Wonderful! - Wonderful! 385: Who's My Big Honey Guy

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Rachel's favorite experience-documenting poet! Griffin's favorite breathtakingly evocative folk musician!Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoyaWorld Central Kitchen: https://wck.org/

Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hey, this is Griffin McRoy. This is wonderful. This is wonderful. This is a podcast where we... This is a podcast. This is a podcast. This is a podcast where we...

Where we, Griffin and Rachel Magroy, talk with our mouths, about things we like. Yeah. Our preferences. Shit that's a good movie, two beats show, music, whatever. Things that we're into. And that's real shit. Yes. Sometimes we catch ourselves.

We're like, I'm about to talk about some shit that I'm not into. And we're like, stop. We stop this show. Or we put it off a day. We say, hey, Griffin, I have been researching garden hoses and I'm realizing maybe we shouldn't record. And I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for realizing it's tough sometimes to do a world smallest. It's an average size violin. It's tough sometimes to do a podcast about how great stuff is. Yeah. And sometimes you really stretch. And Rachel King was like, I'm looking up garden

hoses. I'm spinning out. And we were like, let's push. Let's push. And I think it's the right choice. Yeah. I will make that my small wonder. Is garden hoses? Why not? You did the resourge. well and it turns out you don't really need research yeah it's a hose I mean here's the thing though a small son has discovered he loves a hose and God Almighty it's so much easier than like filling up a whole pool or doing a bunch of other garbage outside hose connected turn it on

it's ready it's ready to party yeah yeah sometimes he realizes hey you know what it sometimes it's more fun to just play with the hose and I'm like go for it man love that spray so good taste different too doesn't it yeah i i think now it's common knowledge you're not supposed to drink it who hasn't but i used to just chug it i mean i used to just kind of put it in my mouth turn it on open the glottis and just like become an extension of the hose a special kind of refreshing it was a naughty leaden kind

I'll say for my small draft, we just started watching a show called Final Draft. Did you say for my small draft? Did I say that? I have Final Draft on the brain. Yeah. I'm deep in book mode, and so I have drafts sort of front and center, and now we're watching the show called Final Draft. It is, stop me. If you've heard this one before, a Japanese reality competition athletic show.

Thank you to my dad, David Weiner. Thanks, David Winer, plugged in. Instantly, the day it went up, knew that we would be into this show, and we are, in fact. Clutch. Got it. Got it in one. You've got us pegged, man. It is not too dissimilar from physical 100, except the cast is much smaller. There's like 24 of them or something like that when they start. And the whole premise of the show is that they are all retired athletes, except for one, who is currently, I believe, a baseball player and a very lazy man, which is weird to see him on this show. I mean, some of them are towards the end of their career. Yes. But yeah, most of them are in their like mid to late 30s and have either like recently retired or don't compete at the same level they used to compete at.

And they do athletic challenges like in Physical 100. Like, hey, climb this big tall mountain. Or there's one where they had to just do crunches on an apparatus called the Crunch Pit. The Crunch Pit, which Rachel really enjoyed until they physically couldn't do it anymore. It just looked like a bunch of slides that all. all met together at the top, and they would all suspend themselves from the top of the slide. So when they stopped doing sit-ups, they just...

Yeah, they just slid right down. Very satisfying. Very satisfying to watch. One of the contestants looked familiar to Griffin. Yes, I clocked this dude. I was like, he's been on a show we've watched before. It was incredible. We had seen this man on camera all of like 10 seconds.

Yeah, but I clocked him because he's from a show we just watched, which is offline love. There was a guy named At Sushi, who ended up being kind of the best. best guy from the season, I think. Like, just kind of the most solid dude of the season. Yeah, like the least problematic, maybe. And the most enjoyable. And him and he found romance.

I wonder if they're still together. I hope so. And they found romance and niece. And here he is finding, you know, a career. Romance with fitness. Romance with fitness. He's fucking crushing. He's an absolute maniac.

