Wonderful! - Wonderful! 300: Exponentially Increased Clenching

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

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🎵 Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is wonderful. Madness? No. This is wonderful. And that's a 300 joke. See, I knew you were going to do that.

Oh. But I don't know anything about that film. How predictable. You didn't see it? No. Oh, man. Badass stuff. It's like a gladiator kind of thing, right?

Yeah, but big, burly Spartan dudes just fucking other dudes up for two hours. Uh-huh. Gerard Butler shirtless. Yeah. A bunch of oily bros just kicking other dudes. I feel like when you hear the name Gerard Butler. Yeah. You think quality.

Well, it's a very specific time period. If a film has the Gerard Butler seal of approval, you know you're it's a very specific time period like a film has the gerard butler seal of approval yeah you know you're in for a good time but we're not here to talk about films in fact we can't actually and so yeah but we are going to talk to you about things we like that's good that we're into thank you so much for sticking with us for 300 whole ass episodes yeah that's so much yeah we love doing this show and appreciate everybody. I feel like every time we're out and about

we see people who are like love it. Love your stuff. warms my heart so much. Yeah. Right down to the cockles. You got any small wonders though?

Oh I can say Yes. that we got to be guests last night on a live Judge John Hodgman here in Washington D.Cc on the van freaks

road show tour yeah and it was so great it was such a hoot i love those guys uh to the moon and back uh if you live in i think portland maine boston or brooklyn you can still catch one of those shows uh i mean if you're in portland you need to act fucking fast because i think it's tonight the episode that this comes out um but you should go see that show because it's really really fun yeah i don't have the link to tell you but if you go search for john hodgman fan freaks road show you'll probably be able to get get there yeah um i'm gonna say we went out to a nice uh izakaya restaurant last night with John and Jesse before the show. And it was real good.

I love that sort of vibe. Yeah. Izakaya restaurant where it was just like whole fish cooked over fire and rubbed with salt. And then you just go at it. That's great for me. And it's very small, like intimate setting. Yeah.

We've been to a lot of restaurants at DC that are like big and fancy. Not this one. And this one felt very like comfortable. Five tables in the whole thing. Yeah. Sapporo on draft and just salty fish. Yeah. That's the dream for me.

So I'm going to say all that. And also, I was going to prep a topic on pumpkin carving because I really enjoyed pumpkin carving this year. I already did it. I already done did one on Jack O'Lanterns, which is a shame. I did a Snorlax one at Henry's behest, and it turned out so good. I was so proud of myself. I know. It was one of those moments that you have a lot as a parent where it was very clear that Griffin did an incredible job, and he did exactly what Henry asked him to do.

And Henry was like, looks good. No, Henry was very sweet. Henry was very complimentary. He continued to say stuff. Once we like put a candle in it, trick or treat night, he was like, he was like really impressed. So it was a, it was an excellent moment for me as a father. Okay.

So yeah, I go first this week and I actually, my topic today is connected to the fact that we were on Judge John Hodgman live on stage last night at the Lincoln Theater here in D.C. I want to talk about the physiological response to performing live. Whoa. Okay. It is something that I have been that I've witnessed and been subject to my whole life. It is sort of also in the realm of like theater superstition. And so like ever since I was doing like plays in children's theater, I have been sort of feeling the effects and hearing about sort of like stage fright and stage adrenaline and all that jazz. Yeah, this has been really interesting, I think, for Griffin and me is that I have no real performing experience. Yeah. But it's obviously something I've had to start doing. Yeah. Like since we have started doing shows.

And so I talk to Griffin as if I am traveling in a new land. Yeah, it's fun. Like it's fun out there, huh? Yeah, it is a new land. Yeah, it's fun. Like, it's fun out there, huh? Yeah, it is a singular feeling, the feeling of going on stage in front of a bunch of people and doing anything, right? And I have been fortunate enough because of the shows that we do to have done, like, I don't know, well over 100, like, live performances at this point. I don't know the over a hundred like live performances at this point i don't know the exact number i feel like we figured it out one time a few years ago and it was dramatically

higher than i would have anticipated um and i really like guesting on live shows like we did last night because i feel like you get all of that like feeling with only half the responsibility is that because you could just tank out there and like it's not your show so whatever um so i i if i could pull back the curtain a bit which feels appropriate i feel like i have a bit of a complicated relationship with like live performance in with regards to like how it makes me feel and the things that it does the the wild effect it has on my actual physical body. Because I think anybody in my family will attest to the fact that like I get really, reallyching as days pass leading up to when we go on tour and do live shows. Part of that is like travel, right?

