Wonderful! - Wonderful! 353: We Might Get a BAFTA
Episode Date: December 4, 2024Griffin's favorite high-concept educational cubes! Rachel's favorite cultural exchange! Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoyaH...armony House: https://harmonyhousewv.com/
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                                         Wicked Man's Theme Song"]
                                         
                                         Hi, this is Rachel McElroy.
                                         
                                         Hi, this is Griffin McElroy.
                                         
                                         And this is Wonderful.
                                         
                                         Welcome to Wonderful, a show we talk about things we like
                                         
                                         that's good and into,
                                         
                                         and it's beginning to feel a lot like holidays.
                                         
    
                                         Did you see what I did there?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I'm learning.
                                         
                                         The woke police got you,
                                         
                                         and now you can't say Christmas anymore?
                                         
                                         I've been in woke jail for over a decade now,
                                         
                                         and it's finally sinking in that it's holidays.
                                         
                                         Can I tell you, I have been trying
                                         
    
                                         to put together a holiday card.
                                         
                                         Okay, cool.
                                         
                                         I've been doing it for the past few years,
                                         
                                         feel pretty proud that I'm continuing to do it.
                                         
                                         You're very good.
                                         
                                         I spent a lot of time looking at these templates
                                         
                                         that these websites offer,
                                         
                                         and all of them that are not explicitly Christmas
                                         
    
                                         feel so transparently like not saying, that I can't bring myself.
                                         
                                         That's interesting.
                                         
                                         Like, Merry everything, and I'm like, this feels bad.
                                         
                                         Right, the sentiment.
                                         
                                         I don't like saying, like, best holidays to you,
                                         
                                         but then the graphics are all like holly leaves and snowmen.
                                         
                                         So the sentiment is obviously good. The sentiment of there's more than just Christmas is good.
                                         
                                         You're saying it's gone all the way around the bend
                                         
    
                                         where it's like, unironically,
                                         
                                         did you notice how I didn't say Merry Christmas?
                                         
                                         Yeah, like it's fair and intentionally
                                         
                                         not saying Merry Christmas, which I appreciate.
                                         
                                         But it's also like fa la la
                                         
                                         and there's like a present under a tree.
                                         
                                         Yeah, sure. I'm like, okay. a tree. Yeah, sure.
                                         
                                         I'm like, okay.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And then, yeah.
                                         
                                         Jesus is in the corner just winking like,
                                         
                                         you know, you get it.
                                         
                                         The main one though, right?
                                         
                                         The main big one.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so I haven't pulled the trigger on it.
                                         
                                         I mean, it's still early enough.
                                         
    
                                         I don't feel bad.
                                         
                                         These postcards go up pretty quick.
                                         
                                         True.
                                         
                                         When you use one of these websites,
                                         
                                         but man, it's really stumped me.
                                         
                                         I got to explain to Gus what Hanukkah is,
                                         
                                         a holiday he has celebrated twice before, three times.
                                         
                                         Oh yeah, but I mean he's three and a half, so.
                                         
    
                                         He's three and a half, so he doesn't quite get the,
                                         
                                         I mean, in our defense, he probably doesn't know
                                         
                                         much about most holidays or anything.
                                         
                                         Yeah, no, he keeps being confused that it's not Christmas.
                                         
                                         Or his birthday. Or his birthday.
                                         
                                         Or his birthday.
                                         
                                         So angry when someone else had a birthday that wasn't him.
                                         
                                         He thinks that his birthday should be Henry's birthday
                                         
    
                                         and that he should be five years old.
                                         
                                         He always lies about his age,
                                         
                                         like he is trying to get cast in something.
                                         
                                         I can play five.
                                         
                                         Or like compete in an athletic event
                                         
                                         for which he would not otherwise be eligible.
                                         
                                         I'm feeling it, I feel like the- What did you say about Hanukkah, by the way? or like compete in an athletic event for which he would not otherwise be eligible.
                                         
                                         I'm feeling it.
                                         
    
                                         I feel like the-
                                         
                                         What did you say about Hanukkah by the way?
                                         
                                         You know, the whole deal.
                                         
                                         I, you know, the Maccabees and like the whole deal.
                                         
                                         Oh really, you got into that?
                                         
                                         No, I didn't quite get into the Maccabees
                                         
                                         and their three year old.
                                         
                                         I was gonna say usually I'm just like,
                                         
    
                                         oh, it's a miracle and there's a bunch of nights
                                         
                                         and you like candles.
                                         
                                         That's, I gave him the sort of brass tacks.
                                         
                                         That's honestly about my level of understanding.
                                         
                                         Okay, interesting.
                                         
                                         Yeah, my spirit, I feel like the world's trying
                                         
                                         to keep me from having it, but I do feel,
                                         
                                         I do feel, I honestly think it's putting together
                                         
    
                                         the candle night stuff, like really gets my noodle going,
                                         
                                         my holiday noodle.
                                         
                                         That's true, but you do it early
                                         
                                         and then you have this kind of-
                                         
                                         Burnout.
                                         
                                         Limbo also, where it's like,
                                         
                                         I started on thinking about this in November.
                                         
                                         I know, it's still gonna be,
                                         
    
                                         December 14th, 9 p.m.
                                         
