Wonderful! - Wonderful! 376: The Big Lady Theory

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Griffin's favorite specifically nostalgic way of relaxing! Rachel's favorite unanimous audience reaction!Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoyaTransgender Law Center: https://transgenderlawcenter.org/

["The Wicked Man's Theme Song"] Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hello, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is wonderful. Behind the scenes, no preamble to this one. Literally just like come on into the studio, we sit down and we're ripping.

And I like that. You know, like we talk to each other all the time. We're deeply in love, lovers, husband, wife, like doing it like all the time. The listeners might be surprised to know that we talk to each other all the time. We talk to each other a lot, but this time sit, plop, plop our keesters down,

and we get on the mics, and we stand on our business. Well, you know, save it for the show. That's true. Like you just added something to our shared grocery list. I don't know what it is, and now it's content. I can ask you, what was it? Hey, it's coffee creamer. We do need coffee creamer.

I don't know if I go through that shit at a normal rate, or if it is slightly accelerated. Well, you do have three cups of coffee a day. I drink three cups of coffee a day. That doesn't seem like a lot to me. That seems like a normal amount for a coffee drinker, but I am putting quite a bit of this creamy stuff. And you're the only one that drinks it.

And I'm the only, well, yeah, babe, it's just me and you in the house that drink coffee. Our kids aren't gasping for coffee creamer. I guess that's true. I guess our children don't add coffee creamer to their cereal. But I do rip through this stuff. One day I'll be like, we're set, we're good.

And then the next day I'll be like, oops, I'm ripping. I'm ripping right through it. So I did put coffee creamer up on the list. And now we just got like a minute. And that's fucking a minute of content, baby. It's so easy. This job is just our life and that's it. Do you have any small one-d's to start things off

on the right foot? I'm just looking at your eyelashes and they're just amazing. Thank you, babe. A lot of people look at Griffin McElroy and they say, is he wearing eye makeup? And the answer is no. Hate that shit.

He just has very luscious, dark eyelashes. Always, my least favorite part of doing plays and shit when I was a kid was the stage makeup, not for any sort of fragile masculinity reasons, but for I don't like, it's crazy that a pencil gets that close to my eyeball. It's crazy you put a pencil that close to your eyeball and then you have a little special brush

that goes also pretty close to the eyeball as well. A lot of eyeball business, not crazy about it. Were you like, hey, I don't need it. Have you seen these peepers? And then you would like bat them a few times? Well, they hadn't come in yet. These were very much a- Oh, the lashes was post puberty?

Yeah, these are basically pubes. You get hair in surprising places. Uh-huh, and sometimes it's extra hair around the eyes. And it's a gift and a curse. Sometimes they bat up against my glasses. They bust out, they get stuck in my eyes and they're wiry, aren't they? Thick and wiry.

I was gonna maybe think about doing this for a big segment, but I also decided that that would be maybe too much to listen to. Related, I'm gonna say when about doing this for a big segment, but I also decided that that would be maybe too much to listen to related. I'm gonna say when Rachel cuts my eyebrows, not my eyelashes. Those are pretty hands off as discussed earlier, but my eyebrows are one of those things that I don't pay

any attention to at all. I don't notice when they've gone too wild, except in rare scenarios where I'll catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror and I have some real Peter Gallagher wise old owl shit going on. And Rachel will kindly get a little brush and little scissors and fix me up. And I like it, it's intimate.

It's intimate, it's a moment of vulnerability to let you put scissors that close to my eyes, as I've discussed, I'm pretty sensitive about that stuff. And it makes me look better at the end. I always think I look nice. At one time or another, I got one of those little eyebrow pencil things that comes with the little eyebrow brush on one end.

Interesting. And that is necessary on one end. Interesting. And that is necessary for eyebrow trimming. Yeah. You kind of like, you brush against the grain and then you can really see where those long ones are. Right. And then it's easy to do a little trim. I appreciate it.