Part of that is like when you're traveling and not doing your usual routines, like it throws you off your game a little bit. It is really hard to sort of stay in the drift when you are not in your home. bit it is really hard to sort of stay in the in the drift when you are not in your home um and then you sort of add on top of that this the the stage fright and adrenaline element to it like it is it is not ideal i think uh in how how nervous i get and how tense i get wild i've never seen that from you i feel like i have never even before our first live show which was that austin was that when we went out for the acl show in austin was that our first one oh um i think it might have been maybe uh maybe it was you were like cool as a cute you were so fucking chill and i couldn't wrap my mind around here's the thing it's funny what you just said about guesting on a podcast,

how you don't feel a tremendous amount of responsibility when you go out on stage. I feel similarly. And this may be my own imposter syndrome, but I think of it as like, this is Griffin's arena. Oh, man. And I can show up and chip in when i when the mood hits me but um i don't know i don't feel i don't feel like i have to carry anything i think you are fooling

yourself in that supposition but i also am jealous of the fact that it doesn't, it does not get to me. I would think you're going out with your brothers and sometimes dad. Yeah. Who you have performed with your entire life. Yeah. And have demonstrated over and over again to be very competent live performers. Right. I would think you would feel similarly to me.

It's not, but it's, it is beyond logical. It is beyond evidence-based. This fear is not one that is based in logic. I have never gotten particularly nervous public speaking, which is a strange thing. I can't really explain it. You used to do that quite a bit, right? When you were in the spoken word, louder than a bomb sort of scene well i mean i wasn't doing spoken word poetry but um in all of my jobs i have had to give presentations yeah um definitely not on the scale of a live performance like we have done but but it never made me that nervous um which is strange because i'm a pretty nervous person generally it is again astonishing that you do not have this issue i i it for me it

gets worse and worse and where i get more and more nervous until i am like barely like functional as a human being uh until like maybe 15 or 20 minutes before we actually go on stage is when the tide finally starts to turn and then every time that we walk on stage, all of that like stress that has been accumulating in my body for like the better part of a week just like immediately like alchemically just becomes like adrenaline. And then it is enough to sort of like a sort of emotional trebuchet just like launch me across the stage for the duration of the live performance right until I get off. And then on the tail end is also rarely great in that like that sort of adrenaline peak that I have that sort of gets me through the show.

Yeah, that's true. Then also stays up there for a long time. So I have a really hard time falling asleep after a show. Last night I had so much like fatty sardine meat in my body from the dinner we'd eaten beforehand that I did not have that issue. But usually I am up until like 1 or 2 a.m. after a live show, which is super duper unfortunate. Yeah, see, I understand that. I understand that. Like the momentum that you get during a performance, like you can't just shut it off when it's over.

So like I understand that aspect of it. I think it's just surprising to me for as long as you've been doing this that this is like – I mean do you think it's gotten better I guess is my question? Yeah, I think that has happened in my mind between the like emotional, uh, way that I think about how I, how I feel before live shows and like the actual physiological like effect, right. The actual, and this has been like really helpful for me in so many avenues in my life where, um, you know, my body feels incredibly stressed out and tense, but it is, you know, my body feels incredibly stressed out and tense, but it is because of the experience that I have with that. Like I am partially more used to it. And also I feel like I can count on the fact that the show is going to go well, right? Like we've prepared for the show most of the time.

