Wonderful! - Wonderful! 421: Not Gonna Rub Stalactites On My Face

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Rachel's favorite here, queer, and big poet! Griffin's favorite jams that you would not bring to a dance party! Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoya Lamda Legal: https://lambdalegal.org/ Help support this show and unlock bonus content! Become a member at https://maximumfun.org/joinwonderful

Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hello, this is Griffin McRoy. And this is wonderful. Welcome to Wonderful. It's a podcast where you talk about things we like. That's good that we're into. Can I be honest for a second? Please.

And this won't come as a surprise to you. I've been kind of a grump lately. Uh-oh. We had a particularly taxing weekend. Okay. With the boys. Right. Little son is just being kind of mean.

Just a sort of good way to put it. just sort of, um, just mean to us all the time. Yesterday we went outside and we have been grace lately with a very small bunny. Oh, God, this bricking guy. It's a baby bunny. It's the cutest thing I've ever seen. And he's there most of the time when we go outside. Small son, because he's been so mean lately, we went outside yesterday and he was like,

uh, where's the bunny? And I was like, oh, I don't know. and he was like, I want to see the bunny. Yeah. And I was like, I don't really have any control over where the bunny appears. And he was like, I want to see the buddy. Yeah. I was like, I can't do anything to help you, sir.

Yeah. Yeah, anyway. I made that, I'll tell you what it was, is I made a mistake once of the bunny. I want to pick them up and rub them all over my face. I harbor a lot of feelings about nature that when I say them out loud, people are very quick to say, like, you can't pick the bunny up and rub it all over your face. You can't give that duck a big hoagy sandwich because it'll die from it. And I understand these things now, but I did, they wanted the bunny to come closer so that we could all pick it up and rub it all over our face.

And so I played a video on my phone of bunny noises and it kind of worked. And so I do think he probably is under the impression that we can summon the bunny by playing YouTube videos of bunny noises. Anyway, I feel like I kind of carried my frustrated mood into this morning and then having to prepare for wonderful almost felt like punishment. Okay. And that it was like, yeah, grumpy Gus. That's not a great term to use because unrelated grumpy, not the actual grumpy guess. Grumpy, Gloria. Now you have to find something you like and talk about it.

So get it together, lady. Is there a butt? It feels like all of this is like leading up to it. But then I realized. Well, I went to exercise, which helped a lot. And then I found a topic that was really nice and I was excited to talk about. Okay, good. So, yeah, so I turned it around.

But I'm just saying I want to be honest with our listeners that sometimes when I sit down and I have to think of something nice, I feel very surly and angsty about it. Sure. But I'm not in the mood to do that. But don't blame Rachel. If you're listening to this episode, you're like, dang, that was a surly one. It's not Rachel's fault. It's our son's fault. Yes.

This is what I realized. I was feeling like, why am I so grumpy this morning? And then I realized, oh, it's because a small son has been mean to me for like four days straight. And I haven't really had a break from it until now. Yeah. Yeah. But me too. I want you to know that it's not you.

And it's not anything that you're doing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He'll at least say that he loves you out loud. Oh, are we competing now for how bad it is? No, no, no. I'm just sort of comparing the nature of his affront towards me, which is a lot deeper, a lot more psychological.

True. Yours is very brass tacks, like, make the bunny appear you can't. I'm going to fucking lose my mind right now. His is like, he will say, like, I love you, and I'll be like, oh, my God. And it'll be like, just kidding. That sort of, like, rugpole type. We're really making him out to sound like a Machiavellian sort of monster. Most of the time he's pretty good.

I think people know that. I think people know we love our children. Okay, good. I don't think we have to... I don't know, but maybe this is someone's first episode. They don't know we love our kids. We do. I'll add it to the intro.

We talk about things we like that's good that we're into. We love our kids. We love our kids. And we should say it like we're at gunpoint. Yeah. Do you have a small wonder you'd like to do? Oh, I will see we went and saw Andrew Bird. Yes.