I do not think of that stuff for myself. I used to ask my barber to deal with it for me, but it's never top of mind. My barber- Well, I think they used to bring it up, didn't they? Yeah, the big problem is I get along really well with the barber that I've seen now like a half dozen times or so,

and we'll be talking about Korean reality competition shows. And yeah, and it'll completely slip my mind to ask about the eyebrows. I thought it was like you were so friendly now that it felt like inappropriate, like demeaning in some way, like while you're- No, no, it's not. While you're cutting things on my head, could you-

No, it's like if we get into a heated discussion about Siren Survived the Island, I'm so excited to be talking about that, that I will forget entirely about the purpose of the hair maintenance exercise. I go first this week. I would like to talk to you about cooking toys. I've been struggling with some, let's say,

grind set related insomnia lately, which has sent me, dipping back into some of my old sort of ASMR standbys, some of my reliable classics, the issue is that my algo has been blended with Gus's because I believe it is my account that is on the iPad that he uses to watch YouTube sometimes. And so now that algo is less like, you know, here's an old man talking about building some old

machine in a very calming voice. And instead it's toy based ASMR. Um, one of these sort of wild alleys that I went down was a YouTube channel just as ASMR videos of them playing with old food making play sets. And I'm not just talking about your Easy Bake Ovens. of them playing with old food making play sets. And I'm not just talking about your Easy Bake Ovens, they do definitely touch on that sometimes. Not just that, because it feels like we've talked about Easy Bake Ovens on this program before.

I feel like we've had a discussion about the act of cooking a thing with a light bulb before. Maybe I am mistaken. Maybe, it's not something I have any experience with, but it's possible that you have talked about it. It is something I have experience with to the extent that the 90s were this golden era of play sets that allowed you to make

vaguely edible food stuffs. And that is the specialty of this whole ASMR video. I'm talking about your Dr. Dreadful's food lab Or drink lab. I believe there was a spinoff. I had the food lab which basically let you make some of the gnarliest fucking foamy Gummyist I do Candy, I remember those commercials. I never knew anybody that had that set but I remember the commercial vividly I did I remember making, it came with a little plastic skull

and you would mix this powder and I think just water in it and it would foam up and then the foam would sort of congeal a little bit to make a sort of gummy foamy brain. And it was so bad, it was so bad, it was not good food, even a little bit at all, but I made it and so that's very exciting.

There was, speaking of Dr. Dreadful, there was this weird sort of bent of like nasty, edible toy play sets designed specifically for boys, like to appeal to boys. Yes, I remember this. I always found sort of like, I don't know, condescending as a young man who was not interested in yucky stuff, generally speaking. Can I tell you something though?

Like as somebody who started hanging out with a gentleman in middle school, it did seem like when I would sit with them in the lunch room, they would take the remains of everybody's lunch and try and put them into one milk carton. That did seem to happen every lunchtime. Yeah, and then we did this all the way up to high school, but in high school there was always a monetary incentive,

like we'll give you a dollar. So that does seem like you guys did like gross time. I didn't like that shit. I was present when it was happening. I would never, ever, ever go for that. That's what I'm saying is like, I get like, sure, right? Like I understand the appeal of it. I enjoyed my Dr. Dreadful's food lab,

mostly for the scientific applications of it. Unless like I'm a yucky fucking necromancer, nasty fucking slime ball who's gonna eat ball, who's gonna eat shit, who's gonna eat dirty pig shit. That always sort of turned me off, but it was a big thing. In 2002, Hasbro released a playset called the Queasy Bake Oven, which was basically

a nasty easy bake oven with recipes like chocolate, crud cake, mucky mud, bugs and worms, delicious dirt, crunchy dog bones, cool drool, and foaming drool eruptor. So that's fucking gross, man. That was never my jam, but it did. But like, it probably like, tasted good though, right? I mean, it was my experience that Easy Bake, I think Travis had an Easy Bake Oven,

and it was, because they did make a sort of less gender targeted model of the Easy Bake Oven, neutral toned Easy Bake Oven, sometime in the 90s. Travis had one, and you could make some pretty basic. It's like when they would do a mud cake situation and it was just like chocolate with gummy worms. It was still yummy. It just had a gross.

It's hard to fuck that up. Dr. Dreadful was a different thing entirely. That was nasty by design. The gold standard of what I'd like to talk about today and the kind of rabbit hole of this ASMR channel that I went down is a set of toys released in 1993 called McDonald's Happy Meal Magic. Are you familiar with any of these sets?

Is this like Play-Doh stuff? No, this is food. I'm exclusively talking about toys that let you actually make food, food, sort of. Oh, I think you've told me about this before. Yeah, so McDonald's made a set of these. They were like a half. When you made like little bread fries or something?

Yes, I'll talk about the bread fries in detail in a minute because that was my favorite of the list. But came out in 1993, they were like the hottest thing on like the Toys R Us toy catalog, like Christmas list. I knew a lot of people who got these and they basically allowed you to create these very crude simulations of McDonald's food using ingredients you had around the house. That part was very boldly advertised on the front of like the product boxes of these sets, like use stuff you've already got, don't worry parents.