                                         Get your tickets now, bit.ly slash candle nights,
                                         
                                         tickets 2024.
                                         
                                         I think you're gonna like what you see.
                                         
                                         You're gonna like what you see
                                         
                                         from the wonderful representatives.
                                         
                                         Griffin and I collabed in a way we never have before.
                                         
                                         We collabed, it's huge, gang.
                                         
    
                                         It's the hardest we've ever worked on anything.
                                         
                                         We might get a deal out of this.
                                         
                                         We might get a BAFTA out of this.
                                         
                                         Do you have any small wonders?
                                         
                                         You know what, I'm gonna say your hair.
                                         
                                         Oh wow, that means a lot to me today of all days.
                                         
                                         Griffin has been trying some new approaches to hair.
                                         
                                         I think he always kind of put it on the back burner.
                                         
    
                                         But- That's an interesting way
                                         
                                         of thinking about one's hair.
                                         
                                         Well, I just feel like- I can't worry about you hair.
                                         
                                         Kind of, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah, sure.
                                         
                                         Like you would wait to the last minute to get a haircut.
                                         
                                         You would see whoever was available.
                                         
                                         You would just buy the same product.
                                         
    
                                         That's not true.
                                         
                                         Shout outs to my Marley.
                                         
                                         No, I mean my old hair stylist back in Austin.
                                         
                                         Although I will say.
                                         
                                         Who I saw for years and years.
                                         
                                         I like your hair better now.
                                         
                                         Well, that's not her fault
                                         
                                         as much as it's I'm trying some new stuff out.
                                         
    
                                         He's got some new products.
                                         
                                         True.
                                         
                                         And it's more shapely, it's softer.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I mean, I use that Moroccan oil.
                                         
                                         I'd get deep down in there.
                                         
                                         I do have some pretty severe dandruff right now,
                                         
                                         but that is not the argan oils' fault.
                                         
    
                                         That's nature and genetics and climate.
                                         
                                         And so I did go to the dermatologist today
                                         
                                         to get some special shampoo for my hair.
                                         
                                         And it's gonna, I'll be honest, baby,
                                         
                                         it's gonna compromise my output somewhat.
                                         
                                         Did you talk to him like, hey, I just got a good thing going.
                                         
                                         And he gets it, he is a beautiful man, he understands.
                                         
                                         He gets the importance of it,
                                         
    
                                         but it shouldn't disrupt the flow for too long.
                                         
                                         I wanna have it shining and gleaming for you
                                         
                                         on our anniversary coming up real soon.
                                         
                                         Really, it's gonna happen that quick?
                                         
                                         You just get in and out of that, like a couple days
                                         
                                         and then ban?
                                         
                                         A couple days, it's special hair medicine.
                                         
                                         I don't know, man.
                                         
    
                                         I'm gonna say, hmm.
                                         
                                         I just finished another big Lego build
                                         
                                         that I was pretty proud of.
                                         
                                         It's behind me.
                                         
                                         It's behind me.
                                         
                                         It's the Great Deku Tree from Zelda.
                                         
                                         It's great when you get the box,
                                         
                                         there's two different versions,
                                         
    
                                         so you can make it look like the Great Deku Tree
                                         
                                         from Breath of the Wild,
                                         
                                         or you can do it like the Great Deku Tree from O of the Wild, or you can do it like the Great Deku Tree
                                         
                                         from Ocarina of Time on the Nintendo 64.
                                         
                                         It's like a choose your own adventure Lego set.
                                         
                                         So was the book like a hundred pages?
                                         
                                         The book is gigantic.
                                         
                                         It's a fun book. Oh my God.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, cause like halfway through it's like,
                                         
                                         and then do this if you wanna do the, anyway.
                                         
                                         Proud of it, happy with it.
                                         
                                         I have now a few of these sets that I have put together.
                                         
                                         Oh, Rachel and I collabed on a set
                                         
                                         that Henry wanted for his birthday,
                                         
                                         and it is like a pixel art sprite of Super Mario World
                                         
                                         of Mario with the cape on riding on Yoshi's back.
                                         
    
                                         And it moves, and there's like eight different parts
                                         
                                         of it that move.
                                         
                                         And it's so satisfying
                                         
                                         to put that shit all together.
                                         
                                         What are you doing?
                                         
                                         Are you looking at a picture of how beautiful
                                         
                                         it is right now?
                                         
                                         No, that reminded me there is a text chain
                                         
    
                                         between all of the ladies associated with Christmas
                                         
                                         that Carol started.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         And she was going through talking about
                                         
                                         the different things.
                                         
                                         And one of the things I put on there was that Piranha Plant.
                                         
                                         Because I thought Henry would like that.
                                         
                                         Yeah, sure.
                                         
    
                                         Did Carol say this looks too intense?
                                         
                                         No, she called it something funny
                                         
                                         and I wanted to look at that.
                                         
                                         Oh, I must know what Carol called it.
                                         
                                         She said, I got the Lego idea book
                                         
                                         and Fly Eater Lego thing. Fly Eater Lego thing for the Piranha said, I got the Lego idea book and fly eater Lego thing.
                                         
                                         Fly eater Lego thing for the Piranha Plant, I do like that.
                                         