Which was really great. With the Philharmonic? National Symphony Orchestra. National Symphony Orchestra, even better. And he did all of that album. The mysterious production of eggs, yeah. Yeah. Which I think came out, man, it came out a long time ago.

20 years ago. That's the whole thrust of this tour is that it is the 20th anniversary. Yeah, it was so good. Big ups to pops, to peeps, to client for getting us tickets. Your birthday concerts. for that for my birthday. Yeah, it was great. Arrangements of all the songs off that album with, with, like, 70 other musicians on stage with them.

And I thought, like, man, that's got to be, when he busts out the violin, that's got to be intimidating, right? Because you're up there with the National Symphony Orchestra. And then he started to play, like, his, like, solo in the middle of, like, MX missiles. And I was like, oh, goddamn, never mind, he's incredible. Like he's actually so fucking good. And his whistling is unbelievable.

Every time I see this dude in concert, I'm like, how is that noise coming out of that small an aperture? So risky to get up on stage and to be so confident in your whistling ability that you're like, I'm going to stop everything and just whistle here. Yeah. And I'm going to nail it. And I'm not worried about not nailing it. Yeah. Met some really lovely listeners too at the show. Thanks for coming up and saying hi.

It's always nice. Yeah. we had a couple write us a sweet little note talking about how they met through like a mvim bam fan group real good we did have to leave early because it was a late concert and we felt bad about our babysitter uh yeah we didn't get home until like after 10 p.m which is like unprecedented musicians please don't start your shows at eight o'clock i need a tight a 530 concert oh can you imagine 530 concert and a dinner at the same time oh the best best. Wait, you're eating while you're at the concert? You're eating while you're at the concert. Okay. Like medieval times? I guess my dream experience I'm describing as medieval times. I'm going to say, um, hmm. I did kind of take Baby Bunny and I'm sorry about that. Baby Bunny's so good, you guys. I mean, okay, I'll say this. This is my small wonder. Big Bunny. The other day, Baby Bunny came out and we were like, oh shit. Guys, I'm not kidding. He's the size of my hand. He's like,

He's hand-sized, right? I'm not exaggerating. This is... Babyest bunny I've ever seen. This bunny is four inches long. This is a little fucking guy. And then a big bunny came around, who I think is his dad. You seem convinced as his dad.

And I've never seen them both at the same time. I thought there was just one buddy who shrank and grew depending on like the weather or the humidity or something. No, there were two bunnies. And we were all like, what if they started to frolic? And they did. The big bunny was chasing the little. bunny around. It was so good. And I feel like we've been there since the beginning. Because you remember when we used to see this bunny who was gathering like clumps of grass and running under our deck?

Yeah. Like we, we have been with this bunny since before birth, I feel like. I'd do anything for them. I would do anything for this rabbit family. Yeah. Me too. And I'm not going to rub them all over my face. Because I imagine there's some like essential oils that humans produce. That's what it always comes down to is. The essential oils. When someone is like telling you how to interact with an animal in nature, it's like there's oils on your skin. It's like animals, stalactites. Like you can't touch anything cool in nature or you'll kill it instantly. Your oils will get on it.

Your oils will get right on it. And they can't eat fucking anything. I googled like, what do you feed a baby bunny? And Google was like, nothing, dude. I was like, surely a big strawberry. And they're like, no, the strawberry will kill the baby bunny. I was like, God, everything. He eats the clovers in our yard.

He does love the clovers in our yard. Yeah. He nibbles all over him. You go first this week. He do. I had a hankering. Oh. And that hankering was for a trip to the poetry corner.

Poems. I like the idea that you're going to travel through sitcom theme songs. Yeah. Poem by poem. line by line Fresh start over Different every time The poems we read

The poems they ride We'll make it bad up Wow, you hit that note The second time around That's very good honey I felt like that started as a joke And then turned into a very real showcase Of my range

Your range Add that to your reel Yeah, I will. I'm like one of those family YouTubers who are like, today we're going to make a, you know, a roller coaster in our backyard. But really, we're just trying to soft launch the mom singing career. Can I tell you like, because I watch that episode start to finish for the first time. It was, it was about conquering your fears. My fear is not being a famous singer. And then, and then they also, here's the thing. God, we're narrow casting so fucking hard rate.