You're not gonna have to like shell out for additional, you know, mix or whatever. All of these things you had used with stuff that you probably have around the house. And you would take those ingredients and you would cut them into sort of food shapes and lightly prepare them with these Toy McDonald's workstations.

There was a McNugget maker where you would cut nug shapes out of bread and then you would put them in a fryer basket, which was basically like a little tub that you'd put honey into and then you would scoop them into a little tray that you would press a button and it would shake them around the tray

and you would fill the tray with like crushed up cornflakes. And so you would get these tiny little sticky bread balls with corn flakes on them, and then it came with a little McNugget serving box, which would get pretty gooey after a single use, but it allowed you to live your dream of preparing actual McNuggets at McDonald's. There was a hamburger maker, which was particularly foul

because you would mold patties out of Nesquik and peanut butter and cereal into these sort of patty shapes. And then you would put them on buns, which were two Nilla wafers essentially, and then top them with ketchup and mustard frosting. And then they had these little cutouts for fruit roll-ups to make them look like pickles and tomatoes. And so imagine eating all of that together.

In one big way. This is not stuff you had around the house. That is true. Maybe if you were like someone's rich friend, like I had a rich friend who definitely always had fruit roll-ups around. Yeah. And going to visit his house was always pretty dope.

So like maybe he had the hamburger maker. And just like frosting just all the time. Yeah. There was a shake maker, which had like a sort of rudimentary kind of like ice cream maker, like contraption where you would put ice and then on the inside you would mix like milk

and essentially jello pudding mix. And then it would turn it into sort of a, you know, vanilla slurry or something like that. That was probably the closest of the, like that's kind of a shake that you're making. I think there's a Ryan's World video where they do these. That sounds right to me. They made, there's also a soda fountain,

which was kind of weird, because it's like you just put high C in a machine and then you would pour it into a cup. Yeah, okay. The one I had, the one that you mentioned was the French fry maker. And that was the one I got for Christmas one year, in 93. And I felt like Prometheus stealing fire from the gods.

And then I actually like used it and it's not French fries. Like it came with this little plastic square that you would punch into a piece of white bread and then you would get. Can I ask how old you were? Do you remember? 93. I mean, I was six years old, seven years old, somewhere in there.

You would cut out this little square of bread and then you would feed it through this hand cranked, essentially bread shredder to turn it into strips of bread, which you would then put into a little plastic like french fry box and then sprinkle it with cinnamon and sugar and then you're done. That's it, that's the end of the process. It's a pretty quick process. Was it french fries and sugar, and then you're done. That's it, that's the end of the process.

It's a pretty quick process. Was it French fries? No, absolutely not. Did I use it a lot? I did, because I felt like I had seized the means of Happy Meal production, and that was a very, very empowering feeling. Another reason I kind of wanted to talk about this

is like Henry has never been especially interested in cooking, but Gus has taken on kind of an interest in it. Like if you're making something in the kitchen, he wants to be involved. Henry said he wanted an omelet out of nowhere yesterday. And so him and Gus both came in and Gus like really wanted to crack the eggs and help me whisk it and do all that stuff.

And he gets like really, really interested in it because I think there's something very powerful about feeling like I can do this thing. I can do this thing that I have to do to some extent. I have to provide nourishment and nutrients to my body. And now I can kind of do that. And these toys, you're not making actual McDonald's. You're not making like great stuff. You're not going through, you're not cutting anything.

There's a lot of steps in the food prep process that you are vaulting over entirely, but you are still making something that you can eat. And there's an excitement to that. That is the very same excitement that you get as an adult when you make food for yourself or your loved ones. And then you get to eat that. That is always a really satisfying feeling. And there's a way of capturing a very real version of that with these types of play sets when you're a kid. I don't think it's as big a thing anymore.

There's obviously a big, there's a lot of retail shelf space assigned for like, make your own slime or bracelets or whatever. Lunchables are still kind of a thing though. And I recognize that that is just usually like, opening a thing and squeezing it and stacking. Sure, I guess it's a smaller version of this experience. Yeah, but the idea is kind of the same. The idea is kind of the same.

I do think that there is something kind of magical about like, here is a tiny McNugget fryer. And there is something in there that I think is very cool. And I would not be surprised to find out like, people who grew up to have aspirations of being a chef at some point crossed paths with like a playset like this. It is also when you're trying to fall asleep, pretty chill to watch somebody make like a play set like this. It is also when you're trying to fall asleep, pretty chill to watch somebody make like a tiny little chicken McNugget

and like an old toy that you used to have. There is a nostalgia factor to that as well. But yeah, I think it's a neat sort of subset of toys. And that's why I talked about it today. The end. I was happy. Incredible. The end. I was happy. Incredible. Thanks. Can I steal your way?