He is a water polo player. Yeah. And he, like many of the athletes on the show, really wants to positively represent water polo players. I love this when it's like, I've got to set a good example for the highlight community and let people know that we are here. And it's our turn. Very strong.

Anyway, we're only like an episode or two deep, but it's good. It's scratching that physical 100-ish. I can't get enough shows about people demonstrating their athleticism in a non-traditional competitive environment. That's my shit. That's all I want. Football? No thanks.

football players doing push-ups on a big stage that looks like a child's playground? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it's refreshing, too, because you don't have to learn a lot of rules. It's not difficult to follow. It's just like, hey, do this hard thing for a long time. Love it. And like, I know what that is. And you watch it, you're like, this is going to be boring.

They have to do one sit-up every five seconds of they're eliminated. This is going to be super-duper boring. But then when you see them struggling, it's like, oh, never mind. Now I get it. Pushing people to their breaking points. And they're all just so genuinely impressed with each other. Yeah, a lot of support. Like a lot of this, I'm a boxer, and this is like a legendary older boxer who has like back problems.

And I'm going to impress him by doing so good at my athleticism. Very sweet, very good. Again, two episodes in, it could get nasty. That's the caveat we have to put on all these. You go first this week. What would you like to talk about? I know it ain't going to be hoses. So it's got to clear that.

bar. You know, Griffin went in doubt. Oh, yeah, I know just where we're going, baby. I, I turn to a familiar place. Yeah, baby, we got to go there. And that place is the poetry corner. Doon, do, do, do, do, do, dun, den, the beetle juice, beetles, beetles, beetle juice. I kind of turned into beetle juice. I mean, it turned into beetle juice at the beginning. You know what? It's not like Fraser makes a lot of sense. No, it doesn't. So why not turn to Beatlejuice. What a, that's the theme to beautele juice. Oh, the Beetlejuice.

Okay, you did it in kind of a Ray Ramana voice. Deborah, Deborah, Deborah, Beatlejuice is back again. So I had a moment where I was like, is this, everybody loves Raymond. Yeah. Are we switching? We died. From what? Deborah, we're dead and now we're in the underworld, Deborah.

I'm wondering if this is the first time that America has gotten to hear. hear your incredible Ray Romano impression. Probably not. I've been doing it on Mbimbam for at least 11 to 12 years. Yeah, I mean, early in the days when Ray, let's say, had a little bit more cultural relevance. When more people loved him, perhaps? Yes. By which you mean his show was maybe still even on the air or within a decade of it.

It's definitely still in syndication, right? Yeah, but I don't think people have watched that. I have watched a lot of that show in syndication, by the way. Of course. Of course. But we're the last generation, I think, to do that. The idea of watching a very, very old television show that's on sometimes is frankly unfucking thinkable.

No, that's true. That you don't have complete control over when you watch this ancient television program. Yeah, I don't even know what platform it would be on, but great performances. Great. Have you watched it? Everybody loves Raymond? Brad Garrett. When I hold the scale of times you've watched, everybody loves Raymond and one.

hand and Frazier and the other, which side is heavier? And you got King of Queens balanced on your butt cheeks. Well, I've never seen King of Queens, so I can't participate in that conversation. It's like a New Jersey. Everybody Loves Raymond. Have you watched much? I think I've probably watched more. Fraser was always too much for me as a child. I didn't understand it with my childish ways. I only came to it, but everybody loves Raymond. That's a crowd pleaser across all the verticals. Now, Frage all day. especially, especially once I found out about Kelsey Grammer's politics. I haven't answered my question, though.

Have you watched much more? Raymond. Yeah, I've watched quite a bit of everybody loves Raymond. Okay. Yeah. That's all I wanted to know. But really, you've seen one of them, you've seen them all. It's not like Roseanne where there's like all of a sudden one arc, like one season.