                                         I go first this week.
                                         
    
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         I'm gonna do a very special television program
                                         
                                         that has meant a lot to me as a very recently,
                                         
                                         you can count on them, they're the number blocks.
                                         
                                         Whoa, I would love to know more about the number blocks.
                                         
                                         Yeah, good.
                                         
                                         I'm glad that you're talking about this.
                                         
                                         The number blocks, in our house more than ever,
                                         
    
                                         I am grateful for any television programming
                                         
                                         that does not feature Toilet Men
                                         
                                         or beatboxing undead monsters.
                                         
                                         Yeah, now we're past Toilet Men, which is great,
                                         
                                         but we're into Sprunky, which is-
                                         
                                         We're into Sprunky, which is horrible.
                                         
                                         As bad, if not worse.
                                         
                                         Way worse, especially like Gus has been to school
                                         
    
                                         maybe three times in the last three weeks.
                                         
                                         Been home a lot, and I am so grateful for Numberblocks.
                                         
                                         I sing songs of great praise for Number Blocks
                                         
                                         for keeping us company during this trying time.
                                         
                                         Pretty effective.
                                         
                                         It's wildly effective and good at teaching numeracy
                                         
                                         in a way that I've never seen before.
                                         
                                         It seems like the kind of thing, it is so on the nose.
                                         
    
                                         Like they are literally like blocks stacked
                                         
                                         in like a tens format, like Unix cubes,
                                         
                                         if you remember that.
                                         
                                         Thank you for telling me the name of what those were.
                                         
                                         They're like literally the shape of Unix cubes
                                         
                                         and it matches the number that they are.
                                         
                                         Each number has its own color and character.
                                         
                                         And they're very literal of like, we've got a three here
                                         
    
                                         and he's gonna join with a two and what's that gonna make?
                                         
                                         But for whatever reason, man, it works.
                                         
                                         It works.
                                         
                                         So Number Blocks is a British educational animated show
                                         
                                         about the number blocks, which are blocks
                                         
                                         that represent different numbers.
                                         
                                         And every episode focuses either on a number
                                         
                                         or as the series goes on,
                                         
    
                                         focuses on increasingly complex mathematical concepts.
                                         
                                         is on increasingly complex mathematical concepts.
                                         
                                         So season one, episode one is titled One, and it's about the number one.
                                         
                                         That's where we start.
                                         
                                         And then an episode in the most recent season
                                         
                                         is called Now in 3D, and it explores the concept
                                         
                                         of like cubed numbers in 3D space.
                                         
                                         It's the one where you get like a nine by nine, or three by three by three,
                                         
    
                                         and a two by two by two is 22.
                                         
                                         It gets really, I mean, it's designed for three
                                         
                                         to six year olds, so like pretty complex for that age group.
                                         
                                         And it really is brilliant how much,
                                         
                                         the great lengths this show goes to
                                         
                                         to characterize these numbers, right?
                                         
                                         Like one is bold and independent because they're one
                                         
                                         and three thinks it's like the most important magic number
                                         
    
                                         of all time.
                                         
                                         Where's the little crown?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And seven is rainbow colored and very lucky
                                         
                                         because it's seven and eight has tentacles
                                         
                                         because it's eight like an octopus.
                                         
                                         10 looks like a tall rocket or something.
                                         
                                         And then when you get numbers bigger than 10,
                                         
    
                                         it's just like the big 10 stack
                                         
                                         with like the other zero through nine characters
                                         
                                         like attached, or I guess one through nine characters.
                                         
                                         Although there is a zero block too,
                                         
                                         which is just a floating zero with no block whatsoever.
                                         
                                         And so there's episodes that kind of explore that concept.
                                         
                                         And like these shows are exploring
                                         
                                         like fairly basic like mathematical concepts for us, right?
                                         
    
                                         Adults that know all this shit already.
                                         
                                         But man, it really, by taking Unix blocks,
                                         
                                         which was the way that like that I feel like I really cracked
                                         
                                         what math and numbers were.
                                         
                                         And I think that's true for a lot of kids.
                                         
                                         Unix blocks, if we're saying this thing.
                                         
                                         Unix cubes is what they're called.
                                         
                                         Unix cubes.
                                         
    
                                         It's just like you get little blue cubes
                                         
                                         and those are ones.
                                         
                                         And so if you get seven of those, you have seven cubes
                                         
                                         and you know that's seven, but then there's a tall.
                                         
                                         And you can like interlock them.
                                         
                                         You can interlock them to make like a stack and that's 10,
                                         
                                         or there can be like a square of them that's 100.
                                         
                                         And like being able to see and touch that stuff
                                         
    
                                         was how I figured out numbers.
                                         
                                         And like that's what Henry's doing now in second grade
                                         
                                         as they get into like heavier stuff.
                                         
                                         It's so smart.
                                         
                                         It's the kind of thing.
                                         
                                         Like if I was given a thing like 13 plus,
                                         
                                         like, I don't know, eight.
                                         
                                         Like all of a sudden I'm like,
                                         
    
                                         uh-oh, that's complicated for me to do in my head.
                                         
                                         13 plus eight is complicated for you to do it?
                                         
                                         I know you were just trying to think of an example
                                         
                                         and you shot way, way low.
                                         