And I do not care. It's all I can think about. Then I also saw it in a compilation of our daughter doesn't appreciate the value of money. So we have to find ways to raise money. And one of the ways I'm going to raise money is by singing on this boardwalk. Yeah. But we have to borrow a microphone from an existing street performer. From another busker.

Yeah, who probably could use the cache a little bit more. more than your daughter. This is the Anzala family? I don't know. I don't want to call them out by name. What if they listen? Anyway, the woman really likes to sing. And you can tell that she has a pretty good voice.

Yeah. Sometimes they have birthday parties for the kids. But it's very much a don't make me see. She really puts her back into happy birthday in a way that is unnecessary. Hugely, hugely inappropriate. I'll say borderline problematic for a child's birthday party. But whose poems are we reading today? We are featuring the poet Eduardo Corral.

Is this from the book that you purchased at Politics and Prose yesterday? Yes. Washington, D.C.,'s own. Yes. Ada Limon, who is a poet laureate that I have featured on this program before, did a compilation of nature poems. It's like an anthology, I should say. And so it is not exclusively her poetry

but the book is called You Are Here Poetry in the Natural World and she edited and introduced the book and one of the poets featured was Eduardo Corral. And then I happen to find out he is the current associate professor

of English at Washington University in St. Louis. Wow! Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, he has also been at other institutions. He's been at

North Carolina State University. He lived in New York briefly. So, yeah, you may know him from around the world, but currently, from what I can understand, he lives in St. Louis. Can I interrupt with a brief anecdote? Yesterday, Gus asked me what Missouri was, and I was like, oh, it's a state. And I have to explain what a state is because we don't live in one presently. We live in a sort of district.

I pretend that we do just for simplification with him. And I was explaining it and he was like, no. And I was like, yeah, no, I promise Missouri is like where St. Louis is. That's where mommy's from. And he was like, no, that's not it. And then I realized that he was asking me for the definition of the word misery, which I explained. And I was like, you want to make sure that you hit the emphasis pretty good, pretty good there.

I love that. He's like, that's not it. That's definitely not the word I'm talking about. Yeah. We got there. Okay, Eduardo Corral, in his bio consistently across different platforms and books, he kind of introduces himself as the son of Mexican immigrants, which is something that comes into play with a lot of his poetry. his first book Slow Lightning won the Yale series

of Younger Poets Competition that is kind of kind of the biggest prize you can win for like a first book of poems. It's been around for a very long time and that book came out in 2012 and then in 2020

he released a second book of poetry called guillotine and I wanted to read one of his poems from that book. And the poem is called Autobiography of My Hungers. His beard, an avalanche of honey, an avalanche of thorns. In a bar too close to the Pacific, he said, I don't love you, but not because I couldn't be attracted to you.

Liar. Even my soul is pot-bellied. Thinness in my mind equals the gay men on the nightly news. Kissed by death and public scorn. The anchorman declaring, Weight loss is one of the first symptoms. The Portuguese have a word for imaginary, never to be experienced love. Whoopty do.

I don't love you, he said. The words flung him back in his eyes. I saw it. To another bar where a woman sidestepped his desire, another hunger. Our friendship, in 10th grade, weeks after my first kiss, my mother said, you're looking thinner. That evening, I smuggled a cake into my room. I ate it with my hands, licked buttercream off my thumbs until I puked. Desire with no future, bitter longing, I starve myself by yearning for intimacy that doesn't and won't exist.

Holding hands on a ferry, tracing with the tip of my tongue a jawline in a bar too close to the Pacific, he said, I don't love you, but not because I couldn't be attracted to you. His beard, an avalanche of thorns, an avalanche of honey. God damn. Isn't that lovely? That's, I don't know if lovely is that, I mean, extraordinarily evocative. Just like especially vulnerable. Yeah, hugely, hugely vulnerable. And, like, beautiful in kind of the way.

that he communicates. That was really good. That was really, really good. I don't have like a good brain for figuring out what sort of poetic language is about sometimes. And that one felt really accessible.