And I know that my brothers and dad and you are going to like have my back out there and so like that is how i am able to rationalize the feeling that i feel and it makes it way better because i used to just be straight up terrified all the time yeah when i knew that there was a tour coming up now it's not like fear as much as it is stress what about when you were like a kid and you were performing on stage yeah i mean i had terrible stage fright as as a kid but it always like um it always sort of resolved the same way which is you know you would go on stage and you would do the show and that would be that would be that see that is harder for me anything that involves memorization is crippling for me. Like, I cannot, I cannot go out in front of people and have to recall something that word for word, I should know, like that, that is difficult. I have always had a lot of

anxiety around, like, you have this that you're supposed to say at this time in this way, and you get out in front of these people, and you do it exactly as you're supposed to and i get that is terrifying to me well i think i i mean i understand that i also think that the like rehearsal process is much more effective than i think most people would give it credit for like if you do the same thing even a small number of times it is easier to kind of that's true and i don't have a lot of experience right um but but i mean it was very much the same way where i would sort of be scared and then literally the curtain would open and it was it it would be scary still but then all of a sudden it's like an exercise and like trying to channel that energy into drama and acting and sound song and dance, which is different from what we do now. There's also a phenomenon that I was very familiar with when I was doing children's

theater that is like, it is a weirdly, I think, commonly known thing for people who do a lot of performing, whether, you know, at whatever level. But I couldn't find like a common name for it but our dad always called it show health which is like if you're feeling sick or crummy before a show when you hit the stage the like effect of this like transformation of of uh fear into adrenaline makes it possible to just completely push the, you know, physical symptoms that you are feeling out of your mind, which is like, not theater exclusive. That's just how like, adrenaline and a lot of sort of hormones in your body work, right? This is how you're able to lift a car

off your baby or whatever, is because of this, obviously this is a way lower stakes situation. But there have definitely been a couple of shows that we have done where I have not been, you know, at my physical peak that, you know, I wouldn't have known that while I am on stage. Yeah. And I think it is easy to, when you hear about stuff like this, especially if you don't like perform live

or do anything like that, to see it as some sort of like folklore or superstition of like use it use it timothy use this energy um because they are definitely i think like theater folks maybe not at the higher echelons of the of the craft but when we were growing up there were theater folks who talked about show health and you know that the adrenaline as if it were some sort of magical spirit moving through you uh to to empower you to do this crazy thespis himself touching you with his mighty finger people still talk about that a lot i feel like actors particularly those that have just done like television film prior yeah talk about the experience of doing like a live performance on a stage and how invigorating it is in like a completely unique, powerful way. But now that I've done it like so many times, so many more times than I ever would have guessed I would have when I graduated from my children's theater company, I probably thought then like, well, that's it for me and the stage.

Did you really think that? Yeah, I thought so. I wasn't planning on pursuing acting or theater or anything beyond that. And I really didn't. Now that I've done it like so many times, like I recognize it not as a magical thing, not as a spiritual thing or some sort of element of the craft like it is it is body chemistry and it is hormones and it is fight or flight response and it is how your body responds anytime it is afraid basically of of a situation whether it is a rattlesnake in the woods or a bunch of clapping

people. It is sort of the same thing. Your body does similar stuff. It's how you use it is different, but it is not some magical effect. It's just like, that's what your body does. That's what it's good at. I think what's interesting though about performing, I was talking to Griffin a little bit about this. I don't get nervous, but I feel like I have to kind of warm up when I am in front of people. Like I can't just minute one come with 100% energy. I feel like I'm kind of like getting my footing. Yeah. And so that's what I think kind of surprising is that you have all this adrenaline, this nervousness.

And then for some reason it goes away at a certain point and then it's just transformed into like power and i don't know that's what i'm sort of arguing against it's not i don't think it is a conversion to like why don't you just keep being nervous like what what changes um i think that there is an understanding that allowing that nervousness to cause me to freeze up is wrong, is like not the correct response, right? And so it is partially, I guess, sort of like guiding the hormones that are coursing through your veins at that moment. There is a sort of willfulness to it because there is also like a type of stage fright that doesn't go that way right like it is a type of stage fright that and and again like it is an abstract concept for the most part um but there is you know you get terrified before you go on stage you go on stage and oops you're still terrified you can't do what the fuck you're supposed to do out there but i think that it is sort of part of

theater and performance that most of the time like you are able to kind of get over that hump yeah and that that feeling is bordering on the supernatural which is why like you treat it with the level of because i have no other element of my life that is even remote this this physical change that happens in my body when i go on stage is not like anything else that i have in my in my life i don't have moments where i feel like oh fuck yeah i'm on baby thanks thanks adrenaline you know what i compare it to so the things that i do get really nervous for are when you're going to be out of town and i'm going to be alone with the children yeah uh and that kind of builds and builds. And then very rarely does it go completely smoothly.