It's just like Ray is on his deathbed and he's having like a vision of. With Raymond, it's right there in the title. You know by the end of the episode, most people will have loved Raymond. And I sometimes wish him and. Chris had gotten together and kind of just like balanced out been become like love neutral you know because there was a show everybody hates Chris oh and and now they think about those two shows were very much in conversation with each other you were going to talk about poetry 10 minutes ago yeah it was I was have you had this tea yet it's still very hot it's I'm dangerously balancing

it on my leg right now so you know it's too hot it smells spicy well what what tea are we drinking tea. It's the ginger peach tea you picked out, my love. Oh my God. I'm so excited. I can't wait to make loud tea drinking noise. Oh, we're going to, by the B segment, we're going to be slurping like hogs. So who are we talking about today? The poet we are discussing this week is Richard Sicken. It is a poet that I was not familiar with until this week. But gosh, my timing is incredible because he has a new book coming out literally in. next week. Fuck yeah, babe.

And after reading some of his poems this week, I went ahead and pre-ordered it. Awesome. Because I am already a huge fan. Did you get those pre-order bonuses? I don't know what that means. You get extra poems if you pre-order it. You get like different fonts. You get little box tops to get free.

Stickers you can put on the cover so you make it look different. No, I don't think so. But I mean, who knows when my package arrives. Yes, we'll see. Yeah, it comes out. The new book is called I Do Know Some Things, and it's said to be published August 26th. Oh, okay. So a week from the day we're recording it.

Awesome. Richard Sicken. So he has published, after this new one comes out, he will have published only three books of poetry. His first book came out in 2005. It was called Crush, and it won the Yale series. of Younger Poets Competition. That sounds good. In 2004.

And he has made comments about how he only publishes a book of poetry every 10 years, and he has held true to that. His second didn't come out until 2015. And now this next one is coming out in 2025. I fucking love it, man. There's lots of people that turn out lots of stuff. If it takes you 10 years to put out a dope bundle, then keep it. And then drop it when you're ready, baby.

I'm in no rush. he is widely published he currently lives in Tucson Arizona the publishing capital of the Southwest he's gotten a fellowship from the National Endowment for the arts he's gotten a push cart prize which those of you that are like familiar with like the publishing world particularly if you've written like short stories or poetry that's like kind of the prize if you are somebody that publishes poetry and short stories here is the thing that is very interesting and why I'm giving so much preamble to reading his poem. He's a computer.

No. Oh. In 2019, he suffered a stroke. Jesus. And basically had to rebuild all of his, like, physical and language skills from scratch, more or less, which, as you can imagine, fundamentally changed his ability to write poetry. Yeah, of course. so this new collection of poetry is largely about that experience and it's complete like a complete

tangent from the work he's done before right to say the work he's done before is like a totally different author it was just it it stood the poems he wrote before stood out as as kind of still the same voice but more kind of typical subject matter for for a poem whereas this is very much like very confessional right um very narrative um and uh really remarkable considering all that he has been through um he gave an interview uh in 2024 and he said uh that his neurologist said that the fact that he was a painter and a poet is why he recovered. He said, quote, because of the building of pathways, I already had such weird pathways built on lateral thinking that continuing to paint and write poetry would help with the neuroplasticity. I made an amazing

recovery. I'm lucid and I can walk. And when I'm rested, you can't really tell I have a limp. I can use my right arm pretty well. So I can make a pretty good recommendation for the power of language and the need for poetry and painting. And maybe I do need to write, but I don't need to publish, and I don't need to share, and that's a different thing. That's crazy. That's so good. Yeah.