And I was like, you would be going through a line and I'd be like, wait a minute, what did that mean? And as I was working through it, he'd come at you with like a whole other, like a whole other metaphor. That was crazy.

What was that poem called? Autobiography of my home. Hungers? Yes. I remembered it. Yes. So this was a poem, I believe, that he wrote based on his experience in living in New York City in 2012. Oh, so this poem might be, well, he may have written it recently about his experience living there in 2012. But he talks a little bit about his experience there. And in this interview I read, with shares, the interviewer asked, and now you are making art in New York City, which is a new place for you. How have you taken the poetry community here and in particular the gay poetry community

of which you are also a part? And he said, beauty is on my mind these days. The queer poetry community in New York City is full of beautiful people, which makes me an outsider. I'm not beautiful. I'm overweight. I'm unfashionable. I live in the wrong neighborhood.

But let me add, I'm happy. I love myself. I love my life in New York City. And then he just, goes on to talk about how he doesn't really feel community, you know, with like his gay peers in the area and talks about how one person told him, quote, you don't look like the rest of us. But he said, I'm not going to let narrow minds ruin my time in the city. I will continue to show up at readings at poetry events.

I'm here. I'm queer. I'm big. Get used to it. That's incredible. Yeah. His poetry, and I mentioned he writes a lot about his experience. being Mexican-American, both his parents moved here directly from Mexico.

And so there's just this line of like of vulnerability and just very kind of straightforward experience of kind of who he is and the challenges associated with that and kind of his unique voice. And even even kind of talking about just feeling kind of misfit in a lot of places. He apparently found poetry as a sophomore. more in undergrad in Arizona. It wasn't anything that he was planning on pursuing, but he took a Chicano literature course,

and then his instructor was very encouraging and kind of introduced him to more poetry and poets. And then he went to the graduate program, the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I talk about a lot. Yeah, right. It's like an MFA program that everybody tries to get into because it's like the most revered. and how he didn't feel encouraged at all,

like how it was a completely opposite experience for him, that he felt very alienated, that it just did not feel like a safe, supportive environment for him. And so it's just kind of nice, I think, you know, to hear from somebody who is kind of open about their kind of difficulty fitting in to the world, but then kind of doing it in a way that includes, you know like you feel um like he is inviting you to kind of learn more about him and and kind of

be close to him in a way that is really lovely considering that he has felt you know kind of different it's so effective poems i i have learned a lot i feel like just through doing the show with you and have kind of realized that uh listening to you reading a poem which i imagine via the transitive property, if I just read a poem one of these days, like in a book or whatever, the sort of poetic, like, traditional poem mechanisms, the way that you write a poem, both like the rhyming nature of it, but also the imagery and everything, I feel like forces you to think about a thing with a less analytical mind, like with a less kind of puzzle-solvey sort of brain space, and that makes it a lot easier to really vibe with the author and what they are saying.

Yeah. And I think that when that is sort of used to kind of get across a life experience that is so far removed from my own, it's really transportive. It's really incredible. What was the poet's name again? Eduardo Corral. Cool. He talks a lot about writing about his experience and kind of the challenge associated with that. There's an interview in Bomb Magazine in 2013.

And he talks about how difficult it is to write about your personal experience because he said, quote, I forced the language to tell the truth to stick with what I knew, which is a terrible terrible way to tackle poetry because it leaves a great element out, the imagination, the music, and it forces language to do something instead of listening to it, which I found really lovely, because I think a lot of times you recognize there isn't an experience in your life that is particularly poetic, and then you get so caught up in, like, capturing it exactly as it was, that you've made this huge constraint for yourself of like, well, what about, like, a beautiful way to say something that is fun to read as a reader instead of like, I want the reader to know exactly

would happen the way it happened. Yeah, sure. And so, like, in that poem that I read, the autobiography of my hunger is, like, you can tell, he's focused on, like, a very specific moment, and he's truthful to that. But then he kind of lets the poem do what it needs to do. Yeah. I love that. That was really good. Yeah. Can I steal you away, though? Yes. Thanks. I would like to talk about music. A music guy. Okay. Welcome to the music guy corner. Welcome to the Music Guy Corner. Plug in, fucking tune out, jam off. I want to talk about Cameron Winter, who of all places I've found Cameron Winter through grabbing tracks for fuser for my fuser sets through I would say his music is not the most sort of obvious choice to mix into a DJ set.