                                         Okay, I'll say 13 plus 48.
                                         
                                         Yeah, that is tough.
                                         
                                         That's a little more complicated, right?
                                         
                                         But thinking about it in terms of tens
                                         
    
                                         and then what you have left over
                                         
                                         and how you add that in, so much easier,
                                         
                                         I wish that had been more part of it.
                                         
                                         Because we were very much the carry the one generation.
                                         
                                         And more than any other subject,
                                         
                                         I think math is the one that once you know it,
                                         
                                         you really take for granted like how abstract a concept
                                         
                                         it is and how hard it is for kids
                                         
    
                                         to really begin to grapple with.
                                         
                                         And so these visual ways of representing it,
                                         
                                         these tangible ways of representing it
                                         
                                         are like the silver bullet.
                                         
                                         This show takes that concept
                                         
                                         and also makes each of the cubes a character, right?
                                         
                                         And so you can start, so man,
                                         
                                         that really is the secret sauce
                                         
    
                                         that kind of makes everything make sense.
                                         
                                         Gus.
                                         
                                         It's so like approachable.
                                         
                                         It's like not as abstract.
                                         
                                         It's like friendly.
                                         
                                         It doesn't feel like this kind of scary, intimidating thing.
                                         
                                         No, Gus was home from school for a whole week
                                         
                                         with walking pneumonia, and we just watched number blocks,
                                         
    
                                         usually with him sitting on one of our laps,
                                         
                                         usually Rachel's lap, the whole time,
                                         
                                         and he was measurably smarter at the end of the week.
                                         
                                         Like he was doing sort of basic,
                                         
                                         we would not be paying attention, and it would be like,
                                         
                                         and then the three block matches with the four block
                                         
                                         and Gus would just be like, seven.
                                         
                                         He'd be like, holy shit.
                                         
    
                                         Like there's something happening that is like really,
                                         
                                         it's kind of difficult to describe,
                                         
                                         but it is taking these mathematical principles,
                                         
                                         these educational principles that work
                                         
                                         and enhancing them in a way that seems like
                                         
                                         bigger than a educational television show has done before.
                                         
                                         This is not supplemental in a way where it's like,
                                         
                                         yeah, and you feel good about having your kids watch it
                                         
    
                                         because it's kind of educational too.
                                         
                                         It's not supplemental, it is like transformational in a way.
                                         
                                         I don't even know if that's a word.
                                         
                                         It is transformational in a way where it's like, transformative, that's a word, it is transformational in a way where it's like
                                         
                                         transformative, that's probably the word that I'm saying.
                                         
                                         I think they're both words.
                                         
                                         Where it's like, this is a different way
                                         
                                         of teaching this subject.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And it works remarkably well.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's very smart because I mean,
                                         
                                         for me and for a lot of people, I'm very visual.
                                         
                                         It is so much more helpful for me.
                                         
                                         Like reading a word problem was challenging
                                         
                                         because I had to really like, okay, picture everything
                                         
                                         and slot it into its category
                                         
    
                                         and try and understand what was being asked.
                                         
                                         But these little blocks stack on top of each other
                                         
                                         and I'm like, oh, I can see what has happened
                                         
                                         that that four and three have joined together
                                         
                                         and now I understand what has happened.
                                         
                                         And it also, it scales really well, too.
                                         
                                         There's an episode, a recent one called,
                                         
                                         about the Step Squad, which is like,
                                         
    
                                         exploring triangular numbers, right?
                                         
                                         Like one plus two plus three plus four plus five,
                                         
                                         where they basically, like one through 10,
                                         
                                         ask like, what are we all added up?
                                         
                                         There's some sort of like Olympic event that it's tied to.
                                         
                                         I forget what the lore,
                                         
                                         what the fiction of the number blocks episode is.
                                         
                                         But then they start adding up like one and two
                                         
    
                                         matched together and make three,
                                         
                                         and then three hops on to make six,
                                         
                                         and then four hops on to make 10.
                                         
                                         And they're like, okay, we have a 10 stack,
                                         
                                         let's start a new stack.
                                         
                                         So five gets in and then six gets in,
                                         
                                         which makes another 10 stack with one leftover.
                                         
                                         So that one hops off to make a new 10 stack.
                                         
    
                                         And then seven hops on.
                                         
                                         And there's songs too.
                                         
                                         There's songs.
                                         
                                         The songs are absolute bangers.
                                         
                                         Each episode has its own song that kind of explores
                                         
                                         what that episode talks about.
                                         
                                         There's one called Peek-A-Boo that really, really,
                                         
                                         Peek-A-Boo that really, really, peek-a-boo, I'm hiding behind you.
                                         
    
                                         And that song is like, it's like, you know,
                                         
                                         two twos can hide behind one four,
                                         
                                         but a five can't fit through the four door.
                                         
                                         It's like comparisons.
                                         
                                         It's exploring the concept of comparisons
                                         
                                         through song and character.
                                         
                                         And it's so fucking brilliant.
                                         
                                         It's so, so smart.
                                         
    
                                         The show's made by Blue Zoo Animation Studio,
                                         
                                         which is based in Essex,
                                         
                                         and they have won like a billion children's BAFTAs
                                         
                                         because they also created letter blocks.
                                         