But I'm busy. Yeah. As it is happening in that moment, I am too busy. Like I have to use all of my facilities to like manage the situation. And maybe that's what's similar to what's happening on stage is that you are building up all this potential energy. And then you have i mean you have to stay engaged and focused and it it it harnesses that and like lasers it into like what

you need to accomplish and that that's what the that's where this the like trust comes in like it is yeah it is a an agreement you make with this this change in your body of like okay i can use this to get through the next hour uh here on stage um i have done the thing that i didn't want to do with this segment which is like talk about it in some sort of like reverent tone i i just find it really really uh scientifically fascinating yeah i feel so fundamentally different from 30 minutes before we go on stage to 15 minutes before we go on stage to when I'm on stage

to after I'm on stage. It's four different Griffins with four different brains. And I don't say this dismissively because I genuinely do not like the way that I feel when I am like completely coiled like a fucking snake for a week for the show. And I don't like not being able to sleep. So I'm not it's this is not me saying like it's always worth it. But I do love performing.

I do love doing these shows in front of people and that sort of connective experience. I do love doing these shows in front of people and that sort of connective experience. Yeah. It is nice to have this thing that I feel like at this point I can count on every time to be there. Not saying that I get out there and I'm fucking crushing it every single night, but I at least am able to, you know, do it and feel good about it. And that feels awesome. Yeah. And so that is my topic this week yeah no it's fun as like your partner and somebody that's that sees all the different

griffins uh it is fun to see that griffin for me and i always really enjoy watching you and and your brothers like now that i am as connected to your family as i am like i have a real appreciation for like the differences in who you all are on stage when you're performing and then who you are like three minutes before when you're backstage. What's great is there are a handful of venues at this point, not a handful, maybe, you know, close to 10 that we have done multiple times. And so like when we show up, I will see a hallway and be like oh yeah i've paced this hallway a lot of time my old pacing hallway well in the bathrooms too i'm very familiar with some of the bathrooms and i could y'all one day i'm gonna write a book and the book's just gonna be shit talking some of the worst backstage bathrooms and some of the best backstage but i'll go both ways. But, oh boy. Some of them wonder theaters built in the 1920s have some wonder toilets also built in the 1920s.

It's such a contrast, right? Because usually the performance space is gorgeous. It's amazing. Like immaculate, like upheld in a very authentic, like painstaking way. And then backstage. The reliefs in front have aged very well. The relief backstage has not aged very well since 1920. No. Um, anyway, thank you all so much for letting us do this thing for, for, for you. And I genuinely am very, very grateful. Um,

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Troubled Waters is the answer. To this question and all of my life's problems. Now, legally, we actually can't guarantee that. But you can find it on MaximumFun.org or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. My thing this week. Yeah. And it feels like it's been a long time, is a trip to the poetry corner.

I don't get down. I hear the poach call into silent and scrambled words. That's good. You can stop. Good. Thank you. Thank you for that. I always pause because I expect you to do something, but I imagine that's not a joyous experience.

It's the adrenaline, baby. It's the adrenaline. It gets me fucking over the hump of doing that for you. for you uh this is a poet that i just recently became familiar with um but actually has a lot of connections to texas which i didn't realize uh her name is carrie fountain cool name she's from new mexico originally uh but she got her mfa at the mitchner center at ut austin and in 2019 was the poet laureate of of Texas. Hey, all right. Yeah. Didn't, didn't, was there for years.

Didn't know, didn't get the email. If you can believe it, I lived in a place and didn't know about the poetry in that place. Yeah. And I imagine that's probably true for everybody all over.