Yes. Cool. Okay. My topic this week is the standing ovation. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Good one. I love these things. I love these things.

I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. I love these things. My topic this week is the standing ovation. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Good one.

I love these things. Sure, being a part of it or a recipient of it? I mean, kind of being a part of one. I mean, I don't do a lot of performing. So like, and when I do, it's opening for your show. You don't get a lot of standing ovations. I don't think I've ever got, I don't think we've ever got the standing ovations

for any of our shows. I think you have. I feel like people stand up at the end. Do they? You guys don't hang around a lot. No, we do zoom out. We do zoom out of there. Like, and that's something I talk a little bit about.

Like a standing ovation kind of necessitates like a willing audience. Receiving it, yeah, of course. But I like being a part of one too. Yeah. Like the experience of going to, particularly like going to a live performance and like the actors are in front of you on the stage

and you are able to stand up and receive them. And you've been in this kind of community of people watching the show, and you've like all experienced something together, and now you are like all standing up recognizing these performers, and you are seeing their faces, and I don't know, it just feels really nice.

It feels like this moment of like kind of unity and appreciation, and I don't know, I really like it. I do too. I think it's like a nice tradition. And yeah, and I wanted to talk a little bit about it. I'm gonna talk about it a little bit in the context of theater, but also in film,

specifically in like the film festival environment. Are you gonna talk about the history of clapping? Cause I don't know. No. That is something I am also curious about who the first person was like, whoa, that felt good when you did that to me. I wouldn't even know how to research that.

Yeah. What did they do before? Like, what was the thing? Just like screaming. I think probably a lot of hollering. Ah! Yeah. What did they do before? Like, what was the thing? Just like scream. There was probably a lot of hollering. Just, ah! Yeah, stamping. I'm sure there was, there was stomping and stamping.

Yeah. Ho ho, ho ho! Maybe some knee slapping. Yeah, sure. It's like in 1776, they would just kind of like pound their canes on the table or whatever. Maybe some belly patting. Some, that's good.

You could do that for a good meal. Stand up and just pat your tummy real fast. Let's normalize that, America. America. Let's get together on something, America. Patting our tummies after a good meal, standing up and giving a standing tummy ovation, please. The reason this came to mind, so recently

there was a bunch of articles about like Sundance and these like standing ovations that are happening after films are premiering or at like Cannes Film Festival, like all this stuff. How confident do you feel saying Cannes in that way? Could you read it from how I just said it? And this is not a judgment. I also, I am also there with you. I've never said that word out loud and felt good about it. I said it at the level of confidence. I said it in a way that I hoped I could only say

at that one time and then you wouldn't acknowledge it. They went there during love offline love, which we finished and I feel like it was a little bit more calm, a little more calm. Calm. Calm. Calm. I feel like it should be can. Okay, which we finished. And I feel like it was a little bit more calm. Little more calm. Calm. Calm. Calm. I feel like it should be calm.

Okay, I like it. You also are a little bit sick. So you could write it off and be like, if it sounds weird, I'm sick. I have no such excuse. Anyway, the film festival that takes place in France. Yeah, yeah. A lot of credit has been given to the length of the ovation.

Of course. A lot of people are tracking it as if that means something in particular. Yeah. But I wanted to start with the theater. There was an article in the New York Times in 2003 that talked about kind of the rise of the standing ovation and how more often than not it is happening regularly

at a like a Broadway performance now. Yeah, I think so. And there is kind of a hypothesis that it started in the 1950s and they kind of give My Fair Lady as an example. Oh man. As one of those musicals that really kind of brought this level of like decadence.

So they interviewed this musical scholar named Ethan Morden who came up with what he called the Big Lady Theory. And he said that- I'm gonna just Google that real quick. Previously. Whoa. It's a very, oh man, it's a parody of Big Bang Theory that is too hot for TV.

It was previously, so music left barely any time for the cast to bow during a curtain call. However, when musicals evolved to showcase a star performer, think Carol Channing and Hello Dolly, the production was staged to accommodate a longer bow. The whole curtain call is built to a climax. The ensemble bows and sings, the male leads bow and supporting women, everything builds

and builds and builds. And then when everyone's attention is focused, the star comes out in her 37th Bob Mackie gown of the evening. By that point, you have no choice but to get to your feet. Yeah. I also read this suggestion that there are some productions that kind of lead you in that direction.