The other thing that is different about his work now is it is all justified and in like a paragraph block, and he talks about how most poetry is left justified, and when you read a line, you come all the way back to the baseline and then you read the next line and you come all the way back and the movement of the eye coming left felt like starting over and he wanted to kind of keep the momentum the same throughout and then he also said that um he couldn't break a line because he would get lost and trail off and he still gets kind of lost like his ability to focus and stay in a thought and kind of follow what is happening has gotten more challenging since he has had his stroke. And so now when he writes poetry, he kind of puts it together in this

like block paragraph formation because it's easier for him to interpret and kind of captures what he's trying to do. That's really fascinating. Better. Yeah. So it's anyway, so I'm really excited about this new collection. It seems really intimate and just, amazing. So I wanted to read one of the poems that's going to be in this collection. It is called Guest House. James wouldn't let me move back into the condo because there were too many stairs. So he moved me into a one-room studio while we figured out what to do with me. It had brick walls and concrete floors. There was a sink and a small fridge. It used to be a one-car garage. The owner had added a bathroom in the back.

It was one step up from the main room. Everyone was worried, but I had practiced doing steps in rehab. I could do four of them without getting muscle cramps. The first night was hard. I slept on the floor so I didn't fall out of the bed. I left the bathroom light on. The second night wasn't any easier, or the third night. A series of friends were commissioned to make sure I ate.

Someone came by every evening and took. took me to a restaurant. The rest of the time I was on my own. The single step to the bathroom wasn't a problem, but getting in and out of the bed was tricky, and the bed didn't have rails. It made me uneasy. I slept on the floor. The plan. Get on with it. During the day, I slept or did my exercises and practiced using my walker. Even when my leg gave out, I could keep myself from falling, which was nice. I couldn't get my walker in the shower, so I sat on the tile floor to soap up and rinse. It was hard to stand up, so I would crawl out and lay on a towel until I was dry enough to pull myself up to the toilet without slipping. In the evenings,

I would go out to dinner with someone, and I would have to ask uncomfortable questions. Where did we meet? How do you spell your name? Why did you like me? And then there were the questions I couldn't ask. Did we love each other? Did I do bad things? Should I be ashamed? I cautiously circled the blank struck out spaces. I forgot most of what they told me once I got back to the guest house. It wasn't a real house. I didn't have a real body. I feel like there's more to say about it, but there's not that's a uh that's that's that's that is a that's a that's haunting it's really incredible and but extremely like you weren't kidding about how personal yeah and intimate a kind of retelling of of your experience that is i think a lot about how i want a poet

to capture every experience because there is something to me that is so um gosh just like emotionally useful about the way that a poet can reflect an experience to you and and to have somebody like him who has gone through something very challenging who has to kind of rebuild himself and to use his like ability to communicate and his way with language and his kind of artistic inclination to like capture this experience in this very unique and powerful way it just it just makes me think like man if every challenging part of our lives had a poet that could like capture that yeah like how much more connected people would be generally um because i just i just feel like I'm so excited to read this collection because it's going to help me understand this experience

so much more. And I just feel like, I don't know, I just feel like he's got a lot of, I don't know, I just got a lot of, I don't know, just got a lot of, like, exciting insight. Yeah, I mean, you've shared a lot of poetry on this show, and it's like, I don't know, interesting as a poem about kind of like rebuilding your memory how incredibly um detailed and sort of evocative this this essentially memory of this time it is yeah uh and the idea of like the poetry that he writes being the the medium for that and also the thing that makes it possible for his brain to kind of put that all back to get it's it's really a lot to kind

of process yeah he wrote a poem that I read just about like the experience of like when he had the stroke and like going to the emergency room like he details the whole experience like all along the way yeah it's amazing um and I just wanted to say one more thing he gave this interview uh with the common online in April 2025. And he says about poetry, quote, you have to lock them in at the beginning or they won't follow you and you can't let it sag or falter. You need multiple propulsions. You need the new propulsion already in place before you let go of the current one. People will go to great lengths to avoid feeling difficult things. So you have to reward them for putting up with the discomfort. People have limited attention, limited bandwidth. So you have to cut

every dead word and every false gesture. Fuck, man. It has to be relentless and inevitable. It has to be economical and precise. And above all, it has to be compressed. You have to get as much as you can into their heads before they turn away. A poem can be 100 pages long, but it has to be a 500-page poem compressed into 100 pages. That's really good.