Well, we knew about the poetry of the wind through the pines, the cicadas and the longhorns in the field grazing their grasses i think you've gotten better i think that we have been doing poetry corner long enough that your improv skills related to poetry does i say some really dope poetic shit it seems better to me for sure uh okay so carrie fountain uh has actually she's also written uh fiction and a children's book but um but what i'm talking about is her her poetry um and i wanted to read

maybe two i've been a good boy. I want a bonus poem. So she writes, this is something that I'm kind of fascinated with, and I'm always hesitant to explore, but it's this, this poetry about being a mother. Okay. And it's something that we talked about a little bit when I brought Kate Bear in a previous week, how it's this incredibly rich, personal, intimate experience, but it always feels strange to try and smash it into a poem. Yeah. And so I think that she has done this really well several times. And so I wanted to read maybe two poems. These were both published in the Adroit Journal. It was issue 37 for those of you that are planning to seek this out. Okay. So the first poem I'm going to read is called The Answer. When my son cried out in the

night, I woke ready and scrambled to his room without even putting on my glasses. Pulled through the dark living room and down the dark hall by this instinct I'm still sometimes surprised to possess. By the time I got to him, he'd fallen back to sleep, of course, and so there I was, awake, squinting down on him, twisted up in paw patrol sheets, his body emitting that constant low heat of still growing. What a miracle, I thought then, that I'll always get to recall the slant look he gave me when the nurse first brought his new face up to mine, and I could see even then from the start he was sizing me up, finding me somewhere in the adequate to lacking range, though he must have known, must have come knowing, that I'd have to do. Trying to untangle him from

the sheets, I woke him, of course, and he looked up at me mystified, my face inches from his. When he asked what I was doing there, I answered, I'm not here, go back to sleep, and he did. Once my life was neat. It was a handkerchief folded, slipped into a back pocket. No one had to know it was even there. Now it's opened. And wasn't it this I prayed for in some distant, quiet place, all alone, all lonesome and alone. Wasn't it God I asked to allow me the grace to one day learn the names of all the dogs on Paw Patrol, to allow me the grace to one day learn the names of all the dogs on Paw Patrol, all the ponies on My Little Pony, all the Pokemon, good and bad,

the Care Bears, the Transformers, the enemies of Batman, the friends of Batman, all the good guys and all the bad guys forever and ever. Amen. Make it real. Wasn't that exactly what I asked for? I can't believe you are going to do another one of those. Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. That one, I feel like I need to sit with.

Yeah, that's a very good poem. It's a very good poem. It's a very good poem. It feels, I will say, extremely targeted. But very good. I read this interview with her, actually also in the Adroit Journal, but a later issue where she gets asked that question about, like, how do you write about being a mother, basically?

Like, how do you approach it? Like, how do you think about the way it will be judged? And she said in the interview the way i think about motherhood poems now is that it's not writing about children it's writing about the self and children enter the poem i hope it's not reductive to say children and poems are employed for metaphorical purpose but i think you use what you experience with them those bits of of life, the true life, and then shape it to create an image to observe yourself. Fuck yeah. Isn't that nice? God damn, that's good stuff.

Isn't that nice? Because I feel this, I mean, as somebody who, I feel like I didn't have any kind of grand delusions about having children and what that experience would be like. And I didn't set a lot of parameters around what I wanted it to be. So I'm always very sensitive to the fact that a lot of people don't live this life and maybe don't want it for themselves and maybe don't find it particularly interesting because they're not in it. So I'm always hesitant, but I really appreciated the way that she approached that of just like, it is a thing that you do that tells you more about yourself. Right.

And offers you this experience that can let you see things in different ways. You know? I have been thinking a lot, a lot, a lot lately. the show of therapy i feel like for me lately of like we don't we don't talk about our kids that much because we want to afford them a level of privacy that they cannot choose uh or elect to choose uh at this point right and we aren't very like forward about them we don't pose like a bunch of public pictures of them or any of that yeah and not saying either that you're like you're james vanderbeek you know like we know yeah we don't have a level of scrutiny no of course not but it's it is it is something i feel like we can do for them and so yeah we we do it at the same

time the image of myself that is projected out into the world is such a narrow fucking sliver of the rest of my experience and the rest of that experience is in that i feel like is in that poem or reflected in that poem so much and that is like you know it is i guess a type of like narrow casting but i always feel like when i'm talking to parents of kids around this age like it is it is uh it is like a a topic of conversation that is like filled with excitement because like you don't get a chance to really like talk to other people about uh the the day-to-day sort of minutiae of the stuff you do with your kids yeah and it was so you know i've i felt like when i went into therapy right after we had Henry, maybe a year after we had Henry, I thought like I am uniquely bad at this. But then I realized pretty soon after that almost everybody that sees.

