Wonderful! - Wonderful! 344: Sentient Luggage

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Griffin's favorite viral vocalist! Rachel's favorite environment-focused poet! Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoya Native Women Lead: https://www.nativewomenlead.org/

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Music Playing! And Music Playing! And Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hello, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is Wonderful. Welcome to Wonderful.

It's a show where we talk about things we like that's good that we are into. And this is wonderful. Welcome to wonderful. It's a show where we talk about things we like that's good that we are into and you're here with us, which can only mean one thing. You're disturbed by the quality of Griffin's voice. Disturbed is interesting. What I don't love is that I feel like I've gotten so, like sick so often over the last few months

that this bit isn't good anymore. But the first time it's like you hear my cool low voice and you're like, Griffin, your voice sounds so cool, do a Master Chief impression, and then I'm like, Cortana, let's finish the fight. And you're like, holy shit, that's so good. And you laugh, you play it for your friends, your coworkers, your aunt, your uncle.

But the ninth time that it happens, then it's just like, is this the real voice? And the other one is, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, and here's the thing. It's not like your voice sounds weird. It's just, I know what your regular voice sounds like, and this is not it.

I mean, I think it sounds pretty fucking weird. I mean, it doesn't sound great, I think. I like having a sort of mezzo-soprano. Do you know what I mean? Not a baritone, not at a, you know. Even now, I feel compelled to hit him with like a baby back ribs. But then it's like, how many times have I hit

the baby back ribs on him this year? What were you doing? What were you singing? There was something you were singing last night. Maybe it was the Chili song. I'm pretty sure it was just the Chili song. It's my go-to. Do you have any small wonders?

Let's not talk about my poor, my ailing health. Did you just catch me looking out the window? I saw you panic looking out the window like tree, cloud, a branch, umbrella. Window. I saw you panic looking out the window like tree, cloud, branch, umbrella. Window. Umbrella good. Baby, can I say something? I don't know how this catches you by surprise every time.

It seems like it does. We've done it over 300 times. I spend so much time prepping my topic that I literally forget that I need a small wonder until I am walking into your office to record. Let's see, I guess I will say, can you go first? Yeah, I think it's easier for me

because I'm always snacking on little bits of little pieces of media. Did we talk about the circle last week, the circle being back? I don't know if we have, I feel like- We may have mentioned that it was back, but if we did, we did it at a time where we hadn't seen much. We're deep in that.

I think the season's just about over. I think there might be a last batch of episodes coming next week. I still love this show. I, it's very much leaning into like the Netflix reality style of like, characters welcome, which is, you know, I'm kind of used to it,

I guess, at this point. The gameplay has been so weird this season, because all the people who I would have thought first blush would be good at the game are not that good at the game, and the people who I thought would be terrible at the game are running the game. It is a messy fucking season,

where people are just making shit up and then getting caught immediately. And it is, that doesn't really happen that often in the circle. The circle is usually a game of like exceeding caution, a lot of bet hedging, a lot of like playing both sides. This one is just people making shit up for no reason. This routine has developed this season

where there is the blocking and then there is the immediate group chat after the blocking. And those aren't every time ruthless. So nasty. People come in hot and throw insults around and then the rest of the episode is spent like trying to unpack what was said in that chat.

There's a woman who blocks someone and then that person comes to visit them and they play really nice like they didn't, you know. Like they were innocent. And then afterwards in the group chat the next morning, they're like, yeah, and then they came and they told me that this person was disloyal and terrible. And it was totally fabricated, totally made up.

And then everyone started like questioning that and she was like, hey guys, I'm only telling you what he told me. Like in the confessionals, like I'm just saying, he came to me to tell me this. I did make it up, it is a lie. It's, I don't know. Yeah, and the people that are being targeted

tend to be people that are not like. Not threats at all. Yeah, like wild. There's juggernaut sort of running the season, but it is still very enjoyable. It's still just the corking seat of the show of a social strategy show where you don't actually see the people is pretty good.

Was that enough time? Yes. So I, now that both sons are in school, we have kind of divided and conquered and you do Henry's lunch and I do Gus's lunch. And we found out last night particularly that it is not uncommon for a bunch of preschool children not to eat their lunch every day.

Which is, I guess makes sense. It's like you're somewhere else. You don't have your parents harping on you. I guess so. But it's led me to be creative and one thing I have discovered is breakfast for lunch. Breakfast for lunch. You've heard of breakfast for dinner. I have. What I'm speaking to now. I've heard of brunch also I have discovered is breakfast for lunch. Breakfast for lunch.

