Wonderful! - Wonderful! 390: We'll Smell Some Ice Bags and Get Back to You

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Rachel's favorite wondrous poet! Griffin's favorite bone puzzles!Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoyaBorder Angels: https://www.borderangels.org/

Hi, I'm Rachel McElroy. Hey, this is Griffin McRoy. And this is wonderful. This is wonderful, a podcast where we talk about things we like that is good that we are into. And that's going to do it for us this week on Wonderful. You've done too much podcasts today. I've done too much podcasts in life. When I get to the Pearly Gates, St. Peter is going to go through my book.

He's going to be like looking good, looking good. One question. It seems to me like you did an outsized number of podcasts just compared to the average sort of individual who has come up in a year. And I won't have anything to say about that. It's absolutely objectively true. Here's what people forget about, I think, sometimes is there are a number of people that have been doing podcasts for a long time. Yes. You know, like you hear about them.

And I, let me be clear, I hate that. When they refer to like the people that were there at the beginning, you know, there are people that come up before y'all. The old dogs. But you have many. Yeah. You have many. It's not just like one that you've been doing for a long time. It's like a lot you've been doing for a long time now.

Yeah. And some of them are short run. and some of them we only do on Thanksgiving. And so, like, those probably shouldn't be counted in my final heavenly tally. But for the rest of them, I mean, it is quite a bit of podcast. Can I ask you sometimes, like, when something happens to you, and it's like a nice little anecdote, do you ever think, like, well, this is really a bestie's anecdote? Or, you know what? I think if I'm going to share this little story, this is going to be a Mbimba story.

I mean, I know my audience, right? And by which I mean the other people I host the podcast with, not like the actual audience. I don't really know them that well. But if I, you know, get a story, if there's a story about like, we got a particularly big booger out of Gus's nose to help him sleep better, that's a bestie's. Like, I got to tell my besties boys about that because they like that nasty beetle juice stuff. The Mbim Bam crowd is a little too erudite. And I don't know how I would fit that specific sort of story into the adventure zone. maybe if we did like a garbage pale kid season

which I wouldn't put it past us honestly I guess I never thought about that there's not a lot of room for personal anecdotes and Adventure Zone no there's not it's when you get into the drama as much as we do unless your character's like

oh on my travels I ran into a spectacled man and he told me a story about his two boys yeah that's awesome Yeah, I would like to make myself sort of endemic to the work. I actually wouldn't like that. I like my privacy. And that's why I do 15 podcasts a week. Do you have any small wonders?

I'm going to say, so today I got a hankering. I don't know if you noticed it when you got home, went out, bought a fall wreath. I saw, I got a nest cam sort of like warning that's like, Hey, someone's in front of your house. Someone hung a wreath on your door. And I looked and I saw you with a big wreath, like, front and center. Did you notice it when you brought Big Sun back from school? No, I didn't.

Wow. Did you? You walked him straight at the stairs. You opened the front door. Didn't notice the wreath. Yeah. Anyway, I got a fall wreath. I like a seasonal wreath.

I'd kind of fallen off of it because we did have a family of birds that put a nest in our last one. Such a piccadillo of that one. And it really messed with me a lot. Yeah. It became a big obstruction and I fell off wreaths for a long time. But this season, man, it feels like this is when you start getting, you know, decorating. Yeah. Well, when you hang a wreath on your door, you are not signing up to have birds shit all over the front of your door.

Well, it was the baby birds is what happened. The baby birds is rough. Because let me tell you, we were very ginger every time we came into and out of the house, which was a little bit annoying. But mostly these fucking guys kept falling into the yard. Like they just kept falling into the yard. Well, and what happened is I finally got to a point where I thought, like, okay, they've most definitely flown the nest. And I decided I'm taking this wreath down and they had not. And then we had to kind of like protect them from predators, which in my head I did successfully.