                                         And letter blocks is sort of a similar concept
                                         
                                         where it's like blocks, but each one represents a letter
                                         
                                         and they get together to make shape.
                                         
                                         It pales in comparison, I think,
                                         
    
                                         to what number blocks is capable.
                                         
                                         Yeah, why is that, I wonder?
                                         
                                         Well, you've seen that before.
                                         
                                         You've seen anthropomorphized letters
                                         
                                         that can get together and make-
                                         
                                         That's true, I guess so.
                                         
                                         You put these letters together and it makes a word.
                                         
                                         That makes sense, right?
                                         
    
                                         We've taught that, we've seen that taught before.
                                         
                                         But having a heist that 12 goes on,
                                         
                                         where, uh-oh, we have to walk across these three wires.
                                         
                                         That's okay, 12 can split into three groups of four,
                                         
                                         but, uh-oh, now it has to walk across six wires.
                                         
                                         That's okay, because 12 can turn into six twos
                                         
                                         to walk across six, it's like insane.
                                         
                                         That's an interesting point, because I think, for me,
                                         
    
                                         math is so much easier to understand visually.
                                         
                                         Whereas as crazy as language is and how inconsistent
                                         
                                         it can be, sometimes you put a bunch of letters together
                                         
                                         and they say different things over and over.
                                         
                                         Visual doesn't always help.
                                         
                                         No, yeah, the letter blocks are doing their best.
                                         
                                         I think number blocks is just incredible.
                                         
                                         I think it is so, so brilliant.
                                         
    
                                         And it is a testament to the quality of the show
                                         
                                         that Gus wants to watch it.
                                         
                                         He does not feel like he's being tricked by it.
                                         
                                         Like he enjoys the songs and the characters
                                         
                                         and the colorful animation and everything.
                                         
                                         I think it is a capital I important television program.
                                         
                                         And I'm very, again, so glad for it because I don't know,
                                         
                                         at least the music is catchy enough that when we hear
                                         
    
                                         peek-a-boo, I'm hiding behind you,
                                         
                                         that it like doesn't get on our nerves after a while
                                         
                                         when we're stuck at home with him for a week.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You have to be careful though,
                                         
                                         there's a lot of fake number blocks products
                                         
                                         and accounts on YouTube.
                                         
                                         Oh, sure, sure.
                                         
    
                                         A lot of times people have recognized the popularity
                                         
                                         and they've created their own version of number blocks
                                         
                                         that is not the real thing.
                                         
                                         There is a detailed number blocks Wiki
                                         
                                         where I found the lyrics to Peek-A-Boo on it,
                                         
                                         but the Wiki goes through each mathematical problem
                                         
                                         that the song addresses and then shows in parentheses
                                         
                                         like comparison or segmentation or whatever.
                                         
    
                                         So the Wiki gets pretty detailed too.
                                         
                                         That's Number Blocks, watch it if you got kids
                                         
                                         or you just need to brush up
                                         
                                         on your basic mathematical understanding.
                                         
                                         Can I steal you away?
                                         
                                         Yes. Thank you.
                                         
                                         Okay. Okay.
                                         
                                         My topic this week is sister cities.
                                         
    
                                         Sister cities.
                                         
                                         What do you know about this?
                                         
                                         I feel like it's one of those pieces of like errata
                                         
                                         that I like looked up at some point,
                                         
                                         like why does that happen?
                                         
                                         Yeah, right?
                                         
                                         I think it was when Cincinnati is like,
                                         
                                         Cincinnati has a crazy sister city, I forget what it is.
                                         
    
                                         I can look it up for you in a second. Yeah, please.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so I guess nothing.
                                         
                                         So what I am talking about specifically
                                         
                                         are the international version
                                         
                                         where you have a different city in a different country
                                         
                                         that is your sister city.
                                         
                                         I will say one of the delightful things
                                         
                                         that I found when I was researching this
                                         
    
                                         is that in Europe,
                                         
                                         they call them town twins.
                                         
                                         That's way better.
                                         
                                         So the first sister city in the US was Toledo, Ohio
                                         
                                         in 1931 entered into a partnership with Toledo, Spain.
                                         
                                         Okay, so that makes a lot of sense.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It started really as a cultural exchange.
                                         
    
                                         President Eisenhower hoped that future world conflicts
                                         
                                         would decrease through the implementation of sister cities.
                                         
                                         It was this idea that people would learn more
                                         
                                         about other communities, they'd enter in student exchanges, business partnerships,
                                         
                                         global cultural exchanges across the world.
                                         
                                         So this idea, especially in that time period,
                                         
                                         you know where it was difficult to really learn
                                         
                                         about other places?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, of course.
                                         
                                         This was kind of a tremendous opportunity.
                                         
                                         There are a huge number.
                                         
                                         Now here's what I will say about Sister Cities.
                                         
                                         I love the concept. I think it's's what I will say about Sister Cities. I love the concept.
                                         
                                         I think it's really fascinating.
                                         
                                         Cincinnati has nine Sister Cities.
                                         
                                         Oh, you cheated.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, I'm sorry.
                                         
                                         I didn't realize you're gonna quiz me on it.
                                         