You've heard of breakfast for dinner. I have. What I'm speaking to now. I've heard of brunch also, but this is different from that you're saying. Is putting like a waffle or small pancakes, I got these little small microwave pancakes by the way, I don't know if you've seen them.

Oh delightful, no I haven't seen those, I did crib one of those Belgian waffles and. How was it? Oh God is good. Good, okay. We're always trying to find new stuff because both of our children tend to eat the same two or three things on rotation

and I just got really excited about breakfast for lunch because I thought like this is something I can be pretty confident they'll eat. Yeah, sure. And you know, easy to pack. Gotta get them into super donuts, you know, if they're gonna like smash some morning pastries, might as well make sure they're filled with vitamins

and nutrients. I am not convinced this is anywhere else in the world. Super donuts? Yeah, maybe not. I was asking our friend, Slice, who did not grow up in Huntington, West Virginia, and was not at all familiar, because he was talking to me about them,

and I was like, is this something you know too? These are extremely wet, nutrient enriched donuts. And he's like, the only reason I know about it is because of your husband and his brothers, and he's like, the only reason I know about it is because of your husband and his brothers. And he's like, and apparently they're still serving them at the school because his children are now eating them. Hell yeah, I love it. Full circle.

I go first this week. I would like to talk about a song. This song was introduced to me by my oldest brother, Justin McElroy, who has a tendency, musically speaking, to kind of come down from the mountaintop every once in a while. Be very infrequently.

Very, very infrequently. He's got great taste in music. But just occasionally he'll come down and he'll be like, hey, check this out. And he'll just like hand a little note that says like, Vulfpeck on it. And it's like, oh shit. And on this most recent tour, we were in,

I believe Orlando, and he was like, hey, check this song out, I keep listening to it. And he just played it in the green room, backstage. The song is by an artist named Spencer Sutherland. It is a two and a half minute long anthem for just being an extremely messy person. In the fun sense, not in the like, you make a, you leave stuff out all over, but you're just like,

you, you're a messy person. Because the song is called Drama. Spencer Sutherland is a, is sort of a indie pop guy from Pickerington, Ohio, just outside of Columbus. And this song really packs a lot into a very small, very sort of traditional pop package. It is the extent to which it kind of leans into the campiness and the like,

how outrageously like powerful the vocals and like soaring electric guitars are that really push it over the top. It just like gets in, sings a song about being a fucking disaster person, and gets out. So as to not waste any time, I'm gonna play a little clip of drama by Spencer Sutherland here at the top. And when it glows, my cue to give it away Woke up with an attitude, and a smile on my face When it looms, you get to choose

When all the words are stayed today Making the same places to be Living the dream, doing it for the Drama Drama Wonder Oh, it feels good in the middle What's life without a little drama? This song is really firing on all cylinders for me. Can I have you, there is a band in particular I thought of when I heard this song. A band or an artist?

A band. A band, huh? That's interesting. I mean, there is an artist within the band. I mean, uh, I mean, Queen is close. Yeah. Immediately. I think, uh, specifically like, uh, the song Killer Queen, like I think it has

that vibe a lot, but there's also more modern pop sensibilities like a Rufus Wainwright or a Mika. It's not just pure, what I think really sets him apart is that his vocals are not just pure falsetto glam rock, which I adore, there's nothing wrong with that, but there is some grit and some gristle to his voice that I think is kind of unique in this space. And the chorus of this song is just fucking explosive.

The way it kind of backs out and then hits you with this huge, crazy minor seventh chord as he just screams drama. There's this backing men's choir baritones just coming in with a drama, ma, ma, ma, ma, that is so fun. Like it's fucking, it is so not serious, but it like, it hits so hard.

All the same, like it is all of this stuff about like the theme of the song, the subject matter of the song, the composition of the song, all being fucking laser focused on delivering this one thing. And I don't know, I feel like if the song, the composition of the song, all being fucking laser focused on delivering this one thing. And I don't know, I feel like if this song came out when I was still a theater kid,

like it would have been on every single mix CD at every single party, every cast party I ever went to, which makes me feel a weird nostalgia for this song. It does have like a musical like theater quality, particularly when you watch the video and it's just him on the stage. Yeah, he's put a lyric video out and it's just him wearing this extremely sort of frilly

blouse and he's got like a microphone in front of a velvet curtain and that's pretty much it. He just kind of like blasts it. So this guy Spencer Sutherland, he cut his teeth on YouTube. He ran a sort of like blog, video blog channel that was also like on it, he would do covers of other like vocalists songs that he really liked.