But who knows? Who can tell? It's birds, baby. Who knows? What's your small wonder? Um, I, my small wonder is, um, e ink. I like e ink tablets and readers and shit like that. I just got a new one. And it's like, um. Is that like where the screen's textured? It's, well, it's like the screen isn't like, um, displaying pixels. It's like displaying like ink, right? And so it's like gentler on the eyes. It's not like blasting your eyeballs with light. but this one's like journalist notepad size like that more where I forget that it's like a six I don't know one of those one of those sizes I just really like it I think it looks good you can fit in your jinko pants I can fit it in my jinko pants if I want it's got a little stylus I've got a few of them and I don't know I just find the technology very interesting and I really really do prefer looking at one of those for extended periods of time over looking at a phone

or iPad or whatever. You go first this week. Yeah. Will you start? Will you start? This week I feel like I'm about to get the hiccups, so I'm really trying to.

Whoa, you feel like you're about to get the hiccups? Is this one of those things where if I talk about it, it's going to make it happen? Am I manifesting right now? Because I don't want to do that. What do you need me to do right? How can I be helpful in this moment? Because I do not want you to get the hiccups on our podcast.

Have you, did you do your breathing? That's what I'm trying to do. Box breathing. Box breathing. Box breathing. Yelling at me will definitely. Power! Box breathing.

Good. Sometimes when my nose is stuffy, I will breathe through my mouth and it will make my breathing a little bit irregular, which will cause me to get the hiccups. Oh, geez, man. I think this is what happens to Big Sun, too, because he also gets. the hiccups sometimes for really no reason at all yeah okay i think i'm okay the only reason you should get the hiccups is if you're an old-timey drunk man in like a black and white comic strip and you have to actually say like hook that's the only acceptable reason to have hiccups or if you're drinking a bubbly soda no that's a burp that's a burp in job some of us don't burp what do you have prepared for

the class i have a trip to the poetry corner okay great don't you don't have to say it like that. I'm excited to go to the poetry corner. You yelled box breathing at me so many times. I can't help but notice you didn't box breathe. I'm not sure I know what that means. Four in, hold four, four out, hold four. That's what they do. Well, I guess in the Metal Gear Solid video game franchise. That's how I know about that. That's how you know about that. Big shouts out to my man, Jacob Dunkel, my old roommate who taught me about Metal Gear Solid and box breathing and all that. All that, nano-machines. Sometimes you present yourself as a real Renaissance man, like a man of, like, of great knowledge.

You'll, like, tell me the names of, like, old weapons from medieval times. And I'll think, this man knows everything about everything. And then I'll say, how did you come upon this knowledge, great man of wisdom? And you'll say, well, there's a video game. I'll stop saying that. Next time you're like, how do you know what a sestis is? I'll be like a museum of natural weapons that I went to in Prague I went to Prague I went to the Prague Museum of Natural Weapons does sound like a real thing the Prague Museum of Natural Weapons

what's a natural weapons I mean like a stick or a rocker you make me feel like a natural weapon what do you what's the poet uh the poet is mya popa which is just a fun name it's cool yeah i like that a lot um she has her uh PhD in the University of London uh her thesis was um quote wild unsayable colon wonder in romantic and contemporary poetry sounds germane She writes all about the role of wonder in poetry. Wow. And I thought, hey, this lady. Great fit.

Right in line with our whole thing. She has two books of poetry that I could find anyway. It's very difficult to find a lot on this woman. I think partially because she's relatively young. She's born in 1989. She wrote a book in 2019 called American. faith, and then another one called Wound is the Origin of Wonder in 2022. And then since then, she's been doing, you know, a lot of work teaching.

She has a substack and works online with emerging writers through a platform called Conscious Writers Collective, which is designed to help writers identify and meet their writing and publishing goals. Okay. And I wanted to read a poem by. her called Dear Life. Great. I can't undo all I have done unto myself, what I have let an appetite for love do to me.