                                         I should have known.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I wasn't necessarily gonna quiz you.
                                         
                                         I just, I was going to detail you
                                         
                                         with all of the surprising things.
                                         
                                         So that's what I was gonna say.
                                         
                                         Like, I love the concept of it.
                                         
    
                                         I think it was tremendously useful and relevant.
                                         
                                         Now I couldn't tell you,
                                         
                                         like I was surprised by every single one of them.
                                         
                                         Like when I looked at the cities I was familiar with,
                                         
                                         I was like, okay, I don't remember that.
                                         
                                         So like, you know, for example,
                                         
                                         I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri,
                                         
                                         as everyone who listens to this podcast knows.
                                         
    
                                         And if you go to the Wikipedia,
                                         
                                         you can see it organized by state.
                                         
                                         And so when I looked at St. Louis,
                                         
                                         I was like, I wonder if any of these
                                         
                                         will seem familiar to me.
                                         
                                         There are a lot, by the way,
                                         
                                         at least there are in St. Louis.
                                         
                                         There's Bologna in Italy, there's a city in Indonesia.
                                         
    
                                         That's Bologna actually, in the proper Italian.
                                         
                                         there's a city in Indonesia. It's Baloney actually, in the proper Italian.
                                         
                                         Thank you.
                                         
                                         City in Ireland, in France, in Russia, in Mexico, in Japan.
                                         
                                         It's kind of amazing.
                                         
                                         Now, part of the reason I brought this up is I was curious,
                                         
                                         like maybe this is more prevalent in other places.
                                         
                                         So I was gonna ask you about in West Virginia,
                                         
    
                                         if any of this seemed familiar to you.
                                         
                                         Because I know West Virginia, for example,
                                         
                                         has a lot of festivals.
                                         
                                         True.
                                         
                                         So I thought, oh, well, maybe he would be familiar
                                         
                                         with his sister cities,
                                         
                                         because there would be a festival dedicated to that city.
                                         
                                         So I'm not seeing any for Huntington.
                                         
    
                                         I was just about to say, I don't think Huntington has one.
                                         
                                         I think it should be, I think the joke I made on the Mbembem TV show
                                         
                                         about Huntington's sister city is the moon.
                                         
                                         I think should be official.
                                         
                                         I think we should find a way to ratify that.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so there is a city,
                                         
                                         Charleston's sister city is in Slovakia.
                                         
                                         Morgantown has sister cities in Mexico and China.
                                         
    
                                         Princeton, West Virginia? are you familiar with this?
                                         
                                         Sure, it's where the prestigious university is located.
                                         
                                         There's a city in Russia that is associated.
                                         
                                         So the process for getting a sister city.
                                         
                                         I was just thinking about Washington, DC.
                                         
                                         Are we even allowed to have sister cities here?
                                         
                                         Cause it feels like all of them,
                                         
                                         for a city where every nation has embassies represented here,
                                         
    
                                         it feels like we have, we invited all our sisters
                                         
                                         to come live with us, sort of.
                                         
                                         We have like 160 sisters.
                                         
                                         That's a really good point.
                                         
                                         It's difficult, right?
                                         
                                         Because I am seeing Washington state.
                                         
                                         It's hard to look through a list of states
                                         
                                         for our poor forgotten, our forgotten city.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, here we go.
                                         
                                         District of Columbia.
                                         
                                         We have a city in Ethiopia and Turkey and Greece
                                         
                                         and Thailand and China and Belgium and Senegal
                                         
                                         and South Africa and South Korea, El Salvador, and in, in Belgium, in Senegal, in South Africa, in South Korea,
                                         
                                         El Salvador, and in the UK.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         So a lot.
                                         
    
                                         I mean, and so here's, okay, there's a lot to unpack here.
                                         
                                         Yeah, please.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         So back to Eisenhower.
                                         
                                         So in order to establish these relationships, the United States sent a delegation to the
                                         
                                         World Conference of Mayors. the World Conference of Mayors.
                                         
                                         The World Conference of Mayors?
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
    
                                         Do other countries and cities have the same structure
                                         
                                         where they have mayors?
                                         
                                         You know, I can't answer that question.
                                         
                                         I didn't do a...
                                         
                                         Do they have mayors in like China?
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         I don't know how local government works
                                         
                                         basically in our own country.
                                         
    
                                         I do understand how local government works
                                         
                                         in our own country.
                                         
                                         I can't pretend to have any idea
                                         
                                         how it works in any other country.
                                         
                                         There is an organization called Sister Cities International
                                         
                                         that now kind of houses the whole process.
                                         
                                         You can also find out a lot about the history
                                         
                                         of what they do.
                                         
    
                                         I imagine it has to be an agreed upon decision
                                         
                                         by representatives from the two cities.
                                         
                                         You can't just say like, and now Paris is our sister city
                                         
                                         without Paris saying sounds good to me.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so it says a relationship is officially recognized
                                         
                                         after the highest elected or appointed official
                                         
                                         from both communities sign off on an agreement
                                         
                                         to become sister cities.
                                         
    
                                         Okay, so like mayor.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I mean, I think mayor is probably
                                         
                                         the best example for us, but you know,
                                         
                                         they say here, you know, highest elected official.
                                         