That's so good. Damn, that's all really fucking great. I know. Does he, or did he teach? Not that I can find... Because that felt extraordinarily professorial. I know. And I mean that in a positive way.

I, I, there's, it's hard to find a lot about him. Um, but, uh, what I did see suggested that he has, he has to have some experience teaching because he talks a lot about poetry in a way that feels very knowledgeable. Right. And like, like he is some kind of educator. Yeah. Um, but yeah, man. um just really refreshing to find a poet like that who's just like not so poety you know

yeah no for sure um and uh i like the poety ones too yeah for sure but it's like it's good for me to find poets like that because it takes away some of the intimidation and reminds you that like you can just talk in your voice yeah sure and if you're like precise enough like it can be incredibly powerful. Yeah. What was his name again? Richard Sicken. Richard Sikken. S-I-K-E-N. Cool. Incredible. Really, really, really incredible. I feel like that one's going to stick with me. Can I steal you away? Yes. Have you had the tea yet, by the way? No, I'm about to go in. I just had a sip. I'm crazy about it. But we have different tastes sometimes and what we enjoy. This is the ginger.

peach tea yeah huh yeah weird i'm getting both i'm getting ginger and peach it's like sour first you're like what is that set and then the ginger hits you're like whoa and then the peach just kind of opens up yeah i feel like i i would benefit from some honey maybe you're you're like a good idea you're like a big honey guy right i put a little splash i wouldn't say i'm a big honey guy I wouldn't say I'm a big honey guy You're a big honey girl right Who's my big honey girl Sometimes you take offense

To the most surprising things Big honey guy Me I'm a big fucking tough dude Built Ford tough Should I have said little honey guy You put honey in your tea sometimes would be good my big honey guy anyway I feel like this tea could benefit from a big honey guy I did put some big honey guy in mind and I it is fantastic you know who else is fantastic is Jensen McCray who is my big wonder this week big shout out to the Las Caltarista's culture awards which were just genuinely delightful start start to finish you've listened to the podcast more more than I have so you can probably give a brief background on

on that if you want to. Yeah, I mean, Bowen-Yang is definitely the most recognizable of the two on Saturday Night Live, played the iceberg and the great, like, correspondent on Weekend Update, Titanic situation that, like, propulsed him. Propelled. Propelled to him to start him. His best friend from college, Matt Rogers, the two of them have had a podcast for a very long time, well before he was famous. And they talk about things in culture and bring on famous people now.

And they have had this idea of an awards show that was not really anything for a long time. It was just silly things that they liked. And then this past year, it was an actual show on Bravo and had like actual budget. Huge budget. Yeah. And they had guests and performances and we watched it. And it was very heartwarming because it was these two very sincere, enthusiastic men, like doing all the things they wanted to do with the people they liked. Yeah. And also, like, it is exciting to see a podcast adapted in such a, like, original and also incredibly successful way. Like, that's just, it's so, so thrilling. So the show is great. We watched some of it here in Huntington, but then we, or in DC, but then we went to Huntington. for a quick little family trip, and we watched the rest of it with Juice and Sid,

just like they had finished putting the kids to bed and came into the living room. We were just like, yeah, we got this thing on if you want to watch it. And then Jensen McCraig comes out to perform one of the songs that was, I think, nominated for Song of the Year or track of the year. There was like a different category for Song of the Year, like Album of the Year. There was Song of the Year. There was Song of the Summer. Yeah. There was also a category for Best Batman Woman.

There's a lot of really good stuff. So one of the nominees was Jensen McCrae, who performed her song, Massachusetts, on stage with just her singing. Her brother was there playing piano. And so, like, we were talking to JuCin'Cid, just kind of catching up on the day. And just kind of one by one, we realized we all kind of went silent and were just kind of transfixed by this woman's performance. because it was really, really, really, breath-takingly good. So Jensen McRae is, she describes herself as a folk alternative pop singer-songwriter. She's from Santa Monica.