I have wanted all the world, its beauties, and its injuries. Some days, I think that is punishment enough. Often I receive more than I asked, which is how this works. You fish in open water, ready to be wounded. on what you reel in. Throwing it back was a nightmare. Throwing it back and seeing my own face as it disappeared into the dark water. Catching my tongue suddenly on metal, spitting the hook into my open palm. Dear life, I feel that hook today most keenly. Would you loosen the line? You'll listen if I ask you. If you are the sort of life, I think you are.

that is really nice i don't snap enough for you and i i am sorry i am sorry for that i'll try my poem you know well yeah yeah fair point she writes a lot um kind of about like a like a natural experience um and kind of this this mysterious uh interaction with the world uh which is kind of that wonder that i was talking about i'm always like intrigued by um i don't know a kind like metaphysicality in in poetry and in writing like and I do not have the words to talk about this but you know talking talking to life like it is you know an audience that is a a traditional audience I don't know I find that always like really engaging yeah so given that her thesis was on wonder she has a lot to say about it there was an interview in McSweeney's in

23, and she said, I do believe that wonder is an essential human emotion and a chief effect of poetry. Recollecting wonder on the page presents an inherent generative challenge for poets who must, in a sense, narrate the conditions for wonder, while accommodating wonder's inherent disorientation, its sense of surpassing or breaching usual language in life. A poem that too conclusively tries to explain its wonder, risk, forfeiting the feeling. And then she goes on to say, it may seem rather dramatic to suggest

that our survival depends on our ability to wonder, but I suspect it is more right than not, a lens of wonder that is, an approach to the world that acknowledges and values its preciousness, its wantsness, and that seeks to safeguard its longevity and prevent its squandering

is inherently valuable. That's really, really, really good stuff. I feel like that should be like our mission statement. Put that in the podcast description. I think about that a lot, this idea of while preparing stuff for this show and like talking about stuff for this show, not running the risk of talking about it so much or talking about it in a way where it kind of loses what makes it so kind of like wonderful. I know. I think we try and do research because we want to have. some information that is is like give some context and maybe teaches people something they didn't

know and maybe give some like legitimacy to what we're saying that's not yes i don't think that's like ever my main but also like if it's too much like reading from the dictionary then it's not particularly wonderful anymore yeah like i genuinely only talk about stuff on this show that i that i like and it's i think is good at that i admit to and i i i don't know i also i also think about the fact that like if by talking about this thing am I going to like make its specialness like abstract in a way

that it no longer is special or like I can't communicate it effectively sometimes I will scrap stuff entirely because it's like I there's no way to make clear how much I like this like picture that my friend sent me the other day like I can't possibly do a segment on that

because I can't verbalize that or communicate that but sort of like I don't know I'm making specific for that I think is important and yeah that was really good yeah that's Maya Popa mya easy name to remember yeah she's she's pretty incredible and new fresh this is cool because like then when your friends are like talking about poets and they're like Robert Frost you can be like I mean new to me I'll say yeah I mean the 2020s I think is still I think

it still when I see somebody who was born in 1989 has a PhD I'm like how is that possible they're so young and then i actually get in my calculator to see how old that makes them and i realize oh that's 36 is not no i mean it's it's it's young but it's it's not like um you know they didn't just graduate high school getting a phd was uh never even close enough of a possibility in my life map that i would ever even look up how long it takes to do it i have no fucking idea you could tell me anything six years 10 years 12 years i do not know at I would believe anything you said. I mean, it varies. It depends how long you write and depends how much teaching you have to do. But a lot of people, it takes like five years. Crazy. Yeah. I know my friend Clint

did. And anytime I talk to him about it, I'd be like, that sounds like a lot of school. That sounds like a ton of work. Are you kidding me? Um, but good for you. Good for you. That's cool. Doctor. Crazy. Good for you. Good for you, doctor. Can I steal you away? Yes. It's time, babe, dinosaurs. Did I make you cough? What about dinosaurs? I'm curious about the kind of like reflexive reaction that you just had to dinosaurs. Because it made you cough. We haven't talked about dinosaurs, huh? We've talked about dinosaurs as like.