Yeah, not like a dance party kind of jam. Not at all a dance party jam, I will say. but I'm really glad that I found it because it's it's really been on my mind a lot in the what like two months or so since since those Max Fun Drive streams back back in April. He is the frontman of an indie rock band called Geese, which I had heard of but had never really listened to before. They formed in Brooklyn in 2016 and then he started to release his own sort of solo music very recently.

The songs I'm going to talk about today are from his only album is debut solo album, which came out in 2024, which is called Heavy Metal. But Cameron Winter has a voice that I really just have been thinking a lot about lately, and that far more sort of adept, like, music critics have written at length about his voice. I think it kind of defies descriptions, so I'm not really going to try to do that right here. I'm just going to start by playing his biggest song, just to give folks listening now a sample of his voice. It is the lead single off of heavy metal. It's my favorite song of his.

It's called Love Takes Miles. I wanted to read a quote from a writer at Rolling Stone named John Dolan about Cameron Winter's voice said he can hoist his voice into a tom. Yorkian falsetto, put on a posh pout a la Julian Casablanca or Ian McCallick from Echo and the Bunnyman or laps into a stentorian yop that brings to mind Markey Smith of the Fall or Arctic Monkeys Alex Turner. It really, like, I can think of a lot of, like, male vocalists who have a great deal of, like, range, like a Nate Ruse from Fun or the format. But there's just kind of an insane versatility. to Cameron Winter's voice that is unlike sort of anything I've ever heard.

It reminds me almost like how Regina Spector in the span of like one song will like hit you with like a lot of different kind of tones and registers and like textures. I feel like this dude is really, really, really good at moving through all of those. And he really showcases his voice with some really evocative lyrics. He credits like beat generation poets for like informing the lyrical style of this album. And also like just from a musical level, he cites Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan as sort of just general influences for his solo work. And the result is just like it is not a, I mentioned Fuser at the top because it is not like catchy stuff. I don't feel like it is not.

I imagine being at a concert singing along to these songs would be kind of difficult because they are very kind of, I don't know, sort of loose. They don't follow like really super duper traditional kind of song structures. There is this, I would say, like incredible legacy of somewhat sad warbly crooners that he kind of slots into, like your Tom's waits, your lose reads. You know what it was making me think of a little bit was Neil Young? Neil Young, yeah, for sure. I could hear that. Yeah, absolutely. Especially like late stage Neil Young.

That's not really how I should put that. But like all of these artists that we are like describing are older acts for the most part. And this dude's 24 years old. Yeah. That's crazy to me that he is able to sort of conjure that up out of, I don't know. I whenever I hear a voice like that I just assume whenever I hear Tom Waits saying I'm like wow This guy's been through some shit I don't know maybe I'm sure Cameron Winter has his own sort of life experience

But 24 it's just kind of surprising He was born in Brooklyn in 2002 he was super into ice hockey and apparently was like Going to pursue that at first but he had sort of ongoing concussion Issues that made him have to quit playing ice hockey so he Turned his attention to music instead. He formed Geese in 2016 with some high school friends. Just doing some quick back of the napkin. Matthews was 14 years old. Oh my God. When he started this band that is still out there performing today. Him and the members of Geese like blew off college. They got signed by partisan

records in 2020. And they continue to make music. Geese didn't like break up as he went off to do his own solo stuff. They put out an album last year called Getting Killed. That is apparently really good. I have not listened to much geese because they didn't have songs on the fuser. Set list for that I could find. And there's no way to find music otherwise. There is no way to find music except for pulling stems for a long defunct harmonics rhythm game. Geese and Cameron Winter have both received like tons of acclaim. They are very much like, I don't know, the indie darling's indie darling.