And he had a big break, he was chosen for Elvis Duran's Artist of the Month, which is a recurring segment on the Today Show. So he got to come on the Today Show and he performed his first single, which is called recurring segment on the Today Show. So he got to come on the Today Show and he performed his first single, which is called Selfish. And then after that, he was cast on the UK version of the X Factor with Simon Cowell and all that in 2017.

And he made it to the top 16 on that show, which is not too bad for an American competing on the British X Factor. And since then, he's just sort of like been on his grind in the way that a lot of like indie artists sort of have to be these days. He's been touring a whole bunch. He's put out a fuck ton of singles.

He's put out a few EPs. He was touring as an opener for a band, Big Time Rush. I don't know if you've heard of them. He's done a bunch of modeling and acting, kind of just like putting everything out there while also being like extremely active on TikTok and YouTube and all that stuff. I mean, it's just one of those people

that's just like extremely creative that is like always creating. Yeah, but it's also like, I don't know, I genuinely, I think there is an unfortunate side of that, right, which is like, you have to do that because you can't just make money, like writing music and selling it, like you have to do all that other stuff.

So like, but at the same time, like it is, I don't know, it's hard to not root for someone who is just like really fucking grinding it out as much as Spencer Sutherland is. So last March, he released his debut album, which is called In His Mania, which kicked off this enormous worldwide tour. And then his second album, his next album,

which this song, Drama, is off of, comes out on October 4th, and it is titled appropriately The Drama. I've not found a ton of press on this dude, which was surprising to me. But I did find a couple of interviews in terms of like his personal style. He kind of cites Elvis as his main kind of aesthetic

influence. Oh, interesting. But in terms of like music, it's like all the big names in 70s rock and Motown, specifically Bowie and Elton John and the Rolling Stones, but also Marvin Gaye. He's done a bunch of covers of Marvin Gaye's music. And so he's pulling from a pretty deep well.

I haven't done that big of a dive on his sort of body of work. I've just mostly listened to this one, two and a half minute long song over and over again, because I think it's, I don't know, it's hysterical and it's just delightful. It's just delightful. It's a song that does not take itself seriously

by an artist not taking himself seriously. And yet, like everything that I like about like what makes a good song, what makes a song that that I enjoy listening to, this song kind of has it all. And I really like that juxtaposition because I definitely listen to a lot of music that is serious people doing serious things

and I don't know, it's just nice to kind of enjoy something else every once in a while. So that is Drama by Spencer Sutherland off the new album, The Drama, which comes out October 4th. Check it out. That was very TRL of me, I feel like. I felt very Carson Daly there.

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On MaximumFun.org or wherever you get your podcasts. I felt it was time for us to go back to a particular corner that you know well. The car corner where you give sort of automotive beauty tips. I'm Clack Click. I'm Clack Click. I'm Clank. No, the poetry corner. Bum-a-dum. Oh, I can really get down there.

Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum.

Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Bum-a-dum. Calling to salad and scrambling. Just picturing somebody driving in the car and like turning their bass up. Yeah, fucking bump that shit everyone. Maybe I see me back in people's room, baby. I got you bad.

Did you know that that is, that's the guy? Kelsey Grammers singing the song? Isn't that wild? Yeah. This is like. I don't know what to do with those salad and scr like, This is like popsicle stick trivia. This is like basic level Frasier trivia. They're calling again.

I didn't really include any poetry in that. That was just the Seinfeld theme song. You mean the Frasier? They're the same show. Whoa. Baby, I'm so sick. I'm fucking high on Dayquil. Don't trust anything I'm saying right now.

The poet I wanna talk about this week is Camille Dungy. She is a poet from Colorado that went on to Stanford and UNC for her MFA, and now she is back in Colorado. And she is a very accomplished poet that I didn't know a whole lot about. It was one of those poets, she's edited a lot of anthologies too. So I have heard her name,

but I didn't know a lot of her work, so I spent some time just going through her stuff. She is a poet that has been lately more focused on kind of environmental topics. Her most recent book came out in 2023 called Soil, The Story of a Black Mother's Garden, which is actually not a poetry collection. She writes poems, but she also writes nonfiction.

This is in fact a- That's not allowed. You can only do the one or the other. Right, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm, and I'm gonna say this, and this is maybe not true. You hear of a lot of poets that write in other genres. Right.

I feel like you don't hear of a lot of like fiction or nonfiction writers that that are so writing poetry. Like people that are poets first, I feel like are more likely to branch out than people that are not poets. We are about to get our inboxes absolutely flooded with it. Actually, John Grisham's poetry is... Dan Brown's poetry really, there's a musicality to it.