a child fascination, like it's cool when kids get into dinosaurs, which I think we mostly did because we were going to that dinosaur park outside of Austin like every weekend during COVID because it was like the only outside thing that our son could, was interested in doing. But this is an adult dinosaur segment. This is a dinosaur segment for grownups. So children, turn off the podcast. You're not ready for the kind of discourse that we're going to get. were you were you ever like a dinosaur kid because when I was little I mean kind of in the same way I'm I had toy dinosaurs I knew a little bit about dinosaurs like you know in that I like knew kind of the difference between you know like carnivores and herbivores right kind of like you know the kids in Jurassic Park I feel like I knew as much as those kids no fucking way man that little boy in Jurassic Park knew a lot about dinosaurs yeah the little girl maybe she was like less like

you know, like really dialed in, really focused about it. Because she was a girl. Well, she was, if memory serves more athletic than her little brother. Anyway, I was a dinosaur kid from like 1993 to 1994 when Jurassic Park came out, as was like everyone else in the world. And then I very quickly dropped it. It's what the tombstone says in your front yard of your childhood home, dinosaur kid. It says dinosaur kid, 93, 94, parentheses, when Jurassic Park came out.

And then not really anymore after that because there was only one good Jurassic Park movie, but they still keep making them. What the fuck is up with that? End parentheses. Objectively, historically, biologically, I think dinosaurs are fucking rad. And the fact that we know anything about dinosaurs at all is like pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. Because start here. When you talk about dinosaurs, the like numbers and measurements.

that you have to use to talk about dinosaurs is like beyond human comprehension. Like you can say dinosaurs, what is it? Okay, so dinosaurs first popped up in the scene 240 million years ago. Yeah. That's crazy. You can say that.

Like, oh, yeah, we measured their bones and the carbon in them, whatever. And there's, yeah, they were around 240 million years ago. Yeah, no, I can. That's cool. Most, I mean, longest stretch, you know, a human can get is like 100, 110. I think there was like a 120 year old. That's crazy. So 240 million years ago is just an

incomprehensible number. You can't even imagine what that much time is. Homo sapiens showed up between 200 and 300,000 years ago. I know. So like, and that was way after the, the, the, all the terrestrial dinosaurs got blowed up by the asteroid, which was 66 million years ago. Still a crazy, crazy long number. The fact that humans, old dinosaur bones and I was like I'll put this together like a puzzle I don't know how but let's just see what looks right and then they did it and they're like that looks super right I'm gonna see if other people agree with me and they're like yeah yeah that's right that's right that's right we got a new dinosaur guys like that whole process is um is really fantastic really great human accomplishment human achievement shit I think that's great sometimes I get TikToks in my feed of people like cracking open some like shale some ocean side shale and find like a preserved ammonite fossil and they get like so stoked and it's like I get it because you're holding a like 100 million year old shellfish corpse in your hand that's insane and being able to kind of like connect with that ancient sort of power is is so tangible and so cool and

I find like so fascinating as wild as it is like how long ago dinosaurs live. it's also wilder like how long they ran shit because they showed out 240 million years ago or so and then they were around for the whole mesozoic era I could never keep these straight like I definitely learned about them in middle school or whatever isn't it wild that you like you learn about this stuff as a kid and then that's it that's all you get yeah and there are updates to science and like paleontologists will learn things and all the sudden all the diontosaurus definitely have feathers but nobody tells you that because you stopped learning about dinosaurs 30 years ago yeah you have to get like a google news alert that's like update they got feathers now they got feathers now we got a great picture of them now it's like whoa shit how crazy cool i love that we're figuring this stuff out um yeah i mean there's basically like five extinction events throughout like prehistory that sort of roughly divide up these eras and so the mesozoic era was the triassic Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, and dinosaurs were around for that whole thing, like 140 million years,

dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates. That's a really long span of time to be kind of like king shit of fuck mountain sort of and being like in charge of Earth. And that I'm imagining that they're sort of like long rain is why we've identified so many different types of these guys. And this is where you start to like scratch that like the deep Pokemon centers in my, in my brain. There's two sort of broad categories of dinosaurs, which are avian and non-avian dinosaurs. And the mnemonic device you can use is that avian dinosaurs is birds and non-avian dinosaurs is all the non-birds.