like they are they have been sort of chart topping the like best album uh this album heavy metal was on like consequence paste pitchfork rolling stone like a bunch of other like best albums of 2025 list um a lot of other sort of musical artists in the space are obsessed with cameron winter just for the sort of unique nature of his voice in the music that he makes i think you've got to be in a certain kind of mood to dig on this music. I think Love Takes Miles is probably the closest thing to like a toe-tapping crowd pleaser on the album. And it does have like a pretty upbeat kind of fun chorus.

It has like a cheers-esque vibe that I do kind of dig. But the rest of the album is a bit more somber, I will say, but like super duper soulful. I want to play another track off that album that I really like called Nowska. Love will be revealed, which my brain I thought was about the Studio Jibli movie, but Nouska is also a character from The Odyssey, which I didn't know. Oh, yeah, honestly me neither. Okay, good. I just needed to check on that because it made me feel very uncultured. I mean, that Christopher Nolan film is going to come out and then everybody's going to know everything.

Everybody's going to know a lot of stuff about The Odyssey. That's true. Anyway, this song's called Nausca. Love will be revealed. It's just really just soulful and rich and good. I do you want to say that apparently there are very plugged into the space have probably read stories that have come out this year about how Cameron Winter and Geese allegedly used a digital marketing firm to like artificially inflate

their fan base and growth, which I learned about while I was, while I was learning about this. I want to say this is not that. We are not, this is not, we have not been contacted by some PR firm to do that. I just, unless he's quince. Is he maybe quince? He might be, or a frames. No, I just, I, I, I don't know, I don't know about all that. I just fucking dig. Yeah. I just dig this music. Love tape miles.

I don't know. I've been listening to in the car a lot. I just been listening to it a bunch. I think it's really, really good. And I think, you know, 24 years old is just kind of,

just kind of getting started, which is real exciting. Artists that are like that original, it's like you almost picture them living their whole life in a bunker with like a record player with like seven records. Yeah.

And then just not knowing anything else, they're just making stuff that appeals to them, not at all, like, based on what is, what is popular or current. Yeah. Like, it just, it feels so remarkable in its uniqueness. Yeah. And that seems really hard to do. Yeah, I don't, I can't imagine how, how one does it.

But, um, anyway, that's Cameron Winter. Do you want to know what our folks at home are talking about? Yes. Anna says, my small wonder is a desktop mug warmer. There's nothing worse than forgetting about a hot beverage and coming back to find it is now cold. So having this tiny hot plate on my desk. to keep my coffee or tea warm indefinitely is a lifesaver and has saved me many a trips to the microwave. This is a thing that I always see advertisements for like around like holiday time or like, you know,

Father's Day that's like, hey, get one of these. And I'm like, this is lukewarm. Can I be able to this? This is not good right now. It's like how often would I really use that? But I think probably every day. I put creamer in the coffee. And so like immediately I am fucking around with.

like the temperature of the of the of the thing i i it's not a big deal to me i just don't want to drink lukewarm coffee because it's kind of gross i think i would enjoy it but also my desk has so much shit on it already yeah the thought of having a hot plate that i would definitely like set a fucking game boy down or something at some point and like burn our house down i don't know if i'd say the other day not to put you on blast oh the other day griffin came down maybe it was earlier today with like seven mugs that had collected on his desk. Man, that was a, yeah. I feel like you can chart kind of, um.