She has this just insanely rich, deep alto voice that has earned her like a million comparisons to Tracy Chapman. She has cited a lot of musical influences like Stevie Wonder, James Taylor, Taylor, Alicia Keys, Carol King, and I think if we play a little bit of the song that she played at the Culture Awards, it's a song called Massachusetts. For her most recent album, I think it'll give an example of sort of how apt those comparisons are. So here is a little bit of Massachusetts. When someone tells me that from Massachusetts, now I always ask what? I wonder if you kept the pilgrim ashtray

if it's still propped on your bar cart could make the grand off of the chain you bought me but god damn it's not for sale when someone asked me who's my favorite bad man I'll think of you as a Christian bit as long as I live I'll remember the names of your favorite fears in your video game I've listened to this song so many times since we got back to Huntington partially because like her voice is just bonkers but the imagery that she is able to evoke

about this sort of abstract idea is I think really powerful and I think you and I've talked about this a lot very recently specifically on this show whenever we bring like what is essentially a breakup song how we don't necessarily have the immediate resonance with that like oh this song isn't really for isn't it's been a long time since i've needed a sad breakup jam to uh to to help me out but like this one's one of the best ones that i've maybe ever heard and i think the the first line is just a really breathtaking I keep using that word but it's

yeah that's what I mean that's what it is it's a really great example of this concept of like a song about the minutia that is left over when a long term relationship comes to an end the first line is when people tell me they're from Massachusetts now I always ask what part

that like implies so much shit it like is suggestive of a moment where someone says something and you recognize that now you know something about it and you are excited to talk about it and the source of that excitement is someone who used to be like really special in your life and that I don't know that feeling is is really really uh like I said like abstract but also pretty relatable I think yeah um I definitely I probably have a few things that if I were

to like think pretty hard about it like I would only have known about because of you you know, past relationships or past perhaps friends that I don't necessarily speak to as much anymore. And I don't know. I think that that feeling is very, is very relatable. I also want to give credit to the line when someone asks me, who's my favorite Batman? I'll think of you and say Christian Bale. It's just like everything that's in the song that is referenced is so specific. Yeah. All the way down to, and I got to give credit up, your favorite beers and your video games, your video games. The most I've heard video games sort of referred to in a song since, like, Lana Del Rey's whole thing. And I do think that this one handles the subject matter a little bit more delicately. But this idea of like the media, the stuff you were into I was into. There's a line of, uh, my tongue is turning over all your phrases. Now I say it's aces, but it sounds so strange. Uh, I wonder if your tongue is turning over anything I used to say. Like it's, it is feels like really, I don't know like so so personal it always astonishes me when a songwriter can write something that is so obvious I imagine who it's about like it feels like the kind of song that there's a person out there who heard it who's like oh shit there's no denying who this is about I'm from Massachusetts I have video games but like think about how many breakup

songs there are in the world how much overlap there is between all of them how intimidating like daunting it must be to sit down to write a breakup song and not step on like hundreds of them just in the first like 10 seconds yeah and like that's what's so like gorgeous about this one is that it's just so precise yeah while also sort of referencing a lot of stuff like your wall of guitars and your video games like okay that's a lot of That's a lot of, that's a lot of people. Yes, very much so. So Jensen McCrae is, she decided to pursue music as a career at a very young age.

She got sent to Grammy camp in high school and then got a music degree at USC and started releasing EPs in college. She released a few singles like at the end of college and shortly after, but she really started to gain some recognition with some songs that she dropped during. the height of COVID. So she had this tweet that went viral in January of 2021, where she said, in 2023, Phoebe Bridgers is going to drop her third album, and the opening track will be about hooking up in the car while waiting in line to get vaccinated at Dodger Stadium, and it's going to make me cry. And like a bunch of people, you know, interacted with this tweet.