                                         So, you know, in some places it wouldn't be mayor.
                                         
                                         What happens is, it used to be, in my research,
                                         
                                         it used to be built around kind of similar,
                                         
                                         like population size, like similar focus on industry.
                                         
    
                                         Some sister cities were developed
                                         
                                         because they shared a enthusiasm for biotechnology
                                         
                                         and they would develop a sister city partnership
                                         
                                         because they had a similar industry.
                                         
                                         That makes sense.
                                         
                                         If you wanna create a new sister city,
                                         
                                         you contact your sister city organization locally.
                                         
                                         Okay, so there's local chapters.
                                         
    
                                         Yes, and a group will contact the mayor
                                         
                                         to see if they're open to the possibility
                                         
                                         of a new relationship.
                                         
                                         This sounds like you're trying to have a sleepover
                                         
                                         with another city.
                                         
                                         My mom said it was okay for me to sleep over with you, Munich.
                                         
                                         There's also something called a friendship city.
                                         
                                         Now that rules.
                                         
    
                                         That's great that there's a less committed version of it.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it is less formal.
                                         
                                         It is often used as a first stage in the relationship.
                                         
                                         And after it is strengthened,
                                         
                                         the partners are sure they want
                                         
                                         to be in a long-term relationship.
                                         
                                         All sisters start as friends.
                                         
                                         I always say that.
                                         
    
                                         I'm not ready to commit to you as a sister city.
                                         
                                         Let's be a friendship city for a while.
                                         
                                         See how it goes. We should call them married cities. And to you as a sister city. Let's be a friendship city for a while. See how it goes.
                                         
                                         We should call them married cities.
                                         
                                         We should, and then you should only get one.
                                         
                                         And you should say, our city is married.
                                         
                                         Our city is married to Munich.
                                         
                                         And because of that, I'm allowed to go there
                                         
    
                                         and I get like, you know, 25% off your hotel fare
                                         
                                         and all that stuff.
                                         
                                         Discounts and subway.
                                         
                                         There should be benefits.
                                         
                                         You should roll up to your sister city.
                                         
                                         Buy one, get one free sandwich.
                                         
                                         And have some people recognize like,
                                         
                                         oh shit, it's someone from Cincinnati, what's up?
                                         
    
                                         So there's a whole, like Sister Cities International
                                         
                                         has a whole structure.
                                         
                                         There are like membership dues.
                                         
                                         There is like access to other benefits as a sister city.
                                         
                                         There are resources and discounts.
                                         
                                         Okay, great.
                                         
                                         But it's like travel insurance.
                                         
                                         I love this concept.
                                         
    
                                         I love the concept in abstract
                                         
                                         and I can see how useful it probably was back in the day.
                                         
                                         But I don't really understand why one would pursue this now
                                         
                                         to pursue the creation of a new pact,
                                         
                                         a new bond between cities.
                                         
                                         So as I mentioned, there are exchanges focused around
                                         
                                         arts and culture, business, community development.
                                         
                                         It's kind of structured depending on what you want
                                         
    
                                         to get out of it.
                                         
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         You know, it can be musical performances, art exhibits.
                                         
                                         It can be, you know, as I mentioned,
                                         
                                         like international travel for exchange students.
                                         
                                         I mean, it's kind of like how DC got all the cherry blossoms
                                         
                                         from Japan.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         When the guy came and visited and was like,
                                         
                                         here's a bunch of,
                                         
                                         I remember seeing this immersive art thing
                                         
                                         and it was in Ireland and I think New York City
                                         
                                         or some other city.
                                         
                                         And it was like a live webcam attached to a big like screen,
                                         
                                         like a portal.
                                         
                                         So you could just see what was happening
                                         
    
                                         on the other side of the planet.
                                         
                                         That would be cool.
                                         
                                         I would love a portal for each city.
                                         
                                         A portal, please, for each city your sister city's with.
                                         
                                         Okay, so you walk into the museum.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         And you enter a room.
                                         
                                         This isn't even a museum, this is like on the city street.
                                         
    
                                         You walk in the streets of Cincinnati,
                                         
                                         you see a portal to Nancy France,
                                         
                                         a city that is a sister city of Cincinnati.
                                         
                                         And maybe the tech isn't here yet.
                                         
                                         You should be able to step through it though
                                         
                                         and be in Nancy France.
                                         
                                         That's too far,
                                         
                                         but having a just sort of constant AV connection.
                                         
    
                                         So you're not suggesting.
                                         
                                         Teleportation. Teleportation. No, because that's not possible, but we should have at least a live web feed from the Sister
                                         
                                         City.
                                         
                                         I don't think that's asking too much.
                                         
                                         So in 2006, they hit their 50th anniversary, Sister Cities International did. So I guess now we're at what, like 70 something.
                                         
                                         Going strong.
                                         
                                         I need the number blocks.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Figure that one.
                                         
                                         It seems like you're trying to figure out
                                         
                                         what's the difference.
                                         
                                         But I just, I think it's really cool.
                                         
                                         Obviously I mentioned like it's a lot easier
                                         
                                         to access information about other countries
                                         
                                         and cultures now that we have the internet
                                         
                                         and all sorts of stuff.
                                         