The kind of week you've had. Well, yeah, I think that's a soft way of putting it. Like what kind of sort of wear on the depressive sign wave I'm currently kind of writing based on how many mugs I gather on my desk. And this was a six mugger. This was a bad. This was a rough one. Again, our son is being.

so mean to us. No, it's not his, it's not his fault. It's genetics, I guess. China says, I don't think we talk enough about what an amazing innovation the did you forget to attach something prompt is for email. I know for a fact, I'm not the only person who's typed up a really professional sounding email in which I have with so much hubris said, I've attached, only to completely forget my commitment by the end of the email and hit send and then have to send a follow-up email going, and here is the attachment. Yes. Now my good friend Outlook says,

you're about to do that thing again. Would you like to reconsider your actions? I was so grateful that I attached my file, sent my email, and immediately wrote you about it. Happy Wednesday. Folks, this is the shit. Yeah.

Wonderful podcast at gmail.com. This is the shit. This is it. This is the shit. When you think about it and you feel it, let us know. This is really good stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. I believe in this so strongly that sometimes I will have never attended to include an attachment. I will just say like, I will reference something maybe later in the email. Yeah. And my email platform will be like, did you forget?

And I'm like, thank you. Did I? No, but I appreciate it. I don't know that Gmail's ever got me like that. Oh, no? I don't know. I can't remember if Gmail does it. I know Outlook does.

I send maybe two emails a month. I am not a big sort of email guy. No. So my opportunities to fuck this up are limited. But I do still do. but I do still make a mess of this thing. Thank you so much for listening to our show. Thank you so much to Bowen and Augustus for the music for a theme song, money won't pay.

Find a link to that in the episode description. And thank you to Maximum Fun for having us on the network. Go to Maximumfund.org. Check out all the great shows that they've got going on over there. We've got some merch over at Macroymerch.com. You're going to be amazing shirt designed by Sabrina Volante. There is 20 make it stick, like sticky notes, which are, truly darling. And 10% of all of our merch proceeds this month will be donated to Lambda Legal,

which is a national organization working to achieve full recognition of the civil rights of LGBTQ plus people and everyone living with HIV through impact litigation, education, and public policy work. Also, the last book in the Adventure Zone graphic novel series called Story and Song, which also includes the stolen century. It's sort of like a double book. You can pre-order that right now, it comes out in like a month or so. It's very, very soon. If you go to theadventurezonecom you can pre-order it. There are a couple of like different retailers doing like special editions. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million both have like exclusive editions available. Barnes and Noble includes four collectible trading cards. Books a million includes a collectible poster.

Also, when this comes out, I think we will have just announced that we are doing a book party in Boston on July 18th or sorry July 16th at the Chevalier Theater. Tickets for that go on sale this Thursday, June 11th. Each ticket includes a signed paperback copy of story and song provided by Brookline Booksmith and we're going to be there and doing a bunch of stuff to celebrate the release of this last book. I finally have been reading it. I finally got over my fear of reading it and I'm so it's been so uh oh man very uh deeply deeply deeply deeply emotionally affecting uh to a degree that I was not really anticipating it's very sweet at night to look over and see a Griffin reading this and to like you know think about how cool that must be to have that it is pretty cool it's pretty cool

it's pretty cool anyway that's it for the show thank you so much for listening um and we'll be back with another one next week so um stay tuned and keep it real, keep it real nasty and don't keep it real nasty. Be good to each other and to yourself. Good night and good luck. What is it? Is the be good to each other and yourself?

Is that Dr. Phil? Let's take his shit. I don't think it's Dr. Phil. We should do Dr. Phil's shit and just do it. I don't think it's Dr. Phil. We're coming for you, Dr. Phil. your whole game. Dr. Oz, you're next.

Are you Googling what does Dr. Phil say? I'm Googling, be good to each other. And yourself? It may be nothing. Oh, is it and yourself at the end? Is that 100%? I don't know. That feels like what he would,

that feels like, you know, his flair. None of this has to be in the episode. It does because we're doing it and we're recording it. Hmm. I can't find it. I mean, I'm not typing. This is an original, this is an original cool outro for wonderful. Be good to yourself and to it.

I just lost it. Now you're just looking at pictures of Dr. Phil. I keep getting Be Excellent to each other from Bell and Ted's. That's a different thing. Bye, everybody. Maximum Fun. A Worker Own Network of Artist-owned shows. Supported directly by you.