So apparently in Mamma Mia, the last number is one for the whole audience to kind of get up and dance. And so you're kind of like- They trick you into it. Already on your feet, which I kind of get up and dance. And so you're kind of like- They trick you into it. Already on your feet, which I kind of love. And there's also the kind of standing ovation that you will see at like a ceremony like the Oscars. Yeah.

This was wild to me. So Charlie Chaplin was given an honorary award and received a 12 minute standing ovation. Which is the longest in the award ceremony history. Yeah. Well, yeah, man. That's like, there's no way you could get away with that now. What year do you think it was?

That Charlie Chaplin received that? Yeah. Gosh, I bet you're asking me because it's later than I would think. Yes, exactly. 1971. God, you're so good at this. Yes, exactly. 1971. God, you're so good at this. What is it? 1972.

Oh, man. That's amazing. Thanks. I figured, dude. He would beefed it way, way before that, yeah man. He is. Yeah. I was thinking like silent film.

Yeah. Must have ended. I mean, he must have been wicked old. He must have been wicked old. He must have been wicked old. Super duper duper duper old. When you cheat death as many times as he did, death kind of stops coming for you, huh? And it lets you get super old.

Anyway, so this 12 minute standing ovation. So at these film festivals, this is kind of par for the course. There are a lot of these kind of lengthy ovations happening. And the suggestion is that you do kind of have to create a environment for it. Yeah. But that some filmmakers will kind of have to create a environment for it. Yeah. But that some filmmakers will kind of

create a situation where that is not as possible. So there are industry outlets like Deadline, Variety, Hollywood Reporter that will use that as like kind of a spectacle and kind of suggest like, oh, this one got a nine minute ovation, and this one got a 12 minute, and this one got a 19 minute ovation, kind of suggesting like, this is a better movie. Yeah.

But then there are certain directors like, there are certain directors like Bong Joon-Ho and Wes Anderson who are kind of notoriously uncomfortable for letting it go on for too long, that will kind of like silence people or like begin speaking in a way that will cut off the length of the ovation. It seems so, as someone on way outside, cinema has never been my area of expertise at all. It seems so wild, so stuffy and really feeding this

appearance of being a super self-involved artistic field, generally speaking, the idea of standing there and just letting 19 fucking minutes of clapping happen at you seems like a lot, my dude. Seems like so much. Apparently Christopher McQuarrie, when Mission Impossible, the most recent one, my dude, seems like so much. Apparently Christopher McQuarrie, when Mission Impossible, the most recent one, premiered, they were clapping, he grabbed a microphone,

paid tribute to the cast, and then led them out of the theater. Hell yes. So yeah, so again, it's not- I'm not against people receiving credit and accolades for the work that they do. It's just when it reaches that point, it feels like the 19 minutes of applause

is kind of a performance in and of itself a little bit, it seems like to me, but I've never been to conk, so. Oh, is that how you're gonna say it? I'm just trying a lot of different ways so that if I accidentally do it right once, that'll be the. Kin. Kin.

Kinburns. Kin's Film Festival. Kinburns Film. There's some psychology to it, obviously, like in like a theater environment. You know, for example, you don't wanna be the only person sitting down. Yeah.

Which that definitely has happened to me before. Yeah. At like a show that I was kinda like whatever about. Yeah. Like everybody's standing up and you're like, oh, okay. Well, you didn't grow up going to church. Because at church, this is also a thing,

if people like get into it, you can't be like the only one on the pew with your ass down. Like you gotta get up and and feel it and move too. There's also a theory that the cost going up had something to do to it. Apparently the playwright Arthur Miller said, I guess the audience just feels having paid $75 to sit down is their time to stand up.

I don't mean to be a cynic, but it probably all changed when the price went up. Hey, yeah, maybe. There's a theater cricketer, a theater cricket. Well, hi there. I notice you're putting on a production of South Pacific. My goodness, this show hasn't aged very well. John Lahr, the theater critic for the New Yorker magazine thinks it is a kind of attempt

at like self-hypnosis. He said, they think if they go to a show and stand at the end, they've had a good time. They're trying to give themselves the experience they thought they should have. Man, this is a pretty cynical kind of field, it seems like. I know. I fully understand. I don't see a lot of performances. This is a pretty cynical kind of field it seems like.