So the most recent book, I wanna talk a little bit about, Dan Brown's poetry really, there's a musicality to it. So the most recent book, I wanna talk a little bit about, it's not a poetry book, but it sounds really interesting to me. She recounts seven years she spent in Colorado trying to diversify her garden. She moved in 2013 with her husband and daughter and moved into a community that held strict restrictions about what residents could and could not plant in their garden. Jesus Christ. And so the summary says, in resistance to the homogeneous policies that

limited the possibility and wonder that grows from the earth, Dungey employs the various plants, herbs, vegetables, and flowers she grows in her garden as a metaphor and treatise for how homogeneity threatens the future of our planet. Can I just say you saying that word right so confidently the first time was genuinely like, I'm a little turned on. It was so cool of you and smart of you.

And I can't, I would have taken a run at that word with try attempting the same level of confidence that you had and I would have absolutely like planted my rib cage into it, flipped over it two times and fell on the ground in a big puddle of mud. I mean, that's the difference between you and me is that like I've got book smarts and you've got street smarts. Yeah, and street smarts Yeah, and game smarts and game game smarts and also not street smarts

So she's got web smarts She has written four full-length poetry Collections the first one came out in 2006 the the most recent one in 2016. And I wanted to share a little bit of her work. Yeah. So this is from her most recent book, which is called Trophic Cascade. Again, came out in 2017. The poem is called There Are These Moments there are these moments of permission. There are these moments of permission between raindrops, space, certainly, but we call it all rain. I hang in the undrenched intervals while Callie is sleeping,

my old self necessary and imperceptible as air. I like that. Yes, quick one. It's a quick one. So Callie is her daughter. Okay. And what of course drew me in, I'm not like obviously big environment fan,

love environment. Yeah, sure. But she also wrote a lot of poems about being a mother and her early experience being a mother. Yeah. And a lot of her poems kind of speak to this like, this time in your life where you kind of become completely fixated on this small child and lose like all sense of self. Yeah, sure. And so that poem is kind of an introduction to that part of her career. There's this great interview she gave. And this is from 2021 by Amanda Jaros,

a conversation with Camille T. Dungey. She talks about how she wrote a lot about her daughter when she was young. And you know, and does she still do that and is that something that's still interesting to her and she said quote I joke sometimes that four is around the age when children stop being sentient luggage there are years where you can pick up a child and put them where you need them to be they have wills of their own of course but they are still small and they don't have a particularly large English vocabulary. Around the age of four, their language skills improve so that they are able to more clearly articulate their desires in ways that those of us obtuse enough to believe words are the only way to communicate can understand.

That's great. I disagree so thoroughly with that number. I feel like it's considerably lower. Wait. with that number, I feel like it's considerably lower. You think, wait. At what age could we ever have referred to Gus as luggage? Not possible. The boy is just wild. He's a wild boy. Yes, but I will say the age at which they start really becoming a person and you can see who that person is,

is I think kind of around three or four. Well, they're always a person, but they, that you're able to talk to them. You know what I mean, like their personality, what makes see who that person is, is I think kind of around three or four. Well they're always a person, but you're able to talk to them. You know what I mean, like their personality, like what makes them who they are and what is likely to stick with them. I understand that, yeah, for sure. As they get older.

Yeah. So I wanted to read one more poem from her that again is about the experience of being a mother. This is from 2018. And it's called The Average Mother. The average mother loses 700 hours of sleep in the first year of her child's life or what that first year taught me about America. Most of us favor one side when we walk. As we tire we leaned into that side and stop moving in a straight line so it

takes longer to get anywhere, let alone home. In wilderness conditions, when people don't know the terrain, a tired person might end up leaning so far into one side they'll walk in a circle rather than straight ahead. It can kill you, such leaning, and it can get you killed. Rest helps. I told my husband I walked in a circle in my mind but you came out okay. Initially he asked me to clarify but then he let it go. Who wrote that first if you lived here you'd be home by now sign? It seems like I'm going to have to move. I am tired and also sick of helping other people in lieu of helping myself. Rest now.

It's really not that bad. We're in the home stretch. That's the mind of a parent, relentless optimism in the face of sheer panic and exhaustion. Jesus Christ. I feel like you gotta warn me when one of these is gonna hit that real, hit that hard.

It's immediately apparent why this poem resonated with you. Yeah, I feel like I am always searching for, and I've talked about this before, poetry about the experience of being a parent that feels unique and feels like it has a really strong voice and speaks to this kind of hidden experience that a lot of people have. Yeah, sure.