And they're the ones who got got by the asteroid, specifically the one at the end of, I guess the Cretaceous. period 66 million years ago and all the bird ones were like we're up so like it's chill yeah right and they got to go on and become you know our modern day bird friends and I think that's really great hey did you know that I probably knew this at some point and forgot and was like bewildered by it all the same today do you know birds are technically reptiles it makes sense right because you say they evolve from dinosaurs and so if you can go back through their history or their family history or whatever like it makes sense because if they used to be dinosaurs they got to have a little bit of reptile but they could if you classify them as

reptile you're not wrong and that kind of fucked up huh yeah are they cold-blooded I guess so some of them are huh some one won't call you back we have identified according to the Museum of Natural History. I keep saying we, like I had fucking anything to do about it. Way go, Griffin. I look at this as like a human achievement. We've identified. And you're a human. And I'm a human. Museum of Natural History says we've identified seven, over 700 valid species of dinosaurs, which is why, you know, you'll be watching a thing about dinosaurs and they'll bring up some dinosaur that you've never heard of before. Yeah, they've got over 700 of those. And we all know the hits, sorry, the T-Rex, the, I can't think of a second dinosaur but stegosaurus thank you so much triceratops bronosaurus the my mind went to brontosaurus and then I remembered like is bronosaurus one or because there's some weird shit about is it break brachiosaurus now I feel like we face one of those out I know

this is what I'm saying the this is my one thing about dinosaurs is that the dinosaur scientists also known as paleontologists I feel like they are kind of always kind of switching it up on me a little bit and that's fine they're putting together a 200 million year old bone puzzle like I get that you're going to sort of like change stuff like it's a fluid situation yeah you know now that you mention it i don't know that big sun has really learned about dinosaurs in school no absolutely not i feel like they just kind of stop teaching about it because they're like hey you know what this is this is changing a lot we don't know we don't know no paleontologists are just mixing it up all the time no i mean they're doing good work um the fact that there's like over 700 different

types of just these like non-avian terrestrial dinosaurs who all went extinct because they got blowed up by a big asteroid, it means like, that's why you can have one that is like weighs a million pounds and has a mile long neck. And then this one's got a huge jaw and a fin on its back because it can eat anything no matter where it is, land sea or sky. Some of them were real little. Some of them had armor. Like, it's just kind of, it's wild that these are all basically in the same broad category of animal. And yet, like, they are so. So, so biologically different in a way that is genuinely kind of Pokemon-esque if you really want to get down into it. Where it does get confusing is when, you know, depictions of them in TV and film confuses you.

Like the Dilophosaurus can't actually like shoot out its neck frills and spit venom all over Wayne Knight's face. Oh, no? No, he couldn't do that. That was an invention of Mr. Michael Crichton. So thanks, Mike. It's, we're all struggling out here trying to keep hard time. They call them spitters. Not, nope.

Who does? Who calls them that? In the, in the movie. In the movie. I don't know, man. I think if you were an alien who came to Earth today and you like lived here for a while and you're like, hey, I get it. Like, I kind of, I get what you guys are up to.

And then you find out about dinosaurs. Like, I think it would really kind of, kind of fuck you up a little bit. Like, we've all gotten really used to the fact that just an. One fathomable amount of time ago, this big, scaly, diverse crowd of reptilian monsters like ruled the earth. Yeah. They were in charge for a long time. And the only reason that we know about them is because of their bone puzzles.

