe it's a better word yeah and and i mean experimental in the truest form like i had not i don't know that i had ever heard a studio album before I listened to the runners for that was like kind of sloppy, kind of like the, the tempo just kind of bounces, just kind of wonders back and forth between several different points. And the,

the instruments are rarely like super in sync and there's like no effects applied to the vocals like hardly at all throughout the whole thing and it's it was so uh it was i i think it took me a while to really get into their music because a lot of it is like i think more experimental than i usually have patience for but there's something just undeniably cool about somebody who can a band that can have that kind of sloppy experimental vibe yeah and make it make it work yeah no i i had a really close friend in college who was very into Sonic Youth. Yeah, same exact thing.

Yeah, and it was the kind of band that I never probably would have chose for myself. But like having her be into it was like really helpful for me to be like, oh, yeah, you know what? I get it. I like this song. Maybe I don't like that song, but this one's really cool and not anything I would have heard otherwise. It's funny you mentioned Sonic Youth because I lumped them very much into the same category of bands I discovered. I started college in 2005 and it was a very transformative time for anyone,

but we were going through some stuff that was a big, big shakeup. And also at the same time, I was having just this fucking Cambrian explosion of musical influence where just my whole world opened up. And Islands and Broken Social Scene and Stars and a lot of these bands that were like releasing albums in the mid aughts that were just really good indie rock music for the most part and were also like playing every music festival. And so when I go to when I went to the Pitchfork Music Festival and saw like, oh, God, what's the what's the band that did Crown on the Ground? Oh. Real, Real.

I can remember all their song names, but can't remember the name of them. Anyway, them two, right? Yeah. All of these bands that were in a really important sort of time in my life that were kind of, are you Googling who did them? Yes, because it's going to make me crazy if I don't. I can see it. I can see the album cover name of it yeah i can see the artist sleigh bells sleigh bells god thank you um that was brutal i it was a wild time in my life and it was a wild time for this genre of music

and they really aligned in a spectacular fashion and so whenever i listen to dear host music like it just takes me right it takes me right back can i ask i just remember you worked at the college radio station i did yeah i was always worked as a very generous verb i never really understood it seemed like a lot of people that were in charge of college radio somehow knew these bands that I had never come across or heard of. And this was in a time period where people were like didn't carry the Internet around in their pocket. Sure. You know, and it took like real effort to learn of these like new cool bands. Did you were you given some kind of edge were they like hey

griffin next week you should know that there's this band and they're super cool um okay a few answers to this question one i would say that people who volunteer their time to work at um college radio stations are usually a bit more plugged into you know the the music industry scene of whatever genre that their show represents a bit more than than than the average bear but also like uh college radio stations and again probably doesn't work like this anymore it'd be fucking wild in fact if it did uh but we would get sent like albums we would get sent cds by yeah that would make sense you know promoters or by the label itself yeah and and so yeah you kind of at uh wmul was that what it was?

Oh my God, I can't believe I just forgot the name of the college radio station I used to work at. There would just be like filing cabinets filled with CDs and each one would have like a label on it that was like, this is a indie pop thing. I don't know who that was for because I never ever, I just burned my own CDs from home, which we weren't really supposed to do. Yeah. Because it had to be cleared for bad words. Yeah. Which we may have let a couple of them. But our show is also at like one in the morning.

So nobody really cared. Anyway, I want to lead it off or I guess leave with one last track from the Runners Four. And it has a guitar riff that has been stuck in my mind going on 18 years now. It's so fucking funky. It's called Spirit Ditties of No Time. that's it for the show this week very artsyy. Hey, before you start thanking people and things, can you share a listener submission? I would love to share a listener submission. I got a couple of them right here. And the first one of the listener submissions that I have starred in the inbox and will begin reading right now is from Emmett, who says,

My small wonder this week is taking a shower when you're actually dirty. Whether it's from adventuring, gardening, painting, or DIY, there's something so satisfying about taking a shower when there's something visible to wash off. Wow. Love that. I don't know if I can remember the last time.

That you got like mud? Yeah. I spent a lot of my life now avoiding that. There will be a lot of opportunities with our children to get dirty. And I will look at Griffin and be like, will you? Will you? Yeah, I don't mind. I used to give a shit.

I don't. I think, I don't know what changed. The other day I was playing with Gus and we were just laying down in the grass. And I was like, this is not something that I would. Of course, we, you know, used to live in the woods. And so laying down in the grass, which give us any number of. Wasn't really grass to speak of. No, I mean, I'm talking about like dirt.

Like when you see dirt on the floor of the shower. Yeah. I can't. It's been a long time. Yeah. my wonderful thing this week says kaylee my wonderful thing this week is airport architecture any airport you go to there will always be something absolutely wild from a wall covered in paper cranes to a ceiling of neon lights or maybe a ginormous devil horse statue i think it's pretty sick yeah i am really into since we moved to dc i really like the reagan airport reagan airport kicks ass it's got some pretty wild they've made some pretty wild choices

with that one yeah like you you go through security and then you like walk into this like huge like rounded like old timey looking airplane hangar situation and it is and the floor is covered with panels of light across like a bridge at some point does that make any sense whatsoever um does dca is that also the one that has the underground uh like long ass escalator with a running billboard like video advertisement that goes across i think that might be dullest that might be dullest actually yeah because that's where i flew out of last it's fucking not great because it's a long long long underground tunnel that like goes under the whole like runway and while you're there there's one car insurance company that's like

blaring music and then there's just like a video that is playing on this long screen that runs the length of the thing it's probably not a great ad if I can't remember the name of the company or the thing, even though I was subject to it for like three and a half minutes. Anyway, that's it for real. Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for the use of our theme song. Money won't pay. You can find a link to that in the episode description. Thank you

to Maximum Fun for having us on the network. Go to MaximumFun.org. Check out all the shows there. We are going to be in Columbus and Milwaukee doing Mbim Bam and Taz this weekend friday saturday sunday i think columbus friday saturday and milwaukee on sunday there will also be uh sawbones and spanners opening yes so we're gonna have a good ass time and you should come and see us because uh i bet you'll have a good time too uh go to macroy.family. You can find links to all that stuff. And I think that's it.

Yeah, I saw somebody talking about how they liked listening to this podcast when they clean. Yeah. So I thought maybe we could close out the show with some kind of like inspirational like cleaning. Yeah. like inspirational like cleaning yeah so i thought maybe you could start um with all of you know you're kind of a neat freak yeah yeah sure sure don't give up scrub it down don't give up scrub it down is good that i do don't give up yes don't give up scrub it down. I was going to say, keep... You introduced this bit. Well, you really crushed it in a way that I wasn't anticipating.

I was just going to say stuff like, one more time, dampen. One more time dampen is better than mine. You think so? In every measurement is better. One more time, dampen. Money won't pay. Workin' on it. Money won't pay.

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