And I felt like that was a really good example of that. But I will say a lot of her poetry is focused on the environment. It was just difficult for me to find something to share. Yeah, sure. Again, her most recent collection is Trophic Cascade. It came out in 2016. But her most recent book that I mentioned at the beginning

is Soil, The Story of a Black Mother's Garden. And that came out in 2023. She's an incredible poet. She is still teaching today. I was gonna ask if she was teaching, because I feel like all of them, all these poets, gotta teach. She's a professor in the English department

at Colorado State University. Also has an Instagram account, if you wanna check her out. I was excited to see, you don't see a lot of poets on social media. Yeah. That was pretty cool. I love that. Yeah. Awesome, do you wanna know what our friends at home

are talking about? Yes. We got Kevin, who says, my small wonder is seeing cows on my drive to work. That was pretty cool. I love that. Yeah. Awesome. Do you wanna know what our friends at home are talking about? Yes. We got Kevin who says, my small wonder is seeing cows on my drive to work. I drive by a small farm every morning and it's always fun to see the cows out grazing. This was one of the benefits of living in Texas.

Yeah. I always will point out cows or ponies. I know, it's impossible not to. It's impossible not to, they're huge. And you don't see them that often. No. And it's impossible not to. It's impossible not to, they're huge and you don't see them that often. And it's so exciting. Then they're different colors. Some of them have long hair.

What? Coco says, my small wonder is annual TV routines. I've been watching the Great British Bake Off with my family for the last 10 years and every autumn I get so excited about each charming new season and a chance to return to this cozy, familiar routine with the people I love.

The Great Pottery Throwdown is similarly beloved example of this, that my mom and I love watching in the winter, filling the cold Scottish evenings with some heartwarming programming. Oh, that's nice. Yes, this whole message was like a blanket, Coco. Thank you so much. I agree.

I mean, I feel like at this point, we have a seasonal TV like thing for, and I think this is why people watch sports. I think people watch sports mostly for this thing, to know that like, well, spring's coming up, us baseball boys are about to go wild. Hockey preseason just started. Hasn't been going too great for the blues,

but we're not gonna, we're not sweating it, man. It's preseason, it don't count. This is where you play your new players and figure out kind of who you're gonna line up with who. Cuttin' their teeth, man. This isn't necessarily reflective of how the season's going to be. Yeah, so I love that.

Survivor's back on, I feel like. It's just, we're really, our moonsors back on, I feel like it's just, our moons are aligning, babe. Are you feeling it now? We talked about the moons before. I know, we did last episode. Is this the thing we do now? Do we have a moon corner?

You know what? I've actually been pretty sick this week. My moons have bumped slightly out of Sisyphe. Do you understand maybe now why I was so superstitious about speaking about? I don't think I got sick because I said my moons were aligning. I think I got sick because I said my moons were aligning. I think I got sick because I've traveled so much

and our kids go to school. I don't think God blighted me for my hubris. Did you have you checked your email recently? From. From both schools. We got it. We got an email. We don't have to put them on blast,

but yes, we keep getting pretty upsetting health notifications. In the past two days, we keep getting pretty upsetting health notifications. In the past two days, we got those notifications of like X viruses has been found in the vicinity of your child, and they were two different viruses. Yeah, come at us, bro. Don't fucking come at us.

We're so tired, Jesus Christ. Please, please don't. September has been the longest month. Wake me up when it ends, right? You've made that joke. I'll make it every time I feel like making it is a good joke, dang it. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks to Bowen and Augustus

for the U-Sprite theme song, Money Won't Pay. Find a link to that in the episode description. Thank you to Maximum Fun for having us on the network. Go over to maximumfun.org, check out all the great stuff they've got popping over there. We're doing a few more shows later this year from a Bim Bam and Taz in Phoenix and Denver and Indianapolis and Milwaukee.

You can find tickets and links over at bit.ly slash McRoy Tours and all of our merch can be found over at McRoyMerch.com. There's some great stuff up there this month. So go check it out. I can't talk any, I don't want. Hey, I have a quick question. So across the street,

it looks like our neighbors have an office kind of within eye shot. Do you ever see your office buddy in there? Oh, we have full American beauty style window to window conversations. Just like, he makes eyes at me and I make eyes at him and I can tell he's on some shit about a plastic grocery bag just kind of flying around outside.

And he'll like hold up a sign that's like, did you see that dope ass grocery bag? And I'm, I should shake my head no. And that's it, we do our yoga together. Oh, I love that. Yeah, you know, the sun, we face the same way for the salutation. I don't know much about that.

Bye. percent for the salutation. I don't know much about that. Bye! Maximum Fun, a workaround network of artist-owned shows, supported directly by you.