    
                                         But like, I like the idea of it.
                                         
                                         I like that it still exists.
                                         
                                         I like, if you go look up your sister cities,
                                         
                                         I would be interested to know if some people feel like
                                         
                                         they have more of a connection to their sister city
                                         
                                         than I perhaps do, but I love that it's a thing.
                                         
                                         Yeah, me too.
                                         
                                         Do you wanna know what our friends love that it's things?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Laura G says, my small wonder is headlamps.
                                         
                                         This past summer I got very into solo camping
                                         
                                         and when you're camping by yourself
                                         
                                         there isn't anyone to hold the flashlight for you
                                         
                                         except when you make friends with the raccoons and bears.
                                         
                                         Headlamps make it so you can always have light pointed
                                         
                                         exactly where you want it to go
                                         
    
                                         while leaving all of your hands free for activities.
                                         
                                         Headlamps really are the light of my life.
                                         
                                         I love a headlamp.
                                         
                                         What did you get that for?
                                         
                                         Oh, it was like our attic crawl space situation, right?
                                         
                                         Yes, there was something going on up there.
                                         
                                         With our HVAC unit or something?
                                         
                                         I think it was the roof was leaking
                                         
    
                                         and so I went to, I had a Lowe's trip
                                         
                                         where I went and got like gloves and knee pads
                                         
                                         and a headlamp, like I really decked out,
                                         
                                         like I was some sort of attic warrior.
                                         
                                         But we still use that headlamp.
                                         
                                         It's useful when we're doing like a booger intervention
                                         
                                         on our humble son.
                                         
                                         It is very helpful.
                                         
    
                                         Lucas says, my small wonder is how leftover brownies
                                         
                                         that are crusty and rock hard get soft and gooey again
                                         
                                         with just a few seconds in the microwave.
                                         
                                         A gimme'em crusty and rock hard is what I'm saying.
                                         
                                         I love a corner.
                                         
                                         You are always saying that about everything.
                                         
                                         I love a corner crust.
                                         
                                         Yeah, oh me too.
                                         
    
                                         God, it's so choice.
                                         
                                         The middle's great too.
                                         
                                         I don't eat a lot of brownies these days.
                                         
                                         We used to be brownie people.
                                         
                                         Now we're not.
                                         
                                         We'll get a naughty little cookie
                                         
                                         from a restaurant.
                                         
                                         The boys don't seem particularly,
                                         
    
                                         I mean, they're interested in cosmic brownies.
                                         
                                         They're interested in a brownie goo.
                                         
                                         That is fudge.
                                         
                                         I'll go to the mat for the fact
                                         
                                         that they should call that cosmic fudge.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I think that's what it is.
                                         
                                         They've been confused about what a brownie
                                         
                                         actually should be.
                                         
    
                                         And so now when we try and give them, they're like, this is not a They've been confused about what a brownie actually should be. And so now when we try and give them,
                                         
                                         they're like, this is not a brownie.
                                         
                                         This is not a brownie.
                                         
                                         And it's like, little Debbie has lied to you.
                                         
                                         Thank you for listening.
                                         
                                         Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for the use
                                         
                                         of our theme song, Money Won't Pay.
                                         
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                                         Go to maximumfun.org, check out all the great shows
                                         
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                                         Again, Canal Eights is coming up December 14th at 9 p.m.
                                         
                                         It's pre-made, but we're gonna be streaming it live
                                         
                                         and there's like a whole chat room
                                         
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                                         at the same time and we'll be in that chat too,
                                         
    
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                                         in Fungalore and his ways,
                                         
                                         I would suggest going now before the end of the year.
                                         
                                         And-
                                         
                                         Do you have 2025 like bacon in your head already?
                                         
    
                                         I've had a few sessions where it's like
                                         
                                         inspiration has struck me.
                                         
                                         I don't have, I don't have.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's gonna be hard to follow Fungalore, man.
                                         
                                         Yeah, no, for sure.
                                         
                                         That's sort of, you understand the constant problem of this
                                         
                                         is, hey, make one joke
                                         
                                         that for a whole year is gonna, you're gonna cruise on.
                                         
    
                                         But Fungalore is the first time that you have like
                                         
                                         birthed an entire creature.
                                         
                                         No, it's really, really good.
                                         
                                         Like I'm agreeing with you.
                                         
                                         I don't know how we're gonna do it in 25, but we'll see.
                                         
                                         Anyway, thank you so much for listening.
                                         
                                         We'll be back next week with a new episode.
                                         
                                         So stay tuned and take care of yourself and.
                                         
    
                                         May your days be merry and bright.
                                         
                                         I guess, probably not bright, like bright.
                                         
                                         I could marry, yes, bright I could give or take.
                                         
                                         Like I don't want it to be too bright, you know?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I don't want there to be like a glare,
                                         
                                         like super bright, like headlights
                                         
                                         from like a big truck behind you on that,
                                         
    
                                         that's too bright, you know what I mean?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         What's the deal with these headlights? Money won't pay, working on pay. Money won't pay, working on pay.
                                         
                                         Money won't pay, working on pay.
                                         
                                         Money won't pay, working on pay.
                                         
                                         Money won't pay, working on pay. Hey!
                                         