Is bad in the same way. Well, and it is very common to seek out therapy after you have children because you are suddenly aware of all of these things about yourself. Right. And all these concerns you have that you will bring to the experience of your children. And it just like shines this light on like if you don't deal with this, this is going to continue forever. Right. You know, like you feel this responsibility. Anyway, we're the best parents who've ever fucking lived.

And we're here to tell you that. Do we have time for my second poem, do you think? I think so, yeah. I mean, the first one was pretty devastating. This one I think is a little. Do a silly one. It's a little silly. Do a silly one.

It's called Summertime. Oh, I like it already. I flush the latest dead fish down the toilet before the children come home. I flush the latest dead fish down the toilet before the children come home. We bought the fish to be little responsibility lessons and then little death lessons for the children. Though the fish keep dying for no clear reason and somehow I am the only one who is ever home to partake of the death lessons. The children are at camp learning to be bored and itchy with a few moments of wonder, and one to two friends each. They are having childhoods and I am having adulthood, watching the silver body that just this morning contained a life flash like money one last time before vanishing down the drain,

trying to decide whether or not to tell them when they arrive, their faces red from sun and chlorine. I pray here over the toilet that in the moment, I will tell them the truth and that I will tell it well enough. Man alive. Lovely. This shit is so good, Rachel. Have you been holding out?

How long have you known about this? About this good poetry? About poetry? Yeah. This shit's so good. Yeah, I was very excited to find this poet so carrie fountain had a book recently called the life came out in 2021 um prior to that uh she had a book of poetry called instant winner in 2014 which i love as a title that is very good uh and then in 2010, Burn Lake.

And those are kind of her three big books of poetry. So I would encourage. Not a joke. That is some of my favorite poetry I think you brought to the show. Yeah. That is really incredible. I added all of those books to my list to purchase. Yeah.

Because I just felt like she's doing it right. Yeah. Hell yeah. I love when this happens. I love it. It's so outside of my like. I know. I know. Thing that when I hear like poetry, it's. I love when this happens. I love it. It's so outside of my thing that when I hear poetry, it's like I've eaten a very good gazpacho. And it's like, I don't know anything about this,

but that's great that you tell me there's more good gazpacho out there. You mean there's more of this? There's more gazpacho? Hey, thank you to Bowen and Augustus for the use of our theme song money won't pay you can find a link to that in the episode description uh we got some new merch over at mackroymerch.com i got a hogs gotta hunt sticker uh inspired by my brother's weed sona that he

brings out when we play video games together um and we're doing a bunch of discounts on uh all of our apparel items oh i didn't know that yeah so now's it now's a great time yeah to get to stock up for the holidays and uh i think that's i think that's probably yeah thanks everybody who maybe still expects these episodes to come out on wednesday we also would like that so adorable we also hope that that will continue at some point. Real quick, two small wonders. Liz says, my small wonder is getting home after a long day taking off my shoes

and popping my toes on my soft carpet. Maybe it was the years of ballet and marching band, but there's nothing more ethereal than a good toe pop and foot stretch. I do love that. That's, I learned that from Die Hard. Of course, of course. Make little balls with your

feet that's so good uh samuel says my small wonder has been someone needs to merge into your lane at the same time you need to merge into theirs and you're able to swap places in a graceful ballet of mutual accommodation that is nice i do like that yeah it feels like um sometimes i want to just like do it back too and just like go back but that would be being two big assholes on the road so we don't usually do that um thank you thank you all again and uh have a good have a good rest of your week we'll be back next wednesday to friday on to the next 300 the next three to six to see you in six next year in No, it'll be six years. No, it'll be many years, yeah.

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