Bridgers retweeted it. And so Jensen McCray wrote a whole song called Immune, that is specific. specifically about this, about hooking up with someone in line to get vaccinated at Dodger's Stadium. And it, I don't know, some of the stuff I read about it was like, yeah, it's like written in Bridger's style and it's a really interesting sort of tribute. I think it kind of stands on its own as just sort of a really, really, again, very specific moment that is crystallized in amber, like a COVID romance song is not something that I've really heard before. So I also want to play a little bit of that song. It's called Immune. And here it is.

Someone's smoking in the camera just ahead. Yeah, I know the irony would never be lost on me. You don't have to point it out again. What will we say to each other when the needle goes end? What will we be to each other if the world doesn't end? She just dropped an album back in April called I don't know how, but they found me. And it's the album that Massachusetts is on.

And it's really, really, really great. I have listened to a front to back. And I would recommend it to just about anyone. I think she is a really, really incredible writer with a really unique voice. And I don't know. I think it is telling that I am as into. this music and resonating with it, even if it's not as personally sort of like immediately relevant, it's just, it is, I don't know, it kind of reminds me of a time when I listen to a lot

of music like that. And there was a, it was incredibly worthwhile to have music like that in my life at that time. And so, I don't know, it kind of transports me to this other, other era. and I think it's just really great. Yeah. Do you want to know what our friends at home are talking about? Please.

Here they come. Here's one from Sarah who says, Hi, Rachel and Griffin, my small wonder is when you go to name a folder on a computer and find that you have already

named one the same thing. I think it's so funny that our brains will follow the same paths and set off the same thoughts. Thanks for a wonderful podcast to listen to on my way to work. I find this quite relatable.

I, every two or three years, I'm like, all these files. And then it's like, I'll go look at my documents folder which is like my bone yard and I'll be like fuck man I've already got I've already got one in there called like

taxes and stuff I've already got one in there called like old sprite sheets like it's I I need to I need to hire a professional is there like a cyber Marie condo who will go through and be like you don't you don't need a full I have a folder

on my desktop called music production right underneath a folder called Music Files. Oh, Griff. What's going on there? What's the distinction? I don't know. I forgot.

I made these folders such a long time ago. You just put them together. That's what I do sometimes. If I do that, then Ableton's going to freak the fuck out. The first time I'm like, hey, Ableton, play some drums. It'll be like, where is them? Here's one from Holly who says, My Small Wonder is sliding into clean bed sheets just after shaving my legs.

There's something so nice about the buttery glide of baby smooth skin against fresh soft cotton. you want me to weigh in on this uh i mean i understand the feeling of like nice like a clean soft sheet getting in there there's obviously you ever slide in face first after shaving it's been a while since i've shaved so that's true you haven't gotten like fully clean clean face specifically like lately i'm a pretty rough man i don't have a lot of sort of smooth surfaces on me anymore working on that working on it with my dermatologist trying to get smooth for the world um how i just dropped my phone on myself um but is it nice it is very nice especially like if you put some lotion on there like if you really smooth yourself up right and then really just bobsled yeah right in there yeah

cool running style cool running's it you and three other women immediately behind you uh hey thanks for listening. Thank you so much to Bowen and Augustus for the use for our theme song Money Won't Pay. You'll find a link to that in the episode description. And thank you to Maximum Fun for having us on the show. You can go to Maximumfund.org. Check out all the great stuff that they have going on over there. We've got some live shows coming up in Atlanta. We're doing Mbim Bam and Taz in Atlanta next week. So you should come out and see us. The Taz show is going to be Taz versus Popeye. Dad's running it. Last time dad ran a show, it was a fucking hoot. I'm real excited for him to be back in the saddle. We're also doing stuff at DragonCon. So bit.ly slash Macroy Tours is where you can get tickets for those shows. And also we're coming to Texas, San Antonio and Austin. We're coming to Utah in California later in the year. And you can get tickets again at bit.ly slash McElroy Tours. Dad's doing D&D in a castle in November. And you can get tickets to play at his table if you so choose. I'm not sure where to do that because it's not included in the list

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