I fully understand. I don't see a lot of performances. I imagine if you're going all the time and you see something that you're kind of lukewarm about, you are probably genuinely surprised. Yeah, no, I understand how you get that way. Hopping up. But yeah, I think for me,

it does feel like a really nice way to show appreciation to the performers. Yeah. You know, a lot of performances that we've seen have particularly emotional endings. Yeah. And so the performers will come out kind of still in that space.

Right. And you feel like, oh my gosh, you know? How vulnerable and sensitive of them to give so much of themselves. And the least I can do is get out of my chair. Yeah, sure. And clap. And I like being a part of it too, because it's like when you feel the vibe of like,

are we standing guys? Guys, it seems like we're about to stand. Oh, we're standing! That is always a fun little tipping point. Yeah, I think sometimes when you go to a lecture or something, when you go to an environment where maybe people aren't gonna stand, it does also feel kind of nice to be among the first person.

Maybe not the first person. I don't know that I'd ever be the first person. But it's kind of nice to be among the first person. Can you imagine being the first person to stand up and no one else does? And they all look at you like, wow, teacher's pet. It's a real dead poet society, like, oh, captain, my captain moment.

If only one of the kids had stood up and everyone looked around and was like, who's this asshole? Get off your fucking desk, man. I do appreciate in that film that not everybody stands up. Sure. It's very realistic. Yeah.

Do you wanna know what our friends at home are talking about? Yes. Okay, well here it comes. We got one here and it is from Mason who says, hey Griffin and Rachel, my small wonder is the smell of a campfire that lingers on your sweater after roasting s'mores on a cool summer night. Oh my gosh.

We did so many fire pits back in the day. Oh man, tell me about it. I would have a lot of those smells. Yeah, I don't think, are we allowed to do that here? We've never, I don't know why, I mean, we have a four year old and the idea of a low open fire doesn't seem great, but. I've smelled it.

You smelled it? I was gonna smell it. Hey, hey, you smelled it? I smelled it. Nice dude. Joe says, my small wonder is watching the fish in the pond in the park. There's a beautiful pond in the park near my house

and it's full of small fish. It's so fun and peaceful to sit there and watch those little guys do their thing. Do you like that? Love a koi pond? Yeah. Love a restaurant on water where you can look down and see a turtle or something?

We have not yet been to the botanical garden scene here. I wonder if they've got- We did. We went to the botanical gardens once. They had a train. They had a choo choo train. Here? Yeah, here. They once. They had a train, they had a choo choo train. Here? Yeah, here, they had the choo choo train,

the Christmas choo choo train. You remember? You got a little succulent, Henry got a little cactus, and they had a choo choo train. Oh, well what am I thinking? I'm thinking of the arboretum, we haven't been to the arboretum. No, we haven't been to that. Did they have a choo choo train,

did they have a Christmas choo choo train? Did the botanical garden have fish? I think they did, right? They had so many plants, they had probably a fish or two in there somewhere. Yeah. So anyway, that's it. Thanks so much for listening.

Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for these for our theme song, Money Won't Pay. You can find a link to that in the episode description. We got some merch over at McRoyMerch.com for you to check out some live shows of Mbembem and Taz coming up. Go to bit.ly slash McRoy Tours for more information. We're coming to California and Texas and a bunch of other places. of MbemBem and Taz coming up. Go to bit.ly slash McRoy Tours for more information. We're coming to California and Texas

and a bunch of other places. We're gonna be in Columbus, I think, in just a couple of weeks for a game convention up there. Again, bit.ly slash McRoy Tours for all that. This I think is okay to announce here because I believe by the time this episode goes up, it will be live. We are about to start a new season of the Adventure Zone.

And it is one that I am very, very excited about. I'm running it. It's Dungeons and Dragons, fifth edition. And it's called Taz Royale. It is a season that is a, it's a battle royale. And it's got 64 wizards in it. And it is, there can be only one wizard winner. And so it's an all wizardards in it. And there can be only one wizard winner.

And so it's an all wizard season of Dungeons and Dragons and our show. And we've done a few episodes already and it's been a fucking hoot and I think you guys are really gonna like it. It's gonna be so good. So that starts, I believe, very, very soon. I believe on June 6th, I wanna say.

Griffin spent so much time just naming wizards. I came up with, I mean, 63 wizard names because the other three came from, from Juice and Trav and Dad, but it was very fun coming up with 63 wizards. It was a great little creative exercise. Yeah. So yeah, that's going to start very, very soon.

So it's a great time to hop on board. That's it. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week with a new episode of Wonderful. Until then, au revoir. Con. Okay. Au revoir to all our fans. See you. See you in Ken.

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