Well, and that's what's really hard to explain to kids. It's like, oh, dragons aren't real. Yeah. Like, for sure, dragons aren't real. Dinosaurs, yes. Dinosaurs were real. Yes. I almost feel like Jurassic Park did me a bit of.

a disservice because in my mind, even those years 93, 94, great years, great years for me personally and professionally. I was into dinosaurs, but it was very much from like a, I had dinosaur toys and I thought they were cool. And, you know, when Wayne Knight gets, you know, killed by the spitting dinosaurs, like, wow, that's cool. Velociraptors with the big claw, clever girl. That's cool. But like, now that I'm a grown man, and I can appreciate them on an adult level. I don't know. I think there is this like deep time appreciation of dinosaurs from the fact that they lived

so long ago in a way that when you think about it, like it makes your brain hurt and expand a little bit in a way that now I think is like really, really, really, really cool and special. I think if I had appreciated dinosaurs on that level when I was a child, one, I would have been a pretty mature kid. Yeah, there's no way. Pretty dialed in. But two, like, I could totally see myself going down, like, the paleontology track of the game of life. Because I think that's really, really neat. You get to dig around and figure out what these ancient, like, creatures looked like.

That's a cool job. That's a cool life. Yeah, it's got to be a hard road, though, because as we mentioned, you stopped learning about it for a long time. Yeah. So, like, you would go most of your school career. like specifically not taking any classes that discuss dinosaurs at all. Yeah. Like I don't even know if in college there are that many courses that you could even take that would discuss dinosaurs.

You would just have to keep plugging away waiting for the day where you could really focus in on those guys. Yeah. That is true of nearly every collegiate major, I feel like, though. No, if you're into like biology, you know, like there's a lot of like stuff where you, you're always taking it, you know? That's, yeah, that's a fair point. Well, you're a math guy. I guess I was thinking like when I was like studying broadcast journalism, I had broadcast journalism

classes and then I had a lot of classes that did not have broadcast journalism in them. And it's like, fuck, man. Why am I even here right now? True, but you didn't go a whole year without taking a class where you didn't have to write a paper. No, but I imagine if you go to school for paleontology, you probably go to like a special cool dinosaur school, probably somewhere out in New Mexico. and they do give you lots of dinosaur classes there. I don't think you and I, you and I are so far away from the scene that I don't think we know, like, you know, what that life is, what that life is like.

Hey, do you want to know what our friends at home are talking about? Yes. How about this one from Jacob who says, My Small Wonder recently has been reusing pill bottles to store coins. We use them at work to keep all the loose coins together for transport and nothing's more satisfying to me at the end of a shift than counting down my drawer and putting all the change in. into their neat, little neat compartments. Bonus points go to quarters because their diameter matches up with that of the pill bottle

and it always ends up with a perfect stack. Bonus points, bonus points go to fond memories of going to the arcade as a kid and my mom would give each one of us kids an empty pill bottle to put our tokens in. That's like a three and one, Jacob. That's very generous. I had to throw away an empty pill bottle the other day

and it just felt like there's got to be some way I can use this thing. Yeah, coins, I guess. I guess coins. Yeah, I mean, when it's one of those, like, clear orange ones, your traditional bog standard prescription pill bottle, that's cool. Like, I'll put something in there. What? What?

Sand. Okay. From all the beaches. Treasures that you find on the street. But we should just give them directly to our kids. They can't open them, but. No. So it'd be fun, like a fun game.

Harriet says, my small wonder today is the smell of bagged ice. It's such a distinctive smell and always reminds me of summer road trips and camping. I also love the convenience of it. Auto ice in the freezer, just a quick run to the gas station and $2 later, and I have an ice cold water to hydrate with. Huh. Huh. I guess I've never thought about bagged ice having a smell.

Yeah, I don't know that I bought enough bagged ice in my day. This is one where when I read it, it was almost like a mystery because I was like, I believe you, Harriet. And I know it's one of those things where now next time I get a bag of ice, you know I'm going to take a deep off. I can almost picture it, but I think you're right. But what I'm thinking of is like the smell of a freezer. I guess that's true. I don't know if that's the same thing. It might not be. Harriet, we will investigate this further. We'll go smell some ice. We'll smell some ice bags and we'll get back to you. Thank you so much for listening to our show. We hope you had a good time because we always do when making it. Thank